I just drove my Subaru Forester XT in the snow yesterday and it was amazing . After driving a Scion tC for 8 years I’m extremely impressed with the Subaru
i love my 2016 Outback. got me down a mountain on ice and snow. just used the x-mode feature and let it figure it all out. took my foot of the gas and brake. just steered. not one stall of slip. sold me on subaru for sure.
I'd like to think that Subaru is testing honestly in this video, since they said it was Independent and Certified testing. I own Toyota and don't care who is better because I just want the TRUTH. We have plenty of snow in Utah and I've offroaded plenty, but still find situations where I want MORE traction. The only way to get it (after using LOW gear and disabling VSC) is to install a LOCKER, and that is cost prohibitive. So, may the best AWD technology win, regardless of brand.
All other non-luxury manufactures does is to come up with a fancy name for their AWD system for marketing, instead of putting money on the actual design and manufacture of their AWD systems.
Yeah, I'd be pissed if I bought an AWD, come to find out. Most of the power goes to the front wheels. What kind of shit is that? In this day and age, it can't be that hard.
Actually Honda has the most advanced awd and it does side to side too with the Sh-awd even beating some Quattro , xdrive , Nissan awd even Toyota awd system on their Lexus
My STOCK '17 Subaru Crosstrek, took to the Beach and played in sand, 4x4 lifted and kitted Pavement Queens, wouldn't dare go in! The looks on their faces when it "looked" like i was stuck, pulled out, then went back in and spun donuts, was priceless!😋😋😋😋
one night my step dad took me out in the snow to teach me how to safely dirive in such conditions. we were in a 2016 subaru forester. we thought we would see what the car was capable of so we stopped in the middle of an extremely steep and icey hill. without any problem it was able to take off and make it up the hill. one of the most capable cars on the road
people don't realize that 4wd only means there are 2 wheels always engaged, unless there's a diff locking mechanism or a system that uses brake actuation to direct power
All 4wd vehicles have a rear,front and centre differential... Standard, you would be in rwd.. but once you put it in 4wd by opening that middle diff, you constantly have all 4 wheels engaged. I think you were talking about awd cars since that's what this vid is about...
alan eichelberger 4wd in most trucks will not have a center differential in the transfer case, so the center will be locked. If the vehicle has open front and rear diffs the drive train will send power to one front and one rear wheel under very low traction conditions. That's why lockers and lsd's are so nice. You're actually in 4wd.
@@JonasGsxr1000 Lets take a look at the engineering of the two vehicles.Subaru,for what it is,is the most cost effective and well engineered.keep your over engineered european vehicles.subaru equals time tested.
yeah subaru is fun and well built cars, i just got my first ever subaru wrx love it so much. best car on the snow i ever had so much fun, and i thought acura mdx was good car for the snow, but subaru wrx killed it. only problem on the snow is the clearance, once your car floats on top of the snow you are not going anywhere, but then again that with every car :)
I wonder how the newer Dodge Journey's would fair. As far as I can tell it incorporates a BorgWarner iTM 3e (the pre-2011 ones definitely did). Where it excels is in using ESP to apply brakes to the wheel(s) that are spinning, which gives power to the wheels with traction. It's all electric so it's much faster at detection. It can also split power between front and rear like a lock. In practice it feels very similar to a Subaru (admittedly one of the best, if not best, systems). So far my 2015 has trudged through 15" of snow up inclines without issue in all season tires. Even though it prefers front wheel drive to save fuel when slamming on the gas it gripes like an electric car (the 50/50 split kicking in). I'm duly impressed for such an affordable AWD system.
@@Traumatree the sti also has a rear biased AWD system that's far different than the front biased AWD in the non wrx vehicles. Subaru has either 60/40, 50/50(wrx open center, would 100% fail this test) or the sti transmission that has a couple different rear biases depending on the year.
@@Traumatree the manual may be but the cvt is 60/40 for sure. I can tell you for a fact owning multiple that they will not pull that without the lsd. They also struggle extremely bad when on ice and traction loss to a single tire will stop the car dead
@@Traumatree you are an idiot. The wrx system has always been open, the lsd rear only works if both rear wheels have some level of traction. Removing it from one causes the lsd to act as an open diff unless you stand on the brakes. So if you have 3 wheels with no traction the last one isn't doing anything at all. That's a fact. The later models with abs don't function much better because it kills the power in situations like this and stops. You have to have some level of traction at all wheels for it to move forward without stopping.
+Andrew Torrence Co-designed by Subaru and Toyota. It has a Subaru engine with the Toyota Direct Injection System. It's mostly Subaru, it's even made in a Subaru factory in Gunma, Japan.
+Ricardo Stefánsson Ahhh I gotcha. The other thing that drives me nuts is the fact that I just found out not long ago that the Impreza also came in a fwd ):
Did only i noticed that on rollers all cars had traction control engaged and subaru has switched it off?? Look at the wheel spin at all cars and subaru. When TC is switched off the system works different! It can transfer more power to the rear because the REVs arent killed on purpise. U know what i ment.
