Thankyou for your service Rick. Long time musician who worked in the LA scene and now live in the Northwest scoring film. A sad example how it's all about the bottom line.... th-cam.com/video/hVq5ZcE2d_Q/w-d-xo.html
Being 60 this year and played music for more than 45 years, you and Rick are two of the top YT pages I refers to for continuing to learn. Thanks Christian (and Rick) for helping me continue my musical journey into my 60's!!
Christian Henson and Rick Beato are the international music industry's real world experts and leaders in the field of professional music, I watch videos from both and they are acurate and informative with the correct information and no BS. It is fantastic to see both of you together sharing your experience and knowledge. Thank you!
It's great to hear when an audio engineer or producer has been a performer before. I think it helps them understand musicians better on what they are going for!
I think the music industry as a collective would be wise to listen more to their participants and this conversation would make a great example for that.
This was a surprise. Big fan of Rick Beato and Christian Henson... so to discover they not only knew each other but interview each other ia a genuine delight. Thinking about starting my own vlog now.
I like seeing the Scottish countryside in your videos. I visited Edinburgh years ago and have fond memories of my visit. If I knew half of what Rick Beato knows, I would be awesome.
On the subject of music being used on TH-cam channels... I'm a commercial video editor and we use production or library music on everything. Absolutely everything. I realize that isn't an option for the average TH-cam content creator. A single use license from, say, Universal Production Music, would be out of budget for most content creators. I get that. But I think it does open up opportunities for those who compose library music. That's the journey I'm on now. I've used library music every day for years, so I'm very aware of what works and what doesn't. As a musician I'm now spending my free time learning to compose music with the specific goal of producing library music. Christian, I've watched your videos where you mention library music countless times by now, and they serve as a reminder of the journey I'm on. I'm taking your advice of being laser focused on that kind of music.
Just discovered your Channal and I'm a huge Fan of Rick Beato - I enjoy so much to get behind all of this and what makes Music great ;-) go on ... greetz from germany ;-)
Great to see guys who inspire me the most here on youtube in one video! Been following Rick for a couple of years, probably the most valuable music theory content, period. Also really enjoy modular mondays and your sampling videos. It's hard to overestimate your role in my development as a musician. Thank you!
Great interview w/ the pioneer in the You tube world...and Mr.Hanson has a new follower...thank you both for your knowledge and always teaching us. Cheers and blessings to you both and a HUGE thank you to you both for what you do..
This is something like a summit - two big influencers getting together. I hope you two do this every few years. Atlanta is a lovely town, Christian. In the future, go there, check it out and check in with Rick. Thanks .
Great to see these two together..lots of talent and great insight. ..I'd love to see some sort of collaboration exploring the pop side of film music and the classical /traditional elements in pop. Thanks Christian and Rick!
Music College Degree of the future: Music 101 - Making T-shirts Music 102 - Making Clever Mugs Music 201 - Video Making Music 301 - Getting a real job Music 302 - Scales & other pointless stuff
Yet there are ten's of thousands of successful rich musicians all over the world...i guess its just about being really good, if your not, start designing mugs.
I hope Ricks followers find their way to your amazing channel. Thanks to Rick, Im a die hard follower of your channel. Not only your channel is rich in information, your execution is very entertaining.
Thank you for the interesting interview. Just a slight pedantic remark from a computer science student - 17:10 - we're still far, far away from being able to write code automatically. It's a theoretical computer science nightmare of a problem that has seen very little advancement over the past few decades.
You knowledge is beyond unreal currently working my way through your film currently have nearly a full note pad of notes from your videos it’s has shot my knowledge and composition skills beyond what I thought possible I’m am from Glasgow and would love to one day have the possibility to shadow you to learn even more keep up the incredible work!!!
