Mahābhārata - History or Mythology? I Prof. Robert P. Goldman

[@allanrajensingh2256]

Greeting from South Africa. Very interesting. Thank you for a very enlightening talk.

[@jorgikralj905]

At the begining was said, that there are no archeological proves.....

[@mikedesi5513]

Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins and war of Mahabharata was fought by kuru tribes there is some exaggeration and story telling but core story did happen as this kind of fight for kingdom and power is universal

[@MaxPayne-fi1mz]

If he's saying it's historical... I mean The Arab historical books has a 200 year gap between events and that's just if we are extremely skeptical of works of Ibn Ishaq.... If we take Ibn Ishaq as a book(it's referenced in many later books), then the gap is reduced at best to 100 years.... They also have broad chains of narrations... And yet many historians argue for an skeptical approach... If that is the level of skepticism there, in that case.... Mahabharat is simply ahistorical.... I don't like such historical inconsistencies by historians....

[@ST-ej8nu]

Vedas richas r written by women .....forbidden 🤣🤣🤣

[@devvratmishra9000]

it seems like a good joke could you clear the context please

[@buddhahistory]

Ashoka is Arjun in Mahabharat mythology and Buddha is Krishna.

[@devvratmishra9000]

this hypothesis can hardly be substantiated , secondly , krishna finds his mention in pre buddhist scriptures like atharva veda and chandogya upanishad.
all we can say safely is that mahabharata has a historical core which took place around 1500-1000 BCE . and has stories , myths and legends added to it .
the event described in mahabharata is the infighting of kuru tribes leading to their downfall and yadavas taking over from there on.

[@buddhahistory]

@@devvratmishra9000 *भारत मे मंदिरों का इतिहास*
*Ram Ayodhya Singh*
*पूरे देश में बौद्ध मठों का विध्वंस कर ही मंदिरों का निर्माण किया गया है. यह तथ्य देश भर में अबतक हुई पुरातात्त्विक खुदाई से साबित हो गया है. यही नहीं, गौतम बुद्ध को ही विष्णु के रूप में प्रक्षेपित और प्रतिष्ठापित भी किया गया है.*
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*J.p. Shukla :*
*यह सच्चाई है, तिरुपति, बद्रीनाथ, पूरी में मूल रूप से बुद्ध की, विष्णु के रूप में पूजा हो रही है. महायान के कचड़े पर तथाकथित हिंदू / सनातन धर्म खड़ा है!*
*वैदिक संस्कृति एक फ्रॉड है और यह संस्कृत की तरह ईशा के बाद विकसित हुई है!*
*भविष्य पुराण में रानी विक्टोरिया का जिक्र है. पुराण/प्राचीन कह भर देने से कोई चीज पुरानी नहीं हो जाती. प्रमाण होना चाहिए.*
*बाल्मीकि रामायण में बुद्ध का जिक्र किया गया है और गाली दी गई है--इससे क्या प्रमाणित होता है? यही कि बुद्ध पहले हुए हैं.*
*वाल्मीकि रामायण, बुद्ध के बाद लिखी गई, जो इन लिखे हुए श्लोकों से सिद्ध है :*
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*●सम्राट अशोक के शिलालेखों में राम का कोई उल्लेख नहीं है, जबकि रामायण में बुद्ध का वर्णन है ! इससे यह साबित होता है कि रामायण की रचना बुद्ध के बाद, (दसवे मौर्य सम्राट बृहद्रथ की साजिशन हत्या व पुष्यमित्र शुंग के समय से), शुरू हुई...*
*●रामायण में बुद्ध के सबूत देखिए, जिनमें बुद्ध के प्रति ईर्ष्या को प्रदर्शित किया गया है -*
“निन्दाम्यहं कर्म पितुः कृतं, तद्धस्तवामगृह्वाद्विप मस्थबुद्धिम्।
बुद्धयाऽनयैवंविधया चरन्त,
सुनास्तिकं धर्मपथादपेतम्।।”
*- अयोध्याकाण्ड, सर्ग - 109. श्लोक : 33*
• सरलार्थ :-
*हे जावाली! मैं अपने पिता (दशरथ) के इस कार्य की निन्दा करता हूँ कि उन्होने तुम्हारे जैसे वेदमार्ग से भ्रष्ट बुद्धि वाले धर्मच्युत नास्तिक को, अपने यहाँ रखा. क्योंकि ‘बुद्ध’ जैसे नास्तिक मार्गी, जो दूसरों को उपदेश देते हुए घूमा-फिरा करते है, वे केवल घोर नास्तिक ही नहीं, प्रत्युत धर्ममार्ग से च्युत भी हैं!*
*2)*
“यथा हि चोरः स,
तथा ही बुद्ध स्तथागतं।
नास्तिक मंत्र विद्धि तस्माद्धि
यः शक्यतमः प्रजानाम्
स नास्तिकेनाभिमुखो बुद्धः स्यातम् ।।”
*- (अयोध्याकांड, सर्ग -109, श्लोक: 34*
•सरलार्थ :-
*जैसे चोर दंडनीय होता है, इसी प्रकार ‘तथागत बुद्ध’ और और उनके नास्तिक अनुयायी भी दंडनीय है.*
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[@devvratmishra9000]

@@buddhahistory
Vaman meshram ka chusna band karo Mitra.

[@buddhahistory]

@@devvratmishra9000 विदेशीयों के नाजायज औलादों ज्यादा दिन तुम्हारा खेल नहीं चलेगा मित्र

[@devvratmishra9000]

@@buddhahistory
Bhai har koi videshi hi hai.
Moolniwasi bhi kabhi africa se aye , uske baad iranian hunter gatherer , phir steppe pastoralists.
Tumko bas pehle ke videshi pasand hai baad ke nhi .
Tathagat Buddha bhi videshi Aryan kshatriya ki aulad the .

[@ecpavanec]

this is again listening from others who doesn't belong to India. Why don't you setup some call with Saints of India . scholars of India and discuss these. there are no counter questions , it does shows you guys doesn't know anything so whatever he says is truth in this conversation. you better keep good scholar opposite then do it. he can't even understand who is indra you have asked him to be part of this call.

[@MaxPayne-fi1mz]

I still don't understand how, from an academic perspective, such texts can even be taken seriously? We need a critical historical approach. As my previous comment said, even for a religion with Islam, where the sources are much earlier, accounts have much much more rational explanation of events, even confirmation in many areas like the dating of uthmanic codex, the archaeological evacuation of pre-islamic poetry found in actually later Islamic sources which critical historians would dismiss as propoganda... My point is atleast there was this skeptical approach and many still, as a methodology, try to think outside of these sources.....
We should take a similar stand to all religious sources..... This video seems like just to somehow portray that believing in tradition is rational which is just impossible in this specific case.