How To Check If Your Amazing Barn Find Actually Runs - Truck Yeah!
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- You found a fantastic vintage car for cheap. But is it really worth repairing, or is it a dud?
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It is worth saying that even if a "barn find" has no compression when you turn the engine it isn't necessarily the end of the road. Over the time that the vehicle has sat the piston rings can stick in their grooves on the piston or the valves can stick in the open position. It is worth taking the rocker or cam cover off to check that everything is moving freely. If it is, try putting a bit of diesel down the cylinders and leaving it for a week. The diesel will soften and partially dissolve any carbon build up in the ring grooves so you might find that when you turn the engine over again a week later the rings have freed up and you have compression again. Similarly if the valves are sticking try dosing them with penetrating oil once or twice a day over a week or so and then try again. That often gets things moving again. Generally though, with a barn find it would be best to assume that the engine is going to need a full rebuild as particularly with vehicles like this that have probably spent a good chunk of their later working life as off-road transport there isn't any road-worthiness testing done so they only get put aside when a major mechanical problem that renders them useless occurs and that often means the engine...
how guy from scooby doo get a job at Jalopnik?
I am really starting to prefer Jalopnik over Motor Trend. They are not full with commercials and stuff during the video where it gets on your nerves, i like that :)
***** Just wait a couple of months. There's going to be a buttload of ads if they want to do anything that actually requires a budget.
ilvanezzo Unfortunately this is could be true
InfamousGamingNZ I'm not talking about ads on youtube, I mean they could also bring ads inside their videos l
Don't need to see things that go fast (every channel does that), do want to see more videos like this one on getting what others consider 'basket cases' going.
Spearfisher1970 Then my friend check out my channel.
Spearfisher1970 check out heliarche :)
FrankTheCat Yea, pretty much everything I get is a lost cause in many people's eyes. If it weren't that way I wouldn't be able to afford it!
heliarche Same - fun projects from cheap vehicles are the way any of us non-wealthy folk get to play.
You guys should take a look at the Saab Sonett I picked up and patched together.
Stuck valves probably if it actually ran when parked. Take off the valve cover, oil the stems and manually move them around.
heliarche i second this .... at worst just a light tap on the adjuster when its rocking, As long as it springs back up and doesnt stay down to get smacked by the piston..
Mr Me You can take the rockers off so you won't hurt the adjusters. Then you'll rotate the engine so that piston is down when you whack the valve. Rawhide or poly mallet works fine. If you can pump compressed air in as you do it that's even better. And some good penetrating oil. Hopefully this one didn't get scrapped. As shabby as it looks, I could work with it.
+heliarche erreur merci d'en informer
that or stuck rings
Or rings and valves are stuck. Scouts have become extremely valuable so it's still worth tearing the engine down and doing either a ring/ valve job with new bearings or a full overhaul depending on what you find.
I always get impress at the knowledge of Tavarish.
the other guy dosnt know shit
He didn't pull the valve cover to check if the valves were stuck when it got no compression. Just sayin.
I've got a 1961 Scout 80, my favorite part is that the wipers are pneumatic so when you are on the gas, the wipers don't work!
Andy Hodapp My '66 800 is the same. Always entertaining to new riders.
Andy Hodapp Share some photos on facebook.com/scout80800s!
+Andy Hodapp I had a '68 when I was young. The fuel pump failed and I had to replace it. The replacement had an air pump on the top end that you plumbed into the vacuum line for the wipers. Then the wipers worked all the time, woo hoo!
+crusinscamp Damn, that's a pretty sweet idea they had, wonder why it didn't catch on, sounds like something owners of cars with vacuum powered wipers would LOVE to have available.
I would relate but my 64' has no carb and 3rd gear is non existent. And trying to find a t14 trannie for a decent price is challenging lmao
I love this. I would love to see videos like this made of every encounter with this Scout until it is scampering, tires deflated, through the sandy pathways of the Outer Banks. Or you know down the driveway or whatever.
