BRS 3000T Ultralight Stove - Still King in 2023?
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- Is the BRS stove still the king of ultralight and budget stoves in 2022. At $16.95 US for 0.9oz(25g) stove it's hard to beat after years of use.
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I made a little stove comparison:
BRS-3000 (24g) (~0.9oz)
Soto Micro Regulator Stove (70g) (~2.5oz)
Soto Windmaster - with 3-leg support (67g) (~2.4oz)
The question: How much gas is used to boil 500ml (~2.11 cups) of water
10 runs
i used well water
The speed was not important to me at first, it was about the effectiveness.
The same pot was used for all experiments.
Result:
With 10 runs, the average consumption per run was as follows:
BRS-3000: 11.8g (~0.42 oz) gas
Soto Micro Regulator Stove: 8.8g (~0.31oz) gas
Soto Windmaster: 7.9g (~0.28oz) gas
First of all, this means that the Soto Windmaster (under ideal conditions) only makes up for the weight advantage of the BRS-3000 after about 11 passes. The Windmaster is 43g (~1.52oz) heavier, but saves 3.9g (~0.14oz) of gas per pass. Could add up in the long run.
I was positively surprised by the consistency of the results with the Windmaster. After 5 out of 10 runs I wanted to stop because 5 times in a row I used 8g (~0.28oz). So the rusults were very consitant.
With the BRS, the result varies more (11-14g)
That's where the essential difference becomes obivious:
When setting up the experiment, I operated all stoves WITH wind protection to minimize external interference.
With the Soto Windmaster, however, I had the impression that this would not have been necessary at all.
With the BRS-3000, on the other hand, it makes a huge difference when the wind blows.
If you take in account the necessary wind protection and a lighter (the Soto models come with Piezo ignition) as possibly necessary for the BRS-3000, the supposed weight advantage is put into perspective.
Conclusion: The BRS-3000 definitely has its right to exist, especially on short nice-weather tours or short distances (like Day hikes). For longer (multi-day) tours or adverse weather, nothing beats the Windmaster.
Very well spoken, thoughtful observations regarding the BRS-3000 & the Soto Windmaster (also my favourite top mount canister stove). You certainly have a fair amount experience from the sounds of your comment & experiments/comparisons with different stoves. Comments like yours that add to the value of the video are the only reason I even bother to read any of them. So much negativity & little to no useful information in the comments. Both this video from Outdoor Adventures & your comment were worthwhile. Cheers.
I used the BRS on quite a few trips then switched to the Windmaster. After weeks on the BMT I became tired of installing the Tri pot support each time and came close to losing it. I sold it and switched to the Soto Amicus and though subjective the Amicus seems to take a bit longer for a boil but the Attached pot supports are worth it for me. I've come to love having a piezo igniter and discovered just recently they are replaceable. The Amicus fits my 750 Ti pot just a tad easier than the Windmaster as it is shorter. The additional weight over the BRS is something I can live with.
Most of the perceived problems with the BRS derive from people running it full blast . If you keep the flame low enough, so that it doesn't extend past the sides of the pot, the BRS is quite efficient. The thing is that you can turn the flame up very high indeed with the BRS. No regulator and quite unrestricted flow for such a small burner head . Flame up the sides of the pot is not efficient. Heat rises. Using a low flame, keeping the heat source under the pot base, takes twice as long, or longer, but why would you be in such a hurry when you're out on a hike? I have an expensive Soto windmaster as well as the BRS. Did lots of testing with a balance and fix volumes of water. The BRS was more efficient than the windmaster with a 600ml evernew titanium pot. There was no difference in efficiency with a wider diameter 900ml evernew pot. So long as the flame on both stoves, was kept under the pot. That's due to the burner head size to pot diameter ratio. The small burner head of the BRS concentrates the heat better. Note that the super efficient jetboil stash also doesnt have a regulator, but you can't turn it up high. It has restricted flow. It does have heat collecting fins underneath, but it is also a wide pot. I bought the windmaster to replace the BRS but still use the BRS because it packs away neatly in the pot, along with everything else; and since I mostly take along the 600ml pot, more efficient. The 600ml pot is wider than it is tall, but it is close enough to cup shape to use it as a cup. Makes it preferable to the 900ml evernew. I always use a windsheild. Whatever is handy.
