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The main competitor of the 11800H is the 5900HX. Why not test that? You also didn't look at this year's MAX-15, which has an improved architecture, etc. So why not get the MAX-15 11800H and the 5900HX with a 3070 or 3080? The only thing different between the intel and AMD models are the processor.
@@SF-li9kh My i7-4700MQ quad core beast from 2013 is like 10% faster than i7-2600K at stock. CPU-Z, Geekbench 5, Passmark singlethread scores, all of these i get equivalent perfomance or snappy feeling like a desktop Ryzen 7 1700. in emulation, my i7-4700MQ is *TWICE* as fast vs Ryzen 5 3500U from 2019, can compete with the equivalent H quad core part from AMD because Haswell is an old BEAST.
My current laptop has i7-4510u, 2C/4T 22nm CPU with 28nm GTX 850m lol and that laptop spits straight fire. I'm planning to upgrade soon, and I might actually buy a 11800H laptop. 1. PCIe 4.0 SSD for futureproofing 2. Undervolting for better battery life and to prolong the already impressive lifespan of the CPU It's worse in certain tasks than 5800H, but most of the time we won't notice the difference, let's face it. Granted, my laptop won't be used primarily for gaming, so I might be fine with a 3050 as the GPU, though 3000 series is the minimum because of the 8nm architecture.
@@OrRaino the same happen when intel release core 2 duo...damn, couldn’t forget amd also f4ck up the whole markets. Lessons learned, never trust corporations... they are all into profit. Just look at how amd pricing their 5000. Really need a third brand to come out and knock them both on the ground
@@NamelessPassenger That’s not going to happen anytime soon. Also the pricing on the 5000 is fair considering your getting the best performance. If you want the best then you pay for it.
@@apricotmadness4850 Lmao, you're probably the type of guy who will die first in a zombie apocalypse. You must always be suspicious whenever companies try to do this bullshit, even if it's just a little amount. Neither Intel nor AMD can be trusted. I will personally trust AMD more because of Intel's bullshit, but this can change any time. With that being said, we need both of them. We don't want any one to fail.
@@apricotmadness4850not really, if you don’t care about architecture, or mid range motherboard that support OC...then 11th intel still offer better performance for better price (except i9 11900k)...11600kf vs 11700kf slightly ahead of 5600x vs 5800x. But again, for people who build amd before, there’s no point to buying a new motherboard to go for intel. And 11th h45 mobile destroy 5000H if budget isn’t your concern. After all, 11th h45 launch was the most success mobile launch in decade
@@videosuu300 and they were substantially behind in every other department until TGL. No integrated TB, poor power efficiency, weaker productivity performance, poor iGPU performance for non-gaming laptops.
In my country AMD is facing chip shortages. You know what the sellers are doing? They got greedy and jacked up the price of AMD card laptops to the same price of intel laptops !!! This greed is hurting AMD indirectly as they selling price of 5800H is very less. Due to the absence of price gap, many are picking intel. Which indirectly affects the right thing to do. Any other country facing this ?
I’ve seen a few of models here in Australia, where AMD is around 10-15% cheaper to the Intel equivalent model, but here if the Intel model isn’t much of a difference then the Intel for gaming is a better choice 🥰👍🎉🥳 as as you mentioned, it’s good to see competition between manufacturers, each pushing the other to higher performance etc. Win win win 🏆 for consumers 🥰👍
Intel 's catching up ... one of the best moments for fans: can choose which one they Like, the performance and price(now) wont bring them any noticeable disadvantage. Comprehensive and very good video. Thx for it.
@@thecoolerplayer6813 There is one more disadvantage, the fans are about 30% louder. 52db vs 66 db, and also as you undervolt and overlock you will have better thermals vs the intel because they cant get rid of the extra heat anymore as the fans dont have any headroom. On my legion 5 pro I have never even hit 100% fans and run cool as a lukewarm cucumber.
@@HumbleHuman-k7g Competition my friend. Intel hasn't been sitting still and neither will AMD. Whether it's AMD/Radeon, Intel, or Nvidia; the competition is about to get fierce.
@@HumbleHuman-k7g intel didn’t pay him. The fact is that if a laptop really has great ability of heat loss such as Lenovo legion 5 pro, then intel will always have better performance than AMD as its single core is actually more powerful, yet in case of other laptops which don’t have great heat loss then AMD will perform better.
@@HumbleHuman-k7g I've never taken any money from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia, and have actively turned down all offers in order to remain unbiased. Just because something wins doesn't mean I'm paid lol. If AMD won would you be asking the same thing?
@@HumbleHuman-k7g dude that’s rude. I think that jarrods is one of the most neutral gaming laptops reviewers so O don’t think That he took money from intel.
This video really came in handy when trying to decide between an Intel based 3050 ti laptop and an AMD based one. Both came with these CPUs and the same ram and SSD configuration. Thanks to these benchmarks and the fact that I knew I'd be gaming at lower settings, saving the $100 and going Intel became a no-brainer
I want to know how do you make the background of your graph transperant. I recently did so, for my latest video(MSI Gf65 gaming review), but not as elegant. :(
Seeing how Ryzen 7 5700G performs below expectation in gaming, it's not surprising anymore to see Ryzen 7 5800H performs below Core i7-11800H. Zen 3 is only better than Rocket Lake or Comet Lake if it packs 32 MB of L3 Cache. With half L3 cache, it's not going to beat Tiger Lake. But objectively speaking, the efficiency of Zen 3 is clearly ahead of Tiger Lake.
Thank you for your hard work. Comparison with frames are well done, but in the future I would love to see temperatures recorded between the two and compared. I believe temperature while gaming is a pretty important aspect when looking at CPUs.
In my country AMD is facing chip shortages. You know what the sellers are doing? They got greedy and jacked up the price of AMD card laptops to the same price of intel laptops !!! This greed is hurting AMD indirectly as they selling price of 5800H is very less. Due to the absence of price gap, many are picking intel. Which indirectly affects the right thing to do. Any other country facing this ?
Huum I liked that Light Blue bars in the comparison, hehe colorful and well made, thanks Jarrod looking forward to seeing what this year's Legion 5i / 7i will be like.
Thanks for this excellent apples-to-apples comparison, Jarrod! One thing I really would have liked to know is how much louder the Intel system was running the same games as the AMD system. I'll trade a few percentage points in FPS for noticeably quieter performance every time.
