Which CPU would you pick in your laptop? 🤔 See how both compare in games at 1080p and 1440p in the follow up video: th-cam.com/video/wWHGZJYBGQI/w-d-xo.html
Ty for paying attention to what people want to see and delivering! I have been hooked on your channel the last couple months! Your content is much appreciated!
Being a laptop, which emphasizes on portability and battery only usage, I'd say the Ryzen is a wiser choice (plus cheaper). It's also a pity that you can't undervolt that much the Intel, it may also be a case that Intel has fine tuned the processor in order to remain competitive against AMD
The intel versions suspiciously have better configurations too. Better screen, better SSD, better RAM. Thus forcing the customers hand to pick Intel. BRIBES.
Eh, I don't know. I think Intel just gives the most trash out of their CPUs to reviewers, since they don't get money from it, why bother giving a good one? Also, my current laptop has Intel 2C/4T 22nm, and when I undervolt it -62mV, the temp doesn't go down (lol), but I get around 5-10% higher score in Geekbench. Maybe Jarrod should use Throttlestop instead of the built-in software to undervolt the CPU, he might be able to get better results.
@@SF-li9kh I was intent on going AMD and finally went Intel based on Amazon bargain, the fact I could store games on external harddrives. If it's not worth a 100 GB transfer overnight, probably not worth playing.
The thing is, the H category is aimed at high-performance and gaming laptops, which will spent most of the time wired to the wall. The U category for ultrabooks is where portability is more important and battery life is strong selling point, and if I'm not mistaken AMD takes the lead there as well.
An important metric for me: the difference in results at low and high power settings, as low power is important. The Ryzen showed much smaller differences compared to the Intel, pretty well obviating the need for higher power settings.
I know it's not fair to compare, but still would love to see the actual thermal results, just curious about that. Other than that - perfect video, thanks!
@@thesheepthemightythecrazy only if it affects the usability, no like warning the keyboard, build more noise because the lack of good thermal interface and heating up. I don't feel the lack of thermal comparison, but I feel the lack of the Intel I've mentioned above. At least the noise comparison, since the heat would not concern me because I use my own keyboard. Other than that, one could argue that the thermal comparison would show us who would last longer in time, or something like that, but I don't think this is a real matter, since till today I have a bunch of 2013-2015 Intel laptops which never have seen new thermal paste, only RAM and SSD upgrades, and one AMD as well.
well as you can see on the 80w test, intel beats out amd in most cases.....and under shared loads depending on the cooling solution and interface its really hard to determine which is better from an "inherent" chip aspect. As depending on the system it is quite hard to cool amd as well as a 120W+ gpu in a shared load often lowering wattage on the CPU side to promote more GPU power in game scenario. Situations where id find intel able to carry a larger cpu load while fully powering a gpu.
This was a failry interesting review, for once someone addressing power limits and efficency on battery. I'm gonna look forward to the gaming test, theoretically the pci gen 4 should boost the intel performance a little but we should see how it fares with a 3060
PCIE gen 4 will NEVER make any difference in gpu performance. The bandwidth limit is never hit of PCIE gen 3 even with 3080. The pcie gen 4 is just marketing this generation. Maybe rtx 4000 and radeon 7000 might be able to take advantage of pcie gen 4.
Yes, he made a video comparing a 10th gen laptop vs a Zen 3 laptop and we saw that 16x PCIe 3.0 on the Intel system vs 8x PCIe 3.0 on the AMD system made a difference. The 16x PCIe 4.0 lanes of the Tiger Lake based laptop will probably increase that gap even further.
@@Patrick73787 the difference you saw is because of different cpu architectures. GN and Linus did a video comparing x8 vs x16 PCIe 3 and PCIe 3 vs 4 respectively, which show that, in GPU bound games it makes no difference between x8 gen 3 vs x16 gen 4. Games that need faster lane are Esport titles, which go north of 400 FPS playing at 1080p or lower. PCIe 4 on laptop barely brings anything to the table, unless you are pro players, which somehow have to use gaming laptop.
The thing I really like about AMD cpus is the much higher base clock.. so you can disable turbo boost and basically have a workable cpu frequency to play games and do most work tasks, whilst keeping heat and noise way down. With intel you either have to have an unlocked processor to do it in XTU or hope that throttlestop will work with a locked cpu like the 11800H, which is also up to the laptop manufacturer. for example, apple completely locks their 9980HK in windows bootcamp and you absolutely can't adjust anything with the multipliers. All that said, I found with my 10980HK I could disable turbo and still play almost any game over 60 at ultra, so the 11th gen at 2.5 should be better cause it's a much faster cpu clock for clock anyway.. Although I am hoping with my coming 11900h asus that I can use throttlestop to land all cores at around 3.5ghz permanently with high performance enabled, which will suit all my tasks and be quiet and low temps.
Intel for me for sure, since I usually have a laptop plugged in at a desk anyway. And for the people who say "why not use a desktop:" In case you haven't noticed, desktop parts are absurdly overpriced still. For the price of a desktop 3060 ALONE, I can get an entire functioning system with a display included that has the mobile 3060 in it (and I know they're different, but you get the point.) Laptops are literally cheaper per measure of performance than desktops are this past year, and probably for the time being. It's a weird place to be.
The AMD processor is clearly better. But Intel finally woke up and started competing with a good processor this year. Competition is good for the customers.
I just bought the Legion 5i Pro with i7 11800H ( upgrading from a i3 5th Gen). I’m in the moon . Absolutely brilliant processor and laptop. Extremely happy
@@Hanntz89 i recently got mine and the 11800H really has no drawbacks in the 5i. Coolong is good. Never seen temps above 80 even after hours of gaming.
how in non shared workloads intel and amd 5900hx are still capable of performing beyond 45w. Even simulated benchmarks where various portions are cpu and gpu only as well as combined which is really more or less a test/benchmark of the cooling system and if it has liquid metal....then you add intel chips like their ultrabook line which is made to excel at low wattages and still have high IPC and singlecore and multi core scores at low wattages.
Nice, so it's clear 5800H is better as mobility (read: battery life, efficiency, thermals) matters more than maximum performance for me. Not to mention it's still win under many practical situations.
for working un-plugged it does help especially ones that route HDMI to i-gpu for "pesentation mode" when not plugged. Like the zeph g15....when you run 60% max charge....still having 4-5hrs of life is pretty insane NGL
Talking about ryzen processors, I would like to know the lifetime of ryzen processors, plus in my region I find 11th gen intel laptops for less price than the 5800H laptops, if we look, the single core of the 11th gen intel i7 is magnificent, but in rendering or stuff like that, the 5800H is “slightly”, better, so if you want to do gaming or stuff, go for intel but if you want for like editing, rendering, modelling in blender etc. go for Ryzen, otherwise both processors are great.
@@anhiirr yea, I think The 5800H has better battery life, but if you put your laptop on battery saving mode, it will give you “at least” a 4 hour of backup while doing normal work (not including gaming)
I would say both are amazing and getting one of them in hand is lucky enough. Though if I am forced to choose, I would choose AMD because I like having more Battery Life, and not all laptop will be capable of drawing 80W or 125W in CPU. But both are amazing!
@Meta Data I would like to see any review where PCI gen makes any difference. Based on every review I've seen, Intel has improved game performance due to the single-threaded performance.
@Meta Data I haven't read anything, I've seen virtually every credible review on the tube and NONE of them have identified PCI 4 making any difference. I'm not discounting or referring to anything else you wrote.
@@darrell9616 You would be correct. PCIe Gen 4 has done nothing to increase performance and if there is some gain, it's margin of error stuff. People have just been incorrectly assuming that the new gen PCIe means it'll increase performance when benchmarks show that isn't the case. What gives Intel the edge is higher single core performance and more L3 cache.
