MotorWeek | Retro Review: '84 Lincoln Mark VII & Composite Headlights
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- Ford's answer to BMW was a Fox body Lincoln with air springs, flush headlamps, and a 5.0 liter V8. Be sure to watch the extra segment on sealed beam vs composite headlights!
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I love how some of you "experts" on here are comparing 2016 technology with 80's tech and actually feeling proud of yourselves. I also love how the "experts" are comparing much lighter cars and their acceleration numbers with this luxury coupe. As an owner of an 88 Mark 7 let me say this much. The car is not a quarter mile demon by any means and really should never be viewed as such. However the car is a great cruiser and has a super smooth ride that really epitomizes the idea of a luxury coupe. On the freeway it has a nice low revving 5.0HO and is just silky smooth. You just have to respect the vehicle for what it is and for the technology that was around at the time.
As a former Mark VI owner..I always appreciated how good the Mark VII looked..especially the Bill Blass edition in dark blue. Sadly..Lincoln no longer builds cars this comfortable or reliable and has lost it's way. Hopefully one day I will once again own a Mark VI.
LJSJIUJITSU:
1st of all, it's not a 5.0.....as usual American car makers lie about almost everything about their vehicles. I remember back in the back, the horrible build-quality was so evident from hundreds of feet of away.
The Mark 7 was/is nothing more than than a tacky Ford Fairmont...lots of chassis flex included as Standard Equipment.
A Honda Accord hatchback (3rd Generation) was a more refined vehicle for half the Price. Even a Toyota Supra for $5,000 less than the Mark 7 was a better car...all the goodies like smooth in-line 6 and Independent Rear Suspension.
It's why then and now, the Big 3 can find few Retail suckers willing to buy their garbage.
D McNamara You're kidding, right? In 1984 the Honda Accord was a tin death drap with an 85 horsepower thrasher under the hood, and the Mark was never intended to compete with the Toyota Supra. Totally different cars for a totally different audience.
Fast forward to 1990 and the story is the same except an Accord had a buck twenty five under the hood and did 0-60 in something like 12 seconds with an automatic gear slammer and a deafening roar. Why would you even mention those cars on a review of the Mark? You've essentially created an automotive straw man on which you built a curiously vague slam of a car you don't really seem to know that much about. And i'm a Honda guy (owner of an LSC at one point in history) with no loyalty to American cars, but come on...seriously.
kgbeezr75:
1984 Accord was the Second Generation Accord (mid-cycle refresh;which in turn was a re-skinned 1st Generation Accord). The 3rd Generation which rode on a wider Platform and longer wheelbase and was a sign of what the 4 Generation Accord would be was a better car than than a 1984 LSC gas or BMW powered turbo diesel...and yes faster than the oil burner version.
Toyota Supra was a more refined car than the LSC...my friend in high-school then received a Brand New Supra (Mark 2)....it was the ultimate roadtrip car for us....quiet,filled with gimmicks/features, and peppy for the times.If my memory is correct,many automotive Journalists described it as the best GT in the World regardless of price or Country of origin.
The 4th Generation Accord was very quiet...it's why it (the Accord)has remained the Number 1 Retail selling spot in the USA car market since then. Sorry, Camry Retail sales don't even close to the Accord when you discount Camry Fleet sales;which in most cases are sold at break-even or at loss in many cases when all expenses are added-up. I have never been in any Accord that had a "deafening roar" as you described.
Really? "My friend in high school" tells me all I need to know. Well, I was in the business then and you can stuff your "magic little rice burner" where the sun doesn't shine. I recall now how much I despised your type back then. You have no idea what you are talking about and likely perceive Japanese owned Consumer Reports as the Bible. The Mk 7, unlike the junk peddled by GM, though to their credit a V6 full sized Pontiac or Buick got better hwy fuel economy than most rice cans. Between GM and arrogant "Japan is better" types such as yourself we are lucky there are any American cars left in production. BTW: the Fairmont you deride introduced rack and pinion and McPherson strut to low priced mid-sized cars. It also had some of the lowest repair cost in the industry at the time. I might also point out that nearly all domestics were safer than Asian imports in collisions. I joined the auto industry in 1978 and retired from it in 2009. During that time I managed numerous new car franchise dealerships including Subaru and Hyundai. I recall Japan's trade practices and deceptive advertising. The Japanese have never built sedans the equal of Europeans. I take great pleasure in knowing that Hyundai and KIA have overtaken Japanese dominance in the industry and Ford is still going strong without accepting the fascism of the Obama administration as GM did. Chrysler, unfortunately, was sold to Mercedes by a former GM exec so they could gain distribution and milk Chrysler as a cash cow during Chrysler's successful era with the redesigned Ram pickups, Sebring convertibles, minivans (that were head and shoulders above Previa and Odessy which got horrible fuel economy) and the "cab-forward" Concordes and Intrepid, which I would happily put up against an Accord. BTW thanks for your "patriotism." Sarcasm from a VN era Marine.
