Tech Bros' Plan to Monetize Sunlight
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I'm actually surprised flooding wasn't even mentioned as a potential issue
+thepleaguedoctor3381 Not to forget literal Earthquakes
Or groundwater. Isn't Mexico City build on a sand filled in lake?
--Well, it is Mexico, so probably not much that of a risk---
Nvm, just realised the capital itself was built on a lake
If you are poor and live so far down you can't get out, that is a *you* problem, not a Tech Bro problem. (You just know that will be their attitude.)
@ just as the warhammer hive cities intended. Full on Caste system
An earthscraper… a big hole in the ground… in Mexico City… a city infamously known for being built on a lakebed and having abysmal water drainage… yeah, congrats, you’ve just dug yourself a new lake.
Waterproofing is basic.
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Fyi, I'm not an engineer, but ask yourself who else on this thread also isn't?
Answer; it doesn't matter! 😂😂
“Imma geeembius” I bubble as the current washes me away
@@dalemsilas8425 you cannot waterproof something that big. Materials move and settle over the years, and waterproofing wouldn't hold. There would always be water seeping in.
@milanmaletic3997 there are military bunkers bigger than that concept, buried 200+ft underground as we speak.
Earth scrappers are no big deal. It may shock you that skyscrapers are actually 1000 times harder to build.
and... earthquakes, lots of them
Man the idea is so bad, Adam didn't even bother mentioning that like half of that bunker is a pillar of air in the center, where nobody can go, thus wasting like half the footprint of the structure that was meant to solve a lack of space.
The concept is so breathtakingly stupid, I didn't even think about it!🤣
lol good point, let's escavate a half a million m3 of shit, move it away for... nothing :D
Consider the heat and pressure differentials within that air column too
Ot it will get filled with water /ground water
Of course, you could just make columns going straight into the ground.
Reinventing the Hive Planet from Warhammer 40k. That was NOT something to aspire to, Techbros.
Techbros are the precursor to the mechanicus
A hive city is most often above ground, they're man-made mountains. Not even the people of 40k are stupid enough to attempt this.
Hives are more practical
@@squidcultist0022Mechanicus actually get stuff done (with the limitations of no AI) and care more about efficiency and effectiveness (at the cost of humanity)
@@AnakinFury "wdym your air friers not working, did you yell at the machine spirit again?"
An earthscraper sounds like a weapon aliens would use to strip mine the planet
Honestly, sounds like a "shovel" to me 😅
General Zord-ass sounding name
In practice it looks like a Minecraft build little Billy liked so much he decided it had to be real not realizing that Minecraft isn’t real life
Like the counterpart to the Sun Harvester from Transformers
human mines already look like that , no need for aliens.
Tech bros don’t understand that dystopian sci-fi is NOT a serving suggestion.
"More energy efficient." Or you know.... they can just use freaking EARTH HEATING / COOLING PUMPS. 🤦🏻♂️😂
You got there before I did. But, yeah, these guys think cyberpunk isn't a cautionary tale but a good idea.
@@kitbradley2689maybe they just like the aesthetic
We've decided to build the Torture Nexus from hit sci-fi novel Do Not Build The Torture Nexus
well, the frutiger aero aesthetic those inventions use is more associated with souless utopia
The earthscraper design looks suspiciously like an illustration to Dante's Hell.
HOLY SHIT YOU ARE RIGHT!
Tech Bro's invented Dante's Hell... amazing :D
NGL i wouldnt mind living in the apartment at the bottom of the earthscraper.
It's worse, because only people that deserve it are in Dante's hell.
@@rot_studios Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the newest in technological innovation, the Torment Nexus.
Calling bunkers 'earthscrapers' is like how that one EA executive called loot boxes "surprise mechanics" during a hearing in the UK parliament.
Because lets face it: earthscrapers are literally fcking enormous bunkers😂
It's the TV series "Silo" turned into reality.
So let me get this straight.
It has all the drawbacks of a skyscraper (reliance on elevators, difficulty getting around, expensive to build.
PLUS all the disadvantages of BEING A GIANT HOLE IN THE GROUND. Truly a marvel of engineering
BUT it's a way to circumvent regulations (here: building height). That's worth it.
@@kyx5631 no it isn’t lol. Sorry we can’t meet the demand for housing in the historical city center. And if the regulations are truly stupid like the Mormons in Utah have done, then change the regulations.
It doesn’t have ALL the disadvantages of the skyscraper. For instance ground scrapers don’t require window washers. Also ground scrapers don’t have to worry about harsh winds.
@@robcubed9557 it would still need window washers, the designs have TONS of glass, thats not going to be an individual's job to keep clean. the wind wouldnt be a problem, but the constant need for maintaince on the hvac systems to make sure the people on the lower levels dont die of carbon dioxide poisoning would be a problem.
Not necessarily an earthscraper design, but underground infrastructure makes sense from a military perspective. More secure, harder to recon, etc. But those aren't necessarily earthscrapers per se, just a vast underground complex. I guess, sufficie to say, a structure like this could have a niche... but not as residential high density housing.
This 'earthscraper' is exactly what a first year engineering student would design for their Engineering Basics class, then realize this was stupid and laugh at themselves in second semester.
This can't be built. Seriously.
It won’t be. This guy lacks Musks 2010s popularity and even if he has billionaire backers to detract from fixing an issue , govt won’t have any incentive to entertain his stupidity.
why, if you have time to dumb it down, i'm curious.
On the flip side though, this could be workable where there currently is no city and someone wants one to exist, but harsh surface conditions prevent it, such as in a desert, on the equator, away from fault lines, where the lack of sun would be an advantage. Even then building deep wouldn't hold an advantage unless you need to store something in the center since space wouldn't be at a premium in the conditions I just outlined.
I could see this working if we ever go to another planet, but built more wide than deep, at that point it would almost be easier to find a valley unless the depth was shielding you from surface winds.
@@thewick-j1837 It's not possible to dig a hole that big straight down without the walls caving in. To get that deep they would need to excavate a massive area (that already has houses on it). The pressures on the sides of the building would also be huge. It's not *impossible* but would require an astronomical amount of work and money. The fact that they chose the shape they did implies they didn't think through the physics at all: for digging and supporting a hole like that, it's much more efficient to have a flat bottom to minimize the wall surface area. Instead, they maximized wall surface area by having it go into a tiny point.
A first year engineering student? That's something a fourth-grader could draw. And probably in more thoroughly thought out, too.
There's also the fact of how much energy would be needed to run that death trap.
1. Fans to pump and circulate fresh air so the people at the bottom don't suffocate from CO2 buildup.
2. Water pumps to eliminate water buildup from rain or seeping in, since a lot of the structure would be below the waterline.
3. Pumps for sewage to pump all of it against gravity, on top of a more complex plumbing system to keep sewage from backing up... or down...
4. Constant and heavy use of elevators for people and materials.
@@SpaceCoffee700What are you even saying?
Not to mention that pumping water up is easy, because it is homegenous incompressible liquid, so pumps are always loaded and not worn down by random cavitation. Now imagine pumping waste that has solids in it, which would ruin your small and efficient water pump. Sewage lift station are actually quite big and complicated setups and still prone to clogging anyways.
And I doubt you want to have your weekly shit cleaning service in your apartment block.
Mexico City is 2000 meters above seal level. So I figure water managment should be easier than expected.
