BYU beat Utah pretty good at their last meeting. Would Utah have scored if you take away the 25 yard net gain from the bad face mask call? Did Utah stop that last drive? Did Utah score a single point in the entire second half?
Everyone in America doesn’t see this as an egregious call. It’s just absurd Utah fans. The AD looks like a clown. You lost because you didn’t make the plays to win. That simple.
BYU won of course. Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
@@texasron9131 It was clearly a hold, every referee analyst agrees it was a good call, and the right call! The refs didn't decide this outcome, the players did. The refs didn't give them field possession to kick the field goal, Utah still let them march down the field and kick the field goal. The better team won. However, the bad call of the game was in the first half when BYU was called for "facemask" on what video review clearly shows was not. Take care and cope.
@@davus4242 Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
@@phillipcook3430 Could care less what your idol Joel thinks, he is not a referee and not an expert on the rules. He is a biased pundit and much of the time he just goes against the grain to get attention. He is not a good source for unbiased application of the rules. The commentators calling the game reviewed it live on air and even said it was a good call. However, on the other hand, every professional referee analyst across the country says it was the correct call even at that time of the game. I have yet to hear of one disagreeing. Sorry, you're so hurt that the ute player got caught cheating at the end of the game. Further, the refs didn't put BYU in field goal range; BYU had to go another 55 yards down the field to kick that ball. Utah's defense should have stopped them. The bad calls of the game happened in the second quarter, and they helped Utah. That also happens to be the only quarter the Utes scored points. BYU held them scoreless in the other three quarters. Hopefully, Utah will rebound this week and beat Colorado. Take care.
BYU was very lucky to win. But it had nothing to do with the refs. The reason that they were lucky is that they played poorly on offense and defense but their special teams came through in a big way. They should've been able to handle the Utes rather easily. But their poor performance made the game closer than it ever had the business of being.
man those late substitution were a mess, byu needs to fix that...their gameplan was not fluid, it seemed clunky and uncharacteristic of a supposedly top 10 team in the nation. They need fix how they play moving forward if they want to be respected in the nation or even sniff at a playoff run.
The coach and the AD should have calmed down before they sat down in front of the camera. Their immaturity was on full display. I’m sure they’re regretting it now.
Look, so many arm chair quarterbacks and recliner refs focus on calls made in the final moments of a game; blaming these calls for outcomes. However, the logical and statistical truth is the very first call made in any game can have the same effect. As an example, go analyze the clearly bad face mask call against BYU. That call clearly had an effect on the game’s outcome.
The U of who is the last program that should talk about referees putting their thumb on the scale. Especially coming from the pac 12. They had plenty of games given to them by highly questionable calls, including letting an officiating team that was supposed to be suspended for their bad calls the week before come to the Y and hand Utah an unearned win. Or when the PAC12 ruled that a BYU player who had both of his knees on the ground somehow fumbled the ball in a late hit. Utah also got a share of questionable calls like the face mask call that turned a 10 yard sack into a 15 yard first down on a scoring drive. Unless college football changed the rules to include jerseys as part of the face mask the BYU players hands were no where near to grabbing the face mask. In any case all Utah’s AD accomplished is proving Max Hall right.
Refs did a normal job. some missed calls and some good calls. The call in question was holding. However why does Utah not complain about the phantom face mask call that gave them a TD. If you are going to complain, be fair at least.
As a BYU alumni, of course I was routing for BYU but Utah despite there many injuries, played very well. I thought we were going to lose when I saw Utah 21-BYu 10 and turned the screen off. Later I found out BYU won. Thought the Utes had this one. Well, Utes are a great team. Hope they do well this year. As for the Cougars, keep doing your best regardless.
Utah got more favorable calls than byu that led to points for them . Utahs AD is just upset that they were close and have had such a frustrating season . BYU continues to be disrespected by the media and a lot of uneducated fans . BYU should actually easily be ranked in the top 5 in playoff rankings if you base it on resume which is what you should do especially with so much parity this season .
