I think Marina has misunderstood the debate between wanting to be a traitor or a faithful. There are other things to consider beyond a position of strength, such as someone who knows they are not comfortable deceiving and lying so give up a degree of strength so as to not get caught immediately. Or someone who genuinely wants to play the game and puzzle it out. Boiling it down to traitors = clever and faithfuls = idiots is a terrible take on it.
plus it doesn't really matter as you don't get to choose anyway. It annoys me on the show when someone says 'I voted for you Kevin, because you've got all the traits of a traitor'....herr hellooo, whoever is a traitor did not have a say in it, so that argument is irrelevant.
Casual cruelty seems to be part of her life ethic, it's something that jars with normal people but Marina is able to breeeze through it without a second thought.
So solipsistic; the point of traitors is not to 'win' the money; the point of the program is to illustrate how shitty and small-minded perfectly normal-seeming people can be. The only winners are the audience.
Wanting to be a Faithful on Traitors might not be wanting to win though - being part of that programme is an experience, not necessarily money-motivated
This is absolutely the best podcast on the planet I can’t get enough. I’ve worked in the film industry for 25 years and listening to these two utter legends is just…chefs kiss 👌
Vin Diesel was also in Saving Private Ryan and it was a good performance. He's also good in Pitch Black. Everything went downhill after he became a famous action star IMO.
At about the 35 minute mark, I'm sure Richard set out on a deliberate path to try to exasperate Marina to the point of total breakdown and she got really close.
I have posted this comment on other Goalhanger podcasts, hoping it gets noticed. Please consider doing a Goalhanger wide membership. I can't justify becoming a member of each channel because it would cost more than Netflix. Love all of your pods.
As someone who has never watched a F&F film, it is amazing how many hours of discourse I have heard over the years, none of which is actually about the movies themselves (plot, characters, effects etc.) - it is a strange phenomenon
What a way to find out The Franchise isn't coming back!!! Not enough people watched it rings true because I tried talking about it at work and either no one was interested, heard of it, or found it their thing. I enjoyed it at least.
The whole bit about Rock vs Diesel is so good, I had to comeback and listen to it for the second time. Richard's sarcasm is so on point, peppered amongst Marina's annoyance in her voice. I agree wholeheartedly with all the points :))
I detest that pronunciation especially from intelligent people it's a biographical picture so bio-pic not a pair of overseas private investments corporations.
I say biopic to rhyme with myopic (just think it scans better) but I've heard it said both ways. Sometimes pronunciation does change in portmanteaus, e.g. romcom, sci-fi, emoticon.
My sister was a big Take That and Robbie fan and her view was that this wasn't a movie that she needs to see right now in the cinema. She is happy to wait for it to be available to stream. Also there is an age/demographic factor here as well. I think that may be why it isn't taking a lot of cash right now. I doubt it will be another Shawshank Redemption but I suspect it will make a chunk of the money back once it hits streaming.
Absolutely hilariously funny episode this time round. The “biopic” discussion had me rolling around. I’m with Marina, most musical biopics are sanitised versions that bend the truth for the sake of a good song. Usually so fluffy they’re pointless.
Spot on - I quite enjoyed the recent round of musician biopics, but in no way do I regard them as factual/educational. Can make for a fun fact-checking research session afterwards though.
Yep. This is quality gear. Loled right the way through that last section. Spicy/ argumentative, then quantum positive showbiz speak. 2025 is sucking already for so many reasons, we need a lift. You make a formidable pair. Salut!
Yes, thank you. I find it bizarre that people split the word in the wrong place 'bi-opic' - it makes zero sense, biographical picture... Bio Pic... Bio-pic... Thank you for providing me a place to vent...
