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STAR TREK GENERATIONS (1994) was EPIC!! - Movie Reaction - FIRST TIME WATCHING
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I don’t see the hate for this one its so good
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Starring:
William Shatner, Patrick Stewert, Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner, LeVar Burton, Michael Dorn, Gates McFadden, and Marina Sirtis
Written by:
Ronald D. Moore, Brannon Braga, and Rick Berman
Directed by:
David Carson
Ok so this movie kinda rules! It has its problems but it was so much fun and the score, effects, and acting were all amazing! Kirk was such a welcome surprise and seeing that Enterprise crash was beautiful to watch
Thanks for watching! Have a great day! :)
I rewatched this in preparation for your reaction. I've come to the conclusion that this is one of the best looking, best produced, and best executed poorly written movie ever. It is entertaining, it's fun. Killing Kirk and the Enterprise-D were mistakes, and unnecessary. Still, it's a great ride. I never hated it, but I wish they'd done it differently.
The Constitution class enterprise refit in the movies is unquestionably the best ship of all time in sci fic.
Btw, Dr Soran is played by Malcolm McDowell. He voiced Varney in "Castlevania", Minister Hydan in "StarWars Rebels" and he also played Alex in "A Clockwork Orange"...that was in 1971 though.
@@tyranusfan I think this is the most perfect explanation for the way people feel towards this movie.
TNG the series had their finale in May 1994.
This movie came out in November 1994.
Paramount rushed this movie into production way too fast, but they were thinking to strike while TNG was still hot.
The result was this very fun but very poorly written movie.
When I first saw this movie, I loved it. But the plot holes did nag at me.
I went back to the theater and saw it again and loved it again, but was still troubled by the things that didn't make sense and what I also felt was the unnecessary destruction of the Enterprise - D.
When it came out on home video, I bought it, still loved it, still had my gripes.
Then over time it just seemed my gripes about the movie began to annoy me more and more. Then reviewers like Red Letter Media and Nostalgia Critic did their analyses of the film and pointed out a while lot more continuity errors (the Kurlan Naiskos statue being disregarded so carelessly) and stupid decisions the characters shouldn't have made.
That the movie was rushed so caused things like not having time to finish designing the planned new uniforms so they ended up switching back and forth between the TNG series uniforms and the DS9 uniforms. Within the movie, that was just another thing that made Starfleet look stupid.
Then the studio mandate that the Enterprise-D needed to be destroyed because it wasn't cinematic enough...that sucked! I would have loved the Enterprise- D to be the ship they had in the rest of the movies! Maybe refit somewhat like the original Enterprise was in the first movie.
But then I eventually made my peace with the movie...I still enjoy watching it, it's a fun ride, the Enterprise--B part at the beginning is an awesome scene, I get to see Kirk and Picard on screen together. I can let go everything that doesn't make sense because this movie is good enough in other ways. This is the Next Gen/Original Series crossover we got, even if it wasn't exactly what we wanted, I definitely would rather have this than nothing.
Forget the JJ movies, pure pish, not Trek at all.
I'm not ashamed to say this is one of my favorite movies of the franchise, despite the flaws you mentioned (especially involving Kirk's fate). Also, this is one of my favorite Trek scores, despite Dennis McCarthy's work being often unfairly maligned - probably because he was mostly known as a TV composer.
I have an interesting story about the music: I met McCarthy online many years ago on a film score forum or someplace like that. We exchanged a few messages when I told him that his ethereal choral cue for The Nexus was one of my favorite film score cues of all time. He said that particular piece of music held a very dear place in his heart. McCarthy was feeling very emotional the day that the Nexus music was to be recorded, because his father had just died. He put his heart and soul into conducting that cue, and then he noticed out of the corner of his eye that Patrick Stewart had come into the studio to hear the recording. Sir Patrick had apparently heard of McCarthy's loss, and was so moved by this beautiful, almost spiritual music that he was overwhelmed and began visibly crying. McCarthy said he always treasured that memory and that day, despite his grief - Stewart's empathy was quite a gift to him.
Fun personal fact. This movie was available for rental summer of 1995 but released for purchase on VHS in February 1996. For Christmas 1995, my aunt managed to convince a movie rental place to let her buy a copy so she could give it to me 2 months early as a present. My 7 year old self was beyond shocked when I opened it.
I feel like I remember at least one Star Trek film taking an eternity to come out to own. It might have been this one.
I remember going to blockbuster and the worker there could look up the current price for a movie and tell how far away it was from coming out to buy. One copy would be like $300-400 or something, and would drop down to 20-50 I think when closer to release. He of course could have been just feeding me bullshit but it felt on point for a couple movies that were taking their sweet time to come out to buy. Much longer than the average movie.
Love that, nice.
The loss of Robert and Rene hit Picard so hard, not just because of losing his family, but the impending end of his family line since he is the last male Picard.
😢 makes me cry when René says, "Someday I'll be heading out for my starship." 😭😭😭
Oh, something you might need to be aware of going forward! (No spoilers): Right after this movie, Worf transferred over to Deep Space Nine. There they had a little ship named USS Defiant. Worf usually commanded it for short missions.
Apparently Avert Brooks (Sisko, Wolf's new commander officer) Leaned over during the screening and said something like "I don't recall letting you borrow the Defiant Mr Wolf."
@@smith22041 No spoilers :)
He finally got to that episode.....
Even the "bad" Star Trek films are good. I enjoy this movie in many ways. You're in for a treat with the next one. :)
I always really liked Generations, although I understand some of the criticism. "First Contact" though is epic. Probably my favourite ST Movie together with Khan. I can't wait for Ollie's reaction.
For extra context, this film takes place some eight months after "All Good Things", whilst "First Contact" takes place around two years after Generations.
