I wish you had invited a Buddhist. There are so many mistakes that I can’t possibly correct them all. But the word ‘suffering’ is a translation of ‘dukkha’ which means unsatisfactory or not at ease. The word for unwholesome desire in pali is tanha. That’s the ‘desire of the second noble truth’ It means like a thirst. It’s the unhealthy desire of always wanting more. The word dhammachanda refers to the wholesome desire of wanting to put the buddha’s teachings into practice. So there is no contradiction. I’m thankful that you are respectful of Buddhism but you should have got someone who actually knows what they are talking about rather than a straw man to beat up.
Hi, you are totally correct. He should have invited someone who doesn´t skew Buddha´s teachings or it makes no sense. I used to live as a nun in thai forest tradition so I as well the the highest respect for Buddhism I wanted to give Buddha´s teachings my life because I believed him fully. What was the reason I believed him: teachings were internally coherent, there wer no contradictions no lies. It had good morals, my own personal experiences in practicing meditation which were confirming what Buddha taugth. Also desire to do it on my own. These were quite frequent reasons. The personal experience as well as desire to do on my own were the most common reasons for other monks and nuns as well as laity living in the monastery. By personal experience I mean seeing results of the practice which were compatible with what should happen according to Buddha´s teaching. Until one day. Now following I am writing because i wish someone had told me and no one ever had. But no one could because we were all buddhist, had any of us known, we wouldn´t have been. There is one problem with beleiving a system which is internally coherent just because there is no contradiction - having no contradictions doesn´t mean it´s true. Just as there are many books of fiction where entire worlds are created without any contradictions yet they are still fictional. Problem with taking personal experience as confirmation of ideology: our body and mind works certain way. If we exercise and fast, we feel good, we are healthy we have energy. If we lay on a couch, eat junk food, we feel sick, we are overweigth... There are objective rules to how body and mind works. Taking personal experience in meditation as confirmation of entire cosmology is the same as if I was exercising and fasting because in one book I would read it´s good for you. I would see the results, so I would go to search the author of the book and then believed all he thinks about the universe because my body felt healthy and stronger after I exercised. Mind is the same. If you do certain things with it it responds in certain ways - it does´t proove buddhist cosmolgy is true. Buddhism in west is mostly stripped of it´s cosmology and focuses just on meditation practice. You probably know. There are many more things buddhists need to do than just meditate, but in the west it´s mostly stripped down to meditation. Morality, wholsome livelihood, charity is avoided or not sressed enough and cosmology of how it all works together is not much talked about. Little bit yes, but no much... I will make this into several parts so that it´s easier to read if you wish to read it.
Part two:) There are problems with buddhism which are not talked about. not buy buddhists, mostly not by Christians because they don´t have any experiene with it + the problems are of such character that it doesn´t come to mind easily. What is that problem? It´s far too good. Budhism is far too good and that is the main problem. Why on Earth should that be a problem? Now I will speak of things which will not make sense for a buddhist, please bear with me. If cosmology is internally coherent but not correct and universe and after life doesn´t work at all as the cosmology says it does - then the entire premise of the ideology and even the goal of it´s practice is fiction too. You cannot get liberated from endless cycles of rebirths and disatisfaction when there is no cycle of rebirths f.ex. Now - when you live in the fictional world where you do things to achieve something that doesn´t exist - does the reality of the world change to fit your ideas or does it keep it´s objective reality and reacts by that not by your ideas which are not corresponding to it. I know many buddhist in the west have new agy ideas about internal subjective reality being more than the objective and objective doesn´t even exist. But that is not teaching of buddhism. Yes buddhism adopted main cosmology of hinduism, universe which had no beginning and will have no end, endless cycel of rebirths, where you need to get yourself to ultimate reality which is state of no ill will, no ignorance, no desire and transcends all. But buddhism doesn´t deny there are objective laws to our world. If you are driving in the streets and ignore signs on the streets because you follow fictional signs which tell you how to drive, where to take turn, when to stop.... Will you or will you not get in trouble? If only subjective existed you can do whatever and nothing happens. But we know there are objective laws to the world, there are objective laws to how our body nad mind fuctions. If you have good will and follow imaginary signs because you don´t know they are imaginarey, you will get in trouble.
Part three. So what is the trouble you will get into when you are practicing or promoting Buddhism. First - you deny reality of God and creator of our uiverse. By denying him, you are done. That´s the end. If buddha´s teaching was correct you don´t need God, you do it by yourself and over course of many rebirths you attain nibbana. But if Buddha´s cosmology is incorrect you have nothing to attain and by denying existence of God you are done. There is not hing you can do, no matter how good or spiritual you may see yourself as. This is very important point because our decision on what we put our faith in decides our eternity. It´s important decision we should not take lightly. Now finally I am getting to why I started to write this. What happens when you practice Buddhism and follow Buddha´s teachings and live the life and make decision you will put your trust in Buddha. Main problem is as I said: it´s too good. It results from believe in endless cycle of rebirths and non existence of eternity. Everything always changes, shifts, there is no eternity, there is nibbana but that is state of cessassion of dukha, no longer being subject to desires, ignorance and ill will. So you are being born as worm, human, deva, demon, hungry ghost, horse.... After practicing buddhism and living as a monastic I ended up with incredible spiritual bondage which was result of Buddhism being too good and false disordered compassion. You know that compassion is huge part of the thing. Why is it problematic - karuna is disordered compassion. It´s compassion which is better than God´s compassion. It´s similar as if you were driving and you would be in the city where there is a speed limit but you would drive on full speed. Because sings you are following don´t correspond with reality of the streets. Disordered compassion in Buddhism is huge problem. Because no one stays in their present form for ever, you pray for everyone you are trained to have compassionate heart open to everyone to everything. We used to do deva invitation chants before every meal, where you invite devas as well as demons to come and listen to dhamma. You are trained to have all encompassing compassion towards eerything with no boundaries what so ever. Now when something is in tiself good but it´s used in disoreded manner - no matter that in itself it´s good it will cause harm.
Part four:) Because this world has objective rules and spiritual world has it´s objective rules as well. There is God the creator, there are humans, there are angels and there are fallen angels. What happens when you reject God and try to achieve thing you like sound of but is imaginary. You are not excluded from laws of this world material or spiritual. When you have boundless compassion and you are inviting everyone in, which in traditional buddhism you do even though here in the west, this part of the whole thing is being supressed a lot. When you invite demons they do come, Not to listen to dhamma though. They don´t care about dhamma. They care about you. First you invite them in by rejecting God and his laws. Second you invite them in by opening yourself in meditative state to everything. By practicing intense meditation where you are training yourself to be just an observer, to realize annata, to slowly loose attachments... You are opeining yourself up. To what though? One of the danger of buddhism is a premise that everytihng in it´s core is impersonal. (I never stopped to think: ok when we live in impersonal universe where personality is just part of delusion, ignorance, how come that kamma works by personal standards? How come in impersonal universe the judging law which decides what happens to our karmic leftover works on personal qualities of rewarding good and punishing bad...Anyway) So you are opening yourself up to impersonal truth and trying to realize that. Will you? No. Everyone just strives. You do get funny experiences you may experience cessassion of self in various forms, experiences of nothingness or states of neither nothingness or something. You may experience being less and less affected by the world - not because of getting liberated though but because of training yourself in dissociation. Dissociation may feel liberating but is anything but. In monasteries dissociation was big thing. We had monks who as a result of practice developped disocative disorder and had to be treated for that. It was re occuring thing This is not something communities advertise. You need to live there to find out. So you are living in more and more dissociative state which takes you further away from yourself and from God. Because our universe is personal. God is personal. And ourselves are for ever personal. Dissociation doesn´t change that. It hides it It hides it for a price. So you are in personal universe with personal laws and you are trying to deny this and make yourself empty of self. Will you be empty of self? No. But another personal agent will use this. WHen you are voiding yourself of God and of self, you are getting further and further. The more far you get away from him, your natural spiritual protection is weakaning. This is where the other personal agent which ruls this world stepps in and starts attaching themselves to you. Yes demonic. It exists, it´s real. Its nto something to invite or pray for. Because you are so precious to God it wants you eternally damned just to hurt him. So you are practicing vipassana, metta in worse case samatha, opening yourself up to boundless compassion, opening yourself up to more and more dissociation - you rejected God, by your practice your natural spiritual protections are weakening and demonic starts to attach to you. How you know? You don´t. They are clever to pretend they are not there. It may show in many ways - you may start manifesting sidhis - I started to have hidden knowledge of things. I knew hidden traumas of people I was around I felt what they felt, I started to be sensitive to presence of dead. It shows in supernatural experiences which are not proof of Buddha´s teaching - they are lend to you by these entities to keep you away from God YOu can have experiences of extra consciousness, all sorts of experiences where you sense of self, space and time skews and disappers or shifts in funny ways.
Part five:sometimes you can levitate even though I never levitated. But I had knowledge of unnatural things and after some times I started to have experiences of expanded consciousness my sense of self was at times completely disappearing at times just expanding into somethign which was not self but still was something. My sense of space and time was shifting and expanding. Our abbot said it was all good and part of spiritual progress. I happily believed it. But it would not stop. After some time I spent ours and days at time in these states. Imagine how you can function when you are non self most of the day. Impossible. It would not stop. When I was asking for guidance no one knew what to d owith me. They told me to eat meat and stop meditation. I stopped meditation, ate meat, nothing - I kept falling into expanded consciousness states for hours and days the same. I was shocked that they didn´t know what to do with me. I always had in my mind that buddhists are expeerts on spiritual matters. They had abidhamma, everything described to the smallest detail. How come they have no idea how to deal with this... After some time when I learnt they had no clue and I needed guidance and help I turned to kundalini masters. Because I read on kundalini and lot of it´s awakening process had similar symptoms to what was happening to me. I found renowned teacher and started to go there - no longer being in the monastery. They told me exactly the same thing our abbot told me - this is part of spititual progress, part of awakening. I thought ok. In the same time I started to visit carmelite monastery nearby because I was missing the monastic life and there were no buddhist monasteries near wher eI lived just this carmelite place. One of the monks saw me fall into expanded consciousness state, asked about it and then immediatelly said this is spiritual bondage. It´s demonic, So of course I didn´t believe him. Everyone knows Christians are the most ignosrant in spiritual matters of all groups. And both buddhists and kundalini hindus told me I was being super spiritual and progressing towards awakening. So I ran away and didn´t want to hear it. But out of mercy of God after a year or so I came back. I thought: buddhists didn´t know how to guide me through this, kundalini hindu didn´t know how to guide through this lets give ignorant christians chance. I thought: this is spiritual progress and I will prove it to you. I will go to your prayers of exorcism and see that nothing happens. Everything happened. And out of mercy of God slowly I was being rid of all that spiritual bondage I got by rejecting god,, by trying to void myself of everything and meditating myself into non personal truth which doesn´t exist. I saw hindu Gods manifesting as demons and having to leave as well as mahayana Buddhism deity I just had a statue of because I liked how it looked. In theravada buddhism there are no deities. Then the big one came - and I realize how horrible bondage I got from buddhism through disordered comapssion. I had demons attaching to disordered compassion which was opened boundlessly as I was taught it. The moment I let go of it and accepted God´s compassion which is ordered because it is ordered towards God and towards everything God has comapssion for and closed towards everything he has no compassion for - such as demons and damned souls, demons startted to leave. And it turned out with them my knowledge of hidden traumas of people and being able to feel what they feel and being able to perceive the dead disappeared. It was false charisma lend to me by demonic entities who we attaching to false concept of compassion as it is taught in buddhism. It was a shocker. Then I thought. Ok all these incredible kind, beautiful people I met in the monastery, I met in buddhist laity, all of them are in good will opening themselves up to this. Out of beleive there is a liberation at the end of the tunnel. Which was crushing to me. But then I thought back and went through the people I met and most of them - all of them from western world, much less from traditionally buddhist countries had one thing in common. They strived for freedom and liberation and they were willing to radically give it their entire life. Out of what though? There is personal god who created personal universe and personal humans. Personal God gave us the truth - person - Christ through which we can have liberation and cessassion of dukha for ever. Do we want that? No, we want what we want according to how we want it. Most poeple I met who were monks and nuns of western origins they had this. I want liberation but I want it as I want it. I don´t want to accept it as God is giving it I want to make up my own thing and then live make belief life of make belief practice voiding myslef of everything and opening myself to demonic by accident. Root of it was sin of pride. There is sin of pride in the root of buddhism and buddha´s teaching. This wasn´t mostly in people who came from traditionally buddhist countries, because they didn´t know any better. They knew nothing else. But in people who came to it from western world there was always sense of - ok I want to do it myself as I want to. Not as God is offering it. I had deepest respect for buddhism and I must say even after I accepted Christ even after all these demons started to leave and I started to be liberated from all spiritual bondage I got through practice of buddhism and then kundalini hinduism to be at least as free as every average human who never got into meditation, I still kept respect for theravada Buddhism. I thought ok at least they are not worshiping any deities and they have good morals and try to be kind. But look: you cannot judge book by it´s cover or by the words it´s using. It may sound nice, it may have nice illustrations but core of it is: Buddhism rejects all the means which can lead to salvation and true liberation. It rejects God and existence of personal God creator. (It keeps law of kamma which is impersonal mechanism which judes the deeds of everyone by personal standards which I never thought as being weird) It rejects divinity of Christ and personal savior who is the only way of true liberation. It rejects existence of eternal soul. So you have ideology which rejects God, which rejects God´s way he established to free us - so it rejects the only means of liberation. And it rejects existence of eternal soul - so it rejects the one who can be saved. So you reject savior, salvation and even having capacity to be saved - by having eternal soul. No matter how nicely it sounds buddhism voids you of possibility of salvation and freedom for ever. It gives you deeper and deeper levels of dissociation which it calls spiritual progress, it gives you sidhis, which are another level after getting in deep enough dissociation that it´s easy for demonic to attach and it lends you false charismas, then you spiritually progress into another leven of having expaned consciousness experiences and non self experiences again through demonic manipulating and messing up your natural personal mind.
I was raised Christian, been a Tibetan Buddhist for over a decade now. Your video really reveals how important it is to get your get your facts right. If you want to learn about physics, ask a physicist. If you want to learn about Buddhism, ask a Buddhist. There's a lot he got wrong (and some he got right) but two things stood out to me the most. One is that the Mahayana (the dominant form of Buddhism) doesn't teach that desire is the cause of suffering (that is Theravadan Buddhism) it teaches that Ignorance is the cause of suffering. Ignorance of the true nature of our self leads us to cling to a false sense of self, the tighter we cling, the more we suffer. (As he correctly states, we need the desire to escape our suffering) The second is the conclusion that thinking others suffering is their own karmic fault leads to callousness is fundamentally wrong. In Buddhism we recognize that all the suffering of us unenlightened beings, is a great motivation for compassion. Because we suffer, we understand suffering and want to help others escape suffering. The Bodhisattva vow is to help all beings escape suffering. The Buddha said himself, "all I teach is suffering and the end of suffering". Developing compassion is the core of Buddhism.
The main problem is not suffering but the consequences of suffering and death which is sin . There is no forgiveness of sin in Buddhism and where there is sin there is no peace in this world or the next because all that awaits the sinner is the judgment of almighty God
Jesus Christ gives my family dreams and visions. I had a terrible dream about that Buddhist statue. In the dream, an Asian woman in the dream was Buddhist, she died, and went to Hell. I woke up frightened. I had an Asian female client the SAME day and she was Buddhist.
@@gnatural The simple reason for that is that Buddhism is not structured around the concept of guilt towards some allmighty being. It's about suffering, the origin of suffering, the cessation of the origin of suffering and the path leading to the cessation of the origin of suffering. No steep metaphysical premises needed whatsoever.
You mock the story of the Buddha leaving his family behind yet you ignore your own Bible. Matthew 19:29: “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold, and will inherit eternal life.”
