The Apple Barrel Industry - Shingle & Stave Mill in Production
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- This video shows the milling process of making heads and staves for making traditional apple barrels. The process of making a barrel head starts with a junk of pine first cut to ¾ of an inch by the shingle and head saw. It's then planned and sent to the head rounding saw which finishes it by cutting a circular pattern in the boards and cutting it's bevelled edge.
The process of sawing a stave first begins with the spruce log being rolled off the slip and into the mill where it's cut to various lengths depending on the barrel stock needed. After being cut it's piled and then sent through the stave saw which cuts out the stave and gives it its curve. After leaving the stave saw each stave is then ran through the jointer which cuts off the rough edges and leaves the center wider which gives the barrel its bulge. The staves are then stacked outside the cooperage and allowed to dry before being used in the production of a barrel.
Toured this farm and saw it in action. The video only scratches the surface and doesn't do it justice! Absolutley incredible place!
Thanks, Paul! Glad you enjoyed your visit, we appreciate your comment!
Thank you for sharing this awesome video, it really has a feel good factor associated with it ,as well as a sawmill enterprise which I would never thought to exist, amazing old school techniques 10/10.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Would be very nice to see the whole construction of barrel .
I work in a barrel making mill we use the same drum saw. ours was made in the 1890's and we still run it hard we cut 30"Length x 1/2" thick and edge a similar way. avg a day is 4000 to 5000 staves in a 9 hr day. good to see another drum saw like ours still working
Pretty amazing everyone appeared to have all their fingers.
None missing at all. We take safety very seriously and staff is always reminded of situational awareness when working in the mill and since this video was posted almost 10 years ago there have been many safety improvements to the mill such as additional guards, etc... We work closely with OHS to maintain safe working practices throughout the museum site.
Lose a finger? Get moved to accounting.
We can now build apple barrels after watching this video.
Interesting to see from some of the comments on here just how far back down the evolution ladder some people have gone, they see this working environment as dangerous, yet walk along the road with 1 ton cars whizzing past only inches away, what it shows is how far we have come away from being aware of potential dangers around us, these workers are fully alert to the moving machinery around them, yet the health and safety police ,who have'nt a clue, would stop them, it shows just how much the intelligent are being controlled by the unintelligent.
Well said my friend.
The first thing I noticed is how efficient the whole operation is. Nobody is standing around scratching waiting for the next piece to come by. I don't think safer machines, i.e., saw blade housings, would change that. These guys have been doing what they are doing for years, and you will notice that most of them are making some sort of quality or dimensional judgment on each piece before and/or after they run it. I doubt that any piece of electronic equipment could do better than the eye which has made the call tens of thousands of times with dead-on accuracy and allowance for error.
The change to 21st-century safety standards would probably not change their output. But it very well might bankrupt the small business company they have. This is one situation where the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." still applies. Thanks for the vid.
. In the UK, Health and Safety laws began after the awful Flixborough disaster where it was discovered that deaths and injuries were the result of very poor working practices. The theory of health and safety at work practices is to minimise the opportunity for accidents to happen. Manual working resulted in fewer accidents but the industrial revolution brought much higher risks of deaths and injuries - think of cotton mills for instance. Do people at work need protecting? Is working safer now than 20 years; 30 years; 100 years; 200 years ago? Is it best practice to have processes and practices co designed with users to minimise risks?
Are the health and safety police - as you call them - guilty of excesses and over-compensation? Quite possibly but I have to say that as an ex-MD with 3,500 people and with some of those involved in medium to high risk tasks, I was always grateful to have the disciplines imposed by the independent (from operations) company health and safety teams based upon the underpinning legal framework. We had all the processes required such as risk assessments - from which operations and H&S derived safe working practices; equipment testing; chemical evaluations - from which risks and then safe use were derived. We still had accidents, but in my 8 years only one serious one. That was an employee doing something that was very specifically banned. He was very seriously injured and never to fully recover. In that instance, he was doing private work albeit using company equipment.
I believe that your comment about intelligent and unintelligent is very seriously misplaced. I have never found it respectful to define intelligence by role or role by intelligence. There are dumb people all over the place - even on YT. I would only add that common sense isn’t quite as common as we would like it to be
@@martincox7354 Your view of the H&S "industry" just about sums up the problem, once it was perceived to be an area where large amounts of profit could be made advising companies and selling goods, the whole thing took off in a big way, unions also took advantage of the situation, having worked as a plant engineer, and later a college lecturer in engineering I have seen this happen from the inside, no one is saying that unsafe practises should be forced upon workers, but in past times people were so much more intelligent when it came to manual operation of machines, that is simply because any lack of intelligence brought about an accident which usually took them out of the game, the poor working practices were usually brought about by the bonus scheme, which encouraged workers to take short cuts. Not calling people unintelligent is a product of the current PC ruling, one only has to drive a few miles on any road to see the result of unintelligent people acquiring a driver licence, but there are many more examples if you care to look around. As the apprentice system has fallen by the wayside we will get more reliant on multiple machine guard systems for uneducated workers, but not in the west as everything is now made in china, including the virus we are now suffering. You are of course absolutely correct in your observation about "common sense" that has also fallen by the wayside as well ! Stay safe.