Star Trek is like pizza and sex: even when it's bad, it's good.
Bad? This is better than most ST movies.
Now THAT is how you plough a Starship into a planet … JJ Abrams only WISHES he could have done it this good … or first!
I saw this film when it came out at the cinema … blew my mind with the increased FX budget. Was on a high for a week after seeing it.
I remember watching those scenes in Beyond and thinking about this scene at the same time.
It's so good because they literally crashed a scale Saucer Section into a real, scaled down, mountain range/ valley.
I always assume people have seen the behind the scenes, but if not it's on YT. =)
"I don't think I've ever heard swearing in Star Trek"
The hell you have.
"Double dumb ass on YOU!" -Admiral Kirk - "The Voyage Home"
Swearing in Star Trek II "son of a bitch" anfd star trek III "Klingon b☆☆☆☆☆☆☆☆ killed my son"
Oh sh*t! - Data, Star Trek Generations
Kirk's death shows you can't always have a big dramatic thing, sometimes it goes quietly.
Yoda's death was quiet, and 1000 times better than this.
@@miller-joel the setup for Kirk's death was worse than Yoda's but the scene was better. Seeing Kirk die happy knowing that he made a difference and that the Enterprise will live on in good hands. Then the final oh my with the realisation that death has finally caught up with him as he accepts it. Really powerful scene as a long time trekie. Yoda's death is powerful and especially as a fan of the prequels hits quite hard but I feel more emotion from Kirk's final send-off than Yoda's
@@viking_2112 I still hate it. It's still a sh_t movie, so any death in it won't have the weight it would have in a good movie, either.
Bridge on the Captain!
Did you know that the reason Kirk says "oh my." Is because at that moment he was witnessing eternity and knowing he was truly going where he had never gone before
So I just want to put it out there for anyone interested. Shatner wrote multiple Star Trek Books after this movie. And they have audiobooks of them that are epic!! Ashes of Eden is the first book that picks up from where this movie ended. And Kirk is not done yet!!! The books he wrote are really good, but I loved the audiobooks because they have sound effects and everything and Shatner reads it to you. You will not be disappointed!!
They're great books even if they don't fit in with canon at all.
Aren't most of those books ghost written by someone else, not Shatner? 🤣
@@Ammeeeeeeer they are co-written by Gareth and Judith Reeve-Stevens, as I recall, but Shatner plots out each story and writes most of Kirk's dialogue.
Omg yes!
I read “The Return” when I was 12, which was 25 years ago. It gave me a much more satisfying end to Kirk’s story. It was the first “adult level” book I read and it made me love reading from there on out.
This is my favorite Star Trek movie even though many fans consider it cheesy. The scene where Picard learns of his brother's and nephew's death was always incredibly sad to me, but now that I'm an aunt myself it cuts even deeper. Also having turned 40 this year with no husband or family of my own in sight, I can relate to Picard better than I could when I first watched the movie as a teenager.
I'm in the same boat as you,sistah
If Picard had God in his life, he would've had the serenity to know that it doesn't matter whether or not our family lines continue in this temporary life. All that matters is our eternal salvation. And this is coming from someone who found it depressing as a teenager, learning of Picard's devastation at his family line coming to an end.
Cheesy? Best movie part in all the saga in my opinon is the one with the two captains. Amazing VFX, emotional moments, Guinan rules. Honesty, when Kirk saves Enterprise B, and also when he is in Nexus is so epic, and his acting is so good. OMG, I will never undestand why so much people can´t appreciate that. Still, I think the movie has a strong fanbase, people who even has it as its favourite. It´s not my case, but I place it 4th after TMP, FC and TUC. "Make the difference again". Best scene ever¡¡¡¡
@@STEJTHEGREATEST Well, you can't have salvation, without jeopardy, first though. Or strangely ignorant and badly made angels.
Still, I'll leave the issue aside, for now.
@@chrissonofpear1384 It'd probably be better if you left every issue aside, with the stupidity you spew.
Generations was very underappreciated back in the day, myself included. But it's grown a mich deserved level of appreciation and respect in recent times.
Anyway, PREPARE yourself. First Contact: The Best of Both Worlds, Part 3
That saucer section crash sequence is still the most epic scene I've ever seen in the cinema.
Yeah I was lucky enough to be at the premier and it still is amazing
You're going to LOVE the next one. Love your reviews. Thank you.
I adore this movie. Never got the hate. There's so much to love. The performances. The effects. The score. Data's emotion chip. Picard's loss. Kirk and Picard teaming up.
Kirks Death was tragic but if he was going to be killed off, I'm glad they did it the way they did. That look on his face when he decides to make that heroic leap across the broken bridge was truly Kirk doing what he's best at which is saving the day at the last minute. He truly died a hero.
Completely anticlimactic death for a legendary character.
@@gregsaum1701I politely disagree. He never believed in a No win scenario. It goes back to Wrath of Khan. He sure fire was not got to lose to Zoran. In that scenario Kirk did not lose. He still won.
@@davidward9737 I think it’s easy to justify it all anyone wants but at the end of the day, Kirk’s death was unnecessary and did nothing for the character or the franchise. Many fans, myself included, didn’t feel sad when he died. We felt cheated because he died senselessly and not by saving people HE knew or cared about.
@@gregsaum1701 he saved people on Veriden 6. He actually did make a difference.
@@davidward9737I didn’t say he didn’t. I just didn’t care about the people he saved. Even the writers know they screwed up.
The lighting in Generations doesn't get mentioned enough. It's amazing that to cover up the "cheapness" of the standing TV sets, they lit it all really moody and shadowy with amazing sunsets into Ten Forward, all the lighting during the Amagosa Star section. The lighting choices really give Generations a much more Romantic and melancholic feel that's amazing to look at. Same for the lighting in the Stellar Cartography room. The movie definitely has its flaws but I love so, so much about it.