I may have missed it, but does anyone have an idea how long this thing was sitting? Cause recently my father and I found a 1972 AMC Gremlin 17 year barn find, and it is really nice, and is ready to be put on the road. It seems like the way you store these vehicles really changes everything.
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***** Please do.
Jalopnik Is it okay if I steal other stuff from you
pippensculps Just Ballaban.
Jalopnik I don't know what that means, forgot I even made the comment. Thanks Leinenkugel! I wouldn't steal nothin anyhow.
+Andrew Scarella Skid Marx!! First Album can be Check Your Drawers~!~
As a Russian, "Tovaresh" is the word for "friend" or "comrade". He totally fits the name doesnt he.
Thanks for the video.
.A couple points, putting oil with no zinc in an old motor is bad, they need zinc to lube the cam and lifters. Valves are most likely stuck resulting in no compression, remove the valve cover and pop the valves with a rubber mallet to free them. Lastly, why do you need to turn the engine with a breaker bar when it already turned over on the starter? Enjoyed the video, let me know if you need a junk tech guy, I've worked on garbage like this for years.
my uncle one of these, nice project. pro tip for the dude pouring the oil in from the typical 1 liter bottles shown in the video, try rotating the bottle 180° so the neck is the high part of the bottle when pouring. the oil will stop gluggling out, and will pour smoothly. there's a reason most oil bottles are that shape. give it a try.
im with everyone here, post updates pls. mad project
UPDATE vid and get that classic going!
He sold this one when he moved, but got another one. Go read some at Jalopnik, and he talks all about it.
Good Stuff....You and Tavarish make a good team. I.hope you continue with Project Scout and bring the beast back to life.
Those old scout slants were hard to kill !!! When I picked up my 67, 196 scout, a little cleanup, carb rebuild,, it ran !!? After decades of sitting !
That Scout has always been 12v. The resistor you found is more that likely the ballast resistor for the ignition system. Also, I'm guessing it has some bent push tubes from stuck valves. I've had that happen on engines that have sat for several years. Not a big deal to just break the valves loose with a hammer.
I am very interested in seeing this become a series until you get that running. Not necessarily a whole reconstruction of the whole truck but just getting it to run all together. It'd certainly great to see that
One of my first jobs growing up in Hawaii was being a delivery driver for "Chicos" pizza. That company had a fleet of six of these little trucks like the one on this video. They all burned propane for fuel for some bizarre reason. I have to tell you that those trucks were bullet proof as I beat them with no mercy when I delivered pizzas. I found a little trick that I would amuse myself with. If I were to pass by one of my friends home, I would turn off the ignition key for about two seconds while the truck was rolling and to let excess propane into the engine then I would turn the key back on and then the propane would ignite with explosive force and a huge, LOUD bang would occur! I sure got a lot of laughs doing this.
Good humor. The scout was an awesome machine.
hint: the starter motor is DC. It can be driven either way by swapping the +ve & -ve terminals. ( it also acts as a generator if driven ). Therefore, if in doubt on whether you have a negative or positive earth vehicle.. click the starter quickly. If the starter goes backwards, swap the battery terminals over. I say "starter" since the solenoid ( that big ol can on top of the starter motor.. may not throw out with reversed polarity so all you'd get then is a reverse spinning electric motor - not connected to an engine. I know AC Alternators are way more efficient.. but you just can't have this kinda fun eh..
Yea man, definitely do the critter check. I picked up an 81 Rabbit. Five miles down the road I was getting attacked by bees at 50 MPH. They were nesting in between the passenger door and the A pillar.
+heliarche My '71 Lincoln came with roaches.
Nice that feature is a nice feature included
Oh my god that is so scary! I don't know what I would have done with bees flying in my car and shit.
+mohamad hamad Not much to do but get it stopped as quickly as you can and get the hell out!
blow it up
Best presenter on Jalopnik's channel BY FAR. Definitely want more videos about the scout! Keep on truckin' Truck Yeah!
