NOTICE TO VIEWERS!! I am editing the pinned comment to drop this message to highlight a mistake in this video. I have blurred the images that I used for the First Officer and Second Officer. I had mistakenly used the incorrect images. Originally I had an image of the Second Officer in place of the First Officer and an image of the Flight's Purser in the position of the Second Officer. This was an error made when I isolated these images from the newspaper clipping they came from. This was entirely my fault and I apologize for this stupid mistake. I could not keep them in the video knowing this now so have taken the decision to blur them from the video. So that is why those parts are the way they are now. Thanks. Chloe. A thank you to my good friend Roslayn for supplying some music in this video. She got a couple links: www.youtube.com/@RosalynAspinall www.youtube.com/@@ridesandrealms Further thanks go out to Friend of the show Admiral Cloudberg for lending her voice for a few lines: admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ See her podcast here: www.youtube.com/@ControlledPodIntoTerrain If you enjoy my work and want to support the channel further, you can always join my Patreon. All Patrons get Early Access to all new videos before they go out publicly: www.patreon.com/DisasterBreakdown Twitter: twitter.com/Chloe_HowieC BlueSky: bsky.app/profile/chloehowie.bsky.social
Hey Chloe, just wanted to let you know that the effort you put into your content is CLEAR and we can all see it!! I wish you nothing but love and health during your transition and as you undergo gender-affirming care.
I can't help feeling that the outcome would have been much better if the pilot in command hadn't chosen to go around and instead, committed to the landing. Obviously I have the benefit of hindsight and didn't come to this conclusion within the mere seconds the pilot had available to make such a choice. At the end of the day, this proved that the pilots mistrust of possible mid air deployment of the spoilers was well founded.
@@KenFullman The report does say that, given his training and his actions just before touchdown, it would've been impossible to expect him to change course and commit to a hard landing.
Brilliant video once again Chloe and absolutely heartbreaking to hear him say Sorry it made me cry. I really enjoyed how this episode was written and produced. ❤❤
The fact that the FO spent the last few minutes of his life blaming himself for what was truly just an honest and understandable mistake, makes it all the more tragic. He should never have been put in a position where that error was so easy to make.
It's so terrible. He made a mistake, but it's also a mistake that pilots had been led to believe couldn't result in what happened. Most times, muscle memory and routine serve us well, and this one time, it was a tragedy.
@@shelleymacaskill8726 The worst thing about the whole disaster is that this was clearly a case of what is termed "Normalizing deviation" that is in itself a sure recipe for disaster, but was in this particular case enhanced by McDonald Douglas giving false information that caused issues known to pilots flying the aircraft type and almost certainly forcing them into the issue of normalizing deviation. This disaster was bound to happen from the day the spoiler system for the DC-8 was designed which just makes the tormenting feelings of the FO even sadder and more uncalled for. He never stood a chance of anticipating or understanding the real issues in the disaster or that he, despite being the one to put the lever in the wrong position, wasn't to blame in any way. It was as stated an honest mistake that should never have caused anything to happen other than perhaps a giggle or 2 from the flight crew. And the maddest thing is that 109 people died so needlessly because pilots and instructors and even airlines were led down a blind path of lies and deceipt which led to the disaster. This is one case where there is no such thing as a "God moves in mysterious ways" to soothen any hurt or grief of those who lost their lives or loved ones.
@@captainbossman1016 if you know you sound like a dick before saying something then maybe dont say it. Ive seen this joke multiple times now in the comments and it isnt funny.
@@captainbossman1016 Meh, fair. But it really actually brings me down, somehow makes me emotional. That mistakes are made by so many, and their smallest mistakes yes could cause something like this. But seriously, sometimes they aren't intentional. idk man. Where do you draw that line when you can forgive them versus not? But at the end, does it matter? It is what it is. and we have people who purposefully do this and have no guilt for this
Yeah the first time he said it and the second time. I imagine the second time the Captain was thinking. "Well Don I appreciate that your sorry, but it's not really helping the situation."
It wasn’t even his fault, it never should have been to able to happen in the fking first place, Douglass is fully responsible, the FO’s preference was due to him feeling it was safer and more comfortable, sad he went down thinking it was on him because Douglass knew about the issue in the first place
This is why I'm a firm believer in "Touch the Ground, Stay On the Ground." If you smack the ground that hard, and don't know the extent of the damage to flight controls, engines, and surfaces... shove it in and bring it to a stop... I'd rather ride through a possible runway excursion and evacuation, than fall out of the sky because we went around.
That's what I was thinking. As I see it, once the ground spoilers had been deployed, the pilot immediately decided to accelerate to counteract the spoilers and try to avoid hitting the ground. As the plane hit the ground he was still accelerating and then he continued to do so even after the plane had touched the ground. In hindsight, if he had reduced engine power as soon as the plane touched the runway, the result would have been a very hard landing with much damage, and there would have been fuel leaks and probably a fire, but at least they'd be on the ground and people would have had a chance to get off the plane.
I just commented the same thing. The plane was already committed to the landing, plus a loud boom o in contact. Just bring it to a screeching fault on the runway.