The Star Trek fanfare heard during the christening ceremony of the Enterprise B is the most epic and triumphant version of the melody I have ever heard.
I think it’s a good movie too. I think the Kirk death scene literally destroyed some people though, and they harbor animosity towards the movie as a result.
The death scene was actually reshot. What made it into the movie is the second version. The first version was a really bad and arbitrary death and test audiences threatened to never watch Star Trek again.
The next movie is my favorite TNG movie and one of my all time favorite trek movies. It’s just so rewatchable. I’m looking forward to it.
The thing with Trek movies is what’s been called an “odd number curse.” 2, 4, 6, First Contact, etc are more highly regarded than 1, 3, 5, Generations, etc. Generations is also kind of dissed because of the way they handled Kirk’s demise. One of the jokes at the time was that he should have died on the bridge, not with the bridge on him (yeah, bridge, bridge, see what they did there?). Anywho, lots of flak over the means and the aftermath, like they were sweeping him out of the way to make room for TNG and not honoring him.
There are no bad Treks. Only better than the rest Treks.
Yes the hell there are bad treks this isn't one of them though it just wasn't as good as it could have been.
@@hayesc0 "I don't like it" does not equal "bad". And every trek can be enjoyable with context.
I disagree in terms of Star Trek V. Also, just because I laugh while watching Sub Rosa doesn't mean it's good xD
Star Trek Generations is a great movie, I actually own the hardcover novelization
@@MrTheSlimJim I was about to agree with OP as I have defended most Trek, but there are indefensible episodes. Sub Rosa, Code of Honor, Spock's Brain, Move Along Home, Threshold, Stardust City Rag all come to mind.
I think the deaths of his brother and nephew hit Picard different than any other death, because he always counted on them to keep his blood line going. So he never truly worried about finding love or family. And to suddenly lose them, just so tragic.
Your eyes didn't deceive you, you do know Soran. It's Alex from Clockwork Orange.
As for Kirk's death... I felt the same when I first saw the movie. I felt it should have been something epic like the Genesis wave, not falling from a bridge.
That said as I rewatched it the death scene grew on me. Maybe I would still have liked something epic better, but it is kind of a beautiful scene anyway. To the world he had been dead already. And now for once he was the hero nobody knows about, no fanfare, no parade or reward... Just doing what's right because it's right, and because he wanted to do it, even if nobody would ever know.
Kirk had been struggling with aging since the first movie. Not being able to pass the torch, not wanting to accept he grew older. Never leaving the spotlight. But finally it felt like he came to terms with his time coming to an end, and instead of dying on a chair in retirement he died doing what he loved.
It was... fun.
Well said.
He made a difference one last time, which is the only fitting ending for James Tiberius Kirk.
Soran is Malcolm McDowell, so yeah, he's had a number of recognizable roles. Fun fact, he's also the maternal uncle of Alexander Siddig (DS9's Julian Bashir), so Star Trek runs in the family.
MacCarthy's music for Kirk's death is heartbreaking.
The Enterprise was destroyed for a simple reason - the D was designed for the old 4:3 screen ratio. It gave them a reason to design a new ship for the big screen, and what a ship they built! She is a beauty!!!
The "oh my" line is less fear and more wonder. Kirk is an explorer and in that moment he realises he's crossing that Final Frontier (to the "Undiscovered Country from which no man returns" as Hamlet puts it)
Not so much the aspect ratio, surely. It was more that most, if not all, of the defects in the model and sets weren't discernible in the standard definition picture of TV. But on 35mm film, they could easily show up. (Or alternatively, you could say, they didn't need as much quality for TV.) I guess that's at least part of why they lit the sets a lot darker than in the series.
@@fllthdcrb the original ILM farpoint model got a huge makeover for the movie (as did the sets) and, as I understand it, they also created a CG version of the ship too for certain shots.
Paramount wanted the ship destroyed in favour of a newer, more cinematic design. The Galaxy class was designed to fit to a TV screen and not letterbox format.
But not as good as the refit original 1701.
@@shallowgal462 The Constitution refit will be a difficult ship to beat in looks. It's practically perfect.
@@wrorchestra1 The only thing I'd change would be to keep the old nacelles as they look in TOS remastered: spinning red-orange lights set in cylinders. But I find everything about the primary and secondary hulls of the refit as you do.
The reason the movie looks so good, lighting, tracking shots and other things is because they had Oscar nominated cinematographer John Alonzo, who worked on movies like Scarface and Chinatown. I love the look of this film especially the sunlight coming through the Enterprise's windows. He really made the Enterprise D a thing of beauty to behold.
The Kirk death scene still makes me tear up. The music, Shatner, Sir Stewarts reaction.... right in the feels man.
The next movie is a fan favorite and you'll get your wish about the Borg. I wouldn't call this movie bad regardless of what criticisms this entry gets it's a fun movie and a good time. Data is hilarious in this and the best scene with him is when he's begging for his life because he's never felt fear in his life. Also the scenes with Picard are very good because he is unsure about his performing his duty. The scenes with Kirk and Picard didn't happen as everyone hoped they would but who cares seeing together was awesome 🙂
The Enterprise itself well the D was one of the longest ships technically in the Federation. It was a gorgeous ship but as Picard says plenty of letters in the alphabet 🙂 Next up is First Contact and is widely regarded as the best Next Generation movie 🍿
When we saw this in the theater back in 1994, right at the blackout, when the planet is destroyed and everyone dies, there was this insane pause. I guess the projector was switching to the next film reel, I don't know, but it was several long seconds and we all started thinking "is...that the end of the movie?" 😄
Haha kinda like The Return of the King with Frodo and Sam awaiting their death in Mount Doom.
