Elder Machando VS Apostle Chiwenga !! Mukadzi Kana Kana Ahura Anoregererwa Here?
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I will be on my elders side
Kana uchitenda kuti Apostle TF Chiwenga vakatumwa ISA like apa
Haana kana akamutuma uyo but anoti zivei shoko
Mukadzi chete here anenge Ahura ,or vice versa ? Why murikuti mukadzi CHETE ,varume Vangani Mahure ane Zvipare ,but first wife anenge angoripo under Oppression
@@JudaMugomba saka ukutichii
@@user-sy4hi9jg5o so far pataurwa zvevakadzi......zvevarume zvinedzidziso yazvo.....chimbogamuchirai izvo makamirira dzidziso dzevarume
@JudaMugomba mashoko enyu arikureva kuti akatumwa zvechokwadi asi iwe you can't accept that.......ko hauzive here kuti shoko ndiro template inoratidza kutumwa..............just for interest sake ko chamanga muchiti kutumwa imimi kudi?
machando clip should be allowed to continue not cut short
Chiwenga did not address the adultery being committed by men who re-marry after divorce except for fornication. He only gave emphasis on the women alone and the verse addresses both men and women
That shows the side of the bible that talks about men being more respected by being men. It's why you find almost all issues concerning women were not as important to biblical text
Chiita ka iwe zve varume zvacho tinzwe
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣@@hilarymsendo31
Wangu the Bible is clear. A man who divorces his wife for any other reason except adultery commits adultery. But a man who has been left by his wife and marries another wife who is not a divorceee does not commit adultery. Also, a man who marries multiple women is also not committing adultery
So what are u saying?…😂
Chiwenga knows the word of God... We are happy to have such kind of Preacher in our country.... Keep the fire burning Apostle Chiwenga
True
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Chiwenga pa bhaibheri na Maponga chete vamwe vese hapana chinozivikana
Togona kuzviramba hedu asi chiwenga pamagwaro chaipo. Hatimukwanise
Ko kurarama magwaro anomararama here.kune team raiita kunge rinogona chikoro asi in real life varikushupika.they mastered theory asi paground (practical) vakadonha
@tatendagurende unotanga waziva magwaro kuti uzomararama,haugoni kurarama magwaro ausingazive,saka what's your point exactly?
@@tatendagurendehow do you live zvinhu zvausingazivi
Aaaah Chiwenga bible anovhura just vamwe vono defend vana papa vavo vana spiritual father
@@tatendagurende Chiwenga akafanana nemunhu webhora anonzvenga ground rese asvika kumberi onopotsa gedhe. To correct him they is no verse that says a husband should not forgive a wife that has committed adultery yes it can be a reason to divorce but a husband can forgive if he chooses to
To the law and to the testimony kana vasina izvozvo havana chiedza chamangwanani hakuna chivi chisingaregererwi kusara kwekutuka mweya mutsvene coz He's the one who convict sin
Anoroora haasi Mwari parikutaurwa pamurume nemukadzi Pasi pano vakaroorana
Tomira naElder apa coz vatsanangura Chapter 19 from vs2-9 sezvairi nezvakataurwa naJesu kuti nokuda kwehukukutu hwemoyo yenyu
2 Vanhu vazhinji-zhinji vakamutevera, akavaporesapo.
3 V aFarise vakavuya kwaari, vakamuidza, vachiti: Ko munhu unotenderwa kurasha mukadzi wake nemhaka ipi neipi here?
4 Akapindura, akati: Hamuna kurava here, kuti uyo wakavasika pakutanga, wakavaita murume nomukadzi?
5 Akati: Nokuda kwaizvozvo murume uchasiya baba vake namai vake, akanamatira mukadzi wake; ava vaviri va chava nyama imwe.
6 nokudaro havachiri vaviri, asi nyama imwe. Zvino, izvo Mwari zvaakasonganisa, munhu ngarege kuzviparadzanisa.
7 Vakati kwaari: Mosesi wakagoraireiko kuti murume amupe rugwaro rwokumuramba, agomurasha?
8 Akati kwavari: Nokuda kwovukukutu bwemoyo yenyu Mosesi wakakutenderai kurasha vakadzi venyu, asi kubva pakutanga zvakanga zvisina kudaro.