@@SF-li9kh I can attest to this. In most games, you won't see the CPU go past 35W-45W. However, there are some cases (like Warzone) where you may see the CPU go higher than that to like 50W-60W but I only see those during load times honestly. Unless you're benchmarking or rendering something that is insanely CPU bound, no laptop CPU is going to consume 80W or 125W. Power needs to be given to the GPU as well. Intel is still a bit ahead in gaming performance though due to higher single core speeds and more L3 cache.
@@JarrodsTech Ok great to know since I did not face many of the issues you mentioned previously on a 5800H/3060 one since it came with good dual channe ram and a 144hz screen with 99%srgb
@@NuclearNotebook How is it going for you mines doing pretty fine. A 12900 on CR23 , and pretty good fps on basically any game. I have a 144hz FHD 3ms screen so no delay and stuff. Only thing bummed is no mux and the fact that the gpu can run much higher since the temps rarely even pass 70 while playing control on auto fan
Ahh nice i'll buy acer nitro 5 too, but i'm still confused about ryzen 7 and i7 11th gen.. I'm gonna learn to use video editing apps like After effects, Premiere, etc. Which one is the best for it? Intel or Ryzen?
Almost double the wattage to get a small increase in performance... I wonder how both performs after 3 hours of heavy gaming or heavy workload with cpu intensive software. Let the throttling kick it!
@@DiogoFilipeR power consumption is only one part of thermals though. If the die size is larger, there will be better thermal contact and therefore easier to cool. That’s why the 5800x is so much harder to cool than 5900x despite same power draw.
Thanks for all your work, I was looking for a mid range laptop for work and general stuff as well as gaming and your vids have been so helpful, thanks Jarrod.
@@why_tho_ and silicon is more efficient at lower clocks and lower power. At 15w the 5800u is far more efficient than 45w 5800H. 5800H is not even close to 3 times as fast as 5800u.
In this kind of comparison can you also show us results for some selected benchmarks for 20-25W power limit? This will show the performance that is expected in quiet mode. That would be very useful.
I have a question, I have a Ryzen 7 5800x and the temperature runs in the 60s Celsius when playing games, is that normal temp for the Ryzen 7 5800x? I also have an RTX 3070 ti
Exactly what I want to see. I own a maxed Legion 7 with Ryzen. I expect to be beaten, but by how much? I don't regret my choice anyway. Every review of a 11th gen Intel so far has some odd flaw, either by design or child diseases.
I would say the Intel Core CPUs, especially the I9 is worth it when you have around a 80-100 Watt headroom for the CPU. As soon as you are talking about thinner and lighter machines such as the XPS 15 I would prefer the Ryzen CPUs in order to have maximum CPU power while minimizing the heat.
@@SF-li9kh that is true, on the other hand the cpu will not be utilized 100 percent for gaming anyways so the Intel cpus will probably still be able to hit their maximum clockspeeds when gaming.
@Meta Data Does single thread speed even matter anymore with modern games like RDR2 ? MetroExodus? Assassin's Creed Valhalla? Modern games will be multithreaded I'm assuming. So looking so forward to his gaming comparison.
@@Avarent01 Nvidias dynamic boost 2.0 actually lowers the CPU wattage to 35 in a lot of games so clockspeeds dip. My 11400H sits at 3-3.4GHz at 30W due to Dynamic boost lowering it in-game. A mates 5600H doesn't go below max boost despite this because of the more efficient design. For gaming you really shouls get Ryzen and enable dynamic boost for a GPU power increase.
Great comparison as always. I'm going to decide whether an "all AMD" laptop is going to be my pick once the new AMD laptop GPUs are out. I'm particularly interested in a comparison of the entry models - RTX 3060 vs AMD 6600m. Any idea when laptops with AMD GPUs might become available?
I ordered a legion 5 pro with a 5800h because it seemed like it was priced well, it doesn't appear to be available anymore. I'm looking at the Legion 5i pro, offering the same base specs, just with the 11800h and I sh*t you not it runs about 500€ more expensive. I completely kitted up the legion 5 pro I ordered, more ram, more storage, windows 10 pro, 3070 instead of a 3060 and it was still cheaper than the base intel model is now.(this is directly through lenovo). WHAT?!?!
For a laptop that is used plugged in mostly, Intel. For a laptop that is used on battery mostly, AMD. Clearly 10nm Superfin is a massive improvement from 14nm.
Thank you for this detailed comparison ! Very useful 👍 In my country, Ryzen processors are cheaper than Intel processors, that too by a significant amount, so ig, Ryzen should be the go to for budget laptops
Jarod, can you do a noise to performance comparison test in the future. Sometimes having a silent but powerful laptop makes sense such as in a library or classroom or even video conferencing.
nice to finally see a "power from the wall" in a laptop reviews. people keeps ignoring this part. maybe an idle/browsing power consumption will have been even better (on both power limits but i guess it will be the same)
I'm looking at two laptops who only differ in the processor (11800H or 5800H) right now. I don't play video games anymore and only need the dGPU for 3D rendering, so I'm going with the 5800H. Less heat and more battery life, and more performance for productivity. I don't need Thunderbolt.
what you say is correct I have had intel and it does have good performance but they get so hot in turbo mode it is horrible unless you do an undervolt you will lose performance in fps games they go down a bit, now the amd issue gets less hot for that they do not use as much power something to keep in mind I prefer to have a processor that is cold in games than not to have thermal trolling like intel
Based on these sets of graphs; it shows that the Ryzen CPU cannot use so much power. I know you measured the same power but this is likely with the GPU and not just using the CPU. Since its pretty clear from the performance numbers that the 5800H is barely faster with 80W power limit vs 45W power limit. This is also what I experience on my Alienware M15 R5; the performance barely drops at all until you set the power limit under 30W. The chip only seems to use 32-36W while gaming so even setting a 40W power limit had a 0% difference on performance in gaming; however in benchmarks it does go down by a few % from 65W to 45W.... setting it to even 100W doesn't make a difference at all as the max power the chip seems to use is 72W and it doesn't seem to get any additional performance (under 1%) from this additional power.
Doesn't that also mean that the avg between high and low power is better on AMD overall? As far as the 80W performance is comparable, isn't it better to have the flexibility?
@@thaibreuer3533 Yes it is overall better, but in a laptop you want to have the most power available for your GPU and screen. This means more screen brightness on battery for a longer battery life (or just more battery life in general) or more power for other tasks involving iGPU and Storage even if those are small in comparison to a dGPU.
XMG is only a assembler and configurator for chassis designers TongFang and Clevo. Eluktronics and PCSpecialist do the same, and there are more. Don't know about Malaysia though, but I guess there are similar brands. XMG are very good at pushing the latest fast. I have a good impression of them, but that goes for PCSpecialist too. Search and ye shall find. :)
You could’ve done the thermals and then given context for increase in cooling for liquid metal based on other computers where they’ve tested standard paste with liquid metal
HP Victus is a steal right now in India w/ 5800H + 3060. Just wish there were more in-depth reviews like Jarrod's so we would know of any pitfalls of that laptop b4 pulling the trigger. It's crazy that similar config of Omen costs $350-400 more. P. S.-I know Jarrod isn't getting this config rather one with the 1650 instead, dammit!
@Meta Data do u have any links/articles to back that claim?? Also only a handful of laptops at that 1 Lac price point perfom well enough considering majority of them are still Intel & have bad temps also due to much higher ambient temps than what most reviewers use (21-24°C) From what I've read it's mostly using a similar cooling design to the Omen, so it shouldn't be too bad.
Hey Jarrod, are there any plans to cover HP Victus? I’m getting a 20% price difference in similar variants (Ryzen 7/ RT3060) so I wanted to know if Victus would be a better choice.
Hi Hritwik, I'm assuming you from India. Please go with AMD if there is such a high price difference. I personally am looking at the TUF A15. And the sellers are selling overpriced 5800H , as same as the intel price because the demand for 5800H is so high that they are pricing it same as intel !!
