honestly should apply to all ships, but DDs tend to do it the most, and I should know, I make it a point to try to support them, but you could only say and do so much.
As a lone DD kitakaze in a CV match, I managed to avoid the initial CV spotting run by going much wider than he expected, since most CVs usually just scan the area right in front of the "main battle line". This allowed me to get on the flank unnoticed and as soon as my torpedoes were up, dev strike a smolensk that would have been a much bigger problem if he hadn't been the first to get caught. One of the most satisfying moments in my WoWs career
These comments are much more helpful compared to the other whiners here. This is just one of many tricks you can use to help remedy the presence of a CV. Well posted!
Except good DDs and many Radar ships also have RPF and will ping the map and ruin your flanking attempt... a good CV will completely destroy your game even if he doesn't do damage & just spots you. A Unicum CV will kill you in 1-2 flights with rocket planes depending on his dispersion . Not doing the usual thing in a DD helps throw off the CV.... but the moment you do anything useful, such as capping, a good cv will spot you and get you killed... aka your game is over unless due to luck, you happen to have a couple of ships with REALLY strong AA nearby . Often teams dont spawn with good AA ships, so yours just screwed at that point. It is telling that iChase a CV main, picked a DD game that has a terrible CV as opposition... but he also clearly says if the CV is any good you get hounded until dead. If the enemy team is halfway competant they *will* shoot at carrier spotted dds... your game is over at that point
@@molochz Yep unicum DDs play in the middle of the map, not the edges. There are many advantages, primarily you have to go a shorter distance to be where you are needed if you are near the middle, you also generally get better torp angles because almost every game is filled with complete potatoes that all sail to the edges. DDs without a CV in the game have 4 Primary roles, in this order... and all of them are typically better if your not on the flanks. 1. Staying alive, but useful. Dead DDs cant do anything to change the game. Always be minimap aware and keep terrain between you and the biggest threats such as Italian Cruisers. Try to be spotted *only* on your own terms, where you have support and a "guns on target " advantage from team mates.. otherwise... dont be spotted. 2. Scouting/Spotting for your team and breaking stalemates with torps, breaking up clumps of enemy ships and using torps to make them do stupid things like sailing out of cover, full broadsides to an entire fleet. Also bluntening pushes. 3. Screening/supporting a flank/push or otherwise countering enemy DD's using your RPF and minimap pings to spot inbound torps and hopefully also spot/kill the enemy DD. Sometimes sneaking up in smoke firing ships to spot them in smoke or torp them in smoke.. Smolensk is particularly vulnerable to this, just stay out of hydro range...;) Stationary ships are incredibly vulnerable to torpedoes. 4. Contesting caps.... as much as your team may yell at you.. dont cap if you dont have support or if it makes more sense to be elsewhere or has a high chance of getting you killed. Capping isnt as important as staying alive and as a DD you are the most valuable ship on your team. This is also why Competant CVs will also target you as well as their entire team shooting you. DDs are the highest value ships in terms of winning or losing a game. Its a lot easier to win if your dds are alive... so supporting them generally leads to winning.
@@molochz hunting cv is useless. Putting vision behind the caps and sending torpedoes in perpendicular to supporting fire can free the caps up for capture. It can't be done every game, but it's good to look for the opportunity.
you should mention to NEVER be on your guns when you dont want to shoot, otherwise every player with priority target knows when you change to the torps
Can be useful- if the enemy knows they're spotted by a DD and they're heading for cover, switching can scare them into turning so they don't get into cover or something like that even if you don't actually have torps off CD. Also adding 1 to the priority target counter for an enemy can make them more hesitant about pushing in. Both of these are mostly for situations where the enemy knows a DD is nearby already of course (i.e. if you spotted them rather than joining an existing fight).
@@SukacitaYeremia It adds a little more skill and complexity to the game in a way that doesn't screw over DDs especially, it's a good thing. The patch we need is the one where they delete CVs, buff basically everything German and nerf the heck out of these new Russian ships (Kremlin, Petro and Nevsky).
I'm in asia server, a server that have highest CV population... in my shima life... I have to face CV every single match... it's hell... there's no counter play here but stict with AA ship....
If you havent went through Tier VI,uninstall and create a new acc. Find a vid where there is an invite code so you have a better start up. I forgot which vid i clicked on to get the codes but i got Ishizuchi and a sister ship of St.Louis which i cant remember the name and 700 doubloons. 3 Days later got the Ranger and Błyskawica. NA or EU server has insanely better player ag higher tier. But lower tier is relatively empty so it might take 2-3 days to get into a Tier VI CV.
Excellent presentation. I would have liked to see these talks take place using lower tier ships. If you're up to tier 10, you are far less likely to have need of this material.
Hi, first game is a pretty lucky team setup, dream shima game. Not one carrier or one radar anywhere. Try to get a replay with many of the counters in the enemy, playing the underdog.
I agree. Currently, when I approach or enter a cap at the beginning of a game there are several enemy ships and radar galore. I'm finding that I have to basically ignore the caps and keep my distance and just play stealth game as much as possible or die via radar. Doesn't help that a lot of team cruisers and BBs now hang back so far that they cannot properly support you in a DD. I find iChase better than most (and learn a lot from him) but a lot of these types of videos are "better" case scenarios and don't apply when I play a round as a DD JMHO
Also somehow my targets are much smarter and avoid torps rather easily (WSAD anyone?), certainly I'm not getting more than 1-2 hits if that. That may be my target selection and anticipation are poor, but approach avenues are very limited with plenty radars and occassional CV.
