I just looked at his stats. He doesn't have any of the benchmark numbers of a HOF'er like 3,000 hits, a .300 average, etc. Homreuns he has 272, and that's as a 1st baseman. No doubt he was an above average player but his stats aren't eye-popping. www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
In the summer of 1982, my girlfriend and I went to Phipps Plaza in Atlanta to see Rocky 3.. After the movie ended, we were on our way out and I looked across the lobby and saw Steve Garvey and Jerry Reuss in line to purchase tickets. I couldn't pass up the opportunity to speak to Steve. I walked up to him and stuck out my hand and said, I just wanted to tell you how much I admire the way you play>" He smiled a toothy smile and said, "Thank you very much." Huge forearms and a class act. Hall of Famer in my book.
The Garv is nothing but class!!! I was out in right field in 1984 when he played for the Padres and hit the homerun off Lee Smith in the playoffs. He was so good that wasn’t even his most famous moment, but it was mine. The whole stadium was chanting Garvey Garvey Garvey as he rounded the bases. Thank You sir for that great moment.
alan30189 Dusty was the best manager we’ve had since Sparky though. Even though Lou Won a WS Dusty is still a better manager. Had they kept Dusty he would have finally Won @ least 1 as well.
Back then there wasn't all the cable channels and it was a treat to watch the Reds and Dodgers play. I was a Reds fan, but I appreciated that the Dodgers were a great team with great players, too. I miss those days!
For the Hall of Fame doubters: Steve Garvey played in 11 MLB playoff series, and was the leading hit-getter (between BOTH teams in the series, not just his team) 7 times. SEVEN. Find me a hall of famer who's accomplished that.
I grew up a Cincinnati Reds fan during the 70's until today... But this man Steve Garvey should be in the Hall of Fame.. Tony Perez is in and even though I'd have never admitted it Steve Garvey was as good or maybe just a little better than Perez.. He actually hit for a decent average and was clutch.. His good guy personality actually worked against him as he wasn't seen as rugged hard nosed player. More on the soft side Hollywood style.. But actually he was a skilled killer at the plate.. Check his playoff numbers when it takes focus and sheer determination... Garvey was a great player!!
Oakland A's fan in the 70's. Did not like the Reds or Dodgers but damn they had some great baseball teams. Steve Garvey was one of the best competitors to ever play the game.
Steve was my favorite player growing up. He was great. The thing that keeps him out is that, objectively, his career numbers are just a notch below HOF. 2,600 hits, less than 300 HRs, 1,300 RBIs, 38.1 WAR are just not HOF stats. He did everything very well including fielding .... but he was not "great" like one thinks of HOF. There are some players in that likely should not be in either that he comps against. Issue is that in today's era with the inflated numbers, Steve's numbers will comp even less. If he ever gets in and I HOPE he does, it will be for his postseason performances and his stats there are off the charts. He always seemed to come up big with the stakes were high and a true great does that.
That’s just it. Garvey’s career stats fall short, because he didn’t play enough, despite playing almost every game, but he accomplished greatness in unique categories. He wasn’t just about stats, it’s about what he accomplished. Playing the most consecutive games by an NL player. Going the whole season without making an error. Winning MVP in 2 all-star games. Being the only write in to be voted in an all-star game. Being one of the best players ever in the post season. Winning 4 gold gloves, and could of won a whole lot more if it wasn’t for Keith Hernandez. Winning MVP in the NL for the season. Winner of the World Series in 1981, and he’s been in 4 total. Having that incredible game in the 1984 playoffs against the Cubs. Having six 200 hit seasons, and so many seasons batting .300+.
Too many modern fans think that HOF means stats & stats only. Dude set the NL record for consecutive games. He played in so many of the most important games of his era & excelled in those big games. As far as stats go, WAR doesn't account for how stats unfold. Too many things that happen in the game are overlooked because they don't show up in stats. Stats make a good barometer for HOF but the extra things like his streak, being part of that Dodger infield, postseason performances, All Star performances(when they actually played hard), hitting behind runners which hurts your stats but more importantly helps your team,.. pushes him over the line from 'almost' to 'HOF'.
@@kingcassius2586 exactly and war wasn’t even a stat back then and is very misleading anyhow. Stats definitely don’t tell the whole story plus he was an outstanding defensive first baseman and saved Bill Russell many errors.
@@samiam619 Yeah and Garvey says Rose SHOULD be in the Hall. Oh, MLB can induct steroid cheaters and leave Astros cheaters alone. But oh no, not Pete! The greatest hitter of all time. Nope, were banning Pete for life! Either man up and make the rules clear or don't. As it is, MLB won't man up.
When I think HOF I think 3,000 hits, 500 homeruns, .300 average or a gold glove ss or 2B with insane fielding skills and a respectable bat. I will say that with the election of Harold Baines the requirements for the HOF have been lowered.
@@ThekiBoran Absurd, the HOF would be halved if that were sole criteria. Do you understand how many GREAT, not good, but GREAT players, dont manage 15 years of 200 hits. IMO if you take an era, any era which rounds out to about a decade+, and you garner most of the awards and accolades at your position, you automatically deserve serious consideration. Then go from there. Garvey deserves the HOF. My concern is that with improvements in exercise and conditioning, we are going to eventually end up with alot of not dominant players able to accumulate "numbers" merely by hanging on. I'd rather reward a guy who had a dominant decade, than a mediocre 15+ years. and yes, sportswriters, many of whom couldn't throw a ball from here to there, and who focus solely on big numbers, should NOT be involved. Someone could create an algorithm to pick the inductees if certain numbers are the only ticket in.
