Between East and West: The Rus' in Arabic Sources

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  • @kkupsky6321
    @kkupsky6321 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    This is why my wife hates my funeral plans…

    • @dasarath5779
      @dasarath5779 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you dont want a slave tortured and sacrificed in your honour? damn... weirdo....

    • @mueezadam8438
      @mueezadam8438 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dasarath5779”uhh throw literal dirt over my body and mark it with a rock so that my enemies have a target to piss on”

    • @dasarath5779
      @dasarath5779 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mueezadam8438 so trve!
      idk why my og comment is gone btw

  • @rebralhunter6069
    @rebralhunter6069 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Another Baltic empire vid let's fucking gooooo

  • @britzkrieg1939
    @britzkrieg1939 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    i find topics like this so interesting! keep it up!

    • @Ghiyath981
      @Ghiyath981 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Learn some real history and not modern cliché bs.

  • @Historian212
    @Historian212 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The Baltic peoples also traded in amber. There was actually an Amber Road, roughly a series of north-south routes through Europe.

    • @balticempire7244
      @balticempire7244  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I have a video on it

    • @DataBeingCollected
      @DataBeingCollected 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@balticempire7244 Have you done any content on the palace complex at Qatna Syria, 2nd Millenium BCE? Ebla texts referred to the place as “Gudadanum”, and it was famous for the baltic amber that ended up there.

  • @blugaledoh2669
    @blugaledoh2669 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The idea of a Scandinavian Vikings khanate is so cool.

  • @kniter
    @kniter 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Should be noted that the word Fadlan used was not the arabic word for "tattood", but that they were marked/painted.

  • @bestestindaworld
    @bestestindaworld 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    In museums in nordics countries there are countless arabic silver coins, there was trade but not raids with the Arabs.

  • @andrejmucic5003
    @andrejmucic5003 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Urus is a common name in Serbia, and we love to fight among ourselves.

  • @joshoconnor6684
    @joshoconnor6684 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    That was a pretty intense funeral ritual.

    • @weyjosh5213
      @weyjosh5213 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      super fcked up

    • @some1350
      @some1350 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was probably lying about some of it.

    • @metanoian965
      @metanoian965 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@some1350 he was probably not even he.
      like that monk, Nestor, maybe had contributors
      to that mystery history

    • @aleccope1320
      @aleccope1320 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@some1350 he wasnt ive read the same passage and it was verbatim

    • @some1350
      @some1350 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@aleccope1320 I don't mean the guy making the video, I mean the arab man watching the funeral.

  • @mnk9073
    @mnk9073 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    It's probably fair to say the Rus were an amalgamation of all the people present in the area. Different cultures blending into eachother over decades and centuries, Skandinavians, Balts, Cumans and Tatars

    • @bestestindaworld
      @bestestindaworld 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Swedes

    • @shaunmathis2474
      @shaunmathis2474 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Scythians

    • @AlexKomnenos
      @AlexKomnenos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Scythians were long gone before the Rus came

    • @asmirann3636
      @asmirann3636 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@bestestindaworld There were no Swedes that time.

    • @bestestindaworld
      @bestestindaworld 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@asmirann3636 yes there were you ignorant fool, they were called Geats before being called Swedes.

  • @BrianLevine-q7e
    @BrianLevine-q7e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    My mother's parents were from Sweden. Morfar told me stories about our ancestors. "Rus" meant "red beards" and "rowers". Swedish Vikings went East through the Baltic into the river systems. "Belarus" and "Russia" became places they settled in. They continued their travels. They got to the Black Sea and the Middle East.

    • @SacredDreamer
      @SacredDreamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤔 the red haired are Thracian (origin) Sythian,, well known world wide as Mercenaries ..
      ..
      From the region (originally) close to Istanbul.

    • @somefuckstolemynick
      @somefuckstolemynick 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It just meant "rowers". The Finnish name for us Swedes (Routsi) has the same origin.

    • @Based_Stuhlinger
      @Based_Stuhlinger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@SacredDreamer Red hair comes from both Northwestern Europe and Asia.

