What a co-incidence. I actually have both of these myself. The reason I prefer the Marantz is simplicity and singleness of purpose. I think that the Marantz is a fantastic CD player that is well worth the cost, but I must agree that if you can live with the Sony then the extra cost is very high just for the quality. The other bonus to the Marantz is the fact that I do not have have my TV running to use it. This (I believe) cuts down on any possible electrical interference and, if nothing else, cuts out any distractions from the music. But thank you for an excellent (unbiased) video.
But they would both be equal. And PS the dac built in the Marantz amp should be amazing. I can't tell what model he's using but mine looks just like it (PM6006) and it has a CS4398 24-bit/192kHz Cirrus Logic "flagship" DAC. I really love it.@@angusflood6801
Have owned CD6005 and CD6006. Both bricked after about 1 year of light use due to failed transports. They sounded about the same. Not that great but about what I expected at that price point. Thin bloomy bass recessed mids and exaggerated highs with a flat sound stage. Have to add that an Audiolab transport to an SMSL Su-9 Dac vastly outperforms everything I've had in my system over the years including Rega, and Naim. Both have long since deceased too. Love my Apple Music rig!
Nice video, I think there is another advantage For the marantz: The CD player has inside a digital to analog converter Which is not present inside the Sony. To have a decent converter, the cost is the difference between the two products. I believe that the same difference could be considered Between the cost of the Sony 800m2 and the Sony 1000es. The 1000es has an analog output stage but the transport mechanics is the same. On the other side, if you don’t need an integrated digital to analog converter you can buy the Sony that has more functionalities and it is cheaper. Instead, if you want a huge improvement on the transport itself, you should spend a lot of money to have an improvement in the quality of the transport . For example, in an expensive transport you will find several digital outputs like i2s and aes ebu, good transformers, discrete components and a huge attention to reduce jitter. Clearly you will need an high quality dac to appreciate the over mentioned high quality transport. I am selecting dedicated transport without integrated dac to listen my cd and a Sony 800m2 for sacd because the Sony can transfer to my dac also the dsd steam.
Late on this but just looking now at 4K players AND CD players…. Sony hands down…. Can use it without TV if you use coaxial out or the audio only HDMI. SACD capability is huge and while the Marantz is a thing of beauty …. I can buy a lot of used CDs & 4ks for what I’ll save. Great vid
Thank you for posting this! Im considering the X800m2 for all of my optical disc transport needs and I can clearly tell theres little to no difference here. Add an I2S/DoP converter and budget DSD DAC, and you got yourself a more than adequate hi-res starter kit!
I actually think that Sony has setting where you can choose to output the sound as PCM or DSD. It probably also has two HDMI outputs , one is specifically for sound
I think, the comparison can be made technically by recording the track (or many tracks) from both players several times via digital out to a pc for example and then compare tracks from one player from different sessions between each other to understand if tracks were read accurately each time or they are a lot different each time. Better CD player with better mechanics/laser pick up will give you more stable result. Then you can compare tracks from different players between each other and see when there is a difference, and what is this difference looks like?
This is a very good review. I have made a comparison on my high end sound system and came to the same conclusion. And what is the most shocking conclusion: the Sony can play Superaudio CDs as well. Marantz cant play SACDs. I had an expensive SACD-player and i sold it cos the Sony can manage my SACDs at the same high audio quality. The only negative point is that the Sony doesnt have any display.
i found no difference but youtube audio is quite compressed. My father just bought the cd6007 and he is not that impressed by it. we were both expecting a jump in quality from his cheaper, older, technics. the dac alone would and should be a considerate upgrade. He has not explored his cd6007 enough to get a solid opinion on it yet. Id like to run it through my system through better rca cords, then thru fiber optics to use my own dac. thank you for the video.
It will certainly be better than his old technics. Technology has improved massively every year. Can his old technics also play hi res music file via usb. NO. The technic is heavy due to the weight of modern technology in it hence improvement in sound. I have been buying audio equipment for 48 years & this marantz is very very good. P S.I also owned an older technics good in its time.
If you are using them as a digital transport then yes, they will sound identical. If you are using the internal DACs of the players there will be subtle differences. (The X700 doesnt have a DAC)
what can definitely differentiate is the device itself that reads the disc. especially a Blu-ray disc. I'm talking about the mechanical sound. In other words, sounds you can hear even if you don't have the amplifier on
I think the marantz is not so harsh. With big speakers like you have they are not positioned well, you have them near the wall in a corner. They need space. & your hifi on a nest of tables so near will feel all those vibrations. Get a proper audio unit with spikes and move it. Those tiles are not good on the floor they will reflect sound that will bounce around the room. But my verdict on the difference was sound on the marantz cd6007 was more open with a tad more clarity. So much so I bought one.
When I first watched this I was dumb. I did not know that the first track was the Marantz and then there was the swing to the Sony. By the way I have the Sony 800 2. The swing to the Sony coming second I noticed that for my ears it was a little muffled. I did not know the reason why and I did not know that there had been a swing to the Sony. On my third playing of the music I finally worked out that the Sony appeared and disappeared. I was just unobservant but I did notice the differences on the first 2. For my ears that are somewhat 66 years old and slightly damaged from the hands of past time I could hear the Marantz to be clearer and rounder. The Sony for me came second. But when I play music DVD's through my Sony 800 2 am I disappointed????? No!! Do I enjoy the music repo. and video YES!! But when I finally woke up to the vision part of the video the Marantz was better.
The first track the Marantz sounded better, but the rest it was hard to heard the difference . However the Sony got good separation going on. Also, may be the Marantz is a bit warmer sound vs Cold sound from SONY. But all is subjective really.
