I love the Pod but if they’re going to debate this stuff they have to have the facts straight. The reason the dad is being charged is because the FBI already visited the family and made them aware of these threats. The father still decided to buy his son a gun a couple months later. If your kid is making threats about shooting up a school and you buy them a gun knowing this then you should be charged. There’s really nothing to debate in my opinion
All facts and I agree but even if the FBI didn't I still put the responsibility on the parent to make sure that gun is in a gun locker or in a position where as the parent you distribute it until your son/daughter is of age. If the parent is supplying the gun thats fine to me. But you accept and mantle that responsibility.
I think because they are in an urban center, they don’t have to pay this ish much attention. There are so many details they aren’t addressing… because it don’t apply like it does outside of the city.
Mel made a great point! You should not give a child a weapon with the ability to murder people before they are able to think critically and regulate their emotions.
@@AaronLewis06That’s not a slippery slope at all. You’re basically saying you should allow kids to have guns just because there are adults with guns that are as irresponsible as children with guns. That’s like someone saying 14 year olds shouldn’t be having sex when they don’t fully grasp the risks or consequences, and then you say, _”yeah but there are adults that have sex irresponsibly too, so it becomes a slippery slope”_ lmao. No, that doesn’t make a slippery slope, 14 year olds still shouldn’t be having sex 😭 The fact that there are Incompetent adults with guns doesn’t change the fact that 14 year olds shouldn’t have guns, let alone one who made death threats. Those two things actually don’t relate at all lol.
@@BrotherMalMusic the real issue isn’t them buying him a gun though it’s the south that’s normal practice the issue isn’t them Giving him boundaries with that firearm
inner city kids parents do you need to be held accountable for their actions? That’s why they’re doing what they’re doing now because there’s no accountability or discipline in the home. These parents neglect their child or just let them produce all hell and then we’ll look at you sideways if you try and correct the child. So yes, these parents do need to be held accountable. For example, there was a 12 year old child in Rockville, Maryland breaking in to all the luxury car dealerships. He broke into Range Rover, Audi, BMW, Porsche. And walked around the showroom until he found keys and when he did find keys, he drove those cars off the lot cause tons and damages to all these different dealerships and the reason he was able to get out and do it again and again and again is because he’s a child And they cannot charge a child with this kind of crime. so in this case, the parent should be charged because first, why is your child accounted for you should know where your child is at all times. Then second you clearly failed your child when they think it’s OK to break into a dealership and still cars. You’ve clearly missed the signs and did not teach them when they were young. That stealing is bad and has consequences. When I was a child and I got caught stealing in a store. My mother told me what I was doing was wrong and could lend me in jail and scared me in that store real good. And when we got home, I got an ass whooping too and never did it again.
Most of the time those youth end up being held accountable because they're in prison or jail. People forget when that kid shot up that theatre the police gave him McDonald's.
@@TruthDefined4life the sad part is this has happened so much that we get it confused. But no it was a theatre in Colorado. James Holmes. Technically he wasn't a kid but its the same senseless violence.
Why would anyone be okay with handing a 14 yo kid an assault rifle??? Like what- We're not giving them weed, alcohol, etc. but a high-powered rifle??? Disgusting
If you as a parent KNOW your child has issues and you give them a gun yes you are just as much to blame. Now that said if it isn't known then no. But firearms at all times should be locked up and a child shouldn't have access to it unless the parents are there
As a mother myself. You know if something is wrong with your child. Now, whether you choose to do something about it and help your child is different. SOME parents don’t care and don’t want to be bothered by their kids problems.
He bought his son a weapon that a minor can't even purchase legally. If that kid then uses that weapon in a crime, why wouldn't the parent be liable? Some of these people sound like idiots.
I live 30 mins from the school thank you for recognizing and acknowledging the story. True tragedy. Stuff like this doesn't happen in this area. Wild times are kids are living in
the father was arrested because the signs were definitely there & he was aware : just a year ago the father & son were approached about his behavior @ a different school : he previously made threats online about shooting his current school up @ that time : & now he goes 2 a different school & kills 4 people & shoots numerous people : his father basically is an accomplice because he was FULLY AWARE of everything that was gonna happen : by the way the 14 year old had only been @ that school 4 only 2 days B4 he shot it up smh : I live in georgia so I know all of the details about this situation...