That 1% low in 11800H are impressive, there are some games in 1440p that AMD is also not that bad, but for pure gaming usage, I'll go with 11800H all day
Jarrod is by far my favorite reviewer when it comes to tech. You are outstanding with your concise, unbiased and informative reviews. I watch tons of reviews by people like Linus Tech, Matthew Moniz and Digital Digest, but Jarrod is by far the best. No nonsense, gives you all of the specs and comparison data you could want (as opposed to opinion) and tells it to you straight. Kudos my friend. 👍
@@nellatl nah, PCIe 4 for the average user/gamer doesn't make a significant difference and thunderbolt is only useful if you plan to hook up a eGPU (which deficits the purpose of spending $$$ on a top line dGPU like 3070 anyways) or if you're transferring a ton of very large data on a regular basis (i.e. Professional content creator/ video editor). But you conveniently forgot to mention AMD being better at multicore processing and much more power efficient.
@@Royan1900 you said the average user. Faster speed and productivity is definitely better for the average user. Intel wins today HOWEVER, amd will likely blow Intel away on the next update. Amd just mentioned they are planning on being better than apple's m1 on the next update.
Good on Intel for actually putting their money where their mouth is. Good to have some competition again. :D Interesting to see the lack of cache hurting Zen 3 so much here...
@@SF-li9kh They use 32mb L3 cache per chiplet on desktop, mobile is only 16mb L3 cache. AMD kind of screwed themselves with 8 PCIE 3.0 lanes as well. Which is weird because AMD were the first ones to bring PCIE 4.0 to desktop.
intel didn’t pay him. The fact is that if a laptop really has great ability of heat loss such as Lenovo legion 5 pro, then intel will always have better performance than AMD as its single core is actually more powerful, yet in case of other laptops which don’t have great heat loss then AMD will perform better.
@@imglidinhere It is pretty relevant if someone saw your comment and then assumed that low m3 cache applied to desktop zen 3 as well. You never specified. Comment sections aren't a vacuum.
Thanks for making clear, concise and compelling comparisons and reviews. I suspect that I have gotten all the info I "need" (for now) from your videos to date ... but I have just subscribed because I think your videos are down-to-earth, informative, and ... well, I'm probably going to need this kind of content in the future ... so may my future "clicks" just help in some small way to help you keep doing what you do so well. You are an asset to the general community, since (in general) we all need great informative content like what you produce. So, thanks, and keep it up! :)
Hey Jarrod, great vid; one thing I might have missed is thermals - does the 10nm or 7nm burn hottest and generate therefore more fan noise? or about the same? This is so important for plugged in gaming on a laptop. I use a kneeboard at times. Thanks
Excellent review. Keep in mind that Intel's 12th Gen Alder Lake processors could launch in October. There are rumours it will be 22% faster than the current 11th Intel generation
Nee Tech is always arriving. There is no end to tomorrow. I really doubt we will get 12th gen mobile chips in our laptops until 2022. Their rumoured chip is a desktop one that boosts to 5Ghz. Mobile one not even rumoured. Also to note Zen 4 is coming soon too. Then next year Zen 5 and 13th gen and so on.
Maybe more than 22% compared to Rocket Lake in singlethread. Golden Cove and Alder Lake will be the new Sandy Bridge and revolutionary for PC gaming laptops. What a monster the 12900K will be, the 11900K already can go beyond 700 points in singlethread perfomance in CPU-Z. One thread is basically 30 or 50% faster than the entirety of the fastest Core 2 Duo ever made...
@@SF-li9kh Zen 4 comes second half of 2022. Alder Lake P will probably launch at CES 2022. Even if AMD gets some Zen 3+ mobile chips out Intels 6+8 will most likely destroy it. So Intel has at least half a year of pretty strong leadership in high performance mobile market. 15W class with 2+8 vs 8 will be closer.
AMD also seemed to be heavily dependent on RAM speed. So that's another disadvantage. I mean it really fluctuates a lot when you change the RAM in some builds.
XMG is fine but I think most other brands will offer the intel variant costlier than amd one. so maybe 5800H will provide better cost to performance ratio.
In my area (Brazil) the difference between the 2 in the Dell G15 is about 36 dollars. Sadly I was uninformed and went with Ryzen lol. At least I can appreciate the longer battery life.
Another key benchmark comparison, thanks Jarrod! Can you swap the x16 RAM with x8 RAM sticks (like you did on Legion 5 Pro and some other laptops you reviewed) to see if RAM performance affects one CPU more/less than the other one? It'd be a very interesting video. Thanks again!!
Well definitely waiting for that too, i'm curious how well the small core alder lake would perform in mobile segment, if the efficiency prowess rumor were true, we'll be seeing the efficiency battle in the mobile segment
Thanks Jarrod for the massive content! I was wandering if the ryzen would benefit more of the Nvidia dynamic boost due to its better power scaling What do you think?
Already got my omen with a 3060 and Ryzen 7 5800H and I'm happy with the performance. Im just gonna focus on a desktop build when things get better on the components pricing and availability.
Idk, i don't like laptops no more, i bought one and I have deep regret, i bought a Ryzen 9 5950x and a 3070 ti and now I'm laughing at 8/6/4 core Intel noobs
Hi Jarrod would you consider maybe adding Valorant to your test bench of games? I believe it is very much cpu limited like cs go but much newer so it may be an interesting one to see. Thanks for the awesome reviews!
Great job with this video, and good job Intel. However I am curious what the numbers would be if you removed all limitations. Intel's tend to run hotter, so I am curious if the thermal ceiling is better for AMD.
AMD is more efficient at lower tdp. By limiting both cpus you are essentially favouring AMD/efficiency. That must be noted. Also OEMS do take this into consideration (that’s partially why their cooling design is different).
@@Dizastermaster. how cpu and gpu behave on games is highly influenced by OEM design. Short story his statement is not true for every game and not for every brand. Motherboard design and BIOS tweaking greatly influences how much power a cpu/gpu can AND will request. I’m not saying his testing was wrong. But he is fundamentally comparing AMD at it’s best to Intel hindered. So it is worth mentioning. This is only accurate for those who plug and play. If you know your thing and you are into tweaking to get the most out of your hardware, Intel on a proper OEM is the way to go by a substantial margin
@@Dizastermaster. yet brands outperform each other just on the plug and play! From his position he should be educating people not settling cause the vast majority won’t care! I love Jarrod. I enjoy watching his content. This is just my opinion. I think more educated consumers leads to a better market overall.