Also wheelchair accessibility would be an absolute nightmare that alone kills this project almost immediately
@@ymck7246It is also built in what used to be a literal lake and wetlands, so the drainage actually is a fairly serious problem that gets even more difficult the lower you dig.
This experiment has essentially been done. This was the Kowloon walled city; an unregulated slum that was a main source of inspiration to many dystopian sci-fi. It wasn't underground, but it was the densest human habitation ever made; with so many layers of narrow streets, signs and balconies that no natural light reached the inside of the slum; only artificial light.
Light is not the main problem. It's not even a top 10 problem.
Drowning and asphyxiation are the biggest problems.
Even when it was eventually destroyed in 1993, I do think there's still many places that got densely packed in Hong Kong
@soylentgreenb This is nothing like kowloon walled city, that had thousands of low income, interconnected, poor residents and high poverty, the area being effectively kept small by British/Chinese mandate. This would have expensive apartments due to being in the city center. As for light, you don't need it, you have high lumen LED lights. You don't complain when inside a well lit, aesthetic office. You go home to sleep and relax inside, not to work and sit in the sun. If they want to sit in the sun, there are tons of restaurants around them because this is a city centre, and it's a short elevator ride and walk to any of them. As long as the clientele are rich, this is a viable building.
@@OriginalOmgCow It is like Kowloon in many ways whether they intend for it to be or not. These will be full of undesirable apartments that only low income residents will want. No natural light, multiple elevator rides (or weirdly slanted elevator rides) to get out. Attrocious fire safety. LED lights are not a replacement for natural light; UV And infrared matter.
"You don't complain when inside a well lit, aesthetic office." - I find that *most* people complain about the office environment, while in a well lit "aesthetic" office. Especially if they are in a cubicle landscape with only bright LEDs.
"You go home to sleep and relax inside[...]" - A home is not just a place to store your body when you are not working. Access to nature and sunlight is important. Demand for inner city appartments is driven by closeness to high paying jobs, not an actual desire to live there. People don't pay thousands of dollars for a shoebox sized appartment in San fransisco because they really like the local cousine; they were forced to do that to avoid an even more dysmal 2 hour commute to some place actually nice; that's 4 hours of unpaid labour sitting just going to and from work. The need for this is vaning. Dense megacities are just not a great idea, and the need for them doesn't exist. Most factories that actually make something don't benefit from being in a city either; it's too expensive and most of the workers can be found in any small town. So it is mostly office and retail (which is there, because that's where the people are). Many of these megacities will continue to slumify like detroit when offices close up and more and more tennant space becomes vacant. That will drive people to move out and the very first place people will want to move out of is whatever dante-esque 9th circle of hell the lower levels of this building will look like. The first cost cutting response is to not do upkeep when you lack enough tenants to bear the cost, so these "earth scrapers" will just decay, especially the lower levels. Then even more people move out and the ratchet turns another notch.
4:27 There needs to be a platform with food that goes down level by level to feed the prisoners, I mean residents
I saw that movie and the sequel too.
and there will always be enough food for everyone theoretically, but not actually
This is 100% THE platform
@ Actually too, but only if you do a communism.
DAT movie! I was precisely thinking about it when i saw this video title 💀
Forgive me but I'd prefer not to have the people's who's motto is somehow "Move fast and Break things" designing buildings
I thought that guy went down with his sub. 🤔
Whose*
I think their wishful thinking in this case is to break the ground and move dirt fast. But we know that this will not work out.
@@JB-yb4wn oh there are more tech billionaires who sadly haven't built a sub for themselves yet
@
Well we can always hope for a rocket ship, speed boat, hang glider, squirrel suit. There are so many ways to move fast and break things. 😆
The Mexico City earthscraper project in particular has another, glaring, sore problem: there are laws to protect historical and archeological herritage, and the main square of the city's underground is full of artifacts and ruins because the city sits in the former Mexica capital Tenochtitlan. If you can't build a metro line in that area, they're nuts if they think they can build this monstruosity.
Pretty sure techbros would see that as a benefit to building there and try even harder to force the issue.
Let's also not forget that Mexico City was built on top of a lake, so water pumps would have to be running 24/7 just to keep this place from turning into a reservoir.
Also, the ground of the city isn't exactly stable or solid. Excavating such a huge amount of is kind of a bad idea
@@VillainousHanacha It would also need to have air pumps working 24/7 if you dont want the whole building to fill with natural radon making everyone die of cancer by the end of the year.
Another problem is the underground water recevoir, and the fact the soil is not stable
Mexico City already is sinking, some parts sink 30m a year
Long ago, the four scrapers lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the firescrapers attacked
There are no tech bros in ba sing se
It took like, 9 minutes of saying "Why BetterHelp, Adam?!" to Adam to remove the sponsored segment.
Atleast he learned from his mistake and won't make it again. Can we apreciate him for doing this?
More people need to learn accountability
Be like Adam
to be honest him not knowing about it by now is ridiculous
@atoucangirlTH-cam creators are not always necessarily TH-cam viewers.
@atoucangirl Well maybe he doesn't spend his whole day on TH-cam.
Then again he possibly vaguely knew and well it's january, sponsorship opportunities are hard to come by, and just expected his audience to let it slide because nobody really trusts ads and a tuber has to eat.
So that’s why the view went “private” immediately after I watched it.
In Coruscant from Star Wars, the city was build up so high with hundreds of levels that it was impossible to tell which was "ground". The majority of people live in darkness with all the stink and actual toxic waste gathering around them. That is the future tech bros are selling us.
were going to be a 40k hive world
And somehow people find such dystopian cyberpunk nightmares as the way of the future and humanity, there seems to be an epidemic of masochists it seems. 😭
@polygonalfortress"people"? Who is people?
I don't get anyone who watches Syril Karn barely catch sunlight from his tiny underground apartment window before being berated by his narcissistic mother and thinks "Ah yes. People want THAT life!" And that's just what the Star Wars "middle class" looks like.
@@turnipsociety706 You want him to be specific on a statement meant to be purposefully vague because you can't rightly point to any one group? You didn't think about this, did you?
He didn't say: "Those people" or "The people" or anything like it. Just referred to how some people view the future. It's not an inaccurate statement: It's a statement that would take a census to specify.
Stop it.
This design has been foolproof ever since 1320! Dante's Inferno was really ahead of its time with its proposal of a nine-story earthscraper. Inspiring stuff!
They should just go with the flow and name each floor for a level of hell, since that's what they're building haha
@@mrvwbug4423 This might not be so bad of an idea if I get to say I live within Heresy, that sounds pretty cool
🤣👍🏻 corporate needs to be at the lowest level.
Tell me you're creating Valut-Tec without telling me you're creating Vault-Tec
Bro, at least Vault-Tec can protect you from nukes. I don't see how this can do any of that.
In Montreal we have the whole so-called Underground City where a lot of retail space and services are built and interconnected underground. It gets overhyped esp by tourists but it’s a genuinely useful thing to be able to walk from metro station to mall to the next mall over to the events centre in heated hallways. But my god there’s a reason we don’t put housing down there
Yeah it's a common thing in cold cities but it's usually a couple of basements not a whole skyscraper upside down
Sounds like a solid compromise, then. I could certainly get a kick out of the novelty of an underground mall myself.
having experienced Montreal winters, those underground areas are sooooo nice when its a biting cold outside
That's because are no different from Metro underpasses and not being some techbro bs.