I saw Rick's Apple rant. That was an absolute fkn belter. He really went to town on them and it was absolutely priceless as well as hilarious. Apple's dirty laundry was well and truely aired. lol
Christian, besides the fact that you are a brilliant composer, I am pretty sure that you would be a great orchestra conductor too. Even an auditif handicapped person can get an idea of what you are saying by the way you use expression! Thanks for sharing!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video! The conversation on music, TH-cam, and the music industry is a valuable one. I certainly hope for positive change in the way things are done. Time will tell, I suppose.
The music industry still doesn't have a clue of the future. Trying to hold on to what they only see in front of their faces not what's coming down the pipeline. I would agree that they are seriously jeopardizing the legacy that many wonderful artists/music is. In the near future our younger generation won't really know about The Beatles, The Stones and tons of other big and small gems in our classic & modern music history. ... And all because they would rather make a dollar today as opposed to making more dollars in the long run and securing the legacy of our music culture for generations to come. Very, very short sighted of them.
Great video from two of my favourite channels, thanks guys! I have a strong feeling as soon as well developed automated algorithmic composition becomes commonplace, there will be a race against the industry for most video content. If music can't figure out a good way to license the creative works of humans reasonably, humans will be replaced in the equation. Unfortunate, but it seems to be the direction things are heading.
Really enjoyed your tutorial on the Spitfire Labs Drums kit and drum programming. And because of watching you and Rick, I'm working on creating some merch based on my album covers/video art.
Christian... I very much enjoyed this video. Now how about doing one with Guy Michelmore? I LEARNED ALL ABOUT Spitfire Audio by watching his channel and will soon be purchasing Albion One, whether I do anything of note with it or not! Seeing you and Rick together is very enjoyable! Thanks again!
I watched Rick's "the blockers are back" and it's shocking how our industry insists on shooting themselves in the foot! TH-cam/Google are still infants IMHO and have a lot to learn. It is an amazing service and I hope they stop long enough to set things straight before they get strangled by regulations. Funny, my audiophile friends got all hot over the video Rick mentioned and I did my best to tell them what a great educator he is and to "get over it and learn". Not much chance of that ha ha. Anywho, keep up the great work both of you and I'll keep liking your vids.
If the music labels and youtube could agree on that labels are only entitled to the percentage of the video where the music is being played, I think that would be something everyone could stand behind.
I think the music industry has changed and evolved with the technology and this is a major growing pain of that change. maybe in 10 years everyone will look back and just shake their heads at all this copyright stuff. It is almost like bad publicity is better than no publicity. As far as people actively searching out youtube videos for copyrights, do you think it's the actual artists, producers? or someone else in the business chain that is pushing for that. To me, like you said, if someone takes one of my tracks and has it in their youtube video and it gets millions of views, it would be up to me to capitalize on that. I would not argue with a small piece of their pie if they so chose to throw it at me but I am not going to go beg for it.
3 years later, what I think everyone needs is copyright arbitration, instead of outright copyright enforcement. That is, when someone makes a video (or any art) that contains music, some way to decide how to split revenue between the video or art creator and the musician. And, of course, only split actual revenue. I know this is difficult, because it is a case-by-case decision. But here is the plan: A) acknowledge that everyone involved contributes, sometimes more and sometimes less, B) set up some guidelines and let algorithms figure out how to likely split revenues, C) when contributors disagree with this, let them go into arbitration, where things are settled with a discussion, which can be partially formalized (i.e. fill out an online form that already gives lots of options to select from, and also a free text field). Also, maybe it should be possible for creators to get into a tier of recognized artists, and give them the possibility to suggest a certain split of revenues. They can then submit this request together with their video (or art), and either get an automated decision, or the other artists whose works are cited / included can be asked for an (optional) manual review. I believe this is much better than the current form of going for copyright strikes, and the need to overcome huge barriers to fight back. And the basic idea is that creators are on both sides (or all sides) of this process, and that it makes more sense to find a good split of revenues. Actual copyright strikes are then only a special case of this, where the copier gets a very small cut of the split (still acknowledging the dissemination work that they do). And of course consent arbitration is another element of this: if an artist wants control about how their art is used, it should be possible for them to withdraw consent or to require explicit consent, or to give consent by default only in certain categories, and the video / art creator should get a chance to react to this. The platform can still automatically block a video (or refuse to publish it in the first place), for example, if compliance cannot be reached within a reasonable time. I think and hope that this is a better approach than going for tough measures upfront, and making the whole process difficult. I believe it should be easier and not so anxiety-fraught to create things, and to cite or include the work of others, while compensation is being taken care of. Of course, this makes the platform a publisher. And of course, publishers / platforms will still have cases where things are difficult. This doesn’t solve every problem or dispute, it is just supposed to make things generally more bearable, and to open up possibilities. Hope this makes a little sense (to someone reading this youtube comment 3 years after the video release 🤣😅). Cheers!