Omg I just watched Gear skeptic’s video on this and it corroborates your point so well I might just go with the BRS and set it to low heat and get a wind shield.
just use whatever is to hand. Sit pad , food bag, backpack, nearby rock, yourself. @@sweetdumpling8798
Thank you very much for that elaborate story and sort of protocol. Exactly what I needed
I had the brs but switched to the jetboil, I just love being able to store my cookware inside the container and not looking for it in my pack. I do miss the brs just because of weight and simplicity but the jetboil solves most of them problems. Love your videos. Looking forward to the series.
Welcome back great video
I have a BRS, because you recommended it! And it’s working great for me. I have a friend with a jet boil, and it’s quite fancy compared to mine. But I love how light and compact the BRS is. No problems so far!
Love my brs, it’s bomber and has lasted me about 4-5 years now with no issues. I think I have always made provisions to shield my stove in any windy situations regardless of make or model. I have recommended the brs to a dozen friends who also all use it, it works without any hiccups and is worth every penny. My recent stove of choice however is the Soto amicus and I love it, boils fast, it’s great in all categories such as simmering, fuel burn, boil times… and best of all it has an igniter on it but it’s crazy hot to touch long after I use it because it’s stainless, definitely something I never had an issue with using the brs. Great video and glad to see the brs is still a topic after years of use.
I have the brs3000t and love it! My wife just got one for herself literally yesterday. We use titanium windscreens and never had any problems with it. Been above treeline a few times with it. Wind was pretty strong but with windscreen and strategically placed backpacks, it still worked great! So, for us, they are awesome. I did have a friend melt one down before but he was literally trying to boil a gallon of water. Water did get almost what you could call hot when the stove melted and the pot fell off. Wish we still had the video because I would share the link. Yes, he did this on purpose. Funny scientific experiment!
I've had one for 5+ years and its still the lightest and does what I need it to do.
Still got mine from like 2015! Great little stove!
I have a BRS 3000 but I rarely use it anymore. I went back to using an alcohol canister stove. After experimenting with a few, including a couple I made myself, I settled on the Brasslite Turbo 2D stove which I found to be a good compromise between size and weight. Works a charm, and it's only 2.6oz, very simple, and yet has a functional simmer sleeve that works a lot better than anything I could have come up with myself. And it's perfect for pots with a 4" to 6" bottom diameter.
Hi Frozen 👋 Thank you, appreciate you my friend 🙏 been using a Glacier camp stove for quite some time, a little large, but like it👍Stay safe and take care my friend ✌️ 🙏
Got a Kovea stove for the last 40 years, never let me down !
Good straight up, no muss no fuss video on the ubiquitous BRS-3000 canister stove.
My BRS 3000 i buy 3 years ago still good until now thanks you info nice video
Hi! I have BRS for about 3 years now? And I just love it :)))
I've used my BRS-3000 a few times over the years. No negative issues. It does take longer to boil water than my GoTo stove: Soto Windmaster. And it isn't as fuel efficient as the Soto WM. Even though it is in my inventory, I still almost always go back to the Soto Windmaster for my trips. The longer the trip, the more the fuel efficiency comes into play & makes up for the initial weight penalty.
BRS is my choice for fitting my entire cook kit in my 550mL pot. I also use a 4gr diy titanium foil windscreen that wraps around my pot and has worked exceptionally well in sustained wind.
I started with a cheap stove from Amazon that included an igniter, but the last couple of seasons I've enjoyed a DIY alcohol stove made from the top & bottom of a small redbull can. (I have a larger canister stove where the canister attaches via a hose. This stove is a good size if I want to cook something in a small fry pan)
Great little stove if one only needs to boil water. It is my go to stove right now.
I’ve got the brs plus several other stoves. I call this stove a boiler because that is what it is intended to do just boil water. Some of my other stoves have a much larger flame base and do a better job of distributing heat evenly but if all you are going to do is boil water, it’s hard to beat the brs. I bring some foil for a wind screen on all my stoves which helps the brs.
I use a Jetboil minimo and love it due to versatility and how simple it is.
You can minimize fuel consumption by a lot if you have the BRS on a very low setting. Also a full boil typically isn't needed for freezer bag cooking or rehydrating a MH. Thanks for the video & happy trails!
Love mine. Did have to de-gunk it last year but it was like new after wiping it down with some brake-kleen.
I have a similar one with a peizo starter and paid about $11 for mine. All the points you reviewed are true of mine as well. I love it and have had no issues with it!
