What's your brake and tyre setup mate? I've got a 280 Cup, currently running RS4's with stock Brembo pads which I'm super happy with, but always interested to try other combinations!
As an owner of a 21 RS Trophy (not R) Im always fairly surprised at how often these get overlooked in favour of GTI/Golf Rs, Type R civics etc. They’re such a beautiful car and they drive insane. The rear wheel steering takes a bit to get used to but once you do, they’re so much fun. The weakness is the shitty stock tires - my non R comes with Potenza S001s and honestly PS4s are infinitely better in my opinion and less tire roar too. Great video!
What’s the best way to drive the car… slow into the corner or how do you put the car through a bend ?? I’m about to take delivery of a trophy and I have never driven the 4 wheel steering hard down a b road before?
@@S29ORY I haven't tracked mine so I've only really leant on the car heavily in a road driving sense. At high speeds, the elongation of the wheel base is awesome, they feel really stable. In a sharp bend/hairpin, it feels a little odd like you're losing the back end, which is the bit to get used to. I also recommend ditching the factory tires (mine had Bridgestone S001s which were shite) - I've put Michelin PS4S's on it now, and it's a totally different car.
There’s no ‘ice mode’ in ABS. It’s a state estimation controller and legally ABS can’t change based on mode. It works on wheel stability, so looks at deceleration of the wheel against reference speed. There is of course a cycle time for the controller. Main question is, if you don’t have ABS do you brake over the jump? And if so, are you able to react to the inevitable wheel lock over the crest in time to come off the brake pedal, allow the wheels to recover and turn back in? If a car is modified with different brakes or wheels/tyres, you change the wheel inertia and the pressure/wheel force relationship. In this situation, you’re more likely to trigger ABS and it will trigger incorrectly as you’ve changed some physical parameters in a the closed look control. If you’re interested, the Bosch automotive handbook goes into the basics of ABS control logic and might help your understanding which in turn can help your driving technique in cars with ABS.
'Ice mode' was definitely a thing in some older GM vehicles. It is often mistakenly used to describe unexpected and prolonged ABS intervention. You hit the pedal and literally get no brakes. Aftermarket wheels/tyres/brakes have a minor effect on ABS behaviour but are not significant contributing factors to the 'ice mode' experience. The frequency of intervention is driven by the slip ratio tolerance and wheel speed deltas. The issue Misha experiences here is related to the ABS unit miscalculating the reference speed when some wheels leave the ground and it thinks the car is sliding when wheels are back on the ground with brakes applied. If you see other examples of this behaviour in motorsport it will usually involve the car coming over a crest or bumps in the road.
@@tayf85 And don’t get me started on bikes. God i hate abs on bikes. Most bikes (some do it good) have such bad abs that makes the bike not only work agains you, but to the point that the it sometimes doesn’t even let you brake at all. It will pump so definitely gonna upset the balance at that point to. Which at the same time making you shift the weight to further weakening the traction and basically making it so that you lose control
@@tayf85 modern ABS logic doesn’t generally use slip as a target. It uses wheel inertia and looks at individual wheel deceleration rather than slip. Reference speed is also generally not generally much of an issue for ABS in high mu situations. What is likely happening is the mu estimation learns down from 1 as the wheels go light over the crest. This will j instantly mean the logic now needs to learn back up to a higher mu which it can only do relatively conservatively since the increased wheel deceleration due to the reduced contact patch load could be very real (ie the car could have just crossed from high mu to polished/black ice) This isn’t ‘ice mode’ though. It’s just the overall mu dependent relationship between wheel deceleration and mu. Hence there is no logic that is an ice mode. Simply a reaction to the available grip level. A skilled driver with knowledge of the track could of course reapply the brakes with higher confidence than the ABS controller due to the fact they’re self aware and have eyes. However, a skilled driver should also be able to realise that they should lift the brakes over the crest. Which is exactly what they should do without ABS too. So in summary, ABS has no ‘ice mode’ and the reduction in brake pressure due to the crest could simply be avoided by driving as you would without abs.
"Always be careful for rental cars" He says and slows down from 200 to a careful 170 :D Nice to see a fellow Swede as well, makes me think that I have to go down for some hot laps as well ;)
Well, if you put different brake pads on, the parameter application of the ABS from factory is kinda thrown over. If you keep the stock pads, it would work spot on. If you change something major on the brakes, you would need a different application to make it work spot on again. And, you seemed to be braking at Pflanzgarten right on the crest, where the car gets light. The wheels will lock up a lot faster there because they are in the air. If you would do that with a car with an older ABS system, it wouldn't recover as fast as it does on the M4RS with so-called Conti ABS-Gen3.