Steve Garvey and Dave Concepcion are two GREAT players from that generation that SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. I'll never understand why they're not!!
Because Garvey has always portrayed himself to be a clean-living, honest man of honor and integrity. When, in actuality, he's always been a cheating, lying, stealing, lowlife scumbag that doesn't have an ounce of honor or integrity. What he's done to thousands of people dwarfs the dishonesty of the steroid freaks.
Steve Garvey was a fantastic baseball player but a bit of a scumbag. Dave Concepcion was was an average ball player surrounded by a great team. His base running was possibly the worst in the history of the game.
Steve Garvey was always All About Class when he mentioned that Charlie Hustle should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Very Classy of Dodgers Steve Garvey, to put in A Very Good Word for NL West Division Nemesis Pete Rose belonging to Cooperstown. Back at a time when the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds were The Biggest Rivalry of the National League West.
Always hated the Dodgers growing up because I was a Reds fan and it was always Reds or Dodgers in the 70's. But I was unaware and shocked to hear on this video that Garvey is NOT a member of the HOF. He should be.
The feeling was very much mutual here in Los Angeles about “The Big Red Machine”! But I do firmly believe that Charlie Hustle(Pete Rose) got himself a raw deal by continuing to be left out of Cooperstown.
As I was watching this interview I kept seeing a correlation between Garvey and Cary Grant. Beyond the obvious connection that they are/were both very handsome men, they have another connection ... just as Garvey is not in the HOF, Cary Grant never won an Academy Award ... other than a honorary lifetime contribution award he was given late in his life. The reason Cary Grant never won an Academy Award is that his critics felt that he made things look too effortless. They felt he was just being himself on the screen and not really "acting". Well, maybe this is part of Garvey's problem ... i.e., it just looked way too easy for him out there. It's like it was just effortless for him. Well, I would contend that that is exactly why he SHOULD be in the HOF ... very few players can make it look easy, which we all know it isn't. Great interview!
Huh? If it was so effortless for him why, as a 1st baseman, didn't he hit more than 272 career homeruns? www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
Steve Garvey is like the Paul McCartney of baseball. Charming, a bit arrogant, comes off as really good guy. Don Sutton couldn't stand him. Garvey was my favorite Dodger growing up. He didn't hit the home runs, I remember Dodger Stadium being a tough place to hit homers back in the 1970s, but he was almost always clutch in the post season and he was best or one of best first basemen in game during his era. S/b in hall of fame.
I went to Steve Carltons induction ceremony back in 94 with my girlfriends brother. When leaving, there was a crowd if people surrounding someone getting autographs. As people left, I could see people were just sticking things in his face to sign. It was crazy. After signing every one, Steve walked with us a few blocks back to downtown Cooperstown and just talking. He was a really cool guy. My one comment was...oh my God, the people were just shoving stuff right in your face to sign. He said yeah, it comes with the territory. I then took a picture of him and my friend and we left. Class act all the way and should be in the hall of fame. A few years later, my friend ran into him again and got that picture autographed.
a lot of Reds fans here thinking what I'm thinking. I am from LA and saw many Reds/Dodgers games at Dodger Stadium in the 70s and 80s. Garvey was a beast against us and everyone else.
Steve Garvey and Pete Rose Both should be in the HOF Rose as Player nuff Said Not as a Manager Might you. Garvey holds a League and ASG MVP and NL Record for Consecutive Games ( 4th All Time) 10x All Star and Holds the Record in winning all those 10 ASGs put Garvey and Rose in the HOF
Steve was one of my favorite players. A no nonsense type guy that took care of business. Nice to see him looking well. I agree with the others, he should be in the hall of fame.
My first little league season, I was up there trying to look just like Steve Garvey :) Took me a few years to fully forgive my Dodgers for letting MY Dodger leave...... Hope to get your autograph on my cracked Steve Garvey bat one of these days Steve!
When one thinks of the topical Dodger player, what comes to my mind is someone that's good looking well built that could be a hollywood movie actor......thats Steve Garvey!.. And a Damn Good player!!!
When I started following baseball as a kid in the late 1970's, Steve Garvey was one of those great stars in the game whom everyone readily assumed would make the Hall of Fame. He had great seasons year after year and would make all the magazine covers as one of the most talked about stars in the game. But he hasn't made Cooperstown. I'm still wondering about others such as Dave Parker, Thurman Munson, Fred Lynn and Dick Allen, too. At least one of them (Munson at least) should have made it. Garvey says here that he never fought with a pitcher. But in 1978, he did engage in a lockeroom brawl with teammate Don Sutton after a major disagreement between them. The funny thing is, after that fight, the Dodgers got hot and started winning and eventually took the NL West from the Reds and Giants. Only ballplayers can explain such things. 9:11 "I might run for Senate here."
I'm a Reds fan, boy these guys were though to play every year & he may have been there best player, by far ! So, not a Dodgers fan, but, with that said, this guy should have been in by now ?
Garvey does not have 3,000 hits, does not have 300 home runs, does not have a .300 career BA and has "only" 1,300+ RBI. He does have an MVP Award and has a WS ring, plus 10 AS Games. His postseason numbers are great also. He was the model of consistency, and it does seem like he ought to be in the HOF. Maybe missing those benchmark numbers has hurt him.
Sure is. Guys can roid up and cheat and get in the Hall. Guys can flagrantly cheat(Astros) and MLB will leave them alone. But Pete is left out of the Hall. Ok, I'll stop there.
not a scam, trustworthy process. I myself feel that Garvey should be in, then I check baseball reference and see that there are 49 1st baseman ranked above him.