I'm predicting, i didn't said that i know. When women is sitting on the toilet you can only predict by her face if she is doing No1 or No 2... So... by the wheel spin i guess how i said.
manjakas16a Nissan Rogue for example: power is sent to the rear wheel, but it has an open differential so all the power goest to the wrong wheel. Same for honda and Toyota... Actually VDC or TCS helps, braking the wheel that is spinning.
yall see they didn't have a chevy there.. the chevy trailblazer for example.. some models use an actual diff locker and even the base models use its traction control and ABS when the system picks up wheel slip it applies the brakes to the slipping wheel to physically force power to the other wheels... if held to the floor the system will add power till the vehicle/driver is out of the sticky spot. of Corse driving in theas sort of conditions the driver is best off to have skill/Esperance with the terrene
Main reason is the platform being either FWD or RWD... If engine is placed vertically instead of horizontally, where axis follows the direction of the car moving forward, such as Subaru, New 2020 Explorer, Expedition, Suburban, or any pickup truck, they are RWD platform and naturally good at climbing.
we tried the test on a saab 93 with XWD that has what they call (elsd) rear wheel torque vectoring , the awd system simply vectored all the torque to the right rear wheel and it climbed over the rollers with no fuss.. I suspect the Subaru has very intelligent traction control , or a slip controlled rear differential
I have no doubt that the Subaru's have the best traction control system of all these vehicles but it looked to me that the outdoor track was perfectly dry for the Tribeca and Forester, but a little bit damp for the others. Maybe even a few spots of rain on the camera lens. Just saying.
would be great to include the year/model/trim. does the tested subaru have a rear LSD in it? is subaru that much better than the competition? thought rav4.1 and 4.2 were pretty good, but not sure c diff lock would have helped in the first test. would be cool if subaru offered a dual range transfer case, but i guess that would add a lot of weight
Don't think those Foresters got LSD. The 3.0r, GT, Spec b liberty outback platform got them with the 5EAT, as did all rexies. But AFAIK the 2.5s did not have LSD
Break lights on the Food where disconnected. The engine rev'd a little too much with too little wheel spin. It's almost like the driver was holding the break.
I know this video is old but I hate false advertising. The equinox has a button you have to push to engage the AWD. It will only pull with the front tires until so.
what about vw 4motion (audi quattro). thats a very good system and it is no wonder why they didnt include a vehicle equipped with it in this comparison.
Seems like a rear differential with some kind of "limited slip" ability (clutch, viscous or helical) would've COMPLETELY made a difference in this test... I think if any one of those vehicles tested HAD a "rear limited slip" setup, they would've been able to climb this ramp and pass this test. In my opinion, it's damned ridiculous to even offer an AWD drivetrain option, without even offering a limited slip rear diff. as an option. It should come standard-equipped when said vehicle is fitted with any kind of AWD option.... Pretty dumb to have an "all wheel drive" SUV with open diffs at each end.
subaru literally has something called "intelligent drive" right now... no 4x4 enthusiast takes subaru's seriously. No locking diffs, they're not going anywhere serious.
Independent or not, if you had an understanding of the different types of center differentials, you'd see why the others never had a chance on a test like this. They only divert 10-15 percent of available torque to the rear. On a car with 150 lb of tq, that's only 15-20 lbs. You can't move 3500 lbs uphill with 20 lb/ft of tq.
In another video the forrester and 2 other subaru models had the right front and rear wheels on rollers and all failed. in another test the 2 front wheels and the left rear wheels were o rollers and it also failed. only the volvo and audi made it. It changed my mind...
i would install addidional brake lines to all 4 brakes and control the traction manualy,just apply gas and apply brake for the wheel that has no traction,this way the diferential would send the power to the only wheel that has traction,if 3 wheels are on ice and 1 has traction,i would brake those 3 without traction and with a bit of luck that the driveshaft will not break the car will move
nigmosh65 At least in sedans, Acuras AWD system is the exact same as a Honda. In fact, all Acuras are effectively just Hondas with different looking body design and a higher price tag.
tavshedfjols Looks like we got an expert over here! Haha Acura offers their Super Handling AWD in the TLX, MDX, and RLX which is completely different than the CRV's AWD. The RDX has a pretty similar crappy AWD though. Also, the Honda Ridgeline and Pilot share a fantastic AWD system.
You actually can get up the slope with all the cars. turn off traction control, lock 4wd, and floor it. the 160+ hp of these wheels, even if only 20% is given to 1 wheel, that 30 some hp should be able to push the car up a 15 degree incline
which of these vehicles have a locking center differential? with open differentials, power transfer is 100% of axle torque to the wheel with least traction. brake traction systems must overcome the engine torque upon one spinning wheel to transfer the 100% to the other wheel and drive it. with a locked center diff, 50% goes to front and back. with the open diffs these cars have, only the wheel with least traction may get the 80 hp of 160 available. seeing as the brakes aren't really up to that challenge, I seriously doubt they can transmit your "30" hp to the ground.
KTMcaptain Good point. You actually should leave traction control on, Even without a locking dif, the tcs should take away enough power from the loose wheel and transfer it to the other. That being said, it may or may not be enough depending on the incline
g1122123 well it does, you can see the spinning wheel momentarily stop then the vehicle lurches forward and as it does that wheel begins to spin again. the braking system needs to stay engaged the whole time, for once that wheel on the rollers is released from the brakes it will spin and kill all drive. Subaru has better programming, and a true limited slip center differential, so the system need only stop 1 wheel from spinning instead of 3.
g1122123 fyi, you're the first person to actually say good point. I get dozens of notifications from people telling me they know and I don't. but when I present empirical evidence to substantiate my claim and they can't, they all get very angry and call me names. one person said I should kill myself. thank you for your class
what? Subaru is literally doing that right now with x-mode. There is nothing mechanical that can provide all tire power AND be safe on the roads. Locking differentials must be toggled and subaru's don't have them.