There’s a lot of liberty in that first 5 yards off the line of scrimmage. The ref didn’t throw the flag until the second time the cornerback made contact with the receiver, when he grabbed and pulled down on his jersey, causing the receiver’s shoulder to drop down. Also, if you look at the qb’s eyes on this play, he’s looking to his left where the receiver is. He could have made a quick throw to him but didn’t want to because he was being held. If the qb was looking to the other receivers on the right, the ref wouldn’t have thrown the flag.
clearly a hold that directly affected the play. the WR's shoulder gets turned and dips down WHILE the QB is reading him. FIRE Harlan. we don't need punk bass itches punching down on ppl.
BYU won of course. Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
@phillipcook3430 do you really think that the corners were stretching jerseys all game? He was going to be beat in the route. It was a good hold that probably saved BYU from getting a touchdown. It gave Utah's awesome defense another chance for a stop, which with how both teams were playing was very likely. That's the cup half full perspective...
As a former student at the University of Utah I am really not suprised by the actions of the A.D. and coach. Utah has had many great wins over the last few years under Whittingham but it has very much gone to their collective heads. They have become very pompus and just expect that they are going to beat everyone and that the other teams should live in fear of their defense. I think this season is the best thing that could have happened to the program. temper tantrums from adults is just pathetic.
Utah beat themselves. They had BYU pinned on their own goal line. A 10 yard penalty DID NOT put BYU in scoring position. For whatever reason the Utah defense fell apart after BYU moved to their own 17 yard line with the penalty. Why did they stop doing what was crushing every play BYU tried to run? They have no one to blame but themselves.
they had a face mask in the first half that was BS and wiped out a 10 yd loss and gave them 15 yds, a 25 yd difference on a drive that Utah ended up scoring a TD. I've watched Utah games in Utah pubs with tons of Utah fans and they bitch and moan at the officials on every single play. It's not that the officials are costing them the game, it's that the Officials aren't helping them win.
I'm surprised y'all didn't talk about the Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the last play of the game. Harlan ran onto the field during the play to scream at the refs. He's an absolute crybaby and Utah needs to fire him if they want to get their reputation out of the toilet
Is Brock Osweiller a QB? Every QB I know thinks every receiver is held on every play. What’s interesting is the 50+ much more egregious holds were magically never called. So why would this one minor hold, which isn’t even clear (if you know football and understand the 5 yard press coverage ‘rule’), be called when it determines the game?
I feel like they deserve blame too but against BYU because they were garbage through and 2nd and 3rd quarter and didn't even give BYU a chance to kick a field goal at the end of the half because they did not review the 11 second runoff
I think the biggest problem to the holding call was the coach's and AD's reaction. Instead of winning, they needed to stay calm, pull that team together, rally the troops, and get a stop. The "leaders" set the tone for the team. They blew it after the call and after the game. Grow up for crying out loud.
The 4&10 flag came out after the sack. Hum. Utah should be playing to win every play. The offensive coordinator(2) both play not to lose. They are terrified to piss Whitt off. Brandon Rose plays great. But they need to let him keep throwing it over 10 yards to win.
The flag most certainly did not come out after the sack. Utah is known for holding. And whining. It's sports. 20+ bad calls have gone against BYU in this rivalry. It's part of the game. The refs didn't shut down your offense 3 out of 4 quarters, the refs didn't make him hold, the refs didn't allow byu to get into field goal range, but earlier in the game there was a bogus face mask on byu that set the 3rd touchdown up for utah. Gonna cry about that call? Calls happen
The hold- ish was within the 5 yard buffer zone. It was 4th down and they just got off the play before on a late time out. Back to back last chances for undefeated (team down south who soaks) ACC Miami vs VT and Miami vs California!!! Love your show. Especially the knowledge on all 132 college football teams. 👍
Didn't see the entire game, unfortunately. Only highlights. If the refs were calling pass interference on similar plays throughout the game, then one can say "you were warned" that close touching might well be called PI. If, however if the refs were not calling pass interference on similar plays throughout the game, then one can reasonably say that something isn't right or fair. Would be good to know from you all that watched the entire game to get a feel for the legitimacy of the call at that time in the game.