Absolutely love the podcasts! Please just for silliness indulge me by introducing yourselves by one another's name? 😂 Yes I know it's ridiculous... But fun! 😊
Disappointed to hear that The Franchise has been cancelled. It took a while for me to get into it but overall I really enjoyed it. I could suggest it wasn’t well marketed and I only knew about it from Marina talking about it. Look forward to hearing about you next project
That's an interesting comment - perhaps I should have perservered. I watched the first episode and it didn't grab me at all. Your comment about the marketing definitely feels relevant - I also only heard about via this podcast and absolutely nobody that I know talked about it either, which is often the way that shows come to my attention.
It's a shame but I'm not surprised, it was a show that was definitely much less than the sum of its parts, much like Iannucci's previous fling Avenue 5. In a better world it'd have been given one or two more seasons to find its feet and get really good (think Always Sunny or Parks & Rec), but that doesn't happen much anymore. Course it's not guaranteed to turn good, after all shows about making shows are always a bit less interesting than people making shows think they are and they tend to tread the same ground over and over.
@@Deedumdee Ideally I’d like to see Armando do something political as that’s where he has excelled. However, he’s not made something I haven’t enjoyed enough to keep watching, inc Av5
There's too much good stuff being made to have a first episode that bad. A sea of the same old shit, everyone's awful, the actors are self-obsessed, blah blah. Every character talks in the same voice, telling barely recycled 'jokes' from Extras and Twenty Twelve and a dozen other dull shows.
So good to see presenters together in a studio, fully engaged with each other and not at home getting distracted by their phones while the other one talks (cough politics cough)
Just a quick fact check. Jason wasn't in F&F until F6. If you need any further in depth analysis on any of the fast and furious franchise you let me know! 🤣
The Robbie Williams as a monkey film makes me want more films where musicians are animals. MC Hammer as a penguin, Chico as a peacock, Nick Knowles as a duck billed platypus. Anyone got any more for the list ?
The only things i have seen on line about robys films is american asking who he is and asking why its even on in the cinima as they wont go see films about some one they dont know.
I feel sorry for Marina, but I hope it wasn’t a ‘labour of love’ because I’m not surprised The Franchise hasn’t been renewed. It was miscast, painfully unfunny and much like Armando Iannucci’s Avenue 5, a real disappointment… especially when compared to his ‘greatest hits’ Alan Partridge, The Thick Of It and Veep!
Canada has been home for productions. Netflix is funding a really funny show about an Inuit woman called North of North in Nunavut in Canada. The Czech Republic is great for fantasy films. And Georgia (in the USA, not the country) has been giving good tax rebates to any show Steve Harvey is in.
Why do they say being recruited as a traitor right at the end is the strongest position? Is it based on the non-british versions (which I haven't seen, so i've no idea)?
To be fair…the Rock, Anthony Joshua and Kevin Hart were all on film for publicity and unless the Boxing Board of Control mismeasured AJ’s height, I think we can see the Rock is at least 6 ft 4 or 5 inches.
I think Marina is lacking understanding. Not everyone in the traitors wants to be a traitor. Some would like to be faithful and not lie and deceive and win. I don't think that is moronic. I think that is people who have certain values.
Dwayne Johnson isn't 6' 5" although that was his WWE billing. There are images of him with Anthony Joshua who is that height and he towers over the rock.
I’m so bored of hearing about traitors! Biopics have their place but they should nod to the creative, fictional elements and not present themselves as pseudo documentaries. Robbie’s movie seems to have done that. Rocketman is the best I’ve seen. Bohemian Rhapsody was awful IMHO (and I’m a huge Queen fan) although I enjoyed Malek’s performance.
Is it me or is the editing in this podcast way too much? Visually it's constantly jumping between the two single shots and the third dual view, there's literally no gap/pause and feels like an overwhelming stream of consciousness. Marina is also full of beans today and I needed her at .75 speed at times. :D
A few possibilities: 1) It hit the news today, while this is filmed in advance of publication. 2) Potential legal issues around defamation. 3) Overall suitability of the subject matter.
Well I certainly hate the franchises both based on comics or cars, maybe seeing Star Wars the original at 11 but by the time of the sequel in my teens so not interested. So imagine what I think about that series, though hilarious when grown men got upset when in returned in 1999 and by their own admission crap!