+Jahan Aquil The reason it's in the same price range is because it sacrifices everything else, not as comfortable, not as many gadgets etc. So you sacrificed creature comfort, for a full time AWD system. Put a full time AWD against a bunch of slip reacting systems, and obviously won. Meanwhile, anyone who seriously off roads buy's a jeep, and leaves the Subarus to soccer moms. If you compared it to even a jeep compass or something, it would get absolutely demolished, when off roading.
+Dangerous Amoeba well of course its bullshit. BUT there is a reason some cars are excluded and some people don't understand that. Even the description says that the vehicles in the test are market competition.
After some research, it seems not all AWDs are created equal. Most CUVs have FRONT BIASED AWD, which is to save fuel in everyday driving, but when conditions gets very ugly or having to climb 30+ degrees slopes ( th-cam.com/video/0_MXK2nzt2Y/w-d-xo.html ), they are simply outmatched, and you start to see and appreciate superior systems and the technology behind it. Granted, few people will take their vehicles to these extremes, but as a consumer I would feel assured that a vehicle can tackle thru these mild to medium obstacles. I'm not a Subaru owner, but I'm impressed with their SYMMETRICAL AWD system, which is similar in perfomance to Audi's Quattro. Their Boxer engines are similar in configuration to Porsche's, allowing for a lower engine mount in the chassis, thus achieving a lower center of gravity which translates into better stability when pushed to its limits vs. its competition. They must have done something right, for the Forester to have won: a) 2014's Motor Trend's best SUV of the year. b) 2014 Consumer Report's best small SUV of the year. Subaru used to build ugly cars, I didn't consider them at all, they were not even on my test drive list. Since Toyota bought a stake in the company, I guess the Capital Infusion must have helped them design better looking cars. After Toyota killed its V6 in their CUV segment, there were hardly any sporty/fun/reliable CUVs on the market. Now I would consider a Forester XT, when the time comes to replace my Toyota RAV 4 V6 AWD. (265 HP) th-cam.com/video/kRniF4JQN2U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/0_MXK2nzt2Y/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/cBaUCHiJxxs/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/gw1nNdEVPf8/w-d-xo.html (Subaru goes where only True 4x4 with locking differential dare to go) th-cam.com/video/kr2NwI89RQ8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/kRniF4JQN2U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/aSG-pF1LXHI/w-d-xo.html
good test but on your test ,there is no audi quattro system ,bmw x drive system or mercedes 4matic sytem they do the same as subaru so next time can you include them at least we can see who is the best .
+edwinlee4 SH-AWD actually out-performs everything in its class.. Look for the same test performed by the USAC for all those vehicles in the same price range.
+farayi muzvuzvu This test is not designed to test all commercially available AWD Systems, This Test is comparing the cars in the same price range than the Forester.. In this scenario the Forester is better equipped for the money.
I like these kind of real world tests, but a few more bits of info would have been nice. Did any models have electronic differential lockers? Did they all have traction control in addition to AWD? Did any have locking transfer cases (full time 4wd vs AWD)? Nice demos, guys. :-)
I know the Rav4 has a button to lock the t-case into a 50/50 torque split front/rear up to 20mph, then it reverts back to the standard AWD settings, but not sure on the other models they tested...most systems are actually front wheel drive until traction is lost then the system sends power to the other wheels, but in these tests as soon as a wheel slips they let off the accelerator preventing the system from actually transferring power so as to make it look like those vehicles failed. None of them have locking differentials.
Typical, a company only comparing it self to certain other companies to make them look better. Obviously they didn't show an Audi with their Quattro system because Audis Quattro system would've tackled that ramp with ease. Probably even better than that Subi.
That's why I like my 4WD vehicles, when you pull the lever its in 4WD, no guessing as to if you have traction going to the front and rear. One vehicle has a couple added components to make sure I have real 4WD...lockers front and rear. If you don't have lockers you don't have real 4WD, just some modified version of 2WD in most cases unless you have at least limited slip and then that only gets you so far as the clutch packs don't handle fully locked action they only can achieve some percentage of a fully locked differential.
On the ramp test, it was used only the AWD mode. I would like to see what would happen if LOCK key was used on the RAV4, for example... it was just a AWD test. Not a complete and honest test.
You chose the only test that gives Subaru an advantage. In reality, all those cars would have climbed the ramp if traction was available on BOTH rear wheels.
No, no it wont. It has a generic V6, like most of the other vehicles. Even the much heavier Tribeca made it up the hill. My GF has a Rav4 identical to that, and even my 1997 Outback out does it in the snow.
Timo Klap I was referring to the one used in the video. You can see the V6 badge on the front. Its a 260ish hp 3.5 V6, whereas the Forester "only" has around 170 horse from its 2.5 Boxer engine.
most suzuki 4wd systems would take those challenges. my suzuki has lockable center lsd that's made by heavy industries, the same company that makes Subaru.
Where is bmw with xDrive?! Where is suzuku sx4 /it has ALL diffs lock/? Why do you stop gas everytime when nonslipping wheel get a torque /except subaru, there u didn`t stop gas, and that is the cause is goes up/ on the rolers? Didi you use the same tires for the other test? With all these false ads you go so down in my eyes!!!
+IskamDa Nameeto If you paid close attention, they all hold the gas even while its sliding backwards. Only when its slid backwards too far(notice wheels are still moving forward at same rate) then they let off gas so they don't slide off the ramps. The ford was sliding side to side, so she had to let up. There was no need for Subaru's driver to let off of gas till it reached the top, because it didn't slide backwards. Also, listen to the speaker. He tells about what each vehicle is made to do while trying to send the power to the wheel with traction. Most of those cars took too much power away from slipping wheels, while not sending enough to the non slipping wheel. Some makes were trying to act smart and calculate the power needed in realtime but failed. So what looked to you as them letting off the pedal, was explained as the system itself trying to adjust the power. Also Protip: In the real world, when you lose traction, you don't want to keep hammering on the gas hoping it'll catch.
