My guess regarding Harsetti's win rate is that people who don't pre-ban her have the right characters built who don't care about her passive. People who cleave all the time who don't have the right characters we'll just preban her. It puts her in a weird spot where the players she's best against will always just preban her and the players she's probably worst against well let her through. It almost encourages you not to draft her if she's not prebanned.
I’m interested in hearing from those that played individually. I heavily enjoyed this season more because there was a small community trying to end emperor together. The comradierie was nice, but I wonder how much less I would like it if I didn’t have people to talk ideas with.
If we don't play RTA do we still keep our highest profile card frame? I'd really like to not play RTA next season. Preseason was not what I'd hoped it would be.
I've been playing Epic Seven for 4 years (since the beginning of the pandemic), and I feel like RTA is the least relevant mode for me. Characters like Flan, Harsetti, Luna, and Ilynav make the meta very inflexible, and the game becomes boring. That said, I think the game could benefit from a few changes: - A temporary general ban system for RTA (banning two or more characters for a week based on voting). - A shop with good items (like slates and Bottles of Knowledge) to encourage more players. Other ideas: - An RTA mode that only allows four-star characters or below. - Smilegate could stop releasing absurdly overpowered characters. It's fine for some characters to be better than others, but lately, the situation has been ridiculous. I intend to send a ticket to Smilegate about this, but I believe it would have little impact. It's sad to see the game I love in this state... Anyway, thanks for the video, Tsu!
Didn't like this season because of 3f and as a turn 2 player I have all the non turn 2 busted units of this year. Also ML Lua is only broken because of 3rd pick ban protection. It just her kit makes is just a DDR (no venom) + 2.5x the tempo. So you counter her like you would DDR besides sharun and DDR's silver bullet. She has unique silver bullet in bride on the enemy on third. Cause if ml lua ever s3 and the enemy team can hit the ml senya's backline and ml lua's team dont have illynav. ML Senya basically get to do a free bride s3.
Well on the positive side for me since I hate ban protect with every single fiber of my being: don't have to worry about pulling for the stupid meta slop that they continuously push through ML banner now and can just hoard mystics and GBM forever. Also Harsetti is only a problem as far as RTA is concerned due to ban protect, get rid of ban protect and she isn't really a problem anymore.
no wonder you hate it since you're stuck in low ranks,just ask and imma give you tips,biased or not biased,you're wrong if you think ban protect is bad.
So essentially what I got from the ban protection comments is that it's equivalent to training wheels for RTA. At a certain rank those wheels need to come off. While ban protection does help counter pick heroes it's not just limited to those and it often just makes the most broken heroes in the game more broken.
For the love of all people get rid the ban protection in champion and above. You take all the skill out of the game. Please sg. Listen to your competitive players. You take the skill out of the game for us. Drafting without ban protection is a skill. I was away from the game for two whole years. My first season back was the last season before ban protection was in place. I finished rank 2037. I was missing 75% of the units that came out and all the farming I missed out in the 2 years. That’s was bc my units I had build were built well and my drafting was a lot better than other player. Ban protection at high lvl makes the game boring. Most of us at the high levels of rta have most of the roster. Even now including me. I am now missing a couple mls and colab units I will never get. Please make rta fun again. I tried to make emperor this season I just got bored playing then dumb same teams over and over again. Please stop dumbing down everything. You have some people that take this game seriously and you are driving them away. P.S until this is change is made I will not spend anymore.
Yup ban protect is nice for low champ and below but higher up it just feels like an annoying cheese draft style which many ppl complain about. I agree with that take but this looks like another awkward situation to fix for them. Since SG seems to not want too much backlash from the more casual users. At least that's what it has felt like recently which is understandable.
Dude this season was among the most miserable and the next is sure to be even worse. Ban protection sucks. Nothing sg does to pretend nerfs arent necessary has worked. The game has absolutely nothing going for it anymore. Hot and rift are just ad space for new units. The bot arena system is garbage. What's the draw here? Is it really just anime wives?
@@BigDaddyRich69 ban protection takes like 60% of the skill out of an already pretty simple game. I was never struggling in rta it's just objectively trash
As a 3p Harsetti player, I would be devastated if ban prot was removed. I love the fact ban protected Harsetti opens up an entire new playstyle. It makes some otherwise unused units semi-viable, ie 30k hp 300 cdam fire lilias on aurius or a super beefed up rgb Hwa on attack set. Players who want to play this way have to invest a massive, staggering amount of resources to build dupes of both rgb and ml units. As such I can't really sympathize with the complaints around Harsetti 3p when there are other brainless and low investment 3p comps like the aforementioned bbk cleave one who revolves around just a few units. With Harsetti there is so much more.
Random turn order is inescapable even with her out of the picture, since speed rng is built into the game. If that's your entire reason for hating on her (and good job conflating the amount of hate by using "everyone", heh), then you should hate speed contesting as well, no? Or do you hate it only when it's convenient to do so, like those times your 315 ran gets outsped by a 305 cilias but not when it's the other way around?