9 Ndinoti kwamuri: Aninani unorasha mukadzi wake, asi nemhaka yovupombwe, akawana mumwe, unoita vupombwe;, nounowana wakarashwa unoita vupombwe.
10 Vadzidzi vakati kwaari: Kana zvakadaro pakati pomurume nomukadzi, hazvina kunaka kuwana.
Well explained thank you
ukukutu ndi Moses, verse 9 Jesu akati chii?
Chiwenga haaparidzi shoko rine theme ye grace, thats his error. Yes anovhura bible but his guiding principle is not grace. Elder Machando has wisdom ava and the bible says wisdom is the principal thing therefore get wisdom. Zvekuita mimmick ma scripture izvo kana satan anozvigona futi.
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Mudzimba munosara musina wanhu umu Zigo
Zigo watorera nyaya pamusoro. The issue of devorce as a result of adultery was already taught by elder Machando. However he is encouraging youth not to opt for devorce.
Ndezvako izvo😂😂😂😂
But he should not lie to us
@@tawandacharleskachisi3202 iye akutaurirei nhema elder machando wacho
absolutely agree , and l also think apostle should also emphasise the fact that even fro men its also adultery
bible harizi novel
Understanding the Bible is not just memorising it but in reading and understanding it with the aid of the Holy Spirit otherwise you lead people astray. People open your eyes
Zveshoko raMwari zvinoda mweya mtsvene abatsire kuzvi understander
Chokwadi
all of them Are Correct hapana ashaishaa apo ...
l support them all
Much respect for you Zigo. That's your point of view, both of these are right.
Matthew 6:14-15: For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
Luke 23:34: Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
Colossians 3:13: Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
Haa amana ka, patisiri kunzwisisa ndepapi?Varume ava varikungotaura the same thing.If they ever are not agreeing at all, I see this as a problem of one man trying to be more competitive than the other, but essentially their interpretations are the same.Reminds me tiri kumusha tichirwisaniswa nezvisina basa zvemazamu anamai emavhu
in short bible is saying
Hakuna mukadzi anofana kuziva varume more than 1 pabonde inenge yatove mhombwe.
Mukadzi anoroorwa chete kechi2 kana murume akamubvisa umhandara afa, any other encounter besides that upombwe.
murume akarara nemukadzi atove mukadzi wake , akamusiya anova nemhosva yekumuitisa upombwe kana akazonorara neumwe murume, uye anofana kumurambira upombwe chete, kwete abuse.
wese akaroorwa kana kusaroorwa as long as akarara nevarume more than 1 imhombwe , except for widow , and that widow must be married
To us who listened to the entire statement of elder Machado we know what he meant, but to you who like judging without full information shame on you.
If you want to understand his full statement of those words elder Machado said, listen to the entire statement from where it came from up to where he finished responding to the question he was answering.
All these preachers are right according to their explanations
Yeah that's true
Thanks mukoma zigo matipa izvi makapenga kugadziraneka song
Elder chando to the world vanogona
😂😂😂😂 Zigo akupisa guys
Apostle Chiwenga standing very solid & firm in the scriptures 🙌🏼😂… Chiwenga ndi shefu
Ahhhh kuita kurwisanisa shoko. Zigo wada mari zvakashata. Uchatongerwa ropa revanhu vaurikukonzeresa confusion
Anonzi elder muchando veduwe😂😂😂
Elder machando mundigonera keep on good work Eredha naro basa raMwari Samaita vaera tembo support hama yedu iyo iende mberi isai like ana mbizi woyeee
Pa bhaibheri na Chiwenga elder mwana pashoko. Mufana anoriziva. Elder confusion yega yega
Zigo💪 one of best TH-camr in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
Chiwenga ngadzidziswe haaziv...
true he is full of heresy
Zigo wakapenga watoita chinziyo neaudio yaChiwenga, plus ukuwedzera kugona kuita maintro for your videos I appreciate zvakanaka.
Haa ASI mukadzi aita upombe ndiye haariorwi ko waaita naye upombe anoroora here haisi mhombe here
Actually there's no wrong that is unforgivable.