In my old 996 turbo, the ABS used to trip out on the exit of the concrete section in Karussell in the wet. You'd get two warning messages on the dash; "ABS fault", then"TC off". Would re-set in car park when ignition switched off, but it meant, I think, you did lap from Hohe Act without electronic aids.
I had that happen twice in pflanzgarten to me now. Lucky I reflexed to let off the pedal and hit it again what you normally would do on a car with no abs when it locks up. I guess on my car its not over sensitive but just slow old 90‘s abs that is not as precise as a newer system.🤷🏻♂️
@@mgcharoudin yeah u mentioned it at the end of the video.. it is intresting.. because the normal 4 series dosn't have such issiue.. at least i didn't had one.. but yeah M2
Can't wait to bring my RS to the Ring. I've been there twice with rental and a family car e I really like this hotlaps video of the Nordschleife with hatchbacks just to take some reference points
Sensitive ABS is the worst. I once had it fully stop me from braking in the snow. I could steer so there was some grip but no braking at all. I was only going ~30 down a hill towards a roundabout trying to pump the pedal to get it to work, try the handbrake and swerving to bleed as much speed as I could. Thankfully the car on the roundabout I had to stop for saw me struggling and slowed down to let me on but damn that was scary. Surprisingly driving around the roundabout was completely fine but I don't want to be in that situation when going at any sort of speed. I decided against using summer tyres in snow after that
Can confirm different brakes pads, especially on street tires, can make abs weird. I have pmu club racer pads on ps4s and always had this issue on track. Roughly after 3-4 laps. I always thought it was the pad/rotor not being happy but now realized it’s probably the tire overheating with too much stopping power.
Oh that ABS thing is interesting, i never heard of that issue but looking back on it i think my old mazda 2 had the same problem when doing "spirited street driving". on my commuter road there is a dip where it goes from smooth tarmac into some meters of slippery cobblestones, right before a tight right hander. when i hit the brakes on that few meters of cobblestones of course the ABS kicked in and its like braking on ice, but braking power never recovered on the following tarmac before the turn. braking later just after the cobblestones or letting go of the brakes for a split second solved that situation, but man was it scary when it first happened.
Even not on a track one of my company vans had an abs unit go down twice. VW Caddy for ref: The abs valve unit had locked shut to the front right wheel so as you were breaking especially on left turns it would think you had no grip so released the breaks to ALL the wheels accelerating around the corner and smashing thankfully into a curb. When it goes faulty or is over sensitive ABS can lethal and when you're on snow or ice it can be just as destructive but on a normal dry road it's great.
With you just jumping into this car and going for it, do you reckon if you had some more time to learn the limits of the car you could push it farther? or do you just feel the limits from your experience. I've just got my Leon back after an engine replacement and I'm having to learn the limits again.
Definitely hasn't learnt the limits yet, but he's also not pushing the car all he can either, he's breaking earlier in some parts and not as aggressive. But Misha would be an imbecile if he didn't haha.
On my mk1 TT ABS goed into icemode if I'm to agressive with applying the brakes. Really scary sometimes, especially in the wet. Somehow changing the brakebias more to the rear with the big brake kit has massively reduced the issue.
All Meganes have a very playful but light rear end, even more so at high speeds. You let go off the throttle at the wrong time on the ring and you're gone. The Megane 3 RS is like that too, but at the same time it's so communicative and with lots of feel and feedback through the steering and from the front tyres that it's very easy and fun to drive at the limit if you know your road. It's not the best and most stable for high speed cornering though in stock trim
Same problem with old E36 abs system there, just need to be sure that the car already hits the ground and than push the break. I had few bad situations there and I've almost finished on the grass. 😀
I don't know about newer cars but older cars we used to be able to take the fuse for the ABS out when needed, can you do that with the newer cars I wonder
My 997 GT3 has this so much! Whenever I stamp the brakes too quickly (on track), the front wheels are (obviously in a 911) still very unloaded and assumingly get a tiny lockup. This results in ABS freaking out, giving me a very hard pedal and no way to build up more brake pressure. Very very scary whenever it happens, especially because it's often in those situations where I have to react to something unexpected in front of me and I need all the brakes I could get. I keep wondering if a race-ABS system would be able to re-evaluate the available grip levels in a smarter way, recognizing there is now more available grip on the front wheels due to the weight transfer and give me all the braking performance that I need in that moment. I've learned to work around the problem with a more gradual braking application on push-laps, but I'm still afraid that one day this will catch up with me. I'm also unconvinced that letting go of the brakes and re-applying myself is the right move in such a moment, but I haven't found a time and place to safely evaluate this approach (and then to internalize it!)