That's why I've picked up Legion 7 5800h(struck a good deal on it), Legion 7i is not even listed yet on PSREF for my country so I don't expect it till end of the year(Legion 5 Pro is listed for 4 months already and is nowhere to be seen)
Kind of surprised how neck and neck everything was for the most part. But it's definitely a pleasant surprise! It's nice to see actual competition in the CPU space! And I think it's also clear that Intel finally moving to a 10nm process has been a major gain for them as they've finally been able to gap close Ryzen in other places. Though it's simple physics, 7nm is just going to be more efficient. But it does make me excited for 5nm and 3nm in the future which should be even more efficient while being a huge boost to performance.
Hey Bro! I need to run Civil CAD Applications and Some games with some photo and video editing for CAD applications. What should I go for i7 11800H Or R7 5800H? You are doing GREAT. KEEP DOING.
With the TDPs locked to 45W I wonder how they fare when they are not limited, considering the last comparison showed a significant increase in performance to the Intel chip. Looking forward to the 11400H Vs 5600H video, your work is immensely appreciated.
@@VedanthB9 you got wrong info. At the same wattage Intel shows lower temperatures. No idea but if you studied this topic since Ryzen 4000 series came out you'd know this
PLEASE, make a comparison between them using intensive rendering.. 4k videos (Premiere, After Effects, Davinci Resolve).. 3d rendering (Cinema 4D, 3D Max, Maya).. There's a lot of designers like me that buy gamer laptops just for working!!!! PLEASE 🥺
@@arkdesign9517 in this test sure, i had a 11800h and it was running hotter and throttling so ended up returning it and going with AMD no issues so far, I mainly game on it for hours so that’s my only real testing which IMO is more valid in terms of real world use
@@JarrodsTech does that mean the i9 for the GE76 isn't the best choice? I'm planning to get one but I am unsure about the i7 vs i9 dilemma, since in my country only the 1080p 300hz is available for the 11th gen GE76 (weird I know)
I scored a Zephyrus g15 with a 3070 and a R9 5900hs for 900$ this year. Upgraded the ram and tweaked a few settings in windows, and i absolutely love the performance. That little laptop of mine beat my old tower with a Ryzen 5 3600, 32GB ram, with a zotac 3060.
Imagine what amd would price their hardware if they didn't have intel to compete, or the situation with ryzen5000 wasn't proof enough for you they're just as greedy if not worse than intel? What amd did with 5k series was never done in the tech world, not even intel dared, yet every social media outlet kissing amd in their behind was still finding excuses for that pathetic price jacking.
Good afternoon, I have been looking for a gaming laptop for months at this point (I have watched almost of your review) and the Eluktronics Mech-15 G3 called my attention, with the same specs as the ones from this video, do you consider that buying that laptop is worth it?
@@saricubra2867 so mobile cpu running that hot won't brick laptops in the long run? My omen runs hot very easily and its quite scary to play more than an hour with those temps
I would pick the 5800h even if it is somewhat weaker in games mostly for the better battery life, better price to perf and temperatures (ie not requiring better cooling solution). EDIT: I will not be arguying with all of you in comments :)
Same. In my experience, web-browsing with a QHD/4K resolution screen Intel H45 consumes 20 watts vs 15 watts on AMD H35/45. That translates to 2-4 hours of better battery life on the same capacity. That is a BIG deal. And also both AMD CPU & GPU seems to perform better unplugged than Intel & Nvidia. This is also a BIG deal.
Would have loved to see a short glimpse of what the performance with the default config would have been. Because most users don't change power limits at all.
TLDW: both are within a percent or two of each other in most cases unless you play at low with a 3070. Basically, get whichever is cheaper for the corresponding performance tier
@Meta Data 1 hour with the poorly made XMG BIOS. With other models like the TuF A/F it goes from 7 hours on Intel to 10 hours on AMD. Also, neither has stutters really. I agree that the frame rate is higher in Tiger Lake but stutters is quite misleading. That's why I said it's based on price mostly. Lower noise and power Vs slightly more performance at a higher power target.
@@driveclub294 No - neither will stutter or be laggy. Both Intel Tiger Lake and AMD Zen 3 are excellent and that's why I say choose whichever is cheaper.
I guess 11300H isn't competitive enough to fight 5600H. 11400H will face 5600H equally especially there is little to no price difference between 11400H laptops and 5600H in my country
Hi there! Great video, helped me get a feel for both cores working power. Have you considered adding Total Warhammer to the games you benchmark on? I would consider it due to how many entities it needs to load in both modes of the game and whatnot. Cheers
It feels so strange to see Intel back on top in mobile just from going to 10nm. I still feel like AMD has a lot more to offer, but imagine Intel vs AMD with the same transistor size in the future. This might really mean that AMD is still behind Intel in IPC, but the efficiency of the silicon narrowed the gap until now.
Syzerix said it. The TSMC process node "size" is not comparable to Intel's old naming system. There are a lot of people who do not know this so Intel is changing the naming system in the future so Intel's old 10nm becomes 7I and that is roughly same as TSMC's 7N and Samsung's 7nm in silicon density.
@@PatGeek37 with the current chip shortage? nahhh I bet, it wouln't. Anyway, i've seen u spamming the same comments... a die-hard fan of a monopoly who controled cpu prices for decades lol
@@ryanjaredguicosioson2591 I don't think the chip shortage gonna do anything towards Intel by 2022 and they both basically monopolies given the chance since you full on have like two choices Amd or Intel If anything amd and Intel are helping each other from getting in trouble for being in a real monopoly You can see this with the 86x/64x licensing
That's the problem with AMD, they keep up with 2D applications quite all right but gaming is where the difference is simply too big. And I want a laptop that is good for both 2D and 3D applications at once. I mean for as expensive as a decent laptop is, that's the least they could provide. Right now 10-20fps (the gap is bigger usually, up to even 40-50fps) might seem like nothing when you get >60fps on both setups but what in 2-3 years? It's gonna be 30fps vs 50fps for latest games and that is a major difference and then to the point where you can't run latest games vs playable at 30-40fps. So you end up buying another laptop sooner, in the long run you're not saving shit. Either AMD finally fully catch up or people just keep going for Intel. No one cares about a few bucks difference when they buy a laptop for a few years that will simply last longer. Also no one cares about battery life to that extent, you can't get full performance without power supply, anyway. And extra 1 hour if you already get >5h is simply redundant. If someone needs that 1 extra hour, that means he needs other laptop type instead of a gaming laptop. AMD wins the battles that don't matter for end user. People want performance, not minor advantages paid in lower performance currency. I like that AMD is making Intel sweat and they have to push faster and further but let's not get excited, they are nowhere near winning, they are closing the gap. Which is being a loser, only slightly less. Also Intel for sure have like 1-2 gens ahead ready to release, just waiting for the moment when they have to release, if they keep being even slightly ahead, there is no point releasing another gen.