@anthonyfernandez1768: The pilot pulled up the nose and increased engine thrust to counteract to loss of lift from the deployment of spoilers, and did so before ground contact. The rate of descent went from 1500 ft/min to 1000, and softened the impact. This was a good move, as no action likely would've destroyed the plane upon impact, since the impact at the lower rate of descent already exceeded the design limits of the plane and damaged the starboard wing. However, if he then had landed the plane after the bounce, the plane could land with its right wing still attached, and everyone could evacuate from the port side, if a fire erupts on the starboard wing tip. But the plane got airborne again, and the flight crew didn't know of the wing damage, loss of engine #4, and ensuing fire. Thus, they took a standard attempt of a TOGA, which was long enough for the fire to progress to explosions that tore off the wing.
Thank you for this doc, great work as usual. I lost 3 friends on that flight, Mario, Joanne, Jeannine Chapdelaine. French Canadian friends of our family, they were loved and are not forgotten.
@@StressBall5Any air disaster will create better safety to make sure the disaster never happens again* There’s some exceptions, but since at least the 90s a disaster changes safety laws. Multiple disasters in a short period (MAX 8 for instance) results in grounding every plane. Compare that to ANY other mode the NTSB polices. Train derailments still happen. Trains still regularly hit cars many times a year due to some stops only having a stop sign and not a crossing bar. Car accidents happen regularly. Hell, the Ford Pinto was put into production and when they found out a gentle rear end collision could make the car EXPLODE due to the location of the gas tank? They literally said “it’ll cost more to recall them all than to get sued for every death. So no recall.” We saw this with Toyota’s mats, and the airbags too: NTSB doesn’t order a recall for even over a hundred of these issues. Only planes will get those changes, since it’s such huge numbers of deaths and also because so many innocent lives can be lost on the ground.
@@Faded-Tales-PreviouslyHarley The NTSB doesn't implement those changes. They investigate and give advisories, but it's up to the FAA (or other relevant authority) to actually implement and enforce the changes.
In remembrance: Captain Peter Cameron Hamilton, 50 First Officer Donald Rowland, 40 Flight Engineer Harry Gordon Hill, 28 Purser Robert J. Cédilot, 29 Flight Attendant Marie T. Ginette Bertrand, 23 Flight Attendant Yolande M.C. Daoust, 25 Flight Attendant Suzanne M. Dion, 23 Flight Attendant Denise M. Goulet, 22 Flight Attendant Hildegund Wieczorek, 24 Céline Fradette Adam Pierre J. Adam Gaétan Beaudin, 27 Roland Bélanger, 38 Hélène Bélanger, 39 Jacques Bélanger, 15 Jean Bélanger, 12 Rosanne Bélanger, 10 Helen Benson, 12 Leonard Benson, 45 Mary Benson, 39 Richard Benson, 9 Lynn Ann Boosamra, 11 Guy Boulanger Dollie Bradshaw Jeannine Chapdelaine, 30 Joanne Chapdelaine, 11 Mario Chapdelaine, 8 Jean Maurice Charest Devona Olivia Clarke, 56 Francine Côté Brigitte Rodrigue DesMarais, 34 Gabriel DesMarais Alice Dicaire, 49 Gilles Dicaire, 46 Linda Dicaire, 16 Luc Dicaire, 11 Marc Dicaire, 14 Jacqueline Doré, 47 Lewella Frances Earle, 21 Linda Margaret Earle, 21 Francesco Filippone, 37 Linda Filippone, 15 Marie Filippone, 37 King Bun Gee, 35 Madeleine Maria Flores Honorine Grenier, 54 Diana Cicely Growse, 41 Jane Isobel Growse, 2 Roger Henry Growse, 4 Karen Elaine Hamilton, 19 Ronald Alvin Herrmann, 32 Claude Kieran Holiday, 57 Wesley Graham Houston, 52 Irene Marguerite Houston, 51 Vagn Aage Jakobsen, 24 Gilles Labonté, 43 Marie-Rose Leclaire, 57 Oscar Leclaire, 67 Henri W. Leduc Claudette Lepage, 29 Gerald Bernard Mailhiot Claire Gagnon-Mailhiot Karolina Fiedler Maitz, 57 Gustav Adolf Maitz, 56 Winnifred Grace McKettrick, 46 John Walter McTague, 63 Carla Medizza Dolly Mohammed, 38 Antonio Costanzo Molino, 43 Michel Molino, 14 Frederick Thompson Moore, 48 Carnis Ann Partridge, 30 Cyril Wayne Partridge, 29 Andreé Partridge, 67 Kenneth William Phillips, 27 Rita Gagné-Poirier, 56 Gilles Raymond, 16 Marcel Raymond, 45 Georges Étienne Robert, 49 Aline Legault Robert, 45 Lionel Émile Robidoux, 37 Marci Robin Silverberg, 12 Merle Silverberg, 34 Steven Phllip Silverberg, 9 Istvan Simon, 35 Mark Woodrow Simon, 46 Dwight Lee Smith, 24 Glenn Thomas Steppings, 17 Blanche Lucienne St-Laurent, 52 Celia Sultan Jerald Mark Sultan, 4 months Robert Lowell Sultan, 2 Borys A. Szpakowicz, 39 Serge-Alexandré Szpakowicz, 10 Carmen M.M. Tielens, 41 Frederick A.J. Tielens, 8 Athanasia Tournovits, 42 George Soula Tournovits, 14 Carla Weinberg, 11 Rita Naomi Weinberg, 39 Wendy Weinberg, 8 Jennifer Cavell Whittingham, 54 John Reginald Whittingham, 12 Reginald Whittingham, 53 Mary Baker Whybro, 62 Edgar Bradley Witmer, 48 Mansing Wong, 63 Ngar-Quon Wong, 58 Suzie Wong, 11 Dallas James Woodard, 60