Great review as usual. Hope your year is going well!!
Fred it's been a real busy year for me but going well overall. Work kinda kickin my butt recently. Baby has been a lot easier than work.
@@FrozensAdventures Hope work improves so you can enjoy the rest of life! Take care my friend. Always enjoy your videos!
Hey man great video. I have always been a jetboil man, especially hiking with Missy all the time.
But it might be time to change. Lighter is better, but I love the boil speed of the jetboil.
Ditched my BRS for a Soto windmaster. Very happy with it in every way
Lots of love for the Soto windmaster in here!
Been rocking my original BRS for about 4 years now! Been an awesome stove!
I probably have close to 100 trail days on it and it’s still going strong.
Full disclosure though, I did switch out my trusted BRS for a Soto Windmaster for my upcoming trip, just to see if it measures up to the hype...
Fuel economy and performance in wind are certainly the Achilles heel of the BRS, easily mitigated as you said with a log, rock, or your sit pad, but it’s still annoying.
still with you bro
Recently Switched to the Campingmoon XD-2F a hybrid between a Soto Windmaster 4 and the MSR Pocket Rocket deluxe. Definitely not as light as the BRS but the limited tests i've done so far have me impressed, efficiency wins for me these days with the price of fuel set to go up. Super quiet no turbojet engine noises and relatively light versus some of the other ones i have, supposed to have a pressure regulator like those two as well and a piezo igniter built-in.
Yeah, one of the great stoves out there.
I have brs 3000, never had a problem, I have 6 double-sided 85ml espresso shot cups for it and a foldable wind protector. Never had an issue, not even on a windy day on the beach. windscreen is the key. The smallest one, 14cm, or 5 inch, simple one works perfectly. So my hiking coffee kit is: brs, small (100ccm) gas canister, 6 stainless steel double-sided insulated 85ml espresso shot cups, 14cm windscreen, and a pot. Inside the pot I can fit 2 of those cups, gas canister, brs, and small ziplock bag with enough Turkish coffee for 6 cups (I like it strong so it is a lot of coffee), and a foldable teaspoon. On the side, I have a windscreen which is 7.5x14cm folded, and 4 extra cups. If I know it will be only me and my wife and will not be windy, I only take the basic kit in the pot. If I know there are going to be more people I take the 4 cups, and if it could be windy I also take the windscreen. I also have a small plastic jar for coffee, if I need to take more than for one pot. I found that best compromise between stainless steel pot conductivity and titanium lightness is aluminium. It is also affordable. You can put such a kit together for $50-$100. I got it all from Israeli company, they sell the basic kit as Pakal Micro icamp.co.il/product/micro-pakal/ It was made so it would fit in a combat vest pouch, and they sell also the accessories, 4 extra cups icamp.co.il/product/4-%d7%9b%d7%95%d7%a1%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%a0%d7%99%d7%a8%d7%95%d7%a1%d7%98%d7%94-%d7%93%d7%95%d7%a4%d7%9f-%d7%9b%d7%a4%d7%95%d7%9c%d7%94-85-%d7%9e%d7%9c-%d7%a9%d7%a8%d7%95%d7%95%d7%9c/, windscreen icamp.co.il/product/%d7%9e%d7%92%d7%9f-%d7%a8%d7%95%d7%97-compact/ and mini backgammon, because in IDF reserves, that's how you hurry up and wait, coffee and backgammon icamp.co.il/product/%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a0%d7%99-%d7%a9%d7%a9-%d7%91%d7%a9/ IDF learned the custom from its beduin trackers, brew turkish coffee in a place with a great view. That coffee will be the best tasting coffee you ever had.
I’ve got an Optimus Crux for the rare times I want to use an isobutane stove. Most of the time I use my tried-and-true Trangia spirit burner with a Trail Designs Fissure Ti-Tri. This gives me a dual-fuel setup (alcohol or twigs) and works great.
I put my Trangia in my Tomshoe small titanium twig stove for a windscreen. Can't find the butane mix cannisters anywhere except online for $25 each plus $10 shipping.😲
I've been using Fancy Feast for the past two years. Works fine here in Florida and on a trip to Great Smokey Mountains NP trip in March 2021.
I love my fancee feast
And 1 more vote for the fancee feast!