I agree. The game has characters that work best with certain characters. Kid senya, green unit. Spez + sleep or stun unit. Harsetti + village build etc.
Then you aren’t good enough at RTA to understand why it’s bad. A large part of the skill in RTA is in the draft phase, you have your first 4 characters and then you pick a 5th that your opponent is forced to ban otherwise that character could cause them problems. 3rd pick ban protection removes a large part of the skill in the draft phase because now you can just lock your core unit on 3 and your opponent can’t do anything about it. it used to be a choice, do I ban their core unit and let their 5th pick through? Or is my draft good enough to beat their core unit and I can safely ban the 5th pick. This is especially toxic against cleave because now cleavers can draft Luna, Frida, BBK on 3, and 2 other supports, before you could just ban BBK and you’d win because they drafted poorly with only 1 dps, but now you’re forced to play against BBK. Another shining example of why ban protection is toxic is Young Senya. A very toxic Young Senya draft has been getting a lot of traction in pre season, 2 earth units and Young Senya on 3. Earth already has plenty of strong characters so if you ban Young Senya you still have to face two strong earth heroes, but the you can’t ban her because she’s on 3, you are FORCED to let the synergy through, the game doesn’t govern you a choice. Do you see the problem yet? If not, here’s one final example. There’s a guy in RTA who drafts 4 book holders and Elvira on 3, he ropes every single one of his turns and just soul burns Elvira once she gets a turn. The match has 2 outcomes, you forfeit and give him the win, or the match times out and both of you lose. It’s a very cheesy play style and only works if the opponent doesn’t know what to expect, but the problem is that it shouldn’t work in the first place, you should be able to ban Elvira and not be forced into a 30 minute long game
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My guess regarding Harsetti's win rate is that people who don't pre-ban her have the right characters built who don't care about her passive. People who cleave all the time who don't have the right characters we'll just preban her.
It puts her in a weird spot where the players she's best against will always just preban her and the players she's probably worst against well let her through. It almost encourages you not to draft her if she's not prebanned.
I’m interested in hearing from those that played individually. I heavily enjoyed this season more because there was a small community trying to end emperor together. The comradierie was nice, but I wonder how much less I would like it if I didn’t have people to talk ideas with.
Same as always. I'd be surprised if just once any season received positive feedback
why dont they just remove 3rd pick ban prot for champion and above like they add a second ban from masters?
Yay i was waiting
If we don't play RTA do we still keep our highest profile card frame? I'd really like to not play RTA next season. Preseason was not what I'd hoped it would be.
Nope. You lose it.
I've been playing Epic Seven for 4 years (since the beginning of the pandemic), and I feel like RTA is the least relevant mode for me. Characters like Flan, Harsetti, Luna, and Ilynav make the meta very inflexible, and the game becomes boring. That said, I think the game could benefit from a few changes:
- A temporary general ban system for RTA (banning two or more characters for a week based on voting).
- A shop with good items (like slates and Bottles of Knowledge) to encourage more players.
Other ideas:
- An RTA mode that only allows four-star characters or below.
- Smilegate could stop releasing absurdly overpowered characters. It's fine for some characters to be better than others, but lately, the situation has been ridiculous.
I intend to send a ticket to Smilegate about this, but I believe it would have little impact. It's sad to see the game I love in this state...
Anyway, thanks for the video, Tsu!
Didn't like this season because of 3f and as a turn 2 player I have all the non turn 2 busted units of this year.
Also ML Lua is only broken because of 3rd pick ban protection. It just her kit makes is just a DDR (no venom) + 2.5x the tempo. So you counter her like you would DDR besides sharun and DDR's silver bullet. She has unique silver bullet in bride on the enemy on third. Cause if ml lua ever s3 and the enemy team can hit the ml senya's backline and ml lua's team dont have illynav. ML Senya basically get to do a free bride s3.
Well on the positive side for me since I hate ban protect with every single fiber of my being: don't have to worry about pulling for the stupid meta slop that they continuously push through ML banner now and can just hoard mystics and GBM forever.
Also Harsetti is only a problem as far as RTA is concerned due to ban protect, get rid of ban protect and she isn't really a problem anymore.
no wonder you hate it since you're stuck in low ranks,just ask and imma give you tips,biased or not biased,you're wrong if you think ban protect is bad.
@@BigDaddyRich69 I can smell the low IQ and low elo all over you, nice try though chief.
@@SIothapalooza your smelling senses are shit then,but hit me up and you might get out of gold/masters.
I call bs I've been playing for about 7 months now and still don't have bbk 😢
So essentially what I got from the ban protection comments is that it's equivalent to training wheels for RTA. At a certain rank those wheels need to come off. While ban protection does help counter pick heroes it's not just limited to those and it often just makes the most broken heroes in the game more broken.