Kind of crazy how much changed in 5 years, between the ship sized Mark V of 1979 and this car. I'm sure anybody who had one of those old 70's battle-cruisers and traded it in on a Mark VII were blown away by the handling and better road manners.
Can relate, I went from a Mark V to Mark VII
Had/have them both and love them both.
I wish they would still put glass headlight housings in today's cars. I hate how the plastic ones get faded.
Plastic headlights begins to look nasty after a few years.
weight saving measures
+969thewhip Wet sand and polish it - like new! Have to get off all the oxidation.
Toothpaste is great for polishing the housings.
CodeBleu724 That does not work. they will be all faded again by the next day.
Composite headlights introduced in 1984. It is 2017, still waiting for ones that don't cloud over.
They didnt used to cloud over because they were actually glass, not plastic
I never knew Ford created these kinds of bulbs! Pretty cool. And I like this car, I love the idea of taking a Euro approach and trying something unconventional to previous Lincoln owners.
Please bring back MotorWeek marathons on a permanent basis.
Always liked these, never actually watched a review, but to me the most revolutionary thing is that they had functional cup holders in 1984 no one else did
Back when you could set the cruise control and the car wouldn't downshift on every hill. Not a.ton of Hp, but plenty of torque
I have watched this about 1,000 times now, can't get enough of it!
Wow, and I thought MY life was boring.
The gentleman's hot rod!!!!!!!!! Composite/flush headlamps are now used on virtually every vehicle on the road, but the 1984 Lincoln Mark VII was the first car sold in America to ever have them. 5:34..............DUNKS, BABY..........YES!!!!!!!! There are about 10 within a 5 mile radius from my house!!!!!
I had an 88 LSC, after hating Lincoln for downsizing the Mark, I drove it and fell in love, owned 2 MK VII s and 1 MZk VIII, after a lot of MKIVs etc
Had an 88 too, bought in 92 because it was mint and low miles, good price, impulse buy (previous car VW GTI), and the LSC will go down in history as one of my favorite cars easy, and i've had many. Never would have seen myself in that car before driving it. Good stuff.
Awesome video, gorgeous Lincoln!! Thank you motor week!!
Oooo I love the rotating beauty shots , with e-z listening music!! 🤩🤩
Those cars are beautiful
Why does no-one display interior DB anymore? Id love to know who has the quietest ride out there now. Edmunds has some but not all and honestly its been shrinking over the years. This is 80's glamor pig all over, just love it. Would love to see a Mark V review!
+Jacob Barros Sadly Motorweek wasn't around yet when the Mark V was in production.
+Jacob Barros Because for one thing, it's extremely unreliable. The surface you're driving on has a huge impact on the noise levels, as does the wind blowing that day, and even just where you position the microphone can play a major difference. Try moving your head around in the car at speed and you can easily validate this.
Awesome video. love the portion on the headlights.
He forgot to mention, they also made a Diesel powered Mark VII.
No he didn't. The Mark VII didn't get the diesel until 1985. This test was done in 1984
My uncle had one of these when I was younger...I think his was a deep red late 80's model, but it was sharp!
Way ahead of it's time.
The horn back on the steering wheel where it always belonged ! ! I remember when they were putting it on the turn signal stalk...just so stupid :)
I had a 93 Tempo with a stalk horn (airbag model) and i liked being able to use the horn without having to move my hand at all.
The original Doug DeMuro
Thissss...