@majn625 Perhaps the phrase “…for My Name’s sake” should have been in bold type and italicized. Jesus was not giving a proscription for family life. He was giving us a warning. Many of His people, including me, have been offered a choice. Either you give up on Jesus, and stop following Him immediately (have sex with me even though we’re not married), or I will break up with you. So what decision did I take? “Wow…I’m really going to miss YOU.” 😂 I can’t say I haven’t looked back with nostalgia, but those feelings might last only a few seconds. All I have to do is look to Jesus’ promise that I will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life…with my late husband by my side, who loved me more than any other man other than Jesus ever could or will ❤
Gotoma left his family because he saw they were going to die. He needed to find a way for them and the world. His quest led him to find the highest teaching available on this planet, far beyond what Jesus taught.
@@kusali11 “Far beyond what Jesus taught?” Oh, you mean that we have to deny any of our needs, including for family or loved ones, because they’re “negative desires” and only when we’ve WORKED hard enough to achieve “enlightenment,” we win the booby prize of nirvana, which is non-existence? Meanwhile, we are doomed to hundreds of lifetimes of suffering and pain? You’re right…that sure is far beyond what Jesus taught. As in far beyond sad and depressing. My own husband died young. 14 years I’ve been without him. You have no idea how much I’ve suffered. But Jesus Himself being the Creator of the universe as well as the Creator of my late husband, taught us that the reason why He came was to put a complete and utter END OF ALL SUFFERING. Moreover, He has such strong power (LOVE) that it won’t take Him hundreds or even dozens of lifetimes of suffering to “earn” any ticket to nirvana. Heaven is a real place, and my ticket is already bought and paid for…BY HIM, hallelujah! And the best part about it, Jesus is coming again SOON. So I’ll be seeing my husband again very soon. I couldn’t be more excited and overjoyed!
I have been watching a lot of Buddhist videos and reading books about Buddhism and you are getting a lot of things wrong.I don't even know why you have to have this information, people are free to choose what they want to be believe,it shouldn't affect a Christian in any way.Just show love to all instead of finding fault and getting someone elses beliefs all wrong.This would really put a lot of people off Christianity.
Here’s some advice from a Buddhist…please don’t talk to us unless you are willing to be open minded and respectful. Something I don’t see much in these kind of Christian videos
Christians are very narrow minded and intolerant towards others. I am a christian, however as a community christians have become very hatful and do not practice the love that Jesus teaches. I find it very difficult to associate with Christians because of the way that they treat others. Jesus said love God and love your neighbor, the word love was agape love, self sacrificial love and neighbor has no qualifier, love your christian neighbor, your gay neighbor, your buddist neighbor, even your satanic neighbor in a way that you are willing to sacrifice your own happiness for theirs. The majority of Christians do not know how to practice this kind of love. I work with the homeless and have seen churches force a message on people before they will feed them, but Jesus healed people first and asked them to follow him second. I am a buddist also, because buddisim teaches love and compassion and the buddist community seems to have a much better understanding of what that love and compassion means. Buddists are welcoming to all people and are not judgmental. We are all walking our spiritual path and regardless of where you are on that path the buddist community is welcoming and tolerant. Christians will say you can not be both buddist and christian but from what I have seen buddists do not say that. Buddists are open to the similarities and how buddisim can benifit anyone on their spiritual walk. If more Christians practiced buddisim then more Christians would be living out the love of Jesus.
To say that Buddhism is based on speculation and Christianity on facts is an absolutely atrocious and exceedingly dishonest representation of both religions. Buddhism is radically empirical, consisting of practices that anybody can learn and partake in for the purpose of transformation. Understanding and direct experience are essential components of Buddhist practice. This is not a matter of speculation or faith, as in Christianity. Further, to claim that the belief in karma and its role in suffering leads to callousness is fundamentally opposed to anything the majority of Buddhists believe. The realization of suffering and it’s origin in ignorance, NOT DESIRE, at least according to the Mahayana (majority of Buddhists) is the source of COMPASSION for all sentient beings. You have it completely backwards. You bring shame to yourself for such falsities.
This is what one gets when someone who thinks he understands Buddhism talks. So many miss understandings it's laughable .So many that I would not know where to begin. I am an English Theravada Forrest monk Of 32 years and also practiced as a Buddhist layman with family for 15 years before ordaining. I have many very devout loverly Christian friends and monastics . "please stop trying to convert us all". Under the assumption that you understand Buddhism. Sent with blessings
Would you rather we didn't tell you the truth. . You see, when Jesus returns to take His children to heaven, only those who accepted Jesus before His return will go to heaven, the rest will go into the terrible tribulation and into the lake of Fire for ever. You see, we will be held accountable for not telling you the truth.
It is very interesting that instead of correcting anything, you just claim to be an authority on the matter and say the supposed mistakes are laughable. Why not engage? If the Buddha is right about the world, should you not follow in his footsteps and correct people on their path of suffering?
@@essiejackson695 What evidence do you have that Jesus is going to come back? Some words in a book? Jesus is dead and buried, just like Buddha is dead and buried.
@@essiejackson695 Well, see, you're just proving that your own religion is also about avoiding suffering. You say you have to believe to stay out of eternal hellfire. Frankly, I find that to be an abhorrent belief, and it certainly wouldn't compel me to want to join your religion.
Always good to try to create a conversation. Sadly, your comparison charts (between Buddha and Jesus, or between Buddhism and Christianity) would have more actual relevance if you had shared them with a Buddhist to validate your understanding of the doctrine.
Agreed. Many, many misunderstandings here. I won't call them misrepresentations, because I don't think it's intentional. I find that even a lot of Westerners who call themselves Buddhists seem to have a tenuous understanding of Buddhist thought, and that certainly doesn't help.
Pop rock christians, buddhism is the way to sanctification, getting rid of the taints, sainthood. "you must have the desire to get rid of desire so it means you still have a desire. " this shows you don't get it. You should read and meditate sutras. Dhamma is the Logos, the word that cleans us. You apply the Buddha's simple but deep teachings and you see for yourself.
Hey! :) I'm a practicing buddhist, but I've been studying christianity pretty heavily for the last seven months, so I love hearing perspectives of my practice from christians. Although there are a few misunderstandings in this video, specifically the view buddhist view on karma, that's understandable! Buddhist philosophy is a freaking valley to trudge through and it's mostly unfamiliar to most of the western world, so I can't blame you. I would like to note that most buddhists have a lot of respect for Jesus Christ because he preached primarily compassion for all people and things, similar to The Buddha. And, The Buddha taught that although current negative experiences are in fact caused by past bad karma, you should always help people through these predicaments and show kindness and love to them, no matter who they are, what they've done, or what they might have done. But, once again, I can't blame y'all at all for misinterpreting some things. In my studies into christianity, I've had a pretty difficult time understanding St. Paul's letters to the corinthians- misunderstandings happen when you're not apart of a particular faith! Also, it was awesome that y'all mentioned that a buddhist could probably be reached by Romans- Paul's letters are definitely the parts in the new testament that I find the most fascinating since they're so theologically complex, so they're definitely my favorites so far and would probably reach a lot of buddhists :)
As a Buddhist, there are a great many things in the teachings of Christ that I find deeply, deeply problematic from the perspective of Dharma. The deeply materialistic nature of Christianity, its addiction to biblical infallibility, its obsession with the blackmailing nature of eternal torment (to name a few). I cannot address the HUGE errors made by these two hosts - they were not (as you suggest) few. Namo Buddhaya.
@@wordscapes5690 As is probably true with all religions, Christians don’t all think alike nor do they interpret the Holy Bible the same. And there are so many different versions/paraphrases of the Bible too. But I think the principles are on point.
@@noself7889 correct. Buddhism is not an offshoot of Hinduism. It was, however, influenced by Hindu philosophy, literature, medicine, and meditation practice. But its core philosophy, and certainly its theological and metaphysical claims, are unique. The Buddha did not invent Dhamma. He created a system through which Dhamma could be clearly analyzed. He is to Dhamma what Darwin is to Evolution. Darwin did not create evolution, he merely identified it and classified it.
I am a Vietnamese. Like most Vietnamese families, mine hold the belief in Buddhism and the traditional practice of worshipping ancestors. Most Vietnamese have a great respect for Buddhism though they are actually not Buddhists, and thus do not understand much about the true teachings of the Buddha. In most cases, people just go to pagoda on Lunar New Year to pray for luck and they consider the Buddha as some kind of god. So, for many years, I wasn't very interested in Buddhism as I think all those prayers and rituals are not the core of Buddhism. Then, when I was at high school, one friend of my invited me to attend a mass of a local Evangelical church on Christmas Day. I was kinda impressed by the unfamiliar atmosphere of a new religion, I've never seen a religious ritual involving so much singing, dancing, and praying out loud like that. I was somehow curious about Christianity and attended some other masses. I found the people there so friendly and the teachings of Jesus very meaningful, especially the Sermon on the Mount. There was even a period of time when I even got converted into a Christian as I wanted to learn more about Jesus. But gradually, more bad things happened to me (as they always happen to you in some parts of your life), I started praying to Jesus but nothing happened to me. I came to realization that most of our sufferings stem from our desire, anger, and inability to see things through. And when I observed other Christians, even the most devout ones, I see that they also cannot find the peace in themselves but seek peace from God instead, which makes them vulnerable to all the changes of life. So after much consideration, I abandoned Christian belief and returned to Buddhism, especially Theravada Buddhism which emphasizes on the original teachings of the Buddha written in Pali Canon. I knew more about the The Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path, and the Practice of Satipatthana (Vipassana Meditation). I can find a kind of peace that I never experienced before. That peace comes from a life of obeying precepts, of mediating, and of wisdom of observing every existence as impermanent, non-self, and fragile. Every joy, sadness, good deeds, bad deeds, gains, and loss are observed as objects of Vipassana. And from now, I know that I will not need to find any other paths for salvation. I still respect Jesus as a great teacher of mankind. But I will not tread on no other paths but the path of enlightenment, even when Christians keep scaring me with prophecy about the doomsday in the Revelation. I don't intend to offend your beliefs, but we Buddhists have our own way, we hardly accept the idea of believing in another God.
It seems we have made a lot of similar experiences. Sometimes it is astonishing how it's almost always the disturbing and unsatisfactory experiences that lead one to the realisation of arising and decay in the world. I hope, you can uphold your peace and the Dhamma for a long time to come 🧡 Namo Buddhay and welcome to the Sangha 🙏
Well said brother, had christians got access to the pure real teachings of Christians and not the corrupted one by human greed, they would have also experienced the peace and liberation. I feel sorry for them. That they are so bought into this idea and lost the real jesus. I wish them the truth and blessings.
7:30 I suppose it's similar to the way in which non-Christians question the credibility of Jesus supposedly being born of a virgin, walking on water, and rising from the dead, etc.
I am a Buddhist & we don't try to convert people to be Buddhist - don't say things u don't know. Don't say that Christianity is based on facts & Buddhism isn't - how do u know?? Trump claims to be the chosen one & a Christian, so u simply believe?? Buddha did exist but if u want to shut ur mind thats entirely ur choice but pls don't say things u cannot prove or disprove
My Mom was Buddhist!! She did a lot of demon process all her life. She believed dreams, she worshiped idols. And the evil spirits always surrounding her. She practiced them by getting her diseases healed. And then sick, and then all right, and then sick, ....... She died of wildness, with most horrible FEAR, with greatest struggling to death. We tried a final try by sending a christian pastor to her, but because she was totally lost by demons, she saw the pastor , but she took off all her clothes by getting herself totally naked!!!! She rejected the very opportunity of the salvation!!!!!! I want to share my painful experience to warn all of those who are still proud of yourselves, feeling good of your self righteousness, YOU CAN NOT AFFORD NOT ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST!!!!!! YOU === CAN==== NOT!!!!!!!! This was the true COST of worshiping Satan and devils instead of worshipping her Creator She was hooked and the more she got into it, the deeper she was hooked. People get into all kinds of cult s and devil's traps because human beings want their powers, or could be anything, such as: Fame, spiritual power, healing gifts, peace, getting rid of karmas, self suffering or self-righteousness, gaining higher level of soul being delivered , life peace, life wealth , life influence ,etc. When demons feel your flesh desires, the demons will surely get into them by giving them WHAT THEY WANT!!!!! All the people getting into false religions, philosophies, idols , cults, they all could fulfill ONE GENERAL PURPOSE, which is pleaseing your FLESH DISIRES. Stupid human beings as creatures, have never ever thought that the cause of death of us is the wrath of the Creator--- Almighty God. Our very first general Father Adam created by Almighty God , sinned against his Creator. Death punishment is the wrath from HIM. Human beings could have never ever got rid of their sins. It is the Creator Almighty God who created our father Adam , showed His great love and mercy upon human beings by HIS own SELF coming into the flesh, being the form of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, sacrificeing the only sinless perfect holy blood of HIMSELF, with this perfect sacrifice, can he fulfill HIS own righteousness requirement. Then HE took all the sins away from us by putting all the sins upon HIS HOLY SON, that is HIMSELF!!! Our Lord Jesus Christas death was the most shameful , painful, suffering death in the whole universe!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whoever believe in HIM , shall not perish, but have everlasting life!!!!!!!!! But, whoever does not believe in HIM, shall be thrown into the HELL for sure, and then into THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR EVER ,and EVER after Christ's White Thrown Judgement!!!!!!! th-cam.com/video/CGOa4Pvmn4c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XHYsvz--1GzLvV4w 认识真理!! www.wellsofgrace.com/gospel/books/renshizhenli/ 启示录44 第二十章2 地狱不是开玩笑的 刘志雄 th-cam.com/video/Qbbypx1SL0o/w-d-xo.html&feature=share 到了地獄，他張開了他的眼睛 In hell he lifted up his eyes! th-cam.com/video/FIzf2mUaxN8/w-d-xo.html 24:25
One great aspect of Buddhism is, that you don't have to convert to Buddhism, you can just start practising and see if it benefits you or not. There is nothing you have to take of faith. You can and should verify everything for yourself. It doesn't even matter if the historical Buddha existed or not. What matters is the teaching, are the instructions that have come down to us. There is no other tradition, religious or otherwise, that understands the nature of consciousness to the level Buddhism does. Certainly not Christianity.
If you have not studied Buddhism. If you don’t know the teachings, and the various schools of Buddhism, then you are hardly in a position to criticize Buddhism. I was raised Christian, and attended Sunday School as a child and attended churches of various denominations, mostly Anglican and Roman Catholic, but also “born again” churches. I discovered Theravada Buddhism and flew to South Asia to study it in temples and monasteries. Read countless books. I’m now happily a Theravada Buddhist. Namo Buddhaya 🙏🏼 ☸️ I find it interesting that these speakers know next to nothing of Buddhism, and want to spread their religion to Buddhists. The end game of converting Buddhists would be to destroy Buddhism. Not good…….very bad.
@greglejacques1094 Buddha was a very real living person. Not imaginary like your Romulans and Vulcans. You don’t know the teachings of Lord Buddha. I have a small library of books on Buddhism. And spent four months in Thailand and two months in Cambodia at temples and talking with English speaking monks. I might know a little bit more about the teachings of Buddhism than you do. You probably know a lot more about Star Trek than I do. 🙏🏼 ☸️. 🙂
@greglejacques1094 Historians agree that Buddha existed. And Buddhism itself could not arise out of nothing. That’s good enough for me. I truly don’t care if you believe that fact or not. Calling me a nihilist is positive proof that you know nothing about me. You’re comedian and a troll…. And should be treated as such. I find you to be hilarious.. 🤣😆🤣😂😆😁
@greglejacques1094 I am not uncertain. I have full believe in the Triple Gem. Again you demonstrate you know nothing….and only spout fancy words meaning…..nothing. You are the nihilist. Perhaps you should study the Dhamma. And spend some time at a Buddhist temple with the monks. In the meantime …you are being an online troll. And I should not be feeding the troll. That is my failing. Namo Buddhaya. 🙏🏼 ☸️
@greglejacques1094 It appears that you are still stuck in this world, this existence…and have failed to go beyond into Nibbana. I doubt that you have even entered the steam. Still in this world….living life here, and criticizing others while ignoring your own faults and failures.. You are lost in existence and suffering. How sad…. Namo Buddhaya 🙏🏼 ☸️ Bye the way…..study is good. Perhaps you should try it sometime. Education helps….a lot.
