My nephew was ridiculed by his peers for going to trade school instead of university. He makes six figures now with his small HVAC company. He lives in Arizona, and business is booming to say the least.
My nephew was ridiculed by friends when he opted to skip college and start working....they're all now graduating with debt and he's got himself a ROTH with $30,000 in it (4 years of contributions and gains), has enouigh for a hefty downpayment on his first home (and qualifies for first time homebuyer incentives), and owns his car outright. The skills he's gained working the last four years for others now will be what he uses to launch his own business next year - he's already laying the groundwork for that and building out his website. The kid is motivated, smart, and very money saavy.
@@keepcalmprepon and btw tell your nephew those are not friends. I never made fun of my boys for not going to school. It just wasn’t them, but they were my boys, I grew up with them, had birthday cakes with them and their families, I did not think for a second any less of them. Again tell your nephew, those are NOT friends. Oh btw one of my boys is union electrician makes $65 an hour and other drives a truck and started up with company when they were small, they’ve grown, so has his salary- 70-75k. Context we are 27 .
College-bound "kids" are so fucking lame. Ever see that meme with bob the electrician that went to trade school...cutting the power on the college grad who couldn't afford the bill?😂😂 NPC's. No real man wants to sit at a fucking desk.
Graduated 10 years ago from a private college with an economics degree and a 3.5 GPA. The other day I made more money per hour filling holes in sheetrock than any other job I've had before.
What I'm not telling you is: I started working in the trades before I went to uni, and I've been doing it on the side for a long time because it's just so convenient for me and pays well. Now I'm basically a 'specialist' with a large network of clients. I went to uni to pursue a certain career, but as it turns out, the trades are better for me in virtually every way, because here I have serious bargaining power which, I believe, is essential to commanding a higher wage and career growth. Buying higher ed for yourself is essentially going long wages. It's much like buying (financing for most of us) a really strange annuity (or perpetuity, rather) whose income is greatly deferred, highly variable and dependent on factors outside of your control.
@@ellendemarie3776 Yeah, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you become exceptionally good at it. I think too many people went to college and developed a stigma towards trade work or literally anything that requires maintaining infrastructure.
@@na_haynes Mike Rowe has a great foundation where he gives scholarships to trade school. We need more people in the trades. They can open their own businesses and do very well.
I asked the hospital for an itemized list once. They were surprised. I told them the bill seemed very high for what I went in for, so I wanted to see what exactly I paid for. There was quite a list from $35 for the plastic covering on the computer monitor, $35 for a sheet (which wasn't sent home with me) to $900 for the surgeon to give me an injection. This is why medical costs are so high--the bs.
I did an audit of a hospital bill for a friend back in the 1980's. He was a retired USAF Master Sergeant, working as a body repairman in the body shop we worked at. He had the medical records as well as the bill. If something (a $2.00 charge for an aspirin, as an example) wasn't documented in the charts/records, we challenged. Saved the guy nearly $110,000.⁰⁰ by helping him out...
Did they drop the bill though because I went with my son and they literally put glue stitch on him and sent him home. In the ER for 15-20 minutes. I could’ve went to Wal - Mart.. but first time parent, scared… but 950 for that. I asked for itemized bill and it doesn’t do anything to lower cost. I fight and they say their not in charge of billing. You ever try to get in touch with the head of finance for a major hospital? Well good luck finding them lol
@@Hoodlum728 I know, live & learn, right? I don't remember about the bill I was referring to, but when I had surgery a couple of years ago, I asked again for an itemized bill. There was a charge on there that had no description, just a number. Before surgery, I prepaid because I saved $1800 out-of-pocket (something like that--a lot to me). NEVER DO THAT. I was told the bill would be ~35K (before insurance). When I saw my ins. statement, they had been billed over 8K less. If people aren't comparing the two, they could be overpaying. I ended up with my ins. co., hospital billing, & myself on the phone about the mystery chg. & the overcharge. The mystery was taken off. I didn't get a refund for the overcharge until I told the hospital the next phone call they got about the bill would be from my lawyer. It had been 3 mo., but after the lawyer threat, I had a check the next week. I don't even have a lawyer.
Six years ago I encouraged my niece to go to the State University. She majored in Journalism. Two years in, she told me she was oppressed as a woman because she took a Women Studies class. I told her she was not oppressed she has the freedom of choice in these modern times. I am 72 years old. She didn’t get a job in Journalism. She works as an office manager in a school. My other niece, I encouraged her to go to a technical school. She went for one year and assist passing of instruments to doctors in surgery. She gets paid very well. The Universities are indoctrinating our young people to be victims.
You dont find it odd these are the same people telling you that college is not worth it either? This idea that universities are indoctrinating students it's just not as simple as these people believe, I mean if it was true why would they waste so much time trying to convince us that it's what is happening?
My niece went from math and science as her favorite subjects to state college where she had trouble choosing a major. She finally majored in Women's Studies and Creative Writing, and then declared herself a man. He went for a Master's in therapy, then sat home doing nothing for 18 months before getting a job as a public school teacher trying to teach English to teenage illegal aliens with little ambition.
The math of college tuition stopped working years ago, but too many generations of parents saw college degrees as an end goal and not one of many paths.
@@RobertMJohnsonI guess you haven't heard about the falsified research Data scandal in harvard and Stanford. Not to mention the peer review scandal and the amount of nepotism that goes on which rewards who's favored not who is qualified
I went to a technical/trade school for my job. It only took a year. I love what I do! My brother never went to college but took a 2-3 month crash course in computer coding. Now he works in a good company. He works with people that got a 4 year degree for the exact job that he does. He enjoys what he does! I’ll always be a huge advocate for a good hands on job or a trade school without having to take out crazy student loans, just take courses for the work that is currently needed
Prolly doesn't make the same though. I'm in the same boat. My company is pushing me to to back to school to make me marketable to higher ups. I'll get better work and double the pay. I'm a elec tech for EE no degree and only even there for a year. I guess I'll keep doing what I'm doing because it works
The mantra of high schools will need to change. Public high schools insist “everyone is going to college” and push the academics to get in, while ignoring the fact most kids won’t be successful in college and many would be better suited for a trade or training for a certification or licensing in something.
1950 3% went to college, in UK. Today 50%. about 90% of those kids can't do college level work. It should not be a surprise. Could they do medicine, or law? No, and the main reason is those are degrees where they expect you to actually learn most of the course material to a high standard. Getting 51% in history is no better. In many ways it should be harder. Medicine and law, are mechanics, to get a history (or whatever) degree only makes sense if you have a highly superior ability, and actually got something out of it that google couldn't give you. My dad ran a college, and he would get worried when the admissions dropped a few percentage points off the average, which meant enough kids wouldn't make it to 2nd year for it to really mater, as the big money was not first year courses. This was the best Uni in Canada, so the entry level was really high to start with.
You have to understand they don't want people to learn anything... even a doctor. They don't want a man or woman that understands the human body. They want a mindless fool that prescribes pills and has ridiculous student loans so they have to finance their whole lives with interest payments. Why would they want you to learn about money ? They don't want people to make any. They want to teach you nonsense like men can have babies or maybe Photosynthesis. They want you on the hamster wheel and never get off. To put you in dept before your life even starts.
1999? You could have bought a starter home AND a factory program (slightly used) automobile. From 2000-2005, if you could fog a mirror, you could get a home loan with a very small down payment. Interest rates were low too. Hind sight.
Same here brother, University was the worst decision I ever made, a desperation play later in life, to try and get into the Ivory towers. It took 10 years before and 4 years after the deed working in trades to pay for it; I should have done literally anything else!
20 years ago you’d go to college for education, networking, and credentials. 10 years ago you’d go for the networking and credentials. Today it’s mostly for the piece of paper you receive if you graduate.
Unless you're an engineer, lawyer, doctor, and you know, all of those other useful areas of study that Republican whiners have seem to have forgotten about.
@@johndrumpf9888 OK you listed 3 careers you need a degree for... so what about everyone else ? Less than 1% of the population are in those careers. What about the other 99% ? Why does a kid have to take on college debt for the average job? They don't ! It's just about getting money from them.
I was a Manager at a Marriott lost my job due to COVID-19 ended up getting a job at a refinery, Met a guy my age who did 8 years in jail yet owns 4 houses because soon as he got out, he became a crane operator making 200k a year. Changed my perspective and now im a crane operator as well, Live better work union local 12.
200k sounds like a whole lot compared to what I see online. Is there some kindof specialty "crane operation" job you do? The BLS says only 10% of crane operators make over $93,410 .
@@BiggestArmInWestLinnOregon yea I'm actually surprised you found 93k it's all messed up I can't speak for other states but in California the hourly wage for a crane operator through union is 60hr usually 12 hour shifts so the overtime and double time on Sundays really helps especially if you are working 7/12's like I was for months really adds up, I just got my Tower crane Cert paid by the Union but I would start out with the apprenticeship it's about 60% Top wage.
@@williamlima8489 that makes a whole lot of sense. The bls bases stats on jobs nationwide, so its probably not wrong you just make alot in CA and work various OT hours. Congrats on your success, you're killing it!
My family couldn't afford money for my graduation so I took 1 year off and made some money then completed my graduation in Physics and Mathematics and now I am working in an IT company and helping my sister and brother to study further also I am pursuing my masters in business and management ( MBA ). After this I am planning to do LLB as well, I am just 23 years old and helping my parents as well. My father works as a watchman and my mother is a housewife. They both are not educated but they taught me the value of education. 🕉️🇮🇳 Thank you PBD for teaching me lots of things. Always look for the solutions not problems.
I’m the first to go to college in my family, I went at 27yrs old; I was a former drug addict, broken family, then graduated top of my class with multiple awards 10 years ago- it changed my life. BUT, I went to Oral Roberts University- private Christian D-1 university. There you are required to attend chapel, required to take a PE course each semester and run 1-2miles as a final each semester, required to know how to swim, they had amazing teachers who cared, missions trips around the world and local outreaches, challenging academics, they formed/shaped us to have character & integrity, to know the voice of God, to master your craft/skill and to transform the world. This isn’t your common university. They literally develop the “whole-man” (Spirit: who you really are, Soul: your mind will & emotions & Body: physical health for longevity and utmost performance). My children will go here one day. This school does far more than just “education” they build you up entirely. As for the rest of the universities and what they have to offer, it’s no longer needed unless it’s a career path that requires a degree.
College is the biggest regret of my life, by far. I regret going to college a hundred times a day. I thought it was what I was supposed to do after high school, and man I bet wrong. At the point, I am just deferring the student loans and they're ballooning beyond belief because I can't afford to pay everything else if I pay back the loans.
I am a plumber now and I also have several college degrees. I try very hard to use our preset price book to hold myself to a set standard across all the demographics of customers I serve. A tradesperson who upcharges based on a customers income or expensive house is not an honorable one. I am glad you found a good and fair hard working plumber it makes me very happy to hear!
My son was never strong in the classroom environment, like his dad. I got my son into Boces for HVAC his last 2 yrs of high school. He had job interviews before he even graduated high school. He demanded $2/hr more then they offered him, and he got it. He then got another $8/hr in raises in the next yr. He now makes more than me, bringing in over $1000 take home/wk. He's 3 yrs out of high school, at 21 yrs old. Meanwhile, I'm working as a RN, am 53 yrs old, and am still paying off school loans.
very good. Decades ago, I got a liberal arts college degree. Went to vo-tech for HVAC-R. Much better paying jobs came my way because of the learning curve. Tell sonny to get his Boiler Operators license too. More bases covered, employers love it.
