The HyperPort Is Dumb And Will Most Likely Explode
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“trains are to engineering as crabs are to biology. on a long enough timescale, if you optimize almost any system enough, you eventually get some form of either a train or a crab”
What’s this a quote from?
69thlkr
Crab train
Train crab
Optimize even more and you get the CrabTrain 0.o
I like trains. I want trains. Why can't we just do world class, convenient, accountable to people trains?
In my hometown of Atlanta a recent referendum to expand our pathetic excuse of a metro failed. And everybody was so quick to dogpile on the "Well, they're racist" excuse, instead of thinking about it for 5 seconds. It was for 6 miles of track. For some reason, our metro is controlled by the county. Gwinnett county is *45 miles long*. The top half of Gwinnett county never goes to Atlanta except to go to the airport, they don't even consider themselves Atlantan.
Oooooooooo it makes me so fucking mad. When the MARTA is convenient, it's fucking awesome. The problem is it's never convenient. What a waste.
Train good
Make them run on time first.
One thing at a time. (Maybe a country specific british comment)
The problem is that politicians and venture capitalists don't want to invest in boring yet proven solutions. Flashy bs like this is what parts investors from their money
How much money are YOU willing to pay for it?
I love how there was an "Elon Musk is not involved" warning. As if the person who wrote the article knew everyone would think of Musk when they saw something as stupid as this.
Didn't need to bother, we still think it's stupid.
I don't know how true that is. Many sleazy billionares love to use proxy companies to rid themselves of responsibility.
Also "involved" is kind of a vague term. He could still be deeply involved and even if he isn't directly involved with design he could still hold them accountable to him if he doesn't like what they produce.
he thought up the legendary hyperloop so the hyperloop but freight is going to ring a bell isnt it
That’s exactly what I thought this was going to be. Elon is the poster child for this crap.
Elno wrote the “whitepaper” on this particular “invention”, and also calls his Teslas-in-tunnels scheme “loop” as well.
Fun fact: PODS is an acronym for "Pieces of Dumb Shit", which is why tech grifters always call them that.
I think, for every person who's ever worked in marketing and/or logistics at least, this immediately slots into the "maybe they'll build it in the emirates"-dumb category.
Lol exactly. Every stupid idea ends up in the UAE
Maybe they can haul their sewage in something like this? Those trucks aren’t nearly as cool as this concept.
@@MindForgedManacle they in creative mode over there
@@briangarrow448 now THAT's an idea, worthy of Sheik Mohammed's full attention (and a poem on a silver plaque, obv)
@@veronikavartanova4044 I wonder what the word for “hubris” is in Arabic?
Moral of this whole channel: Just. Build. A. Train
Words to live by 😌
:D and kind of true
But the problem is that trains are publicly owned, meaning that Elon “DOGE 420 BIG CHUNGUS WHOLESOME 100” Musk doesn’t get the credit (and the profit...) from them. Also, trains prove that “free market innovation” is really just a gigantic scam, and we can’t have that because then people might start investigating other political systems...
bUt iT iS aN OuTdAtEd TeChNoLoGy fRoM 1800!!1!!1!1!1!1!!
@@killgriffinnowHold up, free market innovation is still a thing, that’s what produced trains in the first place. In fact trains prove free market innovation works VERY well, because it (innovation) has created something (trains) which is very close to optimal for it’s function. This stupid hyperloop business only happens because idiot “visionaries” exist in any system and will continue to do so forever.
"What were your goals on this project?"
"We wanted it to be extremely convincing!"
"So what would you say is Hyperport's greatest strength?"
"Believability."
as believable as stuttgart21 ?
@@cirno9356 "As believable as our next project: HyperBridge!
@@jaysefgames1155 what's that?
@@cirno9356 “as believable as our ice cold minus k ice maker!”
If believability was the goal, then they failed.
Try to erect just a single wind turbine somewhere remotely in Germany... takes "just a few years" to get the permissions.
Now HHLA trying to build a HyperLoop trough at least half the country xD
EDIT: HHLA just announced that they stopped research and development of the project.
xDD naja passt wohl haha
List of everyone who is surprised by that:
1.
They watched the video 🤣🤣🤣
Yepp, I laughed so hard when I first heard that HHLA wanted to build this crap. Then it was an even greater relief when I noticed that at least SOMEONE at HHLA had retained a smidge of realism and cancelled this crap. Phew, sanity does still exist.
@@RustyDust101 hhla also wanted to load containers on and off ships with drones a while back, wouldn’t be surprised if this came from the same department lmao
40 containers per train? We call that in the US “weak shit”
America: Where Infinity Train isn't just a cartoon show.
US freight operators: Safety Fifth
Most of the US would ask what a train is
It's largely because in USA and Canada freight owns most the track so the hyper long trains are more of. Trend. It's cheaper but I do think Europe's model may be superior as it's indicative of one better fit to society.
The longest ever train was actually a cargo train going from China to Europe, it was a couple of km long.
In general though cargo trains in Europe stay relatively short due to passenger trains gaining priority so the cargo trains need to be able to stop at sidings and start and stop fairly rapidly.
Everyone was perfectly happy for these containers to travel the ocean for weeks at 12-18 knots (20-30 km/h). Suddenly when they hit land, they need to travel the last few dozen miles at ridiculous speeds?
I mean magnetic railgun tubes would be pretty awesome as the majority of CO2 produced in getting an item from China is the use of trucks at either end and the cargo ship is negligible.
That being said it’s the electric power that is the selling point not the speed so you are correct
I’m not a rocket scientist but I’m pretty sure fastest things aren’t usually the most efficient
@@James-sk4db If that electric power is generated with clean energy such as nuclear or hydropower, then it could have some actual appeal to it.
Not ridiculous speed... LUDICRIOUS speed
The psychology behind these "inventors'"' obsession with private, individual, unconnected pod transport is simple and obvious: anything else would be like *sharing,* and the mere notion of doing anything remotely resembling that is unbearable. I've heard it said that Mr Musk, in particular, looks upon conventional public transport, with its unsegregated strangers sharing the same oxygen with each other, maybe even the possibility of actually being casually engaged by an unfamiliar person in friendly conversation, in absolute, unmitigated *horror.*
One of few areas I generally agree with him, I am not a technobro, I just hate being around any more than few people at the time.