@@SF-li9kh A15 is decent. My neighbour got it for 110k. Only thing I saw bad is display colors and temps. Temps are not that high hitting 90. With a cooling pad you might be good. But in tuf series you can't set manual fan curve. I got the Zephyrus G15 and I get 90°c in turbo mode but 80°c on manual. As for display it is 72% ntsc vs my 100% P3 color but if you don't have anything to compare you will feel its alright. I did pay 140k for G15 so comparing display is not fair.
@@SF-li9kh just keep in mind that on paper specs and benchmarks is not the only thing we should be looking at considering the market here in India. The screens, battery life, noise and how the laptop performs day to day should also be put into consideration. That is the reason why I preordered a legion 5 pro instead of all the equivalent laptops, the plus point being it is the best RTX3060 laptop you can get to date.
I used to consider myself buying a 5800H laptop but after watching your video now I'm considering myself buying a 11800H laptop . But I will be waiting for the gaming benchmarks . 😋 Channel already subscribed . 🙃
Nice video and great information. When it comes to these videos of comparison I would of liked to see a close up of the keyboard with its rgb and the actual model numbers or model names for each laptop so we could know exactly what model they are.
AMD is now better for laptop efficiency and battery life wise. Still, I'd want to get a 10nm superfin desktop CPU when they come out. They are incredible overclockers.
Isn't it a bit interesting that Intel chose to apply their 10 nm tech to laptop CPUs and not desktop CPUs at this point? Up until 1-2 months ago, everybody wanted a Ryzen-based laptop.
@@henrikg1388 everybody still want ryzen laptop afaik. Intel processors (even 10nm ones) can suck in terms of performance on battery, especially if it's not the top of the stack best silicon quality sku. At first 10nm was very bad. Low yield, poor frequency scaling with voltage meant that they would make worse than 14nm desktop CPUs. With superfin they changed the structure of the finfet so that it scales great with high power. It made perfect sense to release desktop later.
Thank you for all the hardwork you put in the videos. Got myself a legion 5 pro yesterday on pre-order. Really excited. Maybe I'll upgrade the ram too :)
I did not like the fact that you used a bit of dark design to show AMD in the bottom throughout the benchmarks and then put them on top for the Battery results. Muscle memory from the previous graphs leads people to believe that the Intel gave better battery as it was on the top bar for all tests except battery. Otherwise great video
While your assertion is surely undertstandable, for a GAMING laptop you aren't expected to play with either of those on battery (those Tongfang cripples so much their GPU cTGP and CPU PL that anything becomes unplayeable and however locked at 30fps by design). So, if I were to choose a laptop for GAMING, my preferences would look at the best condition where they actually can be used for playing well, that is when plugged in, and consuming the power they need.
@@TheMacco26 unless Tiger Lake wildly beats Cezanne by at least 10% in gaming with that small price difference (we know it's faster, it's a matter of how much), obsessing over gaming performance doesn't mean much. You want gaming performance, buy a desktop (market issues be damned). Elsewise, Cezanne requires less power to the same amount of work as Tiger Lake away from the wall, not only allowing better battery life but also slower battery degradation. You can walk around more while a laptop is in standby, watch more of Jarrod's videos without fumbling with the charger in bed, withstand more power cuts. Tiger Lake H-45 is great for TB4, likely better gaming and faster SSDs but battery life handicap has been substantial in reviewers' hands.
@@vncube1 I substantially agree with you but for the Desktop part sugestion. For the 10% delta, we'll wait and see the next video about that by Jarrod I guess. Surely at native 1440p those 2 laptops will deliver pretty much the same FPS, I suspect though.
AMD are really doing a great job with those cheap power plants and the battery life. For me, the perfect laptop is (I really hope there will be one of those one day) Legion 7 Advantage Edition (Ryzen 9 5900HX + RX6800m)!!!
I guess this is the closest review we are gonna get for the Lenovo 5i 6th Gen 11800H / 3060 Model (17’) I really would love for him to review that laptop but I do understand it’s whatever he can get for review. Because of your laptop reviews I got a 11800H Legion and very excited to try Thunderbolt 4 (my main rig is AMD) I’m really excited to try some egpu setups ram upgrade and using a 2nd Monitor.
I picked up a Asus Tuf A15 with a 5800h 3060 & 16g of ram, then added a 1TB nvme drive. Ima happy camper now. Just went this way over building a desktop this year
I have the 11800H + 3070 (140watt) version from Tongfang - loving my laptop! use to have the Tongfang 5800H version with 3070, but swapped it for the 11800H because of the PCIe 4.0 x16 for the dGPU and liquid metal option. mine comes with a 230watt power brick which worries me a bit lol. Love your channel Jarrod!!!
@Meta Data Tongfang is the manufacturer of the barebone that XMG or Eluktronics use, so they should be 99% the same (difference comes from softwares and some software optimizations)
How are the thermals with your config? I really value thermals and only intel config is offered with liquid metal. Jarrod misses big time here by just skipping thermals. I just want to know the thermal numbers of the intel config with liquid metal. I know its not fair to compare, but just give us the thermal numbers for info. I cant find any info about the thermal performance of the intel config with liquid metal so if you can let me know, it'll be very helpful!
Forgive me. I'm not so well versed in this. But what advantage does Thunderbolt give ? I'm assuming eGPU, but doesn't it connect to the intel iGPU ? So will eGPU work ?
AMD ----- Battery, More performance at lower watts, Lower thermals ( not sure ), Low cost Intel ----- More performance at higher watts Pcie gen4 Thunderbolt 4 (future proofing) Which would you select for content creation and normal gaming ? (Anything else to add?)
so the intel one has liquid metal :) temps are everything, i prefer having a less powerful CPU that can run for hours without thermal throttling than a more powerful one, that would eventually with time overheat, hard choice, AMD seem to be the safest choice, it depends on how the graphics card in it is powered does it the full wattage it needs for example with the 3070(there is 4 versions 80 - 100 - 120 and 140W), and can you on the AMD one, run both of them at the same at full load, 45W for the CPU and 140 W for the RTX 3070 those are the important questions to have ...
That's the main reason I chose Ryzen as well. It has more than enough power for me and it get the benefit of battery life and battery performance for my portability needs. Although for the desktop replacement people, Intel is definitely going to be the better choice.
@@ngeorge9673 yeah for people whose first priority is performance and portability second, then Intel is a great choice. Overall I think Ryzen is better, but at least now Intel's offerings are very competitive and it's not an outright win for team red (aside from niche features like Thunderbolt or PCIe gen 4).
Different processors just work differently, my guess is the Ryzen architecture is just power efficient (hence better battery life) and the design means it doesn't benefit too much more from more power.
Ryzen is running at a high base clock thus performs better at low power. The higher base clocks don't have a negative effect due to smaller nanometres. If intel moved to 7nm they could also have used a higher base clock
Hello, you do really great job. I want to buy a new laptop mostly for gaming and I can’t decide between these two: Lenovo Legion 5 17, AMD 7 5800H, 16GB RAM, rtx 3070 1TB ssd HP OMEN 17, i7 11800H, 16GB RAM, rtx 3070, 512 GB ssd Thank you very much. I would appreciate also opinion from other users.
I think the diffence isn't enough to give up PCIE 4 and Thunderbolt 4 even though I like the AMD results better for my use cases. Can't wait for Alder Lake.
I remember just recently Intel stated something along the lines of laptops should be benched on batteries as it was a true test of a laptop function, of course at the time intel had better battery life and did much more comparable to AMD then. So judging by this AMD is clearly the winner by a large margin
Hello, I have 2 options to buy: 1)Lenovo legion 5 pro 5800h 3060 2) Lenovo legion 5 pro 11800H 3050 My feelings are that the option of 11800H 3050 might be a bit limited due to the video card 4GB, I think instead the more logic option will be to buy a bit downgrade processor AMD 5800h and take more advanced video card ... 3060 - Am I right?