Omg, when I saw Halloween H20 in the theater, without being too specific for spoilers sake, at the end in the scene Jamie was driving the van, after a big moment the movie just stopped and went to a white screen or something for a few seconds. The entire theater was like "what you can't end it there!" My heart dropped.
After a moment some police officers entered and took like 2-3 kids out of the theater. I guess they snuck in or something. They started the movie up again, but man we all were surprised. Like it coulda been a good moment to cliffhanger to the next film maybe, but would have been a disappointing decision to end it at that moment.
In Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Kirk says he always knew he'd die alone... here, that's partially true, as Kirk was by himself in the Enterprise B, when the Nexus ribbon hit the ship and killed him. It's also not true, in the sense that Kirk emerges from the Nexus and dies with Picard at his side.
If you are going to react to more Star Trek, would recommend the following double features, which are organized both chronologically & thematically:
Datalore / The Measure of a Man
Yesterday's Enterprise / The Offspring
Brothers / I, Borg
DS9 Pilot: Emissary (1 & 2)
Time's Arrow 1 & 2
Relics / Tapestry
Descent 1 & 2
I always took Kirk's comment in ST:V as his way of saying he explicitly trusted Spock and Bones. It was an honest bonding moment with them, and not a literal that he would literally die alone.
Kirk's body gets left on a deserted planet, all alone on a hill.
It's not exactly that Captain Kirk didn't know if he had the power to help at the beginning. It's that he was trying not to undermine the new captain. It was really hard for him because his natural instinct is to take control of a situation. That's why he was half way standing up. That's why Scotty basically told him to sit down. And you said Kirk was reckless. What I always tell people who knew JJ Trek first is that Captain Kirk is a risk taker, but he's not reckless. I don't like JJ's portrayal of Kirk as reckless.
The USS Enterprise was a US navy ship launched in 1799 and lost in 1823, and is probably what the sailing ship (played by the Lady Washington, also seen in Pirates of the Caribbean) in the early scene is intended to portray. Gene Roddenberry had the excellent age-of-sail 'Horatio Hornblower' novels in mind as he created Star Trek (Kirk, like Hornblower, is very young for his rank), so there is a bit of Hornblower homage here.
You may like to know, that after losing Kirk in the maiden voyage, CPT Harriman rededicated his life to living up to Kirk's legacy and became a fantastic and storied captain. I believe they made a few books about him.
He originally got the position because it was a long period of peace and his father was an influential Admiral. He saw captaining a ship as just something to do for fun. But after losing Kirk, he saw that being a captain affects the lives of everyone involved and began to take it VERY seriously.
"Captain of the Enterprise, huh?"
"That's right."
"Close to retirement?"
"I'm not planning on it."
"Well let me tell you something. Don't! Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do ANYTHING that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference."
"Come back with me. Help me stop Soran. Help make a difference again!"
"Who am I to argue with the captain of the Enterprise? What's the name of that planet? Veridian III?"
"That's right."
"I take it the odds are against us and the situation is grim?"
"You could say that."
"You know if Spock were here, he'd say I was an irrational, illogical human being for going on a mission like that. ...Sounds like fun!"
Fun Fact: The horse that William Shatner rides is his, as are the house and farm where the sequence takes place.
Captain's Chair Fact: William Shatner has stated that his line "Who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise?" was the hardest line he ever had to deliver.
Lady Washington Fact: In the holodeck scene, Troi (Marina Sirtis) hands over the sailing ship's helm to an elderly man. In real life, this man is the REAL captain of the sailing ship Lady Washington at the time. The ship itself is owned by Grays Harbor Historical Seaport in Aberdeen, Washington. The same ship also portrayed the Interceptor in Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl (2003).
The emotion chip came from Data's brother Lore after he stole it and installed it in himself. There's several TNG episodes that explain it.
As for Whoopi's character, she's actually older than what's implied in this movie. It's explained in a two part TNG episode.
I see a lot of people have a problem with the fact Picard didn't go back in time earlier when Soran was on the Enterprise. I see it as Picard being a stickler for detail. The farther back in time he goes the more chances he has for changing the timeline too much. Butterfly effect. Going back to Veridian III would cause the least amount of damage. Besides he doesn't want a visit from Temporal Investigations.
27:18 "it's a wig 'cause you need hair." 😆 The first part with the Enterprise B was so good. In a way, Kirk dying on the bridge of a ship felt more appropriate. But he always said he would die alone and sure enough none of the original crew was there with him at the end. 🙁
Shatner wanted Kirk to say “Bridge on the captain”.
The World needs more kids like you in it. Everyone else are too quick to hate on movies and tv shows. Not you, you are open minded and don’t let negativity sway you
I agree completely. Many won't even continue a franchise because of what they read in their comments. And it's really sad as they might actually like further films.
Most reactors Ive seen, that have continued on with a franchise, have liked those movies. Now they might have liked the earlier movies in the franchise more, but they didn't outright hate the later movies like many in their comments seem to.
I think not having the nostalgia and rose colored glasses some may have, because they waited decades for sequels or saw a movie as a kid, allows new viewers to appreciate the films more.
All of the movies are good in their own way. I saw this in the theaters when it came out and i thought it was epic at the time.
i wish they made a tv series focusing on the enterprise-b era. not sure what the demand would be for it, though.
Probably wouldn't be successful nowadays. Maybe back then they could've done something but they had Deep Space Nine running at the time and a year after this movie they had Voyager as well so adding a third Star Trek series at that time while also working on 3 more movies would've been a bit much.
Kirk's death is to me a perfect bookend. A very dramatic life ending the same way most of us will very simple and alone. Think about the last words you were utter in your life "oh my".
Perfect!