@@RobertMJohnson• I wouldn't...I will go to 10 "bad" Dentists, before I'd go to one supposedly "good Doctor. They've tried to kill me since the day of my birth: dislocated my shoulder when I was born. Nicked an artery when I had my tonsils out at age 6. At 31, hysterectomy, without hormone replacement after taking uterus and half an ovary = 10 years of severe migraines followed. When the Coof hit, I knew (from school) about Tuskegee and thalidomide, and said, "NOPE, NO WAY, AND NO THANKS!" But that's just me : you do you!
My boys went into college Christians and graduated socialist. They have been out of college now 5 years and are starting to come back to their roots and realize how much "woke" culture college forced on them.
@@rc8929Your case is different. You went into STEM. You guys aren’t focused on many things outside of that. If you’re outside of that then yes you will experience some form of indoctrination. I can say this from experience as someone who graduated in 2019. I myself had one class that was semi woke but not quite and that was a little after Trump got elected. Most of my classes were okay except for that one. I’m sure a lot has changed after 2020.
Came out of the military recently and am considering going to school with the GI Bill for IT Management and then for a Cyber masters with WGU. There's a lot of back and forth on whether you should go to school. If you have it paid for, I see no problem in going for it as there's systems in place already laid out for you and as a military member you already have some workforce experience in government jobs. I am also staying with my parents while I do this so I don't really have to worry about high rent costs If I was fresh out of high-school with no "parents paid my college" money, I think the worst decision is to pull a loan while not even having a good track of work experience or having savings saved up. Instead, see if you can join a good branch of the military aka airforce, coast guard, OR consider trades. When you mature a bit more mentally you can properly decide what you want to spend thousands of dollars on to further your education
I’ve had a long career in Silicon Valley, helping the enormous evolution of the Internet and AI. If I were to do it all over again, I’m not sure college is a slam dunk anymore. I know you mentioned that the GI bill will pay which is great. However, there’s your time and effort which are more valuable now. With leading edge technologies outpacing the university system…I see your ROI seriously in the red time wise. Yes even with technical degrees in computer science and EE. These college programs simply can’t keep up with the market. The other issue is that the same content is taught pretty much for free on the Internet and TH-cam. If I were you I’d assess: 1. Your career path. If it’s the DOD cybersecurity, then there’s more reason for the college pedigree (or more likelihood in its relevance) 2. Inventory your current skills at the moment. Take assessment tests in the effort to save class time. 3. Taking college certificate programs to engage in the job force as well as leveraging requirements for additional programs/ credits. We’ve become a tech society that demands change in features quickly. The university system is not tooled to react. Since 1980 the cost of living has increased 270%, yet costs of college has gone up 1200%. Your costs are nil but the administration fat system itself is what’s the concern.
@@1guitar12 Spot on assessment. However, there are certain tech universities with innovation centers that cater to private-sector partnerships. In such places, top undergrads do get exposed to specialized cutting-edge tech, IF they have the right mentors. I currently work in a B2B software company based in Switzerland. We do certain work in partnership with a company based out of a local (top) university's innovation park. I understand that some of the joint dev on their side is farmed out to students working under the tutelage of the lead developer (PhD/Professor) and head of that small company. The development work is very specialized/niche (digital authentication) and I would imagine that the head of that company has the advantages of picking from the cream of the crop and at relatively competitive costs. For certain, if I were to enter university in these times I would not go for a general degree, but specialize in an area of imminent growth/opportunity that I would have a passion/interest to pursue long-term...then go for MEANINGNFUL internships throughout my studies, to both gain specialized knowledge and build a network right out of the gate.
You can spend your GI Bill overseas. Go to Asia. Let the USA Pay for an overseas school. It's cheaper, better education and you get to see the world on Uncle Sam's dime.
I'm 53 with a bachelor's and master's degree. Many of my schoolmates who went into skilled trades are way ahead of me in retirement goals. Some are even retiring in the next three years. My sons are going skilled trades route. I am happy for them.
The problem is that college was never supposed to be for anyone and everyone. Then , the myth about a degree being the only way you have success in life was pushed. Now, since that has turned out to be BS, the degree is losing value to society. There are plenty of other vocations to pursue that offers a great life without that degree.
My whole life growing up I was pushed to go to college. School had never really resonated with me in that way but I was basically forced to go. My dad didn’t give me a choice. Even my mom said to me how she thought I wasn’t really sold on college. Sadly kids will do things to even make their parents proud of them. My parents just weren’t informed at the time and thought college was the answer to a better life. But its not for everyone and its not guaranteed to give you a better live. Most people I know don’t even use their degree
@@DG-mk7kd Honestly, it doesn't seem to matter much. The honours course (Software Engineering) I went to via an accredited Uni in the UK had a massive failure rate. A bachelor's degree is just a ticket to get your foot in the door or apply for work VISAs. Work experience is probably better if it's an either/or thing. Ideally, you want both, IF the jobs requiring the degree have a high average starting salary for fresh graduates. There is some value in the maths/computing heavy stuff, but even then, the value was the piece of paper I got from a course known for a relatively high dropout & failure rate. The actual knowledge I use on the job on a day-to-day basis is stuff I picked up _outside_ the course itself. Employers are getting savvier about this stuff and placing less and less value on a degree. Unless we're talking something like a STEM-related PhD from a well-known college, which seems to be what a bachelor's degree used to be before credential inflation (as far as industry employers are concerned). Very questionable return on value when you consider what "other stuff" you can do with that money and time. Unless the government foots the bill for _only_ that and not the "other stuff"...
My son and I went to our local golf course to practice. My son was friendly with one of the golf course cart girls whom we struck up a conversation about education. My son is half way through his engineering program and the girl said she finished up her Masters last year at USC. At first I was impressed, then I asked her what she got her Masters in. She proudly looked at me and said “ Indian Studies”. I then asked where that degree might take her and she said she has been looking for a career in her field but is finding it extremely hard. Then she said that’s why she has this job but is still looking. I finally asked how long has she been looking for a job her response….” Since I graduated “. So, a Masters from USC and still cannot find a job……mommy and daddy’s money wasted on a absolutely useless degree
@@errolm8313 Everyone did; Everyone got a degree; The government screwed up the finances; and the degrees are being handed out to morons. So sure, could be good... Even you just refer to it as "a degree". The is a vast range as to what that means.
I know families who had their daughters travel to Italy & take online classes in place of 1st year at a US college. Instead of party time & scary sex escapades, their daughters matured, experienced other cultures & established a solid GPA for going forward if that's what they wished.
I learned that a lot of people go to the Philippines for the same thing. $600 for an entire semester. I wish I had the knowledge and foresight to see this. It’s up to me as a parent to teach my children the options laid out for them.
My problem is with the runaway debt game everybody is conned into playing. To be given a 6 digit loan as a teenager with no job, no credit, and no promise that you’ll ever pay it back.. What other $100,000 loan gets green-lit to someone with those credentials? Hey, I have no credit, no job, don’t know what interest is, and I’m not sure how I’m gonna pay you back but can I have $100k? The only time that flies is when it’s a teenager. That stinks like corruption.
Trade schools just lead to you getting exploited with labor that breaks your body over 20 to 30 years as well as a horrible work life balance. Unless unions become more prominent, the blue collar trades will keep shrinking.
I met a mobile key maker who has multiple key trucks, makes over 1 mil a year and has 8 houses recently after losing my key. If I knew this I would of started off as a key maker rather than my useless degree.
Not so fast. There are many degrees that are still relevant (nursing, compsci, stats, etc.). Don't be so quick to discard important institutions. STEM DEGREES/Jobs > TRADE SCHOOL/Jobs Do you want to roll out of bed, sit on a computer in your own home in air-conditioning, and make 100k or do you want to deal with brutal labor, work in summer heat, winter cold outside doing trade work for 100k. Sure, the mental labor/toil and stress in stem fields is usually much higher than in trades, but ill take that anyday over commuting and slaving on a construction site or fab shop. Im a former HVAC guy turned software engineer. There are many afordable high ROI STEM degrees available if you have the discinline to finish and apply yourself academically.
I had great grades and enjoyed working with my hands, i.e. auto shop, wood shop, metal shop, electronics, etc. at my high school . My counselor never mentioned trade schools. If I could go back, HVAC, plumbing, welder, electrician, elevator repair would have been a great choice. Even mortuary school, dead people don’t complain!! I also would have liked to serve in armed forces and been a Diesel engine or Jet Engine mechanic. When you are young, 4 year commitment seems like a lifetime!!
I'm 51 and encouraged my 2 oldest children to go to college and they did. My youngest daughter opted for military first and I think she made the best decision. College today is very different from when I attended.
No it isn't. I'm also 51, and my kids are in college, and their college is pretty much exactly how mine was. The only difference is, there's more things being taught, and more options, but nothing prevents you from getting a STEM, Law, medical, or other hard-core degree. What's happening now is that the parents raising their kids, usually white parents (not Asians), tend to create lazy kids who want an easy degree, and that's why you see them going into Sociology at a "party school". I spent my youth with my grandfather who was an engineer, and we built things together. I did the same thing with my kids, and they have a passion for making. That translates into degrees that create things. The problem isn't the colleges, it's what kids that the Baby Boomers created who want an easy way out. Honestly, military is good for discipline and leadership, but terrible for useful skills, unless you think doing maintenance on weapons systems is going to get you a good job at a manufacturer. I had a friend who learned to repair radar systems in the Navy. When he got out, he couldn't get a job anywhere, except maintenance at the airport. By contrast, someone I know who went to college and took electrical and radio engineering, now works for the American branch of a Chinese design firm, and he *designs* the radar systems which are sold to the military. He makes 10x what my ex-Naval radar maintenance friend makes.
@@johndrumpf9888the military does teach you useful skills. I got my LPN ( Licensed Practical Nurse) through the army. They paid me to go to AIT. MOS 68C. After one year at 20 years old I was a nurse. Made it much cheaper and easier to go from LPN to RN as well.
I’m in my 30’s and I can think of literally 1 friend who college ended up being worth it in hindsight. We all went to college, so that’s not a good batting average.
Unless you are from a wealthy family or you are going into a highly specific and specialized field you should go to Community College and get a two year degree. You can easily work your way through with no debt and gain some base skills beyond high school. If you want to continue your education after that, you just saved two years of debt and are older and more mentally ready for what you want your career to be.
Working in the education space.. a lot of it is lack of communication, inefficiency with onboarding students and making sure they have the guidance in what they are doing development wise with classes they are taking
Rethinking college is fine. The problem is that a vast majority of people don't have a good alternative, and they end up struggling to make ends meet. There's a reason the average income for those who have a college degree remains higher, compared to those who don't have a college degree.
That income difference is more a reflection of the individual rather than the degree. Someone with the aptitude to finish a bachelor's degree in a true discipline (math, science, finance, etc) is likely someone who will do well regardless of a degree. A career in the skilled trades (carpentry, welding, plumbing, electrical) is usually more financially rewarding than a career that one would be qualified for with a degree in humanities, gender studies, etc. without all the debt. Not all college degrees are the same. A degree in mechanical engineering is far more valuable in the market place than a degree in "ethnic studies". That "study" you are quoting doesn't draw a distinction among the types of degrees. It puts all bachelor's degrees into a single bucket with the average lifetime earnings being skewed higher by the degrees with actual value such as STEM. College is not the best path for everyone, and not everyone is qualified to go to college. Unfortunately, once college became a "right", universities had to offer all of the useless degrees in fields of study that have little value in the market place just so everyone could potentially achieve a "degree". Of course, the universities benefit by charging an astronomical amount for the useless degree, hence you have graduates who can't pay back their loans. The question is: why are universities able to charge so much for a degree that is obviously not worth the price? Because of the false belief that a college degree means higher career earnings for everyone across the board. Not even remotely true.