@@szmike ditch the Shima for Halland. Its got better everything that matters.. and those European torps are insane in terms of number of hits and overall useability. People like to say their dmg is low, but they forget the super narrow spread means even at 13.5km its possible to hit 8/8 torps on a BB the size of Jeanbart. I know because ive got a devastating strike @ 13 km using Ostergotlands "weak" 90 knot torps. Basically the weakness of No smoke and higher concealment , both which are situational.. is more than offset by amazing torps, better guns and better AA.. as well as the Euro captain perks enhancing both. theres very few situations where a shima is gonna be better, unless its YOLO alpha strike. for all sane play, the euro DDs are better because of the proliferation of radars and cvs. powercreep just basically ate thd shima.
@@szmike Be mindful that if you target them with guns, than switch to torps, drop, and then back to guns, their priority target skill can precisely say when you've dropped them, if they suspect they are being targeted by a DD. Thing like getting spotted earlier in a map area, spotting while your other team-mates are probably not able due to range or cover, island coverage, and stuff like this can leave more than enough breadcrumbs for a _good_ player to have suspicion of what you might be up to. Trouble with DDs is it is easy to get in a rush mode, acting immediately on a situation, where the really good DD players set the traps themselves without loosing map awareness on where their direct intervention might be more vital if the game looks like it is going south. I'm fully aware I still make these mistakes all the time, and give way to much info to my enemies in this regard. While I am able to spot and harass for a team, giving the team more chances to win, I still struggle to get my those decisive torp strikes if I don't have the ability to farm on poor play.
DDs :capping, deny space or caps ,screen off BBs or CTs, give intel Cruisers : flank, harass ,island hopping, support BBs (hydro / radar) BBS : Tank, tank ,damage dealer, tank , deny flanks
I can appreciate everything he says in the video but having 15 long range torpedos and great concealment in a tier 10 destroyer seems uncommon. How to play a tier 5 successfully seems a lot more useful. Hopefully by tier 10 you already know what you are doing...
I’m pretty good with a tier 4 destroyer But once I got a tier 5 Destroyer I struggle I could barely hit my target with my shells and I get destroyed early because I rush in to The centre or the outside Let’s just say Beacons
Destroyer positioning: Step 1: Be in a match without a CV. Step 2: Realise you can't control that so you're in a CV. Step 3: Get sunk by the CV. Step 4: Switch to another ship class. Congratulations, you have now succesfully positioned your DD- in the port.
step1: same; step2: same; step3(alter):I'm in GZ, time for some secondary! step4: after learn the 899div...I just realize that i don't have two musashi friend(sad story
@@grandgao3984 With subs coming soon I am totally hoping for randoms to be split into 2 modes- one with CVs and subs and another with just surface ships. That would actually make the game fun again.
@@samuelhakansson6680 Yes, facetious comments are useless. Replies that take them entirely seriously on the other hand... That said, I even provided tips on how to play around these difficulties, it's simple: don't play a DD ☺ Jokes aside though, being in a DD when there's a CV is not fun, at all. There's nothing you can do except die (just dodge!), which is a bad game mechanic- sure it's realistic, but so would be Japanese ships having a 50% chance of detonations when their torps get slightly shaken...oh and if ya want realism how about not having most of the Russian ships, or at least given them armour as the Russian really built it in the era, i.e. totally ineffective.
The smoke at 22:30, looks like a bluff smoke. Drop a smoke, stay undetected moving away from it, and the enemy thinks there might be something in the smoke. It becomes their torpedo magnet, wasting their current loadout.
Evasion tanking was mentioned for the faster destroyers. However, nearly all DDs are capable of it. It can help your team quite a bit to attract attention if you are in a position to get away easily. Every shot the opposition wastes on you is time you buy your team to reduce the opposition health pool. In evenly matched games, this can tip the battle in your favor. It isn't hard for me to get over one million potential even in slow Asian DDs. The key is to keep an eye on the incoming fire and keep dodging. This does take a bit of practice and is better to learn on mid tiers (5-7) where ships aren't as accurate. Even firing your guns once and then stopping to go undetected again, can be a useful distraction.
As someone who loves DD and is especially partial to gunboats and hybrids, the hardest lesson for me to learn is that just because you have the guns doesn't mean you *have* to use them, especially if the enemy hasn't detected you or if your trying to flee from a larger ship. Also, just because you've spotted an enemy doesn't mean they've spotted you. This is especially true if their DDs are busy elsewhere. Too many times I've spotted an enemy and immediately fired in retaliation, thinking that they knew I was there because I had spotted them.
I share your videos with my clan mates as a teaching tool, although from this video I get the sense that you and your clan mate are really not used to the DD vs CV interaction, as I see some simple mistakes being made in the second battle, and you both have what I would call a big no-no going on with your mini-maps. When I run DD, I always have air detection and AA range circles turned on in my mini-map. While it is true that CVs "can" hound a DD to death, the longer you can milk their attention, the longer they aren't doing anything to anyone else, especially the other DDs. These circles enable plays to be made where you can either avoid them seeing you, or you can manipulate dropping in and out of their vision which can mess with their aim and make them make extra passes at you , or even get less than optimal hits. As you even say in the video, the longer you stay in the game, the more impact you have, and this is no different when a CV is present, and while you are definitely the mouse to their cat, if you are clever, you can still survive.
I have just started playing WoWs this month, I'm on my 5th Day I think lol I'm currently at Tier V Kongo and VI Fubuki and tbh I was struggling as I now encounter ships up to Tier VIII, but because of your tutorials most of my matches now are wins and I'm actually becoming more useful for my team and overall a better battle performance on every match. Thank you iChase! I have been watching your videos ever since 2016, it's just that only recently have I been able and have finally decided to play the game 😊
@@gyrene_asea4133 Thank you! Tbh, you can call me a "Veteran" to this kind of game, it is just that I'm new to the WoWs game mechanics. Before WoWs, I was playing a not well known game on Android called Naval Front-line 2 (World War Battleship). It may look similar in terms of graphics but a whole lot different. Like a naval warfare simulator on the go. Really, I just love both games but now I'm focusing more on WoWs.