Nice insight Joel. However, on a fourth down and 10 where the quarterback is going to get blitzed, and only has three seconds to get the ball out, holding his number one option for a quick pass is not ok. Sorry man! They also didn’t call ineligible man downfield all game, should BYU have done that and then complained when it gets called?
BYU won of course. Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
Very lucky. ? They have 1 timeout with a minute and 30 seconds. They are on the 7 yard line. After a busted play with a safety happens. They get a time out? Why was the play not stopped.. and why would the coach use his time out if he didn't already see what was happening in the play.. but ok. Maybe he did call it before.. wow that's lucky. But then on the next play they get a holding call? Did you see how far the ref was from the play that made that call.? Maybe it was the right call. But he wouldn't have been able to tell. Wow. How much luck can you get?. Then they rule a pass that they couldn't actually see him catch it.. A catch. They refs are not supposed to call it a catch unless they see it caught.. sometimes it's bobbled or they couldn't tell they were out of bounce. But they didn't see him catch it. You couldn't even see or tell for sure on the replay if it was. But they already ruled it a catch. So the call on the field stood. Wow. Even more luck. It's low for even one of these things to happen at the end of a game.. but all three. Yet BYU fans think it's absurd that Utah fans think the refs were biased. 🙄
Sounds like only one angle was viewed. Might want to check the videos from other angles. Then it might make sense why Cougar fans “see” the fouls called as reality.
If your program was as good as Utes fans and your coaches think, losing your starting QB wouldn't be the difference between a 10 or 11 win season and a 4 or 5 win season. If your team was so good that it was going "run the Big XII," you should still be able to pull off a 7 or 8 win season without Rising. He's literally never thrown for even 3,000 yards in a single season, yet he's on your Mt. Rushmore of QBs. lol
4 bad calls in a row... Former PAC 12 refs helping the undefeated team. Acc has been helping Miami. The UConn coach called them out with wake forest because he can't get fined... It's sec big ten super league or end sports betting lol
BYU beat Utah pretty good at their last meeting. Would Utah have scored if you take away the 25 yard net gain from the bad face mask call? Did Utah stop that last drive? Did Utah score a single point in the entire second half?
Utah should be mad at themselves for throwing 2 picks and not scoring in the second half.
The Utes Athletic Director turns the loss of a football game into an ignominious defeat for their entire University.
He's a fool... who makes himself look foolish.
Calling out the officiating is one thing, but saying you don’t like the conference you’re in really embarrassed the school. Way too over the top.
Draws national attention for all the wrong reasons 🙄
Everyone in America doesn’t see this as an egregious call. It’s just absurd Utah fans. The AD looks like a clown. You lost because you didn’t make the plays to win. That simple.
BYU won of course. Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
It wasn't a bad call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was the right call !
I don’t care about either team … it was a bad call that altered the game at a critical time.
@@texasron9131 It was clearly a hold, every referee analyst agrees it was a good call, and the right call! The refs didn't decide this outcome, the players did. The refs didn't give them field possession to kick the field goal, Utah still let them march down the field and kick the field goal. The better team won.
However, the bad call of the game was in the first half when BYU was called for "facemask" on what video review clearly shows was not.
Take care and cope.
@@texasron9131 I don’t care about either team either but it was a hold fam
@@davus4242 Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
@@phillipcook3430 Could care less what your idol Joel thinks, he is not a referee and not an expert on the rules. He is a biased pundit and much of the time he just goes against the grain to get attention. He is not a good source for unbiased application of the rules. The commentators calling the game reviewed it live on air and even said it was a good call.