@@michalsoukup1021 I would read that a bit more carefully
"Casually engaged by an unfamiliar person in friendly conversation" lmao, that's very idealistic of you
The truth is that you'll find more loudmouths, crying babies, smelly sweaty herds, various offenders from thieves to more touchy-feely ones, and more.
The funniest thing about all this is that nobody thought about the fact that all those containers in the shiny CGI came straight of a container ship. Such a ship usually takes about 4-6 weeks from China to Europe. Thank god at least the last 300 km are done at ultra high speed so one can save a couple of hours compared to a normal train :D
This is literally lesson 1 in Engineering 101: start with a problem, not a solution
Plus, we all know the solution should either be ever increasing levels of WD40 and duct tape
What's lesson 2?
Obviously the problem is not having cool pods zooming around
@ civota mu az lesson 2 is “if it moves and it shouldn’t, duct tape”
@@modern5387 lesson 3 if it should move but doesn't, WD-40
“Make the pieces look like futuristic sex toys, and start calling them pods” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
why, it worked for iDevices
Mhhh phalic objects make me feel powerful
Lost my shit at that point 😂
Sex pods.
In French, we have that expression "branlette intellectuelle" which translates to "intellectual masturbation", hence the use of "futuristic sex-toys" is relevant! x)
German train trafic dispatcher speaking: Even on a conventional railline with conventional signaling, we are able to run up to 13 freight trains per direction and hour. And 40 containers per train is for German standards even a bit low. So the capacity of the line is even higher.
Easy solution to the pod breakdowns, create a mechanism whereby each individual pod can attach to the others so if one breaks down you can use the others to tow it. Then, attach all of them together all the time, add a single more efficient pod built for hauling the others at the front, put it on train tracks instead of the “hyper Uber ultra super mega track” and then just make a train because these loops are stupid
They could still call it a “hyper Uber ultra super mega track” and no-one would be the wiser...
@@Korschtal ye just increase the track gauge by 1 nanometer
What if i paint a train silver and black, stick a "takes bitcoin" sign on it ?
@@blakksheep736 Loopcoin 🤣 personally I hope it takes Chuck E. Cheese tokens
@@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago at least you can exchange those tokens for something you can eat.
"....to be build in Germany"
this project is already dead
SEKAI ICHIII!!
rule 1 in europe: straight lines dont exist
You just insulted the entirety of my race!
But yes.
@@TheBoringEdward Insulted? Dude, it is a simple observation. Look at things like Stuttgart 21, the Elb-Philharmony and similar german major projects. They all are incredibly cost ineffizient, last for multiple decades, are products of enourmous government corruption and in the end fucked up at a crucial point. It is almost like major projects in germany are predestined to fail.
@@links-gut-versifftergrunme1809 Yes. I agree. I was being ironic.
And on this episode of "Just build a fucking train" Adam Something doesn't have to deal with Elon Musk for once
Only with the consequences of the same stupid approach to things.
They could literally build a Container version of a TGV High Speed Train. It would be cheaper and could be added to existing lines.
"What if we took taxis and linked them together" Just build a fucking train
"How about a synergized system of self driving pods that travel hun-" JUST BUILD....a fucking train
These ports already HAVE trains. If there's a system that can replace or augment them this ain't it.
Don't listen to this Adam guy. I have sources saying that he is payed off by Big Track companies
The best part of this channel, listening to a grumpy Czech engineer explain why the latest glitzy techno-fix is stupid and don't fix what isn't broken, damn it.
*Hungarian
Retired truck driver. We had freight that couldn’t go through a mountainous area. Flagstaff was straight out. Packaging would burst in the thinner air. A vacuum leak would devastate freight.
When the CGI for your vacuum train has "aerodynamic" pods in it, i'm already laughing at you right there.
lmao good take
There won't be a perfect vacuum.
@@someone7826 true but those few atoms won’t behave like air anymore. And your train needs to be designed to function in a *tube*. Directing the air upwards will increase drag…
@@andreewert6576 people just overhype everything and then forget about it 4 months later
I can't believe I didn't even notice that, JFC
tbh we can probably convince "innovator" companies to build trains by calling them Pod Giga-Chains instead...
Behold, the UltraPod! The pods can link together for greater synergies!
@@anthonythompson6053 And get this they run on Electricity and Magnetic resonance
Or they could market chains as HyperRope
@@pappadam2818 I'm blowing HyperRopes over this idea
@@asandax6very cool way of saying how bullet train works, this might work
I like your advocacy for rail. People might not find it sexy anymore and governments do their best to destroy it - because it is public service - but all things considered, it is for most cases, the best transportation system ever designed.
It is not sexy, it is useful
EcoAku Irrelevant whether someone considers it "sexy" or not. That is purely subjective crap. I can claim busses and trains are sexy.
Trains have always been sexy.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 respectable.
Until flying cars and shuttles come about
But rail is definitely the best mass transport method devised so far
Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you. - Jeremy Clarkson
Speed Kills.
The “why not just build a train” line with various lush effects on it is maybe the best running gag of all time honestly
The lush effect was the Windows 98 logon sound. Who recognised it?
Or a bullet train if you want it fast. Japan is already there.
Trains are lame.
Society has already already made up its mind that trains are thing of the past.
@@Novusod Are you a MILLENNIAL?
@@teebosaurusyou I am from Gen-X.
The older I get, the more I understand the people who're obsessed with trains...
Seriously, trains, trams, and buses could really make transport much more accessible
Yeah public transport is sick
Yes but rich people don't care about such things as "public" transports or public anything for that matter. They want do be alone in their own golden towers, because regular people like us are perceived as cockroaches, we smell like piss and all that. Am I right?
I mean if you want to transport more cargo just make the trains twice as wide and have two rails support them instead of one, gg.
Based
@@Danuxsy or use ships
Ships are the BEST way of cargo
Surely, maintaining thousands of miles of huge depressurized tubes won't lead to massive infrastructure problems.
The capacity is absolutely hilarious. I work at a railyard in a large country, we load over 168 containers double stacked on one outbound train, now this takes up to 4 engines linked to move but using this "hyper loop" system would cripple the entire country, food and good shortages would be rampant, not to mention straight tracks are near impossible considering our landscape.