Common problem on any production car when driven at race pace. My friend's F80 does the same thing. Very scary and curbs your confidence in the car. The only solution is the Bosch M5 Motorsport ABS kit which is $$$$ and against the regs for production car racing.
That is really interesting about the ABS, I have never experienced it as yet at the same point. Mine is just the Trophy so unsure if it has exactly the same setup (but slightly heavier so would have assumed the ABS would be a bit more jittery) but i am also running Endless pads and uprated lines. I only run in full race mode as well so whether that makes a difference as well?
Really good lap, and interesting to see the trophy R with standard wheel and brake package, as a lot of the advertising material had the car with carbon ceramic brakes and carbon wheels. I'm surprised about the tyre choice, as the potenza s007 is more of a sport GT tyre, but still did it's job and seem to not hinder the performance of the car's handling. Also maybe I'm too used to seeing modified cars with re003/004 or the higher spec re71rs tyres. But just glad the s007 performed well. 🙇
S007 I think they're actually slower than the MPS4S. I'm sure they're good, but it makes no sense to build such a radical car and then not put the best road tyres available on it.
@@MajorAMinor The S007 is a semi slick tire developed for the Trophy R, it comes with 4mm and I can tell you they are a much faster Tyres than a PS4S, I’ve got a Trophy R with the same tires and a set of PS4S on a spare set , the S007 is a better dry track tire.
I love this car, how fast did you go? abs issue is strange no. looks quite tricky to drive. did you get chance to adjust the suspension, apparently Renault recommend a tune for that track on the spring and damper settings.
Hey Misha. Why not put your card on a lanyard with a retracting cable. You have mentioned a few times about forgetting your ring pass… after you touch the gate put it inside your t shirt….
Death trap... It seems like a rare thing to happen on a public road, but i still think its inhumane to have computer determine can you brake or not... I dont trust computers... They were built by humans
een instructeur zei tegen mij dat je het beste voor de drop uitgeremd moet zijn, en zie dit ook vaak terug bij nls/ 24 enzovoort, hoe denk jij hierover?
Either the tires are defect or the brake rotors. I heard that brake sound before, it was when I didn't brake in the brakes and got that weird wobbling sound.. something is up there.
Interesting and annoying problem that overly sensitive abs. I ques i have been lucky with my abs systems in my cars. I have been in situation with one of my cars, when i was in air during hard corner and that car handled it very well :)
This car is incredible, love it. I hope i can buy the trophy 300 version at january, next year. I need one of these meganes. Love them. It seems it was fun to drive Misha, and looks pretty fast actually. How do you feel?
I hate the S007 Bridgestone tyres on my Trophy-R. The turn-in is great but they are useless and dangerous when cold and when warm they are about same level as the PS4S. I love the PS4S but I expect more from a tyre on a car like this that needs extended warm up like a Cup 2 tyre before you can actually pace it. I don't get it. Renault Sport put so much money and engineering into this car and they put UHP level wanna be semi slick tyres on it. Even if they have a deal with Bridgestone they should have made faster tyres available as an option. They also could have easily shaved 4-5 seconds off the Nürburgring time. I've seen a test where the Cup 2 tyres were half a second faster than the S007 RS on a 50 second track and they were pretty much dead even with the PS4S. A little mind boggling
The car did 3 laps more the day after this lap with Misha and different passengers and also a 20-25min sprint on Spa-Francorchamps day after that and they still work great but i also think that it sounds like they are totally out in the video 😅 I dident think it sound so bad inside the car as it sounds in the video. But my lap was faster so maybe Misha dident break... 😍😆😬😇🤣👌 Thanks again Misha and Adde for this awesome experience ✌
Its a beep to notify you when you are nearing red line. Its in the Mk3 and up. Unsure if you can get rid of it. You tend to not notice it when driving.
It's the notification (sound and green gear icon on dashboard) for suggestion to shift gear up when you get to optimum RPM in current gear. Standard feature on all RS models, it can be switched off.
By the way if anyone has not seen the lap Adam Christodoulou then you can find it here. Probably one of my favorite Ring lap video's ever. th-cam.com/video/WURiEVJCAHw/w-d-xo.html
I have a Megane RS. When pushing I don't need to look at the rev counter, I just wait on the beep and change gear. For that reason I wouldn't be without it actually.