The numbers will be far more interesting once the hardware has to balance power across the CPU and GPU, while at the same time trying to dissipate the resulting heat.
@@SF-li9kh That is where overall system performance starts to show. A 16 lane PCIe4 interface may be far faster than an 8 lane PCIe3 interface, but it also has a higher power draw. When just testing how much data can be sent across the link you will most likely see much higher performance, but maybe not when the power to drive that performance results in other parts of the system being limited.
I only wait for jarod's review since he cover every little detail in laptop reviews .. love his reviews.. waiting for hp victus review since I am confused between the 120hz ideapad gaming or 60hz hp victus (both have ryzen 5 and 1650)
Sorry if this is a silly question. I am looking at the legion 7 (intel and AMD). I see the intel says “45 Watts of dedicated processing power.” Does that mean I should only be looking at the 45w power limit results in this video and the 80w power limit results are irrelevant when deciding between the legion 7 intel and amd variants?
@@claritoresdiano1021 what do you mean? With the legion 7 if you do AMD or Intel, as it says “45 watts dedicated to cpu” does that mean we should ignore the 80w test results if going with legion 7 is what we are trying to understand.
Not exactly clear what that means, it might refer to the CPU power limit when the GPU is also active, like in a game, but that's often not actually listed on the specs, so maybe they are just copy pasting Intel's base spec or something. I would be astonished if the CPU did not boost higher than that in a CPU only workload. For gaming, as you'll see in the video this Friday, Intel is ahead even when both processors are at 45w
@@JarrodsTech thx for replied. You such a good guy. in Indonesia, tech reviewer never show detailed comparisson between product. they just show the goodness because they sponsored by the brand. keep your hard work matte 👍
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Which CPU would you pick in your laptop? 🤔
See how both compare in games at 1080p and 1440p in the follow up video: th-cam.com/video/wWHGZJYBGQI/w-d-xo.html
11800h
5800H, superior efficiency!
Xeon
5800H, I'm currently looking into buying a lenovo 5 pro
11800h
jarrod : which is better
me : they are probably close so what ever is cheaper.
or in stock 😎
@@JarrodsTech jarrod if he got to keep all his laptops he reviewed : STONKS
@@JarrodsTech hipity hopity your cpus are my property
@@GhostSlayerYT lol
@@GhostSlayerYT *mine*
Thank you Jarrod for these amazing reviews and comparisons!
No problem!
Ty for paying attention to what people want to see and delivering! I have been hooked on your channel the last couple months! Your content is much appreciated!
At this point, it comes down whether battery life, pricing, and Thunderbolt capability are important to you.
And AV1 support in hardware on the iGPU.
What is thunderbolt
positively The ryzen things will start to sell with thunderbolt support too
@@hungry_khid1007 if you don't know then you likely won't need to care about it 😂
@@xmg_gg I think It is coming with Van Gogh😄
Being a laptop, which emphasizes on portability and battery only usage, I'd say the Ryzen is a wiser choice (plus cheaper). It's also a pity that you can't undervolt that much the Intel, it may also be a case that Intel has fine tuned the processor in order to remain competitive against AMD
The intel versions suspiciously have better configurations too. Better screen, better SSD, better RAM. Thus forcing the customers hand to pick Intel.
BRIBES.
Eh, I don't know. I think Intel just gives the most trash out of their CPUs to reviewers, since they don't get money from it, why bother giving a good one?
Also, my current laptop has Intel 2C/4T 22nm, and when I undervolt it -62mV, the temp doesn't go down (lol), but I get around 5-10% higher score in Geekbench.
Maybe Jarrod should use Throttlestop instead of the built-in software to undervolt the CPU, he might be able to get better results.
@@SF-li9kh I was intent on going AMD and finally went Intel based on Amazon bargain, the fact I could store games on external harddrives. If it's not worth a 100 GB transfer overnight, probably not worth playing.
Can you undervolt Ryzen mobile now? I used to own the 3750h and couldn't do anything was locked
The thing is, the H category is aimed at high-performance and gaming laptops, which will spent most of the time wired to the wall. The U category for ultrabooks is where portability is more important and battery life is strong selling point, and if I'm not mistaken AMD takes the lead there as well.
An important metric for me: the difference in results at low and high power settings, as low power is important. The Ryzen showed much smaller differences compared to the Intel, pretty well obviating the need for higher power settings.
I know it's not fair to compare, but still would love to see the actual thermal results, just curious about that.
Other than that - perfect video, thanks!
For laptop CPUs. Thermals matter a hell of a lot. Without it this comparison is actually lacking, very lacking.
@@thesheepthemightythecrazy only if it affects the usability, no like warning the keyboard, build more noise because the lack of good thermal interface and heating up. I don't feel the lack of thermal comparison, but I feel the lack of the Intel I've mentioned above. At least the noise comparison, since the heat would not concern me because I use my own keyboard.
Other than that, one could argue that the thermal comparison would show us who would last longer in time, or something like that, but I don't think this is a real matter, since till today I have a bunch of 2013-2015 Intel laptops which never have seen new thermal paste, only RAM and SSD upgrades, and one AMD as well.
Yeah, me too. In that way we could at least guess how hot intel would be without liquid metal
well as you can see on the 80w test, intel beats out amd in most cases.....and under shared loads depending on the cooling solution and interface its really hard to determine which is better from an "inherent" chip aspect. As depending on the system it is quite hard to cool amd as well as a 120W+ gpu in a shared load often lowering wattage on the CPU side to promote more GPU power in game scenario. Situations where id find intel able to carry a larger cpu load while fully powering a gpu.
@@anhiirr But imagine if both are on same cooling solution, I think amd would be cooler.
Me: Thinks about something
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HE IS YOUR BRAIN. HE IS SATAN. OR GOD. OR BOTH.
I wish it worked for me like this lol, still waiting for him to compare laptop and desktop 3000 series GPU-s, since he has access to desktop ones.
This was a failry interesting review, for once someone addressing power limits and efficency on battery. I'm gonna look forward to the gaming test, theoretically the pci gen 4 should boost the intel performance a little but we should see how it fares with a 3060
PCIE gen 4 will NEVER make any difference in gpu performance. The bandwidth limit is never hit of PCIE gen 3 even with 3080. The pcie gen 4 is just marketing this generation. Maybe rtx 4000 and radeon 7000 might be able to take advantage of pcie gen 4.
Yes, he made a video comparing a 10th gen laptop vs a Zen 3 laptop and we saw that 16x PCIe 3.0 on the Intel system vs 8x PCIe 3.0 on the AMD system made a difference. The 16x PCIe 4.0 lanes of the Tiger Lake based laptop will probably increase that gap even further.
@@Patrick73787 i thought pcie interface for graphics cards in laptops is always limited to 8x... I
@@Patrick73787 Actually it’s the L3 cache that makes the difference.
@@Patrick73787 the difference you saw is because of different cpu architectures. GN and Linus did a video comparing x8 vs x16 PCIe 3 and PCIe 3 vs 4 respectively, which show that, in GPU bound games it makes no difference between x8 gen 3 vs x16 gen 4. Games that need faster lane are Esport titles, which go north of 400 FPS playing at 1080p or lower. PCIe 4 on laptop barely brings anything to the table, unless you are pro players, which somehow have to use gaming laptop.
Yay right timing mate I was looking for a video like this
Hope it helps!
The thing I really like about AMD cpus is the much higher base clock.. so you can disable turbo boost and basically have a workable cpu frequency to play games and do most work tasks, whilst keeping heat and noise way down.