Do you have a segment from the first car MotoWeek tested with ABS?
How you guys have one for the mark vi
Its interesting to know this was one of the first american cars to have the more modern style headlights.
Not one of... it was the first. The Taurus followed shorty.
Beautiful car. Perfect car. A dream car.
Was the passenger door repainted???
My dad had this exact model, trim, & colour. It was sold just before I got my learner's licence in 2001. Sad that I never got to drive it.
THE REGULAR CONTINENTAL DID NOT HAVE REAL WOOD IN IT!! VERY STRANGE???. AMAZING THE BRAKES WERE THIS GOOD AND THEY HADN'T EVEN PUT THE ABS ON IT YET. WHEN THEY SWITCHED TO THE MUSTANG GT 5.0 H.O. ENGINE LATER THIS CAR REALLY BECAME A HOT LUXURY COUPE WITH SOME 0 TO 60 TIMES COMING IN UNDER 8 SECONDS. REALLY GOOD FOR THE 80'S!!!
PAUL PETERSON take it easy buddy! No need to yell 😖
fuzzy wuzzy You know guys who use the word "faggot" in conversation usually turn out to be gay, right? If not fully gay then at least inclined to sport wood at the sight of a giant cock or the promise of a handjob from a stranger in a public restroom (i've heard). I mean....if you don't want people to get the wrong idea or something....
I'm glad my 08 FJ Cruiser has glass headlights because my 02 SVT Focus plastic ones suck!
I don't think it was the fear of water or dirt that was holding off the switch to composite but rather the Guide Lamp division of GM that dominated the headlight market
Beautiful car. I see were they got the 2 gen Lincoln towncar from
That concept vehicle with the composite headlights was very modern for 1983 or 84. Just goes to show you that by the time you see a new modern vehicle, the designers may consider it old news lol. The 80s really was the start of what we have today technology and design-wise.
This makes a great mob car to drive to the local Italian restaurant and discuss who needs to get whacked over a lunch of ravioli
I wish lincoln would do a modern LSC with the new continental.
Wow, those look really nice all shiny. I never saw those models new, only all beat up.
Usually when a car reaches the 1/4 mile at 16.8 sec it usually gets there in approximately 80-82mph instead of the 77mph that they've tested.
They don't make cars like this anymore. MW do u have a review of 88-91 Mercury Grand Marquis or upper from 92-97? wud love see a review about the Grand Marquis.
there is a review of the 1992 Mercury Grand Marquis available.
@@Doobie1975 thx for telling me been waiting for review of the 92 Grand Marquis.
The passenger door is a different colour lol
Is it me or is the passenger door on the Lincoln in the opening a lot darker then the rest of the side panels?
This lamb noticed this as well.
Me too, unless my eyes are playing tricks on me. LoL 😁
Awesome car
Wasn't the Austin Maestro the first car to use reflector composite lamps?
True, but they were launched within weeks of each other and the Maestro never made it to the US
The V8 that was in the Mark VIII found its way into the Mustang
$5 in 1984 is about $12 today. Suppose you probably could find a really cheap headlamp for $12 but I prefer my $25+ a bulb Sylvania ZXE.
I have a white one with Hawthorn ground effects spoilers all around it and rear spoiler on trunk.
Had a problem with anti lock brakes and dealer gave me brand new smaller car to drive 6 months they still had not got it fixed. Back in those days, I call the Ford HQ and asked to speak to VP of Sales and told his secretary how long they had it. He call me back the next day and asked if it was drivable and he’ll it was but brakes would pulse way to much when applied. He ask me to take it to a dealership 30 miles away and it was fixed the next day and he called me back to make sure it was fixed. Sold it, and guys wife rolled it first week they had it.
I remember how much of a big deal those flush composite headlamps were back then. But I didn't remember that Lincoln was the first to use them.
This lamb thought the 86 Taurus/Sable was the first FLM product to get them.
6:12 brings to mind seeing every Lincoln Mark VII riding down the road with its ass dragging along behind it.
@daddyrichten Probably either air pump or load-leveling valve failure, or just the airbags rotting out over time.
Retro reviews : "a fast quarter mile time of 26 seconds"
It was an 84, you act like your so high and mighty. Fuck off mate
@@trevorcollum6883 can you explain how he's acting high and mighty?