While some films are better than others I don't dislike any of them. The stories they told are consistent with the exceptional storytelling of the TV series. They did new things with the characters, but that's what we want to see rather than just retreading old ground. So, where others may dislike them, I find them all good for what they contribute. Incidentally, Brent Spiner does in fact have at least one album "Ole Yellow Eyes is Back." On one song Worf, Picard, and I forget who else, sing backups on the album! No kidding! William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy also have albums! Kirk died the way he said he would in Star Trek 5. He died "alone" without Spock and McCoy there. His prediction came true. Though he was with Picard, he was not with his left and right arms Spock and McCoy, and therefore his death fit what he said he always knew. Though, as you said, it seemed unfitting that such a hero like Kirk should die in such a way. But how else could it be within the context of the film? McCarthy is an underrated composer. His music gives me the same emotions and excitement as did James Horner's music. Both prominently use French horns for the chills and emotional components and percussion to drive the action. He did so much of the music for the TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager TV series plus this movie. I have long had a crush on Counselor Troi. She was so beautiful in this film and had more to do than just relate empathic information which I love. Any time I can see more Troi I'm a happy man. But as you said everyone delivered great performances. Keep your attention on Data's character developments in the movies. They will add to the impact of what happens with him in the final movie.
Some fun facts; One of the actors on the Enterprise B bridge is Tim Russ who guested on both TNG and DS9 before becoming a series regular for Voyager (I would recomment the Voyager episode Flashback focusing on his character, there are some cameos in it you will love); and Malcolm McDowell who play's Soren, his nephew was a series regular on DS9 - Alexander Siddig who plays Julian Bashir. A DS9 episode I would recommend would be Trials and Tribble-ations...I can guarantee you will love it! I absolutely love this and the next movie... but not the following two, but I'll watch for your reactions to both.
The TNG episode "Brothers" is worth a revisit as it marks the return of Lore, the android that Data's creater (or Father) preceeded him with. In that episode, Brent Spiner plays all three characters and is pretty amazing, not just his acting, but explaining the backstory. It explains the emotion chip that their creator designed for Data and what happened to it. Later two part episode, Descent explains further but you could give it a miss and not lose out on too much of the back story.
You should consider looking at some select eps from ST: Deep Space 9 and ST: Voyager. In between ST Generations, and the next: First Contact, Worf transferred to DS9 and starred in that series for some time. This will explain his presence in the next movie. Without spoiling it for you, you'll understand it when you see it!
yes, this. datalore, brothers, descent. those would have been helpful with the data's emotion chip story.
Descent is a bad two parter though and would be confusing without I, Borg. Realistically he just needs to watch all trek lol.
Spiner also plays both Dr. Soong’s son and one of his ancestors (Who are both slimy pieces of shit) in Star Trek Picard.
4:03 Kirk was such a legend that he even made Tuvok smile!!!!!
I'm so happy to discover your channel. Looking through your catalogue of videos seems you have reacted tons of my favorite films.
Not only that, you went on and watched entire franchises despite I'm sure people telling you to stop at the second movie or so in some of them. I hate when people tell reactors to not continue a series.
Everyone is different and especially when people have nostalgia for older films and hate newer installments in their franchise, I've found most reactors that have watched further films in those series have generally liked them, even if they didn't like them as much as the first couple installments. I will always say binging a franchise for the first time in a row and waiting decades between them hits the audience differently.
So kudos to you for completing entire franchises. I look forward to going back and seeing if you did really like them or not.
Great reaction and review, Ollie! I really love this movie. I know it's got it's critics but I was always entertained by it. I think the themes of time and death and how we deal with it resonates with me.
Patrick Stewart has some beautiful lines in this film and I think Shatner was also great. I didn't mind his death as much as others. He went out how he lived helping people. It could've been drawn out more I suppose. His final lines I think we're fitting "It was fun." short and sweet. Shatner said when he says "Oh my..." it's his reaction to what happens when you die. Did Kirk see something? Is there a heaven? I like that thought.
Lastly I loved the lighting and cinematography. Thought it looked gorgeous.
I saw this in theaters with my Dad and Grandfather who were both huge fans of the original series. My Grandfather had read ALL the original series books over the years and owned all the movies. In fact it was my Grandfather who first introduced me to Star Trek. When Kirk died at the end the whole theater was just stunned and in disbelief. My Grandfather had a look on his face like he just lost his best friend but wasn't ever going to admit it. My Dad just gave me a look that screamed "Don't! Just leave him be." But, man, that took the air out of the room for a minute when people first saw it.
I sympathise. Kirk being killed put me on a downer for days after I saw it.
They should have killed Picard.
There's always an Enterprise. The next one is Sovereign Class!
This movie explains a mystery about Guinan. Throughout the series, part of Guinan's mystique was her ability to sense when time wasn't "right." As explained in the movie, she never really completely left the Nexus: part of her escaped, while part of her remains within.
This is an okay movie. I'm not bothered by his death: a warrior's death, that would be appreciated by Klingons. He died fighting.
I love, love, *love* Star Trek: First Contact!!! The next movie. A scary enemy is back...re imagined via a bigger budget!
I very much liked this movie as well, the point you made about Kirk's death I agree with and i think is the main reason fans dislike the movie. This movie is a prime example as to why all space movies need to be seen on the big screen to get the full effect !!! I also agree "First Contact" is the best of the four for all kinds of reasons, the visuals, the Borg, and the acting by all it's just a great film..."Nemesis" is also excellent I think
You don’t think Shatner and Stewart could share a movie, but it really works. They were so inspiring.
In Star Trek 5, Kirk said he knew he wouldn't die because Spock and Bones were with him, and that he knew he'd die alone. In that respect, I think they did Kirk's death right.