Didn't ask him to do a lap so we could take it easy. Driven just the way i wanted it to be done so i could see and feel what could be done with The car :)
@@therollerkid we didnt crash so that question dosen't have a answer.. enjoy The lap instead. The car is back in Sweden and i'm more happy with it than ever before, thabks to Misha and some fast laps at Spa :)
Misha, thank you for the awesome lap! And later the laps with my friends!
Was it better in racemode?
Yeah it was awesome! Thanks Misha for a amazing lap and Adde that you let me go for a lap in your car with Misha 🥰
Thank you! Unfortunately it was the same in race mode :(
@@mgcharoudin ah well just need to adapt to it then i guess.. and it wount be flying again IF The driver isn't you ;)
What's your brake and tyre setup mate? I've got a 280 Cup, currently running RS4's with stock Brembo pads which I'm super happy with, but always interested to try other combinations!
@@KarlDutschke stock Bridgestone potenza s007 RS tires.Stock discs, with EBC RP-X pads in The front and ferodo ds2500 in The rear
One of the most beautiful, if not the most, modern hatchbacks and seems to be fun to drive to! Excellent package!
It really is beautiful
Thank you!😍
#1 Drivers hatchback
Defined not the most beautiful but it is nice
Together with the 308 GTI 270 they are hothatch king
These Megane's don't get the recognition they deserve
They do but as all french cars they only get this recognition in france
@@parpaing_1 i'm french and no, they don't at all here in france lol
@@COD4TUBE67 bah si bien sur, y'en a treize a la douzaine des megane rs en france
Tout à fait d accord j espère qu il vont la continuer ❤❤❤❤😊
As an owner of a 21 RS Trophy (not R) Im always fairly surprised at how often these get overlooked in favour of GTI/Golf Rs, Type R civics etc. They’re such a beautiful car and they drive insane. The rear wheel steering takes a bit to get used to but once you do, they’re so much fun. The weakness is the shitty stock tires - my non R comes with Potenza S001s and honestly PS4s are infinitely better in my opinion and less tire roar too. Great video!
Golf GTI and R are jokes compared to a Megane RS especially in corner where they go straight lol.
What’s the best way to drive the car… slow into the corner or how do you put the car through a bend ?? I’m about to take delivery of a trophy and I have never driven the 4 wheel steering hard down a b road before?
@@S29ORY I haven't tracked mine so I've only really leant on the car heavily in a road driving sense. At high speeds, the elongation of the wheel base is awesome, they feel really stable. In a sharp bend/hairpin, it feels a little odd like you're losing the back end, which is the bit to get used to. I also recommend ditching the factory tires (mine had Bridgestone S001s which were shite) - I've put Michelin PS4S's on it now, and it's a totally different car.
There’s no ‘ice mode’ in ABS. It’s a state estimation controller and legally ABS can’t change based on mode. It works on wheel stability, so looks at deceleration of the wheel against reference speed. There is of course a cycle time for the controller.
Main question is, if you don’t have ABS do you brake over the jump? And if so, are you able to react to the inevitable wheel lock over the crest in time to come off the brake pedal, allow the wheels to recover and turn back in?
If a car is modified with different brakes or wheels/tyres, you change the wheel inertia and the pressure/wheel force relationship. In this situation, you’re more likely to trigger ABS and it will trigger incorrectly as you’ve changed some physical parameters in a the closed look control.
If you’re interested, the Bosch automotive handbook goes into the basics of ABS control logic and might help your understanding which in turn can help your driving technique in cars with ABS.
I would like to read more about the specifics of this, do you have a link or good search term to find this?
'Ice mode' was definitely a thing in some older GM vehicles. It is often mistakenly used to describe unexpected and prolonged ABS intervention. You hit the pedal and literally get no brakes. Aftermarket wheels/tyres/brakes have a minor effect on ABS behaviour but are not significant contributing factors to the 'ice mode' experience. The frequency of intervention is driven by the slip ratio tolerance and wheel speed deltas. The issue Misha experiences here is related to the ABS unit miscalculating the reference speed when some wheels leave the ground and it thinks the car is sliding when wheels are back on the ground with brakes applied. If you see other examples of this behaviour in motorsport it will usually involve the car coming over a crest or bumps in the road.
@@tayf85 And don’t get me started on bikes. God i hate abs on bikes. Most bikes (some do it good) have such bad abs that makes the bike not only work agains you, but to the point that the it sometimes doesn’t even let you brake at all. It will pump so definitely gonna upset the balance at that point to. Which at the same time making you shift the weight to further weakening the traction and basically making it so that you lose control
@@tayf85 modern ABS logic doesn’t generally use slip as a target. It uses wheel inertia and looks at individual wheel deceleration rather than slip. Reference speed is also generally not generally much of an issue for ABS in high mu situations.