I have classic cars and modern cars. I prefer sealed beam, sure the glass can be damaged on my sealed beam headlights but the Arizona sun is hell on the composite ones. They are all fogged up and I'm
forced to spend lots of money on replacements. Also most cars after 201 0 have taken the ease out of replacing bulbs on composite headlights. Many
times you have to remove the grille, fenders, battery.....It's ridiculous!
I miss the personal luxury coupe segment of the domestic car makers. Stylish, comfortable and powerful. Now it's nothing but tanks and trucks...blech. But what's with the rotor resting on the face of that alloy rim at 6:10? Sheesh!
Connie's nose does a deep dive while her light and lively rear end does a highrise routine sure to bring any moonshiner to immediate attention
Beautiful car even now. And 23 MPG tested fuel consumption is great for a throttle body injected
These cars still look fresh...there is something about them which doesn't look "old" (whether old in a good or bad way).
The luxury foxbody 😍
What kind of Mark is that at 9:20
An earlier design for the Mark VII.
those rubber air bags were then about $2400.00 for a pair replacement , everyone I knew with one of these or the Continental sedan complained about the cost to keep them up
Akin to Rolls Royce suspension
@@dougfredricks2017 I have heard that price on the older rolls suspension made these look cheap
@@califdad4Hello, I have had the Versailles 80; a Mark IV and 83 Cont 4Door with Standard suspension and, a 84 Cont 4 door with the Air suspension., A colleague would convert them from air to standard spring with minimal complaints. Btw I always liked the Mark III
@@dougfredricks2017 I met a guy with a 95 Mark XIII, and he told me he had his redone to springs from the thunderbird with a sport suspension from the same era, he said he had done that to his previous Mark but lost it in a divorce
@@califdad4 😆 at "divorce is The screwing you Get... For the screwing you Got..." 😜
1:32 “fat sticky tires”. Lol!
That's funny?
Looks like she handles very well for such a heavy car.
This lamb concurs with this statement.
Of course it's pretty light compared to modern cars.
Bad thing about composite headlights is the yellowing or fogging over that happens to them.
My 95 Mazda 626 and even my 08 Accord had that issue. Lambs prefer glass over plastic.
+travisp11 I think this Lincoln had glass. Both of my Saabs have glass leanses, which is awesome.
The video says they are composite which is usually means, plastic or a product such as Lexan.
+travisp11 new cars use plastic. older cars were glass. composite I believe just means that the bulb was a separate replaceable piece from the lens housing.
+travisp11: No Travis. Early composite headlights used glass lenses. Plastic lenses didn't come along until the late 90's early 2000's.
Wonder why they didn’t also make sedan
The sedan version was there - called the Continental and was first out in mid-1981 as an early 1982 model. And believe it or not, the 1988 front-drive Continental was actually _not_ the first Continental with the 3.8 V6... nope, it was the 1982 Continental, but that option was dropped for the rest of the run from 1983-87.
glad he's wearing a helmet in a 70mph quarter mile car. lol
lol! probably required for insurance purposes
This was a pretty good car in 1984. These early Ford CFI throttle body fuel injection systems owned everything else out there in reliability and simplicity back then. GM TBI was the only thing that came close to this Ford system.
+scdevon: I always felt the GM TBI was better than Ford's.
They were both great systems. A little lame on the high performance side of things, but dead nuts reliable.
The SFI on my Tempo never gave me a problem.
1:42 good handling all right
The 1984 model was a new design built on the Fox Body with 5 bolt hubs and rear disc brakes. I wonder if it used the same front rotors and rear axle shafts as the Mustang SVO? I shake my head as to how unbelievably cheap Ford was not offering as an option 5 bolt hubs and rear disc brakes on non SVO Mustangs and Capri’s. The 1978 Ford Fairmont had 5 bolt hubs and wheels. Ford changed to 4 bolt hubs and wheels on all of the Fox Body’s for the 1979 model year. For the people who have never heard of the 1978 Fairmont having 5 bolt hubs, I had two coworkers delivering pizza at Pizza Hut in the late 1990’s. Tim had a 1979 Fairmont which had a flat tire. His spare was bad. He asked the other driver Marty if he could borrow the spare from his 1978 Fairmont and Marty said I would except my 1978 has 5 bolt wheels.