I was 12 when this happened. I remember being at home when my father, and Air Canada Pilot and accident investigator, got a phone call and had to leave right away. He was an investigator on this accident. Over the summer the investigation team met at our house (in Etobicoke) many time to discuss what had to be done, and how to approach the investigation. My father explained to me all the things that happened, and why they did happen. I believe this video is pretty accurate based on my recollection, with a few exceptions. The #4 engine broke off when they hit the ground, and damaged the outer wing. The #3 engine pilon broke across the front as it was held to the wing with a semicircle of bolts at the front, and a large one at the back. The front bolts were ripped out, the rear held. There was sufficient fuel in the fuel system to keep the engine running, and the torque kept that engine and pilon pressed up against the wing and in place. As the plane flew on, the damaged fuel system could not supply fuel to the engine, and the #3 engine stopped and fell away. This tore the inner wing apart as it twisted free. This caused the additional explosion, and accounted for total the damage to the wing. #3 engine was found in a field starved of fuel. When the wing came off, the plane rolled over 2 and 1/2 times and went in nose first, but essentially upside down. At one time, I was able to go through all the photos of the crash site. There was no gore, and there was almost nothing distinguishable. I only saw that photo album once as I assume my dad took it away.
Wow, you seem to really LIKE the attention you get from writing about this event. That’s too bad. You’re rubbernecking and showing off what you "know." But… "… a field starved of fuel…" and other strange details that you list make little to no sense. And pylon is spelled with a "y," not an "i." At age 12, there’s just NO WAY you could remember so many items. IF your dad was an investigator, his notes would be stored somewhere away from and NOT AT your home. Your memory also seems a somewhat ad-libbed on many bits; it’s just not worth the time and energy to lay into each one. So, g'nite laddie. 🙄
My family and I witnessed the entire sequence of events from the terminal observation deck that morning. From the approach, to the loss of the engine, to the plane falling out of the sky - and every horrifying step in between. The words you chose in your intro were apropos to put it mildly.
You know, its not healthy to go thru this world not believing anyone, but maybe its who you hang out with, family, work or where you put yourself online. You should be savi g your energy vommenting and put it to yourself and ask "why am I so insecure about what others say"-- Im guessing your parents werent the best and you got trust issues from that hmm? @beenhog6922
@@beenhog6922 Uh, you do know how many people would of witnessed it right? Why is it so hard to believe that one would find their way to a video about it?
As someone who’s Canadian, this disaster really stuck out for me. Being one of the only completely fatal accidents in Air Canada’s history (The other being Trans-Canada Lines 831), it’s so surprising there’s barely any videos about it online. Thanks for covering this accident.
There's was another plane crash in 1949, but it was caused by a bomb. It crashed in Québec near where I used to live. There's a plaque commemorative of the crash.
@@Lady_Trouble Air Canada 797 is the one you're referring to however there were 23 survivors in that crash unlike 621 which is the only Air Canada crash to have no survivors. 797 tho did help make flying a bit safer as many fire regulations in aviation are attributed to this incident
Technically, Trans-Canada Air Lines 831 was also a completely fatal accident in Air Canada's history. Air Canada was the French name for the airline since 1954, and English ads from 1963 did show both English and French names. 1965 was when the airline renamed itself to Air Canada in English.
This was up there amongst the most heart breaking of stories. The fact that the F/O instantly took the blame as he knew what would happen next just makes it worse. I also have to commend you on the video. They keep getting better. The delivery and composition is totally professional. On a par with anything on TV and other channels, of which there are many excellent ones. However, what I feel sets you apart is the deep humanity and compassion with which you approach and treat them. It is almost as if you know everyone on board and the loss affects you as well, and this runs through all your videos. This one is no exception. The visit to the crash site just highlights that as well. Outstanding work
Anyone else think it's crazy that ATC didn't mention the fire, and that the closed runway was for THEIR DEBRIS and engine?? I mean nothing could have been done anyway we know now but wow.
As it was, they excavated the field to remove remaining shards of aluminum, plastic...and bones that work up through the soil periodically. There was such destruction, everything was pulverized. This soul was to have been interred beneath the memorial.
I had a "worst Canadian disasters" book when I was a kid. The three stories that stuck with me from it were the Halifax WWI explosion, the collapse of the Quebec bridges, and this story. The way it was recounted in the book was essentially: the first officer pulled back rather than pushed forward on the lever deploying the spoilers immediately rather than on touchdown, the plane fell out of the sky like a rock, bounced once, pulled up, and crashed into a nearby hillside, and the first officer's refusal to arm the spoilers as directed by procedure was arrogant and directly responsible for everyone's death, the end. No accounting for pilots' reticence to follow procedure, no explanation of the damage done to the pylons, engines, and wings from the hard landing, no discussion about the tower's failure to communicate vital information to the pilots, and one inexplicable hill fabrication. This video did a much better job.