Some creators are avoiding using music, but a lot of the big creators (Casey Neistat, iJustine, Jenna Marbles, etc.) are still using music, they're just licensing it from the various stock music companies, like Epidemic
I took that test and some of them you can tell and some you can't. The more "pop-like" songs are easily distinguishable, but the real instrument songs are almost impossible to tell. You cant tell high quality guitar distortion from low quality... both are distorted.
You and Rick should go and meet with Susan and find out what the score is from their perspective. You will at the very least, find out what can be done. I'm having visions of Frank Zappa vs Tipper Gore, but you two guys together might be able to change her trajectory.
Dear Christian, are you familiar with the channel "Um Café Lá Em Casa"? Nelson Faria, the host for this show, is one of the most important musicians in Brazil with 8 books on Brazilian music, improvisation, etc... Check him out! Can be a very nice exchange between you two!
Thank you again for all your hospitality Christian. My video with you will be coming soon!
This is like Knight Rider showing up in the A-Team!!!
Rick Beato love it
Rick and Christian you rules! Thank you so much for your knowledge! David from Japan.
Thankyou for your service Rick. Long time musician who worked in the LA scene and now live in the Northwest scoring film.
A sad example how it's all about the bottom line.... th-cam.com/video/hVq5ZcE2d_Q/w-d-xo.html
Rick Beato pleasure was all mine Rick!
Avengers: this is the most ambitious cross over event in history
Christian Henson: Hold my flautando
Tyler Walton YES!!!!
:D
HA!!
Haha, best comment on his channel.
Now we'll finally listen to a Lydian scale played by flautando strings.
Being 60 this year and played music for more than 45 years, you and Rick are two of the top YT pages I refers to for continuing to learn. Thanks Christian (and Rick) for helping me continue my musical journey into my 60's!!
My two favourite creators in the same room! Thanks for filming this conversation! Would love to have the chance to meet one of you one day!
Christian Henson and Rick Beato are the international music industry's real world experts and leaders in the field of professional music, I watch videos from both and they are acurate and informative with the correct information and no BS. It is fantastic to see both of you together sharing your experience and knowledge. Thank you!
I LOVE that guy. I have also purchased a number of his products. Very well done.
It's great to hear when an audio engineer or producer has been a performer before. I think it helps them understand musicians better on what they are going for!
I think the music industry as a collective would be wise to listen more to their participants and this conversation would make a great example for that.
This was a surprise. Big fan of Rick Beato and Christian Henson... so to discover they not only knew each other but interview each other ia a genuine delight. Thinking about starting my own vlog now.
Rick Beato is a very humble, generous and respectful person I've ever seen in my life. I learn from him a lot in his channel.
You guys are such inspirational chaps.
What a wonderful conversation! Thanks Christian.
Thank you for sharing, Christen and Rick you guys are outstanding.
I love both of these dudes! I’ve learned so much from each of them. Thanks for your time, experience, and inspiration!
I like seeing the Scottish countryside in your videos. I visited Edinburgh years ago and have fond memories of my visit. If I knew half of what Rick Beato knows, I would be awesome.
This wasn't long enough! Thank you both.
Need another hour!
I could have listened to that talk for two hours, easily, mega interesting and intelligent conversation. Nice work, more please!