What is likely happening is the mu estimation learns down from 1 as the wheels go light over the crest. This will j instantly mean the logic now needs to learn back up to a higher mu which it can only do relatively conservatively since the increased wheel deceleration due to the reduced contact patch load could be very real (ie the car could have just crossed from high mu to polished/black ice)
This isn’t ‘ice mode’ though. It’s just the overall mu dependent relationship between wheel deceleration and mu. Hence there is no logic that is an ice mode. Simply a reaction to the available grip level.
A skilled driver with knowledge of the track could of course reapply the brakes with higher confidence than the ABS controller due to the fact they’re self aware and have eyes. However, a skilled driver should also be able to realise that they should lift the brakes over the crest. Which is exactly what they should do without ABS too.
So in summary, ABS has no ‘ice mode’ and the reduction in brake pressure due to the crest could simply be avoided by driving as you would without abs.
Well it’s false it can’t change based on modes, some cars or bikes have plus 5 settings and even let a bit of slide
"Always be careful for rental cars" He says and slows down from 200 to a careful 170 :D Nice to see a fellow Swede as well, makes me think that I have to go down for some hot laps as well ;)
Misha “the more I drive it the more I like it.” Passenger tightens harness. 😂
😂
beautiful car and beautiful sunset lap. nice job misha!
abs saved my ass a cuple of times. Yeah, sometimes it works against you, but in 95% of the cases it´s awesome
If abs causes you problems, it would seem to me that you may be going a bit fast for a TF session. Just a thought
@@_Bryant.R my exact toughts.
Well, if you put different brake pads on, the parameter application of the ABS from factory is kinda thrown over. If you keep the stock pads, it would work spot on. If you change something major on the brakes, you would need a different application to make it work spot on again. And, you seemed to be braking at Pflanzgarten right on the crest, where the car gets light. The wheels will lock up a lot faster there because they are in the air. If you would do that with a car with an older ABS system, it wouldn't recover as fast as it does on the M4RS with so-called Conti ABS-Gen3.
In my old 996 turbo, the ABS used to trip out on the exit of the concrete section in Karussell in the wet. You'd get two warning messages on the dash; "ABS fault", then"TC off". Would re-set in car park when ignition switched off, but it meant, I think, you did lap from Hohe Act without electronic aids.
Camera angle worked perfect and sound was good. Enjoyed the lap.👌
I could see importing the Megane Trophy-R to the USA when it turns 25. Its a very cool car.
Why is it so ridicilous that a car has to be 25yo. It used to be to protect the domestic brands or something right?
I had that happen twice in pflanzgarten to me now. Lucky I reflexed to let off the pedal and hit it again what you normally would do on a car with no abs when it locks up.
I guess on my car its not over sensitive but just slow old 90‘s abs that is not as precise as a newer system.🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I do let go, but that micro second delay is just... no.
@@mgcharoudin it is so annoying in some cars it takes forever… bmw tho got it right
@@MaciekJutrzenka except for M4, it's a drama there
@@mgcharoudin yeah u mentioned it at the end of the video.. it is intresting.. because the normal 4 series dosn't have such issiue.. at least i didn't had one.. but yeah M2
I'm a fk8 and honda fan but cannot love this amazing car 👌 btw amazing lap 😉
Can't wait to bring my RS to the Ring. I've been there twice with rental and a family car e I really like this hotlaps video of the Nordschleife with hatchbacks just to take some reference points
Wow, what an awesome video of an awesome car at an awesome track. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for the explanation in the end. Didn't know this! And I'm glad I do now :)
That is a good car 👌
The Bridgestone make good Work.
✌😊 buonasera Misha
Sensitive ABS is the worst. I once had it fully stop me from braking in the snow. I could steer so there was some grip but no braking at all. I was only going ~30 down a hill towards a roundabout trying to pump the pedal to get it to work, try the handbrake and swerving to bleed as much speed as I could. Thankfully the car on the roundabout I had to stop for saw me struggling and slowed down to let me on but damn that was scary. Surprisingly driving around the roundabout was completely fine but I don't want to be in that situation when going at any sort of speed. I decided against using summer tyres in snow after that
Underrated
Bruh
Summer tires in snow, what a brilliant idea!
@@nickos1397 nothing could go wrong.