I agree with Marina about music biopics, I've been a Bob Dylan fan since first hearing him in 1965 aged 11. I have no interest in seeing the biopic, I don't know much about his life other than the music he has made and the point of a generally fictionized film about part of his life makes no sense to me.
I think Marina has misunderstood the debate between wanting to be a traitor or a faithful. There are other things to consider beyond a position of strength, such as someone who knows they are not comfortable deceiving and lying so give up a degree of strength so as to not get caught immediately. Or someone who genuinely wants to play the game and puzzle it out. Boiling it down to traitors = clever and faithfuls = idiots is a terrible take on it.
plus it doesn't really matter as you don't get to choose anyway. It annoys me on the show when someone says 'I voted for you Kevin, because you've got all the traits of a traitor'....herr hellooo, whoever is a traitor did not have a say in it, so that argument is irrelevant.
Marina doesnt consider those who watch the program to see how stupid people are and don’t think much or desire to be either
Casual cruelty seems to be part of her life ethic, it's something that jars with normal people but Marina is able to breeeze through it without a second thought.
So solipsistic; the point of traitors is not to 'win' the money; the point of the program is to illustrate how shitty and small-minded perfectly normal-seeming people can be. The only winners are the audience.
It’s a game, get real.
2Hannibal2Elephant: Carthaginian Drift.
2Thursdays2Murders: The Clubbing
Would really pachyderm in at the cinema :)
@@Wunderpantz 😆
@ That shouldn't be funny but it is.
Mariana is a babe
Wanting to be a Faithful on Traitors might not be wanting to win though - being part of that programme is an experience, not necessarily money-motivated
This is absolutely the best podcast on the planet I can’t get enough. I’ve worked in the film industry for 25 years and listening to these two utter legends is just…chefs kiss 👌
Vin Diesel was also in Saving Private Ryan and it was a good performance. He's also good in Pitch Black.
Everything went downhill after he became a famous action star IMO.
"Pitch Black" CGIs look "oldish", but very good little B movie.
A man apart is also good, before he became an action star.
@ I agree, it's a great little sci-fi movie.
@imbatman6029 I haven't seen A Man Apart but I remember it being around. Maybe I'll give it a go.
Huh, never twigged he was Carpazo.
Justin lin director of fast furious quit becuz of vin ashole behaviour
At about the 35 minute mark, I'm sure Richard set out on a deliberate path to try to exasperate Marina to the point of total breakdown and she got really close.
I have posted this comment on other Goalhanger podcasts, hoping it gets noticed.
Please consider doing a Goalhanger wide membership. I can't justify becoming a member of each channel because it would cost more than Netflix.
Love all of your pods.
Yes! What an excellent idea!
Or you could just pay for ad-free TH-cam
@@FiReadsBooks I already do.
As someone who has never watched a F&F film, it is amazing how many hours of discourse I have heard over the years, none of which is actually about the movies themselves (plot, characters, effects etc.) - it is a strange phenomenon
What a way to find out The Franchise isn't coming back!!! Not enough people watched it rings true because I tried talking about it at work and either no one was interested, heard of it, or found it their thing. I enjoyed it at least.
I don't care about Vin Diesel or The Rock. But the force of habit is such that I'm still watching this video.
Hannibal would be cheap to film. Elephants never forget their lines.
😂
Don't remember elephants in the A-Team
It’s all fun and games until the elephants start eating the rude
The whole bit about Rock vs Diesel is so good, I had to comeback and listen to it for the second time. Richard's sarcasm is so on point, peppered amongst Marina's annoyance in her voice. I agree wholeheartedly with all the points :))
Crying with laughter at Vin and The Rock. One of the best episodes yet. 'Bi-Opic' though argh.
As an American, I was just thinking, “is that how they say it?”
I detest that pronunciation especially from intelligent people it's a biographical picture so bio-pic not a pair of overseas private investments corporations.
