Good luck finding a Toyota dealership in the USA that doesn't want to financially molest you with prices well exceeding the MSRP on the OEM website builder tool.
^^ There is a toyota in Oakland that has a huge 270ft by 70ft banner saying "NEVER PAY OVER MSRP". I had a friend get quoted 54k out of the door for the new prius. LOLLL
Longo Toyota, El Monte, Ca. MSRP only. $500 deposit. The line is long. I am in it for a 2025 Prime XSE. My 2005 Gen 2 turns 20yrs old. She's taken care of me very, very well.
@@syawkcab Oh I know. My US built 2018 Camry has been... hmmm.. wonderful? Can't think of any issues whatsoever. Can't even foresee anything coming up. It's just like every other Toyota I've owned for the past 48 years. In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say it's been the best Toyota I've ever owned. I don't think you can go wrong with Toyota's no matter where they're made.
I'm very happy with my Prius Prime. When I saw the new designs and that the EV would be 40 miles I was sold: I just had to keep checking the Toyota site everyday to see an availability (in SE US, that has less allocations). Even though I'm in Atlanta, it was still a scavenger hunt: I finally did see a Premium trim that wasn't black (it's red) and I went up to make a deposit the day it was posted. To this day, the Primes are rare in the SE....but I think they're really the best for most people. I can run a full EV for a daily drive in Atlanta (charge standard electric overnight), and then when I want to drive interstate, I can go gas hybrid (because more of the region in the SE is all gas stations). I bought my Prime with cash...the only main thing I found the the Toyota dealerships is that now they're really pushing maintenance plans. I elected to decline with the dealership that was out of my way, and glad I did also as I had issues with a bubble in protective film, and I also had to take several trips to get my second FOB. So I did pay for an oil change with my first service: since that is important with the gas engines. It was $60. I know folks like to go on about service life of a Tesla vs other cars. Thinking the rest of my 2 years, I'll just keep with my complimentary service. I've seen that there are Tesla owners having to spend a lot of money replacing battery trains...and my head scratcher, why does Tesla insist you have to go through a menu in order to open the glove box?
Still the best EV/Hybrid on the market IMO. Makes more sense than going full EV and dealing with the messy charging infrastructure. I'm personally waiting for the GR edition. I want a little bit more power under that hood so driving can be more fun.
It can get pretty fun as it stands with the 220 hp. The Prius Prime has surprisingly good off the mark speed from a standing start even in EV only mode. Once they get denser batteries, your dream car might come true, but that won't be for another 5 years at least.
Great review! Thank you for dumbing down (for lack of a better term) the actual numbers of EV cost per mile. I think many do not realize just how far they would have to drive to actually break even for the added $$. Great job and happy Memorial day weekend!
Most excellent choice, for you shall taste the EV greatness and perhaps join the PHEV “avoid using the gas engine as much as possible” club. Data point. Electric drive is cheaper to operate EV mode does not “idle,” EV mode is quiet, EV mode’s “refueling” costs are invisible being part of the electric bill. Lastly, the ever so important convenience factor. Less visits to a gas station AND parts stores. So many have deduced that IF my daily/weekly/monthly drives are all under 40 miles AND the fuel purchased months ago is in the rank, why buy gasoline at all? Then, they get the EV concept. 2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV; 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 EV. It is deliriously satisfying not buying ga$$$-o-lean and not giving my money to hungry super rich oil companies. Best of luck. :)
its a 2011 chevy volt, but instead of costing 7k it costs 8 times as much. just think of all the money you wont be saving. oh yeah theres depreciation while old volts keep increasing in value for some reason.
Love the no nonsense review. The standard hybrid seems to be the winning combination. Toyota is making a significant commitment to non plug in hybrids across the entire Camry lineup, Honda is doing the same with the Civic dropping their 1.5T motor in favour of 2.0l hybrid setup found in the Accord.
You tower over that car. It must be fun to get in and out of for a tall person. Plus it sounds pretty noisy. Think I'd wait for a new 2025 Camry just for comfort's sake.
The new Prius Prime is actually quieter than previous models. In the video you hear the CVT sound because he's flooring it, but normally you only hear it drone for a few seconds. You don't hear that sound as you're already cruising at 75 mph. I would say it's not a huge issue for people 6'-3" or under, especially in the front seat. It does have a slightly lower roof line than my 2004 Prius. I noticed the difference, but now I don't think about it.
Great review. I have a Toyota Prius PHEV 2020 in the UK, and I agree with you. However, this PHEV makes more sense if you do a lot of miles and I mean well over 16K per annum and you charge it at home daily. This is the way I use the car.
I would buy a Tesla 3 over this Prime. I have the 2022 Prius Prime model and is cheaper to run than current gen. And bigger. I paid almost half new for the 2022. Could not justify the price difference to Tesla then, now the Prime doesn’t make any sense financially. New Zealand
@@alexdhutanuexcept what you're getting with the Toyota that Tesla has yet to prove is reliability. The battery warranty on this model is an additional 2 years or 60000 km extra. So that tells you that they are really standing behind their battery and that it'll at least last 10 years.
Orrrrr… you can buy a used low miles Prius, Prius C, Prius V and call it a day for 50 ish MPG all day everyday at a significantly lower entry point than a new one or go for the gusto and upgrade a used Prius battery yourself with common tools for $2.5k out the door and realistically achieve 60 mpg (Prius C). Ask me how I know! 😎
But the drive and power of the new Prius is way beyond anything you can experience on any of the older models. It's in a different class now. Closer to a entry level luxury car.
Only the front doors and tailgate get it on the XSE (not the rear doors)! I only brought up the nuance here with SE because Ive never seen that kind of omission before with a proxy key setup🥸
@@RealistickAgree it’s a huge problem for SE, and that’s why XSE may be a very worthwhile upgrade, especially with its much nicer wheels (and home link garage door opener, Softex faux leather, parking assist, and 1/2” extra ground clearance).
@@Realistick Also convenience, waking up to a full "tank" every morning and never visiting a gas station (Volt owner here). Some luxury benefits too in NVH, but the real luxury is time in not having to fill up.
You ignore the fact that a Prime can recover energy a standard Prius cannot. The Prime's 13.8 kWh battery is a true reservoir. The standard 1.1 kWh is a mode transition holding tank. A Prime can run intra-city for weeks without turning on the ICE. Avoiding the less efficient warm-up cycles ICE requires. My standard Prius with its 1.3kWh battery can descend only 200ft before fully charged. It wastes the rest of the energybon longer descents. Yes, I realize the Prime is about 300lbs heavier. So, require more energy to climb. LiOn said to lose 5% capacity per year. Guess I'll find out when I get my 2025 Prime. The line for them is quite long.
At best, in some scenarios it will match the mileage of the regular car when operating as a hybrid. You should be buying this to use it as an EV to begin with! I ran that calculation with 95 percent electric usage too, it still takes 200k miles to break even, but you’ll be reducing your carbon footprint so the trees and I thank you😎
@@RealistickI guess it really depends on the person when my power company offers in EV plan reduces rates to 4 cents per kilowatt hour late at night till early in the morning, combined with the factor the regular pruis breaks do wear out while prime huge regen means I have basically no break wear means that maintenance cost are cheaper on the prime, making my break even point five and a half years just with gas but with other maintenance cost savings factored in, the break even point is much closer to 4 years so I'll be saving money for the additional 6 years I have that car
@@Realistick You can get a rebate of $1,000 in California. I wouldn't be surprised if other states also had rebates. That would lower the break even point. Of course, the older Prius Prime did qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit until they changed the law recently. That sucked. Many EVs as well no longer qualify that once did. It's one reason that EV sales have not kept going higher. It was a huge mistake. All to appease conservative Democrats.
The added price of the Prius Prime would take a driver 271,000 miles of driving to make up the added $5,000 cost of the Prius Prime over the regular Prius. But look at the base Toyota Corolla, it cost $7,000 less than the regular Prius, and it gets 41 mpg highway vs the Prius's 56 mpg highway. So if you are using these vehicles to commute to work and almost all of your driving is on the highway, the Prius would have to drive approximately 285,700 miles to equal the $7,000 price difference through fuel savings compared to the Base Corolla. That's why I would simply buy a base Toyota Corolla and not worry about the Prius.
Just curious cause I’d love to use your math when car shopping, Do you Have a formula or more detailed explanation of how you got your numbers? Cuase I’m looking for a commuter car and EVs / PHEV/s
Idk about that. Charging at night puts my total per kwh at 0.04 cents at the night discounted rate. 13.6 kwh with 20 % reserved on each end puts usable capacity at slightly under 9 kwh. I will use 100% of the 44 miles daily so that puts me at $645 in fuel costs for driving 5 years daily 44 miles. Regular pruis is $4760 at local fuel prices of $3.3 So for me I breakeven at year 6 and I keep cars for a decade. Also, I breakeven much faster because of dramatically reduced maintenance cost due to running in ev only mode and 5 years out, my brake pads are still completely full, hybrids have little regen so use less brakes, the prime has a much larger regen so physical brakes almost never get used
Also the combined of the corolla is 35 mpg, making the fuel cost $7600 over 5 years while also requiring more frequent oil changes and brake pad changes which the prime will probably last the life of the car, combining those 2 figures makes the difference much smaller so for my use case, it makes sense either way to go prime
Is this based on using it as a regular hybrid or EV only? California gas averages (from recent times) $5.50 a gallon so it's easy to save with the Prime's plug-in capabilities I'd imagine.