This Cincinnati Reds fan always loved Steve Garvey. A phenomenal player and a class act. Unbelievable at this point he wasn't in the Hall. Also, as a native of Tampa, as was Garvey, how did the Reds, who trained in Tampa, miss Steve Garvey back in the day? Lol!
Garvey has all the components of a hall of famer. Even Bill James in his 1994/95 book predicted Garvey to get elected in 1997. James was nearly correct about many on his prediction list, give or take a year or two.
Good interview. Did anyone from those Dodger teams of the 70's get into the hall of fame? Maybe a picture like Don Sutton? They had good solid teams but few had the stats to warrant HOF consideration. I think Steve should be in there. I hope he makes it someday.
I just assumed Garv was in hall. I'm shocked to know this. One of the best players in the game for a decade. WTF? Who'd he piss off? He was premier. He was a bit vain and a bit of a cad, but he had good reasons. He was a stud. Strong. Confident. Captain America player. Perennial all-star. A world champ. Legendary Gang of Four infield. Celebrity couple with ex-wife. He and Joe Theisman are cut from the same cloth. He blew his political aspirations with the news of having "impregnated" (his words at the time) a couple of chics outta wedlock. They might be hold'n it against him 'cause he was such a slayer. Hey Hall of Fame; get with it. Everybody else knows.
It's the position. an offensive position, he didn't amass 3000 hits or 500 home runs. That's kind of the benchmark for HOF 1st basemen. Great career though, and memorable player. For that, he'd get my vote.
@@cordellsenior9935 Interesting tidbit, the only 1st baseman to get in the HOF between Tony Perez (1965) and Frank Thomas (1990) is Eddie Murray. Tough position to get in.
@@michaelbee2165 Garvey would get my vote. He's a 10 time All Star, the list of 10 time All Stars NOT in the HOF is very thin. However, when you compare Garvey to Hall of Fame 1st baseman who did get voted in during or after his era, his numbers fall short of those guys....Eddie Murray, Jeff Bagwell, Jim Thome, Frank Thomas, soon to be Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera.....Unfortunately 1st baseman get compared to 1st baseman when it comes to the HOF
I'm also a Red's fan. Garvey wasn't a first ballot HOFer? You're joking. Great player, one of the best of the 70's. Things like this make the HOF less legitimate. They obviously have a bad selection system.
I hated the Dodgers, so was obviously not a fan of Garvey but it's ridiculous that he's not in the HOF. And it just got a whole lot more ridiculous with Harold Baines and Lee Smith in there. Garvey should have gotten in no later than 5th year of eligibility. So it's 20 years overdue.
@@evomorales666 ...that indicates to me the inadequacy of the measurement, not of the player. WAR would have us believe that Roy White had a better career than Garvey, Lou Brock, Tony Oliva, Dizzy Dean, Dale Murphy, etc.
These relief pitchers in the hall of fame are ridiculous. They barely pitch 1000 innings in their career! Roger Clemens pitch more than 5000 when you count post-season.
Agreed on Baine. Great player and good for him but not quite HOF. Lee Smith though, was dominant closing for a bad to mediocre Cubs team in the 80's. His numbers took a hit there. (Pun unintended)
Walter Alston was wise to move Garvey from 3b to 1b. I'm not going to get into a numbers debate but Garvey was a winner a great clutch player I think most Reds fans would agree and he was first class all the way.
Garvey was at the top of the list of all-star players back in that era. I was also surprised to hear that he wasn't in the hall of fame. His numbers must have really dropped off to not make it.
I'm so conflicted about Garvey. I have a whole bunch of his rookie cards and cherish them. His stats are impressive. I'm not impressed by arrogance. Always thought he exuded that trait. Not sure I see that now. Just seems more like confidence. I don't have a problem with that....
He definitely was an above average player but not quite a HOF'er. Stats don't lie. Which stat or stats make him a HOF'er? www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
@Fleck Smugbrother Arrogant? I want him as my first baseman. Any day. Smiley "everybody loves the guy" stuff . Who cares. Usually an act anyway.Big San Francisco Giant fan . Bonds is my guy. Arrogance and all Throw in Albert Bell and Gary Sheffield- Arrogant and comic strip good. Arrogance
Another perfect example of why I don't understand why baseball's HOF is treated seriously: Garvey's not in, Dave Parker's not in, all these fantastically accomplished guys who plain weren't good enough because of stats...despite all of us having eyes. Then the all time hit and home run kings aren't in!!!!! Baseball is a cartel: the owners and their commissioner, the sanctimonious writers, and HOF legends who quite frankly are protecting their earning power on the autograph circuit...it's why baseball's appeal will continue to recede and the HOF is a circle jerk.
Deserves to be in the hall. There are too many voters who just dont take it seriously enough or are uneducated about the game. Never forget hearing some years back that Jerry Remy, a utility infielder for the Red Sox got one vote for the hall. I couldn't believe that there was someone so blind to how important a vote could be.
Uh, yeah...he's a fraud. The great con artists know how to come across - - that's why they're great con artists. That is why he's never gotten into the Hall of Fame and will never get into the Hall of Fame. He is a vile, rotten human being that has screwed everybody, and I'm not even talking about the broads and 180 kids.