@greglejacques1094bro good luck with your beef with Buddhism. One good old book of bible is enough right since that’s your limit. Just go and read it. Stop bothering us.
Do bear in mind that at the time of Gautama Buddha, nobody knew anything about Jesus. There is no comparison at all because Jesus had not yet been born. Like you said, Buddha never claimed to be God. He just taught people of his time how to lead better lives.
When you speak with a Buddhist, ask them this question. Over the centuries, how many people have been killed in the name of Buddha? I bet they say something like "..erm, not many." Exactly. That's what you should ask them and maybe you might learn something.
@@blumenkraft23 I'll just give examples. Tyranny. Violent aggressors and invaders. Slavery. Murder. Sex crimes. Would you like to address them? I can list more.
Just because we carry the responsibility for the consequences of our actions, doesn't mean we should not care about the misfortunes of others. On the contrary, the Buddha taught boundless loving kindness, or metta: "Even as a mother protects with her life Her child, her only child, So with a boundless heart Should one cherish all living beings; Radiating kindness over the entire world: Spreading upwards to the skies, And downwards to the depths; Outwards and unbounded, Freed from hatred and ill-will. Whether standing or walking, seated or lying down Free from drowsiness, One should sustain this recollection. This is said to be the sublime abiding." - Karaniya Metta Sutta
The very fact that he left his family to live his life , officially makes him uncaring, unsympathetic, callous person. And we actually see in the hindu and Buddhist cultures just how much misery is there! It is widespread. Hence, the cast systems, hence, rampant poverty, poor hygiene and deeming that one's life is more valuable than others. There are so may flaws with the theory of incarnation ...to begin with, where did the first life come from?
What a useless piece of advice on how to be kind! It is unbelievably impractical: sending kindness to the skies ??? It does literally nothing to those in need. It is soooooo abstract , couched in beautiful wording but in reality , requires nothing of you.
How can you ever end the vicious cycle if for one to "pay off" their carma, someone else should perpetrate the same crime supposedly committed by the former? It is nonsensical philosophy and only if one has not thought it through, could they wholeheartedly believe in it.
@@csmoviles The Buddha actually guided his son to become liberated and awakened (enlightened) like him. And the Buddha denounced and rejected the caste system which is a Hindu concept, not a Buddhist one. The Buddha didn't teach reincarnation. He taught rebirth (I won't go into the difference here). And there is no first life, that is the first thing he realized the night he became enlightened. We have been reborn since beginningless time, through countless expansions and contractions of the Universe. Awareness has no beginning nor end. And your second comment doesn't make sense.
Jose csmoviles, I always thought that if you had done bad things, you must do good things to counteract this...not wait for someone else to do a bad thing...your comment doesn't make sense ro me either!
The main difference between Christianity and Buddhism as far as I am concerned is that Buddhism offers me tools that have greatly alleviated my suffering in this life. Praying to some probably imaginary deity that never answers did nothing for me. Discovering mindfulness mediation has been a life saver (literally literally because I was suicidally depressed back then). To practice Buddhist teachings and techniques, I have to take nothing on faith, I can verify everything myself and discard what does not work for me. Whether or not Siddhartha Gautama even existed as a historical person doesn't matter. What matters are the teachings which you can apply, and for doing so, you don't have to "convert", you just sit and observe your own consciousness. No doctrines, no dogma, no authority, none of that required.
In Asia, Buddhism is an organized hierarchical religion, not what we see in the west. It does have a dogma and plenty of doctrines. It's actually pretty restrictive. Also, you could still practice Christianity by yourself without going to church.
@@sofiagutierrez9706 I'm aware of that, and I have to say that am just as suspicious of Buddhist hierarchies as of Christian ones. However, the difference is, that you can practice all the essentials of Buddhism regardless of whether the historical buddha (Siddharta Gautama) even existed, said or did anything in particular. In the case of Christianity, if you don't believe that Christ was raised from the dead, then, according to Paul, you are definitely not a Christian. You can practise Buddhism without taking any historical fact on faith, but for Christianity this is out of the question. For Buddhism to actually benefit me any my life, exactly nothing has to be true about the historical Buddha, or even about Karma and reincarnation. For Christianity, OTOH, the god that Christians believe in has to actually exist and have raised Jesus from the dead.
@@leannaprather2258Very true, Buddha taught that un wholesome actions leaded to suffering mind states. Following a set of precepts, morals and values is one of the main practices as a Buddhist..
I am a secular Buddhist. Which means I do not pray or worship the Buddha as a deity. I simply have to dissolve the lower self . I follow the eightfold path for it is my true nature. Buddhism is a philosophy based upon reality. I am actually a better Christian now by becoming my true Authentic self. You left out the majority of suffering also has to do with impermanence. It’s just not desire it is craving. you guys left out a huge amount of the word dukkha. The word means more than just suffering it also means disappointment. Please do yourself a favor and research a little bit deeper.
Theravada Buddhists don’t worship him as a deity either. If they do, they are making a mistake. Buddha himself said he was only a man who “woke up” In Theravada we give respect and honour and bow in respect to Lord Buddha for his teachings. But he is not a god, the son of a god or a prophet of a god.
16:48 there are two types of desire. chanda and tanha. One is desiring wholesome things, the other is desiring unwholesome things. Desiring wealth is tanha while desiring liberation is chanda
Same here. I pray like a Christian and meditate like a monk. I learn from both traditions. I also practice some Taoist practices like QiGong. Take care 🙏☸️☯️☦️
Jesus was a Buddhist Monk. He attained Maha Karuna Samapaththi when the soldiers were torturing him. That's a strong Samadhi. That's why he didn't die.
I would want to ask them about the removal of desire: Shouldn't the first desire to address be; that the initial desire to correct or align ones karma, is in itself a desire, and the root of the desire to remove desire, and therefore be the first desire to need removed? Especially being, that you have no final control over your karma, much less awareness or implied control over your next life/cycle. It would seem (at a stretch), that by fully committing yourself to the desire of removing said desire, you would be negatively affecting the karmic cycle by creating an independent and isolatable focus and/or focal point, that would actually centralize a "self" (you'd be going the wrong direction( and any purposed direction would create disharmony anyway)). Good luck with that.
You're making it sound complex when it is actually not that much... Yes the desire to achieve Nirvana has to be let go at some point. But it's not one of the first desires to get rid of, it's more towards the "end" because at the beginning of your journey it is actually wholesome to aspire to goodness. Also, karma does not mean determinism. You do have some degree of control over your path, that degree increases with your capacity to extinguish desire. There are contradictions in Buddhism (between karma and non-self), but the points you raised are not those.
@@apologeticsofemptiness those are some great points to address by the way! It is exactly the reluctance to reflect and dig deeper into buddism and Hinduism that maintain people on the surface level of those absolutely flawed philosophies . Saying "it is not that complicated " is doing you a disservice. Please seek the truth , and it will set you free from you flesh desires , and instead will change your desires so that you'll feel the kind of peace and joy that this world ( nor buddism) can offer ! God bless!
@@apologeticsofemptiness I truly believe that is the most self exalted religion out there . All you do is to focus entirely on yourself , meditating for hours on end, emptying your mind , etc. It does virtually NOTHING good to the society or other people around you. You are to "radiate kindness over the world" , which is nothing but empty words. Nothing practical and constantly living in self denial about the true purpose of one's life. We are meant for so much more than just focusing all day on eradicating our desires.
@@csmoviles interesting how you're inviting me to seek the truth, when you are fine just throwing at me that you "truly believe" some misconception. I guess that's thanks to the typical Christian sense of entitlement that comes from believing you hold the only truth because an illusory higher power gave it to you. I am happy I follow a teaching that doesn't indoctrinate me like that. Again, as I said, there are contradictions in Buddhist teachings. Like they are in the Bible. The difference is, we Buddhists hold those dearly. Not only they are a safety net against fundamentalism, but they also require you to really think through what you hold as true.
@@csmoviles Most Buddhists believe that the ideal is to attain enlightenment but to renounce Nirvana and stay in Samsara in order to help all other beings to also become free of suffering. This is not focusing on the self nor is it merely 'radiating kindness.' Interestingly all Christian mystics and monks also seek to empty their minds in order to draw nearer to God, so it is funny that you would criticize that teaching. Also, the ultimate cause of desire is ignorance and so if one eliminates ignorance then suddenly desire is not an issue. Arguing that the desire to eliminate desire is just another desire is just a conceptual game that has nothing to do with the actual mechanism of the process.... but since you bring it up the desire for liberation is considered a wholesome desire which leads in the right direction. Being free of the flesh desires is actually very simple for one who meditates. We know of a bliss which is beyond the senses, and perhaps you do as well if you are able to calm your mind from its compulsive habit of thinking uncontrollably. I think that perhaps in your hour of deepest darkest night of the soul you turned to prayer that actually calmed your mind for some moments that you tasted that same bliss and so you saw that as finding Jesus. Good for you! How can we speak of freewill if we cannot even control our minds, right?
Great video! I have a suggestion on a world view to cover: RLDS-Restoration Branch. I live near Independence, MO, and have several friends who follow Joseph Smith’s teachings but reject Mormonism, and so it’s really difficult to pinpoint how to have conversations, etc.
Hey guys I'll be straight. I am a Buddhist and I did notice a few things that y'all said that does not really represent Buddhism well. HOWEVER. I Will not attack y'all and list all my grievances. The truth is, to us in the western world Buddhism is hard to understand. That is why we dedicate lifetimes to it. I appreciate that y'all were respectful and not blatantly hateful. I think y'all did your best and I'm proud that y'all made the effort.
Heh-heh... any Buddhist will just keep silent, let you spin your ego around his beliefs, and listen very nicely (making you sincerely believe you have defeated the Dharma) and then, after you are warm and content with your victory, he will go to his meditation corner and use the compassion he displayed toward you in order to advance his metta meditation practice. Basically, they use your own ego and suffering to progress toward the jhanas. ;)
The only reason Buddhism is not the biggest religion in the world is because it is the only religion that doesn't actively try convert people. Buddhists are told you lead by example and when you are asked about your virtuous qualities by others then you explain to people how you became the person that you are. It doesn't add up to bigger numbers but we all know inherently that it is the only way to operate as a morally and virtuous/religious person < Christians could really learn a thing or two from Buddhists in this regard.
It’s difficult to reason with Buddhists, especially Theravada Buddhists, since the basic teachings of Buddhism make so much more good common sense than Christianity does.
If you are a Christian who would like to understand Buddhism this isn’t the video you’re looking for. The information here is largely wrong or misunderstood.
I think the main issue is the core of all forms of the Buddha Dharma which is Non-dualism. Imagine an ocean and you are viewing it from a cliff. You see individual waves. The waves appear, climax and crash on against the cliff or shore. The waves have an apparent separateness and individuality, a life cycle and end. But they are never separate from the ocean, any individuality is an illusion, an operation of the whole ocean. We (The waves) are phenomena or patterns in ‘The All’ that come together and then dissipate. But nothing is lost as there was no separate thing present in the first place. And this is true for all phenomena that arise. In Christian terms it would be that there is nothing but God, its is the only thing that exists. Our being is a facet of God. We experience dissatisfaction or suffering because of ignorance of the true nature of reality caused by the operation of our minds. Also the Abrahamic idea of God is limiting because it’s conceptualised. Things are separated and classified as God or not God, Godly or not Godly. A Buddhist God is so vast, so different from any analogy that it can’t be known or interpreted. So Gods aren’t relevant to the aim of Buddhism. Suffering is caused by the operation of the person’s mind due to ignorance of their true nature. The Buddha was an ordinary man who examined the operation of ‘his’ mind and what it is. The Buddha shared his techniques for realisation that others have continued to develop further.
God changes our desire within us once we have submitted to His will. What an awesome God we serve 💖🙏💖🙏💖. Delight in your God and He will concede the desires of your heart. Totally runs counter to Hinduism and buddhism 🥳🥳🥳
As I am born Buddhist and become Irreligion but still respect Buddhist The most annoying words is "Christian is fact" No, Christian is the religion most detach from "fact" (actually Islam but let's say comparatively here). The concept of personal god and heaven and redemption is the most speculation and relatively far from fact than anything else And instead, Most of the Buddhism teaching is about fact and mundane life. The real living world and value of being living. The things about nirvana and sangsara has many implication but in the end it just a response to Theistic world view. And the most confusing teaching that many don't understand is, you can enjoy the life without desiring or craving. You can still aspiring or wishing but you just don't need to desire for or yearn for. And you can view karma as deserving but don't need to be apathetic, instead Buddha teach about being metta and karuna, which tell you that, even other suffer from karma, you can still have compassion and love and goodwill, in fact it's also them and us good karma to be kind to each other and help each other Understandably for you people to not touching Buddhism enough and only learn to communicate just for evangelizing though
I believe that without the election of God, no one can come to the faith in Jesus. I am Chinese. By the grace of God, I received Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior at age 42 19 years ago. I read the Holy Bible and pray to the Lord daily. I now have true peace, joy and the assurance of salvation. Hallelujah. Thanks be to the Lord my God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Only Satan would define a God that created some humans for the purpose of sending them to hell. God elected all and they can refuse their election. We love Him because He first loved us.
This kind of shallow and inaccurate apologetics is exactly the reason modern Christianity is failing and church attendance is dying and thank god for that.
Indeed, be mindfulness equal to be consciousness surrounding environment we are in: 'zen' emphasized on our daily life is opportunity to finding the why we are here: 'zen' ultimate rewards is living life is the way to find the enlightenment, meaning be simplified version of each time we encountered the episode of space between the interger we are facing with imminent inescapable circumstances or situations, we are capable of rehash that is awakening moment. My conclusion of Hinduism, Buddhism, paganism and all isms are the points directly derived from it. Life is continuation whether you feel like you are stuck or not you still are in journey meaning you still are in journey of life. We learned the Darwin theory of human evolution: The gradual point of any circumstances is to go to the next level of whatever lifestyle you are in meaning this is the chance of opportunity to learn higher level from the prior to graduation from where you were. This narration is to explained the Darwin evolution theory. Having said that, we know the Hinduism theory so that we will know the Buddhism theory so we are final product of new civilization under God. God is trying to tell us or teach us the summit point of view of each segment of life or graduated from prior conditions we were in. Human beings are very curious of God's creation: God created human being in likeness of God and images of God. All religion is based on finding the purpose of life something higher than what we know so far. Therefore, we are longing to be like God that is why all these procreation to experiments anything and everything. To make long thought process short I would share with anyone who is interested in 'why we are here' so here it is ; out of Hinduism Buddhism was born and out of Buddhism we are in final stage of the purpose which is the Christianity. Is the nativity of jesus coincidence From Hinduism? Then Buddhism and we are in final phase of purpose of metamorphosis in Christianity. Now we have chance to be with God when we are done on earth? Therefore, we shouldn't discriminate against any beliefs of its religion. Amen.
Dunning-Kruger Effect personified. If you examine someone else’s beliefs merely so you can argue against them, all you do is confirm your own prejudices and biases.
As a christian i know a bit about buddhism and i respect its teaching on morality but i find the ultimate goal of buddhism is kinda...empty of any meaning i guess? I listened to many theravadin monks and they all said the ultimate goal of buddhist is cessation of existence or self (nibbana). And they said that is the ultimate bliss. Which is confusing how it is an eternal bliss if no one there to experience it??