Great review and good personality. One thing to think about is the extra money for a prime is not just gone forever. If it cost $5K more new it may be worth $5K more used or could be $7K more used... or only $3K more. It's hard to pin down as so many variables but I would gamble and go with Prime with resale in mind and the fun of just trying to play the game plugging in saving money and carbon.
In December 2019 I bought a 2020 Prius Prime with an OTD price of 27K. It was the most aggravating car buying experience I have ever had. It took 3 days for me to get the deal they advertised and confirmed 1/2 hour before arriving at the dealership. If I was a pushover they would have 2K of my money. I bought another vehicle and didn’t even consider a Toyota.
Nice car and review. I think I would stay with the Corolla LE and go full lawn mover transporting the well feed friends! Have a great weekend and I'm looking forward to the next review. 😊
The only thing is: for a person like me who drives each way to work 10 miles or less, wouldn't it be running on the battery portion? Therefore no gas usage since plug in hybrid goes much farther on a charge? Then the numbers would be skewed more and closer to an actual ev for more day to day usage. Unless no matter what mileage you do the engine kicks in? Never heard anyone compare this fact before
I owned a plug in hybrid. The main advantage for me is the flexibility of no range anxiety, less need for going to gas stations (every 6-8 weeks), far outweighs the advantage of gas savings. So dependent on your situation.
@@chadhaire1711 How’s that? Isn’t time a valuable commodity? Have you ever waited in line to fill up gas? How much are you spending on gas every month? What’s the $$$ offset per month if you have Solar in your house? Both gas and electric bills??? It’s math right?
Those arent the real competition you have rn..... Its the smart rich asians, who know they can drive the piss out of it and sell it for a profit 2 years down.
I'd love to see an AWD version of the Prime, it would be a great combo for the midwest winters. Until then, the RAV4 Prime is about the only way to get there and they are tough to find and much more expensive.
I average over 65 miles a fill up. Best so far is 78mpg. I don't know about you but that's solid. Secondly. I do outdoor sales. I spent roughly 500 little more a month in gas with my subaru forester. I now do same driving my monthly fuel cost is uner 200$ a month. Electric included.
It is solid! My argument here was that compared to a regular prius (and not a Forester), it takes decades to makeup the price difference. Though it is better for the environment and a little more peppy on top of reducing running costs so it’s all about what matters most to you🥸
Everything about the design was great, except the interior size. The lower ceiling and seating were shrunk from previous models, and cargo space lost 25% or so. Rear roof is too low for tall kids or taxi passengers. Gauge cluster is in a dumb place, forcing the driver to choose a position for gauge visibility over driving comfort. I had one ordered, and I was totally excited while waiting. As soon as we sat in it, we knew that it would not be our 5th Prius. Huge let down. Moreso, the dealer sold it a couple of days later, but kept our deposit anyway. We ended up with an EV6 GT-Line RWD instead and a Sportage PHEV soon after. We miss having Prii, but Toyota missed the mark this time.
The pricing on these are insane. You can't get any in the NYC metro area for under $40k, which is insane for this type of car given that you can get into several EV's for around that much. If you can charge at home, you can probably make good use of a full EV too.
Different story in Canada, where I got $7k in incentives for a 2024 Prius Prime SE. The total (taxes, everything) was 38k CAD (under 29k USD). Now that's math that works.
Caveat not mentioned: Prius hybrid drivers DO NOT drive to get high MPGs, they drive like everyone else pushing the hybrid into lower MPGs. Then you say, would that not also be the case with PRime drivers? Yes, it would. The point: Prime owners invest in the EV portion, estimating 100% daily driving in EV Mode. In hybrid mode at 75 mph the unofficial minimum highway speed in the US, all cars suffer a heavy efficiency penalty. The financial numbers aside, the EV market has made the PHEV a non player as you point out simply because of US high speed driving. BTW, I have a PHEV and drive it to maximize efficiency, a Hyundai Ioniq. I also have a Hyundai EV, just to present credentials. The PHEV is mostly an EV in our situation. The goal? Zero emissions, cleaner air. We proudly state that goal.
I think the main issue is that if you use the electric only most of the time, why not just get a full electric car? The plug-in hybrid version only makes sense if you can only have one car, and you also do road trips a few times a month.
Because an Electric cars are: - Expensive. - Battery is catastrophically expensive when it needs to be replaced. - Have low range. - Take too much time to charge.
Thank you! The math caught me off guard. I love the powertrain, but the Prime made me appreciate the regular Prius even more (especially as electricity charges inflate).
The Prius Prime only makes sense if you can charge it at work or at home. If you can't, get the regular hybrid version. I completely agree with that idea. However, with most of everything else, it's all subjective and situation specific. Most people that can afford a Prius Prime will more than likely get the XSE Premium. So I would say cost is not the primary concern. It's more about efficiency, power, EV driving range, ride quality, and build quality. No other car comes close at this price point. All full EVs that are comparable in size and will have about half the driving range, cost several thousand dollars more. I noticed you didn't mention the driving range which is a huge plus compared to a full EV. The Prius Prime fully charged and with a full tank of gas can go anywhere from 550-600+ miles. The overall cost of the Prime vs the hybrid are somewhat subjective based on what figures you use. For example, in LA, you can charge you car at night during the cheapest electricity rates which can be significantly cheaper. If you couldn't tell by now, I'm a proud owner of a 2023 Prius Prime XSE Premium. It's been the best car I've ever had to date. I previously had a fully loaded 2004 Prius that I drove for 19 years and had 281,000 miles on it. I did replace the hybrid battery twice. Though the 2nd time it was two years before I donated it and it sold at auction for $1,000. I got to write that off my taxes. I also applied for the CA state rebate, but I was a little late in the 2023 year and they ran out of funds so I didn't get the rebate. That would have been $1,000. That sucked. I recently took a road trip from LA to Sonoma. It was the first long trip and it performed like a champ. My main concern if that my butt would get sore and my back would bother me, but that didn't happen. And it was hot as hell driving up there on the 5 fwy. It was funny because in a couple of occasions the car asked me if I didn't want to take a break from driving. Even funnies is that my passenger and I had just talked about taking a break and getting a bite to eat. LOL! Oh, one last thing, something very interesting has been happening with the EV range of my car. It started at the advertised range of 39 miles, but over the last year it has steadily crept up. I charged it yesterday and it now stands at 48 miles. I've been charging it to 100% most of the time because I figure that Toyota has left a certain amount of the battery unavailable to charge to protect the long term health of the battery. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen anything saying not to charge it to 100% as I've seen for full EVs.
We wanted to repalce our 2010 Prius with a new Prime. The prices we found were too high, the availability was non-exisitant, colors are boring and the only way to get the solar roof was on the top level cars. We bought a new Chevy Bolt EUV to replace the old Prius.
As of September 2024, there are discounts on the Prius, and more so, the Prime, that if you don't care about the AWD, it may be a wash between the two in monthly payments, and worth the extra ability even if you use it sparingly. Also, I think Toyota is noticing this trend, and has decided to drop the Prime name, and just make the EV part on option on the Prius without the designation.
8:45 I have owned a 22 PP for a couple of years and love it, but I will say, it does drive me a little crazy that the smart key doesn't work on the rear hatch or passenger door. I want to add that while you make some valid points with regard to the math for this car vs the standard Prius, using less gas is another consideration that some drivers are concerned about. I have driven my PP for 36k miles and my overall fuel economy average is more than 126 mpg. That makes a difference for the climate, especially if we can shift our electric grid away from carbon based energy and toward renewable energies. Okay, I got to the end of the video and you do mention this factor. I just think this is a factor more people should be concerned about. If you can only afford a hybrid and not a PHEV, cool. Go with a hybrid. If you can afford a PHEV, do that. If you can go EV and that works for you, go with an EV. But we can't keep buying vehicles that get 15-20 mpg. We're breaking the planet.
I think you can program the fob to unlock all 5 of the doors with one press. This is our third Prius but first Prime. We have yet to drive it (1,400 miles so far), in hybrid mode. It's always in EV. Our hydro almost all comes from renewable sources. My in-laws had a 3rd Gen Prius. As you know, the Service Battery (12v), is under the floor in the hatch area. For some reason, their battery kept failing and required boosts. No big deal right ? Not so. With a dead battery you can't unlock using the fob. The only door with a mechanical lock is the drivers. So, you have use the emergency key to open that door, reach back and open a rear door, then lower the back seats. There isn't an inside hatch release (hatchbacks must be exempt from the law (in Canada), as most cars have to have an inside release. Anyway, you still can't get the hatch open. You have to crawl into the "trunk" and somehow lift the "floor" of the hatch while your laying on it. Very difficult to say the least. And finally, you need two sets of booster cables to reach the tiny Service Battery. Not sure if your 22 is set-up like this, hope it's not. In our new Prime at least the 12v is not under the floor so it would be a relative breeze to boost..............
@@TomLawlor-iq6gm I have programmed our PP to open all the doors with one button press. I have also enabled the option that will roll down all the windows when you press and hold the unlock button. That's a nice feature on hot days. Good to know about the 12v. Haven't had any issues with it yet.
@@rungavagairun Yes, I thought it was possible to do that. Still ploughing through the 1,000 page (combined), owners manuals. Also, if you hold the drivers door handle (exterior), for 3 seconds all doors unlock as well. Or, one can use the Toyota app on your phone to open the hatch or all doors at once. Our new Prime has the same size battery as my in-laws 3rd Gen. It's way too small I believe. It will drain rapidly when your sitting in the car with the "ignition" set to Accessary listening to the radio. While doing so, you can see the 12v battery monitor on the Infotainment screen. In fact, the car will automatically shut off the Accessory setting after 20 minutes to preserve the charge.