Honestly I would still go AMD. I feel they deserve the love since they’re pushing Intel to actually compete with them. Plus since so many laptops have 1440p as a standard resolution you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference in performance. I just don’t want to see AMD fall behind again since people just default to Intel.
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Yay, exactly what I needed! Thanks Jarrod! ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks this was needed 👍
that sounds like something i may actually be able to afford LOL
Now we're talking jarrod, looking forward to it 👍👍
The main competitor of the 11800H is the 5900HX. Why not test that? You also didn't look at this year's MAX-15, which has an improved architecture, etc. So why not get the MAX-15 11800H and the 5900HX with a 3070 or 3080? The only thing different between the intel and AMD models are the processor.
We can all thank AMD for pushing Intel. Competition truly is great for the consumer
My PC from 5 years ago is a dual core CPU 😂. So yeah. Definitely gotta thank AMD for this and glad they are doing well now
@@SF-li9kh That's about half as old as the dinosaur I'm using (which never had a discrete GPU, mind you).
@@SF-li9kh My i7-4700MQ quad core beast from 2013 is like 10% faster than i7-2600K at stock. CPU-Z, Geekbench 5, Passmark singlethread scores, all of these i get equivalent perfomance or snappy feeling like a desktop Ryzen 7 1700.
in emulation, my i7-4700MQ is *TWICE* as fast vs Ryzen 5 3500U from 2019, can compete with the equivalent H quad core part from AMD because Haswell is an old BEAST.
My current laptop has i7-4510u, 2C/4T 22nm CPU with 28nm GTX 850m lol and that laptop spits straight fire.
I'm planning to upgrade soon, and I might actually buy a 11800H laptop.
1. PCIe 4.0 SSD for futureproofing
2. Undervolting for better battery life and to prolong the already impressive lifespan of the CPU
It's worse in certain tasks than 5800H, but most of the time we won't notice the difference, let's face it.
Granted, my laptop won't be used primarily for gaming, so I might be fine with a 3050 as the GPU, though 3000 series is the minimum because of the 8nm architecture.
@@anonymouspokemon4623 Is not worse than 5800H lol, it's better.
This is why we need competitors for everything, so companies will not go stagnant.
yeah if amd was not giving intel a competition then till this day intel will be giving 4 core cpu
@@OrRaino the same happen when intel release core 2 duo...damn, couldn’t forget amd also f4ck up the whole markets. Lessons learned, never trust corporations... they are all into profit. Just look at how amd pricing their 5000. Really need a third brand to come out and knock them both on the ground
@@NamelessPassenger That’s not going to happen anytime soon. Also the pricing on the 5000 is fair considering your getting the best performance. If you want the best then you pay for it.
@@apricotmadness4850 Lmao, you're probably the type of guy who will die first in a zombie apocalypse.
You must always be suspicious whenever companies try to do this bullshit, even if it's just a little amount.
Neither Intel nor AMD can be trusted. I will personally trust AMD more because of Intel's bullshit, but this can change any time. With that being said, we need both of them. We don't want any one to fail.
@@apricotmadness4850not really, if you don’t care about architecture, or mid range motherboard that support OC...then 11th intel still offer better performance for better price (except i9 11900k)...11600kf vs 11700kf slightly ahead of 5600x vs 5800x. But again, for people who build amd before, there’s no point to buying a new motherboard to go for intel. And 11th h45 mobile destroy 5000H if budget isn’t your concern. After all, 11th h45 launch was the most success mobile launch in decade
Glad Intel is back in the race! We need Red and Blue to humble each other because they're all we have 💪🏽
Sadly they're all we have lmao
We might have green soon
Intel always been ahead when it comes to gaming
@@videosuu300 and they were substantially behind in every other department until TGL. No integrated TB, poor power efficiency, weaker productivity performance, poor iGPU performance for non-gaming laptops.
@@vncube1 this is a gaming comparison video lol, everyone knows they were behind in that but when it comes to gaming they were always ahead
Well if intel isn’t much more expensive then it is very compelling against amd now. Glad to see competitions so we have more choices
Hardly if you care about battery life.
In my country AMD is facing chip shortages. You know what the sellers are doing? They got greedy and jacked up the price of AMD card laptops to the same price of intel laptops !!! This greed is hurting AMD indirectly as they selling price of 5800H is very less. Due to the absence of price gap, many are picking intel. Which indirectly affects the right thing to do.
Any other country facing this ?
I’ve seen a few of models here in Australia, where AMD is around 10-15% cheaper to the Intel equivalent model, but here if the Intel model isn’t much of a difference then the Intel for gaming is a better choice 🥰👍🎉🥳 as as you mentioned, it’s good to see competition between manufacturers, each pushing the other to higher performance etc. Win win win 🏆 for consumers 🥰👍
if you don't care about battery life, sure.
What about all the security flaws from intel?
Intel 's catching up ... one of the best moments for fans: can choose which one they Like, the performance and price(now) wont bring them any noticeable disadvantage. Comprehensive and very good video. Thx for it.
I thought you actually meant cooling fans because they're _always_ a sticking point for many people.
no disadvantage apart from the battery life :p
a normal intel fanboy here
really happy to see intel is catching up
waiting for 12th gen now
@@thecoolerplayer6813 There is one more disadvantage, the fans are about 30% louder. 52db vs 66 db, and also as you undervolt and overlock you will have better thermals vs the intel because they cant get rid of the extra heat anymore as the fans dont have any headroom. On my legion 5 pro I have never even hit 100% fans and run cool as a lukewarm cucumber.
@@KrAOLo 52db is still loud af 😂
I was waiting for this for so long, thank you Jarrod for always bringing top quality videos!!
@@HumbleHuman-k7g Competition my friend. Intel hasn't been sitting still and neither will AMD. Whether it's AMD/Radeon, Intel, or Nvidia; the competition is about to get fierce.
@@HumbleHuman-k7g intel didn’t pay him. The fact is that if a laptop really has great ability of heat loss such as Lenovo legion 5 pro, then intel will always have better performance than AMD as its single core is actually more powerful, yet in case of other laptops which don’t have great heat loss then AMD will perform better.