This stuff sounds cool and futuristic on paper but to anyone actually working in these industries they claim to be revolutionizing its hilariously stupid.
What large country that you work at this railyard is?
How long does it actually take to load one of those full trains? My only problem with this video was the math saying you could load a 40 container train in less than an hour which sounds way too fast
@@calebisaacs4760 usa most probably because of double stacks being widely used in NA
For this to ever be viable would require a leap in technology and available resources, as well as a basically peaceful world, otherwise we'll have the issue of terrorists having easy to fuck targets.
@@vreaper45 Sounds fairly easy to me. Just requires parallel container handlers, just like the flashy pod CGI doesn't have.
Took me 25 years to find this channel and realize that growing up the strange kids who were obsessed with trains had it right all along
As one of those kids, I can tell you that we probably would have been obsessed with them even if they weren't the paragon of efficient transportation.
@@deathhog But they are the paragon of efficient transportation. AND they're really cool. You know. We all know. :D
Based avtism
How do trains deal with the radiation, micrometeorites and massive sandstorms on Mars though?
@@bergenbergenbergenbergen3512 but we are on earth though
This video is the living manifestation of the phrase, “We have flying cars, they are called helicopters”.
We don't
@@Towzlie tf wdym we clearly have helicopters
That dude in Australia that converted a helicopter to a drone bike had the best idea for flying cars
There is A Reason There Called Cars And Not Helicopters 🙄
Giv De People Wat De Want😋
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Bikes exist, some variations of cars too, but they are more like drones
"Resistant to all weather conditions"
*earthquake enters the chat*
My fav part of the Hyperloop concept is how passengers/cargo will float along on a cushion of air... in a vacuum! 😅
it's actually magnetic levitation.
maglev
@@karlmarx3705 Yeah, whatever bullshit fantasy you want to believe. There is already a working Maglev system in China, designed in Germany. Despite the brilliant engineering involved, its expensive af, that is why you don't see widespread implementation. Musk is a joker who invested in Tesla, kicked the founders out and is somehow a genius! Asshole would be closer to the truth, and the Boring Company is pure vapourware!
"Any new ideas for cargo transportation?"
"High Speed Rail"
"trains with larger cargo capacity"
"A Train... in a tube.. that costs 10 times as much"
*Employee of the month*
@Neeraj Poonia Any new ideas for cargo transportation?"
"High Speed Rail"
"trains with larger cargo capacity"
"A Pod... in a tube.. that costs 10 times as much"
A pod*
@@dogogamer212 What is the great need to change our existing transportation system. Everyone gets their stuff. There is no great need to drastically change it. Unless you want to con people out of money and have them purchase stock, etc. Like L.Ron musk.
Make that 1000x the cost. At least!
@@davidsoom1551 well there is the problem of everything running on margin and thus being on the verge of collapse at all times. Like one boat getting stuck in a canal nearly tanked whole industries.
Also trucking has been an exploitative inefficient garbage hole reliant on an ever more abused cadre of experienced drivers to keep it functioning. Said drivers are literally aging out and dying off and not being replaced because the industry is too abusive. Their solution of course is to be even more abusive.
Also the entire process is as inefficient and costly as possible to taxpayers. We are literally footing the bill for a highly wasteful service for no reason.
So yeah, an overhaul is inevitable at this point, lots of opportunity for innovation. Just not if your goal is to syphon off billions of dollars on pure, wasteful graft.
I love that “Not made by Elon” is kind of a selling point now.
His reputation is likely tanking among people who know their stuff.
@@shade9592 and i guess that Europe doesn’t like Elon that much.
It's taken a lot of work by a lot of people debunking his BS for years but the project of dispelling his techbro daddy illusion is finally taking hold.
@@dynamicworlds1 You are counting your cards to early as a backseat watcher relying on whats released to gain your perspective.
The guy is the 2nd richest on the planet. I'm sure you really know what you are saying
@@TheFreshSpam tf are you even saying
professionals in the field debunk these types of dumb ideas (including Elon's) all the time.
Secondly, you can have dumb ideas and still be rich.
That "Inland Port" sounds like they reinvented warehouses
...but worse in every concievable aspect.
My favorite part is that they made the pods super aerodynamic. Then planned to only run them through a vacuum tube. Where the is no air to be dynamic in.
man u made me laugh so hard
Well it's probably so if there are leaks and the fact it won't be a perfect vacuum, if you hit a pocket of air without aerodynamics, you're fucked.
but they're already fucked regardless of shape
HAHAHAH YES YES YES GOOD POINT YOUR MY FAVORITE NOW LMAO
@@unbanned6175 exactly and plus we can't ever have a true vacuum because ypu can YES get rid of air in a vacuum but it isn't a true vacuum because their are still air particals and irl in outer space it also isn't a true vacuum their is about 10 atoms per cubic centimeter in space while on earth's its like 10 billion trillion if I'm correct on that number that is so of course it costs more to make u less they are yes making something is a reduced vacuum with a lower atmosphere that's somewhat like a vacuum but I'm guessing that's what the streamlining is for? I mean do you understand how difficult and expensive it is to maintain a vacuum chamber? The biggest in the world is nasa having it but it's expensive and isn't cheap to maintain but it's only for science research, different planet atmosphere like conditions, and such-and-such so really wtf are they even doing do they know how much more space and money this will take and cost compared to the amazing trains we have are much cheaper costs and most of the crap Elon has made or proposed is dumb except for what he's doing with spacex and making space cheaper I'm a big fan on and happy for tho the stupid idea oh yea will have a million on Mars by 2050...um no that's not possible because this channel and another one subject zero talks about that the most realistic we could do is a measly 100,000 people by 2050.
Whenever someone tries to innovate on transportation, it always leads back to either a bus, or a train. So just build better trains! Build faster trains! Build trains with better routes than we have now (more specifically in the United States).
Ikr mate, instead of trying to increase it's efficiency and iterating on its design, they are all just reinventing the wheel, and forcing their bullcrap down all of our throats by stating "this is the future of whatever"
It's almost like technological progress happens not through some very expensive gimmick, but through small changes and improvements to existing technology. The concept of trains may come from the 1800s, but the speed and efficiency of modern trains isn't even comparable.