Got my 64 at an action , one owner with 16000 original miles , got the hole history from his son , sat for years but kept inside , few dents but I love the thing and now my 7 year old grandson claims it .
Great video guys! Really informative. I hope you continue with the rebuild, I'd love to see this old girl hit the road again.
I love this.
HOWEVER...you guys killed me dumping the oil out of the bottle in the wrong direction. Opening up is much more controllable!
I'm commenting as I watch the vid. There's a hundred and one secret formulas for unsticking a humidity locked engine. Mine is to flood the cylinders with 50/50 marvel and kerosene for a week. If that doesn't do it, get some engine oil and heat it until it's smoking, VERY flammable at this point so be careful, and dump some of it in each cylinder. Give it half an hour and see if it goes. I don't like to crank a stuck engine with the starter but sometimes you have to...
Reminds me of when I brought my diesel 1980 Scout II home for the first time and spent 3 days trying to get the rig started. Not as simple as turning the key in those old things!
+Mower mudder man in snowy weather up here generally every truck made before 1990 is made into a snow plow since their heavier, hopefully this answers your question :)
A good way to avoid your oil bubbling like that and spilling everywhere when pouring it in is to just turn the bottle so the flat side faces up, it gives the bottle constant air intake so it wont spill everywhere and create even more mess on your engine
Fruck Yeah's content is literally miles ahead of the rest of the shoddy Jalopnik stuff, I love it. And when I say literally, I mean figuratively, s this thing literally will not go anywhere anyhow.
Love it! Start a Kickstarter to get it running.
My dad rescued a 1963 series series IV Humber Super Snipe from a wreckers yard for only NZD$250. Only done 62,000 miles it was great mechanically and even the interior was good.
My first car was a 66 scout. The nostalgia in this video...
Mine too, +Leatherman78! Got any pics of it? Would love to have you post a few on facebook.com/scout80800s!
Yes! More videos like this! And more with this guy! I like his smile!
Get a reman Holley with the clear glass float bowl cover. Super handy!
This made me want to start disassembling and cleaning up the 360 FE V8 motor that I've got sitting in my garage on a tire. For that, I say thank you.
That was great would love to seem more of this Scout, keep going, wack the valves, new spark plugs and try to start it, you'd be surprised how little it takes to get it going. Please give it a try and dont scrap it.
+Chuckles, check out facebook.com/scout80800s for more Scout pix.
What do you do to get that barn find going? Maybe pulling the valve cover off and confirming that the cams/rockers are activating the valves... fun video all the same.
+mungewell Yeah an old engine like that is not hard to remove and tear down. Probably would have been the best place to start anyways just assume it's shit and rebuild it and learn something in the process.
got to appreciate the scout, i have 2 Australian "61" IH scout 80's my self
Umm.. you know it's easier to put oil in when you turn the bottle the other way right? smoother flow and it doesn't come out so suddenly...
+Dylan Stassen (Bassman415) I thought only 15 year old girls put umm before everything they say. Thanks for teaching me differently.
Glad I could help!
+Jsomedaysoon Thompson Ummm, nope, wrong on that one.
You guys rock... You're funny together, and showed the viewer a lot! Great video. I wanna see Andrew and Tavarish totally restore this whole truck. I will sit through the 6000 hours of video....
Best moment in the video:
Tavarish: "You can still get drunk..."
Andrew: (relieved) "Oh, good, good...."
on those old box style frames, you would always check for rust there before u did any motor work.
GREAT video! I just stumbled across this earlier in the week. What's happened to it since? What's your vision for it?
Where is the second video where you get it running. I'm sure there are stuck valves and 100 other issues but with the internet theses days everyone can work on old broke down stuff and usually find the parts they need. I would have purchased this and for any reason you couldn't get it running it can always be a part vehicle for yourself or others, and still no money lost. Dismantling and cleaning of every part is often required on any vehicle that sits for years. That's when you get the truest connection to the vehicle, it feels like you've resurrected or hand built it, and it gives you something very productive to do.