@@KayFabe87 Firstly, I'm not referring to a "study"; this information is readily accessible online and is consistent across regions and various subgroups (race, gender, etc.). This is data that is collected regularly as part of the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics, and several other institutions that observe demographic trends. Second, it seems like you're differentiating based on context and discipline. I don't disagree with your larger point that "it depends", since that is the case for nearly everything in the world. My point is that, if we are talking about the vast majority of people who are - by definition - average, then pursuing a degree is likely to be more beneficial to your annual income than working in a field that is predominantly comprised of high school graduates (which TEND to garner less income on average). Obviously discipline matters, but again, I was not speaking to that point. The national average and median across the board indicate that having a degree is associated with higher income, regardless of the discipline. We can get into the nuances if you'd like, but it seems moot since context always matters. Regardless, the stats are what they are. What people choose to do with it is up to them, and I fully support them as long as they hold themselves accountable for the consequences of their decisions.
Been a butcher for 25 years ... Bought a small farm in north FL... Been able to feed my family very well .Been able to put a roof over their heads and clothes on there back ... Zero debt... Zero help from a bank ... The trades run the world ... The farmer is the most important worker on the planet and are treated like shit .... They feed you clothe you and grow all the grains and fruits for all the booze and grow all the weed that is smoked !!! Take that all away and see what happens ...
@@christosphotiou3896 100k is middle class. But if u are smart with your money u can be financially free sooner than a lot of ppl. Most ppl are very financial unintelligent. Why Kenya tho? Can’t imagine it’s very nice there?…
University delays growing up plain and simple four years of your life. We are sitting on a padded university where you’re still visiting mom and dad for holidays. I traveled the world many times by then. Owned homes, seen everything! Why would someone waster most energetic years in a classroom dumb?
I knew college was a joke when the transfer office told me all the credits i took past 3 years didnt count in the new school and id had to take them over, AFTER selling it to students that those general credits count in every suny college. And after my music teacher wasted a full semester talking about his favorite 70s bands instead of teaching us how to mix and master like the description of the course said. When we asked him about it. This mofo said " oh that's next semester" so i learned it from youtube in a week.
A similar thing happened to me. I stopped going as a result of it. I just felt burned that they advised me to take some of these classes that no longer transferred over in the subsequent year.
my last straw was when i asked if id be charged if the financial aid didnt go through and i kept going to classes for 2 weeks. They said youll be fine. Then 2 weeks later when financial aid didnt get approved i cancel the classes. I get a bill in the mail for 1300 dollars for 2 weeks of class. i was like man FUCK THIS SCHOOL and stopped all together. The best decision i have made so far@@trademisconception9816
The admissions department and professors all promised a high payoff. After receiving a master’s degree with honors, I’ve noticed my friends who went to trade school are getting paid 2-3x what I’m offered for much more advanced and technical work with a higher risk factor. The risk to reward ratio for college is crap. (my degrees are in science and business, not some fluffy nonsense like gender studies or art)
When you look at college education, its all about ROI. The average joe with a stem or nursing degree will out earn most degreeless "entrepenuers" or trades people. All while avoiding physical hazards in trades and the increased financial risks of "euntrepenuership".
The elephant in the room that virtually nobody talks about is the loss of social status and mating opportunities. The research unequivocally states that women with a college degree do not want to date men without one. Trades aren't as great when you're approaching 40 and your body starts to break down. Hell, when I was getting my STEM degree we had many "leftover" students in my class - guys 30-40 years old who went back to finish their degree. The blue collar guys wanted to leave the trades, the white collar ones were sick of being denied raises and promotions.
@@kms_34234 I can see that. Maybe there is a "status" element to intelligence or at least the percieved intelligence of STEM graduate. There are dumb and brilliant people on both sides of the arguement. I believe any decent person can find a lifetime partner if they approach it organically and have reasonable social circles.
. I know folks where college experience paid off and also didnt. Depends on what you wanna do. Degrees open doors but they arent required to make it in life.
Sure if your colleges are crappy. Which seems to be typical these days. I would be very worried about taking arts at most colleges. But there are still good colleges out there, and if you are willing to put the work in, and your marks are in the top 3% it can be very worthwhile, financially, and practically. Look at this video. Is it STEM, are we learning to code? Most of what PBD gets into is stuff you learn in an arts degree. And as good as he is, the gaps show.
According to Malcolm Gladwell, there is a huge dropout rate in STEM, and having talked to HS and Uni people about it. It is intentional. First they want to clear out the dross who don't belong, by making it into a crazy fight, and they also are all about how great they are to have survived it. I found a lot of inconsistent and self indulgent behaviour that my kids were exposed to. They had all the scholarships, and depended on them, while their teachers couldn't count, and made bad exams. Very tough when you are depending on actual performance based measures for your tuition. Lots of suicides also.
As a teenager, I had no idea what I wanted to do. My dad had worked at NC State University in Raleigh NC in a shop where architecture and product design students could build models of their designs. I had thought that I wanted to go there for a time. But as a Junior in hs, I thought a lot about it and I just didn’t really have an idea what I wanted to do, so I decided to go in the army. A knee injury right at the end of hs and a subsequent surgery delayed it for a year. The injury reared its ugly head during bt so That ended my career in the army. I went to tech school and became a Paramedic. At 52 , I have changed careers a couple of times over the years but ended up going back to tech school again and have been a welder for over 20 years. My dad retired after 36 years and called universities “the great dumbing down of America “. He was right.
College is for dopes! Unless you are going to become a specialist, a doctor, lawyer (like we need more of those) or engineer, most likely college isn't for you. Spend those valuable years starting an online business, getting sales training, because a great deal of life is learning how to sell, and figuring out what you are here to do.
That's part of the problem. Everyone starting a business not knowing business or what they want to sell. But they still pull loans. Put up a poor website offering something like coffee. Same coffee a million others are selling just a different name. That's just an example. Then ppl owe money from a young age for something that failed because they didn't have guidance.
30 years ago, I was speaking with a sales engineer who asked what I'd like to do next. I said, "I think I'd like to go to business school and start a business... He asked me, "How much is the tuition?" "Maybe $20K/year." I replied. He said, "Better idea... Take that $80K you were going to spend on that degree and just start a business. If you're seriously trying to start a business and do your due diligence, you'll learn way more and in a much shorter time frame than listening to someone pushing some outmoded 'Widget Factory' business model."
@@LysisZero Guess what? The faculty in college aren't any better. Those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach. You learn by doing, in this life. Most great businessmen didn't get there using college textbooks. they got to work on their dreams, and they figured it out just fine.
The end of the video nails it. Pretty much everyone these days either name their price for their work, or are complete wagees. Very few professions settle into a comfortable, 3 bed 2 bath kind of existence.
There is no such thing as passive education. If you are 18 and you dont know what you want to do Go to the library and start reading or start traveling. Dont waste your parents money or make yourself a slave if you dont even have the willpower to invest in what you want to learn. If it takes you 1 year to figure that out its better than $250k of passive education debt...
Couldn’t agree more. The idea that college should be your first move the SECOND u graduate HS is a mistake. College should be looked at as more of a last resort. Wait till your older like 20-25 if there something you want to actually pursue at a college.
I think it should be illegal to ask for a degree when it doesn't apply, though it is hard to know when that would be since, even for dolts a degree probably ads something.
Then that's being irresponsible and not choosing a career before a college degree also community colleges are lot cheaper to attend than top 10 colleges in any state.
I went and completed my degrees after whistleblowing because I could afford to go as I qualified for the Pell Grant. As an adult they tried to bully me in ways that I could handle because I'd seen worse, but if I were the parent of a freshman and they'd done this to my child I would have already sued them , I have lawyers offer to take my case and am still considering it.
Less people going to college then the price of college should go down and the value of a college degree for all those with one will go up. Sounds good to me!
My tenants are all college material. Most of them have deferred college loans that were never paid back. I have a high school diploma, most of college grads who residing in my rentals have master's degrees in humanities, liberal arts, English, broadcasting, Education and Transgender studies. combined loans totaled over a few million dollars.
Colleges fell apart in the late 70s. They started creating giant, bloated bureaucracies, top heavy with dead weight overhead administrators that did/do nothing but “fundraise” and solicit money. Additionally, the teaching staff stopped GAS and instead pushed the woke agenda because, and I didn’t coin the phrase, “Those that can’t, teach”. The schools passed on their exorbitant costs to the students in the form of tuition and the loan forgiveness debacle is to get the little foot soldiers to fall in line with the plan.
@@MagesseT1 unfortunately it’s the blue collar men earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year keeping all this shit called the civilised world running that are paying for the worthless college graduates that need welfare in whatever’s being offered to them.
BTW in my manufacturing job that enabled me to learn other skills too. I can fix vehicles, spray paint a car, operate hand tools and machinery, build furniture, decorate a home, lay paving, build a wall etc etc. Practical work gives you cross over skills that can keep you employed with higher earning potential. Some degree courses today are so darn impractical it renders young people impractical to the point they become dependent on others even in simple work like fixing a door handle or stopping a dripping faucet! But they can write a 5,000 essay! Fucking useless if your roof is leaking.
So, why do they keep doing what they're doing? Simple: Get that guaranteed, can't be dismissed loan money. The suckers won't find out until it's WAY too late. College has become a racket for people who claim to despise Capitalism to capitalize on the ignorance of well meaning, trusting kids and families. A.I. is going to be the Nail In The Coffin for the remaining 20%.
Part of me is so sad about it. Some of my best lifelong friends came out of college 25 years ago. But I will not pay for a crap education. My kids might go but most likely will not. I’d rather buy then a house and let them live with me for 1 or 2 years of a trade school…..or start a family farm business (one of our ideas) and have them learn skills that would make the business even better. Then they can build houses on the property!
My trade school loans gave me problems even with good paying jobs. I can’t imagine someone who can’t find employment or migrants coming to the US and sending their kids by default
I could feel the social shame when i dropped out of college. Eventually i grew into achieving what i could never imagine. I support myself through art and am happier than ever could be being a software engineer behind a computer coding. It may not be the same money but im glad i didn’t follow through with college. Its not for everyone people gotta figure out what makes them happy everyday and what they would wanna do everyday and meet life halfway.
As an employer, I can speak from personal experience in saying that recent college graduates are absolutely worthless employees. They have no useful skills, no work ethic, and a massive victim mentality. I’m to the point where having a college degree is more of a negative than a positive in applicants. I’d much rather higher a kid right out of high school with ambition and a willingness to learn the business.
I have seen the exact same thing. It has reached a point where I refuse to hire anyone under the age of 35. Many kids right out of high school have that same victim mentality. The indoctrination has spread all the way down to K-12.
Some if not most colleges for specific fields, you're not even guaranteed to get into. After doing a year of GE courses, to actually be accepted into whatever field of study as a career, its like a raffle or lottery, they'll only pick 60 out of 200 people then you'll just wasted a yr for nothing, and placed on s wait list for next semesters' lottery pick. Why would I waste time and money on a system like that?
College is for the experience not ‘a job’. I had a brilliant time in college but it didn’t help me make any money - that’s something I figured out on my own…and I don’t regret going to college at all. The experience is everything and for me was worth the money.