Shoulda added an Acura rdx with sh awd ....woulda have done just as good if not better . And no the Honda CR-V is NOT equipped with the same sh-awd that is available in the rdx.
LSD is so much old tech... and rarely used so that become a least significant tech to general suvs. I think moose test is much more practical to these vehicles.
Comparing Subaru AWD to a Cute Ute AWD is like comparing an HD truck 4wd to Subaru AWD. It's all about how much torque the system will distribute. Those other cars are simply not designed for that. They will, though, work in most situations faced by their owners. If, however, you live in the mountains or have a steep driveway it's time to think about a Subaru. If you live in Nebraska a Rav 4 is fine. Stop saying Jeep compass or renegade. Nobody wants a vehicle with ass in the name and FCA managed to turn a bad brand, into a worse brand. Ask any mechanic before you reply. ANY mechanic. ANY. MECHANIC.
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Thanks other Aaron. So, I guess I'll take the shitty Toyota AWD on the Siena and get stuck now and then, but I can use that time to watch my odometer tick over 300,000 trouble free miles as the tires spin.
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The biggest thing I took away from this video is just how much cameras have advanced since this was filmed.
I just drove my Subaru Forester XT in the snow yesterday and it was amazing . After driving a Scion tC for 8 years I’m extremely impressed with the Subaru
That's awesome! We're so glad that you love your new Subaru!
i love my 2016 Outback. got me down a mountain on ice and snow. just used the x-mode feature and let it figure it all out. took my foot of the gas and brake. just steered. not one stall of slip. sold me on subaru for sure.
3:33
*FOOOOORD EDGE*
I'd like to think that Subaru is testing honestly in this video, since they said it was Independent and Certified testing. I own Toyota and don't care who is better because I just want the TRUTH. We have plenty of snow in Utah and I've offroaded plenty, but still find situations where I want MORE traction. The only way to get it (after using LOW gear and disabling VSC) is to install a LOCKER, and that is cost prohibitive. So, may the best AWD technology win, regardless of brand.
Ya they said "our" Subaru. So its obviously not independent
I was the driver in this video and can confirm that the test was 100% legit and true.
All other non-luxury manufactures does is to come up with a fancy name for their AWD system for marketing, instead of putting money on the actual design and manufacture of their AWD systems.
Quatro and xdrive does the same, subaru just has the best awd
@@paul1e they don't really. They just have really good marketing and a customer base that doesn't know better.
@@paul1e I’m 18 and even I know that the Original Quattro version hasn’t history
Yeah, I'd be pissed if I bought an AWD, come to find out. Most of the power goes to the front wheels.
What kind of shit is that? In this day and age, it can't be that hard.
Actually Honda has the most advanced awd and it does side to side too with the Sh-awd even beating some Quattro , xdrive , Nissan awd even Toyota awd system on their Lexus
My STOCK '17 Subaru Crosstrek, took to the Beach and played in sand, 4x4 lifted and kitted Pavement Queens, wouldn't dare go in! The looks on their faces when it "looked" like i was stuck, pulled out, then went back in and spun donuts, was priceless!😋😋😋😋
3:33 He is really exited about that Ford
Omg this made me laugh too much
one night my step dad took me out in the snow to teach me how to safely dirive in such conditions. we were in a 2016 subaru forester. we thought we would see what the car was capable of so we stopped in the middle of an extremely steep and icey hill. without any problem it was able to take off and make it up the hill. one of the most capable cars on the road
people don't realize that 4wd only means there are 2 wheels always engaged, unless there's a diff locking mechanism or a system that uses brake actuation to direct power
All 4wd vehicles have a rear,front and centre differential... Standard, you would be in rwd.. but once you put it in 4wd by opening that middle diff, you constantly have all 4 wheels engaged. I think you were talking about awd cars since that's what this vid is about...
alan eichelberger
4wd in most trucks will not have a center differential in the transfer case, so the center will be locked. If the vehicle has open front and rear diffs the drive train will send power to one front and one rear wheel under very low traction conditions. That's why lockers and lsd's are so nice. You're actually in 4wd.
tHOSE front and rear diffs need some kind of locking mechanism as he said. LSD or an acutal locker. 99% of vehicle run an open diff on the front.
@VIsubby no, they use the abs to apply brake pressure to the wheels with no traction
very true, and usually those 2 wheels are opposing corners one front and one rear on opposing sides LOL.
If you do a search, you will find the Acura MDX on this same challenge and it also climbed the ramp quite easily..
But ofcourse they don't want mdx going up the ramp in their video. Acura and audi have the best awd system.
@@JonasGsxr1000 hahaha. Try it in real life. Subaru would beat it.
@@JonasGsxr1000 Lets take a look at the engineering of the two vehicles.Subaru,for what it is,is the most cost effective and well engineered.keep your over engineered european vehicles.subaru equals time tested.
yeah subaru is fun and well built cars, i just got my first ever subaru wrx love it so much. best car on the snow i ever had so much fun, and i thought acura mdx was good car for the snow, but subaru wrx killed it. only problem on the snow is the clearance, once your car floats on top of the snow you are not going anywhere, but then again that with every car :)
I wonder how the newer Dodge Journey's would fair. As far as I can tell it incorporates a BorgWarner iTM 3e (the pre-2011 ones definitely did). Where it excels is in using ESP to apply brakes to the wheel(s) that are spinning, which gives power to the wheels with traction. It's all electric so it's much faster at detection. It can also split power between front and rear like a lock. In practice it feels very similar to a Subaru (admittedly one of the best, if not best, systems). So far my 2015 has trudged through 15" of snow up inclines without issue in all season tires. Even though it prefers front wheel drive to save fuel when slamming on the gas it gripes like an electric car (the 50/50 split kicking in). I'm duly impressed for such an affordable AWD system.