Really appreciated the time and effort put into this vid, i love playing destroyers,unfortunately im not so good(yet).Found this vid to be just what i needed.Many thnx.
you should create tutorial like these but for middle low tier ships: if someone is at tier XI+ he obviously has the idea on how to play the ship having grindend the line through tier X. It is I think at about tier VI-V that people find themselves in to a different league form what they used to be, aka charge the large ships and drop torps at short range. they now have to deal with more accurate secondaries, cruisers that can blap you accurately at long range and overall you have to learn how to rely on "disappearing" and opportunistic picking. they don't know HOW and their ship are much less devastating then the shima we saw in the early part of this video. Mild tier is the moment when they need to relearn what they had done so far. Everything you tell in this video obviously applies, but the ship you show in game do not: they are WAY more powerful then previous tier and playing at tier X IMO is easier because you always are top tier.
I need to get better with DDs. I've spent most of my time so far playing as a BB and some of my "bad habits" as a BB player copy over to DD and that's not good. DD really can't tank a whole lot, certainly not like DD can. This video should help me out though. Certainly gives me more to think about in terms of positioning. Maybe I can finally increase the number of games I survive as a DD. I managed to survive some last night for the first time ever (even as the Poi boat), but I'm still usually the first to die when playing DD. I need more practice for sure.
Should add that having a CV can be a huge boon to a DD. the worst thing is radar ships, your Cv will likely spot those so you can stay away, people seem to overlook that.
Hello, thanks for the video, such videos are always very informative and you can still learn a little bit about them xD. That the DD class is a "difficult" class and you have to have a lot of knowledge is always a matter of fact. For me, Ca's + BB's are simply not mine, CV's + DD's are so easy, since I have been playing unicum in DDs. Only with the rework in CVs, before that I had lost interest when I had to compete against max-cpt. What I still see as difficult is that you usually never hit a BB (if they have reasonably skill) with torpedoes. Just yesterday I bit my teeth when a Bismarck drove ahead of me when I was in the Z46. In the end I shot 88 torpedoes in the match and only hit 5 (or so) ... Sometimes I think such people (this Bismarck was deep red) are bots, because when I play PVE, the bots immediately dodge my torps, if I throw a set, they change course immediately. And this Bismarck drove every (felt) 5s somewhere else and had only one opponent in front of him. It's always pretty strange, as if such "beginners" have the 1 skill, where you can tell when the target number changes ... I don't think xD. Well, thanks for the video.
War gaming told me in a support ticket, that all ships are balanced. I complained that between the carrier and the usual two or three radar ships. Makes the destroyer class completely obsolete. Now I read a few articles, saying that war gaming is trying to transform the game from strategy to a more arcade game play. When you build your entire wows account on destroyers, it makes my ships pretty much useless. I said that War Gaming should reduce aircraft damage and chance of hitting DD's or increase AA capabilities of DD's. Its ridiculous when a tier x carrier can kill a DD with just a rocket squadron. They told me my game play was wrong and that all the destroyers are balanced. I just kills me, when war gaming doesn't listen to their players. Most of the community contributors all say the same thing, that DD's are pretty much useless. What do you think?
Playing my Fletcher I find myself being a torpedo boat more often than a gun ship. Maybe it's just my general lack of skill, but I don't find the USN 127s that impactful. Shells are slow, and they don't do much HE damage for me. I can never seem to get as much out of them as what I see from CCs or other players. But if I can ghost BBs I can usually get close enough to assure a torpedo hit or two, and keep my team aware of the stuff I spot. I tend to have trouble if I'm spotted, and using my guns is a fast way of getting that way with little payoff.
really youre just hoping to get fires on BBs and do damage over time. if you force them to repair the fires and torp them after and cause flooding that's already huge damage for you over time. You just repeat this process over and over
@@redfro4992 I do, when I can. But a DD can't be tied only to island cover. You have to be able to move, cap, contest. Or you're just a worse version of a light cruiser.
Once again thanks for the fantastic info. As far as the obligatory CV menace. If you can stick close to a cruiser or at least try to leave yourself an out. The worst DD play is to die early. If you can find that rare awesome cruiser willing to push with you it is a blessing be sure to thank them. Eventually you will need to play for the cap\spot for team. Since relaying on team mates for AA support is a crap shoot map awareness is your bestest friend.
Sorry but I have to correct this. Zao has better stealth, is a heavy cruiser with more HE and AP DPM than Bagration, has better rudder shift with access to unique upgrade for destroyer levels of rudder shift, way better 12km torpedoes. Despite both cruisers having vastly different roles and playstyles Zao still overall has better stats than Bagration. What are you smoking because I want it.
Awesome play man! I love playing destroyers, I use to hate them. I have been playing a while, but still not so good. However your tips are really good. Thanks :-)
I usually head in full speed. Drop smoke in a great big U and dance around in that while absolutely shoving ALL my torpedoes in one direction... Usually the enemies drive into em
So I kinda have question. I played shima after long, long time (when i farmed her i was complete shit, not even avarage, so i didnt like her). Since im kinda avarage now, i wondered if i actually did smth wrong. On ranked game, i took point, then went spotting for my flank, i kept georgia and colbert nicely spotted. When opportunity presented itself i torped georgia and forced her to retreat in panic (3 hits). For a while i went back to spotting, making sure she wont vanish, so my team can finish her off. After my torps went back online i fired nice wall against colbert, since georgia was so near island she could easily dodge salvo. Colbert got 1 shotted by my torps. And yet people just kept telling me and another dd, that we didnt spot and just went for "ego play". From what i told you, have any tips where i possibly screwed?