There's a direct correlation with government involvement and prices skyrocketing - college, healthcare, automobiles, and practically most industries now. There's no "free market".
When I went to college you would watch a huge group drop every semester right after financial aid came out. They took out student loans and got grants then just kept the money and never looked back. My wife has a bachelor's in Environmental science and a minor in chemistry. She current works for the Post Office and can't find a job in her desired field. Her parents paid a ton of money for that education
There were so many people in college who on the first day of class when introducing themselves said their major was Environmental Science. So sad that so many people were conned by colleges & advisers.
@@JNYC-gb1pp She wanted to do wildlife biology or something for the department of wildlife, but you basically need 2 yrs work experience and fresh out of college you can only get that via volunteering basically. They don't tell you that in college lol.
@@jesselost05420Interships are the new entry level job. IF you don't do interships before graduating college. That college degree is worthless to employers.
@@davidcarvajal5739 mind you the good internships are highly competitive and politics involved same as a highly coveted position in corporate America. It starts then.
It doesn’t make sense to give high paying position to entitled people that feel like they deserve it because they went to school. Vs someone that works for it day in day out
Education is great, but these prices are making it a questionable investment. Some of these pre-requisites and electives are pointless. I have nothing against history or psychology or whatever, but if you're going to school for Engineering, then those courses are irrelevant. You can remove probably a dozen courses and save students time and money, but then there's issues with accreditation. I am a college drop out with no student loans and I make $150k a year, I have 2 multi family properties, I just got a big raise and I work on billion dollar construction projects. Too many people were brainwashed to believe that a degree equals success.
If you aren't doing something complicated in college like advanced math or science, there's no point. You need training or knowledge that 99% of people or more have zero grasp of, not a liberal arts degree
A liberal arts degree is a great minor to have or dual major. Liberal Arts degrees like Linguistics, for example are extremely powerful when paired with Machine Learning. Indeed, these days at elite schools, people are pairing machine learning with all kinds of artistic oriented degrees. Philosophy is also an outstanding mind sharping minor to have. The right wing in this country wants to stick its head in the sand. We can't have a world that's only vocation, and no art.
I advocate for student loan forgiveness because the damage had already been done when they print out the money. Why should we pay the loan + interest back when it was imaginary money to begin with?
DO NOT BOTHER GOING TO COLLEGE. I attended at 25 graduated at 30. It took me an extra year because I worked fulltime. I thought it would boost my earning potential. I was offered a lower wage with my degree than I make without my degree because they considered me as a 20 year old kid with no experience although I am 30 and working since 15 with a permit. So, its been 3 years after graduation and I have never worked in my field of study because I would cut my pay in half and be unable to continue supporting my family and make rent. College is total bullshit when it comes to increasing earning potential. I got a stem degree too.
I joined the military so the Government would pay for my education. Thank God for that because my education was awesome and qualified me over many others that didn't go to college. I got my degree in Business Administration.
I did the same and was able to milk the government for well over 100k in funding and still have entitlements left to get more money. Disliked nearly every minute of the military ..but When I hear these issues I’m Thankful for it overall .
The real problem with the middle class is that companies aren’t paying what they should and not really keeping up with inflation. The way this economy is set is for people to spend. The average salary is barely enough to get by. This is not the 80’s and 90’s anymore. 50k/60k a year is not a lot of money anymore. This is especially true in the past 5 years. I’m not saying you can’t live off that amount, I’m just saying it’s not that much like it use to be 30 years ago. Look at entry level housing in most desirable areas where there are jobs and entertainment in the US. It either doesn’t exist or it’s starting around 400k. By the time you have kids, one parent will need to stay at home so your living off of 60k. Even at 80k, you start to wonder was school worth it because them bills are killing you and your still paying those student loans. I won’t get better because AI about to throw a wrench into the game!
Back when my dad, went to Uni in the Uk, only 3% went, and in my dad's case he was so good the major city he grew up in, made a double scholarship for him to send him to a top college. These are the people who made the reputation for a university education as something that would guarantee you a job, and a purpose. Today, 50% of the UK pop went to college a few years back. And there is a huge bias towards women enrolling. Basically we are sending women to college whose IQ is at the 33rd percentile. That is getting to the point where one has trouble tying one's shoes. If only women went to college, and the 50% level persists, that would mean every woman, including the stupidest women in society, literally, were trying to cut it at University, which is crazy. University isn't supposed to be daycare. Garbage in, garbage out.
I dropped out of high school in the 12th grade because I wasn’t going to graduate so I wasn’t about to pay tens of thousands to go through something I’d hate. Plus I don’t want a desk job even if it pays a lot.
I currently have an MBA and am proud of that - however I literally have coworkers who never even went to college doing the same job I do. Several years ago when I started my journey I thought college = success, but honestly that’s just not the case in the real world. In todays world you have UPS Drivers delivering packages for 100 grand a year and you can go into a trade doing Plumbing / HVAC / Electrical etc and make $$$, even starting your own business doing that. Times are changing and I do not believe that the debt incurred is worth it anymore
I graduated in 2005. I struggled to get a job in my field in theatre arts. I know. Wrong major. No one hired me because of no experience. Got stuck doing customer service🙄
The only reason there isn't a negotiation or an "unreasonable" price is that you aren't willing to experience any temporary discomfort or delayed gratification. When people don't have money to burn prices tend to drop in order to reach people where they're at. If you were a person wasn't rolling in cash (the way most people are), your repair would be delayed and likely done on your own.
I completed 2 years of college for basically IT training, it did land me a job that I grew to hate. I'm 30 years old and I'm just happy my primary source of income meets my mortgage and expenses at 40 hours a week. I work part time retail for extra money and do ride shares. I don't know what I want to do with my life, it's scary. College is a huge liability and a huge risk for normal people. I would recommend a college education to a 17 year old in high school who's excelling in AP courses and chooses a profession like robotics or nuclear engineering.
Well when my parents went to college the cost vs Income was an easy decision. Today the Cost vs Income is disproportional. So yeah even the grandparents are looking at the ROI and rethinking if it’s a good deal.
Hospitals charge high, because the insurance companies don’t pay. Insurance companies want us to take care of patients for free. And the few times we do get paid we have to get paid a lot to make up for the loss
Here in the UK everyone goes to Uni now. Delaying life is the only thing it's promoting. Its scary how flattery is driving everything. No jobs exist for all these certificate waving kids... Its a scam. Get kids into making fixing and learning about how money is created. The University of life is the most valuable lesson. The more they experience they get sets them up for life. Its all got to change.
As someone currently in college, it is everything I knew it was before enrolling… A blatant scam to get a piece of paper that says you can do the job you’re already doing anyway. It’s disgusting man
I got one of my kids in the Operating Engineers Apprenticeship program and my nephew in the Elevator Apprenticeship program. They're both very happy with how their careers and training are going. Trade school boys and girls.
People are loosing interest because a whole generation has gone to college and found out the job they wanted and studied for is now in India or China; and we still have the debt of a promise not fulfilled. No merit, just greed and exploitation get you to the top. I’m not talking about basket weaving and liberal arts; I’m talking engineers/scientists/designers/etc…
Reminds me that - I don’t know why but lately - before I check the price on something I tell myself “if it’s under x amount I’ll buy it” - and THEN I’ll look at the price to see how much it is
Same here in Eastern Europe. But in a different angle. All of our brightest in trades went to the west. Who stayed here are the elders who stayed because they don't want to give up their house etc., or who want to capitalize the shortages. If you are capable to handle a project you make a decent living. If you are the best in your trade in your area your phone explodes with job offers and you live like in Western Europe. Trades usually worth more here than degrees.
My nephew was ridiculed by his peers for going to trade school instead of university. He makes six figures now with his small HVAC company. He lives in Arizona, and business is booming to say the least.
My nephew was ridiculed by friends when he opted to skip college and start working....they're all now graduating with debt and he's got himself a ROTH with $30,000 in it (4 years of contributions and gains), has enouigh for a hefty downpayment on his first home (and qualifies for first time homebuyer incentives), and owns his car outright. The skills he's gained working the last four years for others now will be what he uses to launch his own business next year - he's already laying the groundwork for that and building out his website. The kid is motivated, smart, and very money saavy.
@@keepcalmprepontell him to look into a cleaning business too as side hustle. He’s young, and the returns.. let me tell you!
@@keepcalmprepon and btw tell your nephew those are not friends. I never made fun of my boys for not going to school. It just wasn’t them, but they were my boys, I grew up with them, had birthday cakes with them and their families, I did not think for a second any less of them. Again tell your nephew, those are NOT friends. Oh btw one of my boys is union electrician makes $65 an hour and other drives a truck and started up with company when they were small, they’ve grown, so has his salary- 70-75k. Context we are 27 .
College-bound "kids" are so fucking lame. Ever see that meme with bob the electrician that went to trade school...cutting the power on the college grad who couldn't afford the bill?😂😂 NPC's. No real man wants to sit at a fucking desk.
His peers would rather go into massive debt for the "prestige" of college
Graduated 10 years ago from a private college with an economics degree and a 3.5 GPA. The other day I made more money per hour filling holes in sheetrock than any other job I've had before.
Both my children are in their mid 30s one has an accounting degree the other finance, and they have their own businesses and they are doing fantastic
What I'm not telling you is: I started working in the trades before I went to uni, and I've been doing it on the side for a long time because it's just so convenient for me and pays well. Now I'm basically a 'specialist' with a large network of clients. I went to uni to pursue a certain career, but as it turns out, the trades are better for me in virtually every way, because here I have serious bargaining power which, I believe, is essential to commanding a higher wage and career growth.
Buying higher ed for yourself is essentially going long wages. It's much like buying (financing for most of us) a really strange annuity (or perpetuity, rather) whose income is greatly deferred, highly variable and dependent on factors outside of your control.
@@ellendemarie3776 Yeah, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you become exceptionally good at it. I think too many people went to college and developed a stigma towards trade work or literally anything that requires maintaining infrastructure.
@@na_haynes Mike Rowe has a great foundation where he gives scholarships to trade school. We need more people in the trades. They can open their own businesses and do very well.
Sounds like you didn’t apply yourself correctly
I asked the hospital for an itemized list once. They were surprised. I told them the bill seemed very high for what I went in for, so I wanted to see what exactly I paid for. There was quite a list from $35 for the plastic covering on the computer monitor, $35 for a sheet (which wasn't sent home with me) to $900 for the surgeon to give me an injection. This is why medical costs are so high--the bs.
I did an audit of a hospital bill for a friend back in the 1980's.
He was a retired USAF Master Sergeant, working as a body repairman in the body shop we worked at.
He had the medical records as well as the bill.
If something (a $2.00 charge for an aspirin, as an example) wasn't documented in the charts/records, we challenged.
Saved the guy nearly $110,000.⁰⁰ by helping him out...
@@MagesseT1 Wow! That's crazy!
Did they drop the bill though because I went with my son and they literally put glue stitch on him and sent him home. In the ER for 15-20 minutes. I could’ve went to Wal - Mart.. but first time parent, scared… but 950 for that. I asked for itemized bill and it doesn’t do anything to lower cost. I fight and they say their not in charge of billing. You ever try to get in touch with the head of finance for a major hospital? Well good luck finding them lol
Now look at why they charge those prices: Ten or more illegals get free emergency service for every person that has insurance.