I like that this fits in my 550ml cup with my fuel. Also love that I can simmer with it. I’m ditching my heavy jet boil.
Most people ditch the jet boil after a while. Welcome to the Dark Side!
I use the Jetboil MightyMo stove. It works great!
My brs stove has served me really well and I’ve been surprised at the longevity I’ve got from it. The only catch is that I live in Scotland which can be very windy so depending where I am hiking I sometimes take the hit on weight savings and switch it out for the Soto Windmaster.l which is far superior in windy conditions.
I've never had any issues with my BRS. Similar to you, I'm only boiling water. I picked up a pocket rocket on sale recently, so I'll likely give it a good go, but I imagine that I'll be returning to the BRS before too long.
I go with the original MSR Pocket Rocket. I am glad your BRS has lasted but decided to go with something slightly studier and larger support base. Also, for fuel efficiency, using the Pocket Rocket at less than full throttle gets several more boils out of a canister, even though it takes a little longer per boil. But one canister vs two on a trip well worth it.
I think that's my next one. Possibly fancee feast for the PCT
Msr pocket rocket is my stove of choice its boil time is almost the same as a jet boil BUT I can simmer and control the flame to actually cook the bacon and eggs
Just replaced my old BRS stove with a new one... For two years the BRS was my only stove for dozens and dozens of meals. I LOST my old one, so whoever finds it should have a perfectly functioning system!
I use the soto windmaster its a great little stove
Gas stove efficiency in real life is actually less of a concern, for thru-hikers at least. Tests have shown fuel efficiency for the BRS is actually not too bad if you run it at about 40% (rather than full blast). No stove is at all fuel efficient at full blast, not even the fabled Jetboil stoves!
As a solo hiker just boiling water and rehydrating in ziplock bags: with a BRS and a tiny 550ml pot (into which the canister and the stove will fit) I can make 1 small canister last 12-14 days, so I'm more than covered for any typical resupply scenario.
Regarding its susceptibility to wind: I’ve had a BRS for years and never had a problem shielding it from the wind without a wind shield. I use a rock as a windshield, or a log , or my pack, or my sit-mat, or any combination of the above. The secret is to become your own "Master of the Wind"!
Got the igniter model. Bought a folding windscreen.
I like the Optimus Vega (6.25 oz) granted that is 4 X as heavy, but you can invert the fuel in cold weather to burn liquid instead of gas vapor and as it gets low. Also, have a pocket rocket and generic PR knock off, both are good.
I liked my BRS until it died after only 2 years. Tried replacing the gaskets in the field and at home to no avail. I picked up an Optimus Crux Lite for $30 a few months ago, so about twice the BRS price, and hoping it will last at least 4 years.
I've had for Snow Peak Giga Power since about '95.
I went with the MSR Pocket Rocket 2 when REI had them on sale. I wanted to make sure I had something reliable. Some of the bad reviews of the BRS made my decision.
i used an Etekcity city stove for years. It never let me down even after it got soaking wet once (my bad i left it out in the rain!!). It has its own igniter on it which is a real bonus ... pros are its cheap (currently sold as a Reehut stove for $11.99 on Amazon) has an inbuilt igniter, boils water fast has a decent flame control valve and has its own plastic carry case. Cons --- pot stand is tiny so you definitely need it on level ground, not great in windy conditions and its LOUD! but frankly as a first stove coming into backpacking you cant beat it!!
Was unaware of this stove!
I also use the Etekcity stove. I keep thinking one day I’ll need to replace it with a “better” stove … but it’s great, does everything I need and keeps on going. One of those hidden gems you find here and there ~
@@paisley8519 … the igniter did stop working on me once but i found out what it was an made a short repair video …. very simple and works a charm …. atb Dave Mc
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The only BRS I've seen on the AT was in a hiker box. The Pocket Rocket 2 is the most popular.
Jason!
Thank you for adjusting the background music 🙏🏻
Perfectly balanced that it doesn’t pull me out of listening to your dialogue.
Great review too btw!
Making a note of the decibels!
Have a BRS for 2 years now no issues. It is a little on the loud side but so am i...
I used for 2 JMT and multiples backpacking trips. Worked great but after 1 year the flames goes over the place so I have to replace it
I loved this stove on my 2021 AT Thru hike. It worked flawlessly and boiled water at a very reasonable rate. I saw a lot of expensive and much heavier stoves being used but I preferred my cheap, lightweight stove which nested well within my Toaks pot. Recommend this stove!!! Water Doc SOBO21
Could you do a review of the BRS comparing to the Outsmart ultralite please?