Better and faster trains aren't needed, trains are great. What's needed is just good quality control and maintenance on rail, and maybe increase in rail capacity. A junk piece of shit train can go 160 km/h on a good piece of rail easily, and a high tech super automatic suspension Intercity Express is held up frequently by bad rail sections that cannot be safely traversed above 40km/h. Better rail signalling can allow you to run trains closer together too, so you don't have to have the train clear a 50km stretch of rail untill you can signal the next train behind it that it's clear to go.
Sure it's all cost and effort, but if you can't put an infrastructure investment into something so cost effective, how can you think to afford anything fancier?
@@SianaGearz Where I live, the *slow* trains do 160km/h, and the "fast" trains do 225km/h. It is a quadruple track line, and the slow and fast lines both carry about 12 trains per hour.
The United States is way too big to have a system like Japan where every major cities are much closer than all of USA's biggest cities.
I love how well the younger folks (I'm 68, so that's a lot of folks) are covering BS. Miniminuteman (archeological conspiracies), Casual Geographic (animals and Nature) and you are some of my favorites. Excellent vids, funny AND I learn stuf. Thank you for your excellent content.
This guy talks bullshit most of the time but yeah I also learn from these videos sometimes
Of course this is ridiculous, what we need are hyper canals large enough for container ships. These canals would allow the container ships to deliver the shipping containers direct to retailers, avoiding the port bottlenecks, we can build these canals along any and all existing infrastructure. Simply install draw bridges at all intersections (only slightly increasing travel times) for land based vehicles, and then we could build locks to navigate mountainous terrain.
No we need trains
Hmm.... If only such devices existed....
When I was younger I thought that despite looking so simple, these CGI futuristic concepts were thoroughly studied by scientists and accounted for every problem
Then when you're older you realise they're just dumb ideas from the idiot with the most money and the loudest voice.
If they were, they wouldnt be there
@@erneststyczen7071 true, if they were so good and practical they wouldn't be stuck as just some science magazine fodder forever lol
@@graciliraptor3990 yeaaah but its not really in a science magazine, cuz it has nothing to do with science, it needs to portray itself as science. Just like new tesla factory in germany was shut down, because it had terrible OHS. It doesnt need to work well, the most important thing for them (elon or other middle aged kids with mental disorders) is to look futuristic
@@Chris-ft2yx it will almost never crash if it's run well
The fact that they highlighted Elon Musk not being involved is hilarious.
"we're not affiliated with that jerk!"
Probably cause Elon doesn't want to affiliate with dead projects
@@ascherlafayette8572 🤣
Musk got them into this "startup doing a maglev in a near vacuum" which may not sit well with them now that they see what they are actually up against versus him chuckling and saying "it's simple, it's just like an air hockey table".
@@ascherlafayette8572 Oh really? When did he start?
Stumbling across this channel has made me realize that all of humanity is doomed and we should all turn into trains
given that we're biological, I think our destiny is to evolve into *crab*
@@demon_xd_ Mammals can't evolve into crabs. Our true destiny is to return to monkee.
@@concept5631 Sounds like we need to keep regressing until we can turn into crabs
Crabs that ride trains....
@@markbo3251 noooooooooooooo
And that's not even taking into account trains in North America where the intermodal trains can have well over 200 containers per train since our trains are able to double stack the containers. So now with that same math at 7 trains per hour, that's 1400+ containers per hour, which ends up being 23.33+ containers per minute. Even with a 12 minute headway, that's still 16.66+ containers per minute.
But with such long trains, even a 12-minute headway would be optimistic. Those trains are slow and have very low acceleration and deceleration, so ideally you want them as far apart as possible, since otherwise even the slightest delay would cause disruption.
With such long trains you’re looking at intervals of 20 minutes at best, but more likely 30 minutes. That’s still 400 containers per hour (6.666… per minute), which is still even better than Adam’s estimates, but not quite at the level you’re suggesting.
@@KasabianFan44 It depends on the mainline. Some lines have a higher volume of traffic than others
@@GreenOverRed
No line in the entire world has the capacity to carry 1400 containers per hour. That was literally my whole point.
@@KasabianFan44 I'm not saying you're wrong persay, I'm saying it varies by rail line and it does. You aren't going to measure rail traffic density in Elkhart, Indiana, then apply that density to a place like Needles, California, or Altoona, Pennsylvania. Every part of the US rail line is different in one way or another.
Places like Tehachapi, California is going to have far less dense rail traffic cause trains there are restricted to no more than around 23MPH and much of the line is single track. On the other hand, Barstow, California is going to be far more dense, as it is a major artery that receives eastbound trains from the Ports of LA and Long Beach, as well as other commodities from Bakersfield, California. Not to mention westbound traffic heading into Barstow from Arizona, Nevada and elsewhere. And that's on top of the fact that two railroads, both BNSF and Union Pacific flow through there. But of course, not all lines are that dense.
omg i died when I heard this was supposed to be built in Germany. That's the most proposterous thing I've heard in a while. In Germany you can't even build a single windmill without being sued by 5 civil initiatives. I don't think that company even believes they can do this. They probably just pitched this hoping some idiot dictator in dubai or some place like that will build it
Don't worry, they won't even reach the state of being sued. We are talking about Hamburg here. It is the same city that needed to build an operahouse on top of an already existing building.
And don't get me wrong - I love my hometown and all, but honestly before they have built any of this even with chinese help the Elbe river will have chenged course from plate tectonics...
I'm also from Hamburg and our river (!) port has an even more general problem: They want to deepen the river to be able to host the increasingly larger cargo vessels wile the North Seas current will just wash the seafloor back in. Talk about the maintenance costs of being hellbent on staying relevant.
It is unbelievably easy to grift your way into german infrastructure projects. Just look at stuttgart 21, the new Altona station (the city of hamburg even got sued for corruption by the EU over that one), BER airport, autobahn maut and some of the other projects of our beloved minister of transportation.
Imagine one of these things "derailing". A multi ton bullet travelling at airplane speeds sailing into buildings
Quick make that into an hour and a half long movie
So...a plane? A multi ton bullet traveling at airplane speeds is a plane. And we are fine with those flying overhead.