What about German destroyers? Generally speaking, not any particular one of them. Does what you said about hybrids apply to them, or is there something unique about them that significantly changes their playstyle?
It would make more sense to cover the Harugumo or Kleber as the gunboat. Khabarovsk does not really have an advantage here. Also one crucial point you left out, what do you do as a Khabarovska in a single DD game (or double DD)? You cannot really spot for the team and they will generally not want to spot for you.
Whenever there's a cv in the game I change my playstyle completely. I recommend just staying with your BS's or CR's early. Its so worth not losing 4k+ from a missile strike
I have a tier 5 destroyer When I fire my shells at the enemy I mostly miss most of my shot the artillery part of the ship I don’t like you shot long in high I’d like to shoot low and long that’s why I have a tier 4 destroyer that does that and that’s why I’m so good at it
All my german destroyer have detected range is longer than my torpedo range. Seems like the gameplay what we see here come after whole lot of grinding for top tier ship.
Is the russian guide the same for Tashkent? And what about Harekaze? The HSF collab ship, she doesn't have quite as many torps but they do still hit hard.
Which class would you put the new DDs in? If you said, I didn't hear. I feel like they'd either be put in the stealthy torpedo or harassment role since they don't have smoke, have decent guns, but also have fast, long range torps.
How can you see yourself on the mini map? I thought the big white arrow was your ship / my ship but I guess I'm wrong here.. Anyone can answer this question for me that knows the answer. I'm a cruiser guy, but the more I learn how destroyers & other ships operate or their strategy, the better my games will become as well. We are all on the green team, so helping each other wins games... I would also like to see you torp in slow motion, how you aim, etc.
When iChase said he cannot be seen on the minimap he meant that none of the enemies can see him on the minimap as he never got detected by them. The big white arrow indicates your ship on the map.
Hey ICHASE I need help in IJN CV LINE. I am not able to make successful drop with dive bombers. In the whole game there is almost no damage with dive bombers. So I need your complete help in IJN CV LINE please.
I honestly disagree with your opinion of 12km torpedo range recommendation. In clan brawls e.g. with lots of radar ships, you will never be able to get close enough to the enemy without getting spotted/radared. The 20km torpedo range is one of your strongest weapons in this case.
Press "z" key. While following your shells/torps pressing "c" key will toggle through the different shells/torps. Press "z" again to leave this view. The key bindings can be customized via the Setup menu.
"Don't throw your ship away early in the match" That should be on the the screen for the entire vid. :) Good job, sir.
honestly should apply to all ships, but DDs tend to do it the most, and I should know, I make it a point to try to support them, but you could only say and do so much.
I try but potato
Should it be a policy for DD's to stay home with CV's on the board?
Seriously. Once I started playing that way, I started having much higher success rates.
Have your torps selected at all times! When you have guns selected the enemy gets a target notification - rookie mistake here.
Not so unless you zoom in and spot them.
Thank you sir
I played against iChase once. I was in a DD, he was in a CV. He hounded me until I died...
That’s rough.
Good story bro
As a new player, i'm so glad i found your channel. Thanbks for this amazing series.
As a lone DD kitakaze in a CV match, I managed to avoid the initial CV spotting run by going much wider than he expected, since most CVs usually just scan the area right in front of the "main battle line". This allowed me to get on the flank unnoticed and as soon as my torpedoes were up, dev strike a smolensk that would have been a much bigger problem if he hadn't been the first to get caught. One of the most satisfying moments in my WoWs career
These comments are much more helpful compared to the other whiners here. This is just one of many tricks you can use to help remedy the presence of a CV. Well posted!
Except good DDs and many Radar ships also have RPF and will ping the map and ruin your flanking attempt... a good CV will completely destroy your game even if he doesn't do damage & just spots you.
A Unicum CV will kill you in 1-2 flights with rocket planes depending on his dispersion .
Not doing the usual thing in a DD helps throw off the CV.... but the moment you do anything useful, such as capping, a good cv will spot you and get you killed... aka your game is over unless due to luck, you happen to have a couple of ships with REALLY strong AA nearby .
Often teams dont spawn with good AA ships, so yours just screwed at that point.
It is telling that iChase a CV main, picked a DD game that has a terrible CV as opposition... but he also clearly says if the CV is any good you get hounded until dead.
If the enemy team is halfway competant they *will* shoot at carrier spotted dds... your game is over at that point
@@molochz Yep unicum DDs play in the middle of the map, not the edges.
There are many advantages, primarily you have to go a shorter distance to be where you are needed if you are near the middle, you also generally get better torp angles because almost every game is filled with complete potatoes that all sail to the edges.
DDs without a CV in the game have 4 Primary roles, in this order... and all of them are typically better if your not on the flanks.
1. Staying alive, but useful. Dead DDs cant do anything to change the game. Always be minimap aware and keep terrain between you and the biggest threats such as Italian Cruisers.
Try to be spotted *only* on your own terms, where you have support and a "guns on target " advantage from team mates.. otherwise... dont be spotted.
2. Scouting/Spotting for your team and breaking stalemates with torps, breaking up clumps of enemy ships and using torps to make them do stupid things like sailing out of cover, full broadsides to an entire fleet.
Also bluntening pushes.
3. Screening/supporting a flank/push or otherwise countering enemy DD's using your RPF and minimap pings to spot inbound torps and hopefully also spot/kill the enemy DD.
Sometimes sneaking up in smoke firing ships to spot them in smoke or torp them in smoke.. Smolensk is particularly vulnerable to this, just stay out of hydro range...;)
Stationary ships are incredibly vulnerable to torpedoes.
4. Contesting caps.... as much as your team may yell at you.. dont cap if you dont have support or if it makes more sense to be elsewhere or has a high chance of getting you killed.