I saw this in the theater, and when Soran knocked Picard off the summit and launched the probe into the star, someone in the audience yelled "If it was Kirk, he would have kicked Soran's ass!" which reminds me of an anecdote William Shatner said Patrick Stewart told him. Patrick Stewart and William Shatner were both in Las Vegas, and Shatner called Stewart and suggested that they should get together. Stewart agreed, and got a cab in front of his hotel and told the driver to take to Shatner's hotel. Turned out that Shatner's hotel was right across the street, so the driver told Stewart "Get out of my cab!" Stewart said "I will NOT!" so the driver got out, grabbed Stewart and pulled him out of the cab. Then he recognized Stewart and said "Hey! You're Captain Picard!" and Stewart said "Why, yes. yes I am." Then the driver said "Wow! Am I lucky. If you had been Kirk, I would have been in trouble!"
Glad you liked this one. Its a good transition movie from the old to the next. The new movie is pretty much one of the highest rated movies of the series and also is a major canon event as many tv episodes and movies make reference to it.
As a long time fan I always heard Kirk's last question about having helped and made a difference as Shattener talking to the fans and Stewart as his run in the franchise finally ended..... Makes it hit different and always makes me tear up.
Even though many people preferred the newer series.... By effecting the new series, he and the original had still touched everyone.
The crash of the Entreprise's saucer section is one of my all time favorite Trek scenes. Epic!
Loved your reaction on this movie and the way you're reacting to the Trekverse in general.
The death of the Enterprise-D hurt WAY more than Kirk's. We spent so much time adventureing in that ship. And being killed by a rackety old bird of prey is like batman getting shanked by a hobo. Tragic.
Malcolm McDowell, the actor who played Dr Soren, is indeed remarkable. He appeared as the lead character Alex in Stanley Kubrick's controversial A Clockwork Orange (1971), and starred as H.G. Wells in director Nicholas Meyers' (Star Trek II and VI) 1979 time travel thriller Time After Time, in which he faces off against Jack the Ripper (actor David Warner, who appeared as Chancellor Gorkon in Star Trek IV) in 1970s San Francisco.
Fun Fact: Malcolm McDowell is the maternal uncle of actor Alexander Siddig who plays Dr. Julian Bashir on DS9
@@themourningstar338 When I found this out, I realised how obvious it was. They are extremely alike, especially when Alexander was younger
@@dogstar75 Ikr, once you see it you can't unsee it. They very much look alike.
The actresses playing the Duras sisters were told the characters were going to be in the movie, making them pretty happy. They called another Trek actor ( Robert O'reilly aka Gowron ) who told them that Klingons in the movies usually die. He was correct.
So glad you mentioned the effects work in this. IMO this is one of the best looking Star Trek movies. It‘s truly impressive what they did with what are essentially TV show sets. The shots of the Enterprise B inside the ribbon or the crash landing sequence are masterfully done and feel distinctly different from any other Star Trek movie. Yes, the script is clunky and doesn’t work for an uninitiated audience (unlike the TOS movies and the upcoming First Contact) but there’s just so much to enjoy thematically. It probably does deserve a lower ranking than most Star Trek movies but I don’t think this is a bad movie by any means.
Every week, Olli levels up his dorkiness, and I'm here for it 😂
One of the biggest problems is the fact that the plot completely falls apart the instant you put a moment's worth of thought into it. For example, why all the nonsense about blowing up stars to change the course of the ribbon when he could just beam himself into it from a shuttle? Or just beam himself into space in front of the ribbon seeing as how its course is 100% predictable. Or how about the fact that Picard being able to go back to any place at any time and choosing the most idiotic point in time to go back to? He could have just gone back to when he was talking to Soran in Ten Forward and punched him in the face. Or better yet, he could have gone back a couple of days and saved his family from burning to death. But no, instead he goes back to right before Soran launches the rocket where Picard is at a significant disadvantage which ultimately gets Kirk killed. Sure, the action scenes are well done and all, but the plot is truly braindead.
*picks up kurlan naiskos, chucks it back on the floor indifferently*
Yeah it's kind of an unforgivable plot hole... Also killing off Picards brother and nephew was a bit extreme.
@@thewinner7382 you know Robert didnt have any of that fancy smoke alarm tech
Generations is one of my favourites in the entire series. That may be because that scene of the destruction of D was burned into my brain as a child. I actually think I was aware of it before I was aware of Star Trek.
Brent Spiner’s album is on TH-cam. The title is old yellow eyes is back.
The missile that Soran fired into the sun apparently was equipped with some kind of warp drive... unless we're supposed to believe that it traveled roughly 90 million miles in 30 seconds while propelled only by rocket fuel.
Not to mention that, given that they could have exited the Nexus anywhere at any time, there are a thousand better ways that they could have foiled Soran's plans. But that's pretty typical of time-travel stories.
Also, even if a sun explodes and goes supernova, it would take about 7 minutes for the lights/effects to be felt, if the planet here is the same distance as the earth from the sun (93 million miles).
Thank you for copy/pasting the insights of Mr. Plinkett! Next time...perhaps come up with an original thought on your own?
@@antonfaro9464 I haven’t the slightest clue who that is, but my opinions are my own. If they happen to match someone else’s, I guess that adds to their validity. But thanks for sharing your unfounded accusations!
Guinan: You can go back to any time you want.
Picard: I'll go back five minutes!
Rene: Uncle, are you sure you don't want to go back a day or two earlier?
Picard: Shut up, Rene! I'm not going to save you from that burning building!
Guinan: You could at least save Geordi from being abducted and tortured.
Picard: No, we need to let Soran complete as much of his plan as possible!
Data: You could talk me out of harming myself with the emotion chip.
Picard: I don't want you in my Nexus, Data. Go away.
I saw this in the theater opening night in West LA next to UCLA. The audience loved it. It was such an emotional experience I felt physically drained (in a good way.) I thought it was a universally loved film but learned a few years later that it wasn't. That blew my mind. Glad to see people are coming (back) around on that opinion.