Can confirm different brakes pads, especially on street tires, can make abs weird. I have pmu club racer pads on ps4s and always had this issue on track. Roughly after 3-4 laps. I always thought it was the pad/rotor not being happy but now realized it’s probably the tire overheating with too much stopping power.
It's sad to say that this is the last Megane RS ever, at least a proper one that won't be electric.
Electric>ICE
Problem isn't that it probably would be electric. In fact I believe it will be good if done properly. But it wont be an RS. It would be Alpine.
Oh that ABS thing is interesting, i never heard of that issue but looking back on it i think my old mazda 2 had the same problem when doing "spirited street driving". on my commuter road there is a dip where it goes from smooth tarmac into some meters of slippery cobblestones, right before a tight right hander. when i hit the brakes on that few meters of cobblestones of course the ABS kicked in and its like braking on ice, but braking power never recovered on the following tarmac before the turn. braking later just after the cobblestones or letting go of the brakes for a split second solved that situation, but man was it scary when it first happened.
Even not on a track one of my company vans had an abs unit go down twice. VW Caddy for ref: The abs valve unit had locked shut to the front right wheel so as you were breaking especially on left turns it would think you had no grip so released the breaks to ALL the wheels accelerating around the corner and smashing thankfully into a curb. When it goes faulty or is over sensitive ABS can lethal and when you're on snow or ice it can be just as destructive but on a normal dry road it's great.
i think on race mod the abs is quiet different but i'm not sure ! but pretty nice lap !
I like the new cams, more intense to watch laps some way.. not sure how this works, but I like it
I also have the new Trophy R and on Uk track days if we use stock pads they don’t last a full day so a pad upgrade is a must
With you just jumping into this car and going for it, do you reckon if you had some more time to learn the limits of the car you could push it farther? or do you just feel the limits from your experience. I've just got my Leon back after an engine replacement and I'm having to learn the limits again.
Definitely hasn't learnt the limits yet, but he's also not pushing the car all he can either, he's breaking earlier in some parts and not as aggressive. But Misha would be an imbecile if he didn't haha.
He didn't drive on the limit at all.
My dream car except the lotus Elise cup. Great lap Misha!
You have good taste
@@supraJZA80s thanks man!
On my mk1 TT ABS goed into icemode if I'm to agressive with applying the brakes. Really scary sometimes, especially in the wet. Somehow changing the brakebias more to the rear with the big brake kit has massively reduced the issue.
On CH-R hybrid its rly strong. Small bump and even if u not on brakes it turn of recuperation.
Either those RS's are very common on the Ring or they must be a handfull to drive, because Nurburgring crash compilations are full of those cars.
All Meganes have a very playful but light rear end, even more so at high speeds. You let go off the throttle at the wrong time on the ring and you're gone. The Megane 3 RS is like that too, but at the same time it's so communicative and with lots of feel and feedback through the steering and from the front tyres that it's very easy and fun to drive at the limit if you know your road. It's not the best and most stable for high speed cornering though in stock trim
Exact part where you had the near death laugh in the AMG GT R haha
Which video
@@mehdihayoula9217 this one, 14:59
did u enjoy driving it? renaults rs (clio or megane) are my favorite hot hatchbacks outthere
Same problem with old E36 abs system there, just need to be sure that the car already hits the ground and than push the break. I had few bad situations there and I've almost finished on the grass. 😀
You can feel the incredible chassis through the video, such a shame for the ABS but it's a commom issue on modern cars on race mode.
I don't know about newer cars but older cars we used to be able to take the fuse for the ABS out when needed, can you do that with the newer cars I wonder
I always pull the fuse in my clio 2 when going on the ring. With abs i would go straight into the wall
great vid DEXTER !!
My 997 GT3 has this so much! Whenever I stamp the brakes too quickly (on track), the front wheels are (obviously in a 911) still very unloaded and assumingly get a tiny lockup. This results in ABS freaking out, giving me a very hard pedal and no way to build up more brake pressure. Very very scary whenever it happens, especially because it's often in those situations where I have to react to something unexpected in front of me and I need all the brakes I could get. I keep wondering if a race-ABS system would be able to re-evaluate the available grip levels in a smarter way, recognizing there is now more available grip on the front wheels due to the weight transfer and give me all the braking performance that I need in that moment. I've learned to work around the problem with a more gradual braking application on push-laps, but I'm still afraid that one day this will catch up with me. I'm also unconvinced that letting go of the brakes and re-applying myself is the right move in such a moment, but I haven't found a time and place to safely evaluate this approach (and then to internalize it!)