Just a question as I was thinking about the Marantz cd to go along side my 6007Amp. Wouldn't the Sony and Marantz end up sounding the same as they are using the same DAC?? Cheers
@@UTILITARIANTVUK it would be an interesting exercise to add a cheap blue ray player, connect that to the 6007 amp via optical (using the Marantz DAC) and see how that sounds. Just for info, I recently purchased an older Marantz CD6005 player, as I need the usb input to connect my portable h.d.d for playing back my Wav files. It played really nicely through the usb input. I tested it for 24hrs and it had issues reading discs so I returned it (bummer really cause it looked v nice sat next to the 6007 Amp) I would like to add a cd player as long as it has the capability to take usb HDD or memory stick .. Keep up the good work m8ty! 😁
Interesting video..I've got the Marantz PM7000n amp, can you play SACD into it from the X700 Sony and listen to hi res music via the coaxial cable? Ta..,😊
If you want more premium UHD Blu-ray players, there are Magnetar and Reavon. then there is Pioneer. although it seems to stop being sold on the Swedish market
Recently hooked up a Sony dvd player that is about 10 years old, which I retired after moving to blu ray, to a new integrated amp and speakers, as a stop gap to getting a stand alone cd player and the sound is remarkably good. The dvd player plays SACD and there is a notable uplift in sound quality using this format, the sound is richer.
The Marantz has a slightly better Fill and the Bass Tones are Fuller but I'm impressed at how well the Sony does it Separation! For the price of a Cheap Blu-Ray player - it sounds fine...!
Thanks for the very meaningful compassion! If you use a decent Blue-Ray/SCAD player as transport only, and use the DAC from amplifier, it will be charging to find audible difference. I will be very interesting to know at WHAT level of speaker/amplifier can show the difference between these two options. I decide to use the Sony UPB X800 as my CD/SACD transport to feed into Hegel 120/B&W 704 pair. Many new amplifier will convert all signal to digital first, so I will by pass CD player's DAC regardless. I think the high priced CD transport is hype. I am still waiting for someone to convince me otherwise.
IS it really exactly the same DAC in your amplifier as in your marantz CD player. Marantz has CD players in different price ranges, probably with different DACs. The analog parts may also differ
Great video and very unpretentious. I could just about hear the difference. The Marantz was slightly warmer and mainly had better channel separation But it was hard to hear - I had to concentrate!
Quality Problems with this Marantz-I have all sorts of Marantz products (and am quite happy with them,) but this one failed just after the warranty expired. It also lacks an eject function on the remote. Suggest you find something else or move upmarket in the Marantz lineup.
what source did YOU use both players probably have support for 24 Bit and 192 KHZ in WAV or AIFF. I also think that both players have support for DSD via the USB input. Then it might also matter what kind of music you play and who produced it. Is it, for example, music with real acoustic instruments or synthetic music
I played your sound comparison through my KRK studio monitors which are flat response and pretty accurate to the source and I could hear the marantz had more body and richness to the sound , bass had more impact. OK it's not like night and day difference but I'd rather listen to the marantz CD player than the Sony but I guess if you didn't hear both side by side then you could be more than happy with the Sony which sounded fine. I was interested as I sourced one of these Marantz players for my father at a very good price and he thinks it sounds better than his previous audiolab player which was originally double the cost but had started to become a little troublesome ejecting etc. He is also using the Marantz player with an amplifier that costs many times the price of the PM6007 and it scales well - I believe it will play well with more expensive equipment. I don't know if I'm alone in thinking that upgrade of speakers and then amp make far more difference than which CD player you use , I heard a Primare CD player vs a budget Denon through some good mid-range equipment - the difference in the two players was minimal to my ears.
When I first watched this I was dumb. I did not know that the first track was the Marantz and then there was the swing to the Sony. By the way I have the Sony 800 2. The swing to the Sony coming second I noticed that for my ears it was a little muffled. I did not know the reason why and I did not know that there had been a swing to the Sony. On my third playing of the music I finally worked out that the Sony appeared and disappeared. I was just unobservant but I did notice the differences on the first 2. For my ears that are somewhat 66 years old and slightly damaged from the hands of past time I could hear the Marantz to be clearer and rounder. The Sony for me came second. But when I play music DVD's through my Sony 800 2 am I disappointed????? No!! Do I enjoy the music repo. and video YES!! But when I finally woke up to the vision part of the video the Marantz was better.
Everyone says you have to have your TV going to hear and to view track and counter.I run both into the receivers though hdmi .Perfect sound,and one isn't a blueray it's a pioneer dvd/cd player,and you got the advantage of course watching a movie or a music disc.I have had a dedicated cd player before and i wouldn't go back to one.
The Martz has just a tad bit more clarity. Sony, has a muffled sound. Very, very slight though. Is it worth the huge additional expense? Guess it depends on how picky you are. With that said, I listen to all my CDs on a sony es dvd bluray player from around 2000 it not only sound great, but just beautiful to look at. Itsold for around $800 dollars back then. Just top notch quality. No way would I ever sell it. PS. Thank you for taking the time to do this great comparison.
I have a PS3 going through the incredible qed reference optical cable to Yamaha as301.Its as if the qed gathers every scrap of detail from PS3 and sharpens it up.Equal to £500 cd players I've heard.
Sorry I disagree, I have a ps4 & used optical into the Marantz pm6007 £400 & it was mediocre not equal to a £500 cd player, I then purchased a marantz award winning cd6007 using the same optical lead & it was amazing, so much superior. Unless uou have tried it with a comparison it's hard to make that conclusion. P.S. The PS4 also plays flac files which is a bonus that's why I had mine set up like yours but, now my samsung s21 ultra with a hard drive attatched to the usb sends my 800 flac file albums to the marantz pm6007 via a Bluetooth recieving box attatched on my marantz pm6007.