Bio-pic NOT biopic (rhyming with myopic). Love a biopic.
Surely Bio Pic, as in Biography Picture, not Biopic pronounced like Bionic or Myopic?!
That grinds my gears too. But language evolves, I suppose.
...towards perfection? like human beings!??😅 I also hear A.S.A.P. (as soon as possible) pronounced asap.
I say biopic to rhyme with myopic (just think it scans better) but I've heard it said both ways. Sometimes pronunciation does change in portmanteaus, e.g. romcom, sci-fi, emoticon.
Fast Five is 2011, not 2016. Come on guys, one of cinemas all time classics. Everyone knows that.
The thing I love most about the franchise is that the fifth film was the masterpiece.
Pure joy listening to you two talk. Thank you
A good mix of knowledge and dad jokes 😊
They didn’t rush Red One onto streaming, it was always scheduled to be on Prime Video for Christmas 2024.
I want to see the Vin Diesel epic of the Hannibal story.
Nice one Richard. "Or driving a Chinook into a car" 🤣
Re: the More in Common poll, let's just remember that survey results are produced from people who spend their free time completing surveys...
Marina, don't relent. It's candy-aahss.
This is such a funny episode, I really enjoyed watching you both discuss Mr Diesel
Elephants at a ski resort. Just keep them away from the ski jump. Eddy the Elephant!
My sister was a big Take That and Robbie fan and her view was that this wasn't a movie that she needs to see right now in the cinema. She is happy to wait for it to be available to stream. Also there is an age/demographic factor here as well. I think that may be why it isn't taking a lot of cash right now. I doubt it will be another Shawshank Redemption but I suspect it will make a chunk of the money back once it hits streaming.
Absolutely hilariously funny episode this time round. The “biopic” discussion had me rolling around. I’m with Marina, most musical biopics are sanitised versions that bend the truth for the sake of a good song. Usually so fluffy they’re pointless.
Spot on - I quite enjoyed the recent round of musician biopics, but in no way do I regard them as factual/educational. Can make for a fun fact-checking research session afterwards though.
Yep. This is quality gear.
Loled right the way through that last section. Spicy/ argumentative, then quantum positive showbiz speak.
2025 is sucking already for so many reasons, we need a lift.
You make a formidable pair. Salut!
On returning to the F&F franchise, The Rock was quoted saying 'Daddy's gotta go to work'.
The way Marina says ‘biopic’ makes me want to remove my ears
Yes, thank you. I find it bizarre that people split the word in the wrong place 'bi-opic' - it makes zero sense, biographical picture... Bio Pic... Bio-pic...
Thank you for providing me a place to vent...
Absolutely love the podcasts! Please just for silliness indulge me by introducing yourselves by one another's name? 😂 Yes I know it's ridiculous... But fun! 😊
Disappointed to hear that The Franchise has been cancelled. It took a while for me to get into it but overall I really enjoyed it. I could suggest it wasn’t well marketed and I only knew about it from Marina talking about it. Look forward to hearing about you next project
That's an interesting comment - perhaps I should have perservered. I watched the first episode and it didn't grab me at all. Your comment about the marketing definitely feels relevant - I also only heard about via this podcast and absolutely nobody that I know talked about it either, which is often the way that shows come to my attention.
It's a shame but I'm not surprised, it was a show that was definitely much less than the sum of its parts, much like Iannucci's previous fling Avenue 5. In a better world it'd have been given one or two more seasons to find its feet and get really good (think Always Sunny or Parks & Rec), but that doesn't happen much anymore. Course it's not guaranteed to turn good, after all shows about making shows are always a bit less interesting than people making shows think they are and they tend to tread the same ground over and over.
@@Deedumdee Ideally I’d like to see Armando do something political as that’s where he has excelled. However, he’s not made something I haven’t enjoyed enough to keep watching, inc Av5
@@Nomoreanons - I was the same. One and done. Thought Episodes was much better on studio politics and BTS insight.