With intel you either have to have an unlocked processor to do it in XTU or hope that throttlestop will work with a locked cpu like the 11800H, which is also up to the laptop manufacturer. for example, apple completely locks their 9980HK in windows bootcamp and you absolutely can't adjust anything with the multipliers.
All that said, I found with my 10980HK I could disable turbo and still play almost any game over 60 at ultra, so the 11th gen at 2.5 should be better cause it's a much faster cpu clock for clock anyway.. Although I am hoping with my coming 11900h asus that I can use throttlestop to land all cores at around 3.5ghz permanently with high performance enabled, which will suit all my tasks and be quiet and low temps.
Intel for me for sure, since I usually have a laptop plugged in at a desk anyway.
And for the people who say "why not use a desktop:"
In case you haven't noticed, desktop parts are absurdly overpriced still. For the price of a desktop 3060 ALONE, I can get an entire functioning system with a display included that has the mobile 3060 in it (and I know they're different, but you get the point.)
Laptops are literally cheaper per measure of performance than desktops are this past year, and probably for the time being. It's a weird place to be.
Now that you mentioned it, I think you're right.
The AMD processor is clearly better. But Intel finally woke up and started competing with a good processor this year. Competition is good for the customers.
With these test results... Was there even a competition ? For normal use and gaming I hardly think power exceeds 65W
I never thought I’d pick a slower processor because of power efficiency. It’ll be loud to run the Intel processor at full speed all the time.
Great job on testing the memories, barely anyone ever does that, really brings it down to the cpu only
I just bought the Legion 5i Pro with i7 11800H ( upgrading from a i3 5th Gen). I’m in the moon . Absolutely brilliant processor and laptop. Extremely happy
Just bought the same variant. I just couldn't bring myself to buy the AMD one.
Could you say sommething about the temperatures in office/surfing mode and gaming? I cannot decide whether to buy i7 11800H or Ryzen 7 5800H.
@@Hanntz89 not sure of the Ryzen, i have not faced a heating issue till date with i711800H
@@Hanntz89 i recently got mine and the 11800H really has no drawbacks in the 5i. Coolong is good. Never seen temps above 80 even after hours of gaming.
Seems 45watt is adequate for AMD which is important when it comes to laptop
how in non shared workloads intel and amd 5900hx are still capable of performing beyond 45w. Even simulated benchmarks where various portions are cpu and gpu only as well as combined which is really more or less a test/benchmark of the cooling system and if it has liquid metal....then you add intel chips like their ultrabook line which is made to excel at low wattages and still have high IPC and singlecore and multi core scores at low wattages.
Nice, so it's clear 5800H is better as mobility (read: battery life, efficiency, thermals) matters more than maximum performance for me. Not to mention it's still win under many practical situations.
for working un-plugged it does help especially ones that route HDMI to i-gpu for "pesentation mode" when not plugged. Like the zeph g15....when you run 60% max charge....still having 4-5hrs of life is pretty insane NGL
Talking about ryzen processors, I would like to know the lifetime of ryzen processors, plus in my region I find 11th gen intel laptops for less price than the 5800H laptops, if we look, the single core of the 11th gen intel i7 is magnificent, but in rendering or stuff like that, the 5800H is “slightly”, better, so if you want to do gaming or stuff, go for intel but if you want for like editing, rendering, modelling in blender etc. go for Ryzen, otherwise both processors are great.
@@anhiirr yea, I think The 5800H has better battery life, but if you put your laptop on battery saving mode, it will give you “at least” a 4 hour of backup while doing normal work (not including gaming)
Too bad mobile ryzens can't be overclocked.
@@smallcatgirl HX series can
Cant wait for the gaming comparison!!✅✅
Did you include Warzone Jarrod? 😅😬😇
I did not 😥 2x resolutions all setting presets on two machines meant I had to limit what was tested.
@@JarrodsTech Hey, we still love you. It's hard work, and you work like a animal ❤
I would say both are amazing and getting one of them in hand is lucky enough. Though if I am forced to choose, I would choose AMD because I like having more Battery Life, and not all laptop will be capable of drawing 80W or 125W in CPU.
But both are amazing!
@Meta Data But during gaming one can notice CPU never hits 65 watts rit? power is shared to the GPU too
@Meta Data I would like to see any review where PCI gen makes any difference. Based on every review I've seen, Intel has improved game performance due to the single-threaded performance.
@Meta Data I haven't read anything, I've seen virtually every credible review on the tube and NONE of them have identified PCI 4 making any difference. I'm not discounting or referring to anything else you wrote.
@@darrell9616 You would be correct. PCIe Gen 4 has done nothing to increase performance and if there is some gain, it's margin of error stuff. People have just been incorrectly assuming that the new gen PCIe means it'll increase performance when benchmarks show that isn't the case. What gives Intel the edge is higher single core performance and more L3 cache.
@@SF-li9kh I can attest to this. In most games, you won't see the CPU go past 35W-45W. However, there are some cases (like Warzone) where you may see the CPU go higher than that to like 50W-60W but I only see those during load times honestly. Unless you're benchmarking or rendering something that is insanely CPU bound, no laptop CPU is going to consume 80W or 125W. Power needs to be given to the GPU as well. Intel is still a bit ahead in gaming performance though due to higher single core speeds and more L3 cache.
FInally good to see Intel making good competition, When Will Nitro 5 review come?
Probably a couple of weeks, bit longer than usual because I have two - one Intel and one AMD.
@@JarrodsTech Ok great to know since I did not face many of the issues you mentioned previously on a 5800H/3060 one since it came with good dual channe ram and a 144hz screen with 99%srgb
@@JarrodsTech I'm looking forward to your take on those - I just got an Intel one in & I've got some interestingly mixed feelings happening so far!
@@NuclearNotebook How is it going for you mines doing pretty fine. A 12900 on CR23 , and pretty good fps on basically any game. I have a 144hz FHD 3ms screen so no delay and stuff. Only thing bummed is no mux and the fact that the gpu can run much higher since the temps rarely even pass 70 while playing control on auto fan
Ahh nice i'll buy acer nitro 5 too, but i'm still confused about ryzen 7 and i7 11th gen.. I'm gonna learn to use video editing apps like After effects, Premiere, etc. Which one is the best for it? Intel or Ryzen?
Almost double the wattage to get a small increase in performance... I wonder how both performs after 3 hours of heavy gaming or heavy workload with cpu intensive software. Let the throttling kick it!
I am looking for that
It won't throttle if the power limits are high enough or the die size is large enough to allow for good thermal contact.
@@Supcharged it's a laptop, thermals will always be a problem given enough time to warm up and more watts = more energy, that = more heat.
@@DiogoFilipeR power consumption is only one part of thermals though. If the die size is larger, there will be better thermal contact and therefore easier to cool. That’s why the 5800x is so much harder to cool than 5900x despite same power draw.
Intel is cooler at the same wattage though, which allows it to go higher. So only really relevant on battery power.
Thanks for all your work, I was looking for a mid range laptop for work and general stuff as well as gaming and your vids have been so helpful, thanks Jarrod.
It's a laptop, so I pick the most efficient ... talking of higher power limit kinda defeat the fact of buying a laptop in my view
But at the higher power limit you get extra value. It doubles as a leaf blower.
Then you should be looking at a 10w ultrabook not a big gaming laptop.
@@Supcharged He said most efficient, not low powered -_-
@@why_tho_ and silicon is more efficient at lower clocks and lower power. At 15w the 5800u is far more efficient than 45w 5800H. 5800H is not even close to 3 times as fast as 5800u.
these are gaming laptop CPU-s, they will almost always be installed in laptops with high power limits.
In this kind of comparison can you also show us results for some selected benchmarks for 20-25W power limit?
This will show the performance that is expected in quiet mode.
That would be very useful.
I would appreciate this as I often have BOINC running in power saver mode when I'm not using my computer.
Thanks jarrod dor this much needed and detailed review!!