@@ENGLISHISBESTyeah....I have made comparisons,that's why I made the statement.😂 The PS3 (mind with QED reference optical) was superior to Cambridge cx audiophile Blu-ray player and arcam rdac.
I asume you use the hdmi for the data transport to the amp (best option these days) Because the data transfer makes a difference All optical en coaxial cables produce a different sound quality outcome on the receiving end Forget the " it's data it makes no difference" something to do with timings and clockspeeds of chips i believe
Test how good SACD sounds. Please note output the signal as DSD if your amplifier supports it. by the way, shouldn't your Marantz CD player support DSD via USB?
@@UTILITARIANTVUK So they make CD players that support DSD but not amplifiers? Or is your amplifier too cheap. Or they might have thought you would use the analog Sound input on the amplifier
I have to get up from my couch to change volume on my Bluray player, and then most times it skips a chapter. That's because volume no longer works on my remote. Therein you have your answer. Couldn't hear a difference and didn't really expect to as you mentioned they use the same DAC. So the only difference between the two machines are the build quality. That being said I'm sure the quality built CD player will outlast the cheap Bluray player.
A very marginal difference between the two. Even I bought a CD player of NAD in 2007 and same time I bought a Pioneer DVD player, with major difference in cost. Till date Pioneer DVD player is running strong not even a single repair or change of lens whereas the NAD CD player gone thrice for repairs, out of which two times lens changed and one time there was humming when connection is taken from Analog RCA output.
What does MOFI mean by this? do they mean that their discs should be available with 11.2 MHZ or what. should there be any SACD player that can read it from a disc. Maybe their own SACD player? ULTRADISC UHR This Ultra High-Resolution (UHR) dual-layer hybrid SACD is recorded with Direct Stream Digital technology at a sampling rate of 11.2MHz and a frequency response of DC to 100kHz. In addition, a high-precision down-conversion is utilized for the CD laye (16-bit/44.1kHz) to preserve the sonic integ of the original DSD capture. The result: Sta of-the-art sound on any machine that can p either standard compact discs or SACDS
Hi and thanks for comparing this! Can you please tell which cable did you connect between Sony and DAC, as Sony x700 only got HDMI and one Digital out Coax? Thank you in advance.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK The Sony does have a DAC, otherwise it wouldn’t be able to output SACD content. The latter cannot be output thru coax/toslink. If you can, try to add this info as an extra to your video. Another point which you didn’t discuss but could have is the fact that you need an external screen for the Sony if you want to see well any information. And there is of course the lifespan of both appliances. The Marantz cdp will far outlive the Sony.
@@musiclassica Sorry, but I can 100% guarantee that it does not have a DAC. You have to have an amp/home theatre that has a DAC capable of playing SACD//DSD.
Marantz definitely warmer ,but point taken on ability ,prefer the 6007 combo ,for my preference ,smooth jazz,which sounds terrific, through my Eltax speakers .
Great comparison,thanks for uploading the video,I had bought second hand a 9 year old Sony BDP-S760 it has it's own built in DAC,the built in DAC is no where near as good as my MHDT LAB that is from approx built in the same time period,I only paid $30 Australian approx 15 pounds,and man the sound is fantastic.
if you listen to the snare sounds and High end information CLOSELY with good headphones or STUDIO monitors youll hear the Marantz is clearer. It IS close on some examples.
I wish the Sony UHD players had RCA outputs to run to a tape deck for recording. Odd user case I know, but it's what has me looking at a standalone CD player.
Sony did make a UHD player with RCA's but it was pretty expensive (UBP-X1000ES). Think it's discontinued now. I use an external DAC and run RCA's from that.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK hahahahahahahaha. Well my CDP-911 loads 7000 times faster than a Sony X700! Tested in 1990s Japanese G-Force labs set up to study Godzilla.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Yes, I understand that, but the only real valid test was to use the same cable and dac into the amp for a proper comparison, testing the digital output of both the BR and CD players in turn. Using the dac for the Sony but an analogue connection into the amp from the CD player is useful as an a/b comparison as proof of concept, but nothing more. I’m sure that the results would be similar, but, IMO, your test was not as comprehensive as it could have been. A useful YT video, nevertheless. TVM.
The BR player doesn't have a DAC and therefore, no digital output stage. It was being used as a transport only. With the CD player and the amp having the exact same DAC and implementation, it's highly unlikely the analogue connection would yield a different result.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Probably not, but the only true comparison is to use both the CD and BR players as transports only, and use the same cable and connection into the amp's DAC. That way, the only variables are the source devices, not the back end.
Marantz has a little more bass and the sound is a little more accurate, but the difference is so small that I wouldn't rate it at 250 bucks. So don't be upset, Marantz sounds better.
It cannot, where it shows SACD in the specs, look at SACD start mode, it reads, 'no' Also, go to CD and SACD players and highlight SACD to narrow your search. The CD6007 does not appear. www.marantz.com/en-gb/category/cd-players
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Strange. Maybe it relates to the change of chipset from AKM to ESS? I just bought one of these units... it says cd 6007 b1t. How can I tell if it has the AKM or ESS chip inside? Thanks
@@UTILITARIANTVUK @UTILITARIAN TV Very useful. Incidentally, I see that the "Complete Digital Source Player" SACD 30n (which supports FLAC, and retailing @ £3000) -- does not support SACD! 😀 But I am curious: will the Marantz (and others similarly afflicted) not play SACDs at all, or just play them like "ordinary" CDs (i.e. without the SA layer)?