Don't want to knock on something I don't know here. Hope you don't throw that carb away though. There is usually life in those things if you have the patience.
10w-40 motorcycle oil is what I use on any RUNNING engine with a flat tappet lifter cam. The bike oil isn't as heavily regulated by the EPA and thus its lubricative properties are far superior.
why dont you free the valves then you can start it. it doesnt need a rebuild. jeez.
+ShnitzlHaus +1...The one cylinder with pressure was probably the one with it's valves stuck on the compression stroke...Took the time to remove and check carb before even trying to start the thing but never pulled the valve cover off to check that. Don't get me wrong, I like "Jalopnik", but these two guys did not exactly blow me away with their knowledge in this video.
+ShnitzlHaus exactly. it isn't a race car, just get her to run and she will be fine.
+Max Speedster Yep, it was like watching one guy with a little bit of mechanical knowledge and another with none, trying to do something best left to credible mechanics... This Scout looks like it could be a runner in no time. You want to see cars that actually SHOULD be passed up being brought back to life, try ColdWarMotors that guy and his buddies save truly trashed old cars all the time.
thanks for the tip
+MISTERComaToes I've been watching those guys for awhile now. They don't even bother with barn finds, those were stored indoors. Nah, they get the field finds with more rust than metal and make them move again. Pretty cool stuff.
I have a 1963 pick up version, thats been a family hunting truck. very durable mine is so beat up but still runs will loads of torque. What book do you have i really need one for mine so i can do a rebuild.
That's a nice little scout there. Would be fun to work on. My father had one when I was a little kid and one day I will to hopefully.
This was like when my friends who don't work on cars everyday ask me to help them with their barn find.
I saw that PB Blaster, shit is a lifesaver in these situations!
should've popped the valve covers made sure those things were free. maybe yall did and didn't get it on film.
anyways. we'd all like a follow-up on this scout. PLEEEEEASE!
I like see people do compression tests probably should be the first thing you do. I find a high percentage of people skip the basics.
Hahaha, greasy with a heart of gold just fits so perfectly for Tavarish.
Great vid. Good stuff! Please More! ;) Keep us up on the evolution of this truck. Please. Cheers
Someone in my neighborhood is letting a 1986 silverado sit in the grass, and it has over 200,000 miles on it. Its is a little rusty, but no holes in the panels or anything. I want to see if it runs and drives and i have little mechanical experience. Im very interested in it, and now i know what to do (with the help of an experienced relative)
If you pour oil with the top on the high side vs. the low side, counter to what would seem right, you'll spill less.
Rich E
Before you ever start this kind of find, never start it with the key...Unhook the coil wire and use a remote start(hooks to the starter motor)and rotate the engine this way...That way if any critter that may have chewed thru the wiring under dash does not catch fire...Always let your Mystery Oil sit for a couple hours prior to rotating the engine over...If it's an automatic check the fluid prior to starting also...Have a great day...
What with the rust (7:58) and the required work on the motor, it seems the only thing stopping that Scout from being a hopeless, helpless, hapless, lost cause is the fact that it is not wrecked. Otherwise it would only be good as a parts car, in my allegedly humble opinion.
Please, please share the whole build!!!
this the first rig you guys have started?
i would put some ATF in the cylinders for a few days and come back and try it. My guess is that your compression will come back. Then pour some gas into the intake adn fire it right up.
lol my uncles got 1 in the woods ive been drooling over that and a l110 stepside international pickup. And a bunch of c30s and 80 model fords and tiny s10s i was like damn let me have all of these lol.
I'd also like to see a resurrection! Great vid.
"We can still get drunk" haha love it
How many white t shirts does it take to start an old messy scout?
No compression is probably stuck valves, pull the cover and wiggle them, they'd probably start to close.