@@TomLawlor-iq6gm When you leave the remote key (keyless entry system) at home, keep it at least 3 meters (10 feet) away from the car or the battery will go up/flat. When the remote key is brought within 3 meters, the electric power system will be activated. I am Japanese.
@@軍曹-n6j Greetings from Canada, Thank you very much for your valuable input. I guess you are probably correct to point out that the fob and car communicate frequently even when the car is parked. I had not considered that fact. Factoring in the small size (and thus lower capacity), battery, that would certainly contribute to draining an idle Service battery. A problem made worse in winter. At our home the key fob hangs (when not in use), on a hook that's likely about 3 meters from the vehicle That would explain why I have noticed that often, when I collect my wife from work and am sitting outside, the battery gauge (indicated on the INFO screen shows a discharge of 50% after simply listening to the radio for a few moments. The "chit-chat" between the car and the fob has already lowered the charge even before leaving home. To address this issue I think we should install a Faraday box to house the key, that will block the communication between fob and computer. Here in Canada (all of North America really), it's not uncommon for owners (of any fob enabled cars), to use a Faraday box to foil criminals. Many cars have been stolen by thieves who use devices that allow them to operate the fob remotely and drive away with your car. We have now driven 3,991Km with our Prime and it is flawless. We have consumed a total of one tank of fuel. Kind Regards Tom
If you invested the difference in price savings between hybrid and prime/phev, the difference would be even greater. And you also didn't take into account the added complexity of prime/phev, likely shorter brake and tire life, and the battery pack should cost alot more to replace when it goes bad, vs a regular hybrid battery.
Song Canadian here, I drive 164 km a day back and forth to my work. I have level 2 charging in my garage and level one charging at work. This means I'm roughly able to get about 120 km on EV range making it so it's most definitely worth the extra 5000 for a plug-in
@@Realistickelectricity is is kind of expensive here in Ontario. Depending on how you plan it out, we pay time of usage and it works out to 8 cents /kw
@@RealistickI'm really not sure what you got against it because I did the simple math and it certainly makes sense. Yes of course if worst case scenario goes where you have to replace a battery pack then none of this makes sense.
@@begley09 I don’t have anything against it, it’s a great car, I laid out why it doesn’t make financial sense in this video so I don’t have anything else to say.
@@Realistick Yeah... maybe for some! Guess for some plug in certainly will make sense if you charge everyday. Price for fuel here is very expensive in Ontario.
PHEV for most people only made financial sense with some sort of incentive. The real premium is actually higher than $5k as dealers mark up the primes like crazy at the moment. If one can drive most if not all of the miles in EV mode and you got free charging, might as well go for a full EV and pay less with tax incentives. but of course, its not a toyota.
It definitely doesn’t make sense over the non-prime if the calculation is just to save the difference in gas costs. But idk, let’s say I’m the type that’s done with a car by 100K miles. I’ve theoretically made up $1,850 out of the $5,025. Is $3,175 worth the extra oomph and low speed smoothness, the less frequent stops at gas stations overall? Over 7-10 years, I think so?
I think the surprise to me too was that the fuel savings is not what justifies the cost, it is that acceleration and the green factor. I'd still recommend the regular prius to more folks but for some, the prime has a strong argument (even if not a financial one)
And here I am in Boulder City NV with $.08 to $.11 kwh energy and gas that's 20 to 40 cents less than Los Angeles..... I think I actually win the PHEV formula (or come very close).
The first 3 minutes addresses only the fuel cost versus the price premium. My reason for owning a phev is not fuel cost at all. Rather, smooth EV driving, that's it. Phevs bridge the gap between range challenged EVs and clunky gas only vehicles.
Honestly, regular hybrids just make way more sense. Companies like Mazda should stop focusing so much on super expensive plug ins and focus on improving regular hybrids to be even more powerful and fuel efficient. One way is to increase battery size and motor output by let's say like 10%
You're so right about that. There's also Toyota's calculations that for every EV they build, they could've built 10 PHEVs or 100 hybrids. That means for every PHEV, Toyota could've made 10 hybrids.
It has ~25 more horsepower than the regular Prius and gets to 60 n 0.5 seconds less time. It's very likely quieter with the engine rarely coming on. Why doesn't that command any price premium?
Because this traffic assist system allows you to remove your hands completely. It definitely needs better implementation but I get why they would want to make sure the driver doesn't just go to sleep!
Even if you only drove EV, it still wouldn't make financial sense for nearly 200,000 miles (given you are paying for your electricity), it makes the most sense if your goal is to reduce emissions!
I couldnt justify the amount of money they wanted for a regular prius. Bought a manual jetta. Gets an average of 44mpg on my 100 mile round trip commute and paid less than 25K out the door. We will see about long term reliability, but I have the price difference invested. 😅
Since Prius Prime is hard to get and rare nowadays, who to say it will hold up on resell and reliability, since there isn't enough out there to draw a good statistical average on. EV are coming up fast and by the time Prius Prime is available everywhere, most people have already moved to EV given all the EV options out there. I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of waiting for one and probably will go full EV eventually.
Thank you, I agree. Plugging hybrids are the worst of both options - when you’re in EV mode you’re dragging around an unused ICE. When in gasoline only mode your dragging around a huge heavy battery pack. I’ve been driving Prius for years. My 2016 has a reliable traction battery about the size of a toaster oven. Neff said.
I am living with a plugin hybrid SUV. Without much effort I am getting 42 mpg on average, which is great for a 3-row SUV. I get to visit the gas station once a month and charge at home. Yes, a full on EV would be great, but it would also way more, which is not realistic for my budget. If you do lot of shorter trips within EV range, PHEV makes sense. And for longer drives it still makes almost same MPG as a hybrid.
With a regular EV you are “dragging around” a massively heavy battery pack even though most people drive less than 40 miles a day. If you are going to call the Prius Prime battery a “huge heavy battery pack”, what words would you use to describe the weight of the battery in a Tesla?
I think your review is fair but (for us anyway), your operational cost breakdown is incorrect. We finally got our 2024 Prime ten weeks ago after a 21 month wait. Yes, we ordered a 2022 and wound-up with a 24 ! Had to pay for two model year price increases and, lost 2 grand on trade-in value for our 12 year old Model C Prius. However, here in Canada the Prime does qualify for a $5,000 rebate, so, the extra cost for the Prime vanishes. It also helped that the local dealer sold the car right at the MSRP. Our intention with buying a Prime (our third Prius but first PHEV), was to run in EV Mode as much as possible. With our first two cars we averaged around 4.4 liters per 100Km (53.45 MPG), great milage for sure. But, gas here is currently at close to $7.00 CAD a US Gallon. Hydro currently costs us .1325Kwh. That means we can charge from "dead" (the Traction Battery has a charge buffer at both the lower and higher ends, so, you only have access to around 70% of the battery storage, about 9.52Kwh), to full with 9.52Kwh's worth of hydro. That works out to $1.26 for power to go 50 miles. Our Prime is averaging 80KM (50 M), on a charge. As good as the regular Prius is on fuel, I'm sure you can't drive 50 miles on $1.26 worth of gas. We figure we'll drive 9,123 miles per year (14,600Km). We are retired so we don't drive a lot. Running in EV Mode all the time would cost us $ 229.95 for hydro per year. The same distance with gas would cost us $1,204.92 in a regular Prius. That's around $1,000 a year in savings with a Prime. As we plan to have this car for ten years the extra money we paid for the Prime would be paid back twice over. And remember, our rebate cancelled the premium we paid for the bigger battery. We are considering buying a Level 2 charger to replace the standard Level 1 that comes with the Prime. As a Level 2 uses 220VAC it's cheaper to charge and faster. A Level 2 for a BEV runs about $3,000 plus install. But a Level 2 for a Prime can be purchased for about $300USD. Cheers
In Canada it seems to be a no brainer with that rebate! My calculations are all US based as we no longer have any rebates. It’s still cheaper to run the prime in the US, but the recuperation time for your money upfront is much longer here. Still, better than most PHEVs, but that’s a topic for another video!
@@Realistick Hello Again, In Canada the rebate depends on your location as the funds come from both federal and provincial purses. With a BEV you get at least $7,000 everywhere. In some provinces you even get $7,000 for a PHEV. At .1325Kwh people here are always complaining about the cost. So, I was astonished to learn (from comments on videos on this site), how much hydro costs in some states. Well above .30Kwh in places. At those rates we'd have to reconsider a Prime for sure, especially sans a rebate. We've driven 1,400 miles (over 2,200Km), on the first tank of gas and it's still 1/3rd full. For some odd reason the gas engine has been starting when I can see no reason for it to start. For instance, this morning I drove my wife to her post retirement part-time job. To get there involves descending from an elevation of 500' to sea level. At the bottom of that hill is a stop sign. Rolling up to it at 35mph with a 100% charge in EV Mode (and still going down hill), the engine started. It then ran for the next 3 or 4 minutes. I don't understand why. It was not necessary. By the way; strange, but if you look under those plastic hubcaps you will find a fine set of wheels, not the plain stamped wheels usually found behind caps.
@@Realistick Just an update for you: we've accumulated 5,250Km now after four months of ownership. In that time, we've burned less than 15 gallons of gas (under 1.5 tanks). The other day we went 91Km in EV with 6% SOC left. This morning, the trip computer estimate for range on start-up was 94Km (57m). Got to love summer...... Also, I discovered that BC and Quebec (maybe Nova Scotia too), will give you $8,500 in rebates for a Prime. One would have to be mental to not take the offer. Perhaps even more astonishing, here in our province, the $5,000 rebate we were blessed with would be available a second time to anyone who might purchase our 2024 Prime (if we were foolish enough to sell it), as a used car.
