The most powerful cast iron block and head Pontiac GTO in the WORLD!
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- This cast iron block and head 1965 GTO will blow your mind! It made 1,580 on the dyno and this thing is beautiful and VERY fast! We can't wait to see what it does at the track.
I too am a chevy guy - but my first engine ( car ) was a pontiac , GREAT ENGINES
Gorgeous car and love the true Pontiac power
Pontiac power was Detroits' biggest kept secret.
I been drag racing PONTIACS since the mid 70s , they are stronger than people give them credit for , currently running a 1972 455 H.O. with the factory 7f6 heads , it's all old school trw L2394 pistons , with a roller cam , 3600 stall converter , it's not on this level but still a monster. What number heads are they ? Love me some PONTIACS 👍👍👍🏁 BEAUTIFUL CAR !
Pontiac... Poor, Old, Northerner, Thinks, It's A , Cadillac..... FACTS
@@wildestcowboy2668 "Northener"?! LOL. Guess you cleaned that one up. (2022)
@@wildestcowboy2668 what are you afraid of?
@@Trendyrapslut God
That's just BAD ASS PONTIAC. my friends
I think cast iron is where it's at.
Studs pull out of aluminum heads.
Sometimes you need the cast-iron heads for weight transfer.
Aluminum is good for beer cans.
Iron American Dream on TH-cam.
Iron is better than aluminum.
awesome to see something different so tired of main stream power plants and a very cool car to boot !!!
Never a bad comment for a GTO! This is one bad ass car bro!
Yes indeed
My dad built his 65 gto with stock cast iron block d port heads stock cast iron rods. One single 850cfm holley methanol carburetor. Breaker points ignition. Flat tappet cam. Dyno at 800 hp. Car weighed close to 5000 lbs. Naturally aspirated. No power outer at all. Ran a 9.67 e.t. at the old Dikenson track in Houston
Ran a 9.67 in the 1/4 mile
IM A BOSS 429 GUY. BUT I STILL LOVE THEM PONCHOS.
Awesome , thanks to Jensens for highlighting some of the awesome machines we have right here in NEPA. Can't wait to see more
The stacked headlights are a 60’s Pontiac signature. They look so good that even Ford broke down and copied them; first on the ‘66 Fairlane and then on the ‘67 Galaxie/LTD, but not before Buick used them on the Riviera.
early....60's. The Cokebottle beauties from 68 and up made laid down lights look good.
and the reason they copied Pontiac is because the VP of Pontiac moved over to Ford
I knew it would hold together and make power! BADASS car sir!! Favorite part was the chevy guy chocking on his stupid words. The only time Pontiacs Chuck parts is when a chevy guy builds them!!
Excellent 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm a Pontiac guy who likes Chevys too. Raced the heck out of both and never blew up either one. I love Pontiacs the most because I love to silence the fanboys and skeptics.
Pontiac blocks have a thick hide and with some blockcrete i would have total confidence in it staying together.
"I can't believe this things gonna stay together" "I'm a Chevy guy" says it all
I got sick and tired of my chevy's breaking down on me so i swiitch to Pontiac [73 SD 455 T/A] Best car i ever owned. Now that says it all Vann....
I'm surprised the guy wasn't rockin' a mullet with his cousin hanging on his arm.
How is that block not splitting in 2
@@rohrt1: The cast can handle the blast!
All are GMC
Pontiac power!
My friend I own several cars and trucks, I feel that what you have done here is awesome congrats and thank you for bridging the gap.
Awesome car!
Pontiac's in the 1960's and 70's would kick Chevy's asses to the Moon !!
So fords to Pluto then?
@@timothymccarthy8828 TRUE.
Yeah them old L-88s and LS-7s wasent shit huh.
Old school..still the best school.
Little GTO you're looking fine.
Pontiac power the only way to go
Nothing better than the sound and feel of a PONTIAC. I bought my old 69 GRANDPRIX 40 years ago. I'm wanting to restore her. Anyone have any idea where I could get door panels?
I think a place called "Just dashes " can repair the type of door panels your GP has. They do good work, but are kinda spendy. $1500.00 to fix a dash.
Any upholstery shop can build you some door panels
Nice job with that engine build! ‘65’s are the best looking year to. This one rocks.