I think a big issue was this wasn’t the meeting of Captain Kirk and Captain Picard we expected as fans. We wanted to see the crews of the two Enterprises team up to fight some grand foe or solve some big issue. Instead we got two old men fighting a third old man. The story was not bad. The acting was really good. The special effects were fantastic. It failed to live up to by then decade of expectation we’d built up.
21:24 Brent Spiner has released 2 albums. The first (Ol' Yellow Eyes Is Back, from 1991) features backing vocals on one track from The Sunspots - LeVar Burton, Michael Dorn, Jonothan Frakes and Patrick Stewart.
I liked all of the TNG movies. Generations is a good film. Like most films, it does have some weak spots; but, nevertheless, it is still a very good addition to Trek.
I was going to come up with a diagram for you of essential TNG episodes to watch. I did some heavy thinking about it. And the more I look at it, the more I realize the The Next Generation has story threads that run through a lot of episodes, with some threads crossing other threads. It is a much deeper and connected series than I thought. Even many early episodes have connections with later episodes. Even the first season, which is often considered the worst and least connected, has at least 16 of its 26 episodes that somehow connect with later episodes. To define essential TNG episodes would probably include two-thirds of the episodes, if not more. While it was heavily episodic, it was amazingly connected. A diagram with all the connected episodes would be very difficult, convoluted, and probably not very helpful.
21:22 Interestingly enough, Brent Spiner (Data) does have a singing album: Old Yellow Eyes is Back. It's not bad!
Kirk's original death scene was worse; being shot in the back by Soran after he decloacks the missile. But I get what you're saying. My guess was always that the writers always intended this to be a Next Gen movie, so they intentionally drew some (extra) attention away from Kirk.
But I think it's a good movie, it always moves me watching Kirk's death. Yes, some of the science doesn't work out, like how can that missile hit that sun in mere seconds, while it takes the shockwave near minutes to reach the planet, and how is it immideately visible; light also has to travel, etc.
And a good pun was born here: I think in the beginning they said "Captain on the bridge" when Kirk entered the Ent-B bridge. Movie ended with "Bridge on the Captain"
I'd guess the missile had FTL capabilities that weren't obvious, since even in our solar system Mercury is just over 3 light minutes from the sun and Mercury is probably a lot closer to the sun then this planet was to it's star.
Yay! Can't wait for you to get to First Contact, it's so good.
"You know there was a time that I wouldn't hurt a fly. Then the Borg came, and they showed me that if there is one constant in this whole universe, it's death."
That assessment of Kirk’s death was my problem as well with the movie. I’ve always believed Kirk needed to die on the bridge of the Enterprise. There is an interesting book sequel written by Shatner titled “The Return,” which surprisingly works for me and it goes into deeper history of the Borg.
Omg yes. Read this at a young age, and it’s my personal canon
Fun Fact: In one of the books, the Duras Sister's hacking Geordi's VISOR made Starfleet order Geordi to get synthetic ocular implants because it was like the 3rd time in TNG people had used the VISOR against him. This is why he has the new eyes in First Contact.
The only thing I hate is that Picard left Kirk there and not bring him to earth and give him a hero funeral
I remember the first time I went to see this at the movies. I was so excited to see Kirk and Picard together on screen for the first time, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. So when Kirk died, I got a lump on my throat and almost cried right there, I mean, Captain Kirk, one of my childhood heroes and there he was dead, getting buried by Picard and the sad music, I started thinking about all the original series episodes and the first movies. The destruction of the Enterprise was epic, much more than in Star Trek III. I didn't like how easily Picard was getting beat up in the fights with Soran when he was shown to be able to hold his own in a good old fashioned fist fight in an episode of TNG. A sort of connection with the Aliens universe, Private Vasquez, Jenette Goldstein as the Enterprise B's science officer. Did anyone else noticed, when Data pushes Dr. Crusher into the water and she passes beside Worf, his knees are bleeding?
The “bleeding” was actually paint on the side of the ship that hadn’t dried yet when they filmed the scene. I guess it happens with tight shooting schedules.
I was just thinking Kirk and Picard's differing command styles both made sense for the eras they lived in.
In Kirk's day, space was a more wild, untamed place, at least for humans. So you needed a bold risk taker.
A century later it'd be much more explored, understood, more relations established, the Federation was the dominant force in their region of the galaxy. They needed a diplomat to help keep it all from coming apart at the seams.
And it fits that the original series was made in the peak Cold War, whereas the TNG era was after the end of the Cold War when America was the lone superpower, but BEFORE 9/11.
And then the Abrams movies reflect the War on Terror. And New Trek shows a lot of intense internal conflict and the open corruption in the system, much like America has been undergoing.
I can safely say the weed has kicked in. I always get chatty and philosophical about Star Trek when I'm lit.
Kirk's death scene in this was actually a reshoot because the first take didn't go over well with test audiences. He was originally shot by Soran and died in Picard's arms. Oh well - I guess there's no good way for Kirk to die.
"Captain on the bridge!" "Bridge on the Captain!"
I liked this movie too. The story, the effects, and the music were all excellent. I'm so glad you took the time to watch it. :)
Such a great reaction, your Star Trek journey has been such a joy to witness.
it was a great movie, from effects, to acting, to sets, and music!
I cannot WAIT to see your reaction to First Contact!!! Loved this!!
A little fun fact: Since you have indicated you wished Kirk had survived, there IS a BOOK version written by William Shatner and well known StarTrek authors Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens. It's a 3 book series detailing events right before "Star Trek Generations" from Kirk and Spock's pov. It continues after the movie ends as well where Kirk is mysteriously regenerated with nano technology and continues on into Picard's Star Trek world.