However, on the other hand, every professional referee analyst across the country says it was the correct call even at that time of the game. I have yet to hear of one disagreeing.
Sorry, you're so hurt that the ute player got caught cheating at the end of the game.
Further, the refs didn't put BYU in field goal range; BYU had to go another 55 yards down the field to kick that ball. Utah's defense should have stopped them.
The bad calls of the game happened in the second quarter, and they helped Utah. That also happens to be the only quarter the Utes scored points. BYU held them scoreless in the other three quarters.
Hopefully, Utah will rebound this week and beat Colorado. Take care.
BYU was very lucky to win. But it had nothing to do with the refs. The reason that they were lucky is that they played poorly on offense and defense but their special teams came through in a big way. They should've been able to handle the Utes rather easily. But their poor performance made the game closer than it ever had the business of being.
man those late substitution were a mess, byu needs to fix that...their gameplan was not fluid, it seemed clunky and uncharacteristic of a supposedly top 10 team in the nation. They need fix how they play moving forward if they want to be respected in the nation or even sniff at a playoff run.
You call a shut out in the 2nd half bad defense? Thats stupid.
If you have to depend on a single play to win a game, you've already lost.
The coach and the AD should have calmed down before they sat down in front of the camera. Their immaturity was on full display. I’m sure they’re regretting it now.
Look, so many arm chair quarterbacks and recliner refs focus on calls made in the final moments of a game; blaming these calls for outcomes. However, the logical and statistical truth is the very first call made in any game can have the same effect. As an example, go analyze the clearly bad face mask call against BYU. That call clearly had an effect on the game’s outcome.
That’s an excellent point
The U of who is the last program that should talk about referees putting their thumb on the scale. Especially coming from the pac 12. They had plenty of games given to them by highly questionable calls, including letting an officiating team that was supposed to be suspended for their bad calls the week before come to the Y and hand Utah an unearned win. Or when the PAC12 ruled that a BYU player who had both of his knees on the ground somehow fumbled the ball in a late hit.
Utah also got a share of questionable calls like the face mask call that turned a 10 yard sack into a 15 yard first down on a scoring drive. Unless college football changed the rules to include jerseys as part of the face mask the BYU players hands were no where near to grabbing the face mask.
In any case all Utah’s AD accomplished is proving Max Hall right.
Max Hall was right that some BYU players break the rules and don’t get disciplined.
Perfectly said
@@phillipcook3430 if one call is enough to steal the game from the U of U maybe the U should reconsider their sports programs.
Refs did a normal job. some missed calls and some good calls. The call in question was holding. However why does Utah not complain about the phantom face mask call that gave them a TD. If you are going to complain, be fair at least.
If the call was wrong it was wrong. It is not helpful to point out other wrong calls. By the way I don't care about this game.
Nobody is talking about the byu defense only allowing 79 yards in the 2nd half and only 10 yard on utahs last 3 possessions.
BYU is on to KU.
As a BYU alumni, of course I was routing for BYU but Utah despite there many injuries, played very well. I thought we were going to lose when I saw Utah 21-BYu 10 and turned the screen off. Later I found out BYU won. Thought the Utes had this one. Well, Utes are a great team. Hope they do well this year. As for the Cougars, keep doing your best regardless.
I would honestly like to see the Utah AD sued for defamation by the officials he accused of rigging the game.
Utah got more favorable calls than byu that led to points for them . Utahs AD is just upset that they were close and have had such a frustrating season . BYU continues to be disrespected by the media and a lot of uneducated fans . BYU should actually easily be ranked in the top 5 in playoff rankings if you base it on resume which is what you should do especially with so much parity this season .