Capping isnt as important as staying alive and as a DD you are the most valuable ship on your team.
This is also why Competant CVs will also target you as well as their entire team shooting you. DDs are the highest value ships in terms of winning or losing a game.
Its a lot easier to win if your dds are alive... so supporting them generally leads to winning.
The Shima is a great flanking DD
@@molochz hunting cv is useless. Putting vision behind the caps and sending torpedoes in perpendicular to supporting fire can free the caps up for capture. It can't be done every game, but it's good to look for the opportunity.
you should mention to NEVER be on your guns when you dont want to shoot, otherwise every player with priority target knows when you change to the torps
Can be useful- if the enemy knows they're spotted by a DD and they're heading for cover, switching can scare them into turning so they don't get into cover or something like that even if you don't actually have torps off CD. Also adding 1 to the priority target counter for an enemy can make them more hesitant about pushing in. Both of these are mostly for situations where the enemy knows a DD is nearby already of course (i.e. if you spotted them rather than joining an existing fight).
I think WG should patch this...
@@SukacitaYeremia It adds a little more skill and complexity to the game in a way that doesn't screw over DDs especially, it's a good thing. The patch we need is the one where they delete CVs, buff basically everything German and nerf the heck out of these new Russian ships (Kremlin, Petro and Nevsky).
Or you know, just press X or whatever key that you bind it to, to stop targeting people with the guns
@@sirdaine2567 target someone else or look at empty horizon and hit target lock
I'm in asia server, a server that have highest CV population... in my shima life... I have to face CV every single match...
it's hell... there's no counter play here but stict with AA ship....
@Shawn Connolly uninstall and effective
If you havent went through Tier VI,uninstall and create a new acc. Find a vid where there is an invite code so you have a better start up. I forgot which vid i clicked on to get the codes but i got Ishizuchi and a sister ship of St.Louis which i cant remember the name and 700 doubloons. 3 Days later got the Ranger and Błyskawica. NA or EU server has insanely better player ag higher tier. But lower tier is relatively empty so it might take 2-3 days to get into a Tier VI CV.
Excellent presentation. I would have liked to see these talks take place using lower tier ships. If you're up to tier 10, you are far less likely to have need of this material.
As a Akizuki player in Asia server... man, those CV players really want you dead as soon as they spot you 😂😂😂
Man the Akizuki and Kitakaze are AA escorts, they should have their AA buffed in game
@@jerryrgzz1571 Harugumeme?
Hi, first game is a pretty lucky team setup, dream shima game. Not one carrier or one radar anywhere. Try to get a replay with many of the counters in the enemy, playing the underdog.
I agree. Currently, when I approach or enter a cap at the beginning of a game there are several enemy ships and radar galore. I'm finding that I have to basically ignore the caps and keep my distance and just play stealth game as much as possible or die via radar. Doesn't help that a lot of team cruisers and BBs now hang back so far that they cannot properly support you in a DD. I find iChase better than most (and learn a lot from him) but a lot of these types of videos are "better" case scenarios and don't apply when I play a round as a DD JMHO
Also somehow my targets are much smarter and avoid torps rather easily (WSAD anyone?), certainly I'm not getting more than 1-2 hits if that. That may be my target selection and anticipation are poor, but approach avenues are very limited with plenty radars and occassional CV.
@@szmike ditch the Shima for Halland. Its got better everything that matters.. and those European torps are insane in terms of number of hits and overall useability.
People like to say their dmg is low, but they forget the super narrow spread means even at 13.5km its possible to hit 8/8 torps on a BB the size of Jeanbart.
I know because ive got a devastating strike @ 13 km using Ostergotlands "weak" 90 knot torps.
Basically the weakness of No smoke and higher concealment , both which are situational.. is more than offset by amazing torps, better guns and better AA.. as well as the Euro captain perks enhancing both.
theres very few situations where a shima is gonna be better, unless its YOLO alpha strike.
for all sane play, the euro DDs are better because of the proliferation of radars and cvs.
powercreep just basically ate thd shima.
@@szmike Be mindful that if you target them with guns, than switch to torps, drop, and then back to guns, their priority target skill can precisely say when you've dropped them, if they suspect they are being targeted by a DD. Thing like getting spotted earlier in a map area, spotting while your other team-mates are probably not able due to range or cover, island coverage, and stuff like this can leave more than enough breadcrumbs for a _good_ player to have suspicion of what you might be up to. Trouble with DDs is it is easy to get in a rush mode, acting immediately on a situation, where the really good DD players set the traps themselves without loosing map awareness on where their direct intervention might be more vital if the game looks like it is going south.
I'm fully aware I still make these mistakes all the time, and give way to much info to my enemies in this regard. While I am able to spot and harass for a team, giving the team more chances to win, I still struggle to get my those decisive torp strikes if I don't have the ability to farm on poor play.
DDs :capping, deny space or caps ,screen off BBs or CTs, give intel
Cruisers : flank, harass ,island hopping, support BBs (hydro / radar)
BBS : Tank, tank ,damage dealer, tank , deny flanks
I've been playing for only a month and your channel is a huge help.
I can appreciate everything he says in the video but having 15 long range torpedos and great concealment in a tier 10 destroyer seems uncommon. How to play a tier 5 successfully seems a lot more useful. Hopefully by tier 10 you already know what you are doing...
I’m pretty good with a tier 4 destroyer But once I got a tier 5 Destroyer I struggle I could barely hit my target with my shells and I get destroyed early because I rush in to The centre or the outside Let’s just say Beacons
Bruh this is a game that takes like 500 hours to be average at
Destroyer positioning:
Step 1: Be in a match without a CV.
Step 2: Realise you can't control that so you're in a CV.
Step 3: Get sunk by the CV.