I got a lenovo ideapad with ryzen7 5800h and a 3060 gtx , 16/512 for 875 usd (15/5/2023 just for future reference)
@@Amirmteiryou face any problem with laptop?
i want to buy legion 5 with rayzen 7 5800H and rtx 3070
what is your opinion?
@@mhmdn8405 you gonna love it xD , usually legion has even better cooling than their ideapad counterpart
Of course AMD. Lower price, same performance, lower power draw and thermals.
Same performance?
@@directlinkrexx4409 yes , they’re identical.
I have a question, I have a Ryzen 7 5800x and the temperature runs in the 60s Celsius when playing games, is that normal temp for the Ryzen 7 5800x?
I also have an RTX 3070 ti
@@eliasziad7864 that is nothing to worry about
What about Ram compatibility and performance in conjunction with certain motherboards!?
I WOULD WANT TO SAY THAT YOU ARE THE BEST! Detailed and easy to understand. Just watched 2 videos of yours, applied and yes it is very effective.
Thanks!
Hopefully you will still do a head to head of Legion 7 vs 7i with ryzen 9 vs i9 and both with 3080 and good ram
Exactly what I want to see. I own a maxed Legion 7 with Ryzen. I expect to be beaten, but by how much? I don't regret my choice anyway. Every review of a 11th gen Intel so far has some odd flaw, either by design or child diseases.
Should I go for the legion 5 or legion 5i??
I’m so confused 😕
@@julianag8936 the one available with the better gpu.
I would say the Intel Core CPUs, especially the I9 is worth it when you have around a 80-100 Watt headroom for the CPU. As soon as you are talking about thinner and lighter machines such as the XPS 15 I would prefer the Ryzen CPUs in order to have maximum CPU power while minimizing the heat.
What about gaming? Will it hit 80W? I don't think so. Maybe maximum 60W , not higher than that because the graphics card will also need power rit?
@@SF-li9kh that is true, on the other hand the cpu will not be utilized 100 percent for gaming anyways so the Intel cpus will probably still be able to hit their maximum clockspeeds when gaming.
@Meta Data Does single thread speed even matter anymore with modern games like RDR2 ? MetroExodus? Assassin's Creed Valhalla? Modern games will be multithreaded I'm assuming.
So looking so forward to his gaming comparison.
@@Avarent01 Nvidias dynamic boost 2.0 actually lowers the CPU wattage to 35 in a lot of games so clockspeeds dip. My 11400H sits at 3-3.4GHz at 30W due to Dynamic boost lowering it in-game. A mates 5600H doesn't go below max boost despite this because of the more efficient design. For gaming you really shouls get Ryzen and enable dynamic boost for a GPU power increase.
Great comparison as always. I'm going to decide whether an "all AMD" laptop is going to be my pick once the new AMD laptop GPUs are out. I'm particularly interested in a comparison of the entry models - RTX 3060 vs AMD 6600m. Any idea when laptops with AMD GPUs might become available?
I really appreciate that you make your videos dense and get to the point
I ordered a legion 5 pro with a 5800h because it seemed like it was priced well, it doesn't appear to be available anymore. I'm looking at the Legion 5i pro, offering the same base specs, just with the 11800h and I sh*t you not it runs about 500€ more expensive. I completely kitted up the legion 5 pro I ordered, more ram, more storage, windows 10 pro, 3070 instead of a 3060 and it was still cheaper than the base intel model is now.(this is directly through lenovo).
WHAT?!?!
Man, this is some serious level of work done on comparisons.... your video is definition of comparison with stats
For a laptop that is used plugged in mostly, Intel. For a laptop that is used on battery mostly, AMD.
Clearly 10nm Superfin is a massive improvement from 14nm.
But can a CPU actually draw 65W when gaming ?
@@SF-li9kh it can, if it's a cpu heavy game like csgo
Holy shit jarrod you have 363K subs, last time I checked it was 46k. Damn man we called it right ( you will become big)
Next stop 1m!
Thank you for this detailed comparison ! Very useful 👍
In my country, Ryzen processors are cheaper than Intel processors, that too by a significant amount, so ig, Ryzen should be the go to for budget laptops
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks loads for the great job done on the comparison!
Jarod, can you do a noise to performance comparison test in the future. Sometimes having a silent but powerful laptop makes sense such as in a library or classroom or even video conferencing.
nice to finally see a "power from the wall" in a laptop reviews. people keeps ignoring this part.
maybe an idle/browsing power consumption will have been even better (on both power limits but i guess it will be the same)
I'm looking at two laptops who only differ in the processor (11800H or 5800H) right now. I don't play video games anymore and only need the dGPU for 3D rendering, so I'm going with the 5800H. Less heat and more battery life, and more performance for productivity. I don't need Thunderbolt.
what you say is correct I have had intel and it does have good performance but they get so hot in turbo mode it is horrible unless you do an undervolt you will lose performance in fps games they go down a bit, now the amd issue gets less hot for that they do not use as much power something to keep in mind I prefer to have a processor that is cold in games than not to have thermal trolling like intel
Based on these sets of graphs; it shows that the Ryzen CPU cannot use so much power. I know you measured the same power but this is likely with the GPU and not just using the CPU. Since its pretty clear from the performance numbers that the 5800H is barely faster with 80W power limit vs 45W power limit. This is also what I experience on my Alienware M15 R5; the performance barely drops at all until you set the power limit under 30W. The chip only seems to use 32-36W while gaming so even setting a 40W power limit had a 0% difference on performance in gaming; however in benchmarks it does go down by a few % from 65W to 45W.... setting it to even 100W doesn't make a difference at all as the max power the chip seems to use is 72W and it doesn't seem to get any additional performance (under 1%) from this additional power.
Doesn't that also mean that the avg between high and low power is better on AMD overall? As far as the 80W performance is comparable, isn't it better to have the flexibility?
@@thaibreuer3533 Yes it is overall better, but in a laptop you want to have the most power available for your GPU and screen. This means more screen brightness on battery for a longer battery life (or just more battery life in general) or more power for other tasks involving iGPU and Storage even if those are small in comparison to a dGPU.
it seems like XMG has a lot of laptop with same cpu and gpu and with different cpu and gpu in the same time.
Wish they do sold in Malaysia market.
Should be the same with illegear over there
From 6 XMG spokesperson at LTT, I heard they have no plans of expansion beyond their small base. So yeah, never going to happen
XMG is only a assembler and configurator for chassis designers TongFang and Clevo. Eluktronics and PCSpecialist do the same, and there are more. Don't know about Malaysia though, but I guess there are similar brands. XMG are very good at pushing the latest fast. I have a good impression of them, but that goes for PCSpecialist too. Search and ye shall find. :)
You could’ve done the thermals and then given context for increase in cooling for liquid metal based on other computers where they’ve tested standard paste with liquid metal
HP Victus is a steal right now in India w/ 5800H + 3060.
Just wish there were more in-depth reviews like Jarrod's so we would know of any pitfalls of that laptop b4 pulling the trigger. It's crazy that similar config of Omen costs $350-400 more.
P. S.-I know Jarrod isn't getting this config rather one with the 1650 instead, dammit!
@Meta Data do u have any links/articles to back that claim??
Also only a handful of laptops at that 1 Lac price point perfom well enough considering majority of them are still Intel & have bad temps also due to much higher ambient temps than what most reviewers use (21-24°C)
From what I've read it's mostly using a similar cooling design to the Omen, so it shouldn't be too bad.
Can you tell me which hp victus model?
The 45 watt difference is explained through the base clock. 11800H has a base clock of 2.4GHz and the Ryzen has 3.2GHz.
11800H depends on Turbo Boost.
@@Tianzii2k4 That is way too low if you have a gaming laptop.
@@Tianzii2k4 Depends on the generation and laptop (power supply too).