@@453421abcdefg12345 did you really say " in past times people were so much more intelligent when it came to manual operation of machines, that is simply because any lack of intelligence brought about an accident which usually took them out of the game"? is that the kind of safety policy you want for your family; your neighbourhood; this society? where a lapse in intelligence by the worker "takes them out of the game" with no adequate responsibility on the employer. If you really believe that is the right ethic for the society that you want, then I'm very glad that you are in no position of power. Of course, companies will try and exploit any market - that applies to leisure; funeral plans and....health & safety. That's called capitalism within democracy; its not the pretty part but its inevitable and until someone comes up with a better system.
Just out of interest, OSHA records that there were 35,000 deaths in 1900 with a further 400,000 maimed. That's in your time of "much more intelligent" workers fearful of an accident that would lose them their job; in 2018, there were, provisionally, less than 3,000 deaths. I reckon that's 32,000 people alive who might well have been dead in the time of "much more intelligent people"
You can reply if you want but I'm not going to waste any more of my time pointing out to the rest of the public the illogical, selfish nature of your original comment. Keep safe - but that seems unlikely with your safety policy
AWESOME WORK. OSHA APPROVED
OSHA doesn't care about these guys. They're busy being Biden's Gestapo.
Fascinating video. The employees are a credit to your company. Each one a craftsman. As a fellow Kentuckian, I salute your company with a stiff glass of Kentucky Bourbon.
Generations after generations of a process that has worked fine, a little fine tuning here and there , you have what you have and works, no need to reinvent the wheel😀
I enjoyed that a lot. What a great bunch of machines!
full of craftmanship and beauty.thanks.
I can't believe they are still made by hand ! Amazing !
Terry Vincent: What do you think, they dig them up out of the ground ready made? They dont grow on trees!
This brings back lots of memories. As a young man I worked at a head mill making staves. I really enjoyed watching.
They can't hold a pencil to fill out the form 😎 Love it !!!!
Love it!!
Glad you like it!
Nice work boys
Forty five years a tool & die maker working with all kind of dangerous machinery the ones that get hurt are the ones who don't understand machinery and push it past its limits, its all about the process.
Thanks for the comment, Larry. What kinds of tools did you make?
@@RossFarmMuseumNS Metal stamping for electronics industry all highly precision +- .0002 tolerances, high speed dies up to 800 spm.
Thanks for sharing
I bet that's a fun job cleaning that place up lol
It's a great rainy day job! :)
So awesome!!! These places are a national treasure. I also bet there wasn't a bunch of workman compensation claims either.
No CLAIMS....They all DIED.
4-5k finished product that is too. staves are used to make potato barrels and display barrels for places like cabelas and ll bean. there is a barrel making mill here in town and they make flower pots and half barrels out of out broken ones. we have been told were the only one the country that runs a baxter drum daily as a business. ours was made in 1903 i looked today at work.
where was this done I love watching it I have watched it 8 times
Hi Bruce, We are a living history museum located in Nova Scotia, Canada. We depict rural farm life through the 1800s and early 1900s and have many buildings on our site including a working blacksmith shop, cooperage, barn, woodworking shop etc... We use oxen and horses and hand tools to do much of the farm work the same as it was done many years ago. You can find more info about us on our website at: rossfarm.novascotia.ca/
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And no one talking on the phone or chugging a water bottle..... Situational awareness is paramount to your personal safety.
That was very interesting.
Thanks.
I'm surprised they still have hands!! I'll say this They ain't scaird!! You couldn't melt me & pour me on
any one of these folks . It's not their first rodeo. I have to give them all a hand no pun intended😁
I would like to see what it is you make. Can't we see the finished product?
Hi @huskyjerk Here is a photo of some of the barrels made from the staves and heads that are produced in the mill. www.flickr.com/photos/rossfarmmuseum/4760801748/
@@RossFarmMuseumNS ok....thanks
I’d love to see what is turning those flat belts. Cool shop.
6 cylinder Ford Senator running a main line shaft with canvas/rubber belts that go up through the floor and to the machines.
Hi Adam! Had no idea there are others still in use, 4000 to 5000 staves a day is pretty amazing.
What are the barrels used for in the end?
That's awesome Adam, you have all of us quite interested here at the museum. What type of wood to you use for the staves and heads? Also what do you use for hoops? Do you mind me asking where you are located?