    • @WILD__THINGS
      @WILD__THINGS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Based_StuhlingerWhere in Asia?

    • @Based_Stuhlinger
      @Based_Stuhlinger 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WILD__THINGS Central asia I believe, that's where the gene originated from.

  • @RoyalBaconist
    @RoyalBaconist 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another excellent video! I appreciate the Rus warrior illustration that you made for this video.

  • @VelvetDragonWitch
    @VelvetDragonWitch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Started nodding off which I rarely do with these videos until I realized you hypnotized me with Jeremy Soule.

  • @dustybricks113
    @dustybricks113 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have always asked for a viking funeral, but please leave the animals and the slave girl out of it unless you want me to haunt you. Besides that, sounds absolutely perfect.😅😊

  • @JaMeshuggah
    @JaMeshuggah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    6:56 we've all been there right guys??

  • @tdoran616
    @tdoran616 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing video as always

  • @unknowntrooper_2791
    @unknowntrooper_2791 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An interesting video once more. Cheers!

  • @64fairlane305
    @64fairlane305 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    RUSSIAN
    The name of the Slavs, Greeks and Arabs for the Swedish Vikings who founded Gardarike or Russia. The word ruser comes from rodhr, leidang fleet (especially such a fleet from Roden, i.e. Roslagen), and contains a syndetic s (cf. words such as "councillor", "Council"). The Finns called the Russians ruotsi. It is likely that the Russians established themselves on the Russian Baltic Sea coast already before Rurik's time, probably in the first half of the 8th century. Ruser chieftains besides Rurik were until the year 882 AD. Askvold and Dir in Kiev as well as in the 9th century Rogvolod in Polotsk near Dyna. After them, Gardarike's three provinces were built: Novgorod, Polotsk and Kiev. The name ruser still lived on into the 11th century.

    • @imperskiikulak446
      @imperskiikulak446 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Я из России,и вроде Финны не называют Русских-Руотси,они вроде называют Русских-Венама-Венеты.Но на счет присутствия скандинавов на севере России в древности,то скорее всего это правда,даже сегодня у некоторых северных Русских чаще встречается скандинавская ДНК.Так же я считаю что Варяги не были чисто скандинавами,я думаю они состояли из разных народов.

    • @fedorevdokimenko3978
      @fedorevdokimenko3978 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@imperskiikulak446 Да это он просто шведскую ультра-националистическую версию рассказывает, которой их там активно кормят. На самом же деле в Повести Временных лет Новгородской редакции в описании призвания варягов сказано, что Русы были такие же варяги как даны, англы, свеи(шведы) и др. Т.е. очевидно, что Русы шведами не были. ДНК рюриковичей указывает на то, что Русов надо искать скорее среди финно-угорских народностей. Само название Русь очевидно тоже является финно-угорским, как Чудь, Весь, Жмудь и т.п.

  • @jam1087
    @jam1087 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Such a fascinating topic. The mightiest Slav nation and were it's princes Germanic? Were Catherine the Great and Paul III the status quo

  • @omar0bin0thabit
    @omar0bin0thabit 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Thanks for the wonderful content 🙏 but let me point at a little Correction based on Ibn Fadlan resalah manuscript, which I have a copy in my hands that I can read from he says: they were "Blonde (hair) and Reddish (skin)"..
    Just an opinion: to my understanding and research the Arabs meant by the Rus is what we consider today as Vikings whether those who attacked Andalusia (Al Yaaqobi) in the west or those in the East all were Rus to the Arabs, like all European were Saqāliba even the Franks, the German and the Rus were Saqāliba. the Arabs didn't know the term Slavs they knew other distinctive ethnic groups like Wisu maybe they are the Finno-Baltic Vesps and other further West or to the North from Wisu the people Yura (probably from meaning the people of the Sea in baltic language).
    Can you please point out to me who said in the Arabic sources that the Rus were Turks?

    • @ZS-rw4qq
      @ZS-rw4qq 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would assume that Saqaliba were actually Slavs, just by how similar it sounds

  • @GAIVSCALIGVLA
    @GAIVSCALIGVLA 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    No Wojaks, literally unwatchable…
    But actually this was a good video, nice work.