There’s a lot of liberty in that first 5 yards off the line of scrimmage. The ref didn’t throw the flag until the second time the cornerback made contact with the receiver, when he grabbed and pulled down on his jersey, causing the receiver’s shoulder to drop down. Also, if you look at the qb’s eyes on this play, he’s looking to his left where the receiver is. He could have made a quick throw to him but didn’t want to because he was being held. If the qb was looking to the other receivers on the right, the ref wouldn’t have thrown the flag.
clearly a hold that directly affected the play. the WR's shoulder gets turned and dips down WHILE the QB is reading him. FIRE Harlan. we don't need punk bass itches punching down on ppl.
BYU won of course. Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
@phillipcook3430 do you really think that the corners were stretching jerseys all game? He was going to be beat in the route. It was a good hold that probably saved BYU from getting a touchdown. It gave Utah's awesome defense another chance for a stop, which with how both teams were playing was very likely. That's the cup half full perspective...
Utah made a blatant holding call, the refs called it. A referee who doesn't call that because of a certain time of the game should not be a ref.
Utah the most insufferable team in the BIG-12 😘
In college?
In the world?
@@thomasb5828In the entire universe! 🤡
As a former student at the University of Utah I am really not suprised by the actions of the A.D. and coach. Utah has had many great wins over the last few years under Whittingham but it has very much gone to their collective heads. They have become very pompus and just expect that they are going to beat everyone and that the other teams should live in fear of their defense. I think this season is the best thing that could have happened to the program. temper tantrums from adults is just pathetic.
Exactly, they act like winning the Pac-12 and getting blown out in the Rose bowl is the pinnacle of success
There was an offensive holding call that was BS the preceding drive that took Utah out of FG position.
Utah beat themselves. They had BYU pinned on their own goal line. A 10 yard penalty DID NOT put BYU in scoring position. For whatever reason the Utah defense fell apart after BYU moved to their own 17 yard line with the penalty. Why did they stop doing what was crushing every play BYU tried to run? They have no one to blame but themselves.
Big difference between a CB hand fighting with a WR and him grabbing a jersey and pulling. No can do!
Isn’t Utah on their 3rd string quarterback?
Yup
Utah didn't score a point in the second half. What are you talking about? Utes are the most annoying team in all of college football
they had a face mask in the first half that was BS and wiped out a 10 yd loss and gave them 15 yds, a 25 yd difference on a drive that Utah ended up scoring a TD. I've watched Utah games in Utah pubs with tons of Utah fans and they bitch and moan at the officials on every single play. It's not that the officials are costing them the game, it's that the Officials aren't helping them win.
No! #5 deserves to be raked over the coals for the holding!! This is not on the refs!
Maybe they should have complained about the refs in the Colorado game where they lost by a lot more than the BYU game.
I'm surprised y'all didn't talk about the Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the last play of the game. Harlan ran onto the field during the play to scream at the refs. He's an absolute crybaby and Utah needs to fire him if they want to get their reputation out of the toilet
Is Brock Osweiller a QB? Every QB I know thinks every receiver is held on every play.
What’s interesting is the 50+ much more egregious holds were magically never called. So why would this one minor hold, which isn’t even clear (if you know football and understand the 5 yard press coverage ‘rule’), be called when it determines the game?
Holy war?? One side is quite UNHOLY!!
I feel like they deserve blame too but against BYU because they were garbage through and 2nd and 3rd quarter and didn't even give BYU a chance to kick a field goal at the end of the half because they did not review the 11 second runoff
Cover 3 is such an awesome podcast!!!!
I think the biggest problem to the holding call was the coach's and AD's reaction. Instead of winning, they needed to stay calm, pull that team together, rally the troops, and get a stop. The "leaders" set the tone for the team. They blew it after the call and after the game. Grow up for crying out loud.
Yes
No they weren’t. I’ve watched the play several times.
Game over move on
The 4&10 flag came out after the sack. Hum. Utah should be playing to win every play. The offensive coordinator(2) both play not to lose. They are terrified to piss Whitt off. Brandon Rose plays great. But they need to let him keep throwing it over 10 yards to win.