See, that is a sensible use of an underground space. You have a high-traffic area that's protected from the elements as a connection between existing structures of importance.
And it's valuable commercial space through the heavy traffic. So you don't get issues like slummification through neglect of an undesirable area.
Oh boy, I cant wait for techbros to look at a 40k Hive City and make a shiny, chrome Blender model of it
Please don't insult blender like that.
Tech bros would pay for a software just to feel that much more valid in their crazy vision of the future.
As if they weren't probably already on that
Adam Something, please debunk this stup*d documentary, it is being too much! 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
Sir dont insult Blender like that this thing isn't Autodesk Subscription model
@@IgnobleKin yeah, they'd use maya
dont ask me how they'd get the money
Basement flats are depressing already, I can't imagine what kind of crisis you would have living in a level 30 basement flat proabably called "pod" to pretend it's new and cool
Not flat, s single 10 square meter room.
"from the 'I'm not eating the bug, and I'm not leaving in the pod' comes the revolutionary: pod
Might or might not include bug"
"Get back in your pod! Curfew is in effect!" Yelled the AI police robot, as it's zapper stick crackled menacingly.
Actually have lived in several "basement flats' and found them to be snug but comfortable. The key of course is building them 'right' with proper attention to sunlight and air circulation. Now, do I trust any of these "tech-bro" companies to get them right? Not at all
They need to implement thé need for living in underground bunkers😂 , Fallout vibes i am getting already
I already have a miserable living situation where there is nowhere in my house for me to sleep or be alone other than a dusty basement where zero sunlight gets into. I have been depressed ever since I finished college because I feel mentally unable to wake up at a time before noon, nor do anything productive or fun when I do wake. I've been debating on getting a therapy lightbox/lamp, since even if it doesn't work that well, maybe it can get me up at a time where I can go for a walk in real sunlight.
The idea of an entire neighborhood where everyone has to live like me and sunlight isn't even an option without tax is a war crime.
I know exactly what you're going through bro, you'll get through this. At least get through it so I don't have to.
If you need a distraction from your living situation, I would recommend picking your favorite aesthetic, and try to recreate it with tabletop miniatures, like the kind they use in Warhammer. If you have excess money, you could also get into Warhammer.
Also go to the ER if you're depressed day-to-day. It's worth it, trust me.
humanity: we need housing
governments: we gave the money to the tech bros for it
tech bros: best we can do is a prison pit
Unfortunately, I'm not surprised by that thought process. The even more unfortunate thing is that plenty of regular folks will be cheering when they tell us those plans. The election proved to me how a significant number of people have developed some kind of stockholm syndrome with how they worship and defend people who make existing hard for those of us who don't have as much money and authority
Love how you placed humanity, govt and the tech bros into three separate groups :D
@@justalittlesanethe human psyche demands gods and heroes, and will hallucinate them when necessary.
A shocking amount of ancient greek religion was "we made a shrine for this famous rich guy, he's a heroic demigod now"
@@LiborTinka Well you see, government should be afraid of (and thus obedient to) its people, and tech bros should be terrified (with good reason, because tech bros are horrible to people) of the government.
"Best I can do is Impel Down"
Being able to quickly take accountability for mistakes and having an audience that’s willing to criticize you when you mess up is why I have so much respect for this channel
THATS WHY HIS THE GOAT!!!
What happened?
@@dushevon he promoted betterhelp
@@dushevon He had a BetterHelp sponsorship on the video, took it down and removed it after the backlash. Check the pinned comment
Let's see if he took down that social media video where his proposal for getting rid of bots and evildoers involved meticulous ID verification, using your real name picture and even God damn address. Essentially making it not much different from a CCP controlled website if the wrong government took control, where all political rivals or dissidents are handed to what is essentially a silver platter.
Nope that video is still up and that part is uncut.
EU regulators and legal experts obsess over online privacy and if they saw Adam's suggestion I bet they'd cry. This is the equivalent of putting a video camera in each room of your house so you can be always monitored.
Adam sometimes makes videos like this, where he gets stuff horribly wrong or the ideas are often just as stupid as the tech bros he criticizes (train tracks do in fact need to be repaired more frequently than once in ten years). I'd say one in ten are like this. What's particularily ironic about that social media video is that his sponsor was an app that WIPES YOUR ONLINE DATA AND FOOTPRINT. Hahahahha so his suggestion to save social media from right wing authoritarians by monitoring your online data at all time is preceded by a sponsor for wiping your online data.
It's not just the threat of giftwrapping a spy service to a potentially corrupt government, it's also making vulnerable people easier targets. Trans people for instance would either have to use their deadnames or reveal their new name and picture of new look to potential transphobes (including their families who kick their own kids out) and be threatened.
I also take issue that essentially a good amount of his content is copy pasting what other youtubers already say, but maybe this one isn't as bad as it is for a good cause.
Someone watched arcane, looked at piltover, and thought "now that is an ideal city"
It made me think of the Silo books actually.
At this point, I wouldn’t be suprised if some Silicon Valley tech-bro created a planned community based on the communities featured in The Giver.
It's both baffling and unsurprising how techbros consistently look at some of the most dystopian nightmates fiction could possibly conjure up and use that as an instruction manual. Techbros are craven ghouls and a blight on humanity as a whole.
@@felixdaniels37 I think the problem is that artists tend to depict dystopian novels with dark themes, makes them look evil and grimey. Then when some guy makes the same thing on Blender but makes it well lit, futuristic and hospital-clean, their toddler brains immediately assume it must be good.
@@ggwp638BC nah they just like how dystopian they are and want to be at the top of them. they're not fools
In the Grimdark Present of 2025.
The nightmares of fiction we write become real.
Tech visionaries in the 50s: We’re all going to live in flying palaces and robots will do all the work, it’s going to be paradise!
Tech visionaries today: Most of you will live in a hole in the ground and pay extra for sunlight. And you will like it!
They aren't visionaries, they're just vomiting up warmed over stuff from the 50s. The same way Arcology has been coopted to mean big building . . . rather than its original intent. Though I blame Solari for that thanks to his self promotion.
Everytime I see these ideas I hear a voice in my head
"would you kindly"
You will own nothing and be happy.
Where's Mario's brother when you need him?
The first problem I thought about was water. That sumbitch is going to collect all the rain, all the snow, flood water, ground water seepage, not to mention sewage, which will have to be pumped out constantly. Even above-ground retaining walls are designed to let water pass through or around them to avoid compromising the structure... which if it were to happen to any part of the misery pit, the lowest levels would become actual tombs immediately.
Not only you'll need to pump water constantly, but air as well, least the ones at the bottom get only CO2
Yep! ...Ummmm, where does the poop go?
Yeah a 40 story earthscraper is going to be deep into the water table in most areas. So you have to address constant water seeping in, and then at the same time toxic chemicals in the structure and wastewater contaminating that same aquifer.
Put a reservoir beneath it.
@@mrvwbug4423 Water can't magically teleport. Just put steel or something around it so the groundwater can't get in
CO2 will sink to the bottom. Or more like: stay there. You breathe, you produce it. So, an air transportation system has to fan it out. The day that system fails, the dug hole becomes a suffocating death trap.