@@Hoodlum728 I know, live & learn, right? I don't remember about the bill I was referring to, but when I had surgery a couple of years ago, I asked again for an itemized bill. There was a charge on there that had no description, just a number. Before surgery, I prepaid because I saved $1800 out-of-pocket (something like that--a lot to me). NEVER DO THAT. I was told the bill would be ~35K (before insurance). When I saw my ins. statement, they had been billed over 8K less. If people aren't comparing the two, they could be overpaying. I ended up with my ins. co., hospital billing, & myself on the phone about the mystery chg. & the overcharge. The mystery was taken off. I didn't get a refund for the overcharge until I told the hospital the next phone call they got about the bill would be from my lawyer. It had been 3 mo., but after the lawyer threat, I had a check the next week. I don't even have a lawyer.
My son was absolutely college material. He went to trade school instead and makes doctor money with no huge loan debt.
I paid for my university mistake in the trades, trades/CDL truck driving made my entire life possible. (screwups and all).
a doctors salary has a very wide range
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So he makes $250k a year?
he makes $600,000 a year? b/c that's the average anesthesiologist in the bay area
Six years ago I encouraged my niece to go to the State University. She majored in Journalism. Two years in, she told me she was oppressed as a woman because she took a Women Studies class. I told her she was not oppressed she has the freedom of choice in these modern times. I am 72 years old. She didn’t get a job in Journalism. She works as an office manager in a school. My other niece, I encouraged her to go to a technical school. She went for one year and assist passing of instruments to doctors in surgery. She gets paid very well. The Universities are indoctrinating our young people to be victims.
You are 100% correct.
Yes.
You dont find it odd these are the same people telling you that college is not worth it either? This idea that universities are indoctrinating students it's just not as simple as these people believe, I mean if it was true why would they waste so much time trying to convince us that it's what is happening?
My niece went from math and science as her favorite subjects to state college where she had trouble choosing a major. She finally majored in Women's Studies and Creative Writing, and then declared herself a man. He went for a Master's in therapy, then sat home doing nothing for 18 months before getting a job as a public school teacher trying to teach English to teenage illegal aliens with little ambition.
No, they showed her its a man's world.
The math of college tuition stopped working years ago, but too many generations of parents saw college degrees as an end goal and not one of many paths.
no. the elite schools and pre-professional programs are still highly valuable
@@RobertMJohnsonI guess you haven't heard about the falsified research Data scandal in harvard and Stanford.
Not to mention the peer review scandal and the amount of nepotism that goes on which rewards who's favored not who is qualified
College, especially law and business, are valuable mostly for connections that you build.
@@8630733 But don’t you need a degree to be a lawyer, accountant, financial analyst and all those kinds of jobs?
@@RobertMJohnsongreat story Bruh needs dragons.
I went to a technical/trade school for my job. It only took a year. I love what I do!
My brother never went to college but took a 2-3 month crash course in computer coding. Now he works in a good company. He works with people that got a 4 year degree for the exact job that he does. He enjoys what he does!
I’ll always be a huge advocate for a good hands on job or a trade school without having to take out crazy student loans, just take courses for the work that is currently needed
Prolly doesn't make the same though. I'm in the same boat. My company is pushing me to to back to school to make me marketable to higher ups. I'll get better work and double the pay. I'm a elec tech for EE no degree and only even there for a year. I guess I'll keep doing what I'm doing because it works
The mantra of high schools will need to change. Public high schools insist “everyone is going to college” and push the academics to get in, while ignoring the fact most kids won’t be successful in college and many would be better suited for a trade or training for a certification or licensing in something.
Yea if you are going to college you're seen as well respected. If you are doing trades you are seen as poor, dirty
No, high schools should prepare kids for college. We shouldn’t lower our standards to accommodate low performing students
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If you don't someone says it's racist.
1950 3% went to college, in UK. Today 50%. about 90% of those kids can't do college level work. It should not be a surprise. Could they do medicine, or law? No, and the main reason is those are degrees where they expect you to actually learn most of the course material to a high standard. Getting 51% in history is no better. In many ways it should be harder. Medicine and law, are mechanics, to get a history (or whatever) degree only makes sense if you have a highly superior ability, and actually got something out of it that google couldn't give you. My dad ran a college, and he would get worried when the admissions dropped a few percentage points off the average, which meant enough kids wouldn't make it to 2nd year for it to really mater, as the big money was not first year courses. This was the best Uni in Canada, so the entry level was really high to start with.
You have to understand they don't want people to learn anything... even a doctor. They don't want a man or woman that understands the human body. They want a mindless fool that prescribes pills and has ridiculous student loans so they have to finance their whole lives with interest payments.
Why would they want you to learn about money ? They don't want people to make any. They want to teach you nonsense like men can have babies or maybe Photosynthesis.
They want you on the hamster wheel and never get off. To put you in dept before your life even starts.
If I could go back to 1999 I would tell myself NOT to go to college. My college debt has been paid but I should have bought a home instead
Curious. What kind of work u end up doing and what u would have selected as an alternative? And do u think u could have got a home loan?
1999? You could have bought a starter home AND a factory program (slightly used) automobile. From 2000-2005, if you could fog a mirror, you could get a home loan with a very small down payment. Interest rates were low too. Hind sight.
Same here brother, University was the worst decision I ever made, a desperation play later in life, to try and get into the Ivory towers. It took 10 years before and 4 years after the deed working in trades to pay for it; I should have done literally anything else!
@@Albertalorian Did you get a real degree or a liberal arts degree?
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20 years ago you’d go to college for education, networking, and credentials.
10 years ago you’d go for the networking and credentials.
Today it’s mostly for the piece of paper you receive if you graduate.
Lol.. it was an indoctrination scheme 20 years ago also. This shit has been going on for my entire life. It's just you are now paying attention.
facts
Heart surgeons just have a piece of paper? 'tard.
Unless you're an engineer, lawyer, doctor, and you know, all of those other useful areas of study that Republican whiners have seem to have forgotten about.
@@johndrumpf9888
OK you listed 3 careers you need a degree for... so what about everyone else ? Less than 1% of the population are in those careers. What about the other 99% ?
Why does a kid have to take on college debt for the average job? They don't ! It's just about getting money from them.
I was a Manager at a Marriott lost my job due to COVID-19 ended up getting a job at a refinery, Met a guy my age who did 8 years in jail yet owns 4 houses because soon as he got out, he became a crane operator making 200k a year. Changed my perspective and now im a crane operator as well, Live better work union local 12.
200k sounds like a whole lot compared to what I see online. Is there some kindof specialty "crane operation" job you do? The BLS says only 10% of crane operators make over $93,410 .
Depends in the type of crane
@@BiggestArmInWestLinnOregon yea I'm actually surprised you found 93k it's all messed up I can't speak for other states but in California the hourly wage for a crane operator through union is 60hr usually 12 hour shifts so the overtime and double time on Sundays really helps especially if you are working 7/12's like I was for months really adds up, I just got my Tower crane Cert paid by the Union but I would start out with the apprenticeship it's about 60% Top wage.
@@williamlima8489 that makes a whole lot of sense. The bls bases stats on jobs nationwide, so its probably not wrong you just make alot in CA and work various OT hours.
Congrats on your success, you're killing it!
@@BiggestArmInWestLinnOregon are you also undefeated and undisputed?
My family couldn't afford money for my graduation so I took 1 year off and made some money then completed my graduation in Physics and Mathematics and now I am working in an IT company and helping my sister and brother to study further also I am pursuing my masters in business and management ( MBA ).
After this I am planning to do LLB as well, I am just 23 years old and helping my parents as well.
My father works as a watchman and my mother is a housewife. They both are not educated but they taught me the value of education.
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Thank you PBD for teaching me lots of things.
Always look for the solutions not problems.
I’m the first to go to college in my family, I went at 27yrs old; I was a former drug addict, broken family, then graduated top of my class with multiple awards 10 years ago- it changed my life. BUT, I went to Oral Roberts University- private Christian D-1 university. There you are required to attend chapel, required to take a PE course each semester and run 1-2miles as a final each semester, required to know how to swim, they had amazing teachers who cared, missions trips around the world and local outreaches, challenging academics, they formed/shaped us to have character & integrity, to know the voice of God, to master your craft/skill and to transform the world. This isn’t your common university. They literally develop the “whole-man” (Spirit: who you really are, Soul: your mind will & emotions & Body: physical health for longevity and utmost performance). My children will go here one day. This school does far more than just “education” they build you up entirely. As for the rest of the universities and what they have to offer, it’s no longer needed unless it’s a career path that requires a degree.
College is the biggest regret of my life, by far. I regret going to college a hundred times a day. I thought it was what I was supposed to do after high school, and man I bet wrong. At the point, I am just deferring the student loans and they're ballooning beyond belief because I can't afford to pay everything else if I pay back the loans.
I am a plumber now and I also have several college degrees. I try very hard to use our preset price book to hold myself to a set standard across all the demographics of customers I serve. A tradesperson who upcharges based on a customers income or expensive house is not an honorable one. I am glad you found a good and fair hard working plumber it makes me very happy to hear!
My son was never strong in the classroom environment, like his dad. I got my son into Boces for HVAC his last 2 yrs of high school. He had job interviews before he even graduated high school. He demanded $2/hr more then they offered him, and he got it. He then got another $8/hr in raises in the next yr. He now makes more than me, bringing in over $1000 take home/wk. He's 3 yrs out of high school, at 21 yrs old. Meanwhile, I'm working as a RN, am 53 yrs old, and am still paying off school loans.
Congrats to your son! College is overrated 👍🏻
very good. Decades ago, I got a liberal arts college degree. Went to vo-tech for HVAC-R. Much better paying jobs came my way because of the learning curve. Tell sonny to get his Boiler Operators license too. More bases covered, employers love it.
@@chadhewitt5650 so when you need a doctor, you're going to the one who didn't attend college?
😊 and 😢
@@RobertMJohnson• I wouldn't...I will go to 10 "bad" Dentists, before I'd go to one supposedly "good Doctor. They've tried to kill me since the day of my birth: dislocated my shoulder when I was born. Nicked an artery when I had my tonsils out at age 6.
At 31, hysterectomy, without hormone replacement after taking uterus and half an ovary = 10 years of severe migraines followed.
When the Coof hit, I knew (from school) about Tuskegee and thalidomide, and said, "NOPE, NO WAY, AND NO THANKS!"
But that's just me : you do you!
My boys went into college Christians and graduated socialist. They have been out of college now 5 years and are starting to come back to their roots and realize how much "woke" culture college forced on them.
Weird. I went to a college and I came out with a STEM degree and am making a good living. Must have been a unique college.
Evangelicals??
@@rc8929Your case is different. You went into STEM. You guys aren’t focused on many things outside of that. If you’re outside of that then yes you will experience some form of indoctrination. I can say this from experience as someone who graduated in 2019. I myself had one class that was semi woke but not quite and that was a little after Trump got elected. Most of my classes were okay except for that one. I’m sure a lot has changed after 2020.
@@rc8929 100k isnt what it used to be. have you been able to buy a home?
@@trollpolice 100K is the new average wage there about when living in Toronto Canada. Our housing is all sorts of messed up.
Came out of the military recently and am considering going to school with the GI Bill for IT Management and then for a Cyber masters with WGU.