  • @rahieitee
    @rahieitee 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    got interested about the picture at 3:00. Would love to know the source for further looking into

    • @dasarath5779
      @dasarath5779 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      does reverse image search bring anything up? looks vageuly slavic. im guessing also not a historically attested tapestry

  • @agroplode9680
    @agroplode9680 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Vikings were also known as Sea Kings in the Black Sea, I forgot the spelling from the source, but translates to circa Sea Kings. irc

  • @15425rfggdfc
    @15425rfggdfc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My ancestors were Balts from Galidia came to Russia in the 11th century (as a deep historical DNA analysis established), as mercenaries to the Ryazan prince, to help conquer and subjugate the lands inhabited by Ugric Finns and collect tribute from them. There they stayed, marrying Slavic and Ugro-Finnish women and even got Ugro-Finnish nicknames.

  • @dasarath5779
    @dasarath5779 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    very well done. ive commented similliar stuff on your other videos but as an estonian im fascinated by the evidence for finnic participation in rus' culture and state. do you have any good sources on this topic?

  • @GeezSpeaker
    @GeezSpeaker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Rus in Eritrean Tigrinya means Rice 🍚

  • @numenoreaneternity6682
    @numenoreaneternity6682 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One thing needs to be stressed, Ibn Khordadbeh's account of the "Slavic origin" of the Rus' isn't that important because of the date of the said account, but because he specifies their affiliation based on ethnic origin, whereas Ibn Fadlan specifies their affiliation based on shared profession (he denotes the Bulgars as "Rus" too because of war profiteering and human trafficking), not to mention that his "description" of the "Varangian's leader's ship burial" is an irrefutable proof that the man/men in question weren't Rus/Rurikids because not a single Rurikid, both pagan and Christian, was laid to rest in a ship burial.

  • @neelektronik
    @neelektronik 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In a historical video it's incorrect to use paintings of Hyperborea by Vsevolod Ivanov (19:25, 19:44), they are pure fantasy. Still a great video though

    • @zachofthebattery2864
      @zachofthebattery2864 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      bro its just a way of communicating the ideas hes talking about. It's not a museum display or anything it doesn't have to be a hundred percent accurate, not that that's even a thing that can exist considering how little we actually know.

    • @JaMeshuggah
      @JaMeshuggah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ackshually it's completely 1:1 with reality

    • @msflyth
      @msflyth 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Looks like someone wasn’t allowed in.

    • @blyysm
      @blyysm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The primacy of 'fantasy' over the so-called reality (no such thing, consult the contemporary science) was the cardinal point of the ancient Viking mystical doctrine.

  • @jcr1029
    @jcr1029 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So would that be the Wends?

  • @Sashawott9009
    @Sashawott9009 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    So wait, did Scandinavian Odinists kill a slave girl at a Noble's funeral, or was that just the Rus?

    • @dasarath5779
      @dasarath5779 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      current archeological evidence doesnt neccessarily prove the slave girl sacrifice among the scandinavians. it was def practices by the rus considering the literary evidence

    • @stehfreejesseah7893
      @stehfreejesseah7893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ⁠@@dasarath5779Ya but the literary evidence is unreliable. Ibn Battu traveled in the 1300’s that would be way later then the Viking era. Plus authors of the time added much to make a good story. Kinda like Marco Polo.

    • @cuzimmoody6470
      @cuzimmoody6470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@stehfreejesseah7893 it was ibn fadlan who wrote about the funeral that was in the 9th century and not Ibn Battuta

    • @stehfreejesseah7893
      @stehfreejesseah7893 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cuzimmoody6470 You’re right! I confused them.

  • @veronicalogotheti1162
    @veronicalogotheti1162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    They were scandinavians
    You read the greeks that went there
    Wrote the same

  • @MarcusAgrippa390
    @MarcusAgrippa390 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm kinda glad we don't do that anymore...
    Ships are expensive nowadays

    • @dustybricks113
      @dustybricks113 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Small funeral boats would be an awesome business and also great for the environment. 😊 If done correctly, the sunken half burned boats would sink in an area helping form a habitat for fish like the many tribes of the American northwest.