'Yeshua' said other "men" have authority to forgive sins as well ('Matthew' 9:6, 8 confirmed in 'John' 20:23). 'Yeshua' never taught he's Deity, he taught his Father/Creator is the ONLY/mono True Deity/theos ('Joh' 17:3). 😂 trinitarian/traditional christianity is not monotheistic...
Your understanding of BUDDHISM is the point tip of the whole ice mountain 🏔️ If you wanna talk about Buddhism, plz invite the Theravada Buddhists. Not just googled it and briefing from a point of view of a Christian. Buddhism is not as shallow as you see
You leaving out the part where siddartha told his students to remove desire from there life. This was to show them that this was an impossible task. Siddartha like the Dahli Lama also believe desire must be there
As a Buddhist practitioner I appreciate your will to explore but some of your conclusions are off base. For one the Buddha has sanctified desire. Words and ideas translated tend to get messy as they did from the Greek to English Bible. Again I appreciate your willingness to speak and explore the topic but you need to check some concepts on a deeper level again.
Buddhism doesn't say rely on self, there is a doctrine of no-self in no-self in buddhism. Christianity: Death is final - what happened to eternal life "through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23)?
16:30 the desire that make you happy, that's the point. that told you are clinging on it. sure when you fulfill desire it will make you happy. but it still make you worries about it dissappear, but it will anyways. that's the cause of suffering. Buddha didnt't teach to not joy to your happiness but not hold or clinge or spare it. joy and mindful every moment. key is meditation build your mind mindful make you wisdom. wisdom make you understand cause and result.(karma) cause and result lead to compassion. compassion lead to forgiveness. and forgiveness erase suffering from your mind. 16:54 just like how to forget you can't try to forget to forgot. life start with full of desires. and then inject desire to get rid all of desires, just like Antibiotics. the end even antibiotics will disappear.
Any Christian who wants to understand real teachings of Buddha go for 'Vipassana retreat' This will bring you close to the real Jesus. it's a free 10-days retreat funded by donations. You lose nothing. But make sure God sent the truth in different forms, so go there not just to negate it but to learn with a critical mind. This life is short and make the most out of it. Bless you all
I ate with the Gyoto monks and met the dali lama 2 times one time he put a prayer cloth on my neck the other time we prayed together for an hour I was just being myself I told him that I belive in Jesus ,,it was not a problem
What do you mean you believe in Jesus? These gentlemen are true Christians because they're helping believers do what the Christ commanded ALL Christians to do-the great commission(Matthew 28:16-20). If you love Christ you'll do as He says(John 14:16). And if you love your neighbor as you love yourself(Mark 12:31) you will warn unbelievers of what will happen if they don't accept Christ as their saviour(John 3:36).
@@merlinidlehands3302 I'll give you an example. When I say I believe in Jesus, what I mean is, I believe everything He said. I believe the Bible is the Word of God and I try to emulate Christ. Some people who say they believe in Jesus don't believe in the Bible and they hold ungodly beliefs eg they support homosexuality, abortion etc.
@@Thalitatiel why dont you just come out and say it....YOU dont think Im a beliver in jesus and dont obey Him ?you are judging me and I dont agree with you sorry but I didnt start with thses folks are good and your bad merlin which is pretty much what your trying to sau BUT dont have enough courage to LOL its Ok Im used to it
There are many upset Buddhist in the comments. I think in some parts the hosts are positive about Buddhism, and in some places they are negative. They are engaging with Buddhism at a surface level, and there criticisms of the religion are not the best as a result of that. However, I think we need to accept these people where they are at. If you want to hear Buddhists discuss Buddhism at a deeper level or you want to hear deeper analysis, there are TH-cam channels focused on that. These guys are making a video for a Christian audience, and I don't think they are being as inflammatory as the people in the comments think they are being. We should show them the compassion of the Buddha. Let these men find their own path whether that be as Christians or Buddhists or anything else. Peace be upon them.
The upset Buddhists in question: "lol, you got, like, everything wrong. That's chill though good luck with whatever it is you do." How do you have the arrogance to read a "Buddhism 101" book and then act like you know what you're talking about? I'm not a Buddhist, but boy do I know a thing or two about it. And let me tell you, some people should just keep their mouths shut.
Yes, love them and be honest, but there is a distinction between a wise, tactful way to witness to them, versus a tactless way of presenting the truth to them. The Truth is the same, and Christ is the only ones who saves, but *how* you present the truth to people certainly has an effect on how they receive it.
We are to learn about other philosophies and religions in order to refute them first, and then effectively witness to those lost souls. Paul did just love them but he would engage in conversations explaining as to why one's belief was flawed.
@@merlinidlehands3302 Yes, it is a hard act to follow. Jesus knew why he came to earth. That is why he did not have to make the mistake of getting married, being the father of a child and then leaving wife and child for good, to save his soul.
Hay thanks bros! I have maybe not another worldview but could you maybe help me out with the Sumerian cuneiform tablets ie enki enlil and how/if/why the difference in the narrative as my family member is basically convinced the start of Genesis is an borrowed allegorical tale because of the supposed age of the tablets.
Well, I appreciate your ideas of the Buddhism but there are a lot of things you've misunderstood when you talked about Buddhism. Everything you have mentioned is just the surface of the true meaning of Buddhism. One of them is suffering is bad because nothing last forever. Buddha's teaching can be proven by science and Christianity can not be proven by any facts.
Buddhism want to remove desire in order to remove suffering, but yet desire to be in nirvana and you can't so you still suffer.. It is not possible to remove desire, so Buddhist suffer forever :)
It is wrong to say Buddhists desire to be in nirvana, nirvana is the extinction of all desire, even the desire to reach it. But it's true Buddhists suffer forever, I mean... That's the basic definition of Samsara :)
@@kelzaroute I was kind of joking because Samsara is indeed said to be a suffering without beginning or end. So technically we have already been suffering forever :) But the Dharma (teachings of the Buddha) provide a method to end / exit suffering (realize Nirvana).
@@apologeticsofemptiness how to end/exit? Thru removal of desire?? Then what is the point of living in the first place.. To come to suffer then end up with nothingness... This kind of believe is just a way of escaping, irresponsible. You know what Buddha did in order to reach so call Nirvana?
@@kelzaroute I think you are putting the effect before the cause. It's not like you become a Buddhist, decide to remove all desire from your life, then live like a desireless zombie until you die and exit samsara. 😱 First, because that would require an insane level of faith in the outcome. But mainly because you cannot just remove all desire like that, as if this was a switch you could just turn off. 😉 The rooting out of desire is the end result of a journey, not its starting point. And the journey is full of interesting steps (imho). It starts by learning how your actions affect others, and yourself, and how to live an ethical life, with compassion and generosity. It proceeds in learning how to work with your mind to inquire its nature, to get rid of delusion and understand your desires (to be able to unroot them). And it evolves into a deep investigation on the true nature of reality. Some of the steps of this investigation are said to provide immense joy (I personally only got a glimpse of that). Some Buddhist schools would argue it require getting out of society and life an ascetic life. Some others (like Zen Buddhism), argue that by doing so it is impossible to really understand yourself and reality because you would miss an understanding of life in all its colors. One thing that draws people into Buddhism, is that this path doesn't necessarily require faith to begin with (you get it along the way), and is laid out in great details (some of it you have to discover yourself through practice). The foundation of it is called the Noble Eightfold Path. Edit: I think I am pretty aware of what the Buddha did to achieve Nirvana, happy to answer any question on that matter.
Oh dear - a Buddhist life is one lived in fact, unlike a Christian life. This was fun to listen to but as a person born in one and now practicing another of these two religions, you guys get a lot wrong. I suggest you change your title How to LISTEN to a________• This way, you might better understand and respect others rather than working so hard to convert. Please explain how a god born from a virgin who could turn water into wine, raise people from the dead, walk on water and eventually floated off into the heavens is grounded in fact. Buddha was not a magician, like your Christ. A Buddhist does not pray to a vending machine in the clouds and hope he/she is good enough to deserve the candy. Cool story, bros
So the claim is that Christianity is less made up than Buddhism??? All religions and gospels are equally man made. At least Buddhism is a society friendly, non preaching one.
Well, you built a straw man that you then compared, analyzed and demolished. One of the advantages of such a long misinformed harangue is that nobody has either the time or the patience to engage with it. If you are happy with your religious life, than I applaud you. You will never convince or convert anyone through engaging with them from an ignorant perspective. Just be happy in your faith and practice it. Buddhists that need “saving” will come to you.
You mock the sroty of Buddha because it is hard to believe but it is very easy to believe that Mary was a virgin and had then son of god becausenof the “holy spirit” ok
You can't read a book on the basics of Buddhism and do a really just representation. There are so many gaps and misinformation in this interview. I've been a buddhist for 20 years (and still a long way to go, practice and learn) and can with confidence say you don't know what you're talking about. Only pointing things to your Christian advantage and lying all the way through. Plus, Tina Turner's practice was Nicherism which doesn't represent the original historic Buddha, just a self proclaimed "enlightend" monk with his own distorted personal ego trip philosophy.
Y'all need a real, practicing Buddhist to explain these concepts to you. You are mistaken in many areas, unfortunately. You'll have to dig a little deeper. So, we have no suffering if we become a Christian, in this life? Buddhism denies meaning in life??? Nope.
Job’s three friends must have been Buddhists. They engaged in blaming Job for being the victim of suffering. They offered no real escape from suffering other than “WORK HARDER, you must have done something WRONG.” They sure didn’t care about Job’s FEELINGS 😢
Neither is a facts then, or both is a fact/Historical. 😂 'Yeshua' didn't do any Miracles either, Elohim did it all "THROUGH" him (Acts 2:22). No he didn't, he taught salvation by keeping the commandments/Torah for all "nations" for all time ('Matthew' 19:17 + 28:19-20).
Check out this wiki article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity if you are open and willing to expand your understanding that can include both Christianity and Buddhism. In this article you will learn that Buddhism was practiced in both the Greek and Roman empires in Egypt, Syria, Greece, thanks to the Greeks and the Silk Road and emperor Ashoka of India. Just read the article. As a Buddhist I must say you have a very simple understanding of Buddhism and don't really understand or represent what we value and believe in your video. But that is okay. Be Christian and leave Buddhism to Buddhists! As a Buddhist my view of Jesus is that he is a bodhisattva, I have utmost love and respect for Jesus. The happiness the Buddha taught is not the worldly happiness of being successful and having a happy family, but true unconditioned happiness that nothing can take away, and that has no conditions. According to Buddhism, even heaven is a conditioned happiness and is not permanent. Desire isn't the ultimate cause of suffering, the 'three poisons' of ignorance, desire, and aversion are the causes, and the ultimate cause is ignorance. Ignorance is the opposite of awakening, or as you say: enlightenment. Ignorance of the true nature of self and reality is the cause of desire. But not ALL desire. The desire to become free of the fetters and to attain ultimate awakening (or enlightenment as you say) is a wholesome desire which liberates, not an unwholesome desire which leads to suffering and frustration. As for unwholesome desires, even if you get what you want you still aren't satisfied, because suddenly you desire the next thing. If only I could get a promotion, if only I could pay off my mortgage, if only I could afford another vacation, if only I could afford a better car. Even if you get what you want, desire doesn't stop. Of course, not getting what you want also causes suffering. And so does getting what you don't want. The flip side of desire is aversion. So really it is desire/aversion: two sides of the same coin. But there is a third side: ignoring. We ignore that which we neither desire nor have aversion for, and that is a symptom of ignorance. I am not trying to convert you. Just trying to educate you on a subject that you are invested in misunderstanding and misrepresenting. I fully support you to follow Jesus Christ's teachings and to follow in his footsteps since many of us Buddhists also view Jesus as a bodhisattva, or a fully awakened one who stays in Samsara to benefit all beings unconditionally. And yes, we view everything from heaven to hell and everything in between as Samsara. In my view, Christianity is what you get when you teach Buddhism to Jews, which is what Jesus did, in my opinion. Christianity and Buddhism can be complementary. Us Buddhists recognize that. It is a shame that Christians are so antagonistic and lack any tolerance or willingness to understand any nuance of other people's faith. As if everybody has to be the same as you or else they are evil or at least sinners going to Hell. May all sentient beings have happiness and its causes, May all sentient beings be free of suffering and its causes, May all sentient beings never be separated from bliss without suffering, May all sentient beings be in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and anger. I love you!
"But you have to desire to Nirvana so it makes no sense!" Why do you think this is some kind of profound gotcha moment? Buddha himself answered this. You will convert no one with these boneheaded takes. Also you do the same thing you typically do which is rapid fire a bunch of unprovable claims rooted in myths and legends. Enjoy your decline.
I will never worship a dead man name buddha i rather worship the livin Christ who raise from the dead by God…..only Jesus Christ can give us eternal life in heaven not buddha
@BADSHAH GEMER d u have proof show me proof me that Jesus Christ travel to India and learn buddhism because I know for a fact Jesus Christ did not learn anything about buddhism BOODA do not believe in creator God…….anybody who worship that dead man name BOODA is gonna burn in hell just like BOODA…..Jesus Christ is the real Lord not BOODA….Jesus Christ is the only way into heaven not BOODA……Jesus Christ raise from the dead by God…..Jesus Christ is greater than BOODA
I wish you had invited a Buddhist. There are so many mistakes that I can’t possibly correct them all. But the word ‘suffering’ is a translation of ‘dukkha’ which means unsatisfactory or not at ease. The word for unwholesome desire in pali is tanha. That’s the ‘desire of the second noble truth’ It means like a thirst. It’s the unhealthy desire of always wanting more. The word dhammachanda refers to the wholesome desire of wanting to put the buddha’s teachings into practice. So there is no contradiction.
I’m thankful that you are respectful of Buddhism but you should have got someone who actually knows what they are talking about rather than a straw man to beat up.
Hi, you are totally correct. He should have invited someone who doesn´t skew Buddha´s teachings or it makes no sense. I used to live as a nun in thai forest tradition so I as well the the highest respect for Buddhism I wanted to give Buddha´s teachings my life because I believed him fully.
What was the reason I believed him: teachings were internally coherent, there wer no contradictions no lies. It had good morals, my own personal experiences in practicing meditation which were confirming what Buddha taugth. Also desire to do it on my own. These were quite frequent reasons. The personal experience as well as desire to do on my own were the most common reasons for other monks and nuns as well as laity living in the monastery. By personal experience I mean seeing results of the practice which were compatible with what should happen according to Buddha´s teaching.
Until one day.
Now following I am writing because i wish someone had told me and no one ever had. But no one could because we were all buddhist, had any of us known, we wouldn´t have been.
There is one problem with beleiving a system which is internally coherent just because there is no contradiction - having no contradictions doesn´t mean it´s true. Just as there are many books of fiction where entire worlds are created without any contradictions yet they are still fictional.
Problem with taking personal experience as confirmation of ideology: our body and mind works certain way. If we exercise and fast, we feel good, we are healthy we have energy. If we lay on a couch, eat junk food, we feel sick, we are overweigth... There are objective rules to how body and mind works.
Taking personal experience in meditation as confirmation of entire cosmology is the same as if I was exercising and fasting because in one book I would read it´s good for you. I would see the results, so I would go to search the author of the book and then believed all he thinks about the universe because my body felt healthy and stronger after I exercised. Mind is the same. If you do certain things with it it responds in certain ways - it does´t proove buddhist cosmolgy is true. Buddhism in west is mostly stripped of it´s cosmology and focuses just on meditation practice. You probably know. There are many more things buddhists need to do than just meditate, but in the west it´s mostly stripped down to meditation. Morality, wholsome livelihood, charity is avoided or not sressed enough and cosmology of how it all works together is not much talked about. Little bit yes, but no much...
I will make this into several parts so that it´s easier to read if you wish to read it.
Part two:)
There are problems with buddhism which are not talked about. not buy buddhists, mostly not by Christians because they don´t have any experiene with it + the problems are of such character that it doesn´t come to mind easily.