That's what happens when a bunch of authors with a surface level knowledge of those industries write a book and demonstrate their ignorance. They probably included tons of misinformation about the Quebec Bridge and Halifax Explosion. I just happen to write this from modern day Halifax!
@@thecaynuck A friend of mine used to live in Dartmouth and she would tell me about how everything was leveled on that side of town and all the buildings were much newer than 1917. The Halifax Explosion was so horrific and very preventable.
God. That last "Pete, sorry" is so, so, so heartbreaking. That poor man. That poor poor man. He is dying with the guilt that he has caused all these other deaths by a silly mistake. Oh, my heart. And the arrangement of the squares in the memorial is so poignant. Edit: Also, dang Chloe, this video was really really fricking good, wow
Well at that point they definitely didn't know the flight was doomed. He said sorry because he was for making the mistake in the first place and knew that captain was going to chew that ass after the flight... I'm a captain here in the USA and I'd definitely want to talk about any flight control being put into an undesired state.... I'm am probably one of the most laid back captains at my company out of thousands but I'd be kinda pissed about that and would have put that thing back on the ground asap. Fire in flight is the only thing that makes me nervous and if I had one going on in that situation I would fly straight out for 5 or so miles and quickly make a 180 a put it down.... checklist be dammed. The fire trucks can put out a fire better then I can in flight. Plus any checklist or QRH procedure can be done pretty Damm quick by a competent crew. Everyone flies differently and minus the FO the rest of the crew did the best they could with an impossible situation.
I’ve watched hundreds of air disaster docs on TH-cam. This may be the best I’ve ever seen. The attention to detail, genuine interest and empathy, footage from a personal visit to the memorial….wow. Outstanding job.
Between you and Mentour Aviation we have some of the best quality air crash documentaries ever made. Never thought Air Crash Investigation would be outdone by TH-cam but you are officially better. You deserve millions of subs.
100% agree. Do you think we could get Chloe and Petter to do a collab? Or do you think if you saw those two on a plane together it would just empty the flight, as you’d 100% think something bad was gonna happen? ;)
@@davidbrooks9576 yeah I don't like that and the minute or so introductory narration gives away a lot of the mystery and part of the fun was trying to figure out what was causing the accident. So I learned to just to skip to the credits to avoid spoilers about certain accidents.
I wonder if the crew would have reacted any differently had Toronto Tower told them they were missing an engine and were on fire. The crew went around and proceeded as if their aircraft was still intact. I wonder if the knowledge that they had significant damage would have primed them to respond to an emergency rather than a normal go around.
I too am surprised that ATC neglected to inform the pilots of such serious damage to their aircraft, instead handing them over to another operator who would probably be unaware that the pilots hadn't been told. They surely must know that the pilots can't see behind them so may be oblivious to major damage.
"Pete, sorry." That's a phrase that pops into my head on occasion. It's such a meaningful two short words, said by a man who knew he'd made a mistake, and who obviously felt the weight of it in the moment, and deep regret for the error. Very sad.
Brilliant narration and great video making. Thanks for that and RIP the victims. I watched a lot of air disasters but never heard of this one that happened at my city. I even came from a Brampton visit last week and had no idea about that memorial exists
“not like those other planes” made me chuckle. Not easy to add little jokes like that without messing up the tone in such a serious, heartbreaking topic, but you managed it! Love your content, Chloe, and I’ll add my own compliments to your production value and overall quality. You are an inspiration 💜
I really, really love how you go an extra mile and actually visit the locations of the disasters you cover, plus your editing is getting better with each episode.
This was horrible, the poor guy feeling so much guilt in his final moments, I couldn’t even look at the doll. Well presented respectful and insightful thank you.
I have watched hundreds of air disaster videos for many years. This one stands out as one of the best of them all! The accident was explained in an understandable way even for the laymen. The story itself is full of twist and turns. It is a fascinating story! It was amazing such a slip of the hand could result in such unbelievable catastrophe! The story is gripping. The care put into making this video makes it one of the best air disaster videos I have ever viewed. My hat off to the maker of this video! Thank You!
@@hg8506 some credit also has to go to the voice actor who we actually hear in the videos, he does an excellent job, far better than the low effort channels that just use one of those annoying AI voices
I often put the whole channel on random play while I'm pottering around the house. I can place each video in rough chronological order based on how much she learnt and improved over the years. And I cannot thank her enough 💜
right? the past few videos you've been able to see the improvement but I feel like this one in specific is so far ahead of just the previous video its incredible
Air Canada DID in fact audit the Douglas manual: and killed 109 people in carrying out the audit. Like the Eschede rail disaster: DB's wheelsets, having been flagged for errors by Hanover tramways at 35 kph were finally tested at full speed, upon which they disintegrated and killed 101 people.
Had the Captain simply followed the checklist instead of trying to "think" this would have never happened. I have 4000 hour L1011 and I flew with alot of morons who thought they knew better than the engineers and test pilots who developed checklists and procedures .