    • @dannydetonator
      @dannydetonator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, we could only afford a replica viking miniboat for my friend's funeral. Deperted from Riga and went trough the delta of Daugava to scatter the ashes in Baltic sea as he wanted. At night, so burned only the flames, not the boat. Magic and not too sad.

    • @funnygaming2672
      @funnygaming2672 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      well back in the day we did not have to pay for wood you just kinda cut down a tree and make your own boat ...

  • @Tidericus1350
    @Tidericus1350 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    👑 👑
    👑

  • @trueKENTUCKY
    @trueKENTUCKY 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vikings actually got to spain via river from rus to med

  • @schmiddy1473
    @schmiddy1473 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Waaaait wait wait. I’ve watched this channel and the pirate channel for ages, I’ve just realised… are you the same guy??

  • @okancanarslan3730
    @okancanarslan3730 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice documentary

  • @GhostGreen-b6m
    @GhostGreen-b6m 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The russ sound like modern day crust punk train hoppers 😆. My old punk train hopping friends had similar customs when it cames to sex,hygiene and travel.

    • @ethanbard3067
      @ethanbard3067 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah big on the “sexual” customs for train kids. A lot of rape

  • @andrejmucic5003
    @andrejmucic5003 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The first Serbian state was called Rashka ? Any etymological connection?

  • @tadficuscactus
    @tadficuscactus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is there anywhere the Vikings didn't go?

    • @herrdrizzt9547
      @herrdrizzt9547 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mars probably

    • @OptimisticOstrich-sd9nt
      @OptimisticOstrich-sd9nt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where the fuck they came in India,southeast Asia,Africa lol

  • @chrisnewbury3793
    @chrisnewbury3793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I know that music 😉

  • @veronicalogotheti1162
    @veronicalogotheti1162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They were taking from all over

  • @viktormogilin307
    @viktormogilin307 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A Viking we will go is an act not a ethnicity 🍻

    • @d.t.bigley7254
      @d.t.bigley7254 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct, but an act by Nordic peoples. They merely created the spark that help shape the direction of regional Empires. Archaeological, historical, and genetic research proves this. I am descendant from Swedish Rus ancestry, and I have very, very little Slavic genetics in me. They founded a ruling class through loosely connected Kingdoms that were but an early part of the local history in eastern Europe. As with many Viking invasions, the invaders integrated into their new regions, often adopting local religion (later becoming Christian, but had some hold outs), language and identity, much like the Normans and Viking splinters across Britain. You can argue what Nordic means, but their origins were the Kingdom of Sweden of the 9th century.

    • @viktormogilin307
      @viktormogilin307 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@d.t.bigley7254 A modern romance of mythology 🙈😂🍻
      Бред сївої кобили,
      Toi na noi da perkele da satana, valhalla, everyone should do a dna test, where did the so called vikings come from? The original inhabitants were dark skinned, dark hair & dark eyes, apparently common ancestor (singular) blue eyed mutation 10K years ago, most common eye colour is brown,
      After a dna test I changed my view on a few things, there is only one human race, a language can change in one generation, one cannot change one’s DNA, who one identifies as & what DNA makeup they are can be very different, countries, nationalities, governments, ethnicity, languages & dialects are all quite modern terms, the further one travelled from their place of birth the more the language & diet, climatic conditions change, migrations, natural calamities, diseases, etc., a lot can change in one generation let alone 1K or 10K years, too many variables, otherwise entertaining for healthy dialogue 🧐😎🍻

  • @jacquespictet5363
    @jacquespictet5363 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting. A complex multicultural multiethnic culture is more difficult to understand than other ones.

  • @VeritasIncrebresco
    @VeritasIncrebresco 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Skyrim for the Nords!

  • @basilbrushbooshieboosh5302
    @basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If the Rus were proximate to Kiev, from before the Norse had expeditioned that far East, could they have possibly been of Pecheneg origin?