He's a right wing Republican, and sportswriters tend not to regard such players warmly. That's perhaps one reason he can't get the HoF votes. Then there was the matter of his extra-curricular family and complicated romantic life. Garvey had always cultivated an image as a strait-laced, monogamous guy, and when the truth came out, it looked a lot worse than had he been an acknowledged hell-raiser. He seemed hypocritical- a phony. These things shouldn't affect his status as a ball-player. He was a mainstay of some very good teams over a long career, with many big achievements to his name. The other stuff shouldn't matter when it comes to the Hall. Should he go in? I don't know. But he shouldn't be kept out for the wrong reasons.
Yeah I agree that all that may be true but what I think has a lot to do with it is most of the HOF voters are in the East and really don't follow the western teams like they should because of the time difference. Especially back in the 60's and 70's. Back then it was as if the west coast teams were the part of the minor leagues. Look how much time the sports channels today give the New York and Boston teams compared to the West in all sports not just baseball. I don't blame them, it's where most of their audience is. But a HOF candidate shouldn't be ignored just because he's not in the headlines that are written hours before the west coast games end. The voters need to do look deeper than just stats. He put people in the seats and that should count for something. His private life aside he did a lot for baseball. Put him in.
Yeah, you mention a lot of crap that has nothing to do with his career on the field. Then like a phony claim he shouldnt be left out of the Hall for the "wrong reasons. Uh, no. You want him left our for the very reasons you so diligently outlined. 🙄 Piss off.
how in the hell can he say rose should be in the HOF. Hell even Johnny Bench said rose shouldn't. Maybe thats the knock on him is that he promotes rose into the HOF when rose will never be in it
Best to forget the Baines thing ever happened. There's about 200 people who should have gotten in before him, and I like Baines, who doesn't....just not a HOF'r
I didn't realize Garvey wasn't in the HOF. That's insane! I was a Reds fan and he wore us out. Mr. Clutch.
SpottedSharks me too .he must have really liked hitting at Riverfront
I just looked at his stats. He doesn't have any of the benchmark numbers of a HOF'er like 3,000 hits, a .300 average, etc. Homreuns he has 272, and that's as a 1st baseman. No doubt he was an above average player but his stats aren't eye-popping.
www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
@@ThekiBoran Don't discount The Garv's post season numbers. Those clutch performances should be considered as well...
That's exactly what I said to myself. also a Reds fan.
If Harold Baines is in, Harvey should be.
In the summer of 1982, my girlfriend and I went to Phipps Plaza in Atlanta to see Rocky 3.. After the movie ended, we were on our way out and I looked across the lobby and saw Steve Garvey and Jerry Reuss in line to purchase tickets. I couldn't pass up the opportunity to speak to Steve. I walked up to him and stuck out my hand and said, I just wanted to tell you how much I admire the way you play>" He smiled a toothy smile and said, "Thank you very much." Huge forearms and a class act. Hall of Famer in my book.
His nickname was "Popeye," because of his big forearms.
That's a great story.
The Garv is nothing but class!!! I was out in right field in 1984 when he played for the Padres and hit the homerun off Lee Smith in the playoffs. He was so good that wasn’t even his most famous moment, but it was mine. The whole stadium was chanting Garvey Garvey Garvey as he rounded the bases. Thank You sir for that great moment.
Had the pleasure to meet Mr Garvey in person.....What a true gentleman and a great player as well.
Such a class act and a great player. I miss the 70s and 80s era of MLB, too!
He's a dead beat flake. Another Lenny Dykstra.
Great times
Never realized he wasn't in the HOF. Really terrific player and not too many better 1st basemen once he started playing. He should be in the HOF.
As a Red's fan, Garvey was the Dodgers best player in the 1970's. A nemesis of the Reds.
So was Dusty Baker. He killed the Reds, over and over again.
alan30189 Dusty was the best manager we’ve had since Sparky though. Even though Lou Won a WS Dusty is still a better manager.
Had they kept Dusty he would have finally Won @ least 1 as well.
That 70 s rivalry was a classic. Both had awesome infields.
Great Baseball! Red's Dodgers, Felt the same way about Rose. Both teams stacked with talent. 👊
Back then there wasn't all the cable channels and it was a treat to watch the Reds and Dodgers play. I was a Reds fan, but I appreciated that the Dodgers were a great team with great players, too. I miss those days!
For the Hall of Fame doubters: Steve Garvey played in 11 MLB playoff series, and was the leading hit-getter (between BOTH teams in the series, not just his team) 7 times. SEVEN. Find me a hall of famer who's accomplished that.
i watched him in his prime as a Cubs fan he deserves the HoF I actually didnt realize he wasnt in.
As a Giants fan I hated to see Steve Garvey at the plate. Dude was a hitting machine and it's hard to believe he's not in the HOF yet...
Dude belongs in the Hall.
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Like Johnny Bench, Steve Garvey a real class act. My all time favorite Dodger #6. ✌Peace
As a Reds fan in the 1970s, I hated Garvey because he was so good. Look at his career numbers...they are definitely HoF worthy.
As a Reds fans did you hate the Dodgers or did you respect them.
@@waynejohanson1083 Both. I hated them and respected them because they were so damn good. But...most years, the Reds were better.
This is CLASSIC stuff...the Johnny Bench episode was epic...Garvey was a class act...pretty boy w Popeye arms...LA to the max...and still a class act!
Steve Garvey is an absolute class act! Probably the classiest Dodger ever!