I can't buy an EV even though they are cheaper here (In Mexico) because there aren't a lot of charging stations outside big cities and main roads, it limits me a lot, that's why I prefer a PHEV or just a hybrid.
Right now it's the same to get a used Tesla Model 3 in my area than it is a used 2023/2024 Prius. Used cars are going well over MSRP of new cars. The cost of markups is too damn high.
If you want to talk about cost you HAVE to talk about insurance. Insurance for a Tesla model 3 is almost 300 more than similarly priced EVs. And that’s for 6 months. One can only guess how much more itll cost over PHEV.
Not sure I'd agree. PHEV makes sense for most people because the range in EV range will easily cover the average daily commute of most Americans. I get the math doesn't work out but honestly, I just want to spend less time at the gas station. If I can use no gas on my daily commute - in theory I'll rarely ever need to get gas. But yeah as you and others have pointed out - good luck finding one for msrp. This is why I'll never buy a Toyota. They're intentionally limiting inventory because they saw how profitable that was during covid.
I chose 2023 Chevy bolt EV, 259 miles of electric range, no gas engine maintenance, $30,000. Spicy performance, seats 5. Not as cute though, doesn't have giant wheels with expensive tires, like typical cars.
My work is a TOTAL ROUND TRIP of 30KM (18.64 Miles). So I can make 1.5 trips...I also have the LOWEST electricity rates in North America 10.342¢/kWh CAD (US 0.075/kWh)...so it costs $1.40 CAD ($1.02) to fully charge the car at home from 0% battery. Your comment about "solar or steal electricity". Um...what about places that have GOOD electricity prices, duh? A note that the XSE and higher has the sensor on the handle to unlock it on the passenger door. About your Toyota quality...yeah trust me, Toyota...no issues for long term quality.
in BC vancouver, this thing still has a 4 year waiting list and if one does turn up, be ready to spend $3 grand on dealer markup as required service package. Its not worth it at all
The Prius, and Corolla Hybrid are awesome cars. If I went with Toyota it would likely be the Corolla. Great review! Can you check out the 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage please? It's one of, if not the most affordable new car.
IF I was going to get one, I'd get the prime, that price tho! If you drive it mostly as an EV or putting less miles on the gas engine, less time and expense of oil changes and timing belts.
They all use a timing chain and still need an oil change at the same intervals (oil breaks down with time or miles)! The battery is also about ten times larger and costs much much more to replace in the PHEV (something I should have also brought up in the video). I still like the Prime but the maintenance costs will not be meaningfully less, and far more if you stick around until the battery needs replaced!
I hope they've improved batteries longevity, but 44 ni doesn't give much headroom for range loss. They should have 90 Mi of range, especially for that price
We had a Prius C for 12 years. Our best milage was around 55mph (in summer). The Model C was the same size and shape as a Yaris. With their current Tech., a hybrid Yaris would not get 80mph.
I would've loved to try out the XSE Premium with that solar roof. It's a stupid idea, but I want to be able to talk about it 10 years later and say how stupid it was. And how far we could come. I've been spoiled by the AWD of EVs, but well.....haha.
The car is almost perfect, i just hope they do something about the ugly headlights, its hedious! Also the wait time is unbearable, i was told to wait more than a year for it.
I'm not buying the cheapest car I can. At an average price of $47,000, neither is the average buyer. My daily drive is less than 20 miles, mostly city. I would like to upgrade my hybrid Prius to a PHEV Toyota.
You didn't figure in the lost opportuning cost of the extra $5K. Just put that $5K in a money market fund and it will pay you $250/yr , thus making the prime more expensive to drive than the standard Prius.
I wanted a Prius Prime phev, but bought a Tesla instead. Always better to pollute the air LESS if you can and most of just use our cars mostly for grocery grabbing.
Add a HV battery replacement after 15 years or so and you will see that the cost to upgrade to the prime doesn't make sense financially. I'm not sure if fuel savings in a standard hybrid recoups the battery replacement cost in them either fwiw. I am leasing a '23 prius xle and it is a fantastic car. I don't think I would buy one new however.
our EV charging price at home is 0.38/kwh to 0.66/kwh..averaging 0.44 / kwh. Gas price is $5.00. Either way we are screwed. The national average price sounds too good for us.
Jesus in the garden............... .38 ~.66. Where are you ? Here, we pay .1325Kwh and people are out of their minds over that amount. But, we do pay close to $7.00 a gallon for regular gas. We can get a full charge with our 24 Prime for way under $2.00 and drive 80Km (50 m), on that. Enough for our normal daily chores but if not the hybrid part is there.
Mazda CX 90 plug in hybrid is similar pricing structure. They want 5-9k premium over the gas version for 26 miles of range. Makes no sense to buy that.
@@Realistick yes! Another weird quirk of the law right? It’s very strict if you buy…not many vehicles qualify. If you lease they let you get it on any car! That is as long as the OEM passes the saving to the consumer. So in 24-36 months should be lots of cheap used hybrids maybe?
@@DDGreyduck There could be! Though the buyout might be cheap enough that people might actually hold onto them. Who knows, the used market is going to be extremely odd in the next 5-10 years.
Shame on Toyota for forcing 19” wheels and pleather seats on us just to get heated seats and other basic features. I want the features of the XSE but with the 17” wheels and cloth seats.
I can NOT buy that fraud, because of dealership price (markup) molestation. I can’t believe anyone would accept to be financing additional 5000 markup, over the already Prime 5000k extra. NO!
Really love the actual calculations that support your PHEV doesn't make sense position. Haven't seen many reviews that have actually crunched the numbers 🎉 (thanks for including our $5/gallon areas 😓🤦😆)
Good luck finding a Toyota dealership in the USA that doesn't want to financially molest you with prices well exceeding the MSRP on the OEM website builder tool.
^^ There is a toyota in Oakland that has a huge 270ft by 70ft banner saying "NEVER PAY OVER MSRP". I had a friend get quoted 54k out of the door for the new prius. LOLLL
Longo Toyota, El Monte, Ca.
MSRP only. $500 deposit.
The line is long. I am in it for a 2025 Prime XSE.
My 2005 Gen 2 turns 20yrs old.
She's taken care of me very, very well.
That's Model Y performance territory@@abrahammc2125
@@abrahammc2125 looooooool jesus thanks for saving me the hassle dealing with oakland, local DG dealer wants 5-8k markups .-.
@@rwgarchia5187 You gotta buy from LA or out of state. Bay area has been known for "their is an ass for every seat" since the early 2000s.
I didn’t buy my prime to save money. I bought my prime because the US is not ready for fully EV and I’m tired of the oil monarchs running the world.
That’s the perfect reason to buy one🤟
Toyota needs to build these in the US so that it’s eligible for the tax credit.
US made Toyota have terrible quality
@@syawkcab Oh I know. My US built 2018 Camry has been... hmmm.. wonderful? Can't think of any issues whatsoever. Can't even foresee anything coming up. It's just like every other Toyota I've owned for the past 48 years. In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say it's been the best Toyota I've ever owned. I don't think you can go wrong with Toyota's no matter where they're made.
nah. you gotta go for the J vin numbers aka made in Japan
"gotta go for the J vin numbers aka made in Japan" Enjoy! 😃
No, what the government needs to do is put the law back to the way it was before when the Prius Prime did qualify and many other EVs did as well.
I'm very happy with my Prius Prime. When I saw the new designs and that the EV would be 40 miles I was sold: I just had to keep checking the Toyota site everyday to see an availability (in SE US, that has less allocations). Even though I'm in Atlanta, it was still a scavenger hunt: I finally did see a Premium trim that wasn't black (it's red) and I went up to make a deposit the day it was posted. To this day, the Primes are rare in the SE....but I think they're really the best for most people. I can run a full EV for a daily drive in Atlanta (charge standard electric overnight), and then when I want to drive interstate, I can go gas hybrid (because more of the region in the SE is all gas stations). I bought my Prime with cash...the only main thing I found the the Toyota dealerships is that now they're really pushing maintenance plans. I elected to decline with the dealership that was out of my way, and glad I did also as I had issues with a bubble in protective film, and I also had to take several trips to get my second FOB. So I did pay for an oil change with my first service: since that is important with the gas engines. It was $60. I know folks like to go on about service life of a Tesla vs other cars. Thinking the rest of my 2 years, I'll just keep with my complimentary service. I've seen that there are Tesla owners having to spend a lot of money replacing battery trains...and my head scratcher, why does Tesla insist you have to go through a menu in order to open the glove box?
I love my '21 Prime. That new design makes me jealous. 🥵
@@consigno10 The 21s acctually have better fuel economy tho.
@@aidasberzinskas gotcha, 90% of the time I use battery and another 10-15 miles for me would make my battery use even higher
@@aidasberzinskas Just by a couple of miles, but the new ones have a much longer EV range.
I ordered the 2024 THE DAY it showed up on the website back in Jan 2024. Took 8 months to arrive!!!
Still the best EV/Hybrid on the market IMO. Makes more sense than going full EV and dealing with the messy charging infrastructure. I'm personally waiting for the GR edition. I want a little bit more power under that hood so driving can be more fun.
Aahhh yes, the dream car, 300 HP, 0-60 4.2 seconds, 75 mpg, all under “performance driving” category. But you do know it is a “dream.” Right?
It can get pretty fun as it stands with the 220 hp. The Prius Prime has surprisingly good off the mark speed from a standing start even in EV only mode. Once they get denser batteries, your dream car might come true, but that won't be for another 5 years at least.