What is that problem? It´s far too good. Budhism is far too good and that is the main problem. Why on Earth should that be a problem?
Now I will speak of things which will not make sense for a buddhist, please bear with me.
If cosmology is internally coherent but not correct and universe and after life doesn´t work at all as the cosmology says it does - then the entire premise of the ideology and even the goal of it´s practice is fiction too. You cannot get liberated from endless cycles of rebirths and disatisfaction when there is no cycle of rebirths f.ex.
Now - when you live in the fictional world where you do things to achieve something that doesn´t exist - does the reality of the world change to fit your ideas or does it keep it´s objective reality and reacts by that not by your ideas which are not corresponding to it. I know many buddhist in the west have new agy ideas about internal subjective reality being more than the objective and objective doesn´t even exist. But that is not teaching of buddhism. Yes buddhism adopted main cosmology of hinduism, universe which had no beginning and will have no end, endless cycel of rebirths, where you need to get yourself to ultimate reality which is state of no ill will, no ignorance, no desire and transcends all. But buddhism doesn´t deny there are objective laws to our world.
If you are driving in the streets and ignore signs on the streets because you follow fictional signs which tell you how to drive, where to take turn, when to stop.... Will you or will you not get in trouble? If only subjective existed you can do whatever and nothing happens. But we know there are objective laws to the world, there are objective laws to how our body nad mind fuctions. If you have good will and follow imaginary signs because you don´t know they are imaginarey, you will get in trouble.
Part three.
So what is the trouble you will get into when you are practicing or promoting Buddhism.
First - you deny reality of God and creator of our uiverse. By denying him, you are done. That´s the end. If buddha´s teaching was correct you don´t need God, you do it by yourself and over course of many rebirths you attain nibbana. But if Buddha´s cosmology is incorrect you have nothing to attain and by denying existence of God you are done. There is not hing you can do, no matter how good or spiritual you may see yourself as. This is very important point because our decision on what we put our faith in decides our eternity. It´s important decision we should not take lightly.
Now finally I am getting to why I started to write this.
What happens when you practice Buddhism and follow Buddha´s teachings and live the life and make decision you will put your trust in Buddha. Main problem is as I said: it´s too good.
It results from believe in endless cycle of rebirths and non existence of eternity. Everything always changes, shifts, there is no eternity, there is nibbana but that is state of cessassion of dukha, no longer being subject to desires, ignorance and ill will.
So you are being born as worm, human, deva, demon, hungry ghost, horse....
After practicing buddhism and living as a monastic I ended up with incredible spiritual bondage which was result of Buddhism being too good and false disordered compassion. You know that compassion is huge part of the thing. Why is it problematic - karuna is disordered compassion. It´s compassion which is better than God´s compassion. It´s similar as if you were driving and you would be in the city where there is a speed limit but you would drive on full speed. Because sings you are following don´t correspond with reality of the streets.
Disordered compassion in Buddhism is huge problem. Because no one stays in their present form for ever, you pray for everyone you are trained to have compassionate heart open to everyone to everything. We used to do deva invitation chants before every meal, where you invite devas as well as demons to come and listen to dhamma.
You are trained to have all encompassing compassion towards eerything with no boundaries what so ever.
Now when something is in tiself good but it´s used in disoreded manner - no matter that in itself it´s good it will cause harm.
Part four:)
Because this world has objective rules and spiritual world has it´s objective rules as well. There is God the creator, there are humans, there are angels and there are fallen angels. What happens when you reject God and try to achieve thing you like sound of but is imaginary. You are not excluded from laws of this world material or spiritual.
When you have boundless compassion and you are inviting everyone in, which in traditional buddhism you do even though here in the west, this part of the whole thing is being supressed a lot.
When you invite demons they do come, Not to listen to dhamma though. They don´t care about dhamma. They care about you.
First you invite them in by rejecting God and his laws. Second you invite them in by opening yourself in meditative state to everything. By practicing intense meditation where you are training yourself to be just an observer, to realize annata, to slowly loose attachments... You are opeining yourself up. To what though? One of the danger of buddhism is a premise that everytihng in it´s core is impersonal. (I never stopped to think: ok when we live in impersonal universe where personality is just part of delusion, ignorance, how come that kamma works by personal standards? How come in impersonal universe the judging law which decides what happens to our karmic leftover works on personal qualities of rewarding good and punishing bad...Anyway)
So you are opening yourself up to impersonal truth and trying to realize that. Will you? No. Everyone just strives. You do get funny experiences you may experience cessassion of self in various forms, experiences of nothingness or states of neither nothingness or something. You may experience being less and less affected by the world - not because of getting liberated though but because of training yourself in dissociation. Dissociation may feel liberating but is anything but. In monasteries dissociation was big thing. We had monks who as a result of practice developped disocative disorder and had to be treated for that. It was re occuring thing This is not something communities advertise. You need to live there to find out.
So you are living in more and more dissociative state which takes you further away from yourself and from God. Because our universe is personal. God is personal. And ourselves are for ever personal. Dissociation doesn´t change that. It hides it It hides it for a price.
So you are in personal universe with personal laws and you are trying to deny this and make yourself empty of self. Will you be empty of self? No. But another personal agent will use this. WHen you are voiding yourself of God and of self, you are getting further and further. The more far you get away from him, your natural spiritual protection is weakaning. This is where the other personal agent which ruls this world stepps in and starts attaching themselves to you.
Yes demonic. It exists, it´s real. Its nto something to invite or pray for. Because you are so precious to God it wants you eternally damned just to hurt him.
So you are practicing vipassana, metta in worse case samatha, opening yourself up to boundless compassion, opening yourself up to more and more dissociation - you rejected God, by your practice your natural spiritual protections are weakening and demonic starts to attach to you.
How you know? You don´t. They are clever to pretend they are not there.
It may show in many ways - you may start manifesting sidhis - I started to have hidden knowledge of things. I knew hidden traumas of people I was around I felt what they felt, I started to be sensitive to presence of dead.
It shows in supernatural experiences which are not proof of Buddha´s teaching - they are lend to you by these entities to keep you away from God YOu can have experiences of extra consciousness, all sorts of experiences where you sense of self, space and time skews and disappers or shifts in funny ways.
Part five:sometimes you can levitate even though I never levitated. But I had knowledge of unnatural things and after some times I started to have experiences of expanded consciousness my sense of self was at times completely disappearing at times just expanding into somethign which was not self but still was something. My sense of space and time was shifting and expanding. Our abbot said it was all good and part of spiritual progress. I happily believed it.
But it would not stop. After some time I spent ours and days at time in these states. Imagine how you can function when you are non self most of the day. Impossible. It would not stop. When I was asking for guidance no one knew what to d owith me. They told me to eat meat and stop meditation. I stopped meditation, ate meat, nothing - I kept falling into expanded consciousness states for hours and days the same.
I was shocked that they didn´t know what to do with me. I always had in my mind that buddhists are expeerts on spiritual matters. They had abidhamma, everything described to the smallest detail. How come they have no idea how to deal with this...
After some time when I learnt they had no clue and I needed guidance and help I turned to kundalini masters. Because I read on kundalini and lot of it´s awakening process had similar symptoms to what was happening to me.
I found renowned teacher and started to go there - no longer being in the monastery. They told me exactly the same thing our abbot told me - this is part of spititual progress, part of awakening. I thought ok.
In the same time I started to visit carmelite monastery nearby because I was missing the monastic life and there were no buddhist monasteries near wher eI lived just this carmelite place. One of the monks saw me fall into expanded consciousness state, asked about it and then immediatelly said this is spiritual bondage. It´s demonic,
So of course I didn´t believe him. Everyone knows Christians are the most ignosrant in spiritual matters of all groups. And both buddhists and kundalini hindus told me I was being super spiritual and progressing towards awakening.
So I ran away and didn´t want to hear it. But out of mercy of God after a year or so I came back.
I thought: buddhists didn´t know how to guide me through this, kundalini hindu didn´t know how to guide through this lets give ignorant christians chance.
I thought: this is spiritual progress and I will prove it to you. I will go to your prayers of exorcism and see that nothing happens.
Everything happened.
And out of mercy of God slowly I was being rid of all that spiritual bondage I got by rejecting god,, by trying to void myself of everything and meditating myself into non personal truth which doesn´t exist. I saw hindu Gods manifesting as demons and having to leave as well as mahayana Buddhism deity I just had a statue of because I liked how it looked. In theravada buddhism there are no deities.
Then the big one came - and I realize how horrible bondage I got from buddhism through disordered comapssion. I had demons attaching to disordered compassion which was opened boundlessly as I was taught it.
The moment I let go of it and accepted God´s compassion which is ordered because it is ordered towards God and towards everything God has comapssion for and closed towards everything he has no compassion for - such as demons and damned souls, demons startted to leave. And it turned out with them my knowledge of hidden traumas of people and being able to feel what they feel and being able to perceive the dead disappeared. It was false charisma lend to me by demonic entities who we attaching to false concept of compassion as it is taught in buddhism. It was a shocker.
Then I thought. Ok all these incredible kind, beautiful people I met in the monastery, I met in buddhist laity, all of them are in good will opening themselves up to this. Out of beleive there is a liberation at the end of the tunnel.
Which was crushing to me. But then I thought back and went through the people I met and most of them - all of them from western world, much less from traditionally buddhist countries had one thing in common. They strived for freedom and liberation and they were willing to radically give it their entire life. Out of what though?
There is personal god who created personal universe and personal humans. Personal God gave us the truth - person - Christ through which we can have liberation and cessassion of dukha for ever. Do we want that?
No, we want what we want according to how we want it. Most poeple I met who were monks and nuns of western origins they had this. I want liberation but I want it as I want it. I don´t want to accept it as God is giving it I want to make up my own thing and then live make belief life of make belief practice voiding myslef of everything and opening myself to demonic by accident.
Root of it was sin of pride. There is sin of pride in the root of buddhism and buddha´s teaching.
This wasn´t mostly in people who came from traditionally buddhist countries, because they didn´t know any better. They knew nothing else. But in people who came to it from western world there was always sense of - ok I want to do it myself as I want to. Not as God is offering it.
I had deepest respect for buddhism and I must say even after I accepted Christ even after all these demons started to leave and I started to be liberated from all spiritual bondage I got through practice of buddhism and then kundalini hinduism to be at least as free as every average human who never got into meditation, I still kept respect for theravada Buddhism. I thought ok at least they are not worshiping any deities and they have good morals and try to be kind.
But look: you cannot judge book by it´s cover or by the words it´s using. It may sound nice, it may have nice illustrations but core of it is:
Buddhism rejects all the means which can lead to salvation and true liberation. It rejects God and existence of personal God creator. (It keeps law of kamma which is impersonal mechanism which judes the deeds of everyone by personal standards which I never thought as being weird) It rejects divinity of Christ and personal savior who is the only way of true liberation. It rejects existence of eternal soul.
So you have ideology which rejects God, which rejects God´s way he established to free us - so it rejects the only means of liberation. And it rejects existence of eternal soul - so it rejects the one who can be saved.
So you reject savior, salvation and even having capacity to be saved - by having eternal soul.
No matter how nicely it sounds buddhism voids you of possibility of salvation and freedom for ever. It gives you deeper and deeper levels of dissociation which it calls spiritual progress, it gives you sidhis, which are another level after getting in deep enough dissociation that it´s easy for demonic to attach and it lends you false charismas, then you spiritually progress into another leven of having expaned consciousness experiences and non self experiences again through demonic manipulating and messing up your natural personal mind.
I was raised Christian, been a Tibetan Buddhist for over a decade now. Your video really reveals how important it is to get your get your facts right. If you want to learn about physics, ask a physicist. If you want to learn about Buddhism, ask a Buddhist. There's a lot he got wrong (and some he got right) but two things stood out to me the most. One is that the Mahayana (the dominant form of Buddhism) doesn't teach that desire is the cause of suffering (that is Theravadan Buddhism) it teaches that Ignorance is the cause of suffering. Ignorance of the true nature of our self leads us to cling to a false sense of self, the tighter we cling, the more we suffer. (As he correctly states, we need the desire to escape our suffering) The second is the conclusion that thinking others suffering is their own karmic fault leads to callousness is fundamentally wrong. In Buddhism we recognize that all the suffering of us unenlightened beings, is a great motivation for compassion. Because we suffer, we understand suffering and want to help others escape suffering. The Bodhisattva vow is to help all beings escape suffering. The Buddha said himself, "all I teach is suffering and the end of suffering". Developing compassion is the core of Buddhism.
The main problem is not suffering but the consequences of suffering and death which is sin . There is no forgiveness of sin in Buddhism and where there is sin there is no peace in this world or the next because all that awaits the sinner is the judgment of almighty God
Sin is not made up.if you put a man in a dark jail with nothing but a Bible and a light he would be able to tell you all of the evil deeds beings done
Jesus Christ gives my family dreams and visions. I had a terrible dream about that Buddhist statue. In the dream, an Asian woman in the dream was Buddhist, she died, and went to Hell. I woke up frightened. I had an Asian female client the SAME day and she was Buddhist.
@@sabrinasucces8139 So now we aren't just judging the world by fairy tales, but by dreams and fright, too... What a great time to be alive...
@@gnatural The simple reason for that is that Buddhism is not structured around the concept of guilt towards some allmighty being. It's about suffering, the origin of suffering, the cessation of the origin of suffering and the path leading to the cessation of the origin of suffering. No steep metaphysical premises needed whatsoever.
I find it hard to believe you actually read any of the Buddhist canon...
You mock the story of the Buddha leaving his family behind yet you ignore your own Bible. Matthew 19:29: “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold, and will inherit eternal life.”
@majn625 Perhaps the phrase “…for My Name’s sake” should have been in bold type and italicized. Jesus was not giving a proscription for family life. He was giving us a warning. Many of His people, including me, have been offered a choice. Either you give up on Jesus, and stop following Him immediately (have sex with me even though we’re not married), or I will break up with you. So what decision did I take? “Wow…I’m really going to miss YOU.” 😂 I can’t say I haven’t looked back with nostalgia, but those feelings might last only a few seconds. All I have to do is look to Jesus’ promise that I will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life…with my late husband by my side, who loved me more than any other man other than Jesus ever could or will ❤
Gotoma left his family because he saw they were going to die. He needed to find a way for them and the world. His quest led him to find the highest teaching available on this planet, far beyond what Jesus taught.
@@kusali11 “Far beyond what Jesus taught?” Oh, you mean that we have to deny any of our needs, including for family or loved ones, because they’re “negative desires” and only when we’ve WORKED hard enough to achieve “enlightenment,” we win the booby prize of nirvana, which is non-existence? Meanwhile, we are doomed to hundreds of lifetimes of suffering and pain? You’re right…that sure is far beyond what Jesus taught. As in far beyond sad and depressing. My own husband died young. 14 years I’ve been without him. You have no idea how much I’ve suffered. But Jesus Himself being the Creator of the universe as well as the Creator of my late husband, taught us that the reason why He came was to put a complete and utter END OF ALL SUFFERING. Moreover, He has such strong power (LOVE) that it won’t take Him hundreds or even dozens of lifetimes of suffering to “earn” any ticket to nirvana. Heaven is a real place, and my ticket is already bought and paid for…BY HIM, hallelujah! And the best part about it, Jesus is coming again SOON. So I’ll be seeing my husband again very soon. I couldn’t be more excited and overjoyed!
Hello, can all religions be true?
@@LotustotheLamb What do you mean by "true"?
I have been watching a lot of Buddhist videos and reading books about Buddhism and you are getting a lot of things wrong.I don't even know why you have to have this information, people are free to choose what they want to be believe,it shouldn't affect a Christian in any way.Just show love to all instead of finding fault and getting someone elses beliefs all wrong.This would really put a lot of people off Christianity.