This debate got “heated” amongst friends, now imagine the temperature around the country with different ages, cultures, ethnicity. It’s a tough debate in a country where the very foundation was established by violence
His kid came up on the FBI radar and the local police told the father the red flags that came up a year or so before the shooting. The dad still bought his kid the gun afterwards.
Ish is wrong. There's a distinction between nonfeasance and malfeasance. In his inner city example, the parent isn't giving a gun to person with demonstrated mental health issues. A child doing something wrong and the parents getting in trouble is not unprecedented. It's called child neglect. Also, no one hunts with an assault rifle. There is a distinction between a hunting rifle and an AR-15.
I'm from the South. I teach Southern black children. My mother's family is from a rural area. This is not common for black children. I've encountered TWO black men who hunted with their fathers my entire life that I know personally. This is not a norm here nor is it common.
You think children tell Teacher Carter everything? If that was the case you know how many things would get solved with kids, how many kids could get real help if they "TOLD" you everything. Dont Forget alot of black families be sayin what goes on in this house STAY IN THIS HOUSE PERIODT
Have any of you considered that these parents would be OK with domestic terrorism?! These kids didn't just "come up" with an idea to go kill. It's a mentality.
I agree with Mel. Especially on the point of his village failed him. I think that is a major problem with youth being out of control. They don't have a village.
@@deciuswtasby True. More chances than none, a positive and supportive village doesn't produce dysfunctional beings. Many that are out here are products of not being disciplined, not diagnosed with mental or behavioral disorders, they may have been misdiagnosed or they were diagnosed and their mammy and pappy didn't keep them on their meds and therapy. Don't leave out these females and males all doped up and procreating like crazy and creating these disabled kids. May not be physically disabled, but mentally.
Can't really put the aunt in that because you don't know how involved in his life she was. For all we know maybe she tried to help him. Either way his mother and father are to blame
If you’re aware of your niece/nephews plight, enough to know they’ve been crying out for help for a year, and you ignore it? And then this happens? At bare minimum you’re a garbage bystander.
Ish is right...if you're child gets their license at 16 and soon after racks up a couple of tickets for running stop signs (four in my case😂) you buy their first car anyway hand the keys iver and say be careful baby then the child runs a light and kills somebody...should the parents be charged?
I agree with Joe. Under the correct supervision a 14 year old with an AR is fine. Happens all the time. The defining difference is letting this 14 year old taking an AR to school. Shows volumes of incompetency and bad parenting.
FYI...AR does NOT stand for "assault rifle." AR actually stands for "ArmaLite Rifle" which is the company that developed the rifle. Many companies now make AR style rifles including AR-15s (which are typically the most popular). Gun SAFETY should be MANDATED for anyone who's buying a gun in America. Additionally, individuals UNDER the age of 25 should not be LEGALLY allowed to purchase or own guns in this country (active military excepted while on duty). Their brains are NOT fully formed, and they can't handle the responsibility.
A 14 or 15 yr old should never have an AR. You can say whatever scenario you'd have to protect yourself in, but he was never gonna deal with any of that.
@@nordo555i went to school with over 50+ yt boys who had and have ARs. Their parents promote and exercise gun awareness and responsibility. People who have no concept of weapons don’t realize an AR is semi-auto fire, not rapid which “assault” rifles are. It’s not about the weapon, it’s about the lack of responsibility. He could taken 2 handguns and still shot (sadly) a ton of people
@@deciuswtasby I'm born & raised in Florida so I know all about everybody having a gun & I can say 100% a 14 yr old should not have a AR-15 or any gun. Their parents can own them & teach them with their guns but it's no reason for a kid to have a possible deadly weapon.
Hate how they all missed Ish point. Because its a great one. They keep getting caught up on the father buying the gun and not the overall message of charging parents for the childs actions. And when it hits the black community i guarantee they will all wish they listened now
@Dipset415 they are missing the key vital Information that the FBI visited them a year prior due to the son threatening the school to shoot it and he still bought him a gun.
Once the FBI informs the father of the situation and he buys him an at-15 anyway, he is directly responsible for the actions of his son. It would be different is the son got a gun behind his parents back and they knew nothing of it.
As a parent of a 12, 14 and 15 year old who would be deemed by society as “normal” I fully recognize that they are literally ONE slightly uncomfortable interaction away from losing their shit and doing some fuck shit out of emotional distress. At any given moment. Adults with weapons can barely handle themselves, let alone teens. That’s all I’ll say.