Step 4: Switch to another ship class.
Congratulations, you have now succesfully positioned your DD- in the port.
So true, CV's currently broken on so many levels, would be better off to throw them into PVE only...
step1: same; step2: same; step3(alter):I'm in GZ, time for some secondary! step4: after learn the 899div...I just realize that i don't have two musashi friend(sad story
@@grandgao3984 With subs coming soon I am totally hoping for randoms to be split into 2 modes- one with CVs and subs and another with just surface ships. That would actually make the game fun again.
These kinds of comments are so useless. Play around your difficulties, whining will get you nowhere however.
@@samuelhakansson6680 Yes, facetious comments are useless. Replies that take them entirely seriously on the other hand...
That said, I even provided tips on how to play around these difficulties, it's simple: don't play a DD ☺
Jokes aside though, being in a DD when there's a CV is not fun, at all. There's nothing you can do except die (just dodge!), which is a bad game mechanic- sure it's realistic, but so would be Japanese ships having a 50% chance of detonations when their torps get slightly shaken...oh and if ya want realism how about not having most of the Russian ships, or at least given them armour as the Russian really built it in the era, i.e. totally ineffective.
"see but not be seen" mantra of DD captain
The smoke at 22:30, looks like a bluff smoke. Drop a smoke, stay undetected moving away from it, and the enemy thinks there might be something in the smoke. It becomes their torpedo magnet, wasting their current loadout.
Evasion tanking was mentioned for the faster destroyers. However, nearly all DDs are capable of it. It can help your team quite a bit to attract attention if you are in a position to get away easily. Every shot the opposition wastes on you is time you buy your team to reduce the opposition health pool. In evenly matched games, this can tip the battle in your favor.
It isn't hard for me to get over one million potential even in slow Asian DDs. The key is to keep an eye on the incoming fire and keep dodging. This does take a bit of practice and is better to learn on mid tiers (5-7) where ships aren't as accurate. Even firing your guns once and then stopping to go undetected again, can be a useful distraction.
As someone who loves DD and is especially partial to gunboats and hybrids, the hardest lesson for me to learn is that just because you have the guns doesn't mean you *have* to use them, especially if the enemy hasn't detected you or if your trying to flee from a larger ship. Also, just because you've spotted an enemy doesn't mean they've spotted you. This is especially true if their DDs are busy elsewhere. Too many times I've spotted an enemy and immediately fired in retaliation, thinking that they knew I was there because I had spotted them.
Bruh 😂
I share your videos with my clan mates as a teaching tool, although from this video I get the sense that you and your clan mate are really not used to the DD vs CV interaction, as I see some simple mistakes being made in the second battle, and you both have what I would call a big no-no going on with your mini-maps. When I run DD, I always have air detection and AA range circles turned on in my mini-map. While it is true that CVs "can" hound a DD to death, the longer you can milk their attention, the longer they aren't doing anything to anyone else, especially the other DDs. These circles enable plays to be made where you can either avoid them seeing you, or you can manipulate dropping in and out of their vision which can mess with their aim and make them make extra passes at you , or even get less than optimal hits. As you even say in the video, the longer you stay in the game, the more impact you have, and this is no different when a CV is present, and while you are definitely the mouse to their cat, if you are clever, you can still survive.
I literally rush the enemy and die instantly But after i watch dis video i am more smarter
Thank you. Love Gun Boats and just learned some nice lessons.
i needed this, and i didn't even realize it
I have just started playing WoWs this month, I'm on my 5th Day I think lol
I'm currently at Tier V Kongo and VI Fubuki and tbh I was struggling as I now encounter ships up to Tier VIII, but because of your tutorials most of my matches now are wins and I'm actually becoming more useful for my team and overall a better battle performance on every match.
Thank you iChase! I have been watching your videos ever since 2016, it's just that only recently have I been able and have finally decided to play the game 😊
Just keep at it. You'll be citadeling ships in no time!
Just want to say "well done". That you consider your utility to your team so early in your WoWs career is a solid good. Best of luck.
@@gyrene_asea4133 Thank you! Tbh, you can call me a "Veteran" to this kind of game, it is just that I'm new to the WoWs game mechanics.
Before WoWs, I was playing a not well known game on Android called Naval Front-line 2 (World War Battleship). It may look similar in terms of graphics but a whole lot different. Like a naval warfare simulator on the go.
Really, I just love both games but now I'm focusing more on WoWs.
Just bought back my Fubuki this is the vid I needed.
Really appreciated the time and effort put into this vid, i love playing destroyers,unfortunately im not so good(yet).Found this vid to be just what i needed.Many thnx.
you should create tutorial like these but for middle low tier ships: if someone is at tier XI+ he obviously has the idea on how to play the ship having grindend the line through tier X. It is I think at about tier VI-V that people find themselves in to a different league form what they used to be, aka charge the large ships and drop torps at short range. they now have to deal with more accurate secondaries, cruisers that can blap you accurately at long range and overall you have to learn how to rely on "disappearing" and opportunistic picking. they don't know HOW and their ship are much less devastating then the shima we saw in the early part of this video. Mild tier is the moment when they need to relearn what they had done so far. Everything you tell in this video obviously applies, but the ship you show in game do not: they are WAY more powerful then previous tier and playing at tier X IMO is easier because you always are top tier.
Great video. Thanks for working this series.
I think one of the important things to remember is to not be afraid to use ap in gunboats if you get the opportunity.