I grew up a Cincinnati Reds fan during the 70's until today... But this man Steve Garvey should be in the Hall of Fame.. Tony Perez is in and even though I'd have never admitted it Steve Garvey was as good or maybe just a little better than Perez.. He actually hit for a decent average and was clutch.. His good guy personality actually worked against him as he wasn't seen as rugged hard nosed player. More on the soft side Hollywood style.. But actually he was a skilled killer at the plate.. Check his playoff numbers when it takes focus and sheer determination... Garvey was a great player!!
Respect, sir! True Dodger fans respect Reds fans. Great rivalry in the ‘70s.
Garvey was a write-in candidate for the 1974 All-star game....then won the MVP!
Oakland A's fan in the 70's. Did not like the Reds or Dodgers but damn they had some great baseball teams. Steve Garvey was one of the best competitors to ever play the game.
1974 was most definitely Steve Garvey’s year!
Steve was my favorite player growing up. He was great. The thing that keeps him out is that, objectively, his career numbers are just a notch below HOF. 2,600 hits, less than 300 HRs, 1,300 RBIs, 38.1 WAR are just not HOF stats. He did everything very well including fielding .... but he was not "great" like one thinks of HOF. There are some players in that likely should not be in either that he comps against. Issue is that in today's era with the inflated numbers, Steve's numbers will comp even less.
If he ever gets in and I HOPE he does, it will be for his postseason performances and his stats there are off the charts. He always seemed to come up big with the stakes were high and a true great does that.
That’s just it. Garvey’s career stats fall short, because he didn’t play enough, despite playing almost every game, but he accomplished greatness in unique categories. He wasn’t just about stats, it’s about what he accomplished. Playing the most consecutive games by an NL player. Going the whole season without making an error. Winning MVP in 2 all-star games. Being the only write in to be voted in an all-star game. Being one of the best players ever in the post season. Winning 4 gold gloves, and could of won a whole lot more if it wasn’t for Keith Hernandez. Winning MVP in the NL for the season. Winner of the World Series in 1981, and he’s been in 4 total. Having that incredible game in the 1984 playoffs against the Cubs. Having six 200 hit seasons, and so many seasons batting .300+.
Too many modern fans think that HOF means stats & stats only. Dude set the NL record for consecutive games. He played in so many of the most important games of his era & excelled in those big games. As far as stats go, WAR doesn't account for how stats unfold. Too many things that happen in the game are overlooked because they don't show up in stats. Stats make a good barometer for HOF but the extra things like his streak, being part of that Dodger infield, postseason performances, All Star performances(when they actually played hard), hitting behind runners which hurts your stats but more importantly helps your team,.. pushes him over the line from 'almost' to 'HOF'.
@@kingcassius2586 exactly and war wasn’t even a stat back then and is very misleading anyhow. Stats definitely don’t tell the whole story plus he was an outstanding defensive first baseman and saved Bill Russell many errors.
@@nitro_001newman2 Exactly. The man belongs in the HOF hands down.
Photo of the 4 Dodgers who hit 30 or more Home Runs In 1977(Left to Right: Dusty Baker, Steve Garvey, Reggie Smith, Ron Cey) at 2:46.
My favorite player when I was kid.. Even wore the #6.
Bravo Steve Garvey!! Well done sir
Best interview of 2018
Johnny Bench was better.
Yeah bench was awesome too!
I have been a Reds fan my entire life. That team the Dodgers had in the 70s was awesome. Garver was aways one of my favorite players.
Great podcast it's a crime that Steve Garvey and Pete Rose aren't in the Hall of Fame
agirlyman Rose bet on Baseball. OUT. Watch the interview that Dan Patrick did with Johnny Bench. It here on YT.
@@samiam619 Yeah and Garvey says Rose SHOULD be in the Hall. Oh, MLB can induct steroid cheaters and leave Astros cheaters alone. But oh no, not Pete! The greatest hitter of all time. Nope, were banning Pete for life! Either man up and make the rules clear or don't. As it is, MLB won't man up.
Classy, solid player. Garvey HOF.
HOF? Why?
When I think HOF I think 3,000 hits, 500 homeruns, .300 average or a gold glove ss or 2B with insane fielding skills and a respectable bat. I will say that with the election of Harold Baines the requirements for the HOF have been lowered.
@@ThekiBoran Absurd, the HOF would be halved if that were sole criteria. Do you understand how many GREAT, not good, but GREAT players, dont manage 15 years of 200 hits. IMO if you take an era, any era which rounds out to about a decade+, and you garner most of the awards and accolades at your position, you automatically deserve serious consideration. Then go from there. Garvey deserves the HOF. My concern is that with improvements in exercise and conditioning, we are going to eventually end up with alot of not dominant players able to accumulate "numbers" merely by hanging on. I'd rather reward a guy who had a dominant decade, than a mediocre 15+ years. and yes, sportswriters, many of whom couldn't throw a ball from here to there, and who focus solely on big numbers, should NOT be involved. Someone could create an algorithm to pick the inductees if certain numbers are the only ticket in.
Happy 70th Birthday Steve Garvey
Reds fan here. Garvey definitely should be in the HOF.
You mean 1st baseman Garvey and his 272 homeruns?
Great baseball interview, from a great baseball player, and great ambassador for Baseball.
Steve Garvey and Dave Concepcion are two GREAT players from that generation that SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame. I'll never understand why they're not!!
Because Garvey has always portrayed himself to be a clean-living, honest man of honor and integrity. When, in actuality, he's always been a cheating, lying, stealing, lowlife scumbag that doesn't have an ounce of honor or integrity. What he's done to thousands of people dwarfs the dishonesty of the steroid freaks.