I don't knowan 67s look really nice
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This engine sounds absolutely fantastic. Why, oh why did GM have to drop this division? As much as I like Buick, I would've preferred for that division to fall, if given a choice. Think about it, when Pontiac was dropped, the recession was on, which meant fewer people buying cars(or spending money at all!). So, wouldn't it have made more sense to drop one of your TWO higher dollar, luxury car marques?
In lean times, customers who do buy new cars, are probably more likely to buy a more affordable car, not a loaded luxury model. Besides, they already had Cadillac cars to choose from, if luxury was a prerequisite.
Not only that, but aside from the (wonderful)Gran Sports and (slightly less wonderful)Gran Nationals, Buick just doesn't have the storied history of Pontiac.
The death of Pontiac was an inside job. The corporate hit was a result of Chevy, Buick and Cadillac scheming to regain sales that Pontiac had been "siphoning off" from these other divisions. Because they were boring cookie cutter cars. With Pontiac cashiered, these other divisions would now be free to throw heaps of cash on the altar of Corvette,Camaro and Caddies with any sporting pretense. Just nevermind that Pontiac was the ONLY division that delivered a decent exciting and affordable car selection, even though they were shackled by GM's corporate part sharing dogma, resulting in only middling quality and fitment issues.
The primary reason Pontiac went, and Buick stayed, is because of China; The Chinese just LOVE their Buicks. GM wanted to be rid of Buicks after Pontiacs death, so they would have just Chevy, GMC and Cadillac, but the Chinese don't want Cadillacs - they want Buicks. And they are just too big of a market to ignore.
Same thing happened to Oldsmobile; they wanted to be rid of them, so they sabotaged the brand by a radical styling change, redesigning their badge, and eliminating the Oldsmobile name on the car so no one knows who makes it, thus making it unrecognizable.
Patrick McLeod look at the money gm spent on advertising to re- brand Buick as a “young generation” car. Total duh gm, Pontiac was (even in the mundane lethargic years) already the young generation car. Gm would have saved themselves a lot of coin in advertising with Pontiac brand!
When GM dumped Pontiac instead of GMC ( which is just a Chevrolet with different grill and badging) then I dumped GM ! Won't buy another one ! Would be nice to see some billionaire come along and reintroduce some of the Pontiac and Plymouth brands like GTO,trans am, Gran prix, cuda, roadrunner, fury!
Pontiac actually died when they dropped the last 400 in a Trans Am in 1979. After that they weren’t much more than rebadged Chevies.
Forged cast iron motor, I used to pour the Ford motors out of the Cleveland Ford Plant and a hot test inspector. Its the real Maverick of engine design. Joe
(I had a GTO it was a 1964 after I did some work on the motor I turned it into a chev killer boy did it run .
All the non Pontiac guys think the block will split past 500hp. I've been telling people for years that these old Pontiac blocks are tough. I drag raced 400 and 455s for years, never split a block.
Not just the blocks, but the whole bottom end - I read somewhere that in the early '60's, Pontiac engineers looked for a particular iron alloy to run in the crank and rods, as like a "sweet spot" mix of lightness and durability (lighter and more durable than normal cast iron crank and rods, but cheaper (but not as light or durable) as high-end forged stuff). Pontiac engineers, especially in the '60's, REALLY wanted the engine to be as good as they could right from the factory.
@@jedidethfreak Yep, I agree, Pontiac engines were well made. I still have a collection of old 400s and 455s. I used the early forged rods from the early 60s and had them heat treated and prepped to take some abuse. Later I used aftermarket rods. But ive had 400s spinning 7500rpm run after run and not come apart. 455s spinning 7000rpm on the regular. I used big solid roller cams and Doug Nash warrior singleplanes.
@@jedidethfreak I have an old 63 Super Duty 421 Catalina on my car trailer now, gonna build a monster stroker 400 for it and try to disguise it as a SD421. The original 421 that came in the car was blown up back in the late 60s. Car was a NHRA Stock Eliminator class car. Been parked ever since.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 can't remember who it was, but there's a guy who runs 8's in full-sized Pontiacs using 455's with stock internals and a shit-ton of boost.