Liking the new Intro
Apostle vanovhura magwaro, elder confusion yega yega
Elder Nachando is 100% right. There are no reasons or conditions for divorce in the Bible. Still, as Jesus says in the earlier text by Apostle Chiwenga Mathew 19 v 8: He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning, it was not so.
and on 9 Jesus adds And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it is for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Marriage is a picture of Jesus and his bride the church. Church commits adultery spiritually day in day out. Jesus forgives us, forgave us, will forgive us. For everything including adultery. There is no sin that can overcome the blood of Jesus. Hosea 2:14-17 where God comes out and forgives the woman's adultery. One thing that people forget is that during the days when the Lord Jesus was on earth, adultery was deadly. A person was stoned if it was found that she had committed adultery. It was the only divorce that happened in those days. God was the one who separated people with that law because people were hard of heart. Therefore, a man should love his wife as Jesus loves his church. Ephesians 5:25-27. Jesus cleanses his wife even though she has committed sins as red as blood. That's how I understood this word
@Zigo 🎉 🔥
The comments a too short . We have to know were the preacher is coming from.
Vese vari right ...elder is right teaching the youth zvinoita kuti vanhu vataurirane and fix marriages ...at the same time ukawona mkadzi ahura atoshata just let her go she mighty stop but haaa anenge asisanyatsokude
Ndokunonzi ku paridza nhemha false prophet kuparudza zvino pesana nemagwaro
@wandifadzashupiki Ko murume akahura??
@@yllabisThey will say hazvina basa as if God respects men more than women.kkk
CChiwenga muhombe uyo may God bless the talent
Mathew 5 :32 Supports what Chiwenga is saying as well
Apa Chiwenga arasika. Elder vaparidza. Iro verse raari kuti riripo harina kuti upombwe is a reason yedivorce, but can be an exception if you do want to divorce your wife.
i agree with both speakers
The problem is it's like a competition between the 2 as if they were replying each other face to face yet they are 2 different clips.Take Adventists and Chiwenga if so and put them in a studio for a discussion,muchaziva zvokwadi, you can't just stand on one verse to create doctrine out of it,the Bible say isai chirevo pamusoro pechirevo,Isaya 28 vs 10 or Isaya 34 vs 16 therefore Chiwenga is not knowing what he is saying
There is no where the scripture says a husband can not forgive his wife who has committed adultery.Was Hosea the prophet commiting adulter when he married his wife who was now a prostitute?Hosea chapter 3.I need pastor Chiwenga to reply
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Chokwadi chiri pa deuteronomy 29:29 Ko murume akaramba mukadzi pasina kupomba. Apa pane kakubatira vakadzi I am sure they is better explanations than zvataurwa navo vose.
Imi woye hanzi hupombwe hauregererwe and in the book of Hebrews we see Rakabi chipfeve in the chapter 11 which is the the chapter of heros of faith. Marry Magadaline was saved anga arichiii mukoma you must do systematic theology. Shoko rinoti marashika nekusaziva magwaro kana simba ramwari matthew 22:29
Context matters wangu,tanga wanzwisisa zvataurwa usati wamhanya ku commenter.....mukadzi wemunhu ahura nemunhu angohura hake zvakatosiyana pamberi paMwari....murume anorara nemukadzi wemunhu nemurume anorara nemunhu asina kurorwa zvakasiyana pamberi paMwari.... saka usasanganisa zvinhu dzokera ku video uterere zvakanaka kwete kungoita ruvengo
True
Nzwisisai nyaya ☺️
Mukadzi akaita hupombwe akasiiwa nemurume wake haaroorwe . Angangoponeswa but kuMerriage haachakwane@@thembandlovu3344
Mabhero bhoo
Marriage is a picture of Jesus and his bride the church. Church commits adultery spiritually day in day out. Jesus forgives us, forgave us, will forgive us. For everything including adultery. There is no sin that can overcome the blood of Jesus. Hosea 2:14-17 where God comes out and forgives the woman's adultery. One thing that people forget is that during the days when the Lord Jesus was on earth, adultery was deadly. A person was stoned if it was found that she had committed adultery. It was the only divorce that happened in those days. God was the one who separated people with that law because people were hard of heart. Therefore, a man should love his wife as Jesus loves his church. Ephesians 5:25-27. Jesus cleanses his wife even though she has committed sins as red as blood. That's how I understood this word.
Nyangwe zvivi zvako zvakatsvuka seropa ini ndichazvichenesa sechando, problem yava pa competitions yekuziva shoko kwete kutevera matsimba aJesu.