The local police investigated the shooter last year after a tip of him making school shooting threats on Discord. The Dad was there when the cops questioned him and the Dad still gave him an AR-15. The Dad is responsible for this period!
Bruh hunting with your family is not the same as gifting a child a gun. I’m from the south and I would never buy my child an assault rifle. The parents should be charged.
Ish is right...if you're child gets their license at 16 and soon after racks up a couple of tickets for running stop signs (four in my case😂) you buy their first car anyway hand the keys iver and say be careful baby then the child runs a light and kills somebody...should the parents be charged?
@@kauswekazilimani3736 well I guess this is where we're headed...a lot of parents will be going to jail cause there are hundreds of scenarios that are similar to this
@@TXLennyS Good. That's clear negligence. People let familial ties cloud their judgement too much. Why give a child with a history of not following the rules of the road a car? That's dumb. Aside from other people, do they want their own child to die. The kid in question had years of signs that there was something seriously wrong with him. They just didn't care because it was their kid.
No. There's a critical difference. Cars are a mode of transportation that can be dangerous. Guns are tools of death, created for that specific purpose.
Prayers to all involved. Mel, an AR isnt an assault rifle. Don’t speak on firearms if you aren’t versed on them. The issue isn’t purchasing weapons to teach your child how to shoot, it’s the absence of being responsible to remove access to those weapons. That’s why the parents are being charged. Mel is correct that school shootings are happening by a stereotype assailant; however, so are inner city shootings and they happen much more frequently. All of it is sad and the people who keep getting hurt are children
The piece y'all are missing is he was interviewed by the GBI/FBI earlier in the year for posting pics on social media with weapons, and insinuating he was going to do something then. The ball was dropped big time on this case. I like that yall talked about this.
I subscribed based on this talk. The different points of view based on personal ideas is what needs to happen to see every side. Also parent your child.
My high school…. It’s still wild it happened in our small town 😞 2 kids, 2 teachers, 9 injured (8 kids) just to correct wasn’t 30… some kids went to the hospital w anxiety but not gunshot related
Why is there even an argument no father should have to buy a 14yr old boy a gun let alone a AR-15! for his birthday this is never ok what is so difficult to understand? oh now down south it's legal SO WHAT!? GTFO!
🤔 Ish is off on that thought! It is illegal to buy a kid a A.R. 15 if he’s not even 18 years old as a holding owner. And even worse, not correctly monitor or keep those firearms locked up unless you are out and about with them in the right environment for that parental guidance. And ish is off base when it comes to the two comparisons, but it’s not far-fetched that they would use that excuse to then start charging black parents for crimes their kids commit. I will agree to that. I’m in Deb born and raised in the south. Yes we started shooting rifles at 10 years old, yes I was purchased and gifted an SKS at 18 years old. Yes I’ve got my first handgun at 21 years old and yes, I own several other firearms, custom and personalized. All in a safe keptfrom access of anybody in the household except for me.
Facts Mel, this behavior is indicative of classic signs that we can no longer ignore. I have a 7 year that was being bullied and the kid says, " I get a pew pew and sh___t you." He was that kid only 7 years younger.
Actually the death penalty is not on the table. The judge made that clear. He is being tried as an adult but he is still a minor and therefore death penalty is not an option.
@@madmann1000 that shit ain't on a regular. Maybe in your town. Or a few people you know. Never in my life have I heard of a black parent giving their 13-14 year old a gun. Yes, they may get it on their own but it ain't being giving to them by a parent.
I agree that the father should be held accountable given the FBI visit and being made aware of his sons issues prior to buying the gun BUT the fact that they can’t see how the general idea “Parents should be arrested for their child’s crime” can EASILY backfire on EVERY teenage GANG MEMBER in an inner city who makes posts online about their opps and the deceased while their parents are law abiding 9-5 citizens if WILD to me
Bruh, I'm from Backwoods Mississippi. we have every gun known in the household. Out of all these kids, they know not to bother those guns unless told to. Like Mel said, raise your kids right they'll follow what you say. Slack off, and they will, too.