Great review! Thank you for dumbing down (for lack of a better term) the actual numbers of EV cost per mile. I think many do not realize just how far they would have to drive to actually break even for the added $$. Great job and happy Memorial day weekend!
I would still buy this over a EV
same here
Most excellent choice, for you shall taste the EV greatness and perhaps join the PHEV “avoid using the gas engine as much as possible” club. Data point. Electric drive is cheaper to operate EV mode does not “idle,” EV mode is quiet, EV mode’s “refueling” costs are invisible being part of the electric bill. Lastly, the ever so important convenience factor. Less visits to a gas station AND parts stores. So many have deduced that IF my daily/weekly/monthly drives are all under 40 miles AND the fuel purchased months ago is in the rank, why buy gasoline at all? Then, they get the EV concept. 2018 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV; 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 EV. It is deliriously satisfying not buying ga$$$-o-lean and not giving my money to hungry super rich oil companies. Best of luck. :)
its a 2011 chevy volt, but instead of costing 7k it costs 8 times as much. just think of all the money you wont be saving. oh yeah theres depreciation while old volts keep increasing in value for some reason.
@@Rhaman68Everything else produced in your life a by product of Oil . Oil was found by several scientists this past spring doesn't come from fossils
All plug ins suck. It's like having two gas tanks and one takes hours to fill up.
Love the no nonsense review. The standard hybrid seems to be the winning combination. Toyota is making a significant commitment to non plug in hybrids across the entire Camry lineup, Honda is doing the same with the Civic dropping their 1.5T motor in favour of 2.0l hybrid setup found in the Accord.
Disagree, what is the point of working out so much if you aren't going to even dedicated a few seconds to pec bouncing? It barely makes sense!
It's still a gas car tho
You tower over that car. It must be fun to get in and out of for a tall person. Plus it sounds pretty noisy. Think I'd wait for a new 2025 Camry just for comfort's sake.
Refinement goes to the camry for sure! I’ll compare the two when I can.
It’s a car geared toward the yoga crowd. Because mastery of yoga is required to contort yourself in and out of the car.
I’m 6’5” and have no problem getting in or out of the car. Nor do I feel I’m sacrificing comfort when driving.
The new Prius Prime is actually quieter than previous models. In the video you hear the CVT sound because he's flooring it, but normally you only hear it drone for a few seconds. You don't hear that sound as you're already cruising at 75 mph. I would say it's not a huge issue for people 6'-3" or under, especially in the front seat. It does have a slightly lower roof line than my 2004 Prius. I noticed the difference, but now I don't think about it.
@@Realistick Maybe, but the Prius Prime is way more efficient. And there is no PHEV Camry either.
I updated my plug-in hybrid with the latest 20 kWh Nissan Leaf batteries. It's still running strong after 17 years! Incredible!
Great review. I have a Toyota Prius PHEV 2020 in the UK, and I agree with you. However, this PHEV makes more sense if you do a lot of miles and I mean well over 16K per annum and you charge it at home daily. This is the way I use the car.
I would buy a Tesla 3 over this Prime. I have the 2022 Prius Prime model and is cheaper to run than current gen. And bigger. I paid almost half new for the 2022. Could not justify the price difference to Tesla then, now the Prime doesn’t make any sense financially. New Zealand
@@alexdhutanuexcept what you're getting with the Toyota that Tesla has yet to prove is reliability. The battery warranty on this model is an additional 2 years or 60000 km extra. So that tells you that they are really standing behind their battery and that it'll at least last 10 years.
Love your videos man, I hope you get 100k subscribers keep up the good work🔥
I appreciate that, thanks for watching!
Orrrrr… you can buy a used low miles Prius, Prius C, Prius V and call it a day for 50 ish MPG all day everyday at a significantly lower entry point than a new one or go for the gusto and upgrade a used Prius battery yourself with common tools for $2.5k out the door and realistically achieve 60 mpg (Prius C). Ask me how I know! 😎
But the drive and power of the new Prius is way beyond anything you can experience on any of the older models. It's in a different class now. Closer to a entry level luxury car.
And if you’re in Cali like me, the cost of licensing/ insurance is way better on a used car than a new car.
Okay how?, my replacement Prius C battery lasted 6 mo. It had a 3 year warranty and it was a 2.5 hour drive to the Dallas shop.
You get all-front-doors (along with trunk) smart key and auto headlights on the XSE model.
Only the front doors and tailgate get it on the XSE (not the rear doors)! I only brought up the nuance here with SE because Ive never seen that kind of omission before with a proxy key setup🥸
@@RealistickAgree it’s a huge problem for SE, and that’s why XSE may be a very worthwhile upgrade, especially with its much nicer wheels (and home link garage door opener, Softex faux leather, parking assist, and 1/2” extra ground clearance).
Great review! No one does the math on these vehicles. Many times when you look at total cost of ownership these vehicles are less compelling.
Thanks, its argument really lies in powertrain response and reducing your own carbon footprint!
@@Realistick Also convenience, waking up to a full "tank" every morning and never visiting a gas station (Volt owner here). Some luxury benefits too in NVH, but the real luxury is time in not having to fill up.
You ignore the fact that a Prime can recover energy a standard Prius cannot.
The Prime's 13.8 kWh battery is a true reservoir. The standard 1.1 kWh is a mode transition holding tank.
A Prime can run intra-city for weeks without turning on the ICE. Avoiding the less efficient warm-up cycles ICE requires.
My standard Prius with its 1.3kWh battery can descend only 200ft before fully charged. It wastes the rest of the energybon longer descents.
Yes, I realize the Prime is about 300lbs heavier. So, require more energy to climb.
LiOn said to lose 5% capacity per year. Guess I'll find out when I get my 2025 Prime. The line for them is quite long.
At best, in some scenarios it will match the mileage of the regular car when operating as a hybrid. You should be buying this to use it as an EV to begin with! I ran that calculation with 95 percent electric usage too, it still takes 200k miles to break even, but you’ll be reducing your carbon footprint so the trees and I thank you😎
@@Realistick Yes, exactly. Mostly in town. 45mph, usually. Easily surpass 40mis/charge.
Very occasional Hwy use. At posted speed limits.
Cheers
@@RealistickI guess it really depends on the person when my power company offers in EV plan reduces rates to 4 cents per kilowatt hour late at night till early in the morning, combined with the factor the regular pruis breaks do wear out while prime huge regen means I have basically no break wear means that maintenance cost are cheaper on the prime, making my break even point five and a half years just with gas but with other maintenance cost savings factored in, the break even point is much closer to 4 years so I'll be saving money for the additional 6 years I have that car
@@Realistick You can get a rebate of $1,000 in California. I wouldn't be surprised if other states also had rebates. That would lower the break even point. Of course, the older Prius Prime did qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit until they changed the law recently. That sucked. Many EVs as well no longer qualify that once did. It's one reason that EV sales have not kept going higher. It was a huge mistake. All to appease conservative Democrats.
The added price of the Prius Prime would take a driver 271,000 miles of driving to make up the added $5,000 cost of the Prius Prime over the regular Prius. But look at the base Toyota Corolla, it cost $7,000 less than the regular Prius, and it gets 41 mpg highway vs the Prius's 56 mpg highway. So if you are using these vehicles to commute to work and almost all of your driving is on the highway, the Prius would have to drive approximately 285,700 miles to equal the $7,000 price difference through fuel savings compared to the Base Corolla. That's why I would simply buy a base Toyota Corolla and not worry about the Prius.
Just curious cause I’d love to use your math when car shopping, Do you Have a formula or more detailed explanation of how you got your numbers? Cuase I’m looking for a commuter car and EVs / PHEV/s
This exact reasoning is why I ended up in a Corolla
Idk about that. Charging at night puts my total per kwh at 0.04 cents at the night discounted rate. 13.6 kwh with 20 % reserved on each end puts usable capacity at slightly under 9 kwh.
I will use 100% of the 44 miles daily so that puts me at $645 in fuel costs for driving 5 years daily 44 miles. Regular pruis is $4760 at local fuel prices of $3.3
So for me I breakeven at year 6 and I keep cars for a decade. Also, I breakeven much faster because of dramatically reduced maintenance cost due to running in ev only mode and 5 years out, my brake pads are still completely full, hybrids have little regen so use less brakes, the prime has a much larger regen so physical brakes almost never get used
Also the combined of the corolla is 35 mpg, making the fuel cost $7600 over 5 years while also requiring more frequent oil changes and brake pad changes which the prime will probably last the life of the car, combining those 2 figures makes the difference much smaller so for my use case, it makes sense either way to go prime
Is this based on using it as a regular hybrid or EV only? California gas averages (from recent times) $5.50 a gallon so it's easy to save with the Prime's plug-in capabilities I'd imagine.
Great video, I had this on test this week and in the UK with options such as paint it is over £40,000!
Great review and good personality. One thing to think about is the extra money for a prime is not just gone forever. If it cost $5K more new it may be worth $5K more used or could be $7K more used... or only $3K more. It's hard to pin down as so many variables but I would gamble and go with Prime with resale in mind and the fun of just trying to play the game plugging in saving money and carbon.
In December 2019 I bought a 2020 Prius Prime with an OTD price of 27K. It was the most aggravating car buying experience I have ever had. It took 3 days for me to get the deal they advertised and confirmed 1/2 hour before arriving at the dealership. If I was a pushover they would have 2K of my money. I bought another vehicle and didn’t even consider a Toyota.