@@HumbleHuman-k7g I've never taken any money from Intel, AMD, or Nvidia, and have actively turned down all offers in order to remain unbiased. Just because something wins doesn't mean I'm paid lol. If AMD won would you be asking the same thing?
@@JarrodsTech hey Jarrod Im asking Will you make a video about ryzen 5 5600G VS ryzen 7 5700G?
@@HumbleHuman-k7g dude that’s rude. I think that jarrods is one of the most neutral gaming laptops reviewers so O don’t think That he took money from intel.
As much as I don’t need a new laptop, I can always appreciate the competition in the space
This video really came in handy when trying to decide between an Intel based 3050 ti laptop and an AMD based one. Both came with these CPUs and the same ram and SSD configuration. Thanks to these benchmarks and the fact that I knew I'd be gaming at lower settings, saving the $100 and going Intel became a no-brainer
I want to know how do you make the background of your graph transperant. I recently did so, for my latest video(MSI Gf65 gaming review), but not as elegant. :(
Seeing how Ryzen 7 5700G performs below expectation in gaming, it's not surprising anymore to see Ryzen 7 5800H performs below Core i7-11800H. Zen 3 is only better than Rocket Lake or Comet Lake if it packs 32 MB of L3 Cache. With half L3 cache, it's not going to beat Tiger Lake. But objectively speaking, the efficiency of Zen 3 is clearly ahead of Tiger Lake.
5700G has another problem. It's monolithic. Not chiplet desing the the X variants.
*pets my 64MB cache*
Thank you for your hard work. Comparison with frames are well done, but in the future I would love to see temperatures recorded between the two and compared. I believe temperature while gaming is a pretty important aspect when looking at CPUs.
In my country AMD is facing chip shortages. You know what the sellers are doing? They got greedy and jacked up the price of AMD card laptops to the same price of intel laptops !!! This greed is hurting AMD indirectly as they selling price of 5800H is very less. Due to the absence of price gap, many are picking intel. Which indirectly affects the right thing to do.
Any other country facing this ?
My country is facing it too. The difference was the AMD chip costed more compared to the Intel chip.
@@freezekram6787 Kram, what if you and SF are from the same country though?
My country also facing the same thing 😂
Amd price were too high compared intel
Amd laptops here are pretty cheap.
Same the 17 11800h is cheaper here than 5800h
Huum I liked that Light Blue bars in the comparison, hehe colorful and well made, thanks Jarrod
looking forward to seeing what this year's Legion 5i / 7i will be like.
You finally made this video comparing Tiger Lake-H to Cezanne-H head to head. Thanks Jarrod.
Thanks for this excellent apples-to-apples comparison, Jarrod! One thing I really would have liked to know is how much louder the Intel system was running the same games as the AMD system. I'll trade a few percentage points in FPS for noticeably quieter performance every time.
good point
Super clear comparison, straight to the point. It's appreciated!
That 1% low in 11800H are impressive, there are some games in 1440p that AMD is also not that bad, but for pure gaming usage, I'll go with 11800H all day
Finally, a time where both companies are competitive
Jarrod is by far my favorite reviewer when it comes to tech. You are outstanding with your concise, unbiased and informative reviews. I watch tons of reviews by people like Linus Tech, Matthew Moniz and Digital Digest, but Jarrod is by far the best. No nonsense, gives you all of the specs and comparison data you could want (as opposed to opinion) and tells it to you straight. Kudos my friend. 👍
For the first time , this is the first time where you could no go wrong with any cpu.
You couldn't go wrong
U go wrong with amd because u don't get pcle 4 ssd for ultra fast speed or thunderbolt 4
@@nellatl nah, PCIe 4 for the average user/gamer doesn't make a significant difference and thunderbolt is only useful if you plan to hook up a eGPU (which deficits the purpose of spending $$$ on a top line dGPU like 3070 anyways) or if you're transferring a ton of very large data on a regular basis (i.e. Professional content creator/ video editor).
But you conveniently forgot to mention AMD being better at multicore processing and much more power efficient.
@@Royan1900 it doesn't make a significant difference,until it does.
@@Royan1900 you said the average user. Faster speed and productivity is definitely better for the average user. Intel wins today HOWEVER, amd will likely blow Intel away on the next update. Amd just mentioned they are planning on being better than apple's m1 on the next update.
Good on Intel for actually putting their money where their mouth is. Good to have some competition again. :D
Interesting to see the lack of cache hurting Zen 3 so much here...
In desktop chips it's not an issue. They also have 24MB cache. Only problem is in mobile chip
@@SF-li9kh They use 32mb L3 cache per chiplet on desktop, mobile is only 16mb L3 cache. AMD kind of screwed themselves with 8 PCIE 3.0 lanes as well. Which is weird because AMD were the first ones to bring PCIE 4.0 to desktop.
@@SF-li9kh I know it's not an issue in desktop chips. I run a 5800X. Irrelevant information is irrelevant, also wrong. It's 32MB L3 on the desktop.
intel didn’t pay him. The fact is that if a laptop really has great ability of heat loss such as Lenovo legion 5 pro, then intel will always have better performance than AMD as its single core is actually more powerful, yet in case of other laptops which don’t have great heat loss then AMD will perform better.
@@imglidinhere It is pretty relevant if someone saw your comment and then assumed that low m3 cache applied to desktop zen 3 as well. You never specified. Comment sections aren't a vacuum.
Would love to see the FFXIV:Shadowbringers benchmark test run at max settings on these. it gives great stats on how it was handled.
Thanks for making clear, concise and compelling comparisons and reviews.
I suspect that I have gotten all the info I "need" (for now) from your videos to date ... but I have just subscribed because I think your videos are down-to-earth, informative, and ... well, I'm probably going to need this kind of content in the future ... so may my future "clicks" just help in some small way to help you keep doing what you do so well. You are an asset to the general community, since (in general) we all need great informative content like what you produce. So, thanks, and keep it up! :)
Jarod’s one of the best Tech TH-camrs 👍🏻♥️
Awesome video for real Jarrod!
Thanks!
This is the kind of content some users like me want to see. Thanks!
Thanks for the comparison i was waiting this .