@@shonefob Flying's cool so yes
@@shonefob You missed the part where I said "derailing". Just because it's as heavy and fast as a plane, that doesn't make them the same thing, by ANY stretch of the imagination. I'm not saying planes are bad. Planes are in control while in the air. These hyperloop pods are on the ground travelling through dense towns and cities. Should something go wrong and it breaks through the tube's wall, or "derails", you now have a massive object travelling at incredible speeds that is no longer in control. And all of this could happen in a city. When a plane crashes, the pilot still, typically, has some level of control. There's time between the realization that things have gone wrong and when that plane hits the ground. They can usually still direct the plane to a field or lake. They have the control to avoid people in most cases. These have none of that. Something goes wrong and everything nearby is subject to utter destruction because there's no time or ability to change trajectory.
If they're traveling 600mph at 1 minute apart from each other than the most minor motor weakness or any slow down will result in a catastrophic crash. You have to monitor every single one of these hundreds of pods to be in perfect condition evey time they move out.
They were delighted to be the first group
riding the new Hyper vacuum Loop.
There was a fault, which caused a quick halt,
it took forever to scoop out the goop.
Also, this was always a thing. Watch some british pathe. People in 1920's were building sleek cylinders and saying how people will fly in them for pennies on the dollar, and kids will be taught by robots and grass will be made of gold.
People always dream dumb shit, except now we have youtube for them to put it on.
Speed is not generally a consideration in logistics, that’s why we still use ships so much. People want to be moved fast. Goods need to turn up on time, whenever that is
Yes but that's because the oceans are vast. Think about a single port having congestion because it's taking goods in faster then it can send them out. Let's say the majority of cargo leaves this port via 2 rail lines. The solution would be to either make the rail faster or build more rails. For the most part, building more rail is probably going to be your best bet, however, at some point you might have too many or because of local geography not be able to build more. In this case you would want faster rail.
@@Stickyrolls123 But the problem is not the trains, it that unloading a ship simply takes time. It makes no difference how fast the goods leave after they have left the ship
bruh that cool and all for containers that come first but the ones in the back have to wait *WAY* longer
@@enider Nope, with slower trains you're absolutely going to throttle capacity. Conventionally this has been handled by building bigger harbors etc, but with the Hyperport, you could technically unload containers straight from the ship onto the pods, eliminating the need for storage.
@@VVayVVard no you couldn't. covered in the video.
There's a HyperPort now? What's next? Hyper Lift? A space Elevator in a Vacuum tube?
Dont give them any ideas...
Hyperfleshlight
Hyper mail service. Send emails by pod!
@@daruween1398 that's just sounds like a vacuum cleaner
Yeah. The hyperlift fills the column with water so the pod floats up the required floor
If ever in life I have any sort of issue, because of this channel my first thought will always be "Can I fix it with a train?"
Need to be somewhere? Train?
Not enough money? Train?
Weak musculature? Train?
Chose a wife that is too annoying? Train?
Someone should introduce these fellas to the concept of a bullet train 😂
Trains are litterally communism
Apparently, all you need for a modern engineering company is some skill in Blender.
LOL!
Dahir Insaat were ahead of the curve
@@Graknorke this has everything a Dahir Insaat video has except for the narrator
And lo-fi beats to scam Tesla investers to
All you need for a kickstarter scam
The people who designed this are geniuses, they made the pods extremely aerodynamic so all the air in the VACUUM tube doesn't slow it down.
If the trains truly rely on vacuum to pull them forwards then it would make more sense to make the trains the least aerodynamic shape possible.
@@EvsEntps vacuum refers to the lack of air in the tunnel not that it is getting sucked. In a vacuum there is no air resistance
@@chullupa How is the vacuum created? From one end of the pipe or at places along the pipe?
@@EvsEntps couldn't find the information, but presumably along multiple parts of the track
I think this is only a partial vacuum, to reduce drag, but not entirely eliminate it. Makes the air pumps not have to be so expensive and less risk than a near total vacuum.
I find it ironic that the caption "Welcome to a new era of reliability" (at 1:35) comes up while showing a truck that uses two disconnected power units instead of just one.
The argument I see a lot from apologists of useless projects like these is something along the lines of "oh but everyone thought that X idea was dumb in the past and look at it now, we can fly airplanes, how else would innovation be made hurr durr" and some other dumb shit like this. What they do not understand is that innovation is made to solve a problem, to expand our horizon and give us capabilities we did not have before. Take airplanes for example: We did not have fast air travel before, but we understood it would be possible somehow, even people back in 1600's understood air travel can be somehow possible, it was built over hundreds of years of constant innovation in the field. Projects like these are not innovating anything, they are trying to replace already proven and reliable innovations we have had for a long time, instead of improving what we already know works in a gradual manner, thus bringing nothing new to the table and instead overcomplicating what we already know works well.
Ah, yes, my favourite complaining channel. Refreshing.
Tbh if it is deconstructing it in detail its just a debunking channel
As someone who drives container trains for a living, after seeing this utter nonsense, I'm feeling incredibly smug.
Go by train, you know it makes sense.
As someone who plays train sims a lot I feel you (just kidding). Where do you work
Thank you for your service. Back when I drove a truck I would go to the massive intermodal area just south of Chicago and always be so amazed at just how much material made it’s way in and out.
We're about 1/4 mile from a freight line and I love hearing the train rumble through. I'm weird I suppose. 😂
I always wished amazon would be like the bank drive through and send me packages via a pneumatic tube.
If fast cargo really is required, why not just speed up "regular" freight trains?
I do like how their solution to "low energy, high efficiency" transport is a fucking monorail/maglev in a vacuum tube carrying single containers at a time.
It’s like they’re just incapable of imagining a train or its derivatives. Linking the pods together and putting them on regular tracks for higher capacity is just impossible to comprehend for wannabe futurists
@@MotorcycleWrites Someone needs to tattoo "Faster does not equal better or more efficient" on the backs of their hands or something because they're clearly incapable of imagining any improvement that isn't just making something fast.
What I don't get is, if they are lowering the pressure, why is it streamlined? The whole point of a vac-tube train is that you lower air-friction by putting the train in a low-pressure tunnel. You can use regular electric cargo trains, you don't need some special sealed pod thing, just a sealed cab for the engineer.
Also, building your vac tubes above ground is stupid, then you have to incorporate expansion joints for thermal expansion. More complexity to try and seal to pull a vacuum.