Nice car and review. I think I would stay with the Corolla LE and go full lawn mover transporting the well feed friends! Have a great weekend and I'm looking forward to the next review. 😊
The only thing is: for a person like me who drives each way to work 10 miles or less, wouldn't it be running on the battery portion? Therefore no gas usage since plug in hybrid goes much farther on a charge? Then the numbers would be skewed more and closer to an actual ev for more day to day usage. Unless no matter what mileage you do the engine kicks in? Never heard anyone compare this fact before
I owned a plug in hybrid. The main advantage for me is the flexibility of no range anxiety, less need for going to gas stations (every 6-8 weeks), far outweighs the advantage of gas savings. So dependent on your situation.
I see math was not your best subject in school
@@chadhaire1711 How’s that? Isn’t time a valuable commodity? Have you ever waited in line to fill up gas? How much are you spending on gas every month? What’s the $$$ offset per month if you have Solar in your house? Both gas and electric bills??? It’s math right?
I want one but so does every taxi driver in my city.
Those arent the real competition you have rn..... Its the smart rich asians, who know they can drive the piss out of it and sell it for a profit 2 years down.
I'd love to see an AWD version of the Prime, it would be a great combo for the midwest winters. Until then, the RAV4 Prime is about the only way to get there and they are tough to find and much more expensive.
I average over 65 miles a fill up. Best so far is 78mpg. I don't know about you but that's solid.
Secondly. I do outdoor sales. I spent roughly 500 little more a month in gas with my subaru forester. I now do same driving my monthly fuel cost is uner 200$ a month. Electric included.
It is solid! My argument here was that compared to a regular prius (and not a Forester), it takes decades to makeup the price difference. Though it is better for the environment and a little more peppy on top of reducing running costs so it’s all about what matters most to you🥸
Everything about the design was great, except the interior size. The lower ceiling and seating were shrunk from previous models, and cargo space lost 25% or so. Rear roof is too low for tall kids or taxi passengers. Gauge cluster is in a dumb place, forcing the driver to choose a position for gauge visibility over driving comfort. I had one ordered, and I was totally excited while waiting. As soon as we sat in it, we knew that it would not be our 5th Prius. Huge let down. Moreso, the dealer sold it a couple of days later, but kept our deposit anyway. We ended up with an EV6 GT-Line RWD instead and a Sportage PHEV soon after. We miss having Prii, but Toyota missed the mark this time.
Can’t even buy one, probably for the rest of the year, due to that recall.
There's a recall?
@@homebrewGT2 yes there is! Can’t even test drive one…it’s a problem with the rear hatch possibly opening if it gets wet.
@@dougcastleman9518 The fix was just released. I had the 2 rear door locks replaced for free. The fix came out last week.
@@theexmann Thanks. I’ve got mine now. Loving the car.
@@theexmann Thanks. I’ve been enjoying my new Prius for a couple of months now. I ordered in April, though.
If you can charge for free at work And also are on the run from the law and need to drive for 6 hours non-stop it makes sense.
The pricing on these are insane. You can't get any in the NYC metro area for under $40k, which is insane for this type of car given that you can get into several EV's for around that much. If you can charge at home, you can probably make good use of a full EV too.
True, but those EVs had a relatively limited range. The Prius Prime has a combined range from 550-600+ miles.
My work has a solar farm over the parking lot. Also I live in the Bay Area so gas starts at like $5/gal. Tbh this feels like the perfect car for me
Different story in Canada, where I got $7k in incentives for a 2024 Prius Prime SE. The total (taxes, everything) was 38k CAD (under 29k USD). Now that's math that works.
Caveat not mentioned: Prius hybrid drivers DO NOT drive to get high MPGs, they drive like everyone else pushing the hybrid into lower MPGs. Then you say, would that not also be the case with PRime drivers? Yes, it would. The point: Prime owners invest in the EV portion, estimating 100% daily driving in EV Mode. In hybrid mode at 75 mph the unofficial minimum highway speed in the US, all cars suffer a heavy efficiency penalty. The financial numbers aside, the EV market has made the PHEV a non player as you point out simply because of US high speed driving. BTW, I have a PHEV and drive it to maximize efficiency, a Hyundai Ioniq. I also have a Hyundai EV, just to present credentials. The PHEV is mostly an EV in our situation. The goal? Zero emissions, cleaner air. We proudly state that goal.
solar power for free.... yea add cost to what might save in 30 years, assuming panels don't get cheaper and more efficient by the years
I think the main issue is that if you use the electric only most of the time, why not just get a full electric car? The plug-in hybrid version only makes sense if you can only have one car, and you also do road trips a few times a month.
Well I think it comes down to reliability. A Tesla is very expensive on insurance where is this isn't.
Americans have range anxiety despite almost never driving enough to exceed it in an EV.
Because an Electric cars are:
- Expensive.
- Battery is catastrophically expensive when it needs to be replaced.
- Have low range.
- Take too much time to charge.
Its nice car to have for commuting but you're right, the regular hybrid should be good enough without the plugin
ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT AND INSIGHTFUL REVIEW
this car makes sense at 28k max, and starting price of $22,000
Well-written and very well-presented review...as usual. I did the math last year and came to the same conclusion.
Thank you! The math caught me off guard. I love the powertrain, but the Prime made me appreciate the regular Prius even more (especially as electricity charges inflate).
I feel the prime would win if you drive 20k plus miles per year and you charge daily at home or you tax incentives.
The Prius Prime only makes sense if you can charge it at work or at home. If you can't, get the regular hybrid version. I completely agree with that idea. However, with most of everything else, it's all subjective and situation specific. Most people that can afford a Prius Prime will more than likely get the XSE Premium. So I would say cost is not the primary concern. It's more about efficiency, power, EV driving range, ride quality, and build quality. No other car comes close at this price point. All full EVs that are comparable in size and will have about half the driving range, cost several thousand dollars more. I noticed you didn't mention the driving range which is a huge plus compared to a full EV. The Prius Prime fully charged and with a full tank of gas can go anywhere from 550-600+ miles.
The overall cost of the Prime vs the hybrid are somewhat subjective based on what figures you use. For example, in LA, you can charge you car at night during the cheapest electricity rates which can be significantly cheaper.
If you couldn't tell by now, I'm a proud owner of a 2023 Prius Prime XSE Premium. It's been the best car I've ever had to date. I previously had a fully loaded 2004 Prius that I drove for 19 years and had 281,000 miles on it. I did replace the hybrid battery twice. Though the 2nd time it was two years before I donated it and it sold at auction for $1,000. I got to write that off my taxes. I also applied for the CA state rebate, but I was a little late in the 2023 year and they ran out of funds so I didn't get the rebate. That would have been $1,000. That sucked.
I recently took a road trip from LA to Sonoma. It was the first long trip and it performed like a champ. My main concern if that my butt would get sore and my back would bother me, but that didn't happen. And it was hot as hell driving up there on the 5 fwy. It was funny because in a couple of occasions the car asked me if I didn't want to take a break from driving. Even funnies is that my passenger and I had just talked about taking a break and getting a bite to eat. LOL!
Oh, one last thing, something very interesting has been happening with the EV range of my car. It started at the advertised range of 39 miles, but over the last year it has steadily crept up. I charged it yesterday and it now stands at 48 miles. I've been charging it to 100% most of the time because I figure that Toyota has left a certain amount of the battery unavailable to charge to protect the long term health of the battery. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen anything saying not to charge it to 100% as I've seen for full EVs.
The AWD is pretty good on the LTD. Really like mine.Feels like a small luxury car.
We wanted to repalce our 2010 Prius with a new Prime. The prices we found were too high, the availability was non-exisitant, colors are boring and the only way to get the solar roof was on the top level cars. We bought a new Chevy Bolt EUV to replace the old Prius.
As of September 2024, there are discounts on the Prius, and more so, the Prime, that if you don't care about the AWD, it may be a wash between the two in monthly payments, and worth the extra ability even if you use it sparingly. Also, I think Toyota is noticing this trend, and has decided to drop the Prime name, and just make the EV part on option on the Prius without the designation.
8:45 I have owned a 22 PP for a couple of years and love it, but I will say, it does drive me a little crazy that the smart key doesn't work on the rear hatch or passenger door.
I want to add that while you make some valid points with regard to the math for this car vs the standard Prius, using less gas is another consideration that some drivers are concerned about. I have driven my PP for 36k miles and my overall fuel economy average is more than 126 mpg. That makes a difference for the climate, especially if we can shift our electric grid away from carbon based energy and toward renewable energies. Okay, I got to the end of the video and you do mention this factor. I just think this is a factor more people should be concerned about. If you can only afford a hybrid and not a PHEV, cool. Go with a hybrid. If you can afford a PHEV, do that. If you can go EV and that works for you, go with an EV. But we can't keep buying vehicles that get 15-20 mpg. We're breaking the planet.
I think you can program the fob to unlock all 5 of the doors with one press.
This is our third Prius but first Prime. We have yet to drive it (1,400 miles so far), in hybrid mode. It's always in EV. Our hydro almost all comes from renewable sources.
My in-laws had a 3rd Gen Prius. As you know, the Service Battery (12v), is under the floor in the hatch area. For some reason, their battery kept failing and required boosts. No big deal right ? Not so. With a dead battery you can't unlock using the fob. The only door with a mechanical lock is the drivers. So, you have use the emergency key to open that door, reach back and open a rear door, then lower the back seats. There isn't an inside hatch release (hatchbacks must be exempt from the law (in Canada), as most cars have to have an inside release. Anyway, you still can't get the hatch open. You have to crawl into the "trunk" and somehow lift the "floor" of the hatch while your laying on it. Very difficult to say the least. And finally, you need two sets of booster cables to reach the tiny Service Battery. Not sure if your 22 is set-up like this, hope it's not. In our new Prime at least the 12v is not under the floor so it would be a relative breeze to boost..............