@@thereluctantgearhead4544 I wanna build a replica 421 short block, put an aluminum Edelbrock top end on it, and put it in a 3rd-gen Firebird. Lighter and WAAAAY more powerful than the 305 that'll come out, lol
That is BADASS!!!!!
I own a 67 hardtop impala and love it!!!! And I gotta say...that is one hell of a sexy car!!!
in 1972 i had a 66 GTO put hi lift isky cam hooker headers and a 750 double pump holley everything else was stock, dyno said 450 hp on the ground don't remember engine hp was but guessing 500/550 ? and that was on 1971 pump premium gas
It appears to have been shortened. The quarter panels, and wheelbase look shorter. Whatever has been done, it looks bad ass!
What a beautiful car really nice
You better be happy lhats incredible work you,ve done brother . And it looks great🎉 h&
Happy New Year
Sweet video bro, badass car
The lightest rotating assembly, that's how.
Anyone have a link to this guy?
The 428 Poncho was an absolute sleeping giant. Loved that engine. 526hp at the wheels through a firehose jetted 750cfm holley and 4-tube full length headers. A torque monster.
the 428 is a 421 over 60 I believe and the provisions for a 4 bolt main are there... so it can easily be made into a 4 bolt main engine.... a race 421
@@55classic1 426.5, but who's counting...
@@55classic1 All 421s and 428s were 4 bolt except YL, YH, XE, and XJ in '69.
@@kellynestegard5208 makes sense...I had several 421's...and none were 4 bolts but had the provisions... I also think they may have been 69's...thx
love it! any videos of it blasting down the track?
Beautiful and badass! I miss Pontiac 🙁
the 454 was a 421 improved.... the other BBC's were improved 389-400s... so even though you're a Chevy guy... your Chevy had its roots in Pontiac
LOVE THE INDIAN PURE GOLD ❤
Did anyone see the Royal Bobcat emblem at 1:19???
And the hurst badge
What did he do to the block to get it to handle such high boost? Besides hard-blocking it, anything else? Thanks
-65 GTO the coolest Pontiac ever!
The 64 is the coolest little car they made.
simply amazing!
Impressive car! Quite, even for a turbo car.
Love it
Awesome!!!
There is NOTHING comparable to PONTIAC POWER....
yup. chevy LS power son.
I love Pontiac but you really need to stay away from the crack
Especially with the cloned all aluminum RamAir V being produce now. Nothing is comparable to that
Bigblock Chevy can run with the best of anything if properly built.
Pontiac madness here! Love em, but let's not forget those bas ass hemis!!
I own a 1989 Pontiac Firebird with a 2.8 V6 and always had like Pontiac my favorite ride before the Chevrolet Camaro but anyway I always be a Pontiac man no matter what
2.8 is a Chevy V6, it later turned into the 3.1 V6
COOL !!! Beautiful car ....holy shit thats bad ass !
GTO, love it
I Remember A Guy Had a Gold 64 or 65 Corvette, With What They Called A FiRE Chief 🔥 Iron Block ,BADDEST Muscle I Ever Saw 👀 PERIOD
Well, did it ever get track tested? Does that thing have a Lenco in it? Need more info. Anyone?
Whay rpm is he turning it to and how was the block prepped?
I spun it to 7000 on the dyno... yes, lots of years of learning block prep. We'll see how this one holds up shortly.
Boost makes everything better, and the best use of alcohol is when boosting. Beautiful car👍 She sounds like she can run to the shops for snacks💪
My good friend Lou bought a brand new 1965 Pontiac GTO then & 'blew' the camshaft while
it was still under warranty, i.e. under 24,000 miles! They had to fix it free ! So much for the
cast iron block!
and probably didn't have enough Zinc in the oil
This has got to be the most beautiful hot rodded GTO I've ever seen are you using ARP fastners to hold that awesome Poncho together?
Must have a seriously strong block girdle, them pontiacs get a little flimsy on the bottom end around 900 hp with the dowel pin style locators on the mains
I don't think he said the mains were stock...and the block had provisions for 4 bolt caps...soooooo
What does it run et wise
Any updates on what the car runs in the 1/4?
Cool car, nice work. Which D port heads are you using? Stock 400 stroke also?
