Exodus l The Resleevables #20 l Magic: The Gathering History MTG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Cedric Phillips and Patrick Sullivan are here for their deep dive on Magic's fourteenth expansion - Exodus!
The duo dissect the final set in Rath cycle, with their thoughts on the Oaths, a deep dive on the sets' pre-constructed decks, and why Exodus contains one of the worst designs of all time.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
4:35 Facts
33:38 Lore
45:50 Mechanics
1:00:24 Cycles
1:10:25 Trivia
1:40:21 Awards Show
1:54:30 Grade
2:09:48 Card Image Gallery
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Credits:
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The two tournament comentator goats collaborating on a long form review of every expansion in the game is the pinnacle of mtg podcasts.
Honestly, it really is. I hope more enfranchised players see and watch this content, as it's pure gold.
It literally just is, and these guys are without any doubt the goats
"Mirri Cat Warrior counts as a Cat Warrior" is my all-time favourite text on a Magic card
I really enjoy that Patrick is able to articulate very well why broken cards are badly designed beyond just being bad for the game. Flowstone Flood being a standout bad design because it creates UNFUN games from the very core of its design makes perfect sense, and conversely it's very fair to say that Survival of the Fittest is a great DESIGN even though it's too powerful, because it is a very fun idea and execution with just too few things to keep it in check. Top tier analysis.
Also that Survival is good because it asks you to brew up a deck that can break it while Oath of Druids is bad because it punishes your opponent for playing the game normally. That's the #1 thing I've learned from Patrick in this series -- early MTG was loaded with cards that punished people for playing the game and they didn't figure out to stop doing that for many years.
Feels like the negative of Flowstone Flood influenced Exodus' rating more than the positive of rarity symbol colors' debut. That was a HUGE quality-of-life upgrade that helped prevent fleecing of newbies trading their dual lands for Craw Wurms.
How much of a boost can you give the set for rarity symbols? It's not like those symbols had anything to do with the plot or design of Exodus. It's a really good idea that just happened to debut with Exodus. The ratings are based more on the design and development of what the cards do.
Another strike against Workhorse is that the art depicts the titular Workhorse with a glowing gem inside it for each color of mana, but the card only allows you to generate colorless mana. It makes me wonder if there was an earlier design where you could remove the counters to make any color of mana, but they changed it at the last minute. Or if this card was just to use up some leftover art from another card that got killed completely and "artifact creature that makes mana somehow" was close enough to what was being shown.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was something silly originally like, "Add one mana from the following colours: white, blue, red, or green. You may not choose the same colour more than once per game."
I'm so happy you played that Price of Progress clip. I think of Patrick every time I see that card.
Its interesting that what we now call "the retro frame" is introduced in Exodus in summer of 1998 and was only the standard until Scourge in spring of 2003. The thing that many players consider to be the look of a "real" magic card was only a thing for a relatively brief period in the games early history.
The Exodus frame is only a minor update to the Mirage frame, just adding the rarity symbols and centered bottom. That doesn't constitute a frame change in most people's eyes because nothing essential to game information moved nor did anything change size. Further, the Mirage frame is pretty close to the Beta frame in that it has the same border and box widths. Font sizes vary widly on the Beta frame and they finally quit doing that with Mirage, which had a much smaller range of font sizes, something they've continued to this day. From Arabian Nights on, a frame with a thinner border is used (it matches the border used on the current frame) and the color saturation varies over time until it's finally unified in Mirage. Scryfall does mark 1993 and 1997 frames as different (even though the 1997 frame came out in 1996 with Mirage....) and you can search on that, but I don't think most players consider the two entirely new frames.
So I'd argue that the "retro frame" as we call it today is really the Mirage frame, but I think most players think of pre-Mirage frames as retro as well since the differences between them are pretty small and the frame is 90% the same from Beta until Scourge.
@@JD-gk7eh I'm using the standards introduced in Exodus to define the "retro" card frame because it's the way that wotc prints cards now when they print "retro" framed cards. It's not that it was a huge shift in the way the frame looked prior but it is what many in the community (myself included, really) seem to think is the ideal form of a magic card and that standard really only existed for 5 years.
@@Cthuski For most people its the same frame. Like, if you ask magic players, 90% of them will not even know the frame changed really except for the rarity symbol.