@@TomLawlor-iq6gm I have programmed our PP to open all the doors with one button press. I have also enabled the option that will roll down all the windows when you press and hold the unlock button. That's a nice feature on hot days.
Good to know about the 12v. Haven't had any issues with it yet.
@@rungavagairun Yes, I thought it was possible to do that. Still ploughing through the 1,000 page (combined), owners manuals. Also, if you hold the drivers door handle (exterior), for 3 seconds all doors unlock as well. Or, one can use the Toyota app on your phone to open the hatch or all doors at once.
Our new Prime has the same size battery as my in-laws 3rd Gen. It's way too small I believe. It will drain rapidly when your sitting in the car with the "ignition" set to Accessary listening to the radio. While doing so, you can see the 12v battery monitor on the Infotainment screen. In fact, the car will automatically shut off the Accessory setting after 20 minutes to preserve the charge.
@@TomLawlor-iq6gm When you leave the remote key (keyless entry system) at home, keep it at least 3 meters (10 feet) away from the car or the battery will go up/flat.
When the remote key is brought within 3 meters, the electric power system will be activated.
I am Japanese.
@@軍曹-n6j Greetings from Canada,
Thank you very much for your valuable input. I guess you are probably correct to point out that the fob and car communicate frequently even when the car is parked. I had not considered that fact. Factoring in the small size (and thus lower capacity), battery, that would certainly contribute to draining an idle Service battery. A problem made worse in winter.
At our home the key fob hangs (when not in use), on a hook that's likely about 3 meters from the vehicle That would explain why I have noticed that often, when I collect my wife from work and am sitting outside, the battery gauge (indicated on the INFO screen shows a discharge of 50% after simply listening to the radio for a few moments. The "chit-chat" between the car and the fob has already lowered the charge even before leaving home.
To address this issue I think we should install a Faraday box to house the key, that will block the communication between fob and computer. Here in Canada (all of North America really), it's not uncommon for owners (of any fob enabled cars), to use a Faraday box to foil criminals. Many cars have been stolen by thieves who use devices that allow them to operate the fob remotely and drive away with your car.
We have now driven 3,991Km with our Prime and it is flawless. We have consumed a total of one tank of fuel.
Kind Regards
Tom
If you invested the difference in price savings between hybrid and prime/phev, the difference would be even greater. And you also didn't take into account the added complexity of prime/phev, likely shorter brake and tire life, and the battery pack should cost alot more to replace when it goes bad, vs a regular hybrid battery.
Song Canadian here, I drive 164 km a day back and forth to my work. I have level 2 charging in my garage and level one charging at work.
This means I'm roughly able to get about 120 km on EV range making it so it's most definitely worth the extra 5000 for a plug-in
As long as you aren't paying for the electricity, it should recuperate the funds!
@@Realistickelectricity is is kind of expensive here in Ontario. Depending on how you plan it out, we pay time of usage and it works out to 8 cents /kw
@@RealistickI'm really not sure what you got against it because I did the simple math and it certainly makes sense. Yes of course if worst case scenario goes where you have to replace a battery pack then none of this makes sense.
@@begley09 I don’t have anything against it, it’s a great car, I laid out why it doesn’t make financial sense in this video so I don’t have anything else to say.
@@Realistick Yeah... maybe for some! Guess for some plug in certainly will make sense if you charge everyday. Price for fuel here is very expensive in Ontario.
PHEV for most people only made financial sense with some sort of incentive. The real premium is actually higher than $5k as dealers mark up the primes like crazy at the moment. If one can drive most if not all of the miles in EV mode and you got free charging, might as well go for a full EV and pay less with tax incentives. but of course, its not a toyota.
It definitely doesn’t make sense over the non-prime if the calculation is just to save the difference in gas costs.
But idk, let’s say I’m the type that’s done with a car by 100K miles. I’ve theoretically made up $1,850 out of the $5,025. Is $3,175 worth the extra oomph and low speed smoothness, the less frequent stops at gas stations overall? Over 7-10 years, I think so?
I think the surprise to me too was that the fuel savings is not what justifies the cost, it is that acceleration and the green factor. I'd still recommend the regular prius to more folks but for some, the prime has a strong argument (even if not a financial one)
And here I am in Boulder City NV with $.08 to $.11 kwh energy and gas that's 20 to 40 cents less than Los Angeles..... I think I actually win the PHEV formula (or come very close).
The first 3 minutes addresses only the fuel cost versus the price premium. My reason for owning a phev is not fuel cost at all. Rather, smooth EV driving, that's it. Phevs bridge the gap between range challenged EVs and clunky gas only vehicles.
Honestly, regular hybrids just make way more sense. Companies like Mazda should stop focusing so much on super expensive plug ins and focus on improving regular hybrids to be even more powerful and fuel efficient. One way is to increase battery size and motor output by let's say like 10%
Id agree, i think Mazda does it because it looks better for their emissions😓
You're so right about that. There's also Toyota's calculations that for every EV they build, they could've built 10 PHEVs or 100 hybrids. That means for every PHEV, Toyota could've made 10 hybrids.
As infrastructure grows, more people get solar, and house chargers increase, plug ins make more sense. Not there yet, but we will be
It has ~25 more horsepower than the regular Prius and gets to 60 n 0.5 seconds less time. It's very likely quieter with the engine rarely coming on. Why doesn't that command any price premium?
Wait, so you would need to put gas and electricity to see it mark 1,000 miles on a "full tank"?
why that awful traffic assist, when there's TSS 3.0 with dynamic cruise?? cant the dynamic cruise do this?
Because this traffic assist system allows you to remove your hands completely. It definitely needs better implementation but I get why they would want to make sure the driver doesn't just go to sleep!
Great breakdown of costs! Thanks!
The Prime prices out at the same as a fully loaded Camry XSE with AWD. Doesn’t seem worth it. I’d almost rather just go with the Camry
Makes a lot of sense to me. I usually just drive 10 miles each way in the morning, don't need gas most days.
Even if you only drove EV, it still wouldn't make financial sense for nearly 200,000 miles (given you are paying for your electricity), it makes the most sense if your goal is to reduce emissions!
I couldnt justify the amount of money they wanted for a regular prius. Bought a manual jetta. Gets an average of 44mpg on my 100 mile round trip commute and paid less than 25K out the door. We will see about long term reliability, but I have the price difference invested. 😅
Since Prius Prime is hard to get and rare nowadays, who to say it will hold up on resell and reliability, since there isn't enough out there to draw a good statistical average on. EV are coming up fast and by the time Prius Prime is available everywhere, most people have already moved to EV given all the EV options out there. I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of waiting for one and probably will go full EV eventually.
Which one would u recommend
In Canada there is a $5000 incentive for plugin hybrids and EVs
Does that incentive also apply for regular Hybrids?
@@DioTheGreatOne don't think so but check to be sure
Thank you, I agree. Plugging hybrids are the worst of both options - when you’re in EV mode you’re dragging around an unused ICE. When in gasoline only mode your dragging around a huge heavy battery pack. I’ve been driving Prius for years. My 2016 has a reliable traction battery about the size of a toaster oven. Neff said.
I am living with a plugin hybrid SUV. Without much effort I am getting 42 mpg on average, which is great for a 3-row SUV. I get to visit the gas station once a month and charge at home. Yes, a full on EV would be great, but it would also way more, which is not realistic for my budget. If you do lot of shorter trips within EV range, PHEV makes sense. And for longer drives it still makes almost same MPG as a hybrid.
With a regular EV you are “dragging around” a massively heavy battery pack even though most people drive less than 40 miles a day. If you are going to call the Prius Prime battery a “huge heavy battery pack”, what words would you use to describe the weight of the battery in a Tesla?
@@philippserrin8268 heavy.
Great Review!!!
Thanks!
I think your review is fair but (for us anyway), your operational cost breakdown is incorrect. We finally got our 2024 Prime ten weeks ago after a 21 month wait. Yes, we ordered a 2022 and wound-up with a 24 ! Had to pay for two model year price increases and, lost 2 grand on trade-in value for our 12 year old Model C Prius. However, here in Canada the Prime does qualify for a $5,000 rebate, so, the extra cost for the Prime vanishes. It also helped that the local dealer sold the car right at the MSRP.
Our intention with buying a Prime (our third Prius but first PHEV), was to run in EV Mode as much as possible. With our first two cars we averaged around 4.4 liters per 100Km (53.45 MPG), great milage for sure. But, gas here is currently at close to $7.00 CAD a US Gallon. Hydro currently costs us .1325Kwh. That means we can charge from "dead" (the Traction Battery has a charge buffer at both the lower and higher ends, so, you only have access to around 70% of the battery storage, about 9.52Kwh), to full with 9.52Kwh's worth of hydro. That works out to $1.26 for power to go 50 miles. Our Prime is averaging 80KM (50 M), on a charge.
As good as the regular Prius is on fuel, I'm sure you can't drive 50 miles on $1.26 worth of gas. We figure we'll drive 9,123 miles per year (14,600Km). We are retired so we don't drive a lot. Running in EV Mode all the time would cost us $ 229.95 for hydro per year. The same distance with gas would cost us $1,204.92 in a regular Prius. That's around $1,000 a year in savings with a Prime. As we plan to have this car for ten years the extra money we paid for the Prime would be paid back twice over. And remember, our rebate cancelled the premium we paid for the bigger battery.