I've had original pocket rocket for close to 10 years. Still works great. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Totally!
I use flatcat gear windscreen with mine
I had a BRS stove and the 2nd time I used it one of the pot supports failed/bent and dumped my pot of nearly boiling water all over. I will never trust this stove again.
trying to light cook stove in the wind on trail is hard
BRS for hot weather. Propane single burner for cool / cold weather.
Fancy Feast burner I made myself is my favorite. Otherwise I have a Pocket Rocket. Butane burners are great but I can’t get 200 locally.
My fancee feast is my favorite as well.
Brs with toaks 550 ml pot all I need .
I have a question that has been bothering me for a long time and I can't find the answer. On the one hand, I keep reading/hearing that the cartridge should not be exposed to high temperatures. On the other hand, the burner (especially the one screwed onto the cartridge) heats up to very high temperatures and is in direct contact with the cartridge. The problem especially concerns small burners from China, such as the BSR3000. I always have concerns and fear in the back of my mind. Please explain.
I had one but sold it. Didn't like it at all. Took ages to get the water boiling and very bad in the wind.
Hey frozen, I've got a wide strip of aluminum flashing to block wind for mine
Careful about wind screens, apparently there have been cases where they make the fuel canister too hot and it explodes.
Hi there, thanks for you video and the explanation, i have a question for you ..
would i be able to take it apart form the gas can everytime i use it?
if yes is there a gas leaking while you do this operation?
Yes, you can
I've used my BRS only once so far and had difficulty with the flames heating up the valve handle. What am I missing here?
My preferred gas can stove is a Primus in the field, or a tall Coleman 16oz at a picnic table.
Is your pot a large diameter?
Leaked and caught on fire. Dangerous!
Have a brs, think it’s great. I keep it as a backup inside the Stanley 2 cup set. I just don’t use it much, I suppose. I’ve gone to alcohol stoves in recent times. 👌
Ditto! Sometimes I also throw in my Esbit Solid Fuel stove
Same here. You can't find the butane mix cannisters or the green Coleman propane cylinders in stock anywhere. In California they just passed a law, no more denatured alcohol for sale. Been using crappy rubbing alcohol and Heet from the automotive department.
@@flynnstone3580 interesting, why no more denatured alcohol? That said, HEET is great. Find that it burns super hot with zero soot.
Use a heavier grade of aluminum foil as a wind block.
Most of these little camp stove are on sale everywhere because there's no butane mix cannisters to be found, everybody is out. Even the green 1lb. Coleman propane cylinders. Walmart has been out for a while now. They sell both online for $25 each plus $10 shipping.😲
I was unaware. That sucks especially while prepping for another thru hike.
@@FrozensAdventures I bought 6 of the larger butane mix two months ago with no problem, now none in sight. So I've been saving them and using my Trangia. Then found out they stopped selling denatured alcohol here in California. Now using cheap rubbing alcohol and expensive Heet for the automotive department. Can't use my Tomshoe Titanium because of the fire danger here. I like the alcohol stoves because they're quiet and not a giveaway.
I have that same fan, do you use it in your hammock too?
No it's actually for our baby stroller lol
@@FrozensAdventures well my wife says the same thing, but......
My BRS uses 8 gm of fuel to boil two cups. My Soto only uses 5 gm to boil two cups
Sounds about right.
It’s my go to, but from time to I use a cat can alcohol.
Hi Frozen, I thought that you are a hammock type of guy, what's up with the tents lately?
I'm both now. Started using a tent in preparation for my PCT thru hike in 2024. Found a sleeping pad that is awesome.
@@FrozensAdventures Hey, sounds like a winner. Check out the Ozark Highland Trail for a 7-day warmup.
Can it rest a 12 ounce cup?
It's good for 95m diameter vessels and up
Esbit titanium wing stove
I have it from many years ago. It's just ok. Don't like the smelly cubes. Don't like the cleanup.
A fan, even at low speed isn't a light wind
This one is trust me it has 14 different speeds.
"Nothing comes remotely close to it?"
BRS
Bruh, really small
For metric friends 😂 so 99% of all people out there. The stove is excellent - using one on over 50 bike packing till now. Perfect bang for buck!