John Coffelt you're right concepcion was the best shortstop of his era
you are correct
Steve Garvey was a fantastic baseball player but a bit of a scumbag. Dave Concepcion was was an average ball player surrounded by a great team. His base running was possibly the worst in the history of the game.
Garvey doesn't have the numbers. Look for yourself. A 1st baseman with 272 homreuns?
www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
He and Dale Murphy absolutely belong in the HOF!
I'm a 59 year old Chicagoan. HOF for sure!
To set the record straight. Pete was jailed for tax evasion. Not for gambling.
And the taxes that weren't paid were probably from gambling.
That's NOT why he isn't in the Hall.
Most definitely deserves to be in the HOF - poster-boy ambassador for the game.
#HOFGarvey
The greyhound bus story with his dad was awesome. Reshaped his whole life.
Steve Garvey was always All About Class when he mentioned that Charlie Hustle should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Very Classy of Dodgers Steve Garvey, to put in A Very Good Word for NL West Division Nemesis Pete Rose belonging to Cooperstown. Back at a time when the Los Angeles Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds were The Biggest Rivalry of the National League West.
Agreed. Objective. No hypocrisy.
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Thank you.
That's precisely right. It was the Reds and Dodgers in Garveys day. He knows as much as anyone who was the best he played against. It was Rose.
Steve Garvey needs to be Hall of Fame. He was a superb baseball player for several years!
Crazy thing.....as a young kid I remember his forearms.....Mr. Clean forearms.
He also had six seasons with 200 or more hits, most players haven't done that ONCE.
Fun guy, great stories
Always hated the Dodgers growing up because I was a Reds fan and it was always Reds or Dodgers in the 70's. But I was unaware and shocked to hear on this video that Garvey is NOT a member of the HOF. He should be.
The feeling was very much mutual here in Los Angeles about “The Big Red Machine”! But I do firmly believe that Charlie Hustle(Pete Rose) got himself a raw deal by continuing to be left out of Cooperstown.
I can't believe he isn't in the HOF. That's messed up. Great player!
As I was watching this interview I kept seeing a correlation between Garvey and Cary Grant. Beyond the obvious connection that they are/were both very handsome men, they have another connection ... just as Garvey is not in the HOF, Cary Grant never won an Academy Award ... other than a honorary lifetime contribution award he was given late in his life.
The reason Cary Grant never won an Academy Award is that his critics felt that he made things look too effortless. They felt he was just being himself on the screen and not really "acting". Well, maybe this is part of Garvey's problem ... i.e., it just looked way too easy for him out there. It's like it was just effortless for him.
Well, I would contend that that is exactly why he SHOULD be in the HOF ... very few players can make it look easy, which we all know it isn't. Great interview!
Huh? If it was so effortless for him why, as a 1st baseman, didn't he hit more than 272 career homeruns?
www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
Steve Garvey is like the Paul McCartney of baseball. Charming, a bit arrogant, comes off as really good guy. Don Sutton couldn't stand him. Garvey was my favorite Dodger growing up. He didn't hit the home runs, I remember Dodger Stadium being a tough place to hit homers back in the 1970s, but he was almost always clutch in the post season and he was best or one of best first basemen in game during his era. S/b in hall of fame.
Chris, that Garvey/Cary Grant comment you made sometime ago: YOU NAILED IT !!!!
@@tonylaughlin6663 Paul McCartney is well-liked and in the Hall of Fame
@@dallasbrubaker6054 Yes he is. Garvey s/b in baseball HOF.
I went to Steve Carltons induction ceremony back in 94 with my girlfriends brother. When leaving, there was a crowd if people surrounding someone getting autographs. As people left, I could see people were just sticking things in his face to sign. It was crazy. After signing every one, Steve walked with us a few blocks back to downtown Cooperstown and just talking. He was a really cool guy. My one comment was...oh my God, the people were just shoving stuff right in your face to sign. He said yeah, it comes with the territory. I then took a picture of him and my friend and we left. Class act all the way and should be in the hall of fame. A few years later, my friend ran into him again and got that picture autographed.
Steve Garvey definitely belongs in the Hall of fame.
a lot of Reds fans here thinking what I'm thinking. I am from LA and saw many Reds/Dodgers games at Dodger Stadium in the 70s and 80s. Garvey was a beast against us and everyone else.
Steve Garvey and Pete Rose Both should be in the HOF Rose as Player nuff Said Not as a Manager Might you. Garvey holds a League and ASG MVP and NL Record for Consecutive Games ( 4th All Time) 10x All Star and Holds the Record in winning all those 10 ASGs put Garvey and Rose in the HOF
Winning All- Star Games pretty much don't mean diddly.
It did then. They played all out. Now? Different era..
Steve was one of my favorite players. A no nonsense type guy that took care of business. Nice to see him looking well. I agree with the others, he should be in the hall of fame.
My first little league season, I was up there trying to look just like Steve Garvey :) Took me a few years to fully forgive my Dodgers for letting MY Dodger leave...... Hope to get your autograph on my cracked Steve Garvey bat one of these days Steve!
When one thinks of the topical Dodger player, what comes to my mind is someone that's good looking well built that could be a hollywood movie actor......thats Steve Garvey!..
And a Damn Good player!!!
That Steve and Pete aren’t in the Hall of Fame is a tragedy beyond measure!! Salute to both Legends!!🫡
When I started following baseball as a kid in the late 1970's, Steve Garvey was one of those great stars in the game whom everyone readily assumed would make the Hall of Fame. He had great seasons year after year and would make all the magazine covers as one of the most talked about stars in the game.