Hi Dean. Yeah I had to leave Fordsix because of a local guy with mental problems was on there who I had to go to the local police about stalking me. I still don’t know what name he was using on there. I haven’t seen him in 4-1/2 years and I’m hoping that he left town and I never see him again. I think I said before I left Fordsix I was diagnosed with Lyme disease in 2013. I’ve had Lyme since the early 80’s. The last 6 years has been quite a battle with Lyme disease but I’m still working. I have three 2.3 Rangers 2004, 2009 and 2011. I regret having to sell my 1994 F250HD with the 300-6 and ZF 5 speed 6 years ago. The clutch slave failed and I wasn’t feeling good enough to repair it. I miss people on there like Lazy JW and a few others.
Boyd W : No worries. Im just glad your enjoying the MotorWeek re-heats. Health and wealth my friend.
Cool. I have a TH-cam channel here if you want to have a look.
Boyd W : Yep, replied on one. Thanks.
It was a groundbreaking design at the time. Sporty and luxurious. Interior was lame as it was similar to lesser Ford brands. The same steering wheel design could be found on the Ford Tempo. Uggh. Even the dash was similar to the Taurus and Tempo. At least a Cadillac's dash looked nothing like a Caprice. Nice attempt at the diesel market with the BMW share but a little late to the game as GM had soured USA car buyers on anything diesel at this point.
I don't understand that 0 to 60 time. I had a 1997 Buick Riviera with a similar weight in a 4-speed transmission and it's at 0 to 60 in 7.0 sec. (One night, I got 6.8). Maybe it was all the emissions crap that they had on there in the early 80s?
1984 was older throttle body fuel injection. Your 97 Buick mostly like had the more precise and efficient multi port fuel injection... you can’t compare the 2.
@@jayson657 I wasn't responding based on the technology it has. I was responding based on the stats of horsepower and torque.
@@CeeStyleDj i was saying the technology is the reason why the 97 Buick had better power and performance than the 84 Mark. More advanced fuel delivery system was the main reason why you had a faster 0-60 and more hp.
@@jayson657 I see.
It's because your Riviera has 240 HP and 280 LB FT of torque. The 1984 Mark 7 had I believe 150 to 160 HP which translates to that 9-10 second 0-60. Even the later 225 HP cars clocked in around 7.5 to 8 seconds.
The new Continental is really sharp, make it a coupe with a cyotoe 5.0.
This car would look better with a lower stance, but that would mean replacing the air-springs with smaller bags (preferable) or converting to coils (heinous).
I believe the LSC was a lower profile ico. Tires
This A NICE LINCOLN GOOD COUPE ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Getting rid of the awful standardized sealed-beam -- a watershed moment in cars designed for the US market, and all cars in general since the US is such a big market. We now have beautiful headlamp designs in many cars the world over, even the inexpensive ones! It's cool to think how much a small regulation change like this has had so much impact on automotive design.
+Audio Crossing and then there was also those over-sized bumpers and automatic seatbealts!
+dcanmore automatic seat belts were an interim solution in lieu of an airbag.
Yea, 5mph bumpers were terrible, you could hit things and not damage your car or another car. Bad idea.
I can't stand listening to this guy but the cars are great!
Actually 4.9 liter V-8
AZDuffman doesn't matter really. It's still the reliable 302 Ci
Commonly called the 5.0, but the displacement is unmistakably 4,942 cc.
fuzzy wuzzy LOL, in this thread too. Getting stuffy in that closet, bruh? And no one gives a shit about 50cc's or your fanatical completest kick, OP.
Well those of us that grew up with old Fords simply called it the 302.
@@TeeroyHammermill I call it that. Still 8cc shy of 5.0 even with rounding
You could also get bmw diesel in this as well
1984 and 1985, yes.
Blake Bias a Lincoln and a Bimmer.
The BMW diesel was a smooth and refined engine, it was designed as an automotive engine.
Great usa car.👍🇺🇸
I thought some of these Lincoln came with a BMW 6 too....?