Hey Jarrod, great vid; one thing I might have missed is thermals - does the 10nm or 7nm burn hottest and generate therefore more fan noise? or about the same? This is so important for plugged in gaming on a laptop. I use a kneeboard at times. Thanks
Excellent review. Keep in mind that Intel's 12th Gen Alder Lake processors could launch in October. There are rumours it will be 22% faster than the current 11th Intel generation
Nee Tech is always arriving. There is no end to tomorrow. I really doubt we will get 12th gen mobile chips in our laptops until 2022. Their rumoured chip is a desktop one that boosts to 5Ghz. Mobile one not even rumoured. Also to note Zen 4 is coming soon too.
Then next year Zen 5 and 13th gen and so on.
Yeah, so, Alder lake + Ampere refresh (2022Q1, one year after the release of Ampere for laptop) could be a good combo
and keep in mind their 4 energy efficient cores may benefit battery life greatly, beating AMD in all aspects.
Maybe more than 22% compared to Rocket Lake in singlethread. Golden Cove and Alder Lake will be the new Sandy Bridge and revolutionary for PC gaming laptops.
What a monster the 12900K will be, the 11900K already can go beyond 700 points in singlethread perfomance in CPU-Z. One thread is basically 30 or 50% faster than the entirety of the fastest Core 2 Duo ever made...
@@SF-li9kh Zen 4 comes second half of 2022. Alder Lake P will probably launch at CES 2022. Even if AMD gets some Zen 3+ mobile chips out Intels 6+8 will most likely destroy it. So Intel has at least half a year of pretty strong leadership in high performance mobile market. 15W class with 2+8 vs 8 will be closer.
With Intel's next node launching in 2 months offering a 20% performance/watt improvement, it's pretty obvious why they're naming that node Intel 7.
I guess
Hey Jarrod, I purchased the Intel version based off of your findings. Thank you.
Glad I could help!
AMD also seemed to be heavily dependent on RAM speed. So that's another disadvantage. I mean it really fluctuates a lot when you change the RAM in some builds.
Great video as always!! ❤️
Thanks!
XMG is fine but I think most other brands will offer the intel variant costlier than amd one. so maybe 5800H will provide better cost to performance ratio.
Not really, sometimes it’s the other way around
Actually depends on stock and region.
In my area (Brazil) the difference between the 2 in the Dell G15 is about 36 dollars. Sadly I was uninformed and went with Ryzen lol. At least I can appreciate the longer battery life.
Another key benchmark comparison, thanks Jarrod!
Can you swap the x16 RAM with x8 RAM sticks (like you did on Legion 5 Pro and some other laptops you reviewed) to see if RAM performance affects one CPU more/less than the other one? It'd be a very interesting video. Thanks again!!
Great comparison of 2 great CPUs. But I’m looking forward to Alder Lake 12th gen mobile. Up to 16 cores on a laptop in early 2022 is gonna be crazy.
Well definitely waiting for that too, i'm curious how well the small core alder lake would perform in mobile segment, if the efficiency prowess rumor were true, we'll be seeing the efficiency battle in the mobile segment
Thanks Jarrod for the massive content!
I was wandering if the ryzen would benefit more of the Nvidia dynamic boost due to its better power scaling
What do you think?
Already got my omen with a 3060 and Ryzen 7 5800H and I'm happy with the performance. Im just gonna focus on a desktop build when things get better on the components pricing and availability.
Idk, i don't like laptops no more, i bought one and I have deep regret, i bought a Ryzen 9 5950x and a 3070 ti and now I'm laughing at 8/6/4 core Intel noobs
@@blocksource4192 Yep unless 16 cores for gaming is useless.
Great Video! Your videos save the need to watch through gameplay tests 😁👍
Glad you like them!
Great comparison video. Btw what were the the thermals of these CPUs?
Atlast the review I was searching for. Thanks man.
No problem 👍
Hi Jarrod would you consider maybe adding Valorant to your test bench of games? I believe it is very much cpu limited like cs go but much newer so it may be an interesting one to see. Thanks for the awesome reviews!
I agree! 👍
the video was really good
subscribed!!
Thanks, and welcome!
@@JarrodsTech oh my god !!
U replied 😀😀
Great job with this video, and good job Intel. However I am curious what the numbers would be if you removed all limitations. Intel's tend to run hotter, so I am curious if the thermal ceiling is better for AMD.
Yes I would like to see both laptops run all out just how they are out of the box.
AMD is more efficient at lower tdp. By limiting both cpus you are essentially favouring AMD/efficiency. That must be noted. Also OEMS do take this into consideration (that’s partially why their cooling design is different).
He explained that gaming typically lowers the cpu to 45W anyways
@@Dizastermaster. how cpu and gpu behave on games is highly influenced by OEM design. Short story his statement is not true for every game and not for every brand. Motherboard design and BIOS tweaking greatly influences how much power a cpu/gpu can AND will request. I’m not saying his testing was wrong. But he is fundamentally comparing AMD at it’s best to Intel hindered. So it is worth mentioning. This is only accurate for those who plug and play. If you know your thing and you are into tweaking to get the most out of your hardware, Intel on a proper OEM is the way to go by a substantial margin
@@gaston1527 His entire premise of comparing things is for plug and play
@@Dizastermaster. yet brands outperform each other just on the plug and play! From his position he should be educating people not settling cause the vast majority won’t care! I love Jarrod. I enjoy watching his content. This is just my opinion. I think more educated consumers leads to a better market overall.
@@gaston1527 Which is exactly why he used the same brand?
In Europe, Scandinavia the intel is strangely more cheap ( not by much), but still cheaper 🧐
not in denmark (intel is much more expensive) are you looking at 11'th gen?
Very nice comparison there.
even finding a 8 core laptop is hard to impossible in eastern europe xD even for A reasoNABLE price
What is reasonable, is the next question
That's why I've picked up Legion 7 5800h(struck a good deal on it), Legion 7i is not even listed yet on PSREF for my country so I don't expect it till end of the year(Legion 5 Pro is listed for 4 months already and is nowhere to be seen)
@@C0nvi im jealous cause im stuck with 4 core lenovo legion y520 you dont hear these model numbers anymore its like OLD now
@@Nogardtist I know that feeling bro, I'm waiting for delivery rocking 5,5 years old Lenovo y700
@@C0nvi bruh good luck hope its a 4-8 times more performance then what you have or had
Always good content. I look forward to your videos. Cheers, mate.
Glad you like them!
My bet is a combination of pcie 3.0x8 and lower L3 cache makes it slightly slower vs 11th gen.
fine work sir! thank you!