Oh, are you saying it can be marketed as a carbon capture and sequestration system as well? awesome :D
It certainly can be marketed as prison.
Then pay if you don't want to die from carbon or flooding or whatever :D
@ Only thing missing is AI controlling the building, that in order to prevent outbreak of some disease can activate lockdown of areas.
The guys who make and sell canned Oxygen would make millions more.
Don't forget that the center of mexico city has a whole bunch of Aztec artifacts buried under it, so digging a giant hole would almost certainly damage SOMETHING
AKA "how to get killed by an angry jaguar god 101"
Fire on the lower floors? Uhhh, what about fire on the upper floors? The second it gets in any way going, the thermal conventions would lead to an absolutely insane firestorm...and the only way out was THROUGH THE FIRE.
I dont see how thats different from a skyscraper, you have gone from shelter in place or gravity express to the ground floor to shelter in place.
@RobinTaters ...because you're not thinking about the air currents that would predominate after the fire reaches flashover. The closed in nature would lead to air currents which would allow the fire to spread down QUICKLY. If the fire gets out of control, you'd have ignition-temperature air being sucked down into the structure along with smoke...both of which could quickly fill the entire interior space if not closed off...and you can't use the same method skyscrapers use, having a butt ton of water on the top of the building, to quickly quelch a fire, as you could drown lower floors.
Other than using the underground setting to assist HVAC, everything about this idea is worse than a skyscraper.
@@RobinTaters Skyscrapers are not air-tight sealed on 5 of the 6 sides
I think that the carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, flooding the lower floors from an upper floor fire might be more of a problem. People don’t move very well without oxygen.
@@RobinTaters thanks to gravity you can get down a skyscraper using a ladder or jumping, firefighters can't jump into the flame pit to pull you out neither can they send a helicopter rope because the only exit is blocked by a Fire. Plus lowest point on a fire is the hottest, so any fire anywhere would turn the place into dantes inferno
Guys, hear me out. What if we built really small earth scrapers around the city and connected them together with tunnels, through which interconnected pods but definitely not trains would travel. We could call it like an underway system or something like that. It’d be revolutionary!
revolutionary!
It's so revolutionary
That it can cause an actual revolution to take place
Fun fact that nearly all medieval cities had underground tunnels that were used on a daily basis. There were basement storages, hideouts, tunnels to your neighbours' basement etc. That's not very far from your concept.
So yeah, indeed revolutionary... but we easily forget that people in the past knew a little better how to "live"
You are a person of vision!
Here's the medal: 🏅
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At least Vault Tech was actually structurally sound and could withstand disaster.
@@bthsr7113 Or so they claimed
@@bthsr7113but... You had a 99% chance to get into an awful experiment in your vault, unless you're the main character of course.
@ Oh I'm aware, but that door will keep raiders, fallout, and all many of danger out. Sure, it's arguably more there to keep people in, but even a pack of deathclaws would need a LONG time to break in/out.
Besides, this inverted skyscraper is already set up to be a horrible social experiment endangering large numbers of people for the benefit of a tiny elite class.
@@GP22855 But hey, at least most of them still work after over 200 years, and those that didn't were mostly due of outside interference, experiments and lack of maintenance (caused by the experiments).
Im so glad I discovered your channel. NotJustBikes too. I look at the city I live in or ones I travel to and through from a different lens now. Seeing ways in which things could be improved for a more affordable, comfortable, and sustainable infrastructure in the future. And not only do you point out the issues with these wacky proposals, but you give clear, concise, and detailed suggested solutions. Realistically achievable ones if greed weren’t such a driving force for decision makers. Great work
Massive respect to you for getting rid of the sponsor and taking accountability.
what sponser was he using? honey? established title?
@@skyfeelan better help
@@PringleAdMaker based Adam
@@skyfeelan Oh boy, haven't heard about that one in a while.
@@PringleAdMakerwhat’s wrong with it?
That's old news. Paris built such a monstrosity at it's center in the 1970s and called it _Le Forum des Halles_ it was badicaly an underground shopping center shared as an inverted pyramid to let some sunshine reach the. Otom of the pit. It was a disaster on so many levels it's hard to find the real reason why it failed. Water was pouring through the ceilings, normal people didn't like to shop underground and those who liked to go underground where often dealing unauthorized substances. Also the 'forum' attracted homeless people as it was freely accessible and provided a microclimate due to the greenhouse effect. It was reshaped several times costing a huge amount of tax payers money
History repeats, I guess.
It's interesting cuz, large swathes of underground shopping lanes actualy work very well in Japan and Korea and are quite busy
ooo i wanna go to the french crackpit
@@veganlasagna325 yes, two countries incredibly familiar with both flooding and earthquakes built shopping *lanes*, not a multi storied strip mined pit of a skyscraper
Of note is that the shopping mall itself wasn't where drug dealers were present, but the very much above-ground park/public garden (you're essentially saying that drug dealers like to hang out in parks). The biggest reason that people didn't like it is that it replaced a market that had become rather iconic up to that point with something that is "a maze of concrete, glass, and steel" i.e. a confusing eyesore. You're also, perhaps, being a bit dystopic about it. It in no way has ever been particularly dim or shady in a way that an above-ground shopping center isn't. The walls of the thing around the commons at the bottom were glass, and it wasn't a deeply pitched hole, more of an extremely wide terrace structure. It's also there as a side-market to the underground metro station. For those present, look up pictures of it, it really wasn't all that bad, just a somewhat garish open concept modernist center with a healthy interspersing of greenery. In the form it exists nowadays it has a canopy over the top of the "pit" so it's even more enclosed than it used to be.
2:40 Small irrelevant correction, Mexico city (and all locations between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn) DO get 90° sun directly overhead at one certain day of the year. In the US it's known as "Lahaina noon" because Hawaii is the only place under the tropic of cancer in the us. Still this doesn't make up for the other 364 days where this doesn't happen
Small correction to the small correction: except on the Tropic lines themselves, this happens twice a year, not just once. (In Lahaina for example, it occurs on May 24 and July 18 this year. In Mexico City, it occurs on May 17 and July 25. On the Equator, it occurs on the equinoxes: March 20 and September 22 UTC.)
@@tobybartels8426 dang this nerd stuff makes my brain tingle, love the dedication to accurate information
It is fair to point out that its variation isn't as particularly extreme as it would be elsewhere. This is, perhaps, the weakest contention with it, though.
@@tobybartels8426 lovely, now my dystopian undeground cubicle will have sunlight twice a year, masters might even shorter work day to 9 hours so we can see 15 minutes of sunlight on the way from work!
two days of sun per year. Amazing.
And you know, CO2 has this interesting property of being heavier than oxygen as well...
So... they saw Coruscant from star wars and thought, "Yeah, throw all the poors there. That'll work!"
I want to know how many people died when Anakin and Obi-Wan's rescue of Palpatine dropped "half a ship" on them.
If we get flying cars and space ships...
Yet the primary thesis of urbanism is "car-centric suburban lifestyles are wasteful, unsustainable, and immoral," so isn't Coruscant the urbanist ideal? Insanely high population density, no space wasted on parking lots, sprawling suburbs, or single-family homes with lawns, and maximized property tax revenue per unit area.