Chloe I want to give you a compliment: One of the things that I think you do better than ALL of the others is that you do an OUSTANDING job of "translating" aircraft techno-eze into the best Plain English descriptions... I know that most av-geeks probably know what a back course approach is; well I didn't and like the other terms, you do a GREAT job of making it understandable. Thank you!
I think it was a very nice idea to start a memorial garden in memory of all the passengers. Very sad indeed. Thank you very much for your posting of this video... Job well done. You presented this video excellent... ❤😢
@@DisasterBreakdownit was insane, considering, the suburb I live in Montreal is smack right next to the airport and my bus line I take stops there. Heck my home is or was as idk if that runway closed under one of the runway approaches paths.
No aircraft accident documentaries terrify me more than the ones centered around accidents that happen on approach. I can't imagine the feeling of relief at finally landing turning to instant dread and fear. So I can't even imagine the grief, pain, and regret that First Officer Rowland felt in those last few moments. They were so close, and an honest brain fart is what did them in. Great video as always, but God, what a horrifying accident.
It wasn't even really his fault. M-D didn't have a good reason for building the controls like they did. That lever should have been made such that he couldn't even deploy the spoilers in flight.
I could see myself making that kind of mistake. Luckily, my job involves policy, so there’s never such immediate, irreversible, and catastrophic consequences.
I've always thought that if I had to die in an air crash, I'd want it to be on takeoff rather than landing. The last way I want to spend the last hours of my life is stuck in economy 🤷 But after watching these for long enough, I never relax until we have come to a complete stop lol
Hi. I’ve been an airplane enthusiast for a long time and also one that’s studied physics in university, I’ve always been fascinated with these stories. Thank you for presenting them in such a detailed manner both from aerodynamic, mechanical and human perspective. This one in particular hits home as I grew up only a 30 drive away from Brampton. Keep up the wonderful work!
I'm usually very harsh with social media channels but You went to the site and I think that's very impressive and respectful. Your detail and approach to this video was very good. Much respectful and subscribed
I'm loving the addition of visiting the crash sites. While obviously there are some that are impossible/difficult to get to, it's really fascinating to see what happens to a space after such a traumatic event. No one else does it like you!
This is one of the very best implementations of a documentary. From the excellent narration & the fact that you put your commercial at the end created a win win for the both of us. I will subscribe. Thanks
For those wondering, the "If you know you know" at 15:42 , That is BOAC Flight 911, a Boeing 707 registered G-APFE. The recording is looking over another crashed Canadian DC-8 at Haneda Airport, And watched as the 707 taxied and took off before crashing about 10-15 minutes later. That clip watching is is the last footage of that aircraft, and the aircraft crashed under 24 hours after the DC-8 did, the cause was severe turbulence and an inflight break up.
This crash is becoming something of aviation.legend with so many touched by the magnitude of this tragedy. And now a connection to a BOAC departing flight that crashed also. My goodness this only one that I can bring to mind is that L1011 that went down in the everglades a year or 2 later.
@@RobloxiaIntlAerospaceGroup yes where the first officer was in the nose gear baytrying desperately to lock the mechanism. The passenger jet clipped the wing in the terrain when they strayed to low.
Oh Chloe. Yet again you've broken my heart. So much thought and empathy from you, the crash site memorial was wonderful. Thanks again for an amazing video. You rock chick 🐥
This video actually made me cry, these are always heartbreaking but to hear the FO say “sorry Pete” I can’t imagine the pain and devastation he must of felt it’s almost unimaginable. I really do enjoy how Chloe writes and produces these accidents, there’s always so much feeling conveyed whilst explaining the accident sequence in what I call plain language. There always excellent work and by far one of my favourite channels. The remembrance garden was gorgeous and very poignant ❤❤❤❤
@@mnirwin5112 I suppose ultimately it wouldn't have mattered if the crew did or didn't know about the fire... It seems if I'm understanding it correctly the fuel leak was unstoppable and unfortunately from the point the plane lifted back off from the runway its fate was sealed as there would've been no way for them to get back to the runway in the less than 3 minutes that they had.
thank you for showing photos of the passengers and crew, along with information about their lives. Part of the reason I think I've been watching so many similar disaster docs is because of the empathy creators like you show towards the victims.