I want L7 vs L7i vs S17 😭
Also I wonder if next year we'll have PCIe 4 on AMD?
so apu in dekstop will have to
Kind of surprised how neck and neck everything was for the most part. But it's definitely a pleasant surprise! It's nice to see actual competition in the CPU space! And I think it's also clear that Intel finally moving to a 10nm process has been a major gain for them as they've finally been able to gap close Ryzen in other places. Though it's simple physics, 7nm is just going to be more efficient. But it does make me excited for 5nm and 3nm in the future which should be even more efficient while being a huge boost to performance.
So Intel for 1080p, doesnt matter for QHD gaming (so pick AMD for better battery life).
Lol, didn't you hear that he tested both systems at same power lvls.
That is pretty much the conclusion.
SUPER useful review :) Especially for a casual gamer for me
Thank you Jarrod for stepping up and making this video happen. As always, you da man!
Hey Bro!
I need to run Civil CAD Applications and Some games with some photo and video editing for CAD applications.
What should I go for i7 11800H Or R7 5800H?
You are doing GREAT.
KEEP DOING.
With the TDPs locked to 45W I wonder how they fare when they are not limited, considering the last comparison showed a significant increase in performance to the Intel chip.
Looking forward to the 11400H Vs 5600H video, your work is immensely appreciated.
Thank you so much for this video
What about fan speed and temperatures? Those really matter to me.
Being both limited by Jarrod to same 45W CPU and 125W GPU I don't expect any different heat requirement in this comparison.
As far as I’m aware, Intel’s CPUs get hotter than those of AMD.
@@VedanthB9 you got wrong info. At the same wattage Intel shows lower temperatures. No idea but if you studied this topic since Ryzen 4000 series came out you'd know this
@@tabalugadragon3555 I couldn’t find a direct comparison, but AMD runs at around 93 C without throttling. Does Intel run cooler than that?
@@VedanthB9 Yes. More like 89-91.
PLEASE, make a comparison between them using intensive rendering.. 4k videos (Premiere, After Effects, Davinci Resolve).. 3d rendering (Cinema 4D, 3D Max, Maya).. There's a lot of designers like me that buy gamer laptops just for working!!!! PLEASE 🥺
Hey jarrod. Which of the 2 laptops was producing more heat/fan noise?
heat 1% to team blue but they are using 30% more fan noise. After overlocking team red is way ahead.
@@KrAOLo any source or graph? Where did you get the info
Way ahead of what? Fan noise?
@@KrAOLo i assume you were just spouting empty shit
thanks so much for your effort , really help me choosing my next laptop
Will having only 8x PCIE 3.0 on AMD possibly be more noticeable on a laptop with an 3080 at 140+ watts?
absolutely yes. the faster the graphics card the stronger the bottleneck.
@justsomeguyhere You might get a bit more performance with PCIF 4.0, but the big selling point for PCIE 4.0 is that your storage can be twice as fast.
Possibly? Only a test can verify that.
DirectStorage is coming and maybe having PCIE 4.0 SSD's will matter then.
@@BigMac5 I see you liking to open that crystal ball🔮
I brought this laptop after watching your vids, the infinity w5 here in NZ. No regrets whatsoever.
Hey, you forgot the temperatures! Thermal test? :(
Intel runs hotter and fan noise is higher too
@@pancakeninja445 actually, intel ran cooler in this test. Don't lie for the sake of it.
Jarrod himself said it.
@@arkdesign9517 in this test sure, i had a 11800h and it was running hotter and throttling so ended up returning it and going with AMD no issues so far, I mainly game on it for hours so that’s my only real testing which IMO is more valid in terms of real world use
So the Intel laptop you shown in the video is pcie 4 x16 ? Or pcie 4.0 x8 ?
Need a i7 vs i9 comparison video
The i9 is basically diminishing returns. I have watched many reviews that saw a lower performance too as it was not clocking as high.
@@JarrodsTech does that mean the i9 for the GE76 isn't the best choice? I'm planning to get one but I am unsure about the i7 vs i9 dilemma, since in my country only the 1080p 300hz is available for the 11th gen GE76 (weird I know)
@@TheFerkala In a similar chassis, I9 performs better. But some I9 laptops are slim thus throttle the I9 chip
@@rashinmanickam8151 for the chassis of the GE76? Is it enough not to throttle it?
@@TheFerkala GE76 is good.
Thanks ,It helped me a lot
I wonder how the i7 compares to the 5900HX given those ones are allowed to get higher power and frequencies
no, the 5900HX would make no difference, and why comparing i7 with 5900 and not with i9 ?
I saw some benchmarks, it was getting ahead of r9 in some scenarios
It should be compared with core i9
Temperature should also be a consideration, I think. Ryzen tends to run a bit lower on that scale, but Intel has the option for undervolting enabled.
Tokyo 2020 Olympics final match is finally here 😄
Our Gaming Chip battle will be legendary! lol
Took me a moment lol
I scored a Zephyrus g15 with a 3070 and a R9 5900hs for 900$ this year. Upgraded the ram and tweaked a few settings in windows, and i absolutely love the performance. That little laptop of mine beat my old tower with a Ryzen 5 3600, 32GB ram, with a zotac 3060.
Yay. Just the thing I've been waiting for. Just came out of the gym and opened TH-cam. Instant happiness.
Fantastic review. 👍
Imagine the price of that intel laptop if AMD was not around...
Imagine what amd would price their hardware if they didn't have intel to compete, or the situation with ryzen5000 wasn't proof enough for you they're just as greedy if not worse than intel?
What amd did with 5k series was never done in the tech world, not even intel dared, yet every social media outlet kissing amd in their behind was still finding excuses for that pathetic price jacking.
@@arkdesign9517 intel already has history of bribing the companies. AMD isn't
@@ArunG273that doesn't change anything.
Great vid as usual mate. Just wondering if you can do a review on the infinity m7 with the 11th gen i7? And or compare it to the legion 7 amd
This man is always offering QUALITY CONTENT!❤️❤️❤️
Good afternoon, I have been looking for a gaming laptop for months at this point (I have watched almost of your review) and the Eluktronics Mech-15 G3 called my attention, with the same specs as the ones from this video, do you consider that buying that laptop is worth it?
What about the heat tho? Many intel chips are running hot up to 97-99° which of course degrade many componenta life
Nonsense.
That is nonsense in this mobile CPU generation because 10nm SuperFinFET has almost 3 times more density than 14nm.