The tech bros clearly havent seen Dredd
@@Zalis116 Yet coruscant is a literal hellhole for anyone who isn's a jedi or part of the higher society
0:30 there used to be a Ukrainian sketch show called Kraina U. One of sets of characters was a corrupt city official and one of the bits was literally horizontal skyscraper.
Reality continues to descend into a parody of itself.
Isnt that just The Line?
My university had a "sideways skyscraper" type building. The interior core was a very long, very tall hallway with restaurants, other businesses and seating areas. The parts of the building that faced outside were all dorm rooms
@@tuuudes3449Literally a shopping mall.
Like the opposite of Wayside School?
Funny story: I've been working on a writing project for the past few years. One of the early drafts involved a structure like this as an intentionally unrealistic satire of inequality. It was based on Divine Comedy; you know, a classic depiction of Hell? *Literal Hell?* Which is now being proposed with a straight face *in real life?* The jokes write themselves.
I'd like to see what torments Dante would conceive for tech bros. He went pretty hard on the non-fictional people of his own era but they look like light offenders compared to this.
@@Elcore Oh my god, I'd pay so much money to see that
@@Elcore I'd suggest something like that contraption from Clockwork Orange that forces you to watch a TV with an endless stream of tech bullshit presentations and interviews with "visionaries"
@ Not bad. I asked ChatGPT for its opinion on the subject. It actually did quite well, apart from the ending being very cringe and un-Dante-ish:
The Ninth Circle of Silicon
Midway upon the venture of my days,
I strayed into a vale of endless code,
where broken startups wept in endless haze.
There, past the gates where VCs’ echoes groaned,
I saw the torment of the Tech Bro damned,
whose hubris led them to this pit alone.
The Vestibule of the Hustlers
First stood the ghosts of restless grindset souls,
who boasted "sleep is dead" yet longed for rest,
forever chasing funds that never closed,
their emails lost, replies left unexpressed.
The Chasm of the Pivoted
Beyond them loomed a valley deep with cries,
where failed disruptors clawed the crumbling sand.
Each built a dream to “change the world,” yet lies
had turned to ash beneath their trembling hands.
Their apps once promised grand utopic sights,
but here they launch and crash a thousand nights.
The Ring of the Thought Leaders
Then came the cursed who tweet but do not think,
who once foretold the wisdom of Web3.
Their LinkedIn posts and threads now rot in sync,
retweets from ghosts, engagement but debris.
Forever must they type their empty screeds,
while bots and trolls inflate their phantom feeds.
The Frozen Pit of the Visionaries
At last, the deepest hell of all we found,
where Tech Bros turned to Titans once did dwell.
Encased in ice, their tongues no more expound
on "meritocracies" they swore worked well.
Their metaverse, a dream now left to freeze,
their crypto hoards but dust upon the breeze.
There in the dark sat he, the king of sins-
a titan clad in hoodies, pale and lean.
His hands still clutched a deck of pitch and spins,
his lips still mouthed, "just build it, fail, repeat."
And knowing this, I fled that frozen tomb,
past ruined brands and startups left to doom.
I surfaced gasping, vowing ne’er to be
another fool who cried, "just wait and see."
@@ElcoreTech bros being strung up in a constantly moving metro, eyes force open to stare at the false sun yet unable to go blind and escape agony.
Eventually the metro flip itself, forcing techbros grinding on the gravel and sewage water, then the cycle repeat each transit loop.
Once in a while the techbros will attempt to break free, only to found out the metro tunnel has no side platform and they can either run until the exhaustion tooks them and be grind upon by moving metro.
Also inside the metro is where techbro are resurrected in agony to be torment once more.
Building down isn't a bad idea. Anyone with a basement knows they're usually the warmest part of the house in winter, and the coolest part in the summer. But digging a giant pit below the water line and filling it up with people is incomprehensibly stupid.
Tech Bros: Try not to create a dystopia challenge (impossible)
Not so dystopian to the ones that will be doing the oppression
Why not just build bunker then?
@@ceu160193 Young and moneyless
@@lukitasdeveras never is
Btw (my parents were born in mexico, ive been to El Zocalo, the main square) that used to be where the aztec main temple was .... that whole area is archaeologically rich, with ongoing digs. So, add to that the fight over priceless artifacts, to the logistical problems
Groundwater seeping through the walls?
Exeptionally high rainfall?
Expresselevator only for premium customers?
Hm.. what about workshops/industry and offices on the lowest levels?
Live in your corporate apoartment tied to your employment?
Fresh air subscription, instead of recycled air?
Oh.. so many interesting things.
Hi Adam, from Australia here, we do have an underground TOWN, (not a city TOWN) but the difference between us and the idiots is one place lives underground because it was around 50 Celsius and we had a opal mine, so we put it together and bam, meanwhile the tech bros think it’s cool.
Cooper Pedy also does not dig down so it's not deep. Everyone lives in basement.
I do find it funny how the place they decided to propose the thing on Mexico City, and place infamous for being built in a literal lake.
The hole is gonna be flooded all the time.
Not only that, Mexico City is very active when it comes to earthquakes, so there's also the risk of a HUGE mess if the structure fails💀
I believe Mexico City is also sinking because of the being built on a lake and that the aquifers are constantly draining despite a ban on water drilling.
Oh right, I forgot that. Nothing is better to live at than the deepest point by far in a former lake that is prone to earthquakes.
@@stingchameleon2407 I can't remember if it was the case with this proposal, but a lot of these buried tower concepts are premised on the assumption that they would hold up better in earth quakes
The curse of Tenochtitlan!
You forgot to mention that the whole thing is like an upside-down candle. If the fire is below , the "food" for the fire is up top, just readily available for consumption.
Man, the 1974 "The Towering Inferno" is nothing compared to this!
It's really not a problems with a correctly designed fire suppression system. Even sun light is not a problem with a properly designed fiber optic system. However sewage, water and transportation are a huge problem and can have design flaws without a robust electrical system.
@@TheBaldrconsidering the rest of this project, a functioning fire suppression system might be a bit of an ask
@@TheBaldrall of which are tech solutions to what are problems better solved by more community oriented approaches. For example, Melbourne Australia has the 20 minute city as its design and infrastructure. Nobody should eve need to live more than 20 minutes from all their needs so, while the city is a sprawl, a problem in Australia, it's also very decentralised for services. People here identify more by neighbourhood than the greater city. In fact, as ine who has only lived here 15.5 years, I find I can often find my way around a larger number of suburbs the most locally born people because I explored outside my locality like a tourist. Most people grow up and grow old within their 20 minute or so corner of the city. Except maybe tradies, who will drive for miles if the building work pays well.
Technically, you have the same problem with skyscrapers. Wasn't there a fire tragedy in the UK a few years ago because all the upper floors caught fire too quickly to save people?
Carbon dioxide goes down 🎉
Fun fact: The building in London was not Google's first "groundscraper". Its design was based on the success of its NYC headquarters at 111 8th Avenue, which is currently the 4th largest building in NYC by square footage. The building was originally constructed as a 15-story warehouse, with four massive elevators large enough to bring trucks up to loading docks on each floor. Because of the building's origin as a warehouse, it had problems with getting sunlight inside. One solution Google came up with was a massive, multi-million dollar "sunlight cannon" that would track the sun in the sky and pipe the sunlight down to lower floors via fiber-optic cable. The cannon broke almost immediately and was not fixed for about seven years.