@denissinner4625 all I'm saying is when they print retro framed cards, the look that they are going for was the standard only between 98 and 03. It would be noticeable if they printed a new card into a frame that was made to look like it was from 94
It is interesting -- that said these old frames will always be what magic looks like to me :)
Best pod, no contest.
Dominator and Groundbreaker were my first decks. Had a friend who refused to play against either. "It has how many counterspells? / It has how much land destruction?". Good times.
Something interesting about Tempest block to me is that even though the blocks main mechanics fell flat, there are so many iconic individual designs that just have a Tempest-block vibe to me. I didn't start playing until 2015 and I can still look at a card like Survival of the Fittest, Oath of Druids, or Pandemonium and say "that's a Tempest block card", in a way I can't with a lot of the other older blocks. Maybe it's because its one of the few pre-Modern blocks that took place off Dominaria and that just gives everything a certain aesthetic, I'm not entirely sure to be honest.
I love this set, used to play four of cards like Oath of Druids and Coat of Arms. Specifically I remember opening a City of Traitors and thinking it was unbelievably bad since it was destroyed when playing the next land, and I threw it into my bulk bin. When I resumed MTG 20 years later in 2018 I went straight to my bin and digged through some thousand cards just to find this gem of a card!
That Pat Sullivan vs Loss Merriam clip is what got me hooked on to legacy, thank you so much!
Fun fact: they made the expansion symbol large tomake sure you could differentiate the rarity indication. They found later that was unnecessary, that’s why the German Exodus cards have a smaller expansion symbol.
I had a inkling that that was the case.
Whoo! I have watched all 19 episodes in the past 3 weeks
You are a nerd
there's a manga, of all things, set during this time of MTG history. the protagonist plays a mono black deck with Hatred. we get to watch our cast of middle schoolers go through the combo winter. fun stuff
Not my first set played, but the first set I bought product for rather than playing out of a shoebox of a friend's older brother's hand me downs. So excited that we're entering this era. You boys are doing outstanding work.
Dominating Licid was the best card in limited in the set, fwiw. Slaughter sounds better, but being able to Control Magic your opponent's best creature whenever you wanted was absolutely bananas pants on head broken.
When I started playing in Urza block, I remember buying 2 packs of Exodus that had many duplicated rares inside, one of the packs had 2 Ertai, don't remember the exact amount of rares, but all the boosters from this box were like that, I showed to my friends and they bought the rest of the boosters, it was wild.
More people need to like and subscribe to this channel! If they don’t, it will be a disgrace to magic the gathering.
yeah this is easily in the top 5 of MTG content at the moment, deserves at least 100K subs (not everybody is into old magic sets, hence the modest number)
Years ago, I went to my LGS Commander night and some guy killed me right out of the pod with Hatred on turn 4 or 5. I didn't go to Commander night much after that, but for other reasons, mostly yoga on the same night and I was more interested in limited on FNM. Then the pandemic happened and I stopped going to LGSes altogether. A few months ago I'm prepping for a CEDH tournament and one of my friends says there's a CEDH table at Commander night, let's go there. So I do, sit down and one of the player goes, "I don't know if you remember, but years ago, I killed you with Hatred" and I was like "I do remember that, it was awesome!" Hatred makes memories, such a fun card.
Hatred is such a sweet commander card, shame it's so expensive now
I saw the Crumbl Cookies box with the big X on it and remembered the delivery of "rather have a chips ahoy." Had to pause the video to compose myself.
amazing episode to listen and watch while at work, also really appreciated and loved the card gallery at the end - that was wonderful
I would love to see a gameplay segment or a separate video in these where each of you reconstruct a theme deck or the upgraded versions and pit them against each other. The gameplay is really fun in the tourney episodes.
@1:08:51 That may be the most laugh out loud moment I've seen in this series. Well done!
1:43:54 Song of Serenity turns any creature enchantment into a Pacifism -- for example, Wanderlust or Takklemaggot. Changes the value of a whole class of underplayed cards.
Patrick ranting about a bad card design is always my favorite.
Loved another episode. Great to hear that you guys are going for the portal and unglue set. It’s good for the rest of us to understand these odd sets. And we always love your input.