Technically we are using same DAC.. either from CD player or Sony using Amp DAC. Wouldn’t that give obviously same result? Saying this as DAC will do heavy lifting.. your thoughts
As I understand, he is not using the same dac, he is connecting the Sony via coax cable to the amp, so, the amp's dac is processing the audio, the Marantz is connected using the rca output, Marantz's integrated dac is doing the process
@@GabrielZ_R Exactly.. bcoz both units have same DAC right? Marantz CD Player or Marantz Amp he said both are same. Wondering if results will be same.. I mean Marantz Amp and Marantz CD player have same DAC when it comes to processing audio before hitting speakers
Can you please do the fallowing: Find any cheap DVD player with analog RCA output, connect it to your amplifier, and listen to music using the DVD player's DAC, then compare it with your Marantz CD Player! Believe me, you gonna be very surprised - THERE WILL BE NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL !!! JUST CHECK IT !!!
if you change your amp the sony will not work unless you have another dac and the sound will change for good or worst and then you need a tv on top of your system to handle the sony, I still have my marantz 8001 from 15 years ago and still works very well. And aesthetics do matter, at least to me.
I taught that both sounded great, But I think your hearing has a lot to do with it. I am in the market right now on buying a new cd player my JVC after 35 years has died
Por fin una comparación . No se nota diferencia alguna, pero vendrán los entendidos y dirán que el espacio sonoro, la escena musical, la dirección de las ondas y más chorradas. Un lector es un lector ,un rayito que lee lo que hay, y punto. Y bueno, has puesto un reproductor de cd de lo más normalito, que para los tontos ricos los hay de 6.000 euros para arriba, allá cada uno con su dinero,por supuesto. Deben tener oidos de dioses.
I'm just in the middle of filming a review on the Sony UPB X800 4k Blu-ray player. It can upscale CDs to a higher resolution using DSEE HX. To my ears, it actually sounds better than a CD player!
Eu escutei cuidadosamente com um excelente par de fones de ouvido Pioneer e, tal qual você, nao percebi nenhuma diferença. Ambos são maravilhosos. Obrigado.
One is a work machine, plays 50 years cd s and stays quiet. Second plays maybe also 50 years but going make more mechanical noise year to year and lost value.
What a co-incidence. I actually have both of these myself. The reason I prefer the Marantz is simplicity and singleness of purpose. I think that the Marantz is a fantastic CD player that is well worth the cost, but I must agree that if you can live with the Sony then the extra cost is very high just for the quality.
The other bonus to the Marantz is the fact that I do not have have my TV running to use it. This (I believe) cuts down on any possible electrical interference and, if nothing else, cuts out any distractions from the music.
But thank you for an excellent (unbiased) video.
Sony was a little bit thinner but had better mid range clarity. Great comparison. Thanks
To give a true comparison run them both through the dac on the amp.
Then you are just listening to the, usually, sub standard amp dac.
Not true, it will only compare the cd transport not the overall package
But they would both be equal. And PS the dac built in the Marantz amp should be amazing. I can't tell what model he's using but mine looks just like it (PM6006) and it has a CS4398 24-bit/192kHz Cirrus Logic "flagship" DAC. I really love it.@@angusflood6801
You're the best! I learn a lot from you and always get a good laugh!!!
Have owned CD6005 and CD6006. Both bricked after about 1 year of light use due to failed transports. They sounded about the same. Not that great but about what I expected at that price point. Thin bloomy bass recessed mids and exaggerated highs with a flat sound stage. Have to add that an Audiolab transport to an SMSL Su-9 Dac vastly outperforms everything I've had in my system over the years including Rega, and Naim. Both have long since deceased too. Love my Apple Music rig!
Nice video, I think there is another advantage For the marantz: The CD player has inside a digital to analog converter Which is not present inside the Sony. To have a decent converter, the cost is the difference between the two products. I believe that the same difference could be considered Between the cost of the Sony 800m2 and the Sony 1000es. The 1000es has an analog output stage but the transport mechanics is the same. On the other side, if you don’t need an integrated digital to analog converter you can buy the Sony that has more functionalities and it is cheaper. Instead, if you want a huge improvement on the transport itself, you should spend a lot of money to have an improvement in the quality of the transport . For example, in an expensive transport you will find several digital outputs like i2s and aes ebu, good transformers, discrete components and a huge attention to reduce jitter. Clearly you will need an high quality dac to appreciate the over mentioned high quality transport. I am selecting dedicated transport without integrated dac to listen my cd and a Sony 800m2 for sacd because the Sony can transfer to my dac also the dsd steam.
Another great review. Thank you!!
Late on this but just looking now at 4K players AND CD players…. Sony hands down…. Can use it without TV if you use coaxial out or the audio only HDMI. SACD capability is huge and while the Marantz is a thing of beauty …. I can buy a lot of used CDs & 4ks for what I’ll save.
Great vid
Thank you for posting this! Im considering the X800m2 for all of my optical disc transport needs and I can clearly tell theres little to no difference here. Add an I2S/DoP converter and budget DSD DAC, and you got yourself a more than adequate hi-res starter kit!
I actually think that Sony has setting where you can choose to output the sound as PCM or DSD. It probably also has two HDMI outputs , one is specifically for sound
Note today there is music with both 5.1 sound on SACD and Dolby Atmos on Blu-ray audio. The player you are considering also supports DVD Audio
I think, the comparison can be made technically by recording the track (or many tracks) from both players several times via digital out to a pc for example and then compare tracks from one player from different sessions between each other to understand if tracks were read accurately each time or they are a lot different each time. Better CD player with better mechanics/laser pick up will give you more stable result. Then you can compare tracks from different players between each other and see when there is a difference, and what is this difference looks like?