The flag most certainly did not come out after the sack. Utah is known for holding. And whining. It's sports. 20+ bad calls have gone against BYU in this rivalry. It's part of the game. The refs didn't shut down your offense 3 out of 4 quarters, the refs didn't make him hold, the refs didn't allow byu to get into field goal range, but earlier in the game there was a bogus face mask on byu that set the 3rd touchdown up for utah. Gonna cry about that call? Calls happen
Bruh flag came before the sack. Don’t try to skew things to fit your emotional narrative. Watch it back before you make such baseless claims.
Watch the video. Flag came out immediately. Don't repeat stuff just because you heard someone else say it.
Wrong! It was not a late flag.
The hold- ish was within the 5 yard buffer zone. It was 4th down and they just got off the play before on a late time out. Back to back last chances for undefeated (team down south who soaks) ACC Miami vs VT and Miami vs California!!! Love your show. Especially the knowledge on all 132 college football teams. 👍
Didn't see the entire game, unfortunately. Only highlights. If the refs were calling pass interference on similar plays throughout the game, then one can say "you were warned" that close touching might well be called PI. If, however if the refs were not calling pass interference on similar plays throughout the game, then one can reasonably say that something isn't right or fair. Would be good to know from you all that watched the entire game to get a feel for the legitimacy of the call at that time in the game.
Nice insight Joel. However, on a fourth down and 10 where the quarterback is going to get blitzed, and only has three seconds to get the ball out, holding his number one option for a quick pass is not ok. Sorry man! They also didn’t call ineligible man downfield all game, should BYU have done that and then complained when it gets called?
They were “letting them play” for the most part.
BYU won of course. Still doesn’t make any call a good or bad call. Watch Joel Klatt explain from his perspective that it was a bad call based on how the whole cornerback game was called up to that point. The refs set a precedent up to that point and strayed from it on that call.
Need to let them play and stop calling every little thing.
Sports without rules? How does that work?
Very lucky. ? They have 1 timeout with a minute and 30 seconds. They are on the 7 yard line. After a busted play with a safety happens. They get a time out? Why was the play not stopped.. and why would the coach use his time out if he didn't already see what was happening in the play.. but ok. Maybe he did call it before.. wow that's lucky. But then on the next play they get a holding call? Did you see how far the ref was from the play that made that call.? Maybe it was the right call. But he wouldn't have been able to tell. Wow. How much luck can you get?. Then they rule a pass that they couldn't actually see him catch it.. A catch. They refs are not supposed to call it a catch unless they see it caught.. sometimes it's bobbled or they couldn't tell they were out of bounce. But they didn't see him catch it. You couldn't even see or tell for sure on the replay if it was. But they already ruled it a catch. So the call on the field stood. Wow. Even more luck. It's low for even one of these things to happen at the end of a game.. but all three. Yet BYU fans think it's absurd that Utah fans think the refs were biased. 🙄
Sounds like only one angle was viewed. Might want to check the videos from other angles. Then it might make sense why Cougar fans “see” the fouls called as reality.
No call when Rising was hit 20 feet out of bounds that ruined our season.
Ruined your season😂😂glass rising would’ve found another way to get hurt
Oh wow. Dude, get some therapy
If rising got a mosquito bite it would have ruined your season. You just have to accept that you are little brother to BYU.
If your program was as good as Utes fans and your coaches think, losing your starting QB wouldn't be the difference between a 10 or 11 win season and a 4 or 5 win season. If your team was so good that it was going "run the Big XII," you should still be able to pull off a 7 or 8 win season without Rising. He's literally never thrown for even 3,000 yards in a single season, yet he's on your Mt. Rushmore of QBs. lol
4 bad calls in a row... Former PAC 12 refs helping the undefeated team. Acc has been helping Miami. The UConn coach called them out with wake forest because he can't get fined... It's sec big ten super league or end sports betting lol