I love the Pod but if they’re going to debate this stuff they have to have the facts straight. The reason the dad is being charged is because the FBI already visited the family and made them aware of these threats. The father still decided to buy his son a gun a couple months later. If your kid is making threats about shooting up a school and you buy them a gun knowing this then you should be charged. There’s really nothing to debate in my opinion
I hate when they don't have the facts straight . And he wonders why he does not get the big bag
All facts and I agree but even if the FBI didn't I still put the responsibility on the parent to make sure that gun is in a gun locker or in a position where as the parent you distribute it until your son/daughter is of age. If the parent is supplying the gun thats fine to me. But you accept and mantle that responsibility.
@@Daemn13 exactly. The kid was 14, the fact that he was able to get the gun shows criminal levels of neglect
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I think because they are in an urban center, they don’t have to pay this ish much attention. There are so many details they aren’t addressing… because it don’t apply like it does outside of the city.
Mel made a great point! You should not give a child a weapon with the ability to murder people before they are able to think critically and regulate their emotions.
Great point indeed but there's adults whom can't handle their emotions and carries firearms (police included) so it becomes a slippery slope
@@AaronLewis06I get where you’re coming from but it becomes wayyyy less slippery when only referring to non adults
@@AaronLewis06That’s not a slippery slope at all. You’re basically saying you should allow kids to have guns just because there are adults with guns that are as irresponsible as children with guns.
That’s like someone saying 14 year olds shouldn’t be having sex when they don’t fully grasp the risks or consequences, and then you say, _”yeah but there are adults that have sex irresponsibly too, so it becomes a slippery slope”_ lmao. No, that doesn’t make a slippery slope, 14 year olds still shouldn’t be having sex 😭
The fact that there are Incompetent adults with guns doesn’t change the fact that 14 year olds shouldn’t have guns, let alone one who made death threats. Those two things actually don’t relate at all lol.
@@BrotherMalMusicso eloquently put.well said🎉
@@BrotherMalMusic the real issue isn’t them buying him a gun though it’s the south that’s normal practice the issue isn’t them
Giving him boundaries with that firearm
To Ish's point that this will become a slippery slope and they'll start holding inner cities' kids' parents accountable as well-maybe they should.
inner city kids parents do you need to be held accountable for their actions? That’s why they’re doing what they’re doing now because there’s no accountability or discipline in the home. These parents neglect their child or just let them produce all hell and then we’ll look at you sideways if you try and correct the child. So yes, these parents do need to be held accountable. For example, there was a 12 year old child in Rockville, Maryland breaking in to all the luxury car dealerships. He broke into Range Rover, Audi, BMW, Porsche. And walked around the showroom until he found keys and when he did find keys, he drove those cars off the lot cause tons and damages to all these different dealerships and the reason he was able to get out and do it again and again and again is because he’s a child And they cannot charge a child with this kind of crime. so in this case, the parent should be charged because first, why is your child accounted for you should know where your child is at all times. Then second you clearly failed your child when they think it’s OK to break into a dealership and still cars. You’ve clearly missed the signs and did not teach them when they were young. That stealing is bad and has consequences. When I was a child and I got caught stealing in a store. My mother told me what I was doing was wrong and could lend me in jail and scared me in that store real good. And when we got home, I got an ass whooping too and never did it again.
Most of the time those youth end up being held accountable because they're in prison or jail. People forget when that kid shot up that theatre the police gave him McDonald's.
@@Supercalifragilisticexpikali It was a church, and it was Burger King.
But I get your point.
@@TruthDefined4life the sad part is this has happened so much that we get it confused. But no it was a theatre in Colorado. James Holmes. Technically he wasn't a kid but its the same senseless violence.
@@Supercalifragilisticexpikali I got you. I remember that one too.
An AR 15 is not a hunting rifle
An ar15 is a hunting rifle and has specific calibers that make it some of the best
@anthonymiller8107 Yes, it has been "converted" for hunting, but it was originally created as a weapon of war
@@liathompson2332 you thinking of the fully auto m16 not the semi auto ar15
@@liathompson2332 you mean the fully automatic m16 that was used starting in the Vietnam war in the 1960s not the semi automatic ar15
@@liathompson2332Very false.
What's missing from this particular conversation, is the FBI visited the home and the father still helped his son commit murder!!!!