There's a lot of back and forth on whether you should go to school. If you have it paid for, I see no problem in going for it as there's systems in place already laid out for you and as a military member you already have some workforce experience in government jobs. I am also staying with my parents while I do this so I don't really have to worry about high rent costs
If I was fresh out of high-school with no "parents paid my college" money, I think the worst decision is to pull a loan while not even having a good track of work experience or having savings saved up. Instead, see if you can join a good branch of the military aka airforce, coast guard, OR consider trades. When you mature a bit more mentally you can properly decide what you want to spend thousands of dollars on to further your education
I’ve had a long career in Silicon Valley, helping the enormous evolution of the Internet and AI. If I were to do it all over again, I’m not sure college is a slam dunk anymore.
I know you mentioned that the GI bill will pay which is great. However, there’s your time and effort which are more valuable now. With leading edge technologies outpacing the university system…I see your ROI seriously in the red time wise. Yes even with technical degrees in computer science and EE. These college programs simply can’t
keep up with the market. The other issue is that the same content is taught pretty much for free on the Internet and TH-cam.
If I were you I’d assess:
1. Your career path. If it’s the DOD cybersecurity, then there’s more reason for the college pedigree (or more likelihood in its relevance)
2. Inventory your current skills at the moment. Take assessment tests in the effort to save class time.
3. Taking college certificate programs to engage in the job force as well as leveraging requirements for additional programs/ credits.
We’ve become a tech society that demands change in features quickly. The university system is not tooled to react. Since 1980 the cost of living has increased 270%, yet costs of college has gone up 1200%. Your costs are nil but the administration fat system itself is what’s the concern.
@@1guitar12 Nailed it! Bottom line: get skills you can turn into Federal Reserve Notes.
@@1guitar12 Spot on assessment.
However, there are certain tech universities with innovation centers that cater to private-sector partnerships. In such places, top undergrads do get exposed to specialized cutting-edge tech, IF they have the right mentors.
I currently work in a B2B software company based in Switzerland. We do certain work in partnership with a company based out of a local (top) university's innovation park. I understand that some of the joint dev on their side is farmed out to students working under the tutelage of the lead developer (PhD/Professor) and head of that small company.
The development work is very specialized/niche (digital authentication) and I would imagine that the head of that company has the advantages of picking from the cream of the crop and at relatively competitive costs.
For certain, if I were to enter university in these times I would not go for a general degree, but specialize in an area of imminent growth/opportunity that I would have a passion/interest to pursue long-term...then go for MEANINGNFUL internships throughout my studies, to both gain specialized knowledge and build a network right out of the gate.
You can spend your GI Bill overseas. Go to Asia. Let the USA Pay for an overseas school. It's cheaper, better education and you get to see the world on Uncle Sam's dime.
Go into IT bro… the homie is making like 120k+ from home, doesn’t know coding, just sequel, and he’s border line retarded 😂
This is my new favorite podcast, you guys rock💪
I'm 53 with a bachelor's and master's degree. Many of my schoolmates who went into skilled trades are way ahead of me in retirement goals. Some are even retiring in the next three years. My sons are going skilled trades route. I am happy for them.
The problem is that college was never supposed to be for anyone and everyone. Then , the myth about a degree being the only way you have success in life was pushed. Now, since that has turned out to be BS, the degree is losing value to society. There are plenty of other vocations to pursue that offers a great life without that degree.
My whole life growing up I was pushed to go to college. School had never really resonated with me in that way but I was basically forced to go.
My dad didn’t give me a choice. Even my mom said to me how she thought I wasn’t really sold on college.
Sadly kids will do things to even make their parents proud of them. My parents just weren’t informed at the time and thought college was the answer to a better life. But its not for everyone and its not guaranteed to give you a better live. Most people I know don’t even use their degree
It works if only the top 10% go and 2/3 flunk out.
when 90% of teens attend and everyone passes, its just a participation trophy
@@DG-mk7kd Honestly, it doesn't seem to matter much.
The honours course (Software Engineering) I went to via an accredited Uni in the UK had a massive failure rate.
A bachelor's degree is just a ticket to get your foot in the door or apply for work VISAs.
Work experience is probably better if it's an either/or thing.
Ideally, you want both, IF the jobs requiring the degree have a high average starting salary for fresh graduates.
There is some value in the maths/computing heavy stuff, but even then, the value was the piece of paper I got from a course known for a relatively high dropout & failure rate.
The actual knowledge I use on the job on a day-to-day basis is stuff I picked up _outside_ the course itself.
Employers are getting savvier about this stuff and placing less and less value on a degree.
Unless we're talking something like a STEM-related PhD from a well-known college, which seems to be what a bachelor's degree used to be before credential inflation (as far as industry employers are concerned).
Very questionable return on value when you consider what "other stuff" you can do with that money and time.
Unless the government foots the bill for _only_ that and not the "other stuff"...
My son and I went to our local golf course to practice. My son was friendly with one of the golf course cart girls whom we struck up a conversation about education. My son is half way through his engineering program and the girl said she finished up her Masters last year at USC. At first I was impressed, then I asked her what she got her Masters in. She proudly looked at me and said “ Indian Studies”. I then asked where that degree might take her and she said she has been looking for a career in her field but is finding it extremely hard. Then she said that’s why she has this job but is still looking. I finally asked how long has she been looking for a job her response….” Since I graduated “. So, a Masters from USC and still cannot find a job……mommy and daddy’s money wasted on a absolutely useless degree
masters degrees in the humanities are paid for/subsidized for the university, so she has no loans
if she finds a rich husband, she will be ok.
@@amandafuriasse4683yes maybe for the masters. But undergrad is still a cost.
We need to get rid of useless degrees in college
@@thethinkingmansgame5050 like mbas?! MBAs carry the most debt and are the most likely to be delinquent on their loans
My kid will go to a trade school or military. Colleges are a cesspool that costs you tens of thousands of dollars. I'm breaking that cycle.
Why not let them have the freedom to decide their own career?
I'm the son of an immigrant and I have a degree. We esteem college education very highly
Let your kid decide. Don’t be a dumb and selfish parent
Military. Dont waste the life of your kid. It will be sent to fight a war for the corrupt elites or Israel somewhere in the Near East
@@errolm8313 Everyone did; Everyone got a degree; The government screwed up the finances; and the degrees are being handed out to morons. So sure, could be good... Even you just refer to it as "a degree". The is a vast range as to what that means.
I tried to talk my grandson from going to college. Hes taking business. I PRAY 🙏🏽 He stays the smart, sweet young man he is 🤞🏽
Business is the best route besides finance if going to school.
@@_Delta_P_ No its not and STEM isn't either. Its Doctor or Lawyer or pack it up and go home.
I know families who had their daughters travel to Italy & take online classes in place of 1st year at a US college. Instead of party time & scary sex escapades, their daughters matured, experienced other cultures & established a solid GPA for going forward if that's what they wished.
This applies to the .1 percent who can afford to send their kids off to Italy
You do know most college kids don't party right?
Sending daughters to college is a mistake. They need to be attached to a stable man while they're young.
I learned that a lot of people go to the Philippines for the same thing. $600 for an entire semester. I wish I had the knowledge and foresight to see this. It’s up to me as a parent to teach my children the options laid out for them.
That Italian culture doesn't work and stay home with their parents in a miserable economy!!
My problem is with the runaway debt game everybody is conned into playing. To be given a 6 digit loan as a teenager with no job, no credit, and no promise that you’ll ever pay it back..
What other $100,000 loan gets green-lit to someone with those credentials? Hey, I have no credit, no job, don’t know what interest is, and I’m not sure how I’m gonna pay you back but can I have $100k? The only time that flies is when it’s a teenager. That stinks like corruption.
Trade school > indoctrination aka college
Preach it
Trade schools just lead to you getting exploited with labor that breaks your body over 20 to 30 years as well as a horrible work life balance. Unless unions become more prominent, the blue collar trades will keep shrinking.
I met a mobile key maker who has multiple key trucks, makes over 1 mil a year and has 8 houses recently after losing my key. If I knew this I would of started off as a key maker rather than my useless degree.
Not so fast. There are many degrees that are still relevant (nursing, compsci, stats, etc.). Don't be so quick to discard important institutions.
STEM DEGREES/Jobs > TRADE SCHOOL/Jobs
Do you want to roll out of bed, sit on a computer in your own home in air-conditioning, and make 100k or do you want to deal with brutal labor, work in summer heat, winter cold outside doing trade work for 100k.
Sure, the mental labor/toil and stress in stem fields is usually much higher than in trades, but ill take that anyday over commuting and slaving on a construction site or fab shop.
Im a former HVAC guy turned software engineer. There are many afordable high ROI STEM degrees available if you have the discinline to finish and apply yourself academically.
@@BiggestArmInWestLinnOregon there’s a few that work but other than that college is a joke
I had great grades and enjoyed working with my hands, i.e. auto shop, wood shop, metal shop, electronics, etc. at
my high school . My counselor never mentioned trade schools. If I could go back, HVAC, plumbing, welder, electrician, elevator repair would have been a great choice. Even mortuary school, dead people don’t complain!! I also would have liked to serve in armed forces and been a Diesel engine or Jet Engine mechanic. When you are young, 4 year commitment seems like a lifetime!!
I'm 51 and encouraged my 2 oldest children to go to college and they did. My youngest daughter opted for military first and I think she made the best decision. College today is very different from when I attended.
the USA military has changed for the worse as well. Too many politicians in uniform.
@@bradlong7941 she is at least learning to repair aircraft. That translates to a good civilian trade.
No it isn't. I'm also 51, and my kids are in college, and their college is pretty much exactly how mine was. The only difference is, there's more things being taught, and more options, but nothing prevents you from getting a STEM, Law, medical, or other hard-core degree. What's happening now is that the parents raising their kids, usually white parents (not Asians), tend to create lazy kids who want an easy degree, and that's why you see them going into Sociology at a "party school".
I spent my youth with my grandfather who was an engineer, and we built things together. I did the same thing with my kids, and they have a passion for making. That translates into degrees that create things.
The problem isn't the colleges, it's what kids that the Baby Boomers created who want an easy way out.
Honestly, military is good for discipline and leadership, but terrible for useful skills, unless you think doing maintenance on weapons systems is going to get you a good job at a manufacturer. I had a friend who learned to repair radar systems in the Navy. When he got out, he couldn't get a job anywhere, except maintenance at the airport.
By contrast, someone I know who went to college and took electrical and radio engineering, now works for the American branch of a Chinese design firm, and he *designs* the radar systems which are sold to the military. He makes 10x what my ex-Naval radar maintenance friend makes.
women in the military, christ almighty
@@johndrumpf9888the military does teach you useful skills. I got my LPN ( Licensed Practical Nurse) through the army. They paid me to go to AIT. MOS 68C. After one year at 20 years old I was a nurse. Made it much cheaper and easier to go from LPN to RN as well.
I’m in my 30’s and I can think of literally 1 friend who college ended up being worth it in hindsight. We all went to college, so that’s not a good batting average.
Unless you are from a wealthy family or you are going into a highly specific and specialized field you should go to Community College and get a two year degree. You can easily work your way through with no debt and gain some base skills beyond high school.
If you want to continue your education after that, you just saved two years of debt and are older and more mentally ready for what you want your career to be.
Working in the education space.. a lot of it is lack of communication, inefficiency with onboarding students and making sure they have the guidance in what they are doing development wise with classes they are taking
Rethinking college is fine. The problem is that a vast majority of people don't have a good alternative, and they end up struggling to make ends meet. There's a reason the average income for those who have a college degree remains higher, compared to those who don't have a college degree.