@@Tianzii2k4 i7, but i would avoid the 3050.
@@Tianzii2k4 Because 4GB of VRAM is not enough for 1080p gaming.
@@Tianzii2k4That should be the minimum.
Hey Jarrod, are there any plans to cover HP Victus? I’m getting a 20% price difference in similar variants (Ryzen 7/ RT3060) so I wanted to know if Victus would be a better choice.
HP told me they won't be able to get one to me in Australia until the end of August. The one I would be getting is 5600H+1650
Hi Hritwik, I'm assuming you from India. Please go with AMD if there is such a high price difference. I personally am looking at the TUF A15. And the sellers are selling overpriced 5800H , as same as the intel price because the demand for 5800H is so high that they are pricing it same as intel !!
@@SF-li9kh Did you just assumed his country ?!?! Next what you assume his gender ???
@@SF-li9kh A15 is decent. My neighbour got it for 110k. Only thing I saw bad is display colors and temps. Temps are not that high hitting 90. With a cooling pad you might be good. But in tuf series you can't set manual fan curve. I got the Zephyrus G15 and I get 90°c in turbo mode but 80°c on manual. As for display it is 72% ntsc vs my 100% P3 color but if you don't have anything to compare you will feel its alright. I did pay 140k for G15 so comparing display is not fair.
@@SF-li9kh just keep in mind that on paper specs and benchmarks is not the only thing we should be looking at considering the market here in India. The screens, battery life, noise and how the laptop performs day to day should also be put into consideration. That is the reason why I preordered a legion 5 pro instead of all the equivalent laptops, the plus point being it is the best RTX3060 laptop you can get to date.
I used to consider myself buying a 5800H laptop but after watching your video now I'm considering myself buying a 11800H laptop .
But I will be waiting for the gaming benchmarks . 😋
Channel already subscribed . 🙃
Amazing work as always keep it up!!
Nice video and great information. When it comes to these videos of comparison I would of liked to see a close up of the keyboard with its rgb and the actual model numbers or model names for each laptop so we could know exactly what model they are.
AMD is now better for laptop efficiency and battery life wise. Still, I'd want to get a 10nm superfin desktop CPU when they come out. They are incredible overclockers.
Isn't it a bit interesting that Intel chose to apply their 10 nm tech to laptop CPUs and not desktop CPUs at this point? Up until 1-2 months ago, everybody wanted a Ryzen-based laptop.
@@henrikg1388 everybody still want ryzen laptop afaik. Intel processors (even 10nm ones) can suck in terms of performance on battery, especially if it's not the top of the stack best silicon quality sku.
At first 10nm was very bad. Low yield, poor frequency scaling with voltage meant that they would make worse than 14nm desktop CPUs. With superfin they changed the structure of the finfet so that it scales great with high power. It made perfect sense to release desktop later.
Awesome video. Your comparisons are the best. Looking forward for the rest.\m/
Thank you for all the hardwork you put in the videos. Got myself a legion 5 pro yesterday on pre-order. Really excited. Maybe I'll upgrade the ram too :)
Hey I'm planning on buying the legion 5 with 5800h + rtx 3050ti,is the legion lineup good for both gaming and musltitasking?
@@samuelraj6992 yep, get it without second thoughts. It's amazing
Already ordered bro,thanks😍
@@v3dantsharma i should buy legion 5pro intel or ryzen?
I did not like the fact that you used a bit of dark design to show AMD in the bottom throughout the benchmarks and then put them on top for the Battery results. Muscle memory from the previous graphs leads people to believe that the Intel gave better battery as it was on the top bar for all tests except battery.
Otherwise great video
Definitely AMD for the win. Thanks Jarrod!
I like this comparison. it give us what we needed most than what reviewer tell us in his point of view. Really give me what i wanted to decide
I’ll pick Ryzen coz of Better battery life.
Yeah, laptop is not all about performance
While your assertion is surely undertstandable, for a GAMING laptop you aren't expected to play with either of those on battery (those Tongfang cripples so much their GPU cTGP and CPU PL that anything becomes unplayeable and however locked at 30fps by design). So, if I were to choose a laptop for GAMING, my preferences would look at the best condition where they actually can be used for playing well, that is when plugged in, and consuming the power they need.
@@TheMacco26 unless Tiger Lake wildly beats Cezanne by at least 10% in gaming with that small price difference (we know it's faster, it's a matter of how much), obsessing over gaming performance doesn't mean much. You want gaming performance, buy a desktop (market issues be damned).
Elsewise, Cezanne requires less power to the same amount of work as Tiger Lake away from the wall, not only allowing better battery life but also slower battery degradation. You can walk around more while a laptop is in standby, watch more of Jarrod's videos without fumbling with the charger in bed, withstand more power cuts. Tiger Lake H-45 is great for TB4, likely better gaming and faster SSDs but battery life handicap has been substantial in reviewers' hands.
@@vncube1 I substantially agree with you but for the Desktop part sugestion. For the 10% delta, we'll wait and see the next video about that by Jarrod I guess. Surely at native 1440p those 2 laptops will deliver pretty much the same FPS, I suspect though.
@@TheMacco26 I concur. When the resolution goes up, more power will be needed by the GPU, and any 80W+ CPU power is out of the question.
Another awesome video Jarrod !! Willing to see the results from your gaming benchmarks !! Cheers from Brazil !
Thanks!
Can we expect HP Victus review?
HP told me they won't be able to get one to me in Australia until the end of August.
Do a video about
Cheapest egpu setup for 1080p
high setting gaming under 600$-700$ setup( total cost Including GPU)
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AMD are really doing a great job with those cheap power plants and the battery life. For me, the perfect laptop is (I really hope there will be one of those one day) Legion 7 Advantage Edition (Ryzen 9 5900HX + RX6800m)!!!
I guess this is the closest review we are gonna get for the Lenovo 5i 6th Gen 11800H / 3060 Model (17’)
I really would love for him to review that laptop but I do understand it’s whatever he can get for review. Because of your laptop reviews I got a 11800H Legion and very excited to try Thunderbolt 4 (my main rig is AMD) I’m really excited to try some egpu setups ram upgrade and using a 2nd Monitor.
Does undervolting make a difference in battery life?
It may help a little.
sure
It took my 8265u from 6 ish hours to 7 so yeah
On my legion y540 i got from 3 h of web browsing to 3 h and 12-15 min,but keep in mind that it stays quiter for longer period of time,so i'm happy
@@mariusduna1753 i have an Asus TUF dash F15 and it gave me 8-12 hr of web browsing
I picked up a Asus Tuf A15 with a 5800h 3060 & 16g of ram, then added a 1TB nvme drive. Ima happy camper now. Just went this way over building a desktop this year
Intel is that kind of company that makes a lower tier chip (i7) be better than the higher tier chips (i9), because that makes perfect sense, right?
They just named 11350H an i7 ... So .... Yeah 😂
Great comparison! Thanks for the hard work.
Yes! The Ryzen 7 on my Alienware M15 R5 is amazing. I was shocked at how well it performed compared to the i7 11800H.
I have the 11800H + 3070 (140watt) version from Tongfang - loving my laptop! use to have the Tongfang 5800H version with 3070, but swapped it for the 11800H because of the PCIe 4.0 x16 for the dGPU and liquid metal option. mine comes with a 230watt power brick which worries me a bit lol. Love your channel Jarrod!!!
@Meta Data Tongfang is the manufacturer of the barebone that XMG or Eluktronics use, so they should be 99% the same (difference comes from softwares and some software optimizations)
How are the thermals with your config? I really value thermals and only intel config is offered with liquid metal. Jarrod misses big time here by just skipping thermals. I just want to know the thermal numbers of the intel config with liquid metal. I know its not fair to compare, but just give us the thermal numbers for info. I cant find any info about the thermal performance of the intel config with liquid metal so if you can let me know, it'll be very helpful!