Add in LSD front and rear and you have an unstoppable beast!!! especially when turboed
Put lockers on the front and rear and you have a Rubicon.
@@Traumatree No way Really?! Is that why the LSD units that are widely available say STi on them?! ;-?
@@Traumatree the sti also has a rear biased AWD system that's far different than the front biased AWD in the non wrx vehicles.
Subaru has either 60/40, 50/50(wrx open center, would 100% fail this test) or the sti transmission that has a couple different rear biases depending on the year.
@@Traumatree the manual may be but the cvt is 60/40 for sure.
I can tell you for a fact owning multiple that they will not pull that without the lsd. They also struggle extremely bad when on ice and traction loss to a single tire will stop the car dead
@@Traumatree you are an idiot.
The wrx system has always been open, the lsd rear only works if both rear wheels have some level of traction. Removing it from one causes the lsd to act as an open diff unless you stand on the brakes. So if you have 3 wheels with no traction the last one isn't doing anything at all. That's a fact.
The later models with abs don't function much better because it kills the power in situations like this and stops. You have to have some level of traction at all wheels for it to move forward without stopping.
where is quattro
Hiding under a table from vehicles that cost half but last double the time.
different price bracket
Even old GMC smarttrac wasn't included. A smarttrac with optional g80 differentials will spin the only tire with traction
On a rollback.
Parked outside the gay bar where it always is.
at 1:30 the guy held the brake, how fair
its because the ford would climb that
Comes standard in all Subaru vehicles. How about the BR-Z?
This is an older video.
+linearenate because that was technically designed by toyota with gt86 and scion frs.
+Andrew Torrence Co-designed by Subaru and Toyota. It has a Subaru engine with the Toyota Direct Injection System. It's mostly Subaru, it's even made in a Subaru factory in Gunma, Japan.
+Ricardo Stefánsson Ahhh I gotcha. The other thing that drives me nuts is the fact that I just found out not long ago that the Impreza also came in a fwd ):
The BRZ is unworthy in even a dusting of snow. I know because I got stuck at work in my wife’s BRZ, stuck at work, omg I hate that car!
Did only i noticed that on rollers all cars had traction control engaged and subaru has switched it off?? Look at the wheel spin at all cars and subaru. When TC is switched off the system works different! It can transfer more power to the rear because the REVs arent killed on purpise. U know what i ment.
manjakas16a How do you know that the other cars had their TC switched on and the Subaru had its TC switched off?
I'm predicting, i didn't said that i know.
When women is sitting on the toilet you can only predict by her face if she is doing No1 or No 2... So... by the wheel spin i guess how i said.
manjakas16a Nissan Rogue for example: power is sent to the rear wheel, but it has an open differential so all the power goest to the wrong wheel. Same for honda and Toyota...
Actually VDC or TCS helps, braking the wheel that is spinning.
+manjakas16a -- LOL . I suppose when a man is sitting on the toilet you SURE can predict he is doing No.2!!
I have Subaru Forester and that don't have traction control button . That mean my Subaru is doing no 3
yall see they didn't have a chevy there.. the chevy trailblazer for example.. some models use an actual diff locker and even the base models use its traction control and ABS when the system picks up wheel slip it applies the brakes to the slipping wheel to physically force power to the other wheels... if held to the floor the system will add power till the vehicle/driver is out of the sticky spot. of Corse driving in theas sort of conditions the driver is best off to have skill/Esperance with the terrene
What about a Suzuki Jimny? ;)
Main reason is the platform being either FWD or RWD... If engine is placed vertically instead of horizontally, where axis follows the direction of the car moving forward, such as Subaru, New 2020 Explorer, Expedition, Suburban, or any pickup truck, they are RWD platform and naturally good at climbing.
we tried the test on a saab 93 with XWD that has what they call (elsd) rear wheel torque vectoring , the awd system simply vectored all the torque to the right rear wheel and it climbed over the rollers with no fuss.. I suspect the Subaru has very intelligent traction control , or a slip controlled rear differential
I have no doubt that the Subaru's have the best traction control system of all these vehicles but it looked to me that the outdoor track was perfectly dry for the Tribeca and Forester, but a little bit damp for the others. Maybe even a few spots of rain on the camera lens. Just saying.
Haha thats funny
No more questions for Subaru Forester.
and the fiat panda 4x4?
+djultrarage Not available in the US.
That's a shame, the little Panda might have passed the test.
not. they might pass but no better, and they cost another $25k
Any more videos about testing on this ramp?
would be great to include the year/model/trim. does the tested subaru have a rear LSD in it? is subaru that much better than the competition? thought rav4.1 and 4.2 were pretty good, but not sure c diff lock would have helped in the first test. would be cool if subaru offered a dual range transfer case, but i guess that would add a lot of weight
Don't think those Foresters got LSD. The 3.0r, GT, Spec b liberty outback platform got them with the 5EAT, as did all rexies. But AFAIK the 2.5s did not have LSD
Where is Mitsubishi Pajero or Outlander
Different class of SUV, the forester is in the SUV crossover class.