Sorry man. Just saw the question. Dave here and I'll find out from Andy which heads are on it.
They are D port # 48 heads.
Thanks Jim!
Stock 400 stroke also?
Doubt that... Probably 500+
I'm not a car guy but someone told me that the '65 GTO was the reason that downforce (spoilers) became necessary because at 155 mph they would lift off the ground. Is this true?
The ruler day in my neck of the woods ..65..66..67..68 really hard to beat em
I'd be curious to know how much you spent at the machine shop turning your "Stock" Poncho motor into a Boost capable race car.. Now I'm also a pontiac guy But I happen to know exactly where they are weakest only because I have my own collection of split Web block's laying around I've used 389s an entire bunch of 400s a few 428s and even a 421 inch SD motor and ended the day with a Big inch Chevy motor that has some how managed to stay inside the oil pan .. Love your 65 ..anyway good luck
You either know how to build and indestructible Pontiac motor, or you don't. But to go with a chebby motor over all those great motors, is basically sayin your a quitter. I'll take all those Pontiac blocks off your hands, and beat any chev motor...
@@ghm389 LLP qq
You should probably just stick to the big Chevy, Pontiacs aren't for everyone.
Most likely a 428ci. motor with 4 bolt mains. He mentioned Bonneville. Did not say anything else was Pontiac. Crankshaft most likely forged. Cannot see an Arma Steel crankshaft or a Nodular Iron crankshaft working at this horsepower.
Great for commute to & from job,costco,school, ...
LOL
i have a 327 all cast iron engine it puts out 1200 hp on pump gas with no nitro the best part it has been in over 15 races plus i drove the shit out of it on the street it still runs strong but it sits in my shop because the guy that built it died old man bell . this motor loves high rpms it has been over 15,000 rpms , bell built the block like a indy engine with a dragster top end ported everything including water and oil ports season the block and polished the inside of block so oil would drop faster for the high rpms . old man bell said it would do 11,000 rpms all day long and yes it would went 30 miles with it at 11,000 rpms no problem but it did cost a lot of money . we pulled it out of rick news dragster then put another 25,000 in to it like the heads had over 3500 in them . started with 202 angle plug heads ported to 204 ported the intake and exhaust ports water and oil ports matched the ported block.the best part it has out lasted most of the racing engines that i know of even bell said cast on cast is the best way to go if u can get were u need it way less chance for the engine to leak at the head caskets lot of engines start leaking just a little with out any one knowing it and that is when u en up with major engine problems and not even know it . there is no way any aluminum engine could have handle the over heating my 327 went through on the street
Haha! Cool story bro...
have you ever taken this BEAST to pontiac nationals in norwalk, ohio? would love to see it in person. maybe ARNIE BESWICK would like to go head to head with you.
Umm..i should put a turbo on my 1985 Ford Taurus wagon with stock hubcap..
anyone know where i can get my cast iron pontiac heads ported by someone knowledgable?
anyone knows how to get a hold of the owner of this goat?
, I'm doing a similiar build and would like some insides on this combo
General Motors BABY!
Pontiac Motor Division not GM
@@lanewarren2031 general motors owned pontiac dummy!
Beit aluminum or iron, what keeps an engine together is the internals. What kills an engine is primarily rpm and imbalance.
My Scion xB makes 1659hp stock!
Yeah, not really. I have 110hp……but it’s cute, 32 mpg….
Awww who’m I kidding!
That Goat is AWESOME!
plenty of Honda K series engine making upwards of 1500 - 200 HP
Didn't Big Chief /street outlaws fame run this combo for years in the Crow ??
I remember seeing a 69 GTO with a blown alcohol 455 Pontiac engine making over 1200hp back 20+yrs ago. Pontiac engines are pretty stout. Just needed better connecting rods except the SD stuff.
Wow, Iron D ports??
Go DAD!!
Retired mechanic here. Let me count a few ways that a Pontiac V8 is built better than a Chevy V8.
1.) If you want a Chevrolet with the same high nickel content as a factory Pontiac you have to order it from the Bowtie catalog because stock Chevy blocks are cast from a much cheaper grade of iron.