Recently retired from a 40 plus year aviation career. I thought this was an exceptionally well made documentary. You did a great job explaining the idiosyncrasies of pilot logic and cockpit crew dynamics, as well as clear uncomplicated explanations of relevant systems and procedures. When pilots have a new technology that still is in its infancy, has a few mysterious unknowns, an unproven track record, and a history of POSSIBLY not behaving the way the manual says it will, they have a healthy skepticism about relying on it and sometimes come up with work arounds, often reverting back to more basic methods that they have used in the past. That normally is a completely conservative way to ensure safety, however the inherent design flaw in that DC-8 spoiler lever made it backfire in this case. It's inconceivable that the spoiler lever "Retract" position would require moving the lever in one direction to the "Arm" position, but movement in the opposite direction to the "Extend" position. That's a setup for failure. An example of how a pilot might take SOP's and bend them to make them work in the real world: when the 737 Max starting making smoking holes in the ground, before it was grounded and the MCAS design flaws corrected, my workaround was to engage the autopilot before final flap retraction on departure and to extend them to some amount on approach before disconnecting the autopilot. Somewhat unusual and not in the book or the way it was trained, but this would prevent the MCAS from firing off because that system only functioned with the autopilot off in a clean configuration. The hardest landing I ever saw in my life was as a Flight Engineer on the 727 - pretty similar to this Air Canada event. The 727 didn't have an auto spoiler system and they were deployed manually by the Captain, either when he touched down on his landings, or when the FO called for them after touchdown if it was his landing. We did a visual to 22L at EWR ,circle to land on 29 which is a hot mess of an approach that involves a left turn away from the landing runway and a short descending right 180 turn to land. He's all over the sky the whole way to the threshold, but the FO finally touches down and calls for "Spoilers". Before I can blurt out, "NO!" because he'd actually done a gentle skip and we were in a gentle climb about 50" in the air, the CA pulls the lever and we came down like 3 tons of bricks. The FO's seat bottomed out on the height adjustment rails, the Captain is yelling "Fly the pieces son!", and we got the full rubber jungle from the masks dropping in the cabin. It was eye watering.
Let’s quit blaming this on an ”inherent” design flaw, this was pilot error all the way. Frankly, I believe the 727 Max crashes were also pilot error. A well trained crew would not have crashed those aircraft.
@@Scribe127 I can see your point. But the DC-8 crash is complicated by the fact that the pilots were trained it was literally impossible to deploy the spoilers in flight. This in turn appears to have been because MD was very vague on the subject. So to me, these three elements, MD, AC pilot training, and pilot error can not so readily be separated from one another. The fact this was ONLY happening on DC-8 aircraft suggests a shortcoming. Many airlines expressed concern about the system. Finally, after an Icelandic DC-8 crashed in 1973 after the spoilers were extended, MD very quietly made modifications to the design. That speaks quite a bit given how fiercely MD defended themselves in the Loftleider suit that followed. As to the MAX, there is also no doubt in my mind that, at least in the Ethiopian crash, there was very defective pilot training. There's a book on that very subject by an ET pilot who saw first hand how the airline failed badly at pilot training. As usual, ET covered it up. But the fact remains that the MAX had a dangerous flaw: it would not have crashed had there been no MCAS, or at the very least such a casual attitude about the pilot training needed.
@@Scribe127 The irony is that the newer pilots were deliberately kept in the dark just so the industry WOULDN'T have to be pay for extra training. Fliers of the older B737 200 would have instinctively switched off the electric Stabilizer Trim. It was instinctual muscle memory.
I definitely adds a special personal touch when you visit the accident places yourself. In practically every other accident video made by other tubers however well made it is, that personal touch is missing, and we only get to see stock images or videos of the site. Of course it's not always possible to make that trip personally, but you have already made it (at least) twice, so props for that!
I’ve seen and read hundreds of these investigations. Why never this one? All I can think is because it’s plainly too sad. Your one of a kind personal review of the memorial just multiplies the effect. Really impactful presentation. Thank you for doing these. And this.
oh chloe. this is such a heartbreaking, devastating, honest mistake that had such a terrible cost. thank you for your respectful and compassionate approach to this disaster.
OMG! Just hearing about this. I lived in Brampton in my early years and I had no idea. I, now, live in the US. I would love to visit this memorial in my future visit to Canada. God bless the victims.
As a Canadian who lives maybe 30 minutes from the accident site and am very much interested in aviation since childhood, i never heard about this air accident, and this got me thinking that i might go visit this park sometime soon because as soon as i saw the intro and the walking paths i said "wait a minute, that looks familiar", lo and behold i was right, great video, keep up the good work!
Kind-of surreal to suddenly find your hometown is being featured in an episode. Brings to mind when SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was released and a movie audienced unexpectedly saw their little midwest town being raided by FBI agents after a serial killer. the theater went quiet the townspeople had no idea that the big budget movie used the entrance WELCOME TO RIVERDALE IOWA sign during a raid on the residence of a psycho sex killer. The rest of scene was filmed in another location but the caravan of fbi agents and SWAT rolling past the WELCOME TO sign was a complete surprise.
Douglas merged with McDonnell, which then "acquired" Boeing, and the culture of profit over safety prevails. I was an IBM architect on the Boeing 787 project when the plan was delivered to ANA, the first delivery, and I was shocked how bad the culture was at Boeing. In their defence, the fullt-time employees always said, "If you think we are bad, you should see the defence side of the company!"
And it's only gotten worse.. I don't understand how people trust their lives to these shoddy machines anymore. I guess like everything else, the aeronautical field has been hit by the competency crisis.
I used to work for these guys and we took immense pride and were very aware peoples lives depended on us doing things correctly. I was actually interviewed by the 60 minutes crew i was tasked with guiding them around our facilities. I was threatened by my VP to not be to honest or show them certain things which we were actively hiding in order to ensure we would not jeopardize the next round of funding. We lied our asses off with ARPRO also involved during a program review. I have many stories and secret’s I’ve never revealed . Over all the actual people that turn wrenches are very much quality conscious management not so much.