Here’s some advice from a Buddhist…please don’t talk to us unless you are willing to be open minded and respectful. Something I don’t see much in these kind of Christian videos
Christians are very narrow minded and intolerant towards others. I am a christian, however as a community christians have become very hatful and do not practice the love that Jesus teaches. I find it very difficult to associate with Christians because of the way that they treat others. Jesus said love God and love your neighbor, the word love was agape love, self sacrificial love and neighbor has no qualifier, love your christian neighbor, your gay neighbor, your buddist neighbor, even your satanic neighbor in a way that you are willing to sacrifice your own happiness for theirs. The majority of Christians do not know how to practice this kind of love. I work with the homeless and have seen churches force a message on people before they will feed them, but Jesus healed people first and asked them to follow him second. I am a buddist also, because buddisim teaches love and compassion and the buddist community seems to have a much better understanding of what that love and compassion means. Buddists are welcoming to all people and are not judgmental. We are all walking our spiritual path and regardless of where you are on that path the buddist community is welcoming and tolerant. Christians will say you can not be both buddist and christian but from what I have seen buddists do not say that. Buddists are open to the similarities and how buddisim can benifit anyone on their spiritual walk. If more Christians practiced buddisim then more Christians would be living out the love of Jesus.
To say that Buddhism is based on speculation and Christianity on facts is an absolutely atrocious and exceedingly dishonest representation of both religions. Buddhism is radically empirical, consisting of practices that anybody can learn and partake in for the purpose of transformation. Understanding and direct experience are essential components of Buddhist practice. This is not a matter of speculation or faith, as in Christianity.
Further, to claim that the belief in karma and its role in suffering leads to callousness is fundamentally opposed to anything the majority of Buddhists believe. The realization of suffering and it’s origin in ignorance, NOT DESIRE, at least according to the Mahayana (majority of Buddhists) is the source of COMPASSION for all sentient beings. You have it completely backwards.
You bring shame to yourself for such falsities.
"Christianity is based on facts....."? Wow.
Completely delusional haha
This is what one gets when someone who thinks he understands Buddhism talks.
So many miss understandings it's laughable .So many that I would not know where to begin. I am an English Theravada Forrest monk
Of 32 years and also practiced as a Buddhist layman with family for 15 years before ordaining.
I have many very devout loverly Christian friends and monastics . "please stop trying to convert us all". Under the assumption that you understand Buddhism.
Sent with blessings
Would you rather we didn't tell you the truth. . You see, when Jesus returns to take His children to heaven, only those who accepted Jesus before His return will go to heaven, the rest will go into the terrible tribulation and into the lake of Fire for ever. You see, we will be held accountable for not telling you the truth.
It is very interesting that instead of correcting anything, you just claim to be an authority on the matter and say the supposed mistakes are laughable. Why not engage? If the Buddha is right about the world, should you not follow in his footsteps and correct people on their path of suffering?
@@essiejackson695 What evidence do you have that Jesus is going to come back? Some words in a book? Jesus is dead and buried, just like Buddha is dead and buried.
@@essiejackson695 Well, see, you're just proving that your own religion is also about avoiding suffering. You say you have to believe to stay out of eternal hellfire. Frankly, I find that to be an abhorrent belief, and it certainly wouldn't compel me to want to join your religion.
@@robertwilliamson922 I came back 😆
Always good to try to create a conversation.
Sadly, your comparison charts (between Buddha and Jesus, or between Buddhism and Christianity) would have more actual relevance if you had shared them with a Buddhist to validate your understanding of the doctrine.
Agreed. Many, many misunderstandings here. I won't call them misrepresentations, because I don't think it's intentional. I find that even a lot of Westerners who call themselves Buddhists seem to have a tenuous understanding of Buddhist thought, and that certainly doesn't help.
Pop rock christians, buddhism is the way to sanctification, getting rid of the taints, sainthood. "you must have the desire to get rid of desire so it means you still have a desire. " this shows you don't get it. You should read and meditate sutras. Dhamma is the Logos, the word that cleans us. You apply the Buddha's simple but deep teachings and you see for yourself.
Hey! :) I'm a practicing buddhist, but I've been studying christianity pretty heavily for the last seven months, so I love hearing perspectives of my practice from christians. Although there are a few misunderstandings in this video, specifically the view buddhist view on karma, that's understandable! Buddhist philosophy is a freaking valley to trudge through and it's mostly unfamiliar to most of the western world, so I can't blame you. I would like to note that most buddhists have a lot of respect for Jesus Christ because he preached primarily compassion for all people and things, similar to The Buddha. And, The Buddha taught that although current negative experiences are in fact caused by past bad karma, you should always help people through these predicaments and show kindness and love to them, no matter who they are, what they've done, or what they might have done.
But, once again, I can't blame y'all at all for misinterpreting some things. In my studies into christianity, I've had a pretty difficult time understanding St. Paul's letters to the corinthians- misunderstandings happen when you're not apart of a particular faith!
Also, it was awesome that y'all mentioned that a buddhist could probably be reached by Romans- Paul's letters are definitely the parts in the new testament that I find the most fascinating since they're so theologically complex, so they're definitely my favorites so far and would probably reach a lot of buddhists :)
As a Buddhist, there are a great many things in the teachings of Christ that I find deeply, deeply problematic from the perspective of Dharma. The deeply materialistic nature of Christianity, its addiction to biblical infallibility, its obsession with the blackmailing nature of eternal torment (to name a few). I cannot address the HUGE errors made by these two hosts - they were not (as you suggest) few. Namo Buddhaya.
@@wordscapes5690 As is probably true with all religions, Christians don’t all think alike nor do they interpret the Holy Bible the same. And there are so many different versions/paraphrases of the Bible too. But I think the principles are on point.
@@cl5080 sorry, but its principles are clearly not on point. It has several principles that certainly are. Let us be clear.
Buddhism is not an offshoot of Hinduism. Buddha refuted Hinduism and realized his own dharma through renunciation and meditation.
@@noself7889 correct. Buddhism is not an offshoot of Hinduism. It was, however, influenced by Hindu philosophy, literature, medicine, and meditation practice. But its core philosophy, and certainly its theological and metaphysical claims, are unique. The Buddha did not invent Dhamma. He created a system through which Dhamma could be clearly analyzed. He is to Dhamma what Darwin is to Evolution. Darwin did not create evolution, he merely identified it and classified it.
I am a Vietnamese. Like most Vietnamese families, mine hold the belief in Buddhism and the traditional practice of worshipping ancestors. Most Vietnamese have a great respect for Buddhism though they are actually not Buddhists, and thus do not understand much about the true teachings of the Buddha. In most cases, people just go to pagoda on Lunar New Year to pray for luck and they consider the Buddha as some kind of god. So, for many years, I wasn't very interested in Buddhism as I think all those prayers and rituals are not the core of Buddhism. Then, when I was at high school, one friend of my invited me to attend a mass of a local Evangelical church on Christmas Day. I was kinda impressed by the unfamiliar atmosphere of a new religion, I've never seen a religious ritual involving so much singing, dancing, and praying out loud like that. I was somehow curious about Christianity and attended some other masses. I found the people there so friendly and the teachings of Jesus very meaningful, especially the Sermon on the Mount. There was even a period of time when I even got converted into a Christian as I wanted to learn more about Jesus. But gradually, more bad things happened to me (as they always happen to you in some parts of your life), I started praying to Jesus but nothing happened to me. I came to realization that most of our sufferings stem from our desire, anger, and inability to see things through. And when I observed other Christians, even the most devout ones, I see that they also cannot find the peace in themselves but seek peace from God instead, which makes them vulnerable to all the changes of life. So after much consideration, I abandoned Christian belief and returned to Buddhism, especially Theravada Buddhism which emphasizes on the original teachings of the Buddha written in Pali Canon. I knew more about the The Four Noble Truths, The Eightfold Path, and the Practice of Satipatthana (Vipassana Meditation). I can find a kind of peace that I never experienced before. That peace comes from a life of obeying precepts, of mediating, and of wisdom of observing every existence as impermanent, non-self, and fragile. Every joy, sadness, good deeds, bad deeds, gains, and loss are observed as objects of Vipassana. And from now, I know that I will not need to find any other paths for salvation. I still respect Jesus as a great teacher of mankind. But I will not tread on no other paths but the path of enlightenment, even when Christians keep scaring me with prophecy about the doomsday in the Revelation. I don't intend to offend your beliefs, but we Buddhists have our own way, we hardly accept the idea of believing in another God.
It seems we have made a lot of similar experiences. Sometimes it is astonishing how it's almost always the disturbing and unsatisfactory experiences that lead one to the realisation of arising and decay in the world. I hope, you can uphold your peace and the Dhamma for a long time to come 🧡 Namo Buddhay and welcome to the Sangha 🙏
Well said brother, had christians got access to the pure real teachings of Christians and not the corrupted one by human greed, they would have also experienced the peace and liberation. I feel sorry for them. That they are so bought into this idea and lost the real jesus.
I wish them the truth and blessings.
I realized how to talk to a Christian. You can't. The Holy Bible is so conflicting.
I’m a Christian and I love Jesus with all my heart. If you knew Jesus the Bible would be clear to you.
Invite a Buddhist if you gonna talk about Buddhism, this guy knows about Buddhism as much as the Wikipedia.
7:30 I suppose it's similar to the way in which non-Christians question the credibility of Jesus supposedly being born of a virgin, walking on water, and rising from the dead, etc.
I am a Buddhist & we don't try to convert people to be Buddhist - don't say things u don't know. Don't say that Christianity is based on facts & Buddhism isn't - how do u know?? Trump claims to be the chosen one & a Christian, so u simply believe?? Buddha did exist but if u want to shut ur mind thats entirely ur choice but pls don't say things u cannot prove or disprove
My Mom was Buddhist!!
She did a lot of demon process all her life.
She believed dreams, she worshiped idols.
And the evil spirits always surrounding her.
She practiced them by getting her diseases healed. And then sick, and then all right, and then sick, ....... She died of wildness, with most horrible FEAR, with greatest struggling to death.
We tried a final try by sending a christian pastor to her, but because she was totally lost by demons, she saw the pastor , but she took off all her clothes by getting herself totally naked!!!! She rejected the very opportunity of the salvation!!!!!!
I want to share my painful experience to warn all of those who are still proud of yourselves, feeling good of your self righteousness,
YOU CAN NOT AFFORD NOT ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!
YOU === CAN==== NOT!!!!!!!!
This was the true COST of worshiping Satan and devils instead of worshipping her Creator
She was hooked and the more she got into it, the deeper she was hooked.
People get into all kinds of cult s and devil's traps because human beings want their powers, or could be anything, such as:
Fame, spiritual power, healing gifts, peace, getting rid of karmas, self suffering or self-righteousness, gaining higher level of soul being delivered , life peace, life wealth , life influence ,etc.
When demons feel your flesh desires, the demons will surely get into them by giving them WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!
All the people getting into false religions, philosophies, idols , cults, they all could fulfill ONE GENERAL PURPOSE, which is pleaseing your FLESH DISIRES.
Stupid human beings as creatures, have never ever thought that the cause of death of us is the wrath of the Creator--- Almighty God.
Our very first general Father Adam created by Almighty God , sinned against his Creator.
Death punishment is the wrath from HIM.
Human beings could have never ever got rid of their sins.
It is the Creator Almighty God who created our father Adam , showed His great love and mercy upon human beings by HIS own SELF coming into the flesh, being the form of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, sacrificeing the only sinless perfect holy blood of HIMSELF, with this perfect sacrifice, can he fulfill HIS own righteousness requirement.
Then HE took all the sins away from us by putting all the sins upon HIS HOLY SON, that is HIMSELF!!!
Our Lord Jesus Christas death was the most shameful , painful, suffering death in the whole universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoever believe in HIM , shall not perish, but have everlasting life!!!!!!!!!
But, whoever does not believe in HIM, shall be thrown into the HELL for sure, and then into THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR EVER ,and EVER after Christ's White Thrown Judgement!!!!!!!
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认识真理!!
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启示录44 第二十章2 地狱不是开玩笑的 刘志雄
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到了地獄，他張開了他的眼睛
In hell he lifted up his eyes!
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One great aspect of Buddhism is, that you don't have to convert to Buddhism, you can just start practising and see if it benefits you or not. There is nothing you have to take of faith. You can and should verify everything for yourself. It doesn't even matter if the historical Buddha existed or not. What matters is the teaching, are the instructions that have come down to us. There is no other tradition, religious or otherwise, that understands the nature of consciousness to the level Buddhism does. Certainly not Christianity.
If you have not studied Buddhism. If you don’t know the teachings, and the various schools of Buddhism, then you are hardly in a position to criticize Buddhism.
I was raised Christian, and attended Sunday School as a child and attended churches of various denominations, mostly Anglican and Roman Catholic, but also “born again” churches.
I discovered Theravada Buddhism and flew to South Asia to study it in temples and monasteries. Read countless books.
I’m now happily a Theravada Buddhist. Namo Buddhaya 🙏🏼 ☸️
I find it interesting that these speakers know next to nothing of Buddhism, and want to spread their religion to Buddhists. The end game of converting Buddhists would be to destroy Buddhism. Not good…….very bad.
@greglejacques1094 Buddha was a very real living person. Not imaginary like your Romulans and Vulcans. You don’t know the teachings of Lord Buddha. I have a small library of books on Buddhism. And spent four months in Thailand and two months in Cambodia at temples and talking with English speaking monks.
I might know a little bit more about the teachings of Buddhism than you do.
You probably know a lot more about Star Trek than I do. 🙏🏼 ☸️. 🙂
@greglejacques1094 Historians agree that Buddha existed. And Buddhism itself could not arise out of nothing. That’s good enough for me. I truly don’t care if you believe that fact or not.
Calling me a nihilist is positive proof that you know nothing about me.
You’re comedian and a troll…. And should be treated as such. I find you to be hilarious.. 🤣😆🤣😂😆😁
@greglejacques1094 I am not uncertain. I have full believe in the Triple Gem. Again you demonstrate you know nothing….and only spout fancy words meaning…..nothing.
You are the nihilist. Perhaps you should study the Dhamma. And spend some time at a Buddhist temple with the monks. In the meantime …you are being an online troll.
And I should not be feeding the troll. That is my failing.
Namo Buddhaya. 🙏🏼 ☸️
@greglejacques1094 It appears that you are still stuck in this world, this existence…and have failed to go beyond into Nibbana. I doubt that you have even entered the steam.
Still in this world….living life here, and criticizing others while ignoring your own faults and failures..
You are lost in existence and suffering. How sad…. Namo Buddhaya 🙏🏼 ☸️
Bye the way…..study is good. Perhaps you should try it sometime. Education helps….a lot.
@greglejacques1094bro good luck with your beef with Buddhism. One good old book of bible is enough right since that’s your limit. Just go and read it. Stop bothering us.
Do bear in mind that at the time of Gautama Buddha, nobody knew anything about Jesus. There is no comparison at all because Jesus had not yet been born. Like you said, Buddha never claimed to be God. He just taught people of his time how to lead better lives.
When you speak with a Buddhist, ask them this question. Over the centuries, how many people have been killed in the name of Buddha? I bet they say something like "..erm, not many." Exactly. That's what you should ask them and maybe you might learn something.
Actually, I think it's better to ask them how many people did it liberate from oppression? How does it combat and protect people from evil?
@@JiraiyaSama86 way too vague
@@blumenkraft23 you're dodging. Go ahead and try to answer.
@@JiraiyaSama86 clarify what you mean by 'oppression' and 'evil'.
@@blumenkraft23 I'll just give examples. Tyranny. Violent aggressors and invaders. Slavery. Murder. Sex crimes. Would you like to address them? I can list more.