We are considering buying a Level 2 charger to replace the standard Level 1 that comes with the Prime. As a Level 2 uses 220VAC it's cheaper to charge and faster. A Level 2 for a BEV runs about $3,000 plus install. But a Level 2 for a Prime can be purchased for about $300USD.
Cheers
In Canada it seems to be a no brainer with that rebate! My calculations are all US based as we no longer have any rebates. It’s still cheaper to run the prime in the US, but the recuperation time for your money upfront is much longer here. Still, better than most PHEVs, but that’s a topic for another video!
@@Realistick Hello Again,
In Canada the rebate depends on your location as the funds come from both federal and provincial purses. With a BEV you get at least $7,000 everywhere. In some provinces you even get $7,000 for a PHEV. At .1325Kwh people here are always complaining about the cost. So, I was astonished to learn (from comments on videos on this site), how much hydro costs in some states. Well above .30Kwh in places. At those rates we'd have to reconsider a Prime for sure, especially sans a rebate. We've driven 1,400 miles (over 2,200Km), on the first tank of gas and it's still 1/3rd full.
For some odd reason the gas engine has been starting when I can see no reason for it to start. For instance, this morning I drove my wife to her post retirement part-time job. To get there involves descending from an elevation of 500' to sea level. At the bottom of that hill is a stop sign. Rolling up to it at 35mph with a 100% charge in EV Mode (and still going down hill), the engine started. It then ran for the next 3 or 4 minutes. I don't understand why. It was not necessary.
By the way; strange, but if you look under those plastic hubcaps you will find a fine set of wheels, not the plain stamped wheels usually found behind caps.
@@Realistick Just an update for you: we've accumulated 5,250Km now after four months of ownership. In that time, we've burned less than 15 gallons of gas (under 1.5 tanks). The other day we went 91Km in EV with 6% SOC left. This morning, the trip computer estimate for range on start-up was 94Km (57m). Got to love summer......
Also, I discovered that BC and Quebec (maybe Nova Scotia too), will give you $8,500 in rebates for a Prime. One would have to be mental to not take the offer. Perhaps even more astonishing, here in our province, the $5,000 rebate we were blessed with would be available a second time to anyone who might purchase our 2024 Prime (if we were foolish enough to sell it), as a used car.
I can't buy an EV even though they are cheaper here (In Mexico) because there aren't a lot of charging stations outside big cities and main roads, it limits me a lot, that's why I prefer a PHEV or just a hybrid.
Right now it's the same to get a used Tesla Model 3 in my area than it is a used 2023/2024 Prius. Used cars are going well over MSRP of new cars. The cost of markups is too damn high.
If you want to talk about cost you HAVE to talk about insurance. Insurance for a Tesla model 3 is almost 300 more than similarly priced EVs. And that’s for 6 months.
One can only guess how much more itll cost over PHEV.
Not sure I'd agree. PHEV makes sense for most people because the range in EV range will easily cover the average daily commute of most Americans.
I get the math doesn't work out but honestly, I just want to spend less time at the gas station. If I can use no gas on my daily commute - in theory I'll rarely ever need to get gas.
But yeah as you and others have pointed out - good luck finding one for msrp. This is why I'll never buy a Toyota. They're intentionally limiting inventory because they saw how profitable that was during covid.
I chose 2023 Chevy bolt EV, 259 miles of electric range, no gas engine maintenance, $30,000. Spicy performance, seats 5. Not as cute though, doesn't have giant wheels with expensive tires, like typical cars.
My work is a TOTAL ROUND TRIP of 30KM (18.64 Miles). So I can make 1.5 trips...I also have the LOWEST electricity rates in North America 10.342¢/kWh CAD (US 0.075/kWh)...so it costs $1.40 CAD ($1.02) to fully charge the car at home from 0% battery.
Your comment about "solar or steal electricity". Um...what about places that have GOOD electricity prices, duh?
A note that the XSE and higher has the sensor on the handle to unlock it on the passenger door.
About your Toyota quality...yeah trust me, Toyota...no issues for long term quality.
in BC vancouver, this thing still has a 4 year waiting list and if one does turn up, be ready to spend $3 grand on dealer markup as required service package. Its not worth it at all
One in squamish on sale
@@azizkizbayev439 I see it, the black SE for $41,535. good catch. I bought another new car already but thanks.
@@XMG3 what did you end up buying tho?😅
The Prius, and Corolla Hybrid are awesome cars. If I went with Toyota it would likely be the Corolla. Great review!
Can you check out the 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage please? It's one of, if not the most affordable new car.
IF I was going to get one, I'd get the prime, that price tho! If you drive it mostly as an EV or putting less miles on the gas engine, less time and expense of oil changes and timing belts.
They all use a timing chain and still need an oil change at the same intervals (oil breaks down with time or miles)! The battery is also about ten times larger and costs much much more to replace in the PHEV (something I should have also brought up in the video). I still like the Prime but the maintenance costs will not be meaningfully less, and far more if you stick around until the battery needs replaced!
I hope they've improved batteries longevity, but 44 ni doesn't give much headroom for range loss. They should have 90 Mi of range, especially for that price
We need the Yaris hybrid with 80mpg plus and cheap in Europe and Australia.
We had a Prius C for 12 years. Our best milage was around 55mph (in summer). The Model C was the same size and shape as a Yaris. With their current Tech., a hybrid Yaris would not get 80mph.
I would've loved to try out the XSE Premium with that solar roof. It's a stupid idea, but I want to be able to talk about it 10 years later and say how stupid it was. And how far we could come. I've been spoiled by the AWD of EVs, but well.....haha.
The car is almost perfect, i just hope they do something about the ugly headlights, its hedious! Also the wait time is unbearable, i was told to wait more than a year for it.
I'm not buying the cheapest car I can. At an average price of $47,000, neither is the average buyer. My daily drive is less than 20 miles, mostly city. I would like to upgrade my hybrid Prius to a PHEV Toyota.
It's one of the best green cars I can think of (even if the regular prius is a better value)!
Amazing video 👏
The Prius at 25k CAD after tax makes sense, but not at 55k CAD before fees and taxes.
You didn't figure in the lost opportuning cost of the extra $5K. Just put that $5K in a money market fund and it will pay you $250/yr , thus making the prime more expensive to drive than the standard Prius.
I wanted a Prius Prime phev, but bought a Tesla instead. Always better to pollute the air LESS if you can and most of just use our cars mostly for grocery grabbing.
The drivetrain is top notch, but there is too many drawbacks overall. Civic hybrid is much more impressive.
Should have the old style glass trunk
Definitely not a car for you with all the negatives you throw away. But, the perfect car for me !
“It still sounds like a vacuum cleaner with a clogged filter”
As do most gas cars.
Whenever I hear about heavy Lithium batteries I'm thankful to live in a universe where lithium is the 3rd lightest element.
Add a HV battery replacement after 15 years or so and you will see that the cost to upgrade to the prime doesn't make sense financially. I'm not sure if fuel savings in a standard hybrid recoups the battery replacement cost in them either fwiw. I am leasing a '23 prius xle and it is a fantastic car. I don't think I would buy one new however.
Plug in hybrids don't make sense. The reason to buy hybrids over ev is to save money without the hassle of charging and range anxiety.
our EV charging price at home is 0.38/kwh to 0.66/kwh..averaging 0.44 / kwh. Gas price is $5.00. Either way we are screwed. The national average price sounds too good for us.
Oh wow, even at 5 dollars a gallon, those charging costs would make most internal combustion cars cheaper to run than full evs
Jesus in the garden............... .38 ~.66. Where are you ? Here, we pay .1325Kwh and people are out of their minds over that amount. But, we do pay close to $7.00 a gallon for regular gas. We can get a full charge with our 24 Prime for way under $2.00 and drive 80Km (50 m), on that. Enough for our normal daily chores but if not the hybrid part is there.
Test drove one and wasn't impressed. Noisy engine and road noise. Cargo space not great. But it gets good mpg
Mazda CX 90 plug in hybrid is similar pricing structure. They want 5-9k premium over the gas version for 26 miles of range. Makes no sense to buy that.
I agree, except there is the lease credit which makes it weirdly cheap🤓
@@Realistick yes! Another weird quirk of the law right? It’s very strict if you buy…not many vehicles qualify. If you lease they let you get it on any car! That is as long as the OEM passes the saving to the consumer. So in 24-36 months should be lots of cheap used hybrids maybe?
@@DDGreyduck There could be! Though the buyout might be cheap enough that people might actually hold onto them. Who knows, the used market is going to be extremely odd in the next 5-10 years.
It doesn’t make sense when you can get a Tesla 3 for under 30k and the cost to install the charger is 1k
3 Ton trucks? They are now up to almost 5 tons.
You know what does makes sense ? Used phev. Especially a used honda clarity. You get 4k in federal tax credit for used phev and ev.
Shame on Toyota for forcing 19” wheels and pleather seats on us just to get heated seats and other basic features.
I want the features of the XSE but with the 17” wheels and cloth seats.
Toyota is far more interested in selling regular Prius compared to the plug in.
I can NOT buy that fraud, because of dealership price (markup) molestation. I can’t believe anyone would accept to be financing additional 5000 markup, over the already Prime 5000k extra. NO!
Really love the actual calculations that support your PHEV doesn't make sense position. Haven't seen many reviews that have actually crunched the numbers 🎉 (thanks for including our $5/gallon areas 😓🤦😆)
Almost $40k Prius 😂😂😂😂
We own three older ones, hell no we are not paying almost $40k for a Prius.
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