@@saricubra2867 so mobile cpu running that hot won't brick laptops in the long run? My omen runs hot very easily and its quite scary to play more than an hour with those temps
@@chrisk6759 If your laptop runs at 97 or 99 °C, you clearly have a problem with your thermal paste or fans.
@@chrisk6759 At max at least, it's normal to reach 90°C or at least 92 on a badly cooled laptop in Cinebench.
Thank you my good Sir. When you will be reviewing the Alienware r6 and the 11th gen GP76 ??? And thank you again for your efforts. We love you 💕
Let's remember the Ryzen has only Pcie gen 3 compared to Intels gen 4 and it is still close.
So what you gonna say?
Good videos keep up the good work
I would pick the 5800h even if it is somewhat weaker in games mostly for the better battery life, better price to perf and temperatures (ie not requiring better cooling solution).
EDIT: I will not be arguying with all of you in comments :)
But Intel has the better price to perf🧐?!!
You pick battery life in a gaming machine ???
Weird choice but okay?
Same. In my experience, web-browsing with a QHD/4K resolution screen Intel H45 consumes 20 watts vs 15 watts on AMD H35/45. That translates to 2-4 hours of better battery life on the same capacity. That is a BIG deal. And also both AMD CPU & GPU seems to perform better unplugged than Intel & Nvidia. This is also a BIG deal.
@@hyperenerjak8179 Its not just a gaming machine for me i use it for everything i do.
@@hyperenerjak8179 it is a laptop at the end of the day
Would have loved to see a short glimpse of what the performance with the default config would have been. Because most users don't change power limits at all.
Now do a comparison in battery life between these two when off the outlet
You're the best Jarrod!
TLDW: both are within a percent or two of each other in most cases unless you play at low with a 3070. Basically, get whichever is cheaper for the corresponding performance tier
@Meta Data 1 hour with the poorly made XMG BIOS. With other models like the TuF A/F it goes from 7 hours on Intel to 10 hours on AMD.
Also, neither has stutters really. I agree that the frame rate is higher in Tiger Lake but stutters is quite misleading.
That's why I said it's based on price mostly. Lower noise and power Vs slightly more performance at a higher power target.
@@driveclub294 No - neither will stutter or be laggy. Both Intel Tiger Lake and AMD Zen 3 are excellent and that's why I say choose whichever is cheaper.
Jarrod bro is doing awesome,keep going,👍
I'm much more interested in the battle between 11300H vs 5600H with an RTX 3060 as that is what most people are going to buy
I guess 11300H isn't competitive enough to fight 5600H. 11400H will face 5600H equally especially there is little to no price difference between 11400H laptops and 5600H in my country
11300H is bad. Get the 5600H or the 11400H. 4 cores in a CPU these days is a joke.
11300H is a quad core processor that very few OEMs did laptops with and those are actually expensive. So no, people won't get 11300H.
@@Ghostsonplanets 10300H and 11300H are very popular in budget laptops with 3050/3060 at least in europe
@@towb0at Well then one should stop buying it. The shit 4 core CPUs gotta go. 11400H or 5600H should be the bare minimum
1:55 what does thermal throttling & Bottleneck mean? So is 125W GPU TDP the more recommended use setting compared to 140W?
temperatures?
Hi there! Great video, helped me get a feel for both cores working power. Have you considered adding Total Warhammer to the games you benchmark on? I would consider it due to how many entities it needs to load in both modes of the game and whatnot. Cheers
It feels so strange to see Intel back on top in mobile just from going to 10nm. I still feel like AMD has a lot more to offer, but imagine Intel vs AMD with the same transistor size in the future. This might really mean that AMD is still behind Intel in IPC, but the efficiency of the silicon narrowed the gap until now.
10nm (intel) and 7nm (tsmc) are basically on par.
Syzerix said it. The TSMC process node "size" is not comparable to Intel's old naming system. There are a lot of people who do not know this so Intel is changing the naming system in the future so Intel's old 10nm becomes 7I and that is roughly same as TSMC's 7N and Samsung's 7nm in silicon density.
AMD will have no answer until their Zen 4 mobile chips arrive in Q1 2023 at the earliest. Alder Lake mobile is launching in Q1 2022.
@@PatGeek37 with the current chip shortage? nahhh I bet, it wouln't. Anyway, i've seen u spamming the same comments... a die-hard fan of a monopoly who controled cpu prices for decades lol
@@ryanjaredguicosioson2591 I don't think the chip shortage gonna do anything towards Intel by 2022 and they both basically monopolies given the chance since you full on have like two choices Amd or Intel
If anything amd and Intel are helping each other from getting in trouble for being in a real monopoly
You can see this with the 86x/64x licensing
heard you're Australian, so why don't you please provide links where to buy those XMG laptops in Oz? Thanks
That's the problem with AMD, they keep up with 2D applications quite all right but gaming is where the difference is simply too big. And I want a laptop that is good for both 2D and 3D applications at once. I mean for as expensive as a decent laptop is, that's the least they could provide. Right now 10-20fps (the gap is bigger usually, up to even 40-50fps) might seem like nothing when you get >60fps on both setups but what in 2-3 years? It's gonna be 30fps vs 50fps for latest games and that is a major difference and then to the point where you can't run latest games vs playable at 30-40fps. So you end up buying another laptop sooner, in the long run you're not saving shit. Either AMD finally fully catch up or people just keep going for Intel. No one cares about a few bucks difference when they buy a laptop for a few years that will simply last longer. Also no one cares about battery life to that extent, you can't get full performance without power supply, anyway. And extra 1 hour if you already get >5h is simply redundant. If someone needs that 1 extra hour, that means he needs other laptop type instead of a gaming laptop. AMD wins the battles that don't matter for end user. People want performance, not minor advantages paid in lower performance currency. I like that AMD is making Intel sweat and they have to push faster and further but let's not get excited, they are nowhere near winning, they are closing the gap. Which is being a loser, only slightly less. Also Intel for sure have like 1-2 gens ahead ready to release, just waiting for the moment when they have to release, if they keep being even slightly ahead, there is no point releasing another gen.
Awesome review!
Honestly I would still go AMD. I feel they deserve the love since they’re pushing Intel to actually compete with them. Plus since so many laptops have 1440p as a standard resolution you’d be hard pressed to tell the difference in performance. I just don’t want to see AMD fall behind again since people just default to Intel.
Are you planning on doing a comparison of the XMG Neo 15 Ryzen 9 5900HX and whatever the Intel equivalent of that is (guess who's on Team Red)?