@@Reddsoldier there's a saying for that already in the Army. "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast".
@@MotorcycleWrites
Small doge meme : "Myeah, but, mmmh-trains are mmmh-always toommcrowded and mmhstinky and you're mmhalways standing up !!! Mmmhpods are more comfortable and limited !!! MMMhI don't wanna compromise, and it's mmmhimpossible to improve trains right mmhnow !!!'
Omg, you just solved the puzzle. Let's implement pods and blockchain and call it podchain. It will effectively be a train, but sexy and scientific because it has chain in the name.
Connect the pods and it’s a hyperchain of pods. Seems familiar.
Nah, pogchamp is better, or maybe hyper-photonic-ledRGB-pogchamp
sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and pods excite me lmao
@@crispybanana3198 chains excite me too 👀
Needs more quantum computers and machine learning. Throw in the word "smart" too.
My friend wants to be a rail technician. Glad to see you're supporting his job security.
"A continuation of the fake futurism griff that has been on-going for the past 10 to 15 years"
Great line 💜👌
Grift.
The solar pannels on the tube are also a dumb idea, because to make the most efficient power in Germany your Pannels need to be at an 35° Angle Pointing south.
Wrapping them around a tube makes them extremly inefficent.
We germans hate that
as you should
A German soldier not on meth is inefficient. Doesn't mean you give every soldier meth... or does it?
@@ansonburgdorf3940 warte mal, soll man nicht?
@@davidreuters8509 otherwise the soldiers would be riding kids bicycles into battle
@@ansonburgdorf3940 Ever heard of "Panzerschokolade"?
I’m convinced that the main reason Reddit tech dude bros are so in love with Musk-style technology “innovations” is because they are so isolated from the world that they genuinely don’t know what large-scale logistical technology already exists. The hyperloop sounds awesome only if you don’t already know how well trains work.
This works super well in Us where we dont really see trains that much and it can be easy to assume they arent that useful if you already arent well educated on transport
@@leaffinite3828 ~the second nightly coal train rattling my house by air pressure alone~ *WHAT WAS THAT?*
The only reason is they are in love with Musk already. Any bullshit he says is gospel.
Well said
@@RandomUserX99 Meanwhile he's putting man on Mars
It seems to me that part of the enthusiasm these kinds of techbros have for pods/small scale units could come from a few places.
One is what I'm going to call the cult of compactness; the same idea that making phones/computers/whatever smaller and more sleek with every generation, ignoring the fact that this makes them harder to repair or maintain.
Another is what I'm going to call the cult of exclusivity; it's a similar idea to how private jets feel 'better' and 'more rich' than commercial passenger liners because it's just you using them. You even pointed out in a previous video on hyperloop pods that they're basically just a cut-out section or private jet fuselage.
Finally, I think that part of this is also related to the American (and, to a lesser extent, Western) cult of the car. It's a similar kind of thinking to the whole 'when do we get flying cars' thing. Because trains and other forms of public transport have been so silenced by car companies wanting their STONKS, there's a tendency to think primarily in terms of personal, small-scale transport as being better.
Clearly, the solution is to elevate the tracks to six or so kilometers in the air where the air is a near vacuum, anyway. Then the trains could achieve amazing speeds!
"The HyperPort Is Dumb And Will Most Likely Explode" sounds like a terroist threat
It isnt a threat but i wish it was
The western world is it's own most dangerous terrorist most of the times. The few real idiots are just the scapegoats for everything we f**k up. lol
😂
And if no one will blow it up, I will, just to prove the point.
oh, wait
@@federicotarenzi1955 , see? It's tempting even for normal people. lol
I mean pretty CGI is pretty damn telling...
Hello darkness my friend
I was just kinda disappointed they didn't show drones lifting the containers. I mean, if they are promoting this nonsense, they might as well go full retard.
Renderite is the best construction material, it always looks sleek and doesn't need to obey those pesky laws of physics
Tells you where the money went.
@@Soken50 It's a bitch to order though. Nobody seems to have any to actually buy and build with!
From a business stand point, the shipper would want to send as much cargo as cheaply as possible. This meets neither of those requirements.
The main selling point of other "pod" transport systems is, "you don't have to mix with commoners". What's the selling point of this thing? Your container doesn't have to mix with other containers? Hmm, doesn't work as well, does it?
Ah, another episode of "why not just build a train"? My favorite
Cause it’s 2021, not futuristic enough
Very much the best videos haha
Trains are the perfect machine
Modifing old engines can help
@@elijahmarshall9787 cars are all terrain private and have more personality
I am happy to report the port of Antwerp has recently broken a record, of loading and unloading 23,500 containers in a single day by conventional means. If the hyperport can't do that, there's no use to even build it.
Edit: by demand, and somehow... for clarity... I have changed 23.500 to 23,500. To be clear, here in Europe (Belgium in my case) it's a common practice to use a "." for thousands. At our uni, we use the point because it can mess up coding when you use the comma to splice conditions for a given function. Especially hard when you tell the computer to e.g. add 20, 352, 55, 884, 91 and 433, when you need to add 20,352, 55,884 and 91,433 (this is extremely oversimplified, just to give an exaample of why we do what we do...)
That would take this Hyperport nonsense *16 days* to move.
Still not used to seeing . as the thousands marker...
@@DxBlack yea thought it was decimal at first
@@springyard20xx42 Different countries use different ones I guess
@@alex_3593 Correct. Germany has used the point for a long time now, while english speaking areas seem to prefer the comma. Don't know about other areas, but it's best to check first which they use. Yet to see one where they don't use both, though - seems that it's always one as the thousands marker and the other for decimals.
On that note, make sure you use the correct scale for millions and up - German uses long scale for example, so a german Billion is in fact a trillion in english and vice versa. German journalists really seem to have issues with that, which makes for some funky economic news when the US once again blows several times the entire worlds money supply on something.
You forgot to mention the amount off energy needed to create and sustain vacuum over such a tunnel. I can tell you, is INSANE.
I'm sure the idiots who came up with this garbage think that we'll have viable fusion power in 20 years as well.
Not to mention that the doors to the tunnel would create a sonic boom every time they bare opened because of all the air rushing in.