Mirrors would have been cheaper wtf
The monetisation of every single necessity for human beings is beyond disgusting.
That's just what Capitalism do. It's not even an act of conscious evil. Anymore than a vat of acid is evil. IIRC it's been called Capitalist Hyper Reality - The Market (and incidentally the government) can only see the world in outlines of money. So if something isn't monetized, from the perspective of the market, it doesn't exist.
Welcome to civilisation my friend!
9:24 Also: Houses should be treated as shelters for families instead of investments for companies to buy by the hundreds and inflate the price/sit on them indefinitely
This is basically the same idea I came up with when brainstorming what a city built by and for vampires would be like for a fantasy novel.
Vampirism might just be the only thing that makes this crud makes sense. Otherwise I'd rather freeze in Alaska than get shoved into one of these.
It's probably a fine urban design for vampires. Not for humans, though.
@@nomobobby What if you are scientist working for shady corporation? You would work in one of those, possibly making zombie viruses and growing monsters in vats.
I though about using this for 'modern dwarves' in an urban fantasy setting. At least for Dwarves it makes a degree of sense, since they LIKE living underground.
There is a reason why most buildings even inside densely populated cities rarely have more than 1-2 underground levels.
The one exception: Skyscrapers.
9:09 but.. but… if we do that. Then how will landlords and billionaires in other countries be able to charge exorbitant rent prices! Won’t somebody think of the rich?!
A video game called Project Eden explored the theme of people living in various layers. The people on the bottom never got any sunlight but they did get all the trash from the people at the top.
A very literal metaphor for the class divisions of society. It gets worse the further you are from the pinnacle, as they put it in the Wire; "Shit doesn't roll uphill"
Anyone who is even remotely familiar with construction knows that a meter underground costs more than ten meters above. And that cost increases exponentially the deeper you go. It is hideously expensive to dig even a normal basement, which is why most modern houses don't have them.
Also Mexico city is built on a lake...
Even big cities not built on lakes are usually built in coastal lowlands, where the groundwater isn't that deep underground (and even if in dry climates the proximity to the ocean guarantees that the groundwater will be there anyway). So just like a mine most earth scrapers would need to pump the groundwater away constantly or the lower levels will simply drown.
@@stoferb876 Wrong. Just seal them so the water can't get in LOL
That's why they need to take advantage of all the sinkholes in Mexico city. I mean, your hole is already dug...
Similar with all the 3D printed or ship container houses. What's the fastest and relatively cheap part of building the house? The freaking walls! It's the plumbing and electricity and floors and windows and roof and other stuff that's slow and expensive.
@@stoferb876 Every decade someone new in city council suggests to build metro in Odesa, between catacombs and ground waters.
10:31 having the windows smashed by hail flowed by a flood caused by storm it is even worse.
Especially because Mexico City is prone to flooding.
@@Chokato_ Mexico city is about as dumb of a place for a big underground hole as Venice. it's built on the ruins of the Aztec capital tenochtitlan, a city famous for being built IN A LAKE
@@haeilseyNot in a lake, FROM a lake.
7:15 Boy, wait until you learn that most modern-day buildings ALSO have their most valuable real estate on the top floors due to security and to give a better view. Your mind is gonna be blown, big guy.
Well the only alternative would be to invest into cities where land is more available, and create a network of high speed transit to connect it to the urban core, moving business out of congested areas and into new areas, boosting the local job market and making everyone richer... wait... everyone richer? No, that's not right, only the rich are supposed to get richer! Ok, time to build more buildings in London and Tokyo!
In many parts of Europe, the issue is not really house crisis but availability. Many buildings are not occupied and just kept as a speculative product or as a secondary/tertiary residence by rich people.
Forcing them to sell those barely used buildings would allow more housing and more affordable prices.
@@PainterVierax sounds like communism
@@anondimwit Not at all. Communism would be expropriation and collectivization. Forcing (heavily incentivizing) them to sell to regulate the market is just social-democrat.
@@anondimwit you sound like the same people that say better healthcare for everyone is communism
@@minowilovemypet I'm all for healthcare I'm not for forcing people to sell their land
As a guy who's into technology and trying his best to get to academica in cs these tech bros make my blood boil... Them people just follow the money, exploit Engineers then if their startup succeeds they get rich or else they move on to the next big thing in tech... These people are Just scammers...
Many many tech related fields are scamed to oblivion with pump and dump schemes.
Actually I wonder how much money you can make in consulting just to stop rich boomers investing in worthless shit.
Better offline had a podcast about this recently that basically proposes that Tech Bros have a highly portable skill set compared to their subordinates. That portable skill set consists of the ability to smile and lie confidently.
My advice, is take improv classes and keep abreast of the latest scam. The most dangerous thing to these guys is an engineer who knows what they're talking about, knows their game, and has the wit to shut down the bull shitter before they can get hired.
Let our children live in a land that's low,
Where the holes are deeper than light can go;
Let them not have pride but instead a soul,
That can see the shame of the hands that glow.
Just pitch it to a Saudi Prince, they are in dire need of yet another reason to waste a few more billion. Plus seeing them trying it in middle of the desert sounds like channel content.
Building new town centers. For anyone who has ever played a medieval settlement builder, you intrinsically know to do this. Think about market mechanics in those games. You build one, then build housing around it. When the housing is full, you build another market. Maybe the zones overlap a little, but that's okay. Then, the same thing again. Build houses, amenities, and services around the new market.
Think the manorlords players are onto something....
Then you levy the population as a militia
Yeah how is this an issue??? If a place is low density how can it be a town center in the first place?
that map at 0:44 resembles so much Dante's circles of hell, and i find that so, so ironic
it has 7 layers lmao
They recreated Impel Down 😭
I swear this is some kind of an elaborate warning sign, like when someone blinks a Morse code message "torture".
And Dante's circle of hell resembles every underground building concept ever. Your point?
@@JsJdv this is conical, first of all, and it's massive. The more down you go, the worse it gets, just like Dante's hell.
Also, this is just a comical comment, don't even try to argue with it lol
I would also like to point out that, should a fire happen ABOVE your home in this gargantuan tomb, things could be worse. Shoddily built buildings tend to collapse in fire, dropping debris into the homes of those trapped under it. If the fire is too widespread, baring special safety accommodations that Corpos would find to expensive, there is a risk of suffocating the lower floors as the fire consumes the oxygen.
People tend to think the house pricing is high because there's too much people and less houses, so they think that you need to build more. But looking into the statistics, there's more empty houses than homeless people, they are kept empty or too pricy because real estate stock markets are getting rich with their speculation.
Good on you for correcting and making this ad free adam
Was there a honey ad on this originally?
@Error_5383 nope, better help
I've dug, I mean, built many holes, I mean, ground scrapers in minecraft, where it's fun but fairly useless.
One thing you missed was ventilation and air circulation nightmare.
CO/CO2 is heavier than O2, so it sinks, and mine shafts needed elaborate ventilation systems to pump fresh air to the bottom.
I can't imagine what a ground scraper would smell like if one too many people fart in there.
😂
Just to clarify - mine ventilation is usually dominated by vehicles (e.g. exhaust from diesel engines) and blast-clearance requirements. Once you've supplied 100+ cfm per brake horsepower, human breathing is a negligible factor.
Oxygen Not Included has taught me well what would happen.