That income difference is more a reflection of the individual rather than the degree. Someone with the aptitude to finish a bachelor's degree in a true discipline (math, science, finance, etc) is likely someone who will do well regardless of a degree. A career in the skilled trades (carpentry, welding, plumbing, electrical) is usually more financially rewarding than a career that one would be qualified for with a degree in humanities, gender studies, etc. without all the debt. Not all college degrees are the same. A degree in mechanical engineering is far more valuable in the market place than a degree in "ethnic studies". That "study" you are quoting doesn't draw a distinction among the types of degrees. It puts all bachelor's degrees into a single bucket with the average lifetime earnings being skewed higher by the degrees with actual value such as STEM. College is not the best path for everyone, and not everyone is qualified to go to college. Unfortunately, once college became a "right", universities had to offer all of the useless degrees in fields of study that have little value in the market place just so everyone could potentially achieve a "degree". Of course, the universities benefit by charging an astronomical amount for the useless degree, hence you have graduates who can't pay back their loans. The question is: why are universities able to charge so much for a degree that is obviously not worth the price? Because of the false belief that a college degree means higher career earnings for everyone across the board. Not even remotely true.
@@KayFabe87 Firstly, I'm not referring to a "study"; this information is readily accessible online and is consistent across regions and various subgroups (race, gender, etc.). This is data that is collected regularly as part of the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics, and several other institutions that observe demographic trends.
Second, it seems like you're differentiating based on context and discipline. I don't disagree with your larger point that "it depends", since that is the case for nearly everything in the world. My point is that, if we are talking about the vast majority of people who are - by definition - average, then pursuing a degree is likely to be more beneficial to your annual income than working in a field that is predominantly comprised of high school graduates (which TEND to garner less income on average). Obviously discipline matters, but again, I was not speaking to that point. The national average and median across the board indicate that having a degree is associated with higher income, regardless of the discipline.
We can get into the nuances if you'd like, but it seems moot since context always matters. Regardless, the stats are what they are. What people choose to do with it is up to them, and I fully support them as long as they hold themselves accountable for the consequences of their decisions.
Been a butcher for 25 years ... Bought a small farm in north FL... Been able to feed my family very well .Been able to put a roof over their heads and clothes on there back ... Zero debt... Zero help from a bank ... The trades run the world ... The farmer is the most important worker on the planet and are treated like shit .... They feed you clothe you and grow all the grains and fruits for all the booze and grow all the weed that is smoked !!! Take that all away and see what happens ...
I’m happy I majored in philosophy then got a JD, now I am a lawyer helping veterans
Good for you. Presumably you are smart. University was not designed for the intellectually challenged masses that now attend.
How much do u make doing that and where do u work/live? Also how much did u spend on your education.
@@christosphotiou3896 100k is middle class. But if u are smart with your money u can be financially free sooner than a lot of ppl. Most ppl are very financial unintelligent. Why Kenya tho? Can’t imagine it’s very nice there?…
University delays growing up plain and simple four years of your life. We are sitting on a padded university where you’re still visiting mom and dad for holidays. I traveled the world many times by then. Owned homes, seen everything! Why would someone waster most energetic years in a classroom dumb?
I knew college was a joke when the transfer office told me all the credits i took past 3 years didnt count in the new school and id had to take them over, AFTER selling it to students that those general credits count in every suny college. And after my music teacher wasted a full semester talking about his favorite 70s bands instead of teaching us how to mix and master like the description of the course said. When we asked him about it. This mofo said " oh that's next semester" so i learned it from youtube in a week.
A similar thing happened to me. I stopped going as a result of it. I just felt burned that they advised me to take some of these classes that no longer transferred over in the subsequent year.
my last straw was when i asked if id be charged if the financial aid didnt go through and i kept going to classes for 2 weeks. They said youll be fine. Then 2 weeks later when financial aid didnt get approved i cancel the classes. I get a bill in the mail for 1300 dollars for 2 weeks of class. i was like man FUCK THIS SCHOOL and stopped all together. The best decision i have made so far@@trademisconception9816
The admissions department and professors all promised a high payoff. After receiving a master’s degree with honors, I’ve noticed my friends who went to trade school are getting paid 2-3x what I’m offered for much more advanced and technical work with a higher risk factor. The risk to reward ratio for college is crap. (my degrees are in science and business, not some fluffy nonsense like gender studies or art)
When you look at college education, its all about ROI. The average joe with a stem or nursing degree will out earn most degreeless "entrepenuers" or trades people. All while avoiding physical hazards in trades and the increased financial risks of "euntrepenuership".
The elephant in the room that virtually nobody talks about is the loss of social status and mating opportunities. The research unequivocally states that women with a college degree do not want to date men without one.
Trades aren't as great when you're approaching 40 and your body starts to break down. Hell, when I was getting my STEM degree we had many "leftover" students in my class - guys 30-40 years old who went back to finish their degree. The blue collar guys wanted to leave the trades, the white collar ones were sick of being denied raises and promotions.
@@kms_34234 I can see that. Maybe there is a "status" element to intelligence or at least the percieved intelligence of STEM graduate. There are dumb and brilliant people on both sides of the arguement. I believe any decent person can find a lifetime partner if they approach it organically and have reasonable social circles.
Bingo!
. I know folks where college experience paid off and also didnt. Depends on what you wanna do. Degrees open doors but they arent required to make it in life.
STEM should be the only thing you should be going to college for
Accounting, finance, nursing, law, medical school, and many others are high ROI NON-Stem degrees to look into.
Sure if your colleges are crappy. Which seems to be typical these days. I would be very worried about taking arts at most colleges. But there are still good colleges out there, and if you are willing to put the work in, and your marks are in the top 3% it can be very worthwhile, financially, and practically.
Look at this video. Is it STEM, are we learning to code? Most of what PBD gets into is stuff you learn in an arts degree. And as good as he is, the gaps show.
According to Malcolm Gladwell, there is a huge dropout rate in STEM, and having talked to HS and Uni people about it. It is intentional. First they want to clear out the dross who don't belong, by making it into a crazy fight, and they also are all about how great they are to have survived it. I found a lot of inconsistent and self indulgent behaviour that my kids were exposed to. They had all the scholarships, and depended on them, while their teachers couldn't count, and made bad exams. Very tough when you are depending on actual performance based measures for your tuition.
Lots of suicides also.
As a teenager, I had no idea what I wanted to do. My dad had worked at NC State University in Raleigh NC in a shop where architecture and product design students could build models of their designs. I had thought that I wanted to go there for a time. But as a Junior in hs, I thought a lot about it and I just didn’t really have an idea what I wanted to do, so I decided to go in the army. A knee injury right at the end of hs and a subsequent surgery delayed it for a year. The injury reared its ugly head during bt so That ended my career in the army. I went to tech school and became a Paramedic. At 52 , I have changed careers a couple of times over the years but ended up going back to tech school again and have been a welder for over 20 years. My dad retired after 36 years and called universities “the great dumbing down of America “. He was right.
College is for dopes!
Unless you are going to become a specialist, a doctor, lawyer (like we need more of those) or engineer, most likely college isn't for you. Spend those valuable years starting an online business, getting sales training, because a great deal of life is learning how to sell, and figuring out what you are here to do.
That's part of the problem. Everyone starting a business not knowing business or what they want to sell. But they still pull loans. Put up a poor website offering something like coffee. Same coffee a million others are selling just a different name. That's just an example. Then ppl owe money from a young age for something that failed because they didn't have guidance.
30 years ago, I was speaking with a sales engineer who asked what I'd like to do next. I said, "I think I'd like to go to business school and start a business...
He asked me, "How much is the tuition?" "Maybe $20K/year." I replied.
He said, "Better idea... Take that $80K you were going to spend on that degree and just start a business. If you're seriously trying to start a business and do your due diligence, you'll learn way more and in a much shorter time frame than listening to someone pushing some outmoded 'Widget Factory' business model."
@@LysisZero Guess what? The faculty in college aren't any better. Those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach. You learn by doing, in this life. Most great businessmen didn't get there using college textbooks. they got to work on their dreams, and they figured it out just fine.
College is for smart people to use naive people as a conduit to get government money. Period.
Dang no wonder there's a teacher shortage
Great debate love watching your shows from England
The movie :" Barbie" is the best representation of college life.
The end of the video nails it. Pretty much everyone these days either name their price for their work, or are complete wagees. Very few professions settle into a comfortable, 3 bed 2 bath kind of existence.
There is no such thing as passive education. If you are 18 and you dont know what you want to do Go to the library and start reading or start traveling. Dont waste your parents money or make yourself a slave if you dont even have the willpower to invest in what you want to learn. If it takes you 1 year to figure that out its better than $250k of passive education debt...
Couldn’t agree more. The idea that college should be your first move the SECOND u graduate HS is a mistake. College should be looked at as more of a last resort. Wait till your older like 20-25 if there something you want to actually pursue at a college.
I value general knowledge. The problem is employers do not care.
Most graduates end up working in a field where their Degrees is USELESS!
I think it should be illegal to ask for a degree when it doesn't apply, though it is hard to know when that would be since, even for dolts a degree probably ads something.
Then that's being irresponsible and not choosing a career before a college degree also community colleges are lot cheaper to attend than top 10 colleges in any state.
Companies need to stop including college degrees as a job requirement.
I went and completed my degrees after whistleblowing because I could afford to go as I qualified for the Pell Grant.
As an adult they tried to bully me in ways that I could handle because I'd seen worse, but if I were the parent of a freshman and they'd done this to my child I would have already sued them , I have lawyers offer to take my case and am still considering it.
So be the brave whistleblower with proofs.
PBD-- would love to hear you talk more about the middle class directly in your podcast. Lots of talk on politics these days. Cheers
Less people going to college then the price of college should go down and the value of a college degree for all those with one will go up. Sounds good to me!
My tenants are all college material. Most of them have deferred college loans that were never paid back. I have a high school diploma, most of college grads who residing in my rentals have master's degrees in humanities, liberal arts, English, broadcasting, Education and Transgender studies. combined loans totaled over a few million dollars.
Colleges fell apart in the late 70s. They started creating giant, bloated bureaucracies, top heavy with dead weight overhead administrators that did/do nothing but “fundraise” and solicit money. Additionally, the teaching staff stopped GAS and instead pushed the woke agenda because, and I didn’t coin the phrase, “Those that can’t, teach”. The schools passed on their exorbitant costs to the students in the form of tuition and the loan forgiveness debacle is to get the little foot soldiers to fall in line with the plan.
I love how the youngsters fall for the "student loan forgiveness" line...
Every. Single. Time!
NOTHING IS "FREE"
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Exactly, well said
@@MagesseT1 unfortunately it’s the blue collar men earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year keeping all this shit called the civilised world running that are paying for the worthless college graduates that need welfare in whatever’s being offered to them.
BTW in my manufacturing job that enabled me to learn other skills too. I can fix vehicles, spray paint a car, operate hand tools and machinery, build furniture, decorate a home, lay paving, build a wall etc etc. Practical work gives you cross over skills that can keep you employed with higher earning potential. Some degree courses today are so darn impractical it renders young people impractical to the point they become dependent on others even in simple work like fixing a door handle or stopping a dripping faucet! But they can write a 5,000 essay! Fucking useless if your roof is leaking.
Hard to believe anybody would go to college anymore except for very few professions they might have a passion for… brain surgery etc
My parents always told me to only go to college for STEM or business. Dad was computer science, mom was accounting.
I would say business degrees are useless. The only worthwhile degrees are STEM.
"Well, the World needs ditch diggers to." ~ Judge Smells
Yo Swanson....there isn't a job market for 80% of college graduates.