    • @CA-jz9bm
      @CA-jz9bm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      According to mytrueancestory most East Slavs today get 2-3 Viking ancestors. 0 Turkic. Unless they have close Turkic family members.

  • @stehfreejesseah7893
    @stehfreejesseah7893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So If Ibn Battuta traveled in the 1300’s wouldn’t that be way after the hight of the Viking era. Like 300 years late for that story?

    • @tylerdordon99
      @tylerdordon99 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's Ibn Fadhlan. Ibn Battouta didn't travel to nothern europe.

  • @georgepapatheofilou6118
    @georgepapatheofilou6118 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Evolution of Scythian and Amazon. Gog and Magog ? Is Turk a tongue or lifestyle. Anyhow I've come to accept the fact my relatives and neighbours became turks . To the Varangian mixed salad of mankind , your legacy lives on and as for me , Kyrie Eleison Me and thank you for everything.
    Blessings to all and sundry for the year ahead

  • @flemmingjensen4060
    @flemmingjensen4060 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why hang on a word, they where childs of the baltic sea no genic

  • @dakapo8985
    @dakapo8985 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You say Finns at the start. But you have no sources indicating that ethno or finno culture was apart of this at large. Individual anacdotes does not count as Finno made 0 impact ethnically. Explain yourself please.

  • @adamradziwill
    @adamradziwill 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    for you who didn't get it yet, The Rus' is not "russia" (Muscovy )

    • @CA-jz9bm
      @CA-jz9bm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Russian state is 500 years old but Rus are literally among ancestors of the Russians tho. Rus history is Russian history.

    • @Trump2024asw
      @Trump2024asw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@CA-jz9bmrus history is a part of Russian history yes but Russian history is not a part of Rus except there interactions.

    • @CA-jz9bm
      @CA-jz9bm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Trump2024asw literally ancestors of Russians are Rus. What are you talking about? We even have tons TONS of genetic evidence of it on mytruenacestry (site that compares modern dna to ancient) for example

    • @willbass2869
      @willbass2869 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Triggered reaction....no doubt

    • @bennygohome4576
      @bennygohome4576 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Strange hohol cope

  • @nicholaswoollhead6830
    @nicholaswoollhead6830 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    !!!!!!!!!!!

  • @veronicalogotheti1162
    @veronicalogotheti1162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The aliance was with the huns of east

  • @krono5el
    @krono5el 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    through out these last 2000 years we know from all the history books who the "merchants" are.

  • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
    @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They sold a lot of slaves to the Arabs. Maybe some of my Irish ancestors

    • @funnygaming2672
      @funnygaming2672 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      why are you living in an arab country ...if not yours where not sell not your direct familly anyway

    • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
      @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@funnygaming2672 I`m not i live in Australia mate. I would never choose to live in a arab country. That`s my point some Irish were slaved there by vikings

    • @mueezadam8438
      @mueezadam8438 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@waynemcauliffe-fv5yfIreland has endured so much, very stalwart peoples

    • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
      @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mueezadam8438 True mate. Tough people

  • @tojamatokanava7778
    @tojamatokanava7778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Baltic Empire The name Rus and Russian come from the name of the deutsche province of Preußen.The Britons “COULD NOT” pronounce the name Preußen and therefore began to call the province Prussia.in order to know the past you don’t need to be a genius, it’s enough to be a decent person.stop falsifying the past

    • @Diversus100
      @Diversus100 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What the hell, Prussia is baltic not germanic

    • @tojamatokanava7778
      @tojamatokanava7778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Diversus100 Sleep well and don't get a hangover

    • @d.t.bigley7254
      @d.t.bigley7254 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Russian history is greatly flawed and ignores archaeological, historical, and genetic research in favor of pro-Russian creationism. Rus existed a few hundred years prior to the formation of Russia, but is keenly part of it's history.

  • @OriginalFallofMind
    @OriginalFallofMind 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    False

  • @Terrence-i8l
    @Terrence-i8l 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pot stirring still