This is a very good review. I have made a comparison on my high end sound system and came to the same conclusion. And what is the most shocking conclusion: the Sony can play Superaudio CDs as well. Marantz cant play SACDs. I had an expensive SACD-player and i sold it cos the Sony can manage my SACDs at the same high audio quality. The only negative point is that the Sony doesnt have any display.
If you can feed out HDMI. The Marantz amp in the video does not have HDMI. So no SACD output from the Sony player
Both were great with the marantz cd6007 a bit warmer side and fuller. But if you cant hear about 10khz either one will do just fine.
i found no difference but youtube audio is quite compressed.
My father just bought the cd6007 and he is not that impressed by it. we were both expecting a jump in quality from his cheaper, older, technics. the dac alone would and should be a considerate upgrade. He has not explored his cd6007 enough to get a solid opinion on it yet. Id like to run it through my system through better rca cords, then thru fiber optics to use my own dac.
thank you for the video.
It will certainly be better than his old technics. Technology has improved massively every year. Can his old technics also play hi res music file via usb. NO. The technic is heavy due to the weight of modern technology in it hence improvement in sound. I have been buying audio equipment for 48 years & this marantz is very very good. P S.I also owned an older technics good in its time.
CD on CD player sounds like CD.
CD on Bluray player sounds like DVD... there some loose.
CD player is better.
If you are using them as a digital transport then yes, they will sound identical. If you are using the internal DACs of the players there will be subtle differences. (The X700 doesnt have a DAC)
what can definitely differentiate is the device itself that reads the disc. especially a Blu-ray disc. I'm talking about the mechanical sound. In other words, sounds you can hear even if you don't have the amplifier on
Do we agree that when we turn off the CD player, the light stays on? (Red diode)...unlike the PM6007 amp which has the diode that turns off.
The Sony sounds cleaner to me. I would probably buy the Marantz though just because of the build quality and name.
I think the marantz is not so harsh. With big speakers like you have they are not positioned well, you have them near the wall in a corner. They need space. & your hifi on a nest of tables so near will feel all those vibrations. Get a proper audio unit with spikes and move it. Those tiles are not good on the floor they will reflect sound that will bounce around the room. But my verdict on the difference was sound on the marantz cd6007 was more open with a tad more clarity. So much so I bought one.
When I first watched this I was dumb. I did not know that the first track was the Marantz and then there was the swing to the Sony. By the way I have the Sony 800 2. The swing to the Sony coming second I noticed that for my ears it was a little muffled. I did not know the reason why and I did not know that there had been a swing to the Sony. On my third playing of the music I finally worked out that the Sony appeared and disappeared. I was just unobservant but I did notice the differences on the first 2. For my ears that are somewhat 66 years old and slightly damaged from the hands of past time I could hear the Marantz to be clearer and rounder. The Sony for me came second. But when I play music DVD's through my Sony 800 2 am I disappointed????? No!! Do I enjoy the music repo. and video YES!! But when I finally woke up to the vision part of the video the Marantz was better.
Connect the bluray player to the tv and watch movies with, then use the marantz for cd. It got display and buttons on the unit..
i think in the highs the marantz is a bt more defined, but the Sony is brighter, maybe more a matter of taste? Thanks for the videos!
Run the pm8006 with the cd6007 and a pair of klipsch cornwalls iv . I bet not one person complains about the sound . Great synergy between all three .
The first track the Marantz sounded better, but the rest it was hard to heard the difference . However the Sony got good separation going on. Also, may be the Marantz is a bit warmer sound vs Cold sound from SONY. But all is subjective really.
Just a question as I was thinking about the Marantz cd to go along side my 6007Amp.
Wouldn't the Sony and Marantz end up sounding the same as they are using the same DAC??
Cheers
In this case yes but it all depends on the internal components. Some cheap players may not sound the same.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK it would be an interesting exercise to add a cheap blue ray player, connect that to the 6007 amp via optical (using the Marantz DAC) and see how that sounds.
Just for info, I recently purchased an older Marantz CD6005 player, as I need the usb input to connect my portable h.d.d for playing back my Wav files. It played really nicely through the usb input.
I tested it for 24hrs and it had issues reading discs so I returned it (bummer really cause it looked v nice sat next to the 6007 Amp)
I would like to add a cd player as long as it has the capability to take usb HDD or memory stick ..
Keep up the good work m8ty! 😁
try a better 12V psu for the X700, it sounds even better than stock psu.
By the way, there was a time when Pioneer had CD players with platter, so you had to put the blank side of the CD up
Interesting video..I've got the Marantz PM7000n amp, can you play SACD into it from the X700 Sony and listen to hi res music via the coaxial cable? Ta..,😊
If you want more premium UHD Blu-ray players, there are Magnetar and Reavon. then there is Pioneer. although it seems to stop being sold on the Swedish market
So you actually compared the DAC of the CD player to the DAC of the amp? 😊 that’s quite a useful exercise actually. Thank you!
After listening to both players, The cd player sounded better . Would an added dac to 4k player be added to enhance the sound.?
Recently hooked up a Sony dvd player that is about 10 years old, which I retired after moving to blu ray, to a new integrated amp and speakers, as a stop gap to getting a stand alone cd player and the sound is remarkably good. The dvd player plays SACD and there is a notable uplift in sound quality using this format, the sound is richer.