Great lap. Looks to be a very capable car. Mégane 3 RS don't have snap oversteer. It's a seat / steeringwheel interface issue.
You're wrong. Megane 3 RS does have lift off oversteer big time
Cobblestones roads in old cities like Bruges or Gent are always fun for ABS testing. Especially when they're wet ( and you're on 2 wheels :) )
ohh no...
it doesnt look like the car is on race, that is a big reason for the abs, im running tarox disk and endless peds and no issues at all
Common problem on any production car when driven at race pace. My friend's F80 does the same thing. Very scary and curbs your confidence in the car. The only solution is the Bosch M5 Motorsport ABS kit which is $$$$ and against the regs for production car racing.
Or when Walter Röhrl crashed the 918 - wouldn't have happened without ABS or with race ABS.
That is really interesting about the ABS, I have never experienced it as yet at the same point. Mine is just the Trophy so unsure if it has exactly the same setup (but slightly heavier so would have assumed the ABS would be a bit more jittery) but i am also running Endless pads and uprated lines. I only run in full race mode as well so whether that makes a difference as well?
Obviously, Trophy R is much more capable than regular Trophy so yeah there is a big difference.
@@supposedly6991 There really isnt :).
Really good lap, and interesting to see the trophy R with standard wheel and brake package, as a lot of the advertising material had the car with carbon ceramic brakes and carbon wheels.
I'm surprised about the tyre choice, as the potenza s007 is more of a sport GT tyre, but still did it's job and seem to not hinder the performance of the car's handling.
Also maybe I'm too used to seeing modified cars with re003/004 or the higher spec re71rs tyres. But just glad the s007 performed well. 🙇
over £20000 for wheels and brakes, makes your heart stop for a second haha
S007 RS is the standard tire for the Trophy R atleast in Sweden and it is actually really good and affordable :)
S007 I think they're actually slower than the MPS4S. I'm sure they're good, but it makes no sense to build such a radical car and then not put the best road tyres available on it.
@@MajorAMinor The S007 is a semi slick tire developed for the Trophy R, it comes with 4mm and I can tell you they are a much faster Tyres than a PS4S, I’ve got a Trophy R with the same tires and a set of PS4S on a spare set , the S007 is a better dry track tire.
I love this car, how fast did you go? abs issue is strange no. looks quite tricky to drive. did you get chance to adjust the suspension, apparently Renault recommend a tune for that track on the spring and damper settings.
Suspension was not adjusted NO. Straight out of factory settings.
Can you not do something about the ABS through software adjustments?
The actual Audi RS3 holds the Hatchback record on Nürburgring atm, right?
Thats nice fast lap. With i could buy the "normal" RS. But sadly not possible anymore in the Netherlands (Also import made to expensive)
Which one is better, Megane RS or Golf R?
9:33 Whats the reason these Ford stations drive around the track?
Also does this Megane have auto rev matching when downshifting?
Hey Misha. Why not put your card on a lanyard with a retracting cable. You have mentioned a few times about forgetting your ring pass… after you touch the gate put it inside your t shirt….
Where could i learn about whats going on in the drive train when harsh braking and locking up with or without abs
Death trap... It seems like a rare thing to happen on a public road, but i still think its inhumane to have computer determine can you brake or not... I dont trust computers... They were built by humans
So were the components of the car.
Still waiting the tractor video (I know the reasons Misha but from now on imma leave this comment on every video till you make it).
I thought Darkside still had it
Hallo Misha, nice lap
That's an interesting note about the megane. I'll try lift off the brakes when i'm taking mine off of some sweet jumps 😂
how did you know abs kicked in? i've never felt it so how would you describe?
The brake pedal starts vibrating and pushing back rapidly and you can feel and hear the car grabbing the brakes and letting off.
9>30 - Bit of a pucker moment there for sure dude, not many options!
Had the same issue in my E46 each time in plfanzgarten, really scary. Could not time the brakes right. Just had to push really hard after the bump
What was the car chasing at the end? Looks black and could keep up!
Great vid as always Misha.
This car is amazing!
How would You compare Megane to Leon CUPRA?
Handles better in curves , worse in acceleration
een instructeur zei tegen mij dat je het beste voor de drop uitgeremd moet zijn, en zie dit ook vaak terug bij nls/ 24 enzovoort, hoe denk jij hierover?
Stick it race mode, and you have no problem with the ABS :-)
Either the tires are defect or the brake rotors. I heard that brake sound before, it was when I didn't brake in the brakes and got that weird wobbling sound.. something is up there.