@@Joe_of_Arc_What? I work daily with vacuum and high preasure... and we never had something even close to a sonic boom when accidentily or not letting air into a vacuum... where does that come from?
@@zn4rf That's why repressurisation takes so long. At Normal Temperature and Pressure (20°C, 1 atm), air molecules have a mean speed of 500 m/s, while the speed of sound is 343.14 m/s.
@@electric7487 that still wouldn't make a sonic boom because there's nothing going faster than the air can move out of the way, in this context.
Oh, and let's not forget that molecules aren't big enough to have to deal with air resistance whatsoeever, so bringing up their mean speed is irrelevant.
The speed of sound you're thinking of is how fast sound can travel through air in standard conditions, not a universal standard.
Why is it always "decrease capacity, make stuff tiny for a small group of individuals!"?
Because most of this shit is designed in a bubble by a group of elite billionaires with their heads in the clouds who don't understand how the Real World™ works and just want something shiny and fast that the wealthiest 1% can enjoy.
Because of the extremely elitist, entitled, and selfish individualistic culture that's holding us Americans back.
As a German I can tell you, even if this whole thing worked they would really have fun with the regulations especially in terms of safety you have here. Not to mention the law suits etc
Your electric highway in Hesse is more realistic
Oh yes, the Germany safety regulations are byzantine and make any large scale infrastructure project almost impossible. See the Brandenburg Airport for a good example. This thing would never get out of the paper.
@@fresagrus4490 Even IF it would, there would be so many delays that the company would run out if money soon enough
@@Dutchwheelchair Hahahaha, that thing is a fucking joke.
@@fresagrus4490 They aren't Byzantine. Your reference on that airport is correct, but the reason for the delay was the politic meddling as they changed large parts of the airport after building was already in progress and this caused cascades of problems.
"Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good." - Thomas Sowell
1: create a problem that does not exist
2: sell the solution
OR
1: fuck up something that already works
2: sell the solution
As someone who worked at a container port for 4 years and holds a bachelor degree in Civil Engineering in Ports I highly approve this video
I like how you don't even pick apart the physics of drawing a near vacuum on a 480km long cylinder, and still tear the entire concept to ribbons.
Basically, trains are logistics powerhouses and there may never be anything to take their place in mass land distribution.
I disagree once we find a way to teleport shit we get an upgrade but that’s atleast 500y in the future lul
@@dog209 more than likely teleortation (should it ever exist) will be so exorbitantly resource intensive that it will be entirely impractical for mass shipping and only useful for the richest customers willing to pay a few thousand dollars for same-hour delivery on their new iphone.
@@reaganharder1480 Can you fucking imagine the cost of moving A KG of material THROUGH SPACE AND TIME
@@reaganharder1480 I don't think there's any particular reason to think it would cost a lot. It's more of a technical / feasibility issue than anything. Teleportation could just be straight up impossible though, so that sucks.
Well, it comes down to how the heck a teleporter would actually work. Off the top of my head, the two ideas that seem most likely (though still wrought with troublesome implications) are
1. Device A carefully scans every molecule in your body, then annihilates all those molecules and sends the data (and possibly energy from annihilation) to device B, which reconstructs said molecules from atoms made by converting energy. This has a few problems. First off, the amount of data required to accurately recreate every molecule in your body would be absolutely insane, and that's assuming it wouldn't kill you to operate this machine at a low enough precision to not run into problems with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The computing hardware to handle that kind of data transmission would likely be pretty intense. Though, perhaps we're looking for teleportation that only is used for non-living things, like shoes or the like, so staying alive is less important. You've still got the incredible challenge of effectively building an object atom by atom if this method is to work. And we haven't even gotten to energy requirements yet. Assuming i've properly understood physics, the energy released by the initial annihilation of the item would be equal to the ever famous E=MC^2, in which E is the energy in Joules, M is the mass in Kg, and C is the speed of light in M/S. Based on this, a 1 Kg object would release around 9 TerraJoules of energy into device A, which for scale, is roughly 1/10th the energy released by the Fat Man bomb that leveled Nagasaki in WW2. Then device B would need the same amount of energy, plus whatever is lost due to system inefficiencies, to rebuild the item in question. Now you ask "why not just send all the energy from device A to device B?" which would probably be the best idea, but the logistics of actually transmitting that kind of power is... extreme. I'm no expert in the field of electrical engineering, but I am very doubtful an electrical system can be made to operate reasonably cheaply while being capable of transmitting nuclear detonation levels of power, and trying to do that wirelessly has even more problems.
Option number 2. Device A creates artificial gravity (or antigravity) to warp space time so hard that it folds back onto itself and creates a wormhole. Now, spacetime is very confusing and i don't really understand it, so I can't say much about this, except that I'm pretty sure wormholes (if they are possible at all) require black hole levels of gravity, which has plenty of destructive implications for whatever is around it.
All that to say, I am HIGHLY doubtful that teleportation will EVER exist. If we're lucky, we might manage some kind of hyperdrive that allows near-lightspeed space travel, though even that is mostly only hypotheticals based on weird space-timey stuff I don't actually understand.
"The more sophisticated the device, the more vulnerable it is to primitive attack. "
We do a lil Кабоом
Not always true, but I like the quote
I like your qoute, but i doubt spear can penetrate Tiger II
@@justsomerandomweeb4243 Glass bottle with funny liquid inside and piece of burning rag attached can destroy it tho
@@atee5912 ah i see unga bunga finally have access to the funny liquid.
I found this channel about 3 days ago and i have learned two things.
1: cars are bs and should be destroyed with anger and malice
2: the train is the real god
BREAKING:
HHLA just announced they won't continue research and development.
This is especially nonsensical and useless in Germany.
Just drive at 600 km/h on the Autobahn, it's legal here.
That's impossible. There will always be some snail going only 160 on the third lane.
The autobahn terrifies me. I get nervous anytime I hit 90 miles on the highway. To think of going at those speeds just gives me very bad anxiety
Kilos per meter hour
@@deepam5246 haha, me too. But it also depends on the car. Mine starts to shake at 120km/h when it's windy.
If you have a car that costs 5 times as much, it still feels stable at 200.
Still, I would never drive that fast. Too dangerous. And luckily I don't have to use the car at all for work, so I am never in time pressure.