Just because we carry the responsibility for the consequences of our actions, doesn't mean we should not care about the misfortunes of others. On the contrary, the Buddha taught boundless loving kindness, or metta:
"Even as a mother protects with her life
Her child, her only child,
So with a boundless heart
Should one cherish all living beings;
Radiating kindness over the entire world:
Spreading upwards to the skies,
And downwards to the depths;
Outwards and unbounded,
Freed from hatred and ill-will.
Whether standing or walking, seated or lying down
Free from drowsiness,
One should sustain this recollection.
This is said to be the sublime abiding."
- Karaniya Metta Sutta
The very fact that he left his family to live his life , officially makes him uncaring, unsympathetic, callous person. And we actually see in the hindu and Buddhist cultures just how much misery is there! It is widespread. Hence, the cast systems, hence, rampant poverty, poor hygiene and deeming that one's life is more valuable than others. There are so may flaws with the theory of incarnation ...to begin with, where did the first life come from?
What a useless piece of advice on how to be kind! It is unbelievably impractical: sending kindness to the skies ??? It does literally nothing to those in need. It is soooooo abstract , couched in beautiful wording but in reality , requires nothing of you.
How can you ever end the vicious cycle if for one to "pay off" their carma, someone else should perpetrate the same crime supposedly committed by the former? It is nonsensical philosophy and only if one has not thought it through, could they wholeheartedly believe in it.
@@csmoviles The Buddha actually guided his son to become liberated and awakened (enlightened) like him. And the Buddha denounced and rejected the caste system which is a Hindu concept, not a Buddhist one. The Buddha didn't teach reincarnation. He taught rebirth (I won't go into the difference here). And there is no first life, that is the first thing he realized the night he became enlightened. We have been reborn since beginningless time, through countless expansions and contractions of the Universe. Awareness has no beginning nor end. And your second comment doesn't make sense.
Jose csmoviles,
I always thought that if you had done bad things, you must do good things to counteract this...not wait for someone else to do a bad thing...your comment doesn't make sense ro me either!
The main difference between Christianity and Buddhism as far as I am concerned is that Buddhism offers me tools that have greatly alleviated my suffering in this life. Praying to some probably imaginary deity that never answers did nothing for me. Discovering mindfulness mediation has been a life saver (literally literally because I was suicidally depressed back then). To practice Buddhist teachings and techniques, I have to take nothing on faith, I can verify everything myself and discard what does not work for me. Whether or not Siddhartha Gautama even existed as a historical person doesn't matter. What matters are the teachings which you can apply, and for doing so, you don't have to "convert", you just sit and observe your own consciousness. No doctrines, no dogma, no authority, none of that required.
In Asia, Buddhism is an organized hierarchical religion, not what we see in the west. It does have a dogma and plenty of doctrines. It's actually pretty restrictive. Also, you could still practice Christianity by yourself without going to church.
@@sofiagutierrez9706 I'm aware of that, and I have to say that am just as suspicious of Buddhist hierarchies as of Christian ones. However, the difference is, that you can practice all the essentials of Buddhism regardless of whether the historical buddha (Siddharta Gautama) even existed, said or did anything in particular. In the case of Christianity, if you don't believe that Christ was raised from the dead, then, according to Paul, you are definitely not a Christian. You can practise Buddhism without taking any historical fact on faith, but for Christianity this is out of the question.
For Buddhism to actually benefit me any my life, exactly nothing has to be true about the historical Buddha, or even about Karma and reincarnation. For Christianity, OTOH, the god that Christians believe in has to actually exist and have raised Jesus from the dead.
Someone once said, "If you believe suffering is the main enemy in your life, not sin, you are functionally Buddhist, not Christian."
Perhaps suffering and sin are one and the same?
If someone once says something, I’m not necessarily going to believe it. Just because someone says something, doesn’t make it true.
The correct term in Buddhism is "dukkha," which is poorly translated as "suffering."
@@leannaprather2258Very true, Buddha taught that un wholesome actions leaded to suffering mind states. Following a set of precepts, morals and values is one of the main practices as a Buddhist..
@@leannaprather2258 No they are not. Suffering is what happens to you. Sin is what you do.
I am a secular Buddhist. Which means I do not pray or worship the Buddha as a deity. I simply have to dissolve the lower self . I follow the eightfold path for it is my true nature. Buddhism is a philosophy based upon reality. I am actually a better Christian now by becoming my true Authentic self. You left out the majority of suffering also has to do with impermanence.
It’s just not desire it is craving. you guys left out a huge amount of the word dukkha. The word means more than just suffering it also means disappointment. Please do yourself a favor and research a little bit deeper.
Pretty interesting claim to say you are a better christian now as a secular Buddhist. Could you explain that?
Theravada Buddhists don’t worship him as a deity either. If they do, they are making a mistake. Buddha himself said he was only a man who “woke up” In Theravada we give respect and honour and bow in respect to Lord Buddha for his teachings. But he is not a god, the son of a god or a prophet of a god.
@@FIRE0KINGI agree. Buddhism was a catalyst to me understanding Jesus better. I am a practitioner of Christianity, Buddhism and Taoism.
Did you forget Jesus told us to leave our family behind and follow him. Some of the apostles had families they left in the dust.
16:48 there are two types of desire. chanda and tanha. One is desiring wholesome things, the other is desiring unwholesome things.
Desiring wealth is tanha while desiring liberation is chanda
I'd say, the proper translation is "craving", not "desire".
@@jochannan7379 I only used to the word they used to not cause confusion
I'm a Buddhist and a Christian.
Same here. I pray like a Christian and meditate like a monk. I learn from both traditions. I also practice some Taoist practices like QiGong. Take care 🙏☸️☯️☦️
You should actually debate a Buddhist or two. That's the only way to test your apologetics/polemics.
Jesus was a Buddhist Monk. He attained Maha Karuna Samapaththi when the soldiers were torturing him. That's a strong Samadhi. That's why he didn't die.
Very nice video brothers! God bless 🙏🏼
Thank you 🙌
Beyond ignorant. The full realization and experience that "Self" is an illusion IS Nirvana.
I would want to ask them about the removal of desire:
Shouldn't the first desire to address be; that the initial desire to correct or align ones karma, is in itself a desire, and the root of the desire to remove desire, and therefore be the first desire to need removed? Especially being, that you have no final control over your karma, much less awareness or implied control over your next life/cycle. It would seem (at a stretch), that by fully committing yourself to the desire of removing said desire, you would be negatively affecting the karmic cycle by creating an independent and isolatable focus and/or focal point, that would actually centralize a "self" (you'd be going the wrong direction( and any purposed direction would create disharmony anyway)).
Good luck with that.
You're making it sound complex when it is actually not that much...
Yes the desire to achieve Nirvana has to be let go at some point. But it's not one of the first desires to get rid of, it's more towards the "end" because at the beginning of your journey it is actually wholesome to aspire to goodness.
Also, karma does not mean determinism. You do have some degree of control over your path, that degree increases with your capacity to extinguish desire.
There are contradictions in Buddhism (between karma and non-self), but the points you raised are not those.
@@apologeticsofemptiness those are some great points to address by the way! It is exactly the reluctance to reflect and dig deeper into buddism and Hinduism that maintain people on the surface level of those absolutely flawed philosophies . Saying "it is not that complicated " is doing you a disservice. Please seek the truth , and it will set you free from you flesh desires , and instead will change your desires so that you'll feel the kind of peace and joy that this world ( nor buddism) can offer ! God bless!
@@apologeticsofemptiness I truly believe that is the most self exalted religion out there . All you do is to focus entirely on yourself , meditating for hours on end, emptying your mind , etc. It does virtually NOTHING good to the society or other people around you. You are to "radiate kindness over the world" , which is nothing but empty words. Nothing practical and constantly living in self denial about the true purpose of one's life. We are meant for so much more than just focusing all day on eradicating our desires.
@@csmoviles interesting how you're inviting me to seek the truth, when you are fine just throwing at me that you "truly believe" some misconception.
I guess that's thanks to the typical Christian sense of entitlement that comes from believing you hold the only truth because an illusory higher power gave it to you. I am happy I follow a teaching that doesn't indoctrinate me like that.
Again, as I said, there are contradictions in Buddhist teachings. Like they are in the Bible. The difference is, we Buddhists hold those dearly. Not only they are a safety net against fundamentalism, but they also require you to really think through what you hold as true.
@@csmoviles Most Buddhists believe that the ideal is to attain enlightenment but to renounce Nirvana and stay in Samsara in order to help all other beings to also become free of suffering. This is not focusing on the self nor is it merely 'radiating kindness.' Interestingly all Christian mystics and monks also seek to empty their minds in order to draw nearer to God, so it is funny that you would criticize that teaching. Also, the ultimate cause of desire is ignorance and so if one eliminates ignorance then suddenly desire is not an issue. Arguing that the desire to eliminate desire is just another desire is just a conceptual game that has nothing to do with the actual mechanism of the process.... but since you bring it up the desire for liberation is considered a wholesome desire which leads in the right direction.
Being free of the flesh desires is actually very simple for one who meditates. We know of a bliss which is beyond the senses, and perhaps you do as well if you are able to calm your mind from its compulsive habit of thinking uncontrollably. I think that perhaps in your hour of deepest darkest night of the soul you turned to prayer that actually calmed your mind for some moments that you tasted that same bliss and so you saw that as finding Jesus. Good for you! How can we speak of freewill if we cannot even control our minds, right?
JESUS is the one who call us and we are calling by him there is not other way but follow him
Great video! I have a suggestion on a world view to cover: RLDS-Restoration Branch. I live near Independence, MO, and have several friends who follow Joseph Smith’s teachings but reject Mormonism, and so it’s really difficult to pinpoint how to have conversations, etc.
Hey guys I'll be straight. I am a Buddhist and I did notice a few things that y'all said that does not really represent Buddhism well. HOWEVER. I Will not attack y'all and list all my grievances. The truth is, to us in the western world Buddhism is hard to understand. That is why we dedicate lifetimes to it. I appreciate that y'all were respectful and not blatantly hateful. I think y'all did your best and I'm proud that y'all made the effort.
Heh-heh... any Buddhist will just keep silent, let you spin your ego around his beliefs, and listen very nicely (making you sincerely believe you have defeated the Dharma) and then, after you are warm and content with your victory, he will go to his meditation corner and use the compassion he displayed toward you in order to advance his metta meditation practice. Basically, they use your own ego and suffering to progress toward the jhanas. ;)
The only reason Buddhism is not the biggest religion in the world is because it is the only religion that doesn't actively try convert people. Buddhists are told you lead by example and when you are asked about your virtuous qualities by others then you explain to people how you became the person that you are. It doesn't add up to bigger numbers but we all know inherently that it is the only way to operate as a morally and virtuous/religious person < Christians could really learn a thing or two from Buddhists in this regard.
Is there a website where we may obtain material to reason with Buddhists/Hindus?
yes its in your heart
Cold Case Christianity has some good stuff.
It’s difficult to reason with Buddhists, especially Theravada Buddhists, since the basic teachings of Buddhism make so much more good common sense than Christianity does.
@@robertwilliamson922 I chuckled, in a good sense 😂
If you are a Christian who would like to understand Buddhism this isn’t the video you’re looking for. The information here is largely wrong or misunderstood.
Such as...?
I think the main issue is the core of all forms of the Buddha Dharma which is Non-dualism.
Imagine an ocean and you are viewing it from a cliff. You see individual waves. The waves appear, climax and crash on against the cliff or shore. The waves have an apparent separateness and individuality, a life cycle and end. But they are never separate from the ocean, any individuality is an illusion, an operation of the whole ocean. We (The waves) are phenomena or patterns in ‘The All’ that come together and then dissipate. But nothing is lost as there was no separate thing present in the first place. And this is true for all phenomena that arise.
In Christian terms it would be that there is nothing but God, its is the only thing that exists. Our being is a facet of God. We experience dissatisfaction or suffering because of ignorance of the true nature of reality caused by the operation of our minds. Also the Abrahamic idea of God is limiting because it’s conceptualised. Things are separated and classified as God or not God, Godly or not Godly. A Buddhist God is so vast, so different from any analogy that it can’t be known or interpreted. So Gods aren’t relevant to the aim of Buddhism. Suffering is caused by the operation of the person’s mind due to ignorance of their true nature.
The Buddha was an ordinary man who examined the operation of ‘his’ mind and what it is. The Buddha shared his techniques for realisation that others have continued to develop further.
God changes our desire within us once we have submitted to His will. What an awesome God we serve 💖🙏💖🙏💖. Delight in your God and He will concede the desires of your heart. Totally runs counter to Hinduism and buddhism 🥳🥳🥳
So your father ignores you until you do what he says? Hmmm... not very compassionate, your god.
I delight in God, and meditation. They work good together.
As I am born Buddhist and become Irreligion but still respect Buddhist
The most annoying words is "Christian is fact"
No, Christian is the religion most detach from "fact" (actually Islam but let's say comparatively here). The concept of personal god and heaven and redemption is the most speculation and relatively far from fact than anything else
And instead, Most of the Buddhism teaching is about fact and mundane life. The real living world and value of being living. The things about nirvana and sangsara has many implication but in the end it just a response to Theistic world view. And the most confusing teaching that many don't understand is, you can enjoy the life without desiring or craving. You can still aspiring or wishing but you just don't need to desire for or yearn for. And you can view karma as deserving but don't need to be apathetic, instead Buddha teach about being metta and karuna, which tell you that, even other suffer from karma, you can still have compassion and love and goodwill, in fact it's also them and us good karma to be kind to each other and help each other
Understandably for you people to not touching Buddhism enough and only learn to communicate just for evangelizing though
We don’t want to talk to you. We are fine with our zen and meditation. I love Jesus but it is videos like this that keep me from being a Christian.
I believe that without the election of God, no one can come to the faith in Jesus. I am Chinese. By the grace of God, I received Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior at age 42 19 years ago. I read the Holy Bible and pray to the Lord daily. I now have true peace, joy and the assurance of salvation. Hallelujah. Thanks be to the Lord my God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Only Satan would define a God that created some humans for the purpose of sending them to hell. God elected all and they can refuse their election. We love Him because He first loved us.
Desire is not the problem in Buddhism. It's attachment that is the problem.
a lot of misinformation and disinformation
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This kind of shallow and inaccurate apologetics is exactly the reason modern Christianity is failing and church attendance is dying and thank god for that.
Plz make on Hinduism also
I think everyone has much to offer each other. May we all be free of suffering and be at peace.
Can you do one on how to reach Feminists ?
Indeed, be mindfulness equal to be consciousness surrounding environment we are in: 'zen' emphasized on our daily life is opportunity to finding the why we are here: 'zen' ultimate rewards is living life is the way to find the enlightenment, meaning be simplified version of each time we encountered the episode of space between the interger we are facing with imminent inescapable circumstances or situations, we are capable of rehash that is awakening moment.
My conclusion of Hinduism, Buddhism, paganism and all isms are the points directly derived from it.
Life is continuation whether you feel like you are stuck or not you still are in journey meaning you still are in journey of life.
We learned the Darwin theory of human evolution:
The gradual point of any circumstances is to go to the next level of whatever lifestyle you are in meaning this is the chance of opportunity to learn higher level from the prior to graduation from where you were.
This narration is to explained the Darwin evolution theory.
Having said that, we know the Hinduism theory so that we will know the Buddhism theory so we are final product of new civilization under God.
God is trying to tell us or teach us the summit point of view of each segment of life or graduated from prior conditions we were in.
Human beings are very curious of God's creation:
God created human being in likeness of God and images of God.
All religion is based on finding the purpose of life something higher than what we know so far. Therefore, we are longing to be like God that is why all these procreation to experiments anything and everything.
To make long thought process short I would share with anyone who is interested in 'why we are here' so here it is ; out of Hinduism Buddhism was born and out of Buddhism we are in final stage of the purpose which is the Christianity. Is the nativity of jesus coincidence From Hinduism? Then Buddhism and we are in final phase of purpose of metamorphosis in Christianity. Now we have chance to be with God when we are done on earth? Therefore, we shouldn't discriminate against any beliefs of its religion. Amen.