2.) Chevy main caps don't have locating pins (like Pontiacs do) so they have to be adjusted during assembly.
3.) Chevy cheaped out and didn't bother to put a thrust plate on the cam like almost every other manufacturer does.
4.) Chevy timing covers often fail from timing chain slap. Good thing they're cheap because I have replaced quite a few with windows in them.
And last but not least, You can remove the timing cover from a Pontiac without dropping or even loosening the oil pan.
@Rob Durst
My Pontiac mopped up Chevys like a rag all day long. It only takes 400 cubes of Pontiac power to clobber most BBCs. I couldn’t pay the Chevy boys to race my NA Pontiac without using their nitrous. Bunch of bottle babies.
@Rob Durst
I must have hurt your Chevy fanboy feelings. At the end of the day it’s just a car. And if you have a fast Chevy there’s a good chance that there aren’t many true Chevy parts left on it so I probably insulted a pile a racing parts that fit a Chevrolet. To settle this properly the comparison would be between a real 400 Pontiac and a real BBC.
@Rob Durst
I understand your problem. Your BBC was so slow that you had to replace every Chevy part with race parts. And now that it’s not really a Chevy any longer it’s a lot faster. What did you prove? You spent too much money?
I’m being serious. If you want to prove that a BBC is better than a similar sized Pontiac with similar mods that would be interesting. Comparing who spent the most on aftermarket heads, blocks and everything in between is totally pointless. At that point we might as well just compare bank accounts and credit lines.
I’m gonna toss out an example just for kicks. The Pontiac Dude on Street Outlaws has an aftermarket engine in his GTO so I admit that that up front. Even though the heads and block are not factory Pontiac parts they are stock dimensions and the heads are an optimized version of Ram Air 4 factory castings. The engine kit was purchased from Butler Racing for about $16,000. Meanwhile, some of his BBC competitors admit to having engines that cost about $80,000 that have heads that are completely revamped for all out racing. Other competitors have custom race only engines.
Big Chief’s license plate reads: 481XLOL
I agree.
Slick
Hey I know theses guys had my car there doing some Dyno pulls goin to have them put aluminum heads and cam in my motor
You should race big Chef from the 405
so what'd it run?
PONTIAC MANIAC!💯
It will crack the block,it's not if but when,hardblock and billet main caps with mega brace will make it last longer but it will end up cracking
Nice.
I have a 69 Bonneville with 428 Im putting a full Mega brace for the valve train it's two bolt Main some people are telling me Keep It 2 bolt Main because if you make it 4 bolt Main drilling holes into the bottom of the block might weaken it I want to be in the High 400 range and be able to take more
the holes are already there
I could fit that in my '65 Corvair, no problem. Mid-engine mayhem! lol
Poncho Power!!
* I WANT ONE *
That's the Shiiiit!
I cannot figure out why I think that 65 and 67 GTO tail lights look better than 66 GTO tail lights.
That's it GTO girls takeover
Great racing machine, but it's past the point where I would still consider it a car.
MOre of a rocket now..
"I dunno, I'm a Chevy guy. This thing's blowin' up on the dyno!!" LOL
If it was a Chevy it would have!
@@lanceh4653 Chevy engines are tough, and reliable i run Pontiac's whn i can tho.😉
PONTIAC not Pontaic
and I've been saying Pont-ache all these years!!!!
totalsalessolutions
Yeah! And it's NUCULAR, not nuclear! 'W' taught us that, and he also taught us the proper pronunciation for the country Qatar. Its pronounced "Kutt-er"..... Obama only taught us that it's ISIL, not ISIS. He also taught us that the "affordable" in The Affordable Healthcare Act, actually means 'MUCH more expensive'!
Exactly get it right!!
... ' PONCHO '
Must have taken five years of hard labor to make it this good. If it came out of a 68 Bonneville it would not even have four bolt mains would it?
428 is a 421 with 2 bolt mains BUT... the provisions are there for the 4 bolt caps...sooooooo
All 428s had 4 bolt mains in '67-'68.
you only need 5 lugnuts to hold those rear tires on?
Yeah - there was more left in it.
UNfortunately you never know EXACTLY how strong something is until you break it.
That's why you always build TWO hotrod engines at a time, lol.
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