@@thebigwarthog You are right. I didn't think like that.
Break lights on the Food where disconnected. The engine rev'd a little too much with too little wheel spin. It's almost like the driver was holding the break.
What about MDX SHAWD?
I used to think my little Chevy Cobalt was good in the snow until I got a 2013 Forester. Man was I wrong, the Forester kicks it's butt lol
Need an up to date test 2021.
I know this video is old but I hate false advertising. The equinox has a button you have to push to engage the AWD. It will only pull with the front tires until so.
what about vw 4motion (audi quattro). thats a very good system and it is no wonder why they didnt include a vehicle equipped with it in this comparison.
Seems like a rear differential with some kind of "limited slip" ability (clutch, viscous or helical) would've COMPLETELY made a difference in this test...
I think if any one of those vehicles tested HAD a "rear limited slip" setup, they would've been able to climb this ramp and pass this test.
In my opinion, it's damned ridiculous to even offer an AWD drivetrain option, without even offering a limited slip rear diff. as an option.
It should come standard-equipped when said vehicle is fitted with any kind of AWD option....
Pretty dumb to have an "all wheel drive" SUV with open diffs at each end.
Thug life Subaru :).. Beats them all!!
Ford "intelligent awd system"... Lol
subaru literally has something called "intelligent drive" right now... no 4x4 enthusiast takes subaru's seriously. No locking diffs, they're not going anywhere serious.
@@krebgurfson5732 Most 4WDs don't come with lockers. An aftermarket lunchbox locker is available for Subarus though. Winchmounts too.
"Independent test" their name is "Subaru Puyallup"
That's a good point.
Donovan Douglas lol its kinda bad, cause im a HUGE Subaru fan (I own an STI ffs) but this is just them bashing on other cars lol!
all the dumb and still received 24 likes.
Subaru of Puyallup is a dealership in Puyallup, Washington.
Independent or not, if you had an understanding of the different types of center differentials, you'd see why the others never had a chance on a test like this. They only divert 10-15 percent of available torque to the rear. On a car with 150 lb of tq, that's only 15-20 lbs. You can't move 3500 lbs uphill with 20 lb/ft of tq.
In another video the forrester and 2 other subaru models had the right front and rear wheels on rollers and all failed. in another test the 2 front wheels and the left rear wheels were o rollers and it also failed. only the volvo and audi made it. It changed my mind...
I have Sub2012 ... no problems, even i riding in a desert when surround temper +50
The best compact SUV
You forgot the two Acura SUV with SH-AWD they both can climb that hill in frozen Ice.
lol no its not. torque vectoring is superior to 4wd
Acura is Honda, lol...
@@michalmilko8347yes, but SH-AWD system Installed at Honda Pilot and Acura's models only. That's why so many people confused.....
i would install addidional brake lines to all 4 brakes and control the traction manualy,just apply gas and apply brake for the wheel that has no traction,this way the diferential would send the power to the only wheel that has traction,if 3 wheels are on ice and 1 has traction,i would brake those 3 without traction and with a bit of luck that the driveshaft will not break the car will move
***** with small brake cylinders with brake levers,same that motorcycle's use,4 separate levers for each of the 4 wheels,simple
The little soo-bar-oooo. Wow
Did all the vehicles have the Traction Control of except the Subaru?
The problem is if 2 wheels on one side start slipping it wont climb . i wish forester had a dif block
meanwhile land rover : "is this what you guys call off road comparison, wow that's cute ,, so much fun? ahan! "
What about Acura?
***** Acura has one of THE BEST AWD systems ever.
***** :/
nigmosh65 At least in sedans, Acuras AWD system is the exact same as a Honda. In fact, all Acuras are effectively just Hondas with different looking body design and a higher price tag.
tavshedfjols Looks like we got an expert over here!
Haha Acura offers their Super Handling AWD in the TLX, MDX, and RLX which is completely different than the CRV's AWD. The RDX has a pretty similar crappy AWD though. Also, the Honda Ridgeline and Pilot share a fantastic AWD system.
You actually can get up the slope with all the cars. turn off traction control, lock 4wd, and floor it. the 160+ hp of these wheels, even if only 20% is given to 1 wheel, that 30 some hp should be able to push the car up a 15 degree incline
which of these vehicles have a locking center differential? with open differentials, power transfer is 100% of axle torque to the wheel with least traction. brake traction systems must overcome the engine torque upon one spinning wheel to transfer the 100% to the other wheel and drive it.
with a locked center diff, 50% goes to front and back. with the open diffs these cars have, only the wheel with least traction may get the 80 hp of 160 available. seeing as the brakes aren't really up to that challenge, I seriously doubt they can transmit your "30" hp to the ground.
KTMcaptain Good point. You actually should leave traction control on, Even without a locking dif, the tcs should take away enough power from the loose wheel and transfer it to the other. That being said, it may or may not be enough depending on the incline
g1122123 well it does, you can see the spinning wheel momentarily stop then the vehicle lurches forward and as it does that wheel begins to spin again.
the braking system needs to stay engaged the whole time, for once that wheel on the rollers is released from the brakes it will spin and kill all drive.
Subaru has better programming, and a true limited slip center differential, so the system need only stop 1 wheel from spinning instead of 3.
g1122123 fyi, you're the first person to actually say good point. I get dozens of notifications from people telling me they know and I don't. but when I present empirical evidence to substantiate my claim and they can't, they all get very angry and call me names. one person said I should kill myself.
thank you for your class
KTMcaptain Thanks. And it seems to be the internet etiquette, agree or hate.