"Here is your script to make the sale"..
Dunning-Kruger Effect personified. If you examine someone else’s beliefs merely so you can argue against them, all you do is confirm your own prejudices and biases.
The statement is “All Suffering comes from Desire”, not “All Desire results in Suffering”.
Becoming buddha means to end cricle of suffering life if he rose from dead that will kill the point right there 🤨
As a christian i know a bit about buddhism and i respect its teaching on morality but i find the ultimate goal of buddhism is kinda...empty of any meaning i guess? I listened to many theravadin monks and they all said the ultimate goal of buddhist is cessation of existence or self (nibbana). And they said that is the ultimate bliss. Which is confusing how it is an eternal bliss if no one there to experience it??
'Yeshua' said other "men" have authority to forgive sins as well ('Matthew' 9:6, 8 confirmed in 'John' 20:23).
'Yeshua' never taught he's Deity, he taught his Father/Creator is the ONLY/mono True Deity/theos ('Joh' 17:3).
😂 trinitarian/traditional christianity is not monotheistic...
You mean Jesus right?
@@John3.36 Jesus is the Greek spelling of Yeshua, which is his actual name. Here is a Buddhist telling you Jesus's real name. lol.
Your understanding of BUDDHISM is the point tip of the whole ice mountain 🏔️ If you wanna talk about Buddhism, plz invite the Theravada Buddhists. Not just googled it and briefing from a point of view of a Christian. Buddhism is not as shallow as you see
You leaving out the part where siddartha told his students to remove desire from there life. This was to show them that this was an impossible task. Siddartha like the Dahli Lama also believe desire must be there
As a Buddhist practitioner I appreciate your will to explore but some of your conclusions are off base. For one the Buddha has sanctified desire. Words and ideas translated tend to get messy as they did from the Greek to English Bible. Again I appreciate your willingness to speak and explore the topic but you need to check some concepts on a deeper level again.
Buddhism doesn't say rely on self, there is a doctrine of no-self in no-self in buddhism. Christianity: Death is final - what happened to eternal life "through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23)?
Awesome video
16:30 the desire that make you happy, that's the point. that told you are clinging on it. sure when you fulfill desire it will make you happy. but it still make you worries about it dissappear, but it will anyways. that's the cause of suffering. Buddha didnt't teach to not joy to your happiness but not hold or clinge or spare it. joy and mindful every moment.
key is
meditation build your mind
mindful make you wisdom.
wisdom make you understand cause and result.(karma)
cause and result lead to compassion.
compassion lead to forgiveness.
and forgiveness erase suffering from your mind.
16:54 just like how to forget you can't try to forget to forgot. life start with full of desires. and then inject desire to get rid all of desires, just like Antibiotics. the end even antibiotics will disappear.
Any Christian who wants to understand real teachings of Buddha go for 'Vipassana retreat'
This will bring you close to the real Jesus. it's a free 10-days retreat funded by donations. You lose nothing. But make sure God sent the truth in different forms, so go there not just to negate it but to learn with a critical mind. This life is short and make the most out of it.
Bless you all
I ate with the Gyoto monks and met the dali lama 2 times one time he put a prayer cloth on my neck the other time we prayed together for an hour I was just being myself I told him that I belive in Jesus ,,it was not a problem
What do you mean you believe in Jesus? These gentlemen are true Christians because they're helping believers do what the Christ commanded ALL Christians to do-the great commission(Matthew 28:16-20). If you love Christ you'll do as He says(John 14:16). And if you love your neighbor as you love yourself(Mark 12:31) you will warn unbelievers of what will happen if they don't accept Christ as their saviour(John 3:36).
@@Thalitatiel what do you mean ? what do I mean saying,,you belive in jesus ?Im not sure what your implying
@@merlinidlehands3302 I'll give you an example. When I say I believe in Jesus, what I mean is, I believe everything He said. I believe the Bible is the Word of God and I try to emulate Christ. Some people who say they believe in Jesus don't believe in the Bible and they hold ungodly beliefs eg they support homosexuality, abortion etc.
@@Thalitatiel Sorry but I still dont see what your saying to ME about all this?did I say something to make you think Im not a christian?
@@Thalitatiel why dont you just come out and say it....YOU dont think Im a beliver in jesus and dont obey Him ?you are judging me and I dont agree with you sorry but I didnt start with thses folks are good and your bad merlin which is pretty much what your trying to sau BUT dont have enough courage to LOL its Ok Im used to it
There are many upset Buddhist in the comments. I think in some parts the hosts are positive about Buddhism, and in some places they are negative. They are engaging with Buddhism at a surface level, and there criticisms of the religion are not the best as a result of that. However, I think we need to accept these people where they are at. If you want to hear Buddhists discuss Buddhism at a deeper level or you want to hear deeper analysis, there are TH-cam channels focused on that. These guys are making a video for a Christian audience, and I don't think they are being as inflammatory as the people in the comments think they are being. We should show them the compassion of the Buddha. Let these men find their own path whether that be as Christians or Buddhists or anything else. Peace be upon them.
The upset Buddhists in question: "lol, you got, like, everything wrong. That's chill though good luck with whatever it is you do."
How do you have the arrogance to read a "Buddhism 101" book and then act like you know what you're talking about?
I'm not a Buddhist, but boy do I know a thing or two about it.
And let me tell you, some people should just keep their mouths shut.
My buddhist friends, ask Ashin Wirathu about buddhist compassion...
how to talk with this or that who is different? I dont get it JUST Love them and be honest!
Yes, love them and be honest, but there is a distinction between a wise, tactful way to witness to them, versus a tactless way of presenting the truth to them. The Truth is the same, and Christ is the only ones who saves, but *how* you present the truth to people certainly has an effect on how they receive it.
We are to learn about other philosophies and religions in order to refute them first, and then effectively witness to those lost souls. Paul did just love them but he would engage in conversations explaining as to why one's belief was flawed.
I like you Merlin. You seem to really embody the true meaning of love that Jesus teaches.
@@thehiddenyogi8557 YOU Must be kidding but thanks for the good words , Im the Least of Jesus friends lol
@@merlinidlehands3302 Yes, it is a hard act to follow. Jesus knew why he came to earth. That is why he did not have to make the mistake of getting married, being the father of a child and then leaving wife and child for good, to save his soul.
Hay thanks bros! I have maybe not another worldview but could you maybe help me out with the Sumerian cuneiform tablets ie enki enlil and how/if/why the difference in the narrative as my family member is basically convinced the start of Genesis is an borrowed allegorical tale because of the supposed age of the tablets.
Thank you for this video. I almost fell into this Christianity trap again and this really opened my eyes.
Well, I appreciate your ideas of the Buddhism but there are a lot of things you've misunderstood when you talked about Buddhism. Everything you have mentioned is just the surface of the true meaning of Buddhism. One of them is suffering is bad because nothing last forever. Buddha's teaching can be proven by science and Christianity can not be proven by any facts.
Buddhism want to remove desire in order to remove suffering, but yet desire to be in nirvana and you can't so you still suffer.. It is not possible to remove desire, so Buddhist suffer forever :)
It is wrong to say Buddhists desire to be in nirvana, nirvana is the extinction of all desire, even the desire to reach it.
But it's true Buddhists suffer forever, I mean... That's the basic definition of Samsara :)
@@apologeticsofemptiness great… Buddhist suffers forever, then why be one lol… it is better to be a Christian hahahah
@@kelzaroute I was kind of joking because Samsara is indeed said to be a suffering without beginning or end. So technically we have already been suffering forever :)
But the Dharma (teachings of the Buddha) provide a method to end / exit suffering (realize Nirvana).
@@apologeticsofemptiness how to end/exit? Thru removal of desire?? Then what is the point of living in the first place.. To come to suffer then end up with nothingness... This kind of believe is just a way of escaping, irresponsible.
You know what Buddha did in order to reach so call Nirvana?
@@kelzaroute I think you are putting the effect before the cause. It's not like you become a Buddhist, decide to remove all desire from your life, then live like a desireless zombie until you die and exit samsara. 😱
First, because that would require an insane level of faith in the outcome. But mainly because you cannot just remove all desire like that, as if this was a switch you could just turn off. 😉
The rooting out of desire is the end result of a journey, not its starting point. And the journey is full of interesting steps (imho).
It starts by learning how your actions affect others, and yourself, and how to live an ethical life, with compassion and generosity. It proceeds in learning how to work with your mind to inquire its nature, to get rid of delusion and understand your desires (to be able to unroot them). And it evolves into a deep investigation on the true nature of reality. Some of the steps of this investigation are said to provide immense joy (I personally only got a glimpse of that).
Some Buddhist schools would argue it require getting out of society and life an ascetic life. Some others (like Zen Buddhism), argue that by doing so it is impossible to really understand yourself and reality because you would miss an understanding of life in all its colors.
One thing that draws people into Buddhism, is that this path doesn't necessarily require faith to begin with (you get it along the way), and is laid out in great details (some of it you have to discover yourself through practice). The foundation of it is called the Noble Eightfold Path.
Edit: I think I am pretty aware of what the Buddha did to achieve Nirvana, happy to answer any question on that matter.
Oh dear - a Buddhist life is one lived in fact, unlike a Christian life. This was fun to listen to but as a person born in one and now practicing another of these two religions, you guys get a lot wrong. I suggest you change your title How to LISTEN to a________• This way, you might better understand and respect others rather than working so hard to convert. Please explain how a god born from a virgin who could turn water into wine, raise people from the dead, walk on water and eventually floated off into the heavens is grounded in fact. Buddha was not a magician, like your Christ. A Buddhist does not pray to a vending machine in the clouds and hope he/she is good enough to deserve the candy. Cool story, bros
Bobby’s getting the Karma versus Bobby worships a conscious God who is happy to watch him suffer? What? You got that very, very wrong.
So the claim is that Christianity is less made up than Buddhism??? All religions and gospels are equally man made. At least Buddhism is a society friendly, non preaching one.
I also did a 3 hour radio interview with the leader of a place in Santa Cruz Ca. called the Land of Medicin Budda
You DO have to get rid of the desire to get rid of the desire lmao Its literally what the buddha did before reaching enlightenment.
Just about every video of Buddhism that Christians make is rife with mistakes. I'm glad you guys are atleast trying though, respect.
Well, you built a straw man that you then compared, analyzed and demolished. One of the advantages of such a long misinformed harangue is that nobody has either the time or the patience to engage with it. If you are happy with your religious life, than I applaud you. You will never convince or convert anyone through engaging with them from an ignorant perspective. Just be happy in your faith and practice it. Buddhists that need “saving” will come to you.
You mock the sroty of Buddha because it is hard to believe but it is very easy to believe that Mary was a virgin and had then son of god becausenof the “holy spirit” ok
God never say i am god bro follow me.but devil always say a im your got N believe me trust me
You can't read a book on the basics of Buddhism and do a really just representation. There are so many gaps and misinformation in this interview. I've been a buddhist for 20 years (and still a long way to go, practice and learn) and can with confidence say you don't know what you're talking about. Only pointing things to your Christian advantage and lying all the way through. Plus, Tina Turner's practice was Nicherism which doesn't represent the original historic Buddha, just a self proclaimed "enlightend" monk with his own distorted personal ego trip philosophy.
My man’s ears on left look like the Buddha’s.
Y'all need a real, practicing Buddhist to explain these concepts to you. You are mistaken in many areas, unfortunately. You'll have to dig a little deeper. So, we have no suffering if we become a Christian, in this life? Buddhism denies meaning in life??? Nope.
Hey I'm a Buddhist.☸️ I am the way, and the truth, and the life, Follow me.
What a bunch of BS
Jesus, what a bunch of crap 🙄
Jokers 😂😂
Job’s three friends must have been Buddhists. They engaged in blaming Job for being the victim of suffering. They offered no real escape from suffering other than “WORK HARDER, you must have done something WRONG.” They sure didn’t care about Job’s FEELINGS 😢
Neither is a facts then, or both is a fact/Historical.
😂 'Yeshua' didn't do any Miracles either, Elohim did it all "THROUGH" him (Acts 2:22).
No he didn't, he taught salvation by keeping the commandments/Torah for all "nations" for all time ('Matthew' 19:17 + 28:19-20).
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Life is suffering because eventually you lose everything you think u own
there are no God u can pray all you want at the end you have to work and feed your family no God will make u money
Check out this wiki article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity if you are open and willing to expand your understanding that can include both Christianity and Buddhism. In this article you will learn that Buddhism was practiced in both the Greek and Roman empires in Egypt, Syria, Greece, thanks to the Greeks and the Silk Road and emperor Ashoka of India. Just read the article.
As a Buddhist I must say you have a very simple understanding of Buddhism and don't really understand or represent what we value and believe in your video. But that is okay. Be Christian and leave Buddhism to Buddhists! As a Buddhist my view of Jesus is that he is a bodhisattva, I have utmost love and respect for Jesus.
The happiness the Buddha taught is not the worldly happiness of being successful and having a happy family, but true unconditioned happiness that nothing can take away, and that has no conditions. According to Buddhism, even heaven is a conditioned happiness and is not permanent. Desire isn't the ultimate cause of suffering, the 'three poisons' of ignorance, desire, and aversion are the causes, and the ultimate cause is ignorance. Ignorance is the opposite of awakening, or as you say: enlightenment. Ignorance of the true nature of self and reality is the cause of desire. But not ALL desire. The desire to become free of the fetters and to attain ultimate awakening (or enlightenment as you say) is a wholesome desire which liberates, not an unwholesome desire which leads to suffering and frustration.
As for unwholesome desires, even if you get what you want you still aren't satisfied, because suddenly you desire the next thing. If only I could get a promotion, if only I could pay off my mortgage, if only I could afford another vacation, if only I could afford a better car. Even if you get what you want, desire doesn't stop. Of course, not getting what you want also causes suffering. And so does getting what you don't want. The flip side of desire is aversion. So really it is desire/aversion: two sides of the same coin. But there is a third side: ignoring. We ignore that which we neither desire nor have aversion for, and that is a symptom of ignorance.
I am not trying to convert you. Just trying to educate you on a subject that you are invested in misunderstanding and misrepresenting. I fully support you to follow Jesus Christ's teachings and to follow in his footsteps since many of us Buddhists also view Jesus as a bodhisattva, or a fully awakened one who stays in Samsara to benefit all beings unconditionally. And yes, we view everything from heaven to hell and everything in between as Samsara.
In my view, Christianity is what you get when you teach Buddhism to Jews, which is what Jesus did, in my opinion. Christianity and Buddhism can be complementary. Us Buddhists recognize that. It is a shame that Christians are so antagonistic and lack any tolerance or willingness to understand any nuance of other people's faith. As if everybody has to be the same as you or else they are evil or at least sinners going to Hell.
May all sentient beings have happiness and its causes,
May all sentient beings be free of suffering and its causes,
May all sentient beings never be separated from bliss without suffering,
May all sentient beings be in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and anger.
I love you!
"But you have to desire to Nirvana so it makes no sense!"
Why do you think this is some kind of profound gotcha moment? Buddha himself answered this. You will convert no one with these boneheaded takes.
Also you do the same thing you typically do which is rapid fire a bunch of unprovable claims rooted in myths and legends.
Enjoy your decline.
I will never worship a dead man name buddha i rather worship the livin Christ who raise from the dead by God…..only Jesus Christ can give us eternal life in heaven not buddha
@BADSHAH GEMER d u have proof show me proof me that Jesus Christ travel to India and learn buddhism because I know for a fact Jesus Christ did not learn anything about buddhism BOODA do not believe in creator God…….anybody who worship that dead man name BOODA is gonna burn in hell just like BOODA…..Jesus Christ is the real Lord not BOODA….Jesus Christ is the only way into heaven not BOODA……Jesus Christ raise from the dead by God…..Jesus Christ is greater than BOODA