Ah the ongoing myth that Boeing was somehow 'pure' before they acquired MD... Check out Boeing's history on the rushed development of the B-29, the B747 and the 737 all _before_ they acquired MD. They have been skirting certification throughout their history and not just since the 90s. Just as one specific example look at the rushed certification of the 737-400 which led to the Kegworth disaster of 1989. The whole aerospace industry has been corrupt and continues to be corrupt with the FAA basically allowing the manufacturers and airlines to write and enforce their own certifications.
Well, if you look at Boeing’s overall safety record in the last 20 years, I think you’re going to be SHOCKED to discover that a machine with over a MILLION parts, many of them in CONSTANT motion and holding back astronomical pressures, controllably burning THOUSANDS of gallons of fuel in ONE flight, is responsible for less deaths in this country every year than those from DOG bites!
What a BEAUTIFUL intro and video. The fact that you visit these memorials and share the victims stories speaks volumes. Thank you for the time you take to carefully investigate and share these disasters. I can truly see the work and dedication, Chloe ! By the way, for what it is worth, the music you include is always so soothing despite the nature of these tragedies.
It’s interesting to now finally put a voice to the name AdmiralCloudberg. I do believe it was her Reddit posts that led me down the aviation disaster rabbit hole to this channel
They really should not have tried to take off again. The response should have been to arrest the sink rate as best as possible, but stay on the ground, and deal with whatever happens. Trying to take off again is risking everything. Air crews have often tried to get away with it by taking further risks. But it is not worth a potential total loss to do so. Overrunning a runway is not the end of the world as compared with a total loss resulting from a possibly fatally damaged aircraft.
I flew DC-8’s series 50, 61, 62, 63, and 70’s series. I had a similar incident in Saudi Arabia while on final approach. I was performing first officer duties. I armed the spoilers but in no way did I touch the spoiler handle after arming. However, on this 50 series jet I caught out of the corner of my eye the spoiler handle starting to move back and forth on its own but only slightly. At 1500 feet AGL without any action on my part the handle moved aft.. The airplane fell out of the sky instantly I grabbed the handle and shoved it forward and down as quickly as is humanly possible. The airplane immediately flew again but it was a very scary experience. The aircraft was a Japan Airlines DC-8 that was bought by the company I was flying for. This story makes a lot of sense to me. Douglas, once they got into the jet business started building defective designs that only after a number of deadly accidents did they improve. Think DC-10 and MD-11 accident records. Both of those airplanes I have extensive captain experience in.
Hi there Chloe! I’M A HUGE FAN of Disaster Breakdown ever since you started the channel! I’m so glad that I’m not alone in this world who also likes to research aviation accidents and incidents! I have in my possession (recently acquired actually) the report of the Board of Inquiry on the loss of Air Canada 621 in perfect condition! I have suggestions for what you can consider covering next: 1. Canadian Pacific 402 2. Itavia 870 3. Thai International 311 & PIA 268 4. LOT 007 5. Pan Am 6 I really hope 🤞🏻 that you consider taking my suggestions for crashes into your consideration! Looking forward for your next episode! Sincerely your biggest fan, Colin
I can't imagine the emotions of the pilots during their final moments, what a horribly unfortunate mistake. Him apologizing immediately, the small amount of hope thinking they will make it, the explosions and subsequent knowledge of their own demise, and another apology. I feel so bad for this guy, it was such an understandable mistake. I also wanted to say I really appreciate the effort you put into making your sources so easy to find.
Another top notch job Chloe you have a great voice and delivery style very easy to listen to even with often such tragic stories I think you should do audiobooks I'd certainly listen to them well done
As crazy as it sounds my sister missed that flight because she woke up late. She was visiting our relatives in Lachine (Montreal) and was heading back to Thunder Bay but didn’t get to the airport in time and got booked on a later flight. Recently I went to the crash site and park in Brampton and wandered around and took some pictures for my sister. Edit: thank you for the thoughtful video and my heart goes out to the poor souls on board.
99% of us can make mistakes in our jobs with no consequences or consequences that don’t hurt anyone. I so feel for this guy. Not drunk, not stupid, just made an error.
Chloe…you are a storyteller extraordinaire‼️ That was a geniusly executed and produced video. Thank you‼️ Not a lot of content creators develop the human interest, personal side of these stories. Just brilliant‼️
Your rehumanizing of these tragedies, without glazing over the difficult and technical details, shows great care and talent-- so very much appreciated.
I believe the spoiler handle is backwards in the animation. The arm position was in the front and were armed by pulling up on the handle. The “hook” pulled the handle back at main gear spin up or nose strut compression. The spoilers did work as flight spoilers to augment roll input when the gear were down.
I can’t remember whether you edit or have someone else do it, but I just wanted to compliment the editing, which is on par with your storytelling-that is to say, truly excellent.
This is the first time I hear about this accident, and I thought I studied them all! Very sad to think that the FO went with all that guilt. May their souls rest in peace!
Maybe so many didn't hear about it or remember it is because a fatality count of a little more than 100 was becoming ever so common place; and that within the next several years, it was eclipsed by a series of unprecedented 200+ fatalities crashes involving the new jumbo jets over the next several years. 1974 346 deaths became the world's worst; then 1977 became the new record holder with 583 lost. Followed by 3 more in 1978/9 killing over 700 more.