This is why ppl don't take black news seriously
@@HandMeDealsif someone thinks this is news, THATS the problem
@@HandMeDealsthis isn’t black news wtf lol
@@stephonhopkins4569 I see blacks reporting news events. Black ppl + news + Black job = Black News Reporters
They always be miss informed on topics
Why would anyone be okay with handing a 14 yo kid an assault rifle??? Like what- We're not giving them weed, alcohol, etc. but a high-powered rifle??? Disgusting
If you as a parent KNOW your child has issues and you give them a gun yes you are just as much to blame. Now that said if it isn't known then no. But firearms at all times should be locked up and a child shouldn't have access to it unless the parents are there
As a mother myself. You know if something is wrong with your child. Now, whether you choose to do something about it and help your child is different. SOME parents don’t care and don’t want to be bothered by their kids problems.
This conversation is a perfect example of why everyone doesn't need kids 🤦🏾♂️
He bought his son a weapon that a minor can't even purchase legally. If that kid then uses that weapon in a crime, why wouldn't the parent be liable? Some of these people sound like idiots.
Parents have got to be accountable for not being responsible for their children plain and simple
I work in education, the kids run it all. Damn shame. Some parents are scared of their kids
I live 30 mins from the school thank you for recognizing and acknowledging the story. True tragedy. Stuff like this doesn't happen in this area. Wild times are kids are living in
He bought him the gun AFTER the Feds came and talked to him about his son making threats!
the father was arrested because the signs were definitely there & he was aware : just a year ago the father & son were approached about his behavior @ a different school : he previously made threats online about shooting his current school up @ that time : & now he goes 2 a different school & kills 4 people & shoots numerous people : his father basically is an accomplice because he was FULLY AWARE of everything that was gonna happen : by the way the 14 year old had only been @ that school 4 only 2 days B4 he shot it up smh : I live in georgia so I know all of the details about this situation...
This debate got “heated” amongst friends, now imagine the temperature around the country with different ages, cultures, ethnicity. It’s a tough debate in a country where the very foundation was established by violence
This is such a New York conversation lol
His kid came up on the FBI radar and the local police told the father the red flags that came up a year or so before the shooting. The dad still bought his kid the gun afterwards.
7:40 your brain doesn’t fully develop until 25 years old
The CHILD with the underdeveloped brain being charged as an ADULT...how Sway?
Ish is wrong. There's a distinction between nonfeasance and malfeasance. In his inner city example, the parent isn't giving a gun to person with demonstrated mental health issues. A child doing something wrong and the parents getting in trouble is not unprecedented. It's called child neglect.
Also, no one hunts with an assault rifle. There is a distinction between a hunting rifle and an AR-15.
An ar 15 is a hunting rifle. I be more afraid of a Glock with a switch on the pin filed down than an semi auto Ar15
@@anthonymiller8107 an AR-15 is an assault rilfe, not a hunting rifle... u must be slow, SMH...
I'm from the South. I teach Southern black children. My mother's family is from a rural area. This is not common for black children. I've encountered TWO black men who hunted with their fathers my entire life that I know personally. This is not a norm here nor is it common.
Exactly, I'm from the south too. Buying your child a hunting gun/manual rifle or handgun maybe but an automatic/machine gun was not the norm.
You think children tell Teacher Carter everything? If that was the case you know how many things would get solved with kids, how many kids could get real help if they "TOLD" you everything. Dont Forget alot of black families be sayin what goes on in this house STAY IN THIS HOUSE PERIODT
@feliciacooper4630 definitely not the norm.
Nah maybe just not YOU
@@feliciacooper4630😂 you think am AR15 is automatic? That’s shows you don’t know what you’re saying
Glad that parents are also getting charged
He brought his kid an assault weapon, that's not a hunting weapon
Exactly. The two don’t even equate
😂 what assault weapon? Since when did semi auto mean fully automatic ?
Exactly, that’s military grade
Define assault weapon
@@HISNAMEISMARC dude stop lol just stop
Have any of you considered that these parents would be OK with domestic terrorism?! These kids didn't just "come up" with an idea to go kill.
It's a mentality.
I agree with Mel. Especially on the point of his village failed him. I think that is a major problem with youth being out of control. They don't have a village.