I need to get better with DDs. I've spent most of my time so far playing as a BB and some of my "bad habits" as a BB player copy over to DD and that's not good. DD really can't tank a whole lot, certainly not like DD can. This video should help me out though. Certainly gives me more to think about in terms of positioning. Maybe I can finally increase the number of games I survive as a DD. I managed to survive some last night for the first time ever (even as the Poi boat), but I'm still usually the first to die when playing DD. I need more practice for sure.
aha, this episode gaves me lot to mark as hybrid type dd, thx a lot
Thx a lot for this good tipps!! Nice video
Should add that having a CV can be a huge boon to a DD. the worst thing is radar ships, your Cv will likely spot those so you can stay away, people seem to overlook that.
Hey Chase; awesome video matey
As a DD if their is a CV present you sacrifice a small woodland creature to RnGesus. And turn into a rocket strike for best chance 70% of the time.
Hello, thanks for the video, such videos are always very informative and you can still learn a little bit about them xD. That the DD class is a "difficult" class and you have to have a lot of knowledge is always a matter of fact. For me, Ca's + BB's are simply not mine, CV's + DD's are so easy, since I have been playing unicum in DDs. Only with the rework in CVs, before that I had lost interest when I had to compete against max-cpt. What I still see as difficult is that you usually never hit a BB (if they have reasonably skill) with torpedoes. Just yesterday I bit my teeth when a Bismarck drove ahead of me when I was in the Z46. In the end I shot 88 torpedoes in the match and only hit 5 (or so) ...
Sometimes I think such people (this Bismarck was deep red) are bots, because when I play PVE, the bots immediately dodge my torps, if I throw a set, they change course immediately. And this Bismarck drove every (felt) 5s somewhere else and had only one opponent in front of him. It's always pretty strange, as if such "beginners" have the 1 skill, where you can tell when the target number changes ... I don't think xD. Well, thanks for the video.
War gaming told me in a support ticket, that all ships are balanced. I complained that between the carrier and the usual two or three radar ships. Makes the destroyer class completely obsolete. Now I read a few articles, saying that war gaming is trying to transform the game from strategy to a more arcade game play. When you build your entire wows account on destroyers, it makes my ships pretty much useless. I said that War Gaming should reduce aircraft damage and chance of hitting DD's or increase AA capabilities of DD's. Its ridiculous when a tier x carrier can kill a DD with just a rocket squadron. They told me my game play was wrong and that all the destroyers are balanced. I just kills me, when war gaming doesn't listen to their players. Most of the community contributors all say the same thing, that DD's are pretty much useless. What do you think?
Cling to carriers with AA power.
Playing my Fletcher I find myself being a torpedo boat more often than a gun ship. Maybe it's just my general lack of skill, but I don't find the USN 127s that impactful. Shells are slow, and they don't do much HE damage for me. I can never seem to get as much out of them as what I see from CCs or other players. But if I can ghost BBs I can usually get close enough to assure a torpedo hit or two, and keep my team aware of the stuff I spot. I tend to have trouble if I'm spotted, and using my guns is a fast way of getting that way with little payoff.
i got a Atlanta to train my 127 skill 😂 it works with some interesting pain and pleasure
really youre just hoping to get fires on BBs and do damage over time. if you force them to repair the fires and torp them after and cause flooding that's already huge damage for you over time. You just repeat this process over and over
learn to fire over the edges of island cover
@@redfro4992 I do, when I can. But a DD can't be tied only to island cover. You have to be able to move, cap, contest. Or you're just a worse version of a light cruiser.
@@SinisterSaintsExcellion Well it's good to know I'm not completely fucking up then.
Once again thanks for the fantastic info. As far as the obligatory CV menace. If you can stick close to a cruiser or at least try to leave yourself an out. The worst DD play is to die early. If you can find that rare awesome cruiser willing to push with you it is a blessing be sure to thank them. Eventually you will need to play for the cap\spot for team. Since relaying on team mates for AA support is a crap shoot map awareness is your bestest friend.
Excellent video. I do a lot of it but also learned a lot from you. Thank you!
How to Get Good at World of Warships Episode 19: Play the new Russian cruisers... Bagration better than t10 ZAO (except HE)
Your whing about "russian bias" has reached epic proportions. At least now you have some valid reasons to whine. Git gud.
@@Sfirodrepanoskarxarias And by what logic a t8 ship should be better than a t10 one ?
@@cosminlesutan3574 And by what logic have you come to this conclusion?
Sorry but I have to correct this. Zao has better stealth, is a heavy cruiser with more HE and AP DPM than Bagration, has better rudder shift with access to unique upgrade for destroyer levels of rudder shift, way better 12km torpedoes. Despite both cruisers having vastly different roles and playstyles Zao still overall has better stats than Bagration.
What are you smoking because I want it.
destroyers are known to control enemy ships like peaces on a checkboard.
Thank you so much. Really answered many questions i had about DD's.
Awesome play man! I love playing destroyers, I use to hate them. I have been playing a while, but still not so good. However your tips are really good. Thanks :-)
2 1/2 years later this is still excellent advice, wish you'd have touched Pan Euros which is my thing. Great vid though!
I usually head in full speed. Drop smoke in a great big U and dance around in that while absolutely shoving ALL my torpedoes in one direction... Usually the enemies drive into em
Thanks for whispering to us this information. Now those that try to eavesdrop will not hear!
So I kinda have question. I played shima after long, long time (when i farmed her i was complete shit, not even avarage, so i didnt like her). Since im kinda avarage now, i wondered if i actually did smth wrong. On ranked game, i took point, then went spotting for my flank, i kept georgia and colbert nicely spotted. When opportunity presented itself i torped georgia and forced her to retreat in panic (3 hits). For a while i went back to spotting, making sure she wont vanish, so my team can finish her off. After my torps went back online i fired nice wall against colbert, since georgia was so near island she could easily dodge salvo. Colbert got 1 shotted by my torps. And yet people just kept telling me and another dd, that we didnt spot and just went for "ego play". From what i told you, have any tips where i possibly screwed?