Exodus was my very first pre-release, at Neutral Ground no less. All that means is that I'm old haha.
I love that price of progress clip cause when I first watched it I didn’t know why you wouldn’t just hit him with the spell then I saw the waste but you had no non basics then I realized he could waste HIMSELF it was so cool and idk how you saw that on first glance
Thanks for the fun episode. I’ll probably watch the rest of them. Exodus is the first set I bought a box of.
Oath of Lieges is a pretty fun commander card! It really helps move the game forward by letting everyone catch up on mana and make sure no one gets too far out front with that. It's one of the best cards to take away green ramp's advantages (which get exploited by the social rule of "don't touch lands, ever").
@@Lucarioguild7 You clearly have the wrong card. Oath of Lieges costs 1W. That's not "in green." It puts basic lands into play and has nothing to do with creatures.
@@JD-gk7eh Wow that's what I get for arguing on the Internet right before bed lol
@@Lucarioguild7 It happens to all of us. :p With that, you should try Oath of Lieges sometime. My group has enjoyed the card when I've cast it. It helps keep the parity of the game going pretty well and we've found it to help nicely. I suppose there is the case where one player can get ahead on mana with it if he's got no lands and a lot of mana rocks but this isn't as common (plus casting all those rocks takes time and so that player still falls behind).
Found yall from a twitter post. So glad I did. Great content! Time to binge watch all of these
Oath of Druids is a real powerhouse in the Premodern format. So many sweet decks around this incredible piece of cardboard.
Thanks for the show guys
Good show. Thank you 2:13:15
Awesome episode as usual.
Really liked the idea of showing nominees.
Have you considered showing the nominees before the winners in future episodes? (for some "major" categories at least)
Surprised you didn’t mention Mind Over Matter with The One Ring. Caused a small buyout when Lotr was spoiled/released
Also Niv Mizzet and Curiosity going brrrrrrr in commander is totally a thing and deserves a mention
Great show thank you!
Lol Cedric stuck in 2014
Can't wait!
U/G madness, suicide black, oath, recurring nightmare, survival of the fittest, the rock, all cards and decks mentioned… all legal in premodern. If you ever get the chance to play that format, I STRONGLY suggest you take it. It’s incredibly fun.
Fun Fact. Neurok Stealthsuit is currently the most expensive card in the Cranial Plating cycle.
Why’s that??
@@r4v4g3r It's a combination of Commander players driving prices (there's something appealing about shroud at instant speed apparently) and the fact that Cranial Plating has been printed 30-something times and is no longer worth anything.
SLAM Magazine was amazing. Love Starbury. I want that shirt.
Widowmaker was a cool deck. I learned a lot about Magic losing to that deck that one of my friends had
Almost of all of the cards in the precons advanced decks that were able to be reprinted were reprinted in 6th. The decks gave information about the coming set. Hammer of Bogardan, Perish, Orgg, Uktabi Orangutan, Earthquake, City of Brass, and pain land were all in 6th. Non reserve list of course
I see the Some Offcell Voices combo LP in the background, very nice.
ah man, I was getting boxes of Urza block sets at $55 through the store I worked at in NY
1:32:30 Stallone like "over the top" moment! classic!!
the one strike against slaughter is that in Rath cycle limited you cant really tap out and pay 4 life quite often. there were too many shadow 2 drops that you just never get blocked that create a for the time very uncharacteristic fast paced environment.
Love this set and love this show
Welkin hawk was my jam before Squad Hawks was a thing
Rarity colours! Let's goooo
Please play Premodern on camera guys, Oath and Recurring Nightmare are legal there!
Why Cedric always have the best shirts
(Patrick's shirts are great too)
I learned today that cranial plating was part of a cycle
This was the last mainline set I collected when it was current. I had quit playing by this point. I give this 5 on your scale -- slightly below average (on a 1 to 10 scale the average is 5.5). It gets a bonus for the rartiy symbols and card numbering. As a set independent of those I'd give it a 4. Now I get to watch this and see if you agree. The stroy is still hokey, but as long as you ignore the comics, it's less annoying than Weatherlight -- just.
We made it to rarity colors!!!
This is the history right before my time that captured my imagination.
Nominees in the award show is great!