The Marantz has a slightly better Fill and the Bass Tones are Fuller but I'm impressed at how well the Sony does it Separation! For the price of a Cheap Blu-Ray player - it sounds fine...!
Thanks for the very meaningful compassion! If you use a decent Blue-Ray/SCAD player as transport only, and use the DAC from amplifier, it will be charging to find audible difference. I will be very interesting to know at WHAT level of speaker/amplifier can show the difference between these two options. I decide to use the Sony UPB X800 as my CD/SACD transport to feed into Hegel 120/B&W 704 pair. Many new amplifier will convert all signal to digital first, so I will by pass CD player's DAC regardless. I think the high priced CD transport is hype. I am still waiting for someone to convince me otherwise.
IS it really exactly the same DAC in your amplifier as in your marantz CD player. Marantz has CD players in different price ranges, probably with different DACs. The analog parts may also differ
I've opened them up and checked. They have the exact same DAC.
Great video and very unpretentious. I could just about hear the difference. The Marantz was slightly warmer and mainly had better channel separation But it was hard to hear - I had to concentrate!
Quality Problems with this Marantz-I have all sorts of Marantz products (and am quite happy with them,) but this one failed just after the warranty expired. It also lacks an eject function on the remote. Suggest you find something else or move upmarket in the Marantz lineup.
There's an eject button on the top left of the remote under the power button.
very nice sound of the surround
what source did YOU use both players probably have support for 24 Bit and 192 KHZ in WAV or AIFF. I also think that both players have support for DSD via the USB input. Then it might also matter what kind of music you play and who produced it. Is it, for example, music with real acoustic instruments or synthetic music
I've played many genres of music through them both plus WAV files through the USBs. I couldn't hear any difference.
I played your sound comparison through my KRK studio monitors which are flat response and pretty accurate to the source and I could hear the marantz had more body and richness to the sound , bass had more impact. OK it's not like night and day difference but I'd rather listen to the marantz CD player than the Sony but I guess if you didn't hear both side by side then you could be more than happy with the Sony which sounded fine. I was interested as I sourced one of these Marantz players for my father at a very good price and he thinks it sounds better than his previous audiolab player which was originally double the cost but had started to become a little troublesome ejecting etc. He is also using the Marantz player with an amplifier that costs many times the price of the PM6007 and it scales well - I believe it will play well with more expensive equipment. I don't know if I'm alone in thinking that upgrade of speakers and then amp make far more difference than which CD player you use , I heard a Primare CD player vs a budget Denon through some good mid-range equipment - the difference in the two players was minimal to my ears.
When I first watched this I was dumb. I did not know that the first track was the Marantz and then there was the swing to the Sony. By the way I have the Sony 800 2. The swing to the Sony coming second I noticed that for my ears it was a little muffled. I did not know the reason why and I did not know that there had been a swing to the Sony. On my third playing of the music I finally worked out that the Sony appeared and disappeared. I was just unobservant but I did notice the differences on the first 2. For my ears that are somewhat 66 years old and slightly damaged from the hands of past time I could hear the Marantz to be clearer and rounder. The Sony for me came second. But when I play music DVD's through my Sony 800 2 am I disappointed????? No!! Do I enjoy the music repo. and video YES!! But when I finally woke up to the vision part of the video the Marantz was better.
Everyone says you have to have your TV going to hear and to view track and counter.I run both into the receivers though hdmi .Perfect sound,and one isn't a blueray it's a pioneer dvd/cd player,and you got the advantage of course watching a movie or a music disc.I have had a dedicated cd player before and i wouldn't go back to one.
The Martz has just a tad bit more clarity. Sony, has a muffled sound. Very, very slight though. Is it worth the huge additional expense? Guess it depends on how picky you are.
With that said, I listen to all my CDs on a sony es dvd bluray player from around 2000 it not only sound great, but just beautiful to look at. Itsold for around $800 dollars back then. Just top notch quality. No way would I ever sell it. PS. Thank you for taking the time to do this great comparison.
Can you do a dac comparison? Isnt that the better way to comapre the two
The Sony doesn't have a DAC.
Interesting video, thank you :-) The question I have is can the Marantz player play Blu-ray audio discs?
Shut up man! R u nuts??
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How you've connected the Sony blu ray to the amplifier? using what kind of cable?
I used a coaxial cable.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Thank you!
Both sound the same, but Marantz is preatiest
Should compare the quality only with DACs
Love this comparison.
What are the speakers?
Dali Oberon 5s
I can feel a Christmas present coming on.
I have a PS3 going through the incredible qed reference optical cable to Yamaha as301.Its as if the qed gathers every scrap of detail from PS3 and sharpens it up.Equal to £500 cd players I've heard.
Sorry I disagree, I have a ps4 & used optical into the Marantz pm6007 £400 & it was mediocre not equal to a £500 cd player, I then purchased a marantz award winning cd6007 using the same optical lead & it was amazing, so much superior. Unless uou have tried it with a comparison it's hard to make that conclusion. P.S. The PS4 also plays flac files which is a bonus that's why I had mine set up like yours but, now my samsung s21 ultra with a hard drive attatched to the usb sends my 800 flac file albums to the marantz pm6007 via a Bluetooth recieving box attatched on my marantz pm6007.
@@ENGLISHISBESTyeah....I have made comparisons,that's why I made the statement.😂 The PS3 (mind with QED reference optical) was superior to Cambridge cx audiophile Blu-ray player and arcam rdac.