That can be true but isn’t always the case. Some people wander and refuse to stay by the fire no matter how cold it gets outside 🤷🏾♂️
@@deciuswtasby True. More chances than none, a positive and supportive village doesn't produce dysfunctional beings. Many that are out here are products of not being disciplined, not diagnosed with mental or behavioral disorders, they may have been misdiagnosed or they were diagnosed and their mammy and pappy didn't keep them on their meds and therapy. Don't leave out these females and males all doped up and procreating like crazy and creating these disabled kids. May not be physically disabled, but mentally.
The parent was crying in the courtroom but the son showed no emotion when the judge was addressing him
THANK YOU MEL ‼️ Good, because when are we going to start holding PARENTS accountable⁉️
GO OFFFFFF MEL IS COOKING! 7:52
The guy in the gray need to shut up. He’s not even on topic with the people talking about.
Came here to say that I was raised in the south and the notion of buying any minor a firearm (an ar-15 at that) is completely wild
Grew up around it, seen it, and still see it now. It’s not the weapon, it’s the lack of responsibility of the parent via access and many other things
A semi automatic as a starter gun would be a little weird. Starter guns are usually bolt or lever action 22s or possibly a 20 gauge shotgun.
Can't really put the aunt in that because you don't know how involved in his life she was. For all we know maybe she tried to help him. Either way his mother and father are to blame
If she's an adult, and was in his life... That includes her too.
Then she needs to shut up with the defense.
Dad was questioned by fbi before buying him the gun right? I thought thats y he was being charged.
All I can hear is Dave Chappelle joke on Sticks and Stones
Damn Mel.... Auntie should be held responsible too?? Lol I am not responsible for my nieces and nephews
She’s speaking from a place of privileged judgement, not reality
Then don’t jump out in the media Defending the indefensible
If you’re aware of your niece/nephews plight, enough to know they’ve been crying out for help for a year, and you ignore it? And then this happens? At bare minimum you’re a garbage bystander.
To say liberal is crazy. Dude needs to do more homework on the southern states
He didn't use it in a political sense, he was saying it's abundantly commonplace to have guns in the South.
He meant that the gun laws in the south are liberal, meaning it’s casual everybody got a gun down there
Ish is right...if you're child gets their license at 16 and soon after racks up a couple of tickets for running stop signs (four in my case😂) you buy their first car anyway hand the keys iver and say be careful baby then the child runs a light and kills somebody...should the parents be charged?
Absolutely, if your child told you that they thought about harming someone with the vehicle and you still handed them the keys!!
Liberal means to value personal freedoms, “classical liberals” are modern day free market conservatives, ish used the term correctly.
Absolutely love how this podcast has evolved. Great conversations. Keep up the good work! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you Mel for your points!! 👏🏾👏🏾
I agree with Ish. If they can charge wyt parents lawfully, they will definetely start charging minority parents wrongfully.
I agree with Joe. Under the correct supervision a 14 year old with an AR is fine. Happens all the time.
The defining difference is letting this 14 year old taking an AR to school. Shows volumes of incompetency and bad parenting.
A 14 year old should not have a AR unless they are being supervised closely. They definitely don’t need an automatic.
@unc1221 we saying the same thing. Salute
FYI...AR does NOT stand for "assault rifle." AR actually stands for "ArmaLite Rifle" which is the company that developed the rifle. Many companies now make AR style rifles including AR-15s (which are typically the most popular).
Gun SAFETY should be MANDATED for anyone who's buying a gun in America. Additionally, individuals UNDER the age of 25 should not be LEGALLY allowed to purchase or own guns in this country (active military excepted while on duty). Their brains are NOT fully formed, and they can't handle the responsibility.
A 14 or 15 yr old should never have an AR. You can say whatever scenario you'd have to protect yourself in, but he was never gonna deal with any of that.
@@nordo555i went to school with over 50+ yt boys who had and have ARs. Their parents promote and exercise gun awareness and responsibility. People who have no concept of weapons don’t realize an AR is semi-auto fire, not rapid which “assault” rifles are. It’s not about the weapon, it’s about the lack of responsibility. He could taken 2 handguns and still shot (sadly) a ton of people
@@deciuswtasby I'm born & raised in Florida so I know all about everybody having a gun & I can say 100% a 14 yr old should not have a AR-15 or any gun. Their parents can own them & teach them with their guns but it's no reason for a kid to have a possible deadly weapon.
The difference is that these parents and ethan crumbly parents knew their son was sick and bought a gun anyway.