Brilliant ! thx christian & rick !! maybe next time a longer version..i feel so much wisdom can further be shared. Love
The two best channels for composers and music producers on youtube, Rick Beato and Mr C. Henson. Well done chaps.
On the subject of music being used on TH-cam channels... I'm a commercial video editor and we use production or library music on everything. Absolutely everything. I realize that isn't an option for the average TH-cam content creator. A single use license from, say, Universal Production Music, would be out of budget for most content creators. I get that. But I think it does open up opportunities for those who compose library music. That's the journey I'm on now. I've used library music every day for years, so I'm very aware of what works and what doesn't. As a musician I'm now spending my free time learning to compose music with the specific goal of producing library music. Christian, I've watched your videos where you mention library music countless times by now, and they serve as a reminder of the journey I'm on. I'm taking your advice of being laser focused on that kind of music.
Rick BEATO!!! AWESOMENESS!!! NOW I KNOW I AM ON THE RIGHT TRACK!!! YES !!! YOU TWO ARE NITRO and HIGH OCTANE GASOLINE!!!
Just discovered your Channal and I'm a huge Fan of Rick Beato - I enjoy so much to get behind all of this and what makes Music great ;-) go on ... greetz from germany ;-)
Two very interesting thinkers and innovators discussing, and improving upon, their art. Beautiful.
2 of my favorite guys meeting together. Thank you 🙏
Great to see guys who inspire me the most here on youtube in one video! Been following Rick for a couple of years, probably the most valuable music theory content, period. Also really enjoy modular mondays and your sampling videos. It's hard to overestimate your role in my development as a musician. Thank you!
Great interview w/ the pioneer in the You tube world...and Mr.Hanson has a new follower...thank you both for your knowledge and always teaching us. Cheers and blessings to you both and a HUGE thank you to you both for what you do..
I absolutely love Mr. Beato and his knowledge.
Thanks for sharing your upright thoughts. That gives energy for the future! (and what a duo! 🌟🎶🌟
Great to see my two favourite channels collaborating for the good of all.
This is something like a summit - two big influencers getting together. I hope you two do this every few years. Atlanta is a lovely town, Christian. In the future, go there, check it out and check in with Rick. Thanks .
Collaborations don't excite me, but this made me lose my s***. Thank you Rick, and Christian, this is a treat.
Great to see these two together..lots of talent and great insight. ..I'd love to see some sort of collaboration exploring the pop side of film music and the classical /traditional elements in pop. Thanks Christian and Rick!
I can't believe I almost missed this. Two of my favourite TH-cam personalities in a single video!
Music College Degree of the future:
Music 101 - Making T-shirts
Music 102 - Making Clever Mugs
Music 201 - Video Making
Music 301 - Getting a real job
Music 302 - Scales & other pointless stuff
Yet there are ten's of thousands of successful rich musicians all over the world...i guess its just about being really good, if your not, start designing mugs.
Awesome interview! Thank you Christian and Rick!
This is why I love TH-cam. I haven't watched it yet and you've already made me write the comment, which I rarely do... I'm so excited!
Love the style of your videos. Looks beautiful there. Found you through Mr. Beato.
Love both of you. What a wonderful video 😍
LPF for us young folk :) I feel like I'm being urged to move on. Fantastic as always Christian, two amazing people. Historic really.
I hope Ricks followers find their way to your amazing channel. Thanks to Rick, Im a die hard follower of your channel. Not only your channel is rich in information, your execution is very entertaining.
Great interview. I love Rick Beato's honesty.
This is great!!!!! Rick Beato is a music WIZARD
Two intelligent people having an interesting discussion, brilliant..
Great!!!!!! Rick's fantastic.
Wow, two of my musical production heroes in one video! Great conversation Christian and Rick, I appreciate it!
Thank you for the interesting interview. Just a slight pedantic remark from a computer science student - 17:10 - we're still far, far away from being able to write code automatically. It's a theoretical computer science nightmare of a problem that has seen very little advancement over the past few decades.