There's too much good stuff being made to have a first episode that bad.
A sea of the same old shit, everyone's awful, the actors are self-obsessed, blah blah. Every character talks in the same voice, telling barely recycled 'jokes' from Extras and Twenty Twelve and a dozen other dull shows.
So good to see presenters together in a studio, fully engaged with each other and not at home getting distracted by their phones while the other one talks (cough politics cough)
Say Nothing was my best watch of 2024.
Just a quick fact check. Jason wasn't in F&F until F6. If you need any further in depth analysis on any of the fast and furious franchise you let me know! 🤣
Richard. Book sorting and Music Biopics..........We are on the same page 😆
I’m gutted about The Franchise! I loved that show and really wanted to see what would happen next
Please stop mispronouncing bio-pic as bi-opic. Bio-pic is a portmanteau of "Biography Picture"; not "Two Oxford Partical Imaging Centre".
Brilliant episode, Richard was on fire!
Richard Osman is so casually funny.
I'm impressed that Marina knows about the Lykan Hypersport.
Thank you for the early upload🙂🙂
I'll watch chasing rainbows with Richard, definitely a film that would be going for gold.
I'll chip in 20 quid to GoFund Elephant Ski Sunday with Vin Diesel 🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🎿
Funny how there is no talk about why The Franchise was cancelled?
I’m pretty sure that just listening to them recap the whole Vin Diesel/Dwayne Johnson saga has made me lose brain cells.
Traitors is the Emperors’ Clothes of television. You have to join the sycophantic crowd but in reality it’s boring!
Marina's reaction to the traitor/faithful statistic couldn't have made it more obvious how staunch Tory she seems to be 😂
Please talk about the Masked Singer on Thursday, it was such a car crash to watch!
Richard Osman : Big Vin Diesel energy
The Robbie Williams as a monkey film makes me want more films where musicians are animals. MC Hammer as a penguin, Chico as a peacock, Nick Knowles as a duck billed platypus. Anyone got any more for the list ?
Who is Richards tailor ....??
Non-Stop Beef. Tuesday's Bottomless Brisket Special at your local Toby Carvery
do we think its just a marketing feud
It’s bio-pic NOT bi-opic FFS. Saying “bi-opic” is even worse than the idiots who say defiantly when they mean definitely.
I thoroughly enjoy a biopic, especially a musical one. 😂😂
The Vin Diesel / Dwayne Johnson thing makes me think are they trying to be this generations Andy Kaufman / Jerry Lawler on Letterman?
Loving the podcast #GetVDUpanAlp This hashtag shouldn’t have been shortened
The Rock vs Vin Diesel thing was really thin, just a few minor incidents and the rest just press speculation.
Really surprised Richard has not seen Citizen Kane.
Actually vin wearing elevator shoes to make him taller..what a loser😂😂😂
Vin Diesel's first film was the self-directed 'Multi-Facial' and it is sensitive and complex.
The Hannibal movie could be called By and Large
The Australian (my) Government put up HOW MUCH money???????? We're never getting that very fast train, are we...
I'd like to know where Marina got that figure...
@@grantc61 probably diet and exercise
@@grantc61 diet and exercise
They haven’t spent that much money. It’s revenue not received due to not charging taxes.
@@Montycat78comment of the day!!!!
What day is it?
The only things i have seen on line about robys films is american asking who he is and asking why its even on in the cinima as they wont go see films about some one they dont know.
I feel sorry for Marina, but I hope it wasn’t a ‘labour of love’ because I’m not surprised The Franchise hasn’t been renewed. It was miscast, painfully unfunny and much like Armando Iannucci’s Avenue 5, a real disappointment… especially when compared to his ‘greatest hits’ Alan Partridge, The Thick Of It and Veep!
I would love to see the Shed Seven biopic!