Wil yu be firgiven if yu sin against the holy spirit
Chiwenga is good at mixing truth and error. The only sin that is unpardonable is blasphemy against the holy Spirit. Matt 12 v31-32. Ngaverenge shoko zvakanaka. Zviri kumunhu atadzirwa kuregerera kana kusaregerera but to forgive is the character of CHRIST
Well said.
Very true
Iwe kuregererwa na Mwari nekuregererwa nemurume hazvifanani
to forgive is the character of Christ, Amen mwana wekumusha
Also not entirely true. Holy spirit is a extension of Christ. So it's a sin against the Christ. Who is like our husband. Hence the context yekuti mukadzi is like us when it comes to christ
Why was rahub the grand mother of Jesus a former halot
Chiwenga needs to reread the bible😢😊
Because you read the bible as if inovel
Rahab old testsment before Jesus
So because of one hallort in the bible you want everyone women to be a hallort ? Really?
The introductory song is superb, i played it three times before watching the rest of the video, you are very creative bro, how you turned a negative criticism into an amazing introduction is remarkable. Well done.
Inga zvirikunzi besides adultery thez no other reason in the bible for divorce
Ndokumbira platform yekuvhunza especially Apostle Chiwenga and Elder Machando .Apostle Chiwenga ndinoda kuti vatsanangure pamusoro pe word rekuti fornication kuti riri kurevei mundima uye the greek /hebrew etc word rakashandiswa uye kuti ma manuscripts anotii ?
Machando is right, the verse is talking about unlawfull marriage. reason for kurambana is makunakuna/ marrying relative/ minor.
9 Ndinoti kwamuri: Aninani unorasha mukadzi wake, asi nemhaka yovupombwe, akawana mumwe, unoita vupombwe;, nounowana wakarashwa unoita vupombwe.
This verse is clear Jesus never addreses the women but to men like elder is interpreting if men marrying after devorce is committing adultery
As for Elder it was question and answer segment and those who asked their question know that SUBJECT before
Persona non grata 😊😊😊
Great 👍
Matt.19.7 - They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?"
Matt.19.8 - He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
If you look from the above verse you can see that Moses allowed wives who committed adultery because of the hardness of the hearts for the husbands otherwise God wanted the husbands to give their wives if they asked for forgiveness. So it's not proper to say adultery is an unforgivable sin and a person can't remarry. In actual fact if couples in a marriage have forgiving hearts they shouldn't divorce if the guilty part asks for forgiveness. That's according to the scriptures from the beginning before Moses had to agree for them to divorce and issue a divorce certificate.
Elder is angry, why? 😢
What is murume akahura ariye, obva atizwa nemukadzi, murume iyeye anotenderwa kuroora zvekare here
Context!, Apostle Chiwenga. One verse in the Bible does not stand on its own. This time i give it to Elder Machando.
They both ignored the part that says as long as he or she lives
Chiwenga is full of heresy
Ko ivo vari kuvhura mabhero acho vanouyawo here as an additional package ndikatenga bhero racho 😂 😁 🙈 🤣
The law and grace are two sides of the same coin. Mukaziva ipapo you will be free from all this nonsense. Jesus Christ spoke under the law.
Anorora mkadzi akambohura imhobwe futi😂😂😂😂
Kkkkkk chiwenga huchi
haaa sound track iyo mahwani .Zigo is a journalist
Now tavenevaparidzi❤
Zigo ndonzi P man please ndipindurewo why apostle chiwenga vasati vambo diss miracle Paul
Matthew 5:31-32, which says that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. reason for both husband and wife reason yaive isipo asi yakazoisiwa an mwari
Chiwenga anonyepa and he is twisting the suit their lustful agenda and also oppressing his congregants
Heeeezvo
Handifarire hangu Chiwenga but apa chibaba apedza masports
Apostle vakapedza zviripachena
This issue is much deeper and serious before God than what Chiwenga is saying.A divorced women who has a living ex husband is not permitted to be lawfully married unless her husband is dead.If you vow a vow to your girlfriend or boyfriend even at high school that you are going to get married to each other God consider it a marriage
tf chiwenga made me a Christian
Give equal time
Apa Chiwenga akapotsa maVerse
Hanzi ko vanodya sadza rabikwa neataura zvisina basa kumurume he is commiting adultery... ko Hosea akanzi enda unotora iyeye wacho apomba iyeye not once. Amanaka and chiwenga seems to be like he is making sense coz he is clashing what some1 was not addressing... haana kuhwa zvataurwa.