So they can sell you more canary birds?
@@begone2753We can’t send the so many 😱 🇮🇨
The first thing that crossed my mind was "Where does the rain water go?" A few bad rainy seasons would mean anything on the lower floors would become swimming pools. You'd have to install some world-wonder-esq plumbing system to keep those levels from become watery graves. Not to mention regular bug infestations that spawn from the cool, freshly exposed soil. AND people regularly throwing trash down from the top levels, making it the worlds biggest trash can.
I can literally see in my inner eye the groups of 15 year olds doing a "who throws their half-full cans into that open window?" tournaments.
Yeah, I thought about that (and snow) immediately but after that I realized sewage is a similar problem. You're going FAR below the sewer level, you'll need a lot of pumping power to get your sewage up to it and ready to flow away. Power loss? Mechanical issues? Best case scenario is just that all the toilets in the building stop functioning, worse is that the flow of sewage now follows gravity. You also need a lot of drainage pumps in general to keep moisture from the soil from seeping into your structure. Probably depends on the groundwater levels where your hole in the ground is located.
Also, they planned to put it in Mexico City.
Y'know, the one that's built on a lake.
The one that's _sinking._
@ An urban center in desert is especially dumb because of how little water would be absorbed by the ground in that environment. Coupled with the fact that the weight from the ground scraper would gradually cause a downward gradient around it. Turning into a funnel that draws all water down into it.
@@massivepileup What are you talking about? If one of the highest skyscapers in the world can use poop trucks, than surely the groundscaper can, too!
Just let them wroom wroom up the inner walls in a 10km long spiral.
You reminded me a lot of a twitter post where an anthropologist was criticizing how every new "innovation" from the tech bros was, and I quote:
"Mostly social services or public goods.
You know, something they don't completely control.
And they would very much like to."
This project is one rainy season away from becoming a lake.
I live in Mexíco City (i was born here) and thankfully the goverment decided to make the zocalo a pedestrian only zone with some of the nearby streets to the plaza renovating infraestructure and its perfectly fine, it gets crouded on some days like in the independence day or in dia de muertos, but in general its great to walk.
Combine Earthscraper, Landscraper, and Skyscraper to make a Hive City from Warhammer 40k.
I was going to say, Games Workshop need to start being a lot less subtle with their products. Like in the back of every novel we get a "Gabbing with Guiliman" where he speaks directly to the audience about why Imperial architecture is a bad idea.
Or Midgar from Final Fantasy VII.
@@Radiodragonofdoom I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards.
+kimarous they seriously look both of them and be like. They are out instruction guidelines.
Notes: groundwater, groundwater and more groundwater. Concrete carbonatation degradation due to humidity, especially if it's a rebar reinforced. Flood management is nightmare as well. In Japan they have giant empty silos BELOW actual building for the flooding management. The only time sub surface dwellings are logical is when you make it in a cliffside in Cappadocia in order to take shelter from Persians in the bronze age or something.
Tech bros trying to recreate Kowloon walled city for the future
For then it was probably perfection. Efficient and highly populated with not a slither of government oversight. Wet dream of a tech bro.
Forget Kowloon Walled City. This looks more like a 40k hive city.
This is genuinely insulting to Kowloon walled city, since it was the polar opposite of a tech bro scheme in almost every respect.
@@Hortifox_the_gardener It is truly fascinating, i wish i could roam it someday, explore, get a glimpse of how people self-arrange and survive. But i'm thankful that i don't have to live or work there.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 As Elon intended. They seriously look at that as an instruction guide
1:15 I could be wrong, but isn't Mexico City notorious for having extremely unstable subgrade? What makes people think it's a good Idea to build structures in a medium that is constantly sinking and deforming.
So what happens then when Mexico City reaches the bottom?
The smog is another issue, you are surrounded by mountains, pleasing to look at in the rural countryside 20-25 years ago. Smog is denser than air so why make a hole that will slowly kill you.
There is a company/a guy I heard wants to build apartments that hang from satellites in low earth orbit. So they are not touching the ground and in theory can move a whole building to a different country. Sounds very cool….. for a comic book or movie.
Like an untethered space elevator? You couldn't possibly have that at a low Earth orbit or the apartment complex would keep moving across the face of the Earth at a great speed. The satellite would have to be in a geostationary orbit so that the building would stay in the same place at all times. And if you have the tech to pull off something that outlandish, why are you wasting it on apartments? Build the damn space elevator.
lel thunderfoot covered it some 8 years ago iirc
@@ObakeOnnaspace elevator is quite few magnitudes harder feat than putting something massive on low earth orbit
wouldnt ppl in those apartments experience 0 gravity so their bones would deterioate?
thats weird, i had a dream one time i for whatever reason was jumping outve an apartment building door that was in the sky and as soon as i started to sky dive i think i either woke up or the dream shifted i cant remember lol cool though
The fire safety issues you mentioned also apply to just regular skyscrapers.
Another solution is to tax real estate more heavily, currently a lot of property is sitting empty in many major cities worldwide (can be different in some countries, but in the majority of cases out of 6 countries I lived in - that is still the case). They don't even rent it, because property taxes are extremely low and the purchase was made just to store value instead of making more of it or to make it in 3-5 years by just selling it at a much higher prices without cumbersome of operating a renting business. If you start taxing real estate more if it is not used (stays empty) - you will have much more apartments and commercial real estate available without a need to build a single new building.
We need to maintain interest levels at higher values, and raise property taxes absolutely. Taxes on real estate sales aren't usually sufficient to do much since they are one-time costs. The problem has been that since 2008 property values have been rising faster than interest rates on mortgages and often faster than stocks in companies, which is incredibly destructive to the economy and society since it means simply owning property is more lucrative than using property for a useful purpose. My simple thought experiment is this: if Company A rents their business space and is growing their market and business such that their net profit is increasing by 3% per year, but Company B owns their business space which increases in value by 5% per year but makes 0 profit and has declining market share then something is terribly wrong isn't it? Company B will be increasing in overall value faster than Company A despite actually being in decline when considering their actual business activities.
I know a lot of people are drawing comparisons between the “Earthscraper” and Kowloon Walled City, but the resemblance is just so striking. Kowloon City stands as an example as to how horribly wrong this idea can easily turn into. In Kowloon, the apartments around the perimeter and the ones looking out into the small courtyard at the center were the most expensive because they offered the precious commodity of clean air and sunlight. Everywhere else had incredibly unhealthy living conditions where the air was perpetually stuffy and the city was in permanent darkness. There was no proper garbage disposal system and so people dumped their waste and trash into the shafts between buildings. Just imagine that for the Earthscraper: at the very top are apartments that offer clean air and natural sunlight that only the richest can afford, and at the bottom the rest of us are stuck with squalid conditions without natural sunlight and where the rich dump their trash onto us. Another big problem within Kowloon Walled City was the crime. Because the city was an exclave of the People’s Republic of China within British held Hong Kong, neither side actually sent in law enforcement, and so the city was stuck in an anarchic grey area and became a hotbed for illegal drug trafficking and criminal gangs. I can quite easily see the “”Earthscraper”” becoming just like Kowloon Walled City but with a tech bro cyberpunk twist.
"but with a tech bro cyberpunk twist" Wasn't the kwc one of the main sources of inspiration behind the whole genre of cyberpunk to begin with?