Just got my gearing been struggling the hole line hopefully this will help thank you
Most crucial part of this video is the acknowledgement that everything goes out the window when there is a CV.
May I know how did you use the zoom-in view of your torps?
What about German destroyers? Generally speaking, not any particular one of them. Does what you said about hybrids apply to them, or is there something unique about them that significantly changes their playstyle?
Yes, they are hybrids.
It would make more sense to cover the Harugumo or Kleber as the gunboat. Khabarovsk does not really have an advantage here. Also one crucial point you left out, what do you do as a Khabarovska in a single DD game (or double DD)? You cannot really spot for the team and they will generally not want to spot for you.
Whenever there's a cv in the game I change my playstyle completely. I recommend just staying with your BS's or CR's early. Its so worth not losing 4k+ from a missile strike
BS? Missiles?
A very useful video Chase, many thanks for that. A question on the European DD's - any specific advise for them?
How can you tell if u show up on their minimap? Thanks!!
How does this apply at lower tiers ? Like I'm tier 4 and I can't see what I can do with 10km guns and 6km torpedoes
Played against you the other day. You were in the Seattle and had a few div mates with ya.
Would the IV Clemson be a gunboat, torpedo boat, or hybrid?
Thank you… most useful.
I have a tier 5 destroyer When I fire my shells at the enemy I mostly miss most of my shot the artillery part of the ship I don’t like you shot long in high I’d like to shoot low and long that’s why I have a tier 4 destroyer that does that and that’s why I’m so good at it
Good video! But what about captain skills? Are they important? If yes, which ones are the important ones to get for each kind of DD?
Second? but first like...the real win!
In wow blitz, i make iowa anti air battleship. Any aircfraft passing by will get shot down immediately and it was satisfying
I like how you explained everything in such a way that I didn't want to throw up.
Do you play wows legends also?
Thanks for this series it’s very useful
All my german destroyer have detected range is longer than my torpedo range. Seems like the gameplay what we see here come after whole lot of grinding for top tier ship.
Ichase do you like the Halloween camo? because i see that in your videos you don't disable them. Personally i think they look ridiculous.
Great advice Chase.......and @4 mins....lol good
he is the new Ichase!!!!!!!!
i love this video, hope u alway good ,so u can make more videos like this
Is the russian guide the same for Tashkent?
And what about Harekaze? The HSF collab ship, she doesn't have quite as many torps but they do still hit hard.
Which class would you put the new DDs in? If you said, I didn't hear. I feel like they'd either be put in the stealthy torpedo or harassment role since they don't have smoke, have decent guns, but also have fast, long range torps.
Good content... thank you for posting! Can you make a similar video, but for DDs that can't stealth fire?
Best tip for being a little bit better. DONT be the first into battle, let some other shmuck take the first wave of shots.
so i chose to grind up the hardest? :D pffft at least new EU tree provides some torpedo gameplay and im happy with them 2 :)
Great video. Thanks
2:04 That Jean Bart had a fun game...
always laugh when BBs somehow lose their ship so early into the round
Dat jb just rushed 5 ships so its expected xD
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 to be fair he died to the one he didn't know was there xD
@@zacharyjackson1829 if u cant smell a dd as a bb in the middle of the cap u are a potato 1st class xD
well if you Play JB like that you deserved to died early even without torp hit she gonna melt
thank you so muc. I was lie fletcher is so bad but down thanks to us video babout hybrid destroyers I can play better.
great video, thanks
How did you do the "POV you are the torpedo" ?
I think the worse is when one of ur teammate tries to hunt for the cv, then when u press tab key, there are no cvs in the game -_-
Currently would u go for shima or harugumo?
How can you see yourself on the mini map? I thought the big white arrow was your ship / my ship but I guess I'm wrong here.. Anyone can answer this question for me that knows the answer. I'm a cruiser guy, but the more I learn how destroyers & other ships operate or their strategy, the better my games will become as well. We are all on the green team, so helping each other wins games... I would also like to see you torp in slow motion, how you aim, etc.
When iChase said he cannot be seen on the minimap he meant that none of the enemies can see him on the minimap as he never got detected by them. The big white arrow indicates your ship on the map.
@@klauba Thanks for your reply, that was very helpful to me.....
In which group are british destroyers?
how did you get that camo or skin on shimakaze?
How do you switch from the "follow my shells" view and back? (I know middle click follows the shells in general)
Click z and it should follow your shells then click z again to go back.
20 km torp is useful for killing the damn CV 😆 then you are home free.
Hey ICHASE I need help in IJN CV LINE.
I am not able to make successful drop with dive bombers. In the whole game there is almost no damage with dive bombers. So I need your complete help in IJN CV LINE please.
How to you play the Pan European destroyers
Now I understand why your voice was kept low in the video as for neighbour noise problem.....
Ah yes, the legendary IJN Demonakazie
are both the japanese destroyers torpedo boats?
I honestly disagree with your opinion of 12km torpedo range recommendation. In clan brawls e.g. with lots of radar ships, you will never be able to get close enough to the enemy without getting spotted/radared. The 20km torpedo range is one of your strongest weapons in this case.
What about the Harugumo? It's speed is too slow to play like Khaba and it's Stealth is horrible in comparison with the Shima.
Its a gunboat u torp u find enemy dds and gun them down because u have much more hp then u smoke and keep dakka until game ends
Whats theGerman DD playstyle
Efficient.
Excuse me, wtf happen at 0:51? Does Shima drop speed that fast?
"How to Udaloiz your destroyer!"
What the hell kind of ship is that looks like an over modified ship
how do you change your view to follow the trops?
Press "z" key. While following your shells/torps pressing "c" key will toggle through the different shells/torps. Press "z" again to leave this view. The key bindings can be customized via the Setup menu.
What HUD are you using ?