Understand the difference between old and new testament
Chiwenga was preaching a sermon kwete kupindurana naMachado,Zigo ndiye azvibatanidza
Idzo dzanaHosea chimbosiyai zvenyu coz muchazobvunza futi kuti sei Samuel akauraya mambo uya wekusiiwa naSaul izvi zvichinzi usauraya.
Why do you where sunglasses.
1. They are called SUNGLASSES for a reason
2. They make your presentations impersonal
3. It's not fashionable
It true
Varikutaura zvakafanana wani?
Handirambe chapter iyi asi mubvunzo wangu uri pakut mukadzi uyu ,atsvaga nyasha kuna Mwari nekuda kweshoko raakanzwa zvino Mwari zvaariye anotonga nekupa mumwe nemumwe mubairo wake wokubata kwake chii chichatevera ndava iye uchabatwa nehosha yekuda murume ndava ndewenyama ka achaita sei munhu akadai
problem yatinoita pa commenter pamharidzo dzese dzinoitwa tinotorerwa nyaya pamusoro uye tisina kunzwisisa shoko ramwari rinoda kukumbirirwa hama kuti rigone kupinda matiri
Chiwenga haafananidzwe neve ma drama ava
I don't see the difference in the way the two interprets the scripture. They are all correct
maiweeee tese tirikuroora vasiri virgin. shako marinzwaa 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂tirimhombwee
Ko mukadzi uyu ano pomba ega here asina murume waari kupomba naye? Heya murume anobvumirwa kuroora here ? Tibatsireiwo Apostle.
She can be put away because of fornication not adultery as in the scripture. Fornication and adultery are the same acts but at different times. Fornication is between unmarried or before marriage but adultery is done by the married. If a woman fornicates and you marry her without confessing it then you can divorce her... but God hates separation because the twain shall be one.
Chiwenga is laying Remember they even brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery what did Yahusha messiah say if there is anyone who did not commit a sin through the stone no one did even Yahusha messiah did not but he was without sin and another reason is in that time no woman would survive the death Yahusha messiah came to give life to sinners as we were forgiven should we forgive.
Adultery is only used when at least one of the parties involved is married, whereas fornication may be used to describe two people who are unmarried engaging in consensual sexual intercourse. Jesus is talking about fornication, like what Joseph wanted to do to Mary to put her away (there were bethrothed to each other but fornication could lead to putting away ie divorce)
Baba venyu mose neni Adam akaregerera Wani Eva paakatangirwa parwendo rwekuziva mukadzi wake nechikara!
Verse ndizvo zvarikutaura asi kana iwe ukamunzwira tsitsi haukwanise kumutuka nekuda kwehupombwe hwaakaita
Matthew, chapter 19, verses 7-8. In these verses, Jesus is responding to a question about divorce posed to Him by the Pharisees.
The Pharisees asked why Moses commanded to give a certificate of divorce and to put away one's wife. Jesus replied that Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of people's hearts, but that it was not part of God's original plan.
Jesus emphasized that from the beginning, when God created man and woman, His intention was for marriage to be a lifelong commitment and not to be broken by divorce. This passage underscores the importance of the sanctity and permanence of marriage in Christian teachings.
Don't comppare apostle Chiwenga and motivational speaker
tMathew 19 v 9 says if a man divorces a wife except kana pane hupombwe, then that's when the two are still tied together, they are still married because there was no infidelity then the wife divorced without infidelity can not be remarried because she is still tied to the previous husband, but 1 Peter 4v8 speaks of how love covers a multitude of sins, which means even when there is infidelity the husband can still choose to forgive the wife just like Christ did for us all and the only sin the Lord Jesus says cannot be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit ( Mthw 12 v 31)
Hindava pachinzi fornication pasinganzi adultery.is it a problem of version, manuscripts or misunderstanding
Haa intro iro ma1 Zigo ndapula ndapula zvee
Chiwenga reads the Bible to an extent that if you are not also a reader you cannot see his mistakes!
No reason for devorce,,, devorce ichoice yako asi Jesu akazviramba zvekurambana