...and the construction of the finished product?
Amazing. And I didn't see any missing fingers.
are you using black spruce ?
Brilliant. The whole operation is more about living than working. Let me do six months of that, then six months fishing and a year of tillage. Then I don't need holidays. That's the new economy.
Machines before health and safety went mad. Can you imagine someone from the high vis brigade walking in there,he would freak out. Danger overload
And rightly so!
The guy who cuts the trim off has to lean in direction of the saw blade, pushing his finger past the cutting edge, maybe an inch away.
But hey, that's the beauty of capitalism. A slave owner would have had a problem with damaging his inventory. As a free enterprise factory owner, you just pick a new migrant from the ship.
We work closely with Occupational Health and Safety. Since this video was posted we have put guards on some of the machines and have made other safety improvements to make the mill as safe as possible.
@@RossFarmMuseumNS good i'm glad. everyone should be able to make a living, rather than having to make themselves an early grave.
I thought it was an Amish wood processor.
I’m amazed these guys seem to have all their fingers
Guards?? We don't need no stinking guards. We are the frigging Amish! Brother stumpy says so!
What are pine barrels used for??
Hi there, the heads are pine but the staves are spruce. These we traditionally used to ship apples from Nova Scotia to england and other parts of the world.
Where's EUSTIS CONROY From the Show Mountain Men ?????
dam those were thin? and whyd it only show the heading?
Loads of fun .
What are they making
Staves and Barrel heads for barrels that were once used to ship apples to England and other parts of the world. We make over 1000 barrels every year in our coopershop.
I love this video however it begs the question . Has Mr & Mrs OSHAW ever showed their ugly heads?
Mind your shirt sleeves!!
health and safety would have a fit going around that place with so many open and dangerous blades./..
We work closely with Occupational Health and Safety. Since this video was posted we have put guards on some of the machines and have made other safety improvements to make the mill as safe as possible.
We work closely with Occupational Health and Safety. Since this video was posted we have put guards on some of the machines and have made other safety improvements to make the mill as safe as possible.
These amish guys that have no use for tech sure seem to use a lot of it. Lol.
No THank YOu! I'd prefer to keep my Fingers! VERY INteresting though!
Apple barrell???
You need a lot of concentration on that job otherwise you'll lose your fingers
And that could be quite painful...
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To me, this just looked like a bunch of guys sawing some wood into increasingly smaller and smaller pieces using increasingly more bizarre methods.
+Cybjon Try reading the "Notes". It explains everything they are doing and why. They DO know what they are doing. There methods are anything but "Bizarre!"
you have described most of industry. lol
Looks like Amish people....and we can see that the ear muffs are all brand new...
ear protectors maybe?
All staff are required to wear ear plugs or ear muff style ear protection. They are all wearing one or the other in the video but the ear plug style is harder to see.
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danger danger everywhere!
That's the way it used to be and yes some people got hurt but most paid attention and didn't get hurt. Now days there are is so much safety that people relax and still get hurt because they think they can't get hurt so they are careless.
We work closely with Occupational Health and Safety. Since this video was posted we have put guards on some of the machines and have made other safety improvements to make the mill as safe as possible.
They need some saw guards....
We work closely with Occupational Health and Safety. Since this video was posted we have put guards on some of the machines and have made other safety improvements to make the mill as safe as possible. We are construction safety certified and have a safety committee the regularly does safety inspections around the museum site.
Wow, this is what England must have been like in the late 1700s.
Late 1800's. 1700's most would have still been by hand.
safety nightmare.
+Howell Miller
The real nightmare is having to cope with zealous self anointed health and safety police "experts" many of whom know all the text book theory of why it is "correct" for a state employed jobsworth to interfere in legitimate productive business-yet have never actually worked in one themselves
The other nightmare of course (for Americans) is having to choose between h clinton or d trump.....
+Howell Miller
The real nightmare is having to cope with zealous self anointed health and safety police "experts" many of whom know all the text book theory of why it is "correct" for a state employed jobsworth to interfere in legitimate productive business-yet have never actually worked in one themselves
The other nightmare of course (for Americans) is having to choose between h clinton or d trump.....
Not a nightmare...just work you have to pay attention to so you don't get hurt.
I didn't see enough minority or female employees there. I might have to fire off a letter now.
We work closely with Occupational Health and Safety. Since this video was posted we have put guards on some of the machines and have made other safety improvements to make the mill as safe as possible.
Straw hat hypocrisy
what do you mean? they're not Amish, if that's what you are saying. that's a farm museum, with people in period dress for that time.
Speak up I can't hear you Whaat?? Whatt??😃
No ear nor eye protection for the workers!
Hi Erin, If you look closely all staff are wearing eye glasses or safety glasses as well as small ear plugs or ear muff style hearing protection.
Clean your shop.