Great reaction. Didn't catch if you recognized Malcolm McDowell who played Soren. He played Alex in A Clockwork Orange.
I always thought of this movie as the TNG's version of "Star Trek - The Motion Picture". Mostly in that for many years, it was the least favorite of the TNG era movies. Today, that consensus seems to have changed. I've always liked it a lot. But, I've always like "The Motion Picture" since seeing it in the theaters when I was 14 and it's still one of my favorites to this day. My wife and I saw "Generations' in the theater and we both loved it. It's still her favorite TNG movie.
For film production, the team actually pulled out the original 6-foot model of the Enterprise-D built by ILM for "Encounter at Farpoint" which had been pretty much set aside since season 3 of TNG when a 4-foot model was made that had more visible surface detail. The idea for that model was because it was thought that the detailing would look better on the TV screen. In reality, the effects supervisor just didn't like working with that 6-footer. At the time, I noticed the change and thought the new model looked horrible and chunky with all that added visible plating that, in scale, would be plates several feet thick. But maybe that was just me. I could tell that the old model was used in the movie. Even though it was touched up and some small details were added to the surface here and there, it wasn't a lot and looked great on the big screen. It was also the only model of the "D" built to be separated.
Shatner delivers one of the best deaths in his final performance as Captain James T. Kirk.
Fun fact. They destroyed the Enterprise D for a technical reason. The Enterprise D was designed to fill a 4:3 TV screen. But the studio didn’t like the way the ship looked in widescreen. So they destroyed the ship in this movie so they could design a new sleeker ship for the future films.
This was great start for STNG in movies. The crash scene was INCREDIBLE in the theaters. Was upset with the death of Kirk, killed in a fall, come on! But, it held with cannon. Kirk always said he knew he'd die alone. And none of his friends are there.
But Picard was. That's not alone.
Saw this in the movie theater the night it opened. Packed theater, trivia questions (a few I answered right, to the shock of my date), a few costumes.
24:07 - the audience gave a 10sec laugh/cheer.
I've always loved this movie. As a fan of TNG it was great seeing this in the cinema back in the day.
Swearing was an entire subplot of IV, lol. Now, you've never heard Data swear, especially like that. But yeah, you've heard swearing.
This is my favourite score of any ST movie
I never understood ANY criticism of this movie, I loved it then and still do. It was always gonna be tricky mixing TOS and TNG and the 2 Captains meeting was epic! Dr Soran is also one of my favourite villians, hamming it up nicely! Very interesting you reacting immediately to Kirk's off screen death on Enterprise B. Almost everyone hated it at a pre screen so they rewrote it and added him helping Picard later!
You don't understand any criticism? Not even the massive plot holes surrounding the Nexus? It's funny because if you listen to Braga and Moore's commentary for the movie even they spend half the time criticising it lol.
Because it was directed by a impersonal tv serie episodes director, David Carson that lack of any personal style on visuals or narrative, so it looks more an very expensive special episode than a feature film for a movie theater. The staging is very dull and uninspired.
You can see whatever you wanto about Abrams enntires, but you can find a personal style on them.
The Enterprise and other federation starships use "Inertial Dampeners" to prevent crew members from being tossed around by the impact of space battles, collisions, or when lurching into warp speed. During the crash landing of the saucer section, these inertial dampeners protected the crew as they impacted the surface, the resistance of thousands of trees, and even smashing through a low mountain peak. It is odd, however, that when the Enterprise saucer section finally came to a halt, crew member bodies were shown sliding out of control toward the front of the ship. Did the inertial dampeners maintain function through the entire crash landing, only to fail during the last second? Or is that just a continuity error that only a Trekkie nerd like myself would ponder?
The Technical Manual says that dampeners work pretty perfectly in response to the planned, intentional motion of the ship - because they know what the ship is doing. But when affected by an outside source, there is a lag of some microseconds in countering the forces. This is why the crew can be thrown around a bit (but not as much as they would with NO dampeners). The functionality of the dampeners would probably be in question as the ship was taking so much damage on the ground too.
I'd also imagine the dampeners were taking damage throughout the slide. Also after they were hit from the shockwave of the warp core explosion Worf said their primary stabilizers were disabled and they had to switch to the secondary and the inertial dampeners are part of the stabilizers so they were using the secondary inertial dampeners.
At the very beginning of the crash sequence, the moment things go completely crazy you can hear the computer saying “stabilizers offline engaging secondary systems.” I always felt like they switched to backup inertial dampeners and that’s why things went janky from that point on.
During the crash scene marina sirtis "troi" sat at the helm and there was hot ash from the explosions on the bridge. The actress actually burned her behind.
I saw this movie on its original release. Never had a problem with it, though the cut I saw included the deleted orbital skydiving scene with Captain Kirk. It was placed before the champagne bottle ceremony for the Enterprise B. It's bizarre to me that no version I've seen since has included it.
I agree this movie gets more flak than it deserves! I get some of the complaints about it not integrating with certain TNG episodes but that's not important to me; people are free to dislike Kirk's death and all that but I, like you, thought the integration of the two casts and the whole nexus concept was really clever and well done and while this movie has a few loose ends, it could've had so many more and been such a mess and it's not, it's pretty tight and well done and I think the haters be missing out a bit. I really like First Contact, after that I'm not as much of a fan of the last two TNG movies though after disliking Insurrection for years, my last viewing I thought it was alright!
I recently listened to an interview with William shatner and that dude for a 90-year-old is a damn bit sharper than most people I know.
This is by far the most epic and wholesome Star Trek film ever made. It's also the most complicated, so it helps to be intelligent enough to understand and therefore enjoy it (most reviewers aren't) 😔
The emotion chip was part of the plot of the episodes Brothers and the Descent two-parter.