I asume you use the hdmi for the data transport to the amp (best option these days)
Because the data transfer makes a difference All optical en coaxial cables produce a different sound quality outcome on the receiving end Forget the " it's data it makes no difference" something to do with timings and clockspeeds of chips i believe
The amp and the CD player do not have HDMI inputs.
is it possible to insert a CD to the Blu Ray player and have it start without turning on the TV?
It is but you wouldn't know what track is playing as it doesn't have a display of its own.
Test how good SACD sounds. Please note output the signal as DSD if your amplifier supports it. by the way, shouldn't your Marantz CD player support DSD via USB?
The CD player can play DSD files via USB but the amplifier did not support DSD playback.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK So they make CD players that support DSD but not amplifiers? Or is your amplifier too cheap. Or they might have thought you would use the analog Sound input on the amplifier
I have to get up from my couch to change volume on my Bluray player, and then most times it skips a chapter. That's because volume no longer works on my remote. Therein you have your answer.
Couldn't hear a difference and didn't really expect to as you mentioned they use the same DAC. So the only difference between the two machines are the build quality. That being said I'm sure the quality built CD player will outlast the cheap Bluray player.
I bought a new remote for £10 on Amazon.
A very marginal difference between the two. Even I bought a CD player of NAD in 2007 and same time I bought a Pioneer DVD player, with major difference in cost. Till date Pioneer DVD player is running strong not even a single repair or change of lens whereas the NAD CD player gone thrice for repairs, out of which two times lens changed and one time there was humming when connection is taken from Analog RCA output.
Hi, Thanks for the video , really informative . I want to buy this blu-ray . Please guide how can i connect it with my Pre-Amplifier.
It only has HDMI or coaxial. Does your Pre-Amp have a coaxial in?
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Its ROTEL RTC-950 AX Pre-Amplifier . Only RCA cables can be used.
@@PaeanSoft you'd need a DAC with coaxial in and RCA out.
What does MOFI mean by this? do they mean that their discs should be available with 11.2 MHZ or what. should there be any SACD player that can read it from a disc. Maybe their own SACD player?
ULTRADISC UHR
This Ultra High-Resolution (UHR) dual-layer hybrid SACD is recorded with Direct Stream Digital technology at a sampling rate of 11.2MHz and a frequency response of DC to 100kHz. In addition, a high-precision down-conversion is utilized for the CD laye (16-bit/44.1kHz) to preserve the sonic integ of the original DSD capture. The result: Sta of-the-art sound on any machine that can p either standard compact discs or SACDS
Hi and thanks for comparing this! Can you please tell which cable did you connect between Sony and DAC, as Sony x700 only got HDMI and one Digital out Coax? Thank you in advance.
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@@UTILITARIANTVUK doesnt the coax use the receiver dac? If their both hooked up digitally then there should be no difference.
@@jeff666p yes, that was the point I was trying to address. The Sony does not have its own DAC. I did mention it in the video. 👍
@@UTILITARIANTVUK The Sony does have a DAC, otherwise it wouldn’t be able to output SACD content. The latter cannot be output thru coax/toslink. If you can, try to add this info as an extra to your video.
Another point which you didn’t discuss but could have is the fact that you need an external screen for the Sony if you want to see well any information. And there is of course the lifespan of both appliances. The Marantz cdp will far outlive the Sony.
@@musiclassica Sorry, but I can 100% guarantee that it does not have a DAC. You have to have an amp/home theatre that has a DAC capable of playing SACD//DSD.
Marantz definitely warmer ,but point taken on ability ,prefer the 6007 combo ,for my preference ,smooth jazz,which sounds terrific, through my Eltax speakers .
Great comparison,thanks for uploading the video,I had bought second hand a 9 year old Sony BDP-S760 it has it's own built in DAC,the built in DAC is no where near as good as my MHDT LAB that is from approx built in the same time period,I only paid $30 Australian approx 15 pounds,and man the sound is fantastic.
I know the Sony blue ray player sounds good with the DAC.but the DAC more expensive.how can I use the Blue ray directly to the amp(analog )thanks
Unless your amp has digital inputs (optical or coaxial) you'd have to use a DAC to convert the signal to analogue.
Both are going through your AVR and the Blue Ray player sounds great plus you can listen to SACD and Audio CD plus watch movies in 4 k win win.
if you listen to the snare sounds and High end information CLOSELY with good headphones or STUDIO monitors youll hear the Marantz is clearer. It IS close on some examples.
I wish the Sony UHD players had RCA outputs to run to a tape deck for recording. Odd user case I know, but it's what has me looking at a standalone CD player.
Sony did make a UHD player with RCA's but it was pretty expensive (UBP-X1000ES). Think it's discontinued now. I use an external DAC and run RCA's from that.
Does the sony x800 4k player have a dac?
It has no DAC.
you're 100% right no difference period good work!
Yo tampoco noté nada de diferencia en el sonido… los dos se escuchan igual. Saludos desde MEXICO!
what about load time? That's key. I somehow doubt the Sony has faster disc load up time than the Marantz? Your thinking seems so basic to me.
The Sony X700's disc load up is 300 times faster than an X1000ES.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK hahahahahahahaha. Well my CDP-911 loads 7000 times faster than a Sony X700! Tested in 1990s Japanese G-Force labs set up to study Godzilla.
My Rotel RCD-02 was recorded opening and closing at Mach 2 by NASA in 2010.
As commented, the only real comparison is to compare both devices through the amp’s DAC
The amp and the Cd player have the exact same dac?
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Yes, I understand that, but the only real valid test was to use the same cable and dac into the amp for a proper comparison, testing the digital output of both the BR and CD players in turn. Using the dac for the Sony but an analogue connection into the amp from the CD player is useful as an a/b comparison as proof of concept, but nothing more. I’m sure that the results would be similar, but, IMO, your test was not as comprehensive as it could have been. A useful YT video, nevertheless. TVM.