@@steemlenn8797 dangerous = fun
Keep in mind that is not uncommon to see trains carrying over 200 containers. With double stacking and multiple locomotives
@@ingulari3977 but trains _are_ cool
Yeah, five Borth American-tier container trains per hour would blow any futuristic container cannon out of the water. Freight trains may be the one thing we did a good job of here
@@ingulari3977 Trains aren't cool? You better fucking take that back.
@@ingulari3977 And I'm sorry you can't take a joke.
Yep. The 2:00 freigh train in my city was like two or three times as large as a normal freight train. It was a never ending stream of containers.
Ahh, to free up waterfront real estate... These schemes are always designed to benefit the hyper-rich at the expense of the poor (who can only afford to live inland by where the port is being outsourced), behind a vague veneer of futurism
Imagine watching a pod break down and then ten more pods slam into the back of it at 600 mph
kmh*
About 360mph
Oh that's alright then
That would look like straight from a Michael Bay movie lmao.
@@nylex5206 And have the pod behind transporting nitrates and act as an oxidiser
Don't worry, the software of the future is flawless. The super-intelligent AI of 2025 will fix all the problems you could ever think of.
The next evolution of this scheme: Hypership! 1 container per ship.
Somehow still needs a near-vacuum tube, except over the water.
Daaang, man! You might be onto something here. Better run to the patent office...
It needs to go brrrr so it must have jet engines. Bonus points for radioactive fuel
Gotta love how hyper is now the same for BS fake shit as "gate" is for scandals
Next:
HyperXship: 2 ships per container
This is why engineer students scoff at designer students.
As an engineering student, I would like to say that I have never seen any engineering student speak badly of design students for the simple fact that most are women (and generally our girlfriends). It's the economists and management students who get trash talked by the engineers. And this stuff is typically from the head of a guy who went to business school
In central Europe (and probably everywhere else) most of the problems can be solved through clever investments in the existing railway system rather than building all kinds of futuristic bs.
True. Same thing here in the US
We cannot even build a new "Y" rail link between Hamburg, Bremen and Hannover without everyone complaining and a 50 years delay! So how should this work?
Yeah, and if they just find just a single grasshopper that might go extinct because of this project you can add another 50 years.
thats actually a bigger problem than eveything else, you do make a great point
Eh, well I mean, this time it's a private project, and if it's ever tried, it would be so cool and new, and maybe also international, or even if just nationwide, news that it'll pass better and be faster, I'd say
Not saying that it'd work better, if even that, but...
@@marcm8665 wouldn‘t happen if someone would consult people who know the nature from the start. Any species going extinct can kill an entire ecosystem. Moral of the story consider nature from the start and nobody needs to get annoyed by it :)
@@nicholasleclerc1583 Texas is attempting a private high speed rail system that is 100% private and they still run into problems with land acquisition and environmental issues. And that's Texas possibly the most friendly state to business.
Here's another point: In the USA, when a train derails and blocks the route, the mess can be often be cleared from an adjacent road. How would you do that with a stuck pod in a sewer pipe? You do not.
A stuck pod in a sewer pipe 😂😂😂😂 I can’t
rotor rooter to the rescue
Easy.
All you need is a big ass toilet plunger.
@@Pineapple_Pizza1 which creates a vacuum 😂. Only issue: inside the tube is already a vacuum.
@@Pineapple_Pizza1 🤣🤣🤣
You forgot about the part where the heart was missing from the patient, pods going at any speed will need to slow down at a terminal meaning that if there is a pile up incoming pods will just crash, not to mention that the pods need to be vacuumed before entering the chamber to not ruin the speeds which means they can't deploy the pods as fast as they would like
It's not dumb, it's like so many projects only set up and intended to take money from investor or to launder money.
Why does the pod need to look so aerodynamic if it's travelling in a near vacuum? Reminds me of movies putting wings on starships that have no need to go into a planet's atmosphere.
Keyword “near.” They’re trying to squeeze every ounce of speed out of it as they can.
@@corksucker near enough to boil the oxygen out of your blood
@@corksucker if it's even a _near_ vacuum, the few remaining particles would never be able to act like air.
@@dhruvtukadiya why not? That’s exactly what they are, isn’t it?
@@corksucker A near vacuum environment has so few particles that they simply cannot provide any resistance to matter (that's the whole point of a vacuum). So trying to make an aerodynamic design for such an environment is just increasing drag.
Also, why hurry the container the last few kilometers after sitting on a ship for weeks?
It's just a concept. Once they figure out faster-than-light transportation, they can use it to make up earlier delays.
So much this. A big part of logistics is planning. They slow down ships on purpose to safe on fuel costs. They can afford to do this because they planned their supply lines months in advance. Those few minutes saved in the end is not going to matter at all lol.
@survivaltest 370 Nah, use my new idea, the Hyperrocket.
@@renerpho lmao!
@@qty1315 the comment section is comedy gold lol
The use of the word “pod(s)” should be an immediate criterion for loud laughter of an impractical solution.
Before they build some sort of hyperloop in Germany, please fix the Deutsche Bahn first and then realise, that - after the fix of course - you don't need a hyperloop system anymore.
This is ‘bong’ science. It falls apart the moment the high wears off. We really have to discourage dropping huge sums on such projects just because we can.
Aahahah first time I hear somebody use the term which I coined in my head.... Explained exactly as I also think of it
Exactly, like all those idiots that believed that humans could fly one day.
This is... yeah this is oddly specific but incredibly accurate
Oh beautiful ... BONG SCIENCE ... ROTFLMAO.
I'll poblably call this "Bugman Science"...
As a German I can tell you one thing: You dont want to buy a straight line of land in Germany, trust me.
I trust you, but I wonder why?
@@Karak-_- Because every piece of land is owned by someone and unlike the US the pieces are pretty small. So you have to buy a lot of them from various owners who often dont want to sell.
The next problem are the neighbours. If you want to build something, the neighbours can raise an objection, which will atleast cost you a lot of time before you can start construction (again you have a lot of neighbours and some will for sure have a problem).
Even governmental projects sometimes struggle with those problems.
@@timiwer Thanks for assuring me that the Hyperport can never be built :)
Brenner basis tunnel 😅
@@timiwer the whole project would've looked like an awkward spider net💀