As far as I can tell, Kowloon has been an influence on a fair bit of cyberpunk media, and in fact has even appeared directly in Shadowrun Hong Kong (both the video game and the RPG books).
0:17 this is funny too because like a lot of these "innovations", this is something that was already done by the public sector 100 years ago. Vienna has the famous Karl Marx Hof built in 1930 that's a 1100m long public housing complex
I love how tech bros seemingly have to reinvent the wheel, except worse, and re-make every mistake for themselves in order to believe it even is a mistake/bad idea. I love how they have to do this in seemingly every area of science, including medicine and physics.
And by "love," I mean I don't.
It’s not as if they’re claiming to have invented it
@@sholem_bond"what if wheel, but with crypto" was 5 years of hilarity.
@@sholem_bond"Wheels are so old fashioned. Why not have a cube - with Internet connectivity. And a subscription fee".
"But that won't work. It needs to be round to roll".
"Okay, what if we put little wheels on the bottom of the cube?"
I am not even halfway through the video, and this has gone from just a bad idea to build in real life to something completely unsustainable in modded Minecraft. I am so excited to learn how it gets worse
9:00 in America renting cap and refusing corporations from buying up single family homes. Easy fix
👏👏👏blackrock/blackstone/vanguard OUT of housing
@ Amen
Given private equity owns less than 0.1% of properties and most cities that still have forms of rent control in the U.S. have lottery based housing systems because developers don’t build new affordable housing (and I know I’m currently in a housing lottery right now) - I think that is the equivalent of spritzing a spray bottle at the sun.
It’s a supply issue. American metropolitans need public developers of urban housing to be created to sell housing at cost-of-construction, creating downward price pressure for rentals and buyers.
Litigating others to do the work for you is what this country constantly defaults to and frankly I’m sick of having an inactive public sector that instead just tries to engineer the private to work in it’s favor - it’s the type of thinking that makes people disdainful of the public sphere and further empowers private rent seekers in the first place
Looks like a terrible flood hazard. Any kind of water main break inside the structure or even near the outer walls, the whole thing would fill up like a bath tub.
Mexico City is built on the drained Lake Texcoco, too. The city’s noticeably settling as the lakebed sediments dry and the area is relatively geologically active.
Something settles funny or a small quake knocks something loose and suddenly you’re on your way to making Tenochtitlan II with a new Lake Texcoco.
for a place with a lot of earthquakes the project is really stupid.
@@joshuahadams That'll at least extinguish the raging blaze on Story -49 and -48 that no one could fight because there's literally no way to access it other than going through the smoke column for 48 stories, while floating.
It's The Silo!
It's literally a dystopia
fr! Techbros have become Senator Thurman😭 but I guess that character hasn't shown up on the tv show yet if you haven't read the book...
You actually missed something huge in this one: Ventilation. I'm not just talking fresh air. We're always breathing which produces carbon dioxide... which sinks. The bottom floors of this would have to have insane fans to push all that carbon dioxide back up to the surface, and no, there isn't an easy way to use plants to fix the problem. An algae farm or gardens wouldn't break up nearly enough carbon dioxide to keep up with demand. If it's not designed with this kind of ventilation in mind, the bottom floors will quickly become saturated with carbon dioxide and anyone who goes to sleep down there may actually end up suffocating as the carbon dioxide builds past their bedroom. If the ventilation breaks down at any point, the bottom floors will have to be evacuated immediately. And you know what people do during a crisis? Panic. Expel far more carbon dioxide. At best, you've got thousands of panicking people in a dark space trying to reach the surface before the gasses reach their level. At worst? Depends on why the ventilation is down. No power means no elevators and no elevators means thousands of people running up dimly lit stairs.
The biggest logistical issue is somehow making a functional sewage system that pumps UP instead of down
That's true, skyscrapers at least have gravity to work with.
You left out that if there's a flood, it'll largely be underwater. And if it was made watertight, it's also airtight, so trying to seal it off would be just as deadly.
I recently acquired a post apocalyptic punk role-playing game set in the UK. These things were something the villains were building.
Imagine trying to build one of these in London 😂
Digging down like 4m and now being an archaeology site for 6 months only to dig down another 4m only to find 3 tube lines a WW2 bomb shelter and an Mi5 black site.
Then you dig another 5 metres and find several 500kg bombs.
So, they watched Silo and thought 'Hey, this is a cool idea'
Why are tech-bro's so fundamentally incapable of understanding science fiction?
They love science fiction because it looks cool. The Silo in, well, _Silo_ was meant as a defensive structure. It's a bunker, which has a practical purpose. This bullshit idea of theirs is just the same thing but without any of the benefits and with all the drawbacks.
But because bunkers are _cool_ they can sell the idea.
Earthscrapers will also have issues with water. Digging this deep means that you will encounter groundwater or what if there is heavy rain? Also pumping up your used toilet water is also a issue. What happens if a pipe breaks? So many issues alone with water.
exactly and plumbing, electrical, communication lines, subways etc would also need to be either rerouted/rebuilt around underground structures, or built ridiculously deep. then there's the general trouble of receiving wireless communication underground, gets worse with depth.
and what most people forget with underground structures .. radon. you'd have to spent ridiculous amounts of energy/money on radon monitoring and according ventilation. There's a reason there's radon exposure regulations for underground workers, like in mining.
And they want to make one in Mexico City center which was buit over an ancient lake...genius.
Mexico City receives more rainfall than London actually lol
From oil barons to solar barons…for that seems to be the only way energy can be dealt with.
Also, thank you for the ad-free experience. It’s like 2010 all over again.
Energy is a natural monopoly, same for water, gas, and lots of utilities. Unless the gov't regulates them then inevitably become run by barons.
9:25 is actually why bangkok is such a cool city. There's multiple "city centers" with their own vibes, Each easily accessibly by the metro, with every amenity you would want.
Where's bangkok from?
@IlikeburgerKing123 beautiful Thailand
This is literally Zaun from Arcane
Also isn't Mexico City literally the worst place you could possibly put something like this? It's already got sinkhole problems.
Sadly, the ways to actually fix a lot of social problems happen to help poor people without particularly feeding the egos of rich people, so it's harder to get them done.
You forgot to mention the fact that they would have to account for the several million tons of soil and rock that would be putting constant heavy pressure on the lower portions of the earthscraper 24/7 365. Or the problem of running into aquifers that would constantly leak water into the building without a layer of waterproofing running all throughout the building. Or earthquakes. Or floods. Or snowstorms.
Earthscapers are just bad all around.
You say "constant flooding," I say "cheaper water bill!"
@@AdamVollmeryour flodding has been privatized. You now have to pay $99 annually to remove your waterproofing
We had balconies from old buildings collapse semi-regularly. Even before the big war. People get hurt by rubble. An Earthscraper? Bury entire population with 1 (one) shahed drone EVEN IF IT'S SHOT DOWN, debris have so much fuel, it will be Gehenna down there.
There is also the question of what it would do to the foundations of surrounding architecture. I'm no expert, but I don't think somebody digging a f***off big hole and causing soil movement multiple stories down is on a checklist a surveyor signs off. Hope those venture capitalists are ready to pay for repair on foundations of surrounding buildings if those crack, sink or drift.
7:44 Simpsons did it
episode?
The who shot Mr burns episode I think?
He plans to block out the sun