The BR player doesn't have a DAC and therefore, no digital output stage. It was being used as a transport only. With the CD player and the amp having the exact same DAC and implementation, it's highly unlikely the analogue connection would yield a different result.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Probably not, but the only true comparison is to use both the CD and BR players as transports only, and use the same cable and connection into the amp's DAC. That way, the only variables are the source devices, not the back end.
Marantz has a little more bass and the sound is a little more accurate, but the difference is so small that I wouldn't rate it at 250 bucks. So don't be upset, Marantz sounds better.
It's written in the specs that the Marantz can play SACD.
It cannot, where it shows SACD in the specs, look at SACD start mode, it reads, 'no' Also, go to CD and SACD players and highlight SACD to narrow your search. The CD6007 does not appear. www.marantz.com/en-gb/category/cd-players
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Strange. Maybe it relates to the change of chipset from AKM to ESS? I just bought one of these units... it says cd 6007 b1t. How can I tell if it has the AKM or ESS chip inside? Thanks
You will need to take the top off to see. I did it here th-cam.com/video/v7kdz77iSgI/w-d-xo.html
@@UTILITARIANTVUK @UTILITARIAN TV Very useful. Incidentally, I see that the "Complete Digital Source Player" SACD 30n (which supports FLAC, and retailing @ £3000) -- does not support SACD! 😀 But I am curious: will the Marantz (and others similarly afflicted) not play SACDs at all, or just play them like "ordinary" CDs (i.e. without the SA layer)?
Well, my treasured integrated does not have a DAC, so I will stick with my CD player.
Technically we are using same DAC.. either from CD player or Sony using Amp DAC. Wouldn’t that give obviously same result? Saying this as DAC will do heavy lifting.. your thoughts
Yes. In order to hear a difference you would need to hook them up with analog connections
As I understand, he is not using the same dac, he is connecting the Sony via coax cable to the amp, so, the amp's dac is processing the audio, the Marantz is connected using the rca output, Marantz's integrated dac is doing the process
@@GabrielZ_R Exactly.. bcoz both units have same DAC right? Marantz CD Player or Marantz Amp he said both are same. Wondering if results will be same.. I mean Marantz Amp and Marantz CD player have same DAC when it comes to processing audio before hitting speakers
I have the SONY UBP X800 4Blu-ray
Sony is crisper and shows less sounds, Marantz is Naturales, Deepest and general sound is simply natural and very good and ears dont complain at all !
What is name of first music please?
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Can you please do the fallowing: Find any cheap DVD player with analog RCA output, connect it to your amplifier, and listen to music using the DVD player's DAC, then compare it with your Marantz CD Player! Believe me, you gonna be very surprised - THERE WILL BE NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL !!!
JUST CHECK IT !!!
marantz has a CD player that can play SACD. And Sony has UHD Blu-ray players in the 800 series
The Sony sounds brighter and leaner
if you change your amp the sony will not work unless you have another dac and the sound will change for good or worst and then you need a tv on top of your system to handle the sony, I still have my marantz 8001 from 15 years ago and still works very well. And aesthetics do matter, at least to me.
Anyone that commented they heard a difference needs to have their hearing checked.
The Marantz cd player can’t play sacd???? Thanks but I’m not buying it!!!!
The Marantz has a better soundstage, as far as I can hear it through my crappy tablet. It's dedicated to play cd's. I think it last also much longer.
I taught that both sounded great, But I think your hearing has a lot to do with it. I am in the market right now on buying a new cd player my JVC after 35 years has died
The Marantz has much better transient response and instrument separation.
Por fin una comparación . No se nota diferencia alguna, pero vendrán los entendidos y dirán que el espacio sonoro, la escena musical, la dirección de las ondas y más chorradas. Un lector es un lector ,un rayito que lee lo que hay, y punto. Y bueno, has puesto un reproductor de cd de lo más normalito, que para los tontos ricos los hay de 6.000 euros para arriba, allá cada uno con su dinero,por supuesto. Deben tener oidos de dioses.
I'm just in the middle of filming a review on the Sony UPB X800 4k Blu-ray player. It can upscale CDs to a higher resolution using DSEE HX. To my ears, it actually sounds better than a CD player!
@@UTILITARIANTVUK yo pienso, desde mi más absoluta ignorancia, que lo que hay grabado en un cd es lo que hay y no se puede mejorar.
The Marantz cd player sounds better. I would choose a higher end blu ray player like the Panasonic that costs $1000. That would be more interesting.
Eu escutei cuidadosamente com um excelente par de fones de ouvido Pioneer e, tal qual você, nao percebi nenhuma diferença. Ambos são maravilhosos. Obrigado.
The Sony is a bit rolled of treble and less ambient sound to it.
Couldn't tell the difference.
One is a work machine, plays 50 years cd s and stays quiet.
Second plays maybe also 50 years but going make more mechanical noise year to year and lost value.
The Sony is better for me.
But the difference is very very little.
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WOW there is a difference in the minute 6:3-6 in favor of sony
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO................DIFFERENCE.....................Soundwise
Marantz Is Better ,more bass
If you can close your eyes and even tell when the switch happens you have better hearing than me. (or more likely you're full of crap)
The Marantz is better
🤣🤣👍👍does ordinary sony bluray player do the same??...have you ever checked??
They sound exactly same.
Sony
I Would Keep The CD Player So You Don't Burn Out The Blue-Ray Player to Soon
Marrantz sound more natural and "alive" than the 4k player