Flowstone Flood + Monstrous Hound 😍
10:58 who’s gonna break the news to cedric?
My complaint with Exodus isn't that they ran out of ideas, but rather that it seems they went into the set without a clear design goal in mind. The main idea seemed to be "it's the third set in the block" but they made no attempt to innovate on any of the existing designs, mechanics, or themes. They just set out to make more cards. They did a good job of translating the story to the CARDS, but there doesn't seem to have been any focus put on asking how that story translates to a SET. There's just no cohesive vision.
I think Workhorse is especially weird since it clearly has 5 different colors of gems inside it in the art but only adds colorless mana is 🤔
You said they never went back with the rarity in the set symbols, but the very next set had the old black and white set symbols - Portal Second Age
Not a real set
Will there be a mini-episode for Vanguard?
Wooo! 🎉🎉
Song of Serenity would've been good in the modern Bogles meta
Did I miss something in the story? Where did Urza come from?
Yay!
Oh, its 1998! I'm finally aliveeeee
Sad that Entropic Specter wasn’t given an award for art. Ron Spencer absolutely killed it on an unfortunately bad card.
Yep, but can i confess i didn't love Spencer's art, as a whole? I know I know.....
@@jondorsey2043 his black cards are the ones that really shine. His depictions of nature/humans are a little too comics aligned
@@chaddt As a lifelong comic book fan, i feel you!
YEEESSSSSS!!!
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Thought it released today and I keep checking 😢😢
So funny story... I did go to GP philly and swapped from Sligh to Suicide black and i was 3-0 until i hit 2 straight WW match ups
Manabond still sees play in 8Mulch in legacy
Had no idea that the art for Censorship was Keeper of the Mind, or that the original art looked like that. 😆
Who would even get that joke, unless you worked for Wizards?
Unglued is largely full of insider jokes
@@chiblast100x I think without consulting with someone who actually worked on the set, it would be difficult to even compile every single reference on every card. You get the ones you get, but if there's something you don't, you might not even know it. You could understand some obvious joke, but not realize there's a second inside joke in the art, or the flavor text, or whatever. Unhinged is probably even more difficult in this regard.
Though at this point, I would assume that someone, somewhere has accounted for every reference? Not sure if such a thing exists.
Look, I'm just saying, I would not be mad about 12 hour episodes
I don't know my blood type either. If anyone asks I just tell them it is... red.
They made a magic expansion about that Bob Marley record? Universes beyond has gone too far.
Dominaria changed the commons to white instead of black and that didn’t stick around long
The fallout set also had guns.
You can't spell erratic without ertai!
SOON
Would a legacy deck play forbidden orchard if oath of druids was legacy legal?
yes, it’s the best enabler for oath in the game
The only bad thing about this podcast is that it's only once a month.
I don't understand how you guys come to the conclusions about Gerard that you do, it's really baffling how no matter what he does you guys try to twist it into him being a monster.
It's a combination of "applying modern behavioral standards to fictional tropes makes you look cleverer than the author" and "straight white men are always safe targets". They would never put such a hostile interpretation on every move if Jolrael were the main character and taking the same actions.
@@karlk5801 Maybe, but it seems like there's a genuine hatred there and it feels very bigoted from Patrick's side of things. I was never really a fan of Gerard as a character, mostly because I thought he was less interesting than Urza and others, but I really can't understand how someone listens to the story of Gerard making a difficult decisions of leaving a friend behind to assure the survival of the world and twists it into Gerard being privileged and egotistical to the point of malice. I don't think I'll be coming back to this podcast, I liked the trivia and history, but the constant seething by Patrick makes it unwatchable.
Pretty cool pinback discs displayed :)
Squeeeee!
Not until Mercadian Masques.
Hahahaha
Only one problem. Reprint the reserved list!!! Hear hear!!! Charge!!!
Mind over Matter getting no love, yet powering the most nonsense MoMA decks in the following block...
I wish you guys would get a commander TH-cam creator to show up as a special guest to talk about commander stuff, just a little drop in video or something.
please god no
@@giggz1667 A 15 second acknowledgement of a format that they have no expertise in would be fine
Oath of druids is legal in premodern and it's soooooooooooooooooo lame.
but bad ads
Best pod, no contest.