But he hasn't made Cooperstown. I'm still wondering about others such as Dave Parker, Thurman Munson, Fred Lynn and Dick Allen, too. At least one of them (Munson at least) should have made it.
Garvey says here that he never fought with a pitcher. But in 1978, he did engage in a lockeroom brawl with teammate Don Sutton after a major disagreement between them. The funny thing is, after that fight, the Dodgers got hot and started winning and eventually took the NL West from the Reds and Giants. Only ballplayers can explain such things.
9:11 "I might run for Senate here."
I'm a Reds fan, boy these guys were though to play every year & he may have been there best player, by far ! So, not a Dodgers fan, but, with that said, this guy should have been in by now ?
Garvey is one cool guy. Should be in the Hall.
Mr smooth mr class And what a great great player he was and very clutch
Garvey does not have 3,000 hits, does not have 300 home runs, does not have a .300 career BA and has "only" 1,300+ RBI. He does have an MVP Award and has a WS ring, plus 10 AS Games. His postseason numbers are great also. He was the model of consistency, and it does seem like he ought to be in the HOF. Maybe missing those benchmark numbers has hurt him.
Gravey was the 1974 NL MVP I believe
Greatest first baseman, ever
Um, that would be wrong
He was my hero in the day, love this guy as much as pete rose, baseball is screwed up, to day is a good example, was'nt dusty baker a gamber
Sure is. Guys can roid up and cheat and get in the Hall. Guys can flagrantly cheat(Astros) and MLB will leave them alone. But Pete is left out of the Hall. Ok, I'll stop there.
The Hall of Fame is a scam, Steve Garvey is a first ballot Hall of Famer for sure
Not quite.
@@ThekiBoran yes. Quite
Scam? Why Garvey?
not a scam, trustworthy process. I myself feel that Garvey should be in, then I check baseball reference and see that there are 49 1st baseman ranked above him.
Like him or not, his anecdote about his day as a batboy was terrific. Very relatable.
This Cincinnati Reds fan always loved Steve Garvey. A phenomenal player and a class act. Unbelievable at this point he wasn't in the Hall. Also, as a native of Tampa, as was Garvey, how did the Reds, who trained in Tampa, miss Steve Garvey back in the day? Lol!
I loved the Craig Lefferts story. LMAO!
I can't believe Steve Garvey is not in the hall of Fame
As a 1st baseman his 272 homeruns are what has kept him out of the hall.
I think he should be in.
I know shows need sponsors (and Hawaiian rolls are yummy) but you the stack of snacks on the set can't help but make me giggle.
Voluntary exchange, better than communism.
Garvey has all the components of a hall of famer. Even Bill James in his 1994/95 book predicted Garvey to get elected in 1997. James was nearly correct about many on his prediction list, give or take a year or two.
Steve Garvey, class act.
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Good interview. Did anyone from those Dodger teams of the 70's get into the hall of fame? Maybe a picture like Don Sutton? They had good solid teams but few had the stats to warrant HOF consideration. I think Steve should be in there. I hope he makes it someday.
Good question. You know, I don't think any of them did. The manager LaSorda did.
I just assumed Garv was in hall. I'm shocked to know this. One of the best players in the game for a decade. WTF? Who'd he piss off? He was premier. He was a bit vain and a bit of a cad, but he had good reasons. He was a stud. Strong. Confident. Captain America player. Perennial all-star. A world champ. Legendary Gang of Four infield. Celebrity couple with ex-wife. He and Joe Theisman are cut from the same cloth. He blew his political aspirations with the news of having "impregnated" (his words at the time) a couple of chics outta wedlock. They might be hold'n it against him 'cause he was such a slayer. Hey Hall of Fame; get with it. Everybody else knows.
It's the position. an offensive position, he didn't amass 3000 hits or 500 home runs. That's kind of the benchmark for HOF 1st basemen. Great career though, and memorable player. For that, he'd get my vote.
@@mikeshoe74 Didn't know about his 3K and 500 stats. Word up.
@@cordellsenior9935 Interesting tidbit, the only 1st baseman to get in the HOF between Tony Perez (1965) and Frank Thomas (1990) is Eddie Murray. Tough position to get in.
@@mikeshoe74 How many Hall of Famers amassed 3000 hits? Garvey hit for power, not singles and doubles.
@@michaelbee2165 Garvey would get my vote. He's a 10 time All Star, the list of 10 time All Stars NOT in the HOF is very thin. However, when you compare Garvey to Hall of Fame 1st baseman who did get voted in during or after his era, his numbers fall short of those guys....Eddie Murray, Jeff Bagwell, Jim Thome, Frank Thomas, soon to be Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera.....Unfortunately 1st baseman get compared to 1st baseman when it comes to the HOF
I'm also a Red's fan. Garvey wasn't a first ballot HOFer? You're joking. Great player, one of the best of the 70's. Things like this make the HOF less legitimate. They obviously have a bad selection system.
Garvey s/b in Hall of Fame.
Son of a bitch?
200 hits three years in a row...twice.
I hated the Dodgers, so was obviously not a fan of Garvey but it's ridiculous that he's not in the HOF.
And it just got a whole lot more ridiculous with Harold Baines and Lee Smith in there. Garvey should have gotten in no later than 5th year of eligibility. So it's 20 years overdue.
Career WAR of 38.1. Solid, but a little short of HOF.
@@evomorales666 ...that indicates to me the inadequacy of the measurement, not of the player. WAR would have us believe that Roy White had a better career than Garvey, Lou Brock, Tony Oliva, Dizzy Dean, Dale Murphy, etc.