I'll be picking Intel. Thunderbolt wins it for me!
And the PCIe 4th gen... another great advantage for Intel...
Yeah this is why i still choose intel laptop for school, light and thunderbolt
Same here guys! It’s obvious that AMD is the way to go but, no Thunderbolt it sucks
Not only Thunderbolt 4 but also PCIe 4.0 and Wi-Fi 6. There's no way I'm buying a laptop that lacks those features in 2021.
Forgive me. I'm not so well versed in this. But what advantage does Thunderbolt give ? I'm assuming eGPU, but doesn't it connect to the intel iGPU ? So will eGPU work ?
AMD -----
Battery,
More performance at lower watts,
Lower thermals ( not sure ),
Low cost
Intel -----
More performance at higher watts
Pcie gen4
Thunderbolt 4
(future proofing)
Which would you select for content creation and normal gaming ?
(Anything else to add?)
AMD RYZEN IS MEANT FOR CONTENT CREATION, LIKE ARE YOU KIDDING ME? but for gaming, Intel is better.
so the intel one has liquid metal :) temps are everything, i prefer having a less powerful CPU that can run for hours without thermal throttling than a more powerful one, that would eventually with time overheat, hard choice, AMD seem to be the safest choice, it depends on how the graphics card in it is powered does it the full wattage it needs for example with the 3070(there is 4 versions 80 - 100 - 120 and 140W), and can you on the AMD one, run both of them at the same at full load, 45W for the CPU and 140 W for the RTX 3070 those are the important questions to have ...
I ordered the i7-11800H/ rtx 3070 version earlier. It has 32gb ram and 1tb. I can't wait to get it Monday.
Worth the wait
Bruh
Thanks Jarrod I bought Lenovo Legion 7.
Thank you for the videos, man.
Hope it's going well!
i still pick ryzen bcs i always on the go and i need better battery life.
Yeah fair enough!
we r team red
That's the main reason I chose Ryzen as well. It has more than enough power for me and it get the benefit of battery life and battery performance for my portability needs. Although for the desktop replacement people, Intel is definitely going to be the better choice.
@@ngeorge9673 yeah for people whose first priority is performance and portability second, then Intel is a great choice. Overall I think Ryzen is better, but at least now Intel's offerings are very competitive and it's not an outright win for team red (aside from niche features like Thunderbolt or PCIe gen 4).
This is exactly the video I needed to watch. Thank you!
How come going from 45w to 80w on the ryzen doesnt increase the performance that much?
Different processors just work differently, my guess is the Ryzen architecture is just power efficient (hence better battery life) and the design means it doesn't benefit too much more from more power.
intel hits higher clocks
this is why ryzen seems to be better for laptops. nobody wants >60w on a laptop except you're craving barbeque
Ryzen is running at a high base clock thus performs better at low power. The higher base clocks don't have a negative effect due to smaller nanometres.
If intel moved to 7nm they could also have used a higher base clock
@@SF-li9kh well their 10nm is the same density as tsmc 7nm
Hello, you do really great job. I want to buy a new laptop mostly for gaming and I can’t decide between these two:
Lenovo Legion 5 17, AMD 7 5800H, 16GB RAM, rtx 3070 1TB ssd
HP OMEN 17, i7 11800H, 16GB RAM, rtx 3070, 512 GB ssd
Thank you very much.
I would appreciate also opinion from other users.
Hey did you test the new hp victus model yet? The one with the 5800h and rtx 3060...
HP can't send me one until the end of August.
@@JarrodsTech oh that's sad :( was looking forward to buying one if reviews were good enough
so far the best channel of laptop in YT.
Hmm It's a good topic to think about, 11800H or 5800H although Both are good !!👍 But......
5800H is Budget Friendly ❤️
I think the diffence isn't enough to give up PCIE 4 and Thunderbolt 4 even though I like the AMD results better for my use cases. Can't wait for Alder Lake.
I remember just recently Intel stated something along the lines of laptops should be benched on batteries as it was a true test of a laptop function, of course at the time intel had better battery life and did much more comparable to AMD then.
So judging by this
AMD is clearly the winner by a large margin
you should measure the heat anyway despite liquid metal. You should have shown it and said this is what you're buying
Thank you Jarrod, I nearly fell into Intel CPU trap when I want to buy a new gaming laptop.
Now I decided to buy AMD laptop.
Lmao "trap"
Oh lord
don't buy intel they heat up to disgustingly high temperatures
Hello,
I have 2 options to buy:
1)Lenovo legion 5 pro 5800h 3060
2) Lenovo legion 5 pro 11800H 3050
My feelings are that the option of 11800H 3050 might be a bit limited due to the video card 4GB, I think instead the more logic option will be to buy a bit downgrade processor AMD 5800h and take more advanced video card ... 3060 - Am I right?
Yeah cuz the difference between 3060 6gb and 3050ti 4gb is much more than 5800h and 11800h
Who keeps sending him these laptops?
Holy hell🤣.
BTW great job on balancing the laptops to see difference between cpus. Take Love ♥️
The numbers will be far more interesting once the hardware has to balance power across the CPU and GPU, while at the same time trying to dissipate the resulting heat.
Precisely. Which is why looking forward to the gaming review. Intel can't keep up the CPU, but PCIe4 may compensate. Everything to be seen
@@SF-li9kh That is where overall system performance starts to show. A 16 lane PCIe4 interface may be far faster than an 8 lane PCIe3 interface, but it also has a higher power draw. When just testing how much data can be sent across the link you will most likely see much higher performance, but maybe not when the power to drive that performance results in other parts of the system being limited.
AMD
been looking everywhere for the power scaling slide between the 2 and also can see how it stack up with the M1 love the video
I only wait for jarod's review since he cover every little detail in laptop reviews .. love his reviews.. waiting for hp victus review since I am confused between the 120hz ideapad gaming or 60hz hp victus (both have ryzen 5 and 1650)
Cant wait for amd ryzen 9 6969HX cpu!
Sorry if this is a silly question. I am looking at the legion 7 (intel and AMD). I see the intel says “45 Watts of dedicated processing power.” Does that mean I should only be looking at the 45w power limit results in this video and the 80w power limit results are irrelevant when deciding between the legion 7 intel and amd variants?
Bump
Someone must know 😃
Depending on your own choice.
@@claritoresdiano1021 what do you mean? With the legion 7 if you do AMD or Intel, as it says “45 watts dedicated to cpu” does that mean we should ignore the 80w test results if going with legion 7 is what we are trying to understand.
Not exactly clear what that means, it might refer to the CPU power limit when the GPU is also active, like in a game, but that's often not actually listed on the specs, so maybe they are just copy pasting Intel's base spec or something. I would be astonished if the CPU did not boost higher than that in a CPU only workload. For gaming, as you'll see in the video this Friday, Intel is ahead even when both processors are at 45w
Great comparison Video, appreciated thanks.
No problem!
Request you to please review hp victus asap 🙏
HP told me they won't be able to get one to me in Australia until the end of August.
@@JarrodsTech that will be dope 🔥. Waiting 💯
Looking forward to the gaming comparison
45w tdp
intel base : 2.4 Ghz (ULV level ☺️)
amd base : 3.4 Ghz
thats why amd won 45w power limit 😎
7n vs 10n
Exactly. It's quite simple. And Intel didn't run at 3+Ghz because 10nm will get hotter
Yeah I probably should have mentioned the base clock better, that's correct, AMD has higher base clock even with lower 45 watt power limit.
@@JarrodsTech thx for replied. You such a good guy. in Indonesia, tech reviewer never show detailed comparisson between product. they just show the goodness because they sponsored by the brand. keep your hard work matte 👍
I have been waiting for this video, awesome content @Jarrod'sTech.
Thanks!
waiting for 6600m
same