So, why do they keep doing what they're doing? Simple: Get that guaranteed, can't be dismissed loan money. The suckers won't find out until it's WAY too late.
College has become a racket for people who claim to despise Capitalism to capitalize on the ignorance of well meaning, trusting kids and families.
A.I. is going to be the Nail In The Coffin for the remaining 20%.
Part of me is so sad about it. Some of my best lifelong friends came out of college 25 years ago. But I will not pay for a crap education. My kids might go but most likely will not. I’d rather buy then a house and let them live with me for 1 or 2 years of a trade school…..or start a family farm business (one of our ideas) and have them learn skills that would make the business even better. Then they can build houses on the property!
My trade school loans gave me problems even with good paying jobs. I can’t imagine someone who can’t find employment or migrants coming to the US and sending their kids by default
I could feel the social shame when i dropped out of college. Eventually i grew into achieving what i could never imagine. I support myself through art and am happier than ever could be being a software engineer behind a computer coding. It may not be the same money but im glad i didn’t follow through with college. Its not for everyone people gotta figure out what makes them happy everyday and what they would wanna do everyday and meet life halfway.
As an employer, I can speak from personal experience in saying that recent college graduates are absolutely worthless employees. They have no useful skills, no work ethic, and a massive victim mentality. I’m to the point where having a college degree is more of a negative than a positive in applicants. I’d much rather higher a kid right out of high school with ambition and a willingness to learn the business.
I have seen the exact same thing. It has reached a point where I refuse to hire anyone under the age of 35. Many kids right out of high school have that same victim mentality. The indoctrination has spread all the way down to K-12.
Problem is your HR department says otherwise, same with Elon Musk's.
Some if not most colleges for specific fields, you're not even guaranteed to get into. After doing a year of GE courses, to actually be accepted into whatever field of study as a career, its like a raffle or lottery, they'll only pick 60 out of 200 people then you'll just wasted a yr for nothing, and placed on s wait list for next semesters' lottery pick. Why would I waste time and money on a system like that?
College is for the experience not ‘a job’. I had a brilliant time in college but it didn’t help me make any money - that’s something I figured out on my own…and I don’t regret going to college at all. The experience is everything and for me was worth the money.
Yeah it’s definitely to meet and network with those future leaders in your potential field of expertise
@@madmedic7840 devious 😂
There's a direct correlation with government involvement and prices skyrocketing - college, healthcare, automobiles, and practically most industries now. There's no "free market".
When I went to college you would watch a huge group drop every semester right after financial aid came out. They took out student loans and got grants then just kept the money and never looked back. My wife has a bachelor's in Environmental science and a minor in chemistry. She current works for the Post Office and can't find a job in her desired field. Her parents paid a ton of money for that education
There were so many people in college who on the first day of class when introducing themselves said their major was Environmental Science. So sad that so many people were conned by colleges & advisers.
@@JNYC-gb1pp She wanted to do wildlife biology or something for the department of wildlife, but you basically need 2 yrs work experience and fresh out of college you can only get that via volunteering basically. They don't tell you that in college lol.
@@jesselost05420Interships are the new entry level job. IF you don't do interships before graduating college. That college degree is worthless to employers.
@@davidcarvajal5739 Yeah she did an internship, still has issues. Probably have to move from Oregon, which will not hurt my feelings LOL.
@@davidcarvajal5739 mind you the good internships are highly competitive and politics involved same as a highly coveted position in corporate America. It starts then.
Love your videos
It doesn’t make sense to give high paying position to entitled people that feel like they deserve it because they went to school. Vs someone that works for it day in day out
Education is great, but these prices are making it a questionable investment. Some of these pre-requisites and electives are pointless. I have nothing against history or psychology or whatever, but if you're going to school for Engineering, then those courses are irrelevant. You can remove probably a dozen courses and save students time and money, but then there's issues with accreditation. I am a college drop out with no student loans and I make $150k a year, I have 2 multi family properties, I just got a big raise and I work on billion dollar construction projects. Too many people were brainwashed to believe that a degree equals success.
If you aren't doing something complicated in college like advanced math or science, there's no point. You need training or knowledge that 99% of people or more have zero grasp of, not a liberal arts degree
But think how enlightened you will be while stocking shelves or flipping burgers with that liberal arts degree. 😎
A liberal arts degree is a great minor to have or dual major. Liberal Arts degrees like Linguistics, for example are extremely powerful when paired with Machine Learning. Indeed, these days at elite schools, people are pairing machine learning with all kinds of artistic oriented degrees. Philosophy is also an outstanding mind sharping minor to have.
The right wing in this country wants to stick its head in the sand. We can't have a world that's only vocation, and no art.
@@johndrumpf9888 😄 OMG. Sign me up for that.
liberal arts degree could be pre-law, pre-med, pre-nurse.
I skipped getting a Computer Science degree and instead became a self-taught Web Developer. I make a six-figure income and work remotely. ZERO DEBT.
I graduated from college with a Poli Sci degree in a little over the year I tripled my salary
I advocate for student loan forgiveness because the damage had already been done when they print out the money. Why should we pay the loan + interest back when it was imaginary money to begin with?
DO NOT BOTHER GOING TO COLLEGE. I attended at 25 graduated at 30. It took me an extra year because I worked fulltime. I thought it would boost my earning potential. I was offered a lower wage with my degree than I make without my degree because they considered me as a 20 year old kid with no experience although I am 30 and working since 15 with a permit. So, its been 3 years after graduation and I have never worked in my field of study because I would cut my pay in half and be unable to continue supporting my family and make rent. College is total bullshit when it comes to increasing earning potential. I got a stem degree too.
the plumbing analogy was pretty good
I mean Harvard can't tell the difference between a man or a woman, and tell men they can test feed.
Who would pay for those gems?
"A Fool and his money..."
Thank you Team PBD
I joined the military so the Government would pay for my education. Thank God for that because my education was awesome and qualified me over many others that didn't go to college. I got my degree in Business Administration.
I did the same and was able to milk the government for well over 100k in funding and still have entitlements left to get more money. Disliked nearly every minute of the military ..but When I hear these issues I’m
Thankful for it overall .
@@ljthirtyfiver Joining the Army in 1974 was the best thing I've ever done in my life.
The real problem with the middle class is that companies aren’t paying what they should and not really keeping up with inflation. The way this economy is set is for people to spend. The average salary is barely enough to get by. This is not the 80’s and 90’s anymore. 50k/60k a year is not a lot of money anymore. This is especially true in the past 5 years. I’m not saying you can’t live off that amount, I’m just saying it’s not that much like it use to be 30 years ago. Look at entry level housing in most desirable areas where there are jobs and entertainment in the US. It either doesn’t exist or it’s starting around 400k. By the time you have kids, one parent will need to stay at home so your living off of 60k. Even at 80k, you start to wonder was school worth it because them bills are killing you and your still paying those student loans. I won’t get better because AI about to throw a wrench into the game!
You pay $80,000 for college tuition and what do you get with that? Pretty much teaching you on how to use they/them
Fancy Diploma.
It wasn't anywhere near that for the state school I went to.
It was like $3,800 a semester and I had the Pell Grant.
It was cheap.
It only works if you’re schooling to become a doctor nurse engineer pilot etc, as those are high paying careers with job security.
Back when my dad, went to Uni in the Uk, only 3% went, and in my dad's case he was so good the major city he grew up in, made a double scholarship for him to send him to a top college. These are the people who made the reputation for a university education as something that would guarantee you a job, and a purpose.
Today, 50% of the UK pop went to college a few years back. And there is a huge bias towards women enrolling. Basically we are sending women to college whose IQ is at the 33rd percentile. That is getting to the point where one has trouble tying one's shoes. If only women went to college, and the 50% level persists, that would mean every woman, including the stupidest women in society, literally, were trying to cut it at University, which is crazy.
University isn't supposed to be daycare. Garbage in, garbage out.
I dropped out of high school in the 12th grade because I wasn’t going to graduate so I wasn’t about to pay tens of thousands to go through something I’d hate. Plus I don’t want a desk job even if it pays a lot.
I currently have an MBA and am proud of that - however I literally have coworkers who never even went to college doing the same job I do.
Several years ago when I started my journey I thought college = success, but honestly that’s just not the case in the real world.
In todays world you have UPS Drivers delivering packages for 100 grand a year and you can go into a trade doing Plumbing / HVAC / Electrical etc and make $$$, even starting your own business doing that.
Times are changing and I do not believe that the debt incurred is worth it anymore
Bruh I was in high school telling people that the things they were going to college to do wasn't smart odds for future jobs. That was 9 years ago 😂
Man, this is soooo deep!
I graduated in 2005. I struggled to get a job in my field in theatre arts. I know. Wrong major. No one hired me because of no experience. Got stuck doing customer service🙄
The world has changed so think about it.
Know your kids talents and passion, don’t automatically push college
Peace
The only reason there isn't a negotiation or an "unreasonable" price is that you aren't willing to experience any temporary discomfort or delayed gratification. When people don't have money to burn prices tend to drop in order to reach people where they're at. If you were a person wasn't rolling in cash (the way most people are), your repair would be delayed and likely done on your own.
I completed 2 years of college for basically IT training, it did land me a job that I grew to hate. I'm 30 years old and I'm just happy my primary source of income meets my mortgage and expenses at 40 hours a week. I work part time retail for extra money and do ride shares. I don't know what I want to do with my life, it's scary. College is a huge liability and a huge risk for normal people. I would recommend a college education to a 17 year old in high school who's excelling in AP courses and chooses a profession like robotics or nuclear engineering.
Well when my parents went to college the cost vs Income was an easy decision. Today the Cost vs Income is disproportional. So yeah even the grandparents are looking at the ROI and rethinking if it’s a good deal.
Hospitals charge high, because the insurance companies don’t pay. Insurance companies want us to take care of patients for free. And the few times we do get paid we have to get paid a lot to make up for the loss
Here in the UK everyone goes to Uni now. Delaying life is the only thing it's promoting. Its scary how flattery is driving everything. No jobs exist for all these certificate waving kids... Its a scam. Get kids into making fixing and learning about how money is created. The University of life is the most valuable lesson. The more they experience they get sets them up for life. Its all got to change.
As someone currently in college, it is everything I knew it was before enrolling… A blatant scam to get a piece of paper that says you can do the job you’re already doing anyway. It’s disgusting man
Knowing everything I know now, I wouldn't go if I could do it again.
I got one of my kids in the Operating Engineers Apprenticeship program and my nephew in the Elevator Apprenticeship program. They're both very happy with how their careers and training are going. Trade school boys and girls.
so many people i know want to be in the elevator mechanic apprenticeship program, but they say it's notoriously hard to get into!
People are loosing interest because a whole generation has gone to college and found out the job they wanted and studied for is now in India or China; and we still have the debt of a promise not fulfilled. No merit, just greed and exploitation get you to the top. I’m not talking about basket weaving and liberal arts; I’m talking engineers/scientists/designers/etc…
Reminds me that - I don’t know why but lately - before I check the price on something I tell myself “if it’s under x amount I’ll buy it” - and THEN I’ll look at the price to see how much it is
Same here in Eastern Europe. But in a different angle.
All of our brightest in trades went to the west.
Who stayed here are the elders who stayed because they don't want to give up their house etc., or who want to capitalize the shortages.
If you are capable to handle a project you make a decent living. If you are the best in your trade in your area your phone explodes with job offers and you live like in Western Europe.
Trades usually worth more here than degrees.