Vehicles that actually work are for chumps.
Same with laptops. My "vintage" IBM thinkpad can take a macbook any day.
Well done guys, great video.
Did you ever do anything with the Scout or plan to?
The lack of compression is probably due to stuck valves hit them with a lubricant and break them loose and it will probably we compression.
0 PSI of compression? Something is wrong with that compression tester. To get 0 PSI, the piston from that cyl would need to be missing entirely.
+scrfce123 Stuck valve maybe ?
+Juan Gil Yep ...or a bent valve that won't seat.
+Juan Gil Stuck VALVES plural. It's why they should have taken the valve cover off and sprayed some penetrating oil on the valve stems while tapping the rocker if they could have loosened the valves up first they might have gotten this thing running.
Eh, find a dirtcheap carby to put on it, drown it in gas to get that one cylinder that has compression firing, and it might beat the other valves loose, or the gunk buildup on them anyway. Just today i got an old Volvo running again, it had NO compression measurable, but a lot of cranking and pouring fuel into the busted carburetors had it running like a champ in just half an hour. Now, to rebuild those fuelsquirters...
I have a 72 Travelall. It's my daily driver. Internationals are the best!
you could get these with a 396 V-8... I had to use one to move boats around working for my father in law... his had no gas tank or brakes, but it had tons of torque.
that would be 304, sorry... I was told it was a 396, but that is a Chevy motor.
+flagemdown66 you can only get the scout 800 with the 304, not the scout 80.
6:45 Moobs to the max
Lol
Are you going to investigate the low compression ?
Really nice video and camera work
More of this please!
You're supposed to pour mmo in the intake and plug holes let it sit then spin and repeat
I need the Myer plow pump. Those things are about 600 bucks new.
Autozone oil??? Does anyone really use that on their daily? I'm literally curious as to how it works... my little saturn likes to use up oil and if Autozone oil is good I might top it off with that..
Nice 4runner in the background!
If one of your cylinders measure nothing.....then ok, if 2 or more measure nothing you have a gauge problem, or more than likely you have valves stuck open.
Even if you had no rings on the piston, you would get 5 pounds or so. If you have a stuck valve (probably) you will not get anything.
When you cranked the engine it turned the cam and pushed the valves open, however since they were corroded or rusty they jammed in the guides leaving both intake and exhaust valves open. Since this is not an interference engine the piston will not contact the valve.
Take the valve cover off, spray the valves with ''let go'' and give them a few gentle taps right on the top of the spring, valve, keeper assembly with a piece of hard wood and a hammer (don't pound on the valve with the metal hammer)
Crank the engine a see that the springs are returning the valves.
Repeat process. If you have really stuck valves you will have to take the head off and disassemble the valve/spring/keepers. knock the valve out and probably have to replace the guide.
Hey Andrew maybe you could do a video on how to pour out of the correct side of a bottle of oil. ;-) 🔧🚙
So can someone please tell me what the jack looking thing is on the front bumper of the rig???
The marvel mystery oil ejected from the engine from all 4 cylinders and you guys think the cylinders have 0 psi of compression? You have stuck valves buddy. The one cylinder that had compression was stuck on the compression stroke while the others were on different cycles.
400 bucks for an afternoon of beers? I'll pass.
jospi2 What are you even doing on jalopnik?!
What were the yellow things in the front?
Best yet!
...love this stuff man....
This was interesting! And, very different!
+Jalopnik, what's the latest on the IH ?
Are going to do any thing with scout
if I found an old scout, regardless of the condition, I'd buy it just to part out.
They needed the manual to tell them what wire is negative to hook up on the batter. Stay tuned we will be consulting the manual to tell how much psi is supposed to be in the tires.
I did this and got my dream jeep and is currently being fully rebuilt with new frame and body but everything els is off the barn find
Nice barn find guys, put it back in the barn.
Get a spark plug hole camera and put it down the spark plug holes and into the cylinders