2:29 Me telling my girlfriend that I gambled away my paycheck again.
ooo first comment! Got that grey import Citroen XM test?
+dcanmore Congrats, you won a car! ;)
Citroen XM review? Yes please!
I would love to own a Mark7. but not that year. maybe an 87 or 88. but not the early models. they didn't have the 225 hp ratings like the 87-92 cars
62,000$ in today's money, similar gas mileage. Thought they seem to, many things never change.
You know the original fuel economy was 17 and 27 for this car when they revised it they became 14 and 20. That I say is one of the problems with the government tests and also the use of ethanol in the fuel.
My 1990 Bonneville was originally 17 city/28 highway and now 15 city/25 highway with the "new" rating.
The thing rolls all over the place and brakes like a loaded 18 wheeler.
This lamb thinks the typical driver barely noticed.
Last time I checked my kenworth doesn't plow when stopping in a emergency when you idiot cars cut us off!!
+chad harmon I wish it would let me double like you comment!
Right, I mean, it's a 3700 lb Lincoln, you'd think it would handle like a 928.
I bet it rolls and stops better than your crappy modern import lol
Hell, the door's paint doesn't even match!
junk the fuel injection and add a 4 barrel and a T5 transmission then you get a bigger mustang that rides smoother
+derzx 479: You'd then have to deal with startability and driveability problems associated with carburetion.
As much as I like this Lincoln, there’s nothing euro in it.
Sealed Beams are so ancient these days.
I swapped out my sealed beams for a lHella upgrade that uses a glass housing and an H4/H5 style bulb on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee. They are much nicer than the old sealed units.
Not just that they were a pain to change.
But they were really cheap to replace.
***** Doug, I don´t disagree with you but in my situation, I replaced my old, sealed beams on my 2001 Cherokee Sport with an aftermarket Hella brand set-up that gave me two new glass lenses and replaceable bulbs for around $60. While a sealed, old school replacement headlight only costs $15 to replace, a Hella replacement bulb for my new lighting set is only $8 per bulb on Amazon. The increase in light and overall safer driving experience at night is well worth the premium.
+Ianna Matney You can get sealed beam conversion kits now a days with crystal clear lenses and chrome reflectors. Uses a replaceable H4(?) bulb and retains the same glass lens.
there's a 90 model for sale near me for a grand with a little over hundred thousand on it thought about picking it up and take the 5.0 and swap into my Volvo. 😂😂😂
A "quite fast" 0-60 time of 9.7 seconds.
Faster than a K Car! Barely.
My 2019ToYoTa CoRoLlA gOeS fAsTeR. Yeah? You also paid money for a rental car, but no one is saying anything.
Gramma’s old car
We never should have gone away from sealed-beam headlights.
remingtonh thank God we did I would kill myself trying to imagine how ugly our cars would look if we didn't
Nice car, but the fake spare tire hump on the trunk is dumb.
remingtonh A Lincoln tradition.
Washington from GTA Vice City and San Andreas anyone?
That car in the opening looks like crap, as if the door came off a different car or something.
+Dan McCarthy two tone paint job
In those days the car and the doors were painted at different times in 2 different directions.
The EPA and the CAFE were crushing the industry these days,it was almost impossible to build a decent automobile,government intervention is death to business
those headlights look awful. i remember thinking as a kid how modern they looked. probably would have looked much nicer if they were glass
+Terrence Gold: They were glass.
I’m not a big fan of the styling of the Mark VII. I liked the styling that came after it on the Mark VIII. To me, the VII looked too much like the other Ford/Mercury cars that shared the same platform. It looks like a “matured” Mustang of the same era, and I can’t stand how the car’s body looks like it’s “lifted” from the wheels.
That car is hideous
Composite headlights suck ass!!!
Why were cars from the '80's so ugly? It's as if people had forgotten how to design something that looks nice.
I was born in 1993. And pretty much all cars that were made after the early 1970's are ugly.
+Ethan Davenport: I think the Nissan Juke and Honda Crosstour are uglier than most anything from the 80's. The Toyota Prius looks as if it was inspired by the 1980 Chevy Citation. These modern Crossover SUV's from Asia seem to have hideous front ends that make the 59 Edsel look good.
Trans ama Camaros were cool