These relief pitchers in the hall of fame are ridiculous. They barely pitch 1000 innings in their career! Roger Clemens pitch more than 5000 when you count post-season.
I think that players like Garvey aren't too concerned about the HOF with the recent bozos that they are letting in. He probably laughs about it..
Agreed on Baine. Great player and good for him but not quite HOF.
Lee Smith though, was dominant closing for a bad to mediocre Cubs team in the 80's. His numbers took a hit there. (Pun unintended)
Vote him in. Great player.
That 70’s Dodger infield was great
Walter Alston was wise to move Garvey from 3b to 1b. I'm not going to get into a numbers debate but Garvey was a winner a great clutch player I think most Reds fans would agree and he was first class all the way.
This Reds fan, of that day, couldn't agree more.
class act
Garvey was at the top of the list of all-star players back in that era. I was also surprised to hear that he wasn't in the hall of fame. His numbers must have really dropped off to not make it.
Wow,not in hof!Something wrong,he was one of the best players I have ever seen.Being a reds fan I saw him a lot.
I am a
Yankees fan but believe this guy belongs in the hall
I'm still genuinely puzzled as to why he's not in the hof. He needs to be in there.
Steve Garvey belongs in the classist player's hall of fame. Unanimous first ballot inductee.
I'm so conflicted about Garvey. I have a whole bunch of his rookie cards and cherish them. His stats are impressive. I'm not impressed by arrogance. Always thought he exuded that trait. Not sure I see that now. Just seems more like confidence. I don't have a problem with that....
He definitely was an above average player but not quite a HOF'er. Stats don't lie. Which stat or stats make him a HOF'er?
www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garvest01.shtml
@Fleck Smugbrother
Arrogant? I want him as my first baseman. Any day.
Smiley "everybody loves the guy" stuff . Who cares.
Usually an act anyway.Big San Francisco Giant fan . Bonds is my guy. Arrogance and all
Throw in Albert Bell and Gary Sheffield- Arrogant and comic strip good.
Arrogance
My idol
If he was a second basemen, no question he's in. Too much emphasis on power at 1B hurts his case.
Another perfect example of why I don't understand why baseball's HOF is treated seriously: Garvey's not in, Dave Parker's not in, all these fantastically accomplished guys who plain weren't good enough because of stats...despite all of us having eyes. Then the all time hit and home run kings aren't in!!!!! Baseball is a cartel: the owners and their commissioner, the sanctimonious writers, and HOF legends who quite frankly are protecting their earning power on the autograph circuit...it's why baseball's appeal will continue to recede and the HOF is a circle jerk.
78bcat There’s no rational explanation as to why Dave Parker is not in.
Loved the Pine Tar Story. White Bronco 🤣
He's not in the Hall because of those purple socks
Garvey Rose and Mattingly Hands down should all be in the HOF ..
No fan of Garvey, but belongs in the Hall, and I thought he was in.
Deserves to be in the hall. There are too many voters who just dont take it seriously enough or are uneducated about the game. Never forget hearing some years back that Jerry Remy, a utility infielder for the Red Sox got one vote for the hall. I couldn't believe that there was someone so blind to how important a vote could be.
Wonderful guest some people just know how to come across
Uh, yeah...he's a fraud. The great con artists know how to come across - - that's why they're great con artists. That is why he's never gotten into the Hall of Fame and will never get into the Hall of Fame. He is a vile, rotten human being that has screwed everybody, and I'm not even talking about the broads and 180 kids.
He's a right wing Republican, and sportswriters tend not to regard such players warmly. That's perhaps one reason he can't get the HoF votes. Then there was the matter of his extra-curricular family and complicated romantic life. Garvey had always cultivated an image as a strait-laced, monogamous guy, and when the truth came out, it looked a lot worse than had he been an acknowledged hell-raiser. He seemed hypocritical- a phony. These things shouldn't affect his status as a ball-player. He was a mainstay of some very good teams over a long career, with many big achievements to his name. The other stuff shouldn't matter when it comes to the Hall. Should he go in? I don't know. But he shouldn't be kept out for the wrong reasons.
Yeah I agree that all that may be true but what I think has a lot to do with it is most of the HOF voters are in the East and really don't follow the western teams like they should because of the time difference. Especially back in the 60's and 70's. Back then it was as if the west coast teams were the part of the minor leagues. Look how much time the sports channels today give the New York and Boston teams compared to the West in all sports not just baseball. I don't blame them, it's where most of their audience is. But a HOF candidate shouldn't be ignored just because he's not in the headlines that are written hours before the west coast games end. The voters need to do look deeper than just stats. He put people in the seats and that should count for something. His private life aside he did a lot for baseball. Put him in.
Yeah, you mention a lot of crap that has nothing to do with his career on the field. Then like a phony claim he shouldnt be left out of the Hall for the "wrong reasons. Uh, no. You want him left our for the very reasons you so diligently outlined. 🙄 Piss off.
He is a Hall of famer bar none
That’s how it’s done...
how in the hell can he say rose should be in the HOF. Hell even Johnny Bench said rose shouldn't. Maybe thats the knock on him is that he promotes rose into the HOF when rose will never be in it
“Do you tell many people that?”
Joe Morgan kills out Steve Garvey and Maury Wills chance. Garvey a great and really nice guy.
Steve Garvey not in HOF but Harolds Baines gets in go figure.
Best to forget the Baines thing ever happened. There's about 200 people who should have gotten in before him, and I like Baines, who doesn't....just not a HOF'r