Subaru be like: 4WD. All wheel gets POWER. Sound easy.
Everyone else: WE NEED COMPUTERS TO MAKE IT WORK.
what? Subaru is literally doing that right now with x-mode. There is nothing mechanical that can provide all tire power AND be safe on the roads. Locking differentials must be toggled and subaru's don't have them.
Did they not use the diff lock on the RAV4? I can see the outside wheel spinning and this type of climb is what that's for.
lol exactly, the RAV4 has superior AWD than any subaru
Like it, but the test is unfair. There should be some full time 4x4 in the test like the Audi/Volvo/Landrovers...
no its shouldn't. the test should be within vehicles in the same price range.
+Jahan Aquil The reason it's in the same price range is because it sacrifices everything else, not as comfortable, not as many gadgets etc. So you sacrificed creature comfort, for a full time AWD system. Put a full time AWD against a bunch of slip reacting systems, and obviously won. Meanwhile, anyone who seriously off roads buy's a jeep, and leaves the Subarus to soccer moms.
If you compared it to even a jeep compass or something, it would get absolutely demolished, when off roading.
+Dangerous Amoeba
ok? I'm aware of all this and I'm not too sure what you are getting at.
That this 'test' is bullshit.
+Dangerous Amoeba well of course its bullshit. BUT there is a reason some cars are excluded and some people don't understand that.
Even the description says that the vehicles in the test are market competition.
After some research, it seems not all AWDs are created equal. Most CUVs have FRONT BIASED AWD, which is to save fuel in everyday driving, but when conditions gets very ugly or having to climb 30+ degrees slopes ( th-cam.com/video/0_MXK2nzt2Y/w-d-xo.html ), they are simply outmatched, and you start to see and appreciate superior systems and the technology behind it.
Granted, few people will take their vehicles to these extremes, but as a consumer I would feel assured that a vehicle can tackle thru these mild to medium obstacles. I'm not a Subaru owner, but I'm impressed with their SYMMETRICAL AWD system, which is similar in perfomance to Audi's Quattro. Their Boxer engines are similar in configuration to Porsche's, allowing for a lower engine mount in the chassis, thus achieving a lower center of gravity which translates into better stability when pushed to its limits vs. its competition.
They must have done something right, for the Forester to have won: a) 2014's Motor Trend's best SUV of the year. b) 2014 Consumer Report's best small SUV of the year.
Subaru used to build ugly cars, I didn't consider them at all, they were not even on my test drive list. Since Toyota bought a stake in the company, I guess the Capital Infusion must have helped them design better looking cars. After Toyota killed its V6 in their CUV segment, there were hardly any sporty/fun/reliable CUVs on the market. Now I would consider a Forester XT, when the time comes to replace my Toyota RAV 4 V6 AWD. (265 HP)
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th-cam.com/video/gw1nNdEVPf8/w-d-xo.html (Subaru goes where only True 4x4 with locking differential dare to go)
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why didnt they compite with audi allraod? also all the compitetors are 60% front wheel drive, which will make it hard to climp
How the power is manage left and right on a Subaru?? LSD or traction control with open differential??
Subaru the best
good test but on your test ,there is no audi quattro system ,bmw x drive system or mercedes 4matic sytem they do the same as subaru so next time can you include them at least we can see who is the best .
+farayi muzvuzvu i guess they are not in the same price range. im sure acura mdx with sh-awd can do very well too
+edwinlee4 SH-AWD actually out-performs everything in its class.. Look for the same test performed by the USAC for all those vehicles in the same price range.
+farayi muzvuzvu This test is not designed to test all commercially available AWD Systems, This Test is comparing the cars in the same price range than the Forester.. In this scenario the Forester is better equipped for the money.
I like these kind of real world tests, but a few more bits of info would have been nice. Did any models have electronic differential lockers? Did they all have traction control in addition to AWD? Did any have locking transfer cases (full time 4wd vs AWD)? Nice demos, guys. :-)
No, they dont have differential lockers
I know the Rav4 has a button to lock the t-case into a 50/50 torque split front/rear up to 20mph, then it reverts back to the standard AWD settings, but not sure on the other models they tested...most systems are actually front wheel drive until traction is lost then the system sends power to the other wheels, but in these tests as soon as a wheel slips they let off the accelerator preventing the system from actually transferring power so as to make it look like those vehicles failed.
None of them have locking differentials.
Where is SH-AWD ?
why Tyundai Tucson is not here or suzuki vitara?
We have both Subaru and Toyota, Subaru can go where Toyota 4runner V8 with engaged center lock and 4low can't (yes I am being being sarcastic :) )
nice subaru wrx symmetrical awd wheel
What about quattro, xdrive, 4matic and 4motion?
Typical, a company only comparing it self to certain other companies to make them look better. Obviously they didn't show an Audi with their Quattro system because Audis Quattro system would've tackled that ramp with ease. Probably even better than that Subi.
Audi is great, but a different class. They're actually one of the closest to the symmetrical awd of subaru.
xXblinnyboyXx subaru share the same relation to Audi awd
Is Audi Quattro - an SUV?
Part time awd sucks. So many cars have it now days with some sort of special name for it. Either have part time 4wd or have full time awd.
That's why I like my 4WD vehicles, when you pull the lever its in 4WD, no guessing as to if you have traction going to the front and rear. One vehicle has a couple added components to make sure I have real 4WD...lockers front and rear. If you don't have lockers you don't have real 4WD, just some modified version of 2WD in most cases unless you have at least limited slip and then that only gets you so far as the clutch packs don't handle fully locked action they only can achieve some percentage of a fully locked differential.
versus audi?