For the love of all people get rid the ban protection in champion and above. You take all the skill out of the game. Please sg. Listen to your competitive players. You take the skill out of the game for us. Drafting without ban protection is a skill. I was away from the game for two whole years. My first season back was the last season before ban protection was in place. I finished rank 2037. I was missing 75% of the units that came out and all the farming I missed out in the 2 years. That’s was bc my units I had build were built well and my drafting was a lot better than other player. Ban protection at high lvl makes the game boring. Most of us at the high levels of rta have most of the roster. Even now including me. I am now missing a couple mls and colab units I will never get. Please make rta fun again. I tried to make emperor this season I just got bored playing then dumb same teams over and over again. Please stop dumbing down everything. You have some people that take this game seriously and you are driving them away.
P.S until this is change is made I will not spend anymore.
no,leave it for everyone and get gud,we in emperor/legend love it. If you need tips to get out of gold/masters hit me up.
Yup ban protect is nice for low champ and below but higher up it just feels like an annoying cheese draft style which many ppl complain about. I agree with that take but this looks like another awkward situation to fix for them. Since SG seems to not want too much backlash from the more casual users. At least that's what it has felt like recently which is understandable.
Dude this season was among the most miserable and the next is sure to be even worse. Ban protection sucks. Nothing sg does to pretend nerfs arent necessary has worked. The game has absolutely nothing going for it anymore. Hot and rift are just ad space for new units. The bot arena system is garbage. What's the draw here? Is it really just anime wives?
There's far better games that are far more generous for anime waifus than this game
Nah dude rta rn is pretty balanced since the ads eligos buff. This new season gonna be fun
Ask me for some tips if you got the time,been legend 2 seasons ago and ban protection is amazing!
@@GreaterSociety it's not but if you're having fun then god bless
@@BigDaddyRich69 ban protection takes like 60% of the skill out of an already pretty simple game. I was never struggling in rta it's just objectively trash
they didnt show fp wr sus
I'd actually have liked to see that.
As a 3p Harsetti player, I would be devastated if ban prot was removed. I love the fact ban protected Harsetti opens up an entire new playstyle. It makes some otherwise unused units semi-viable, ie 30k hp 300 cdam fire lilias on aurius or a super beefed up rgb Hwa on attack set. Players who want to play this way have to invest a massive, staggering amount of resources to build dupes of both rgb and ml units. As such I can't really sympathize with the complaints around Harsetti 3p when there are other brainless and low investment 3p comps like the aforementioned bbk cleave one who revolves around just a few units. With Harsetti there is so much more.
Sorry but I strongly disagree. Random turn order isn't strategy, you're just hoping you win by sheer luck. Everyone hates her for a reason.
Random turn order is inescapable even with her out of the picture, since speed rng is built into the game. If that's your entire reason for hating on her (and good job conflating the amount of hate by using "everyone", heh), then you should hate speed contesting as well, no? Or do you hate it only when it's convenient to do so, like those times your 315 ran gets outsped by a 305 cilias but not when it's the other way around?
Gladly ban protection stays,best thing that ever happened to rta,wish it came sooner.
I agree. The game has characters that work best with certain characters. Kid senya, green unit. Spez + sleep or stun unit. Harsetti + village build etc.
@@deelee7004 yep,you got it all right
Then you aren’t good enough at RTA to understand why it’s bad. A large part of the skill in RTA is in the draft phase, you have your first 4 characters and then you pick a 5th that your opponent is forced to ban otherwise that character could cause them problems. 3rd pick ban protection removes a large part of the skill in the draft phase because now you can just lock your core unit on 3 and your opponent can’t do anything about it. it used to be a choice, do I ban their core unit and let their 5th pick through? Or is my draft good enough to beat their core unit and I can safely ban the 5th pick. This is especially toxic against cleave because now cleavers can draft Luna, Frida, BBK on 3, and 2 other supports, before you could just ban BBK and you’d win because they drafted poorly with only 1 dps, but now you’re forced to play against BBK. Another shining example of why ban protection is toxic is Young Senya. A very toxic Young Senya draft has been getting a lot of traction in pre season, 2 earth units and Young Senya on 3. Earth already has plenty of strong characters so if you ban Young Senya you still have to face two strong earth heroes, but the you can’t ban her because she’s on 3, you are FORCED to let the synergy through, the game doesn’t govern you a choice. Do you see the problem yet? If not, here’s one final example. There’s a guy in RTA who drafts 4 book holders and Elvira on 3, he ropes every single one of his turns and just soul burns Elvira once she gets a turn. The match has 2 outcomes, you forfeit and give him the win, or the match times out and both of you lose. It’s a very cheesy play style and only works if the opponent doesn’t know what to expect, but the problem is that it shouldn’t work in the first place, you should be able to ban Elvira and not be forced into a 30 minute long game
@@RavenUwU605 Holy mega based
@@RavenUwU605 aint reading all that,stay salty and safe in silver/gold friendo!