You knowledge is beyond unreal currently working my way through your film currently have nearly a full note pad of notes from your videos it’s has shot my knowledge and composition skills beyond what I thought possible I’m am from Glasgow and would love to one day have the possibility to shadow you to learn even more keep up the incredible work!!!
Oh man. Probably my favorite string library. I love this channel.
Wow, I never clicked that fast in my life
Bringing two of my favourite You Tubers together. An unexpected pairing but, thanks so much, Rick and Christian!
I saw Rick's Apple rant. That was an absolute fkn belter. He really went to town on them and it was absolutely priceless as well as hilarious. Apple's dirty laundry was well and truely aired. lol
My two fav! Brilliant!
Great video, so much to discover and do in the future of music.
Christian, besides the fact that you are a brilliant composer, I am pretty sure that you would be a great orchestra conductor too. Even an auditif handicapped person can get an idea of what you are saying by the way you use expression! Thanks for sharing!
Great combo... two of my favourite TH-cam musos!
Great interview - big fan of you both!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video! The conversation on music, TH-cam, and the music industry is a valuable one. I certainly hope for positive change in the way things are done. Time will tell, I suppose.
What a great video! Two TH-cam heroes. So happy to see this in my inbox!
Great video Christian !!! Great information !!!
I'm a fan of both of you. Thanks for all the hindsight!
The music industry still doesn't have a clue of the future. Trying to hold on to what they only see in front of their faces not what's coming down the pipeline. I would agree that they are seriously jeopardizing the legacy that many wonderful artists/music is. In the near future our younger generation won't really know about The Beatles, The Stones and tons of other big and small gems in our classic & modern music history. ... And all because they would rather make a dollar today as opposed to making more dollars in the long run and securing the legacy of our music culture for generations to come. Very, very short sighted of them.
Great video from two of my favourite channels, thanks guys!
I have a strong feeling as soon as well developed automated algorithmic composition becomes commonplace, there will be a race against the industry for most video content. If music can't figure out a good way to license the creative works of humans reasonably, humans will be replaced in the equation. Unfortunate, but it seems to be the direction things are heading.
The video on Rick's channel brought me here. Love your approach, humor, and content. New subscriber!
Great conversation, thanks for posting.
Really enjoyed your tutorial on the Spitfire Labs Drums kit and drum programming. And because of watching you and Rick, I'm working on creating some merch based on my album covers/video art.
Great video!! I've learned so much from you and Rick. I follow you both.
Great interview.
thank you for this very inspiring interview. super excited to follow you on your EP Album creation and release journey. Thanks for sharing this. :o)
Found this by chance.....well done...and Great Topic!!
Thanks, gents:-)
Christian... I very much enjoyed this video. Now how about doing one with Guy Michelmore? I LEARNED ALL ABOUT Spitfire Audio by watching his channel and will soon be purchasing Albion One, whether I do anything of note with it or not! Seeing you and Rick together is very enjoyable! Thanks again!
I watched Rick's "the blockers are back" and it's shocking how our industry insists on shooting themselves in the foot! TH-cam/Google are still infants IMHO and have a lot to learn. It is an amazing service and I hope they stop long enough to set things straight before they get strangled by regulations. Funny, my audiophile friends got all hot over the video Rick mentioned and I did my best to tell them what a great educator he is and to "get over it and learn". Not much chance of that ha ha.
Anywho, keep up the great work both of you and I'll keep liking your vids.
I wish you guys 'd played some music together,imagine a collab between these two wonderful artists
YES!!!
Isn't there an international law that these two are not allowed to be in the same place at the same time?
Great interview guys.
If the music labels and youtube could agree on that labels are only entitled to the percentage of the video where the music is being played, I think that would be something everyone could stand behind.
Its like when they did those sit com crossovers between happy days and mork and mind.
2 incredible guys!