Maxine Peak is really good in Say Nothing
Canada has been home for productions. Netflix is funding a really funny show about an Inuit woman called North of North in Nunavut in Canada. The Czech Republic is great for fantasy films. And Georgia (in the USA, not the country) has been giving good tax rebates to any show Steve Harvey is in.
Got coffee in my nose from ‘algorithm frotter’
Boiler Room is a super move btw.
Why do they say being recruited as a traitor right at the end is the strongest position? Is it based on the non-british versions (which I haven't seen, so i've no idea)?
By the way - Better Man does not feature Robbie Williams body. He's played by an actor who's head is replaced with the monkey.
To be fair…the Rock, Anthony Joshua and Kevin Hart were all on film for publicity and unless the Boxing Board of Control mismeasured AJ’s height, I think we can see the Rock is at least 6 ft 4 or 5 inches.
Robbie Williams is only "huge" in the UK. His status elsewhere is negligible. Better Man is a "huge" mistake.
what on earth did Marina say at 14:52???!!!
There's nothing left in LA
Disingenuousness, thy name is "we love the francise."
Surely a Woke Vin Diesel would have preferred the name 'Vin-Ev'?
I think Marina is lacking understanding. Not everyone in the traitors wants to be a traitor. Some would like to be faithful and not lie and deceive and win. I don't think that is moronic. I think that is people who have certain values.
I've just seen Leo Decaprio in B and M , Widnes. Is it the New Hollywood?
Dwayne Johnson isn't 6' 5" although that was his WWE billing. There are images of him with Anthony Joshua who is that height and he towers over the rock.
Please make a film called Big Unit! 😂
Please make Chasing Rainbows: a Shed Seven story!😂
Better Man is a great watch and I would recommend it to anyone.
No live elephants please. Cruel. But love the idea. Get Weta workshop to make the elephants
I thought the Astrologer is Vanessa Diesel, Van to her friends and family I expect.
I’m so bored of hearing about traitors! Biopics have their place but they should nod to the creative, fictional elements and not present themselves as pseudo documentaries. Robbie’s movie seems to have done that. Rocketman is the best I’ve seen. Bohemian Rhapsody was awful IMHO (and I’m a huge Queen fan) although I enjoyed Malek’s performance.
Is it me or is the editing in this podcast way too much? Visually it's constantly jumping between the two single shots and the third dual view, there's literally no gap/pause and feels like an overwhelming stream of consciousness. Marina is also full of beans today and I needed her at .75 speed at times. :D
1st day on TH-cam?
@@johnnycombs6570No
Safer Things… the spin off from Stranger Things
Who is a robby williams?
Why aren't they covering the Neil Gaiman story? Surely, that's a big story.
A few possibilities:
1) It hit the news today, while this is filmed in advance of publication.
2) Potential legal issues around defamation.
3) Overall suitability of the subject matter.
it tells us that there are a lot of saddos in the world
I skipped half of this podcast as I don’t care about The Rock and I don’t care about The Traitors (and don’t understand the obsession with these).
Does anybody really care about The Rock or Vin Diesel? I don't think I've ever seen any of their films, as I have more than one brain cell.
Marina is undoubtedly the star of this podcast. She’s magnetic, both to watch and listen to.
Vin Diesel is not his real name. He was born Gaylord Lovelace Wildergreene Sinclair
Love this and I hate films!😂
Well I certainly hate the franchises both based on comics or cars, maybe seeing Star Wars the original at 11 but by the time of the sequel in my teens so not interested.
So imagine what I think about that series, though hilarious when grown men got upset when in returned in 1999 and by their own admission crap!
Same for me!
Finally someone hammering biopics! Marina has exactly articulated why I get nothing out of them.
I agree with Marina about music biopics, I've been a Bob Dylan fan since first hearing him in 1965 aged 11. I have no interest in seeing the biopic, I don't know much about his life other than the music he has made and the point of a generally fictionized film about part of his life makes no sense to me.
Pitch Vin Diesel's elephant epic as a right-wing anti-woke crusade and Musk will bankroll the whole thing