I can tell Mel doesn’t have any kids
Hate how they all missed Ish point. Because its a great one. They keep getting caught up on the father buying the gun and not the overall message of charging parents for the childs actions. And when it hits the black community i guarantee they will all wish they listened now
Uh huh💯
@Dipset415 they are missing the key vital Information that the FBI visited them a year prior due to the son threatening the school to shoot it and he still bought him a gun.
Maybe that would solve a lot of the BS goin on
@@TheChosen1incthat's an idiotic statement
Once the FBI informs the father of the situation and he buys him an at-15 anyway, he is directly responsible for the actions of his son. It would be different is the son got a gun behind his parents back and they knew nothing of it.
Jesus Christ don’t bring Jada’s son on for topics like this again
Lost braincells listening to him talk lol
Who is Jada's son?
@@Kai_Mx Jadakiss
@@Goodworkriah oh thanks I didn't know him , I thought you were saying Jada's Pinkett Smith's son was there🤣. I had to Google him
As a parent of a 12, 14 and 15 year old who would be deemed by society as “normal” I fully recognize that they are literally ONE slightly uncomfortable interaction away from losing their shit and doing some fuck shit out of emotional distress. At any given moment. Adults with weapons can barely handle themselves, let alone teens. That’s all I’ll say.
I like these types of heated discussions great breakdown of the topic y’all 💯
This is similar to when they started charging parents for their child’s truancy in school. Be a better parent 🤷🏾
yeah, but black ppl are judged differently... we don't have to actually commit the crime to be charged with it
Eh… I disagree with Mel’s characterization of him being 14. We’ve all been 14. We all knew right from wrong, so that’s a non-starter.
The local police investigated the shooter last year after a tip of him making school shooting threats on Discord. The Dad was there when the cops questioned him and the Dad still gave him an AR-15. The Dad is responsible for this period!
9:06 “parent your child” is easy to say when you don’t have kids
The difference is the negligence was CLEAR!!!
I hear what Ish is saying!!! He’s right they will definitely start charging people in the inner cities!
His Dad have him an AR-15 for Christmas? AR-15 is not a “hunting” tool unless you’re in the army….
I like that they kept her straight on a lot of this stuff.
Bruh hunting with your family is not the same as gifting a child a gun. I’m from the south and I would never buy my child an assault rifle. The parents should be charged.
THE STEAK PART WAS CRAZY
Ish is right...if you're child gets their license at 16 and soon after racks up a couple of tickets for running stop signs (four in my case😂) you buy their first car anyway hand the keys iver and say be careful baby then the child runs a light and kills somebody...should the parents be charged?
Yes.
@@kauswekazilimani3736 well I guess this is where we're headed...a lot of parents will be going to jail cause there are hundreds of scenarios that are similar to this
@@TXLennyS Good. That's clear negligence. People let familial ties cloud their judgement too much. Why give a child with a history of not following the rules of the road a car? That's dumb. Aside from other people, do they want their own child to die. The kid in question had years of signs that there was something seriously wrong with him. They just didn't care because it was their kid.
No. There's a critical difference. Cars are a mode of transportation that can be dangerous. Guns are tools of death, created for that specific purpose.
@@bereaboy but if the child has already had documented driving flaws that have been exhibited back to back
Great conversation
That mental health shit be a cop out.
Prayers to all involved. Mel, an AR isnt an assault rifle. Don’t speak on firearms if you aren’t versed on them. The issue isn’t purchasing weapons to teach your child how to shoot, it’s the absence of being responsible to remove access to those weapons. That’s why the parents are being charged. Mel is correct that school shootings are happening by a stereotype assailant; however, so are inner city shootings and they happen much more frequently. All of it is sad and the people who keep getting hurt are children
Ish, so who is to be held responsible?
An AR-15 isn’t an assault rifle. It’s semi-automatic which disqualifies it from the assault category.
He said parents in the inner city aren't buying guns but lil Wayne is on record saying his mom brought him a gun when he was in high school.
The parents needs to be charged for providing access and not caring enough to prey into their kids life
The piece y'all are missing is he was interviewed by the GBI/FBI earlier in the year for posting pics on social media with weapons, and insinuating he was going to do something then. The ball was dropped big time on this case. I like that yall talked about this.
I subscribed based on this talk. The different points of view based on personal ideas is what needs to happen to see every side. Also parent your child.