I think the music industry has changed and evolved with the technology and this is a major growing pain of that change. maybe in 10 years everyone will look back and just shake their heads at all this copyright stuff. It is almost like bad publicity is better than no publicity. As far as people actively searching out youtube videos for copyrights, do you think it's the actual artists, producers? or someone else in the business chain that is pushing for that. To me, like you said, if someone takes one of my tracks and has it in their youtube video and it gets millions of views, it would be up to me to capitalize on that. I would not argue with a small piece of their pie if they so chose to throw it at me but I am not going to go beg for it.
What a joy!
AWESOME pair of dudes!! Mighty nice :-)
another fantastic video, the music industry does seem to be in another state of flux
New fan here!
"I interviewed him and he interviewed me"
The slow way of meeting people :D
Fantastic!!!
I love both you guys ! world collide
yes my favorite two channels! awesome!
3 years later, what I think everyone needs is copyright arbitration, instead of outright copyright enforcement. That is, when someone makes a video (or any art) that contains music, some way to decide how to split revenue between the video or art creator and the musician. And, of course, only split actual revenue.
I know this is difficult, because it is a case-by-case decision. But here is the plan: A) acknowledge that everyone involved contributes, sometimes more and sometimes less, B) set up some guidelines and let algorithms figure out how to likely split revenues, C) when contributors disagree with this, let them go into arbitration, where things are settled with a discussion, which can be partially formalized (i.e. fill out an online form that already gives lots of options to select from, and also a free text field).
Also, maybe it should be possible for creators to get into a tier of recognized artists, and give them the possibility to suggest a certain split of revenues. They can then submit this request together with their video (or art), and either get an automated decision, or the other artists whose works are cited / included can be asked for an (optional) manual review.
I believe this is much better than the current form of going for copyright strikes, and the need to overcome huge barriers to fight back. And the basic idea is that creators are on both sides (or all sides) of this process, and that it makes more sense to find a good split of revenues. Actual copyright strikes are then only a special case of this, where the copier gets a very small cut of the split (still acknowledging the dissemination work that they do).
And of course consent arbitration is another element of this: if an artist wants control about how their art is used, it should be possible for them to withdraw consent or to require explicit consent, or to give consent by default only in certain categories, and the video / art creator should get a chance to react to this. The platform can still automatically block a video (or refuse to publish it in the first place), for example, if compliance cannot be reached within a reasonable time.
I think and hope that this is a better approach than going for tough measures upfront, and making the whole process difficult. I believe it should be easier and not so anxiety-fraught to create things, and to cite or include the work of others, while compensation is being taken care of.
Of course, this makes the platform a publisher. And of course, publishers / platforms will still have cases where things are difficult. This doesn’t solve every problem or dispute, it is just supposed to make things generally more bearable, and to open up possibilities.
Hope this makes a little sense (to someone reading this youtube comment 3 years after the video release 🤣😅).
Cheers!
This is like 'crossing the streams'...
Absolutely inspiring video! Thanks Rick and Christian :) spitfire audio mug and t-shirt?
Some creators are avoiding using music, but a lot of the big creators (Casey Neistat, iJustine, Jenna Marbles, etc.) are still using music, they're just licensing it from the various stock music companies, like Epidemic
I took that test and some of them you can tell and some you can't. The more "pop-like" songs are easily distinguishable, but the real instrument songs are almost impossible to tell. You cant tell high quality guitar distortion from low quality... both are distorted.
Advice to aspiring TH-camrs? "Just keep creating" - got it 😏
Bravo to good convo and not being another bunch of business as usual entrenched jerks. #EMBRACETHEFUTURE
Great conversation
You and Rick should go and meet with Susan and find out what the score is from their perspective. You will at the very least, find out what can be done.
I'm having visions of Frank Zappa vs Tipper Gore, but you two guys together might be able to change her trajectory.
Rick is incredible
Great stuff!
good interview
This is like the Alien vs Predator of youtube composer videos
This is so great.
Dear Christian, are you familiar with the channel "Um Café Lá Em Casa"? Nelson Faria, the host for this show, is one of the most important musicians in Brazil with 8 books on Brazilian music, improvisation, etc... Check him out! Can be a very nice exchange between you two!