EBC brake pads are dog shit, had the same sound with brand new EBC yellow stuff pads, will never buy this brand ever again.
Almost brown code capt.
Interesting and annoying problem that overly sensitive abs. I ques i have been lucky with my abs systems in my cars. I have been in situation with one of my cars, when i was in air during hard corner and that car handled it very well :)
The pedal position ist not friendly for heel and toe isn’t it?
This car is incredible, love it. I hope i can buy the trophy 300 version at january, next year. I need one of these meganes. Love them.
It seems it was fun to drive Misha, and looks pretty fast actually. How do you feel?
i feel like for track days it would make sense to just pull the ABS relay to avoid it kicking in at all
Or just put the car in race mode (no abs), instead of sports mode
My ocd goes crazy each time I see Antonio Juric name twice!
Great video
I never like ABS, better have an accurate brake pedal so you feel when you loose grip
Head cam is good 👍
I hate the S007 Bridgestone tyres on my Trophy-R. The turn-in is great but they are useless and dangerous when cold and when warm they are about same level as the PS4S. I love the PS4S but I expect more from a tyre on a car like this that needs extended warm up like a Cup 2 tyre before you can actually pace it. I don't get it. Renault Sport put so much money and engineering into this car and they put UHP level wanna be semi slick tyres on it. Even if they have a deal with Bridgestone they should have made faster tyres available as an option. They also could have easily shaved 4-5 seconds off the Nürburgring time. I've seen a test where the Cup 2 tyres were half a second faster than the S007 RS on a 50 second track and they were pretty much dead even with the PS4S. A little mind boggling
MEGAN RS🌩️
I've heard government in Germany told something about 130km/h speed limit on autobahns?
ohh they discuss since 20 years ^^ but never happend
@@HeRrAxE I hope so=)
Why do you chose sport Mode?y don't race Mode?
Sierra Sapphire spotted again at 7:00 👀
Wish I could get one of these in the states.
Discs sound like they are toast on that
They all sound like that with diffrent pads. Even with endless.. slightly less sound with aftermarket discs.
The car did 3 laps more the day after this lap with Misha and different passengers and also a 20-25min sprint on Spa-Francorchamps day after that and they still work great but i also think that it sounds like they are totally out in the video 😅
I dident think it sound so bad inside the car as it sounds in the video.
But my lap was faster so maybe Misha dident break... 😍😆😬😇🤣👌
Thanks again Misha and Adde for this awesome experience ✌
We need a Civic FK8 limited edition lap 😎
como llevas ese coche a nivel extremo tiene un sonido muy bonito disfrutenlo
Good video
What is that beeping when you change gear? Would drive me nuts
Its a beep to notify you when you are nearing red line. Its in the Mk3 and up. Unsure if you can get rid of it. You tend to not notice it when driving.
It's the notification (sound and green gear icon on dashboard) for suggestion to shift gear up when you get to optimum RPM in current gear. Standard feature on all RS models, it can be switched off.
Tijd voor een "Old Skool Race Car" zonder electronica.
Same that happend in the m4?
Seemed like a lot of understeer in the Megane.
Difficult to believe that anything that has to carry the labels, "French FWD hatchback" could be so darn quick.
They have been that way since the R26.R
@@calebwilson569 it even had LSD
By the way if anyone has not seen the lap Adam Christodoulou then you can find it here. Probably one of my favorite Ring lap video's ever.
th-cam.com/video/WURiEVJCAHw/w-d-xo.html
I'm not sure I liked the exterior; especially those red alloys and perhaps, the ABS(?) Other than that, fascinating car.🍑
Love the car, not sure about that beeb
I have a Megane RS. When pushing I don't need to look at the rev counter, I just wait on the beep and change gear. For that reason I wouldn't be without it actually.
Surely that's not 4 years since the M4 crash? Has time really gone that fast?
Ama call this video Two wide.
Ciao hi to all 👍👋☕️👏❤️🧡👌
4 gear is soooooo long!!!
How about braking a bit earlier? Especially when driving someone elses car.
Didn't ask him to do a lap so we could take it easy. Driven just the way i wanted it to be done so i could see and feel what could be done with The car :)
@@addehakansson125 would you still have the same opinion if you crashed?
The owner was obviously interested in seeing it driven to its limits. I liked the fact we could actually hear the tires scream in pain.
@@therollerkid we didnt crash so that question dosen't have a answer.. enjoy The lap instead. The car is back in Sweden and i'm more happy with it than ever before, thabks to Misha and some fast laps at Spa :)