My high school…. It’s still wild it happened in our small town 😞 2 kids, 2 teachers, 9 injured (8 kids) just to correct wasn’t 30… some kids went to the hospital w anxiety but not gunshot related
Why is there even an argument no father should have to buy a 14yr old boy a gun let alone a AR-15! for his birthday this is never ok what is so difficult to understand? oh now down south it's legal SO WHAT!? GTFO!
PLEASE start doing research. Please JBP
Bro you guys are always 2 3 weeks late with everything lol
Things aren't always released as soon as they're recorded
@@Kully17 most are and don't wait 2 to 3 weeks
We need to start educating the general public, this cast included, that an AR-15 is not an Assault Rifle.
This clip made me feel old! I remember Mel in Jadakiss video when i was a teenager and now Jada grown ass son up there doing his thing...I'm old...
🤔 Ish is off on that thought! It is illegal to buy a kid a A.R. 15 if he’s not even 18 years old as a holding owner. And even worse, not correctly monitor or keep those firearms locked up unless you are out and about with them in the right environment for that parental guidance. And ish is off base when it comes to the two comparisons, but it’s not far-fetched that they would use that excuse to then start charging black parents for crimes their kids commit. I will agree to that. I’m in Deb born and raised in the south. Yes we started shooting rifles at 10 years old, yes I was purchased and gifted an SKS at 18 years old. Yes I’ve got my first handgun at 21 years old and yes, I own several other firearms, custom and personalized. All in a safe keptfrom access of anybody in the household except for me.
Facts Mel, this behavior is indicative of classic signs that we can no longer ignore. I have a 7 year that was being bullied and the kid says, " I get a pew pew and sh___t you." He was that kid only 7 years younger.
Actually the death penalty is not on the table. The judge made that clear. He is being tried as an adult but he is still a minor and therefore death penalty is not an option.
Right. The judge made this correction after reading the charges and initially dismissing him.
but these devils have executed black kids for less, SMH...
Bro at 14 you know that taking a gun to school is wrong….
You buy a kid a gun to shoot what?these arguments
Ish is missing a critical point.
Aye listening to Mell talk makes me realize a lot that I don’t want to say what it is but aye we have to limit her leading these types of talks
He is being held accountable
First time I have ever agreed with Mel
My son attends the middle school next to the HS. You talking about panicking and trying to drive to the school
Literally since Mel been on the show , this is the ONLY time I have agreed with her !
It’s a slippery slope but they gotta get the facts right
The dude in the gray sweats is dangerous.
Here in Detroit it’s common to get a Draco for your 16th bday
Buying your kid a hunting rifle to an AR-15 is totally different. You are giving a kid a military style weapon to hunt what a bear.
My blood pressure was up listening to this.
It’s illegal to buy someone else a gun in general
I'm from the south, Alabama. No one is buying their kid a gun at 14. The hell Ishtalling about?
Bullshit.
I’m from Texas and it definitely happens
@@madmann1000 that shit ain't on a regular. Maybe in your town. Or a few people you know. Never in my life have I heard of a black parent giving their 13-14 year old a gun.
Yes, they may get it on their own but it ain't being giving to them by a parent.
11:46 y’all don’t need an AR. The founding fathers said I can have one
I agree that the father should be held accountable given the FBI visit and being made aware of his sons issues prior to buying the gun
BUT the fact that they can’t see how the general idea “Parents should be arrested for their child’s crime” can EASILY backfire on EVERY teenage GANG MEMBER in an inner city who makes posts online about their opps and the deceased while their parents are law abiding 9-5 citizens if WILD to me
How can we say you can’t see this coming when we profile white boys?! lmaooo
That was tense
Bruh, I'm from Backwoods Mississippi. we have every gun known in the household. Out of all these kids, they know not to bother those guns unless told to. Like Mel said, raise your kids right they'll follow what you say. Slack off, and they will, too.
Ish always throwing the convo off.
I heard Mom was in jail when this happened
There is gun safes and stuff like that they didnt have there guns stored in. This topic shouldn't be that hard to figure out lol
A passport to get a gun?? I live in Atlanta and there are hundreds of gun stores...no passport needed.
Melyssa Ford needs to stop interrupting when others are speaking
This is just beyond ignorant. Mel was on point and these guys were just being difficult to be difficult.