Did you activated the central lock ?
Where was the RDX and MDX with their SHAWD systems?
How come they didn't test acura sh awd
Is that pair on different road condition?
I'm sold on suburu. Great vehicles
On the ramp test, it was used only the AWD mode. I would like to see what would happen if LOCK key was used on the RAV4, for example... it was just a AWD test. Not a complete and honest test.
Can someone explain this? I don't understand. According to this video (at 8:00) subaru is not handling well.
You chose the only test that gives Subaru an advantage. In reality, all those cars would have climbed the ramp if traction was available on BOTH rear wheels.
I do think that Subaru's are the best - but is it the same model/make of tires on all cars?
Everything fine and dandy for the subaru.. But where is Quattro, x drive, and 4 matic ? Cuz those are better then subaru's awd
Those aren't in it's class...
press the LOCK button on the rav4 and it will go up..
No, no it wont. It has a generic V6, like most of the other vehicles. Even the much heavier Tribeca made it up the hill. My GF has a Rav4 identical to that, and even my 1997 Outback out does it in the snow.
Darren Good , not all have the v6, mine has 2.2 D-Cat 130kw engine
Timo Klap I was referring to the one used in the video. You can see the V6 badge on the front. Its a 260ish hp 3.5 V6, whereas the Forester "only" has around 170 horse from its 2.5 Boxer engine.
Wrong - used to have a rav, and there was no lock button
babakh20 must have been front wheel drive then, all awd versions HAVE a lock button beside the steering wheel
most suzuki 4wd systems would take those challenges. my suzuki has lockable center lsd that's made by heavy industries, the same company that makes Subaru.
+Torbjørn Larsen What year is yours? I have a 2013 and I love it, it tackles anything.
+David Cazes and old 2006 with low mileage. never been stuck anywhere.
powow
Where is bmw with xDrive?! Where is suzuku sx4 /it has ALL diffs lock/?
Why do you stop gas everytime when nonslipping wheel get a torque /except subaru, there u didn`t stop gas, and that is the cause is goes up/ on the rolers?
Didi you use the same tires for the other test?
With all these false ads you go so down in my eyes!!!
+IskamDa Nameeto If you paid close attention, they all hold the gas even while its sliding backwards. Only when its slid backwards too far(notice wheels are still moving forward at same rate) then they let off gas so they don't slide off the ramps. The ford was sliding side to side, so she had to let up. There was no need for Subaru's driver to let off of gas till it reached the top, because it didn't slide backwards.
Also, listen to the speaker. He tells about what each vehicle is made to do while trying to send the power to the wheel with traction. Most of those cars took too much power away from slipping wheels, while not sending enough to the non slipping wheel. Some makes were trying to act smart and calculate the power needed in realtime but failed.
So what looked to you as them letting off the pedal, was explained as the system itself trying to adjust the power.
Also Protip: In the real world, when you lose traction, you don't want to keep hammering on the gas hoping it'll catch.
Bmw apparently total shit my friends x7 three engines and off road a joke
nice test... but you should use same kind of tires to every car... :P
when you have a SUV, and you really need it, but your 4x4 doesn't work... wtf?!
Nico 93
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Heres an idea, turn stability control off and burn the shit out of that rear diff. In a pinch that can get it done.
And where is Audi with Quattro ?
Subaru had always had the best and.. because its actually and.. great job subaru 🥰👍
My CRV is my hero.
Funny how the never showcase a Jeep Patriot or Jeep Compass, reason being their AWD system would perform exactly like the Subaru.
notice how they dont use a single jeep in any of these tests
it's almost like they said lets test cars of the same class.
dudes try Jeep commander with Quadra Drive II system :)
you should try the Mercedes Benz ML320's 4x4 system. It would blow all of these out of the water and climb that ramp pulling a 5000lbs trailer
Shoulda added an Acura rdx with sh awd ....woulda have done just as good if not better . And no the Honda CR-V is NOT equipped with the same sh-awd that is available in the rdx.
Compares the Acura SHawd
My old ISUZU RODEO with LSD on rear axle can the same as Subaru:)
nothing can beat quattro and subaru
LSD is so much old tech... and rarely used so that become a least significant tech to general suvs. I think moose test is much more practical to these vehicles.
Comparing Subaru AWD to a Cute Ute AWD is like comparing an HD truck 4wd to Subaru AWD. It's all about how much torque the system will distribute.
Those other cars are simply not designed for that. They will, though, work in most situations faced by their owners. If, however, you live in the mountains or have a steep driveway it's time to think about a Subaru. If you live in Nebraska a Rav 4 is fine.
Stop saying Jeep compass or renegade. Nobody wants a vehicle with ass in the name and FCA managed to turn a bad brand, into a worse brand. Ask any mechanic before you reply. ANY mechanic. ANY. MECHANIC.
But Aaron, what about Subaru head gaskets?
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Thanks other Aaron. So, I guess I'll take the shitty Toyota AWD on the Siena and get stuck now and then, but I can use that time to watch my odometer tick over 300,000 trouble free miles as the tires spin.
Why i bought a subie!
wheres the jeep? oh right on the other side already ;P
its pretty useless when the ratio is locked. The jeep's 4x4 is not considered an AWD system so its not tested, its locked 4x4.
jeep is useless in this test
it jeeps completely lock the torque split so no, it wouldnt have any issues climbing this
I wanna buy a Subaru now that I saw this video
Subaru alllllllll the way
Subaru won!
wheres the Mitsi Outlander.
ESP - OFF?