What I find is vacations can be tiring, especially travelling. Someone just being back from a vacation may not be so well rested. I find I always need a few days to recuperate after I travel any distance, even a 4 hour flight. I always plan absolutely nothing the first 2-3 days of a vacation, so I can rest.
I have lived my whole life in Brampton. I know the approximate area you visited … I HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS CRASH! Pearson Airport is just a part of life here; the highway that is parallel to some runways, the 401, is also a part of life, as are plane sightings and jet noise. Thanks for sharing this history and for visiting my city!
Amazingly, this wasn't the first crash in the current borders of Brampton! A Trans-Canada Air Lines (the English name of Air Canada before 1965) Super Constellation crashed on December 17, 1954 in what is now northwest Brampton. The crash site is just west of Brisdale, south of McCrimmon. Everyone lived from that accident despite the heavy impact. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing that indicates that a plane crashed around there!
I grew up in Brampton too and only first heard about it when I saw on the news about them building the memorial garden. I kind of wish I'd visited it when I still lived there.
@@Andrea-sg7qp This happened at Castlemore and McVean Rd. Back then it was Bramalea. My dad ran Mayfield Complex which was just a few blocks further North. We lived near Balmoral and Braemar, so the plane would have gone right over our area. We were flying home from Vancouver on a DC8 the same day and our flight was delayed for 8 hours. They used Woodbridge Arena as a morgue if I remember correctly. Very sad day. So many years ago but still seems like not that long. RIP to all the victims and Condolences to the loved ones.
Your perfectionism is what sets you apart from so many other aviation channels, and this video really shows your attention to detail. Fantastic work yet again.
What an excellent video. Thank you for taking the great care to make it & following up with corrections. You seem to care deeply about this topic, which shines through. Gladly have my sub, like & comment🤩
This is incredibly well done. Every detail, from the operation of the spoilers to explanation of the pilots' remarks to each other, was very clearly explained. This is top quality content. Subscribed!
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I can't help feeling that the outcome would have been much better if the pilot in command hadn't chosen to go around and instead, committed to the landing. Obviously I have the benefit of hindsight and didn't come to this conclusion within the mere seconds the pilot had available to make such a choice.
At the end of the day, this proved that the pilots mistrust of possible mid air deployment of the spoilers was well founded.
@@KenFullman The report does say that, given his training and his actions just before touchdown, it would've been impossible to expect him to change course and commit to a hard landing.
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Brilliant video once again Chloe and absolutely heartbreaking to hear him say Sorry it made me cry. I really enjoyed how this episode was written and produced. ❤❤
The fact that the FO spent the last few minutes of his life blaming himself for what was truly just an honest and understandable mistake, makes it all the more tragic.
He should never have been put in a position where that error was so easy to make.
It's so terrible. He made a mistake, but it's also a mistake that pilots had been led to believe couldn't result in what happened. Most times, muscle memory and routine serve us well, and this one time, it was a tragedy.
@@shelleymacaskill8726 The worst thing about the whole disaster is that this was clearly a case of what is termed "Normalizing deviation" that is in itself a sure recipe for disaster, but was in this particular case enhanced by McDonald Douglas giving false information that caused issues known to pilots flying the aircraft type and almost certainly forcing them into the issue of normalizing deviation.
This disaster was bound to happen from the day the spoiler system for the DC-8 was designed which just makes the tormenting feelings of the FO even sadder and more uncalled for. He never stood a chance of anticipating or understanding the real issues in the disaster or that he, despite being the one to put the lever in the wrong position, wasn't to blame in any way. It was as stated an honest mistake that should never have caused anything to happen other than perhaps a giggle or 2 from the flight crew.
And the maddest thing is that 109 people died so needlessly because pilots and instructors and even airlines were led down a blind path of lies and deceipt which led to the disaster. This is one case where there is no such thing as a "God moves in mysterious ways" to soothen any hurt or grief of those who lost their lives or loved ones.
@@shelleymacaskill8726 Yeah, he flew the plane to the best of his ability... but the understanding was faulty due to misinformation.
Well, he should have followed the checklist. It was due to each pilot choosing his own way, rather than following established procedure.
Douglas still hadn’t corrected the known mechanical pilot prevention failure of spoilers 3 years later! 🤬
“Pete, sorry.”
Devastating.
Going to be a dick here but that's the most Canadian thing I've heard today
@@captainbossman1016 if you know you sound like a dick before saying something then maybe dont say it.
Ive seen this joke multiple times now in the comments and it isnt funny.
@@captainbossman1016 Meh, fair. But it really actually brings me down, somehow makes me emotional. That mistakes are made by so many, and their smallest mistakes yes could cause something like this. But seriously, sometimes they aren't intentional. idk man. Where do you draw that line when you can forgive them versus not?
But at the end, does it matter? It is what it is. and we have people who purposefully do this and have no guilt for this
Yeah the first time he said it and the second time. I imagine the second time the Captain was thinking. "Well Don I appreciate that your sorry, but it's not really helping the situation."
Ugh. So sad 😢
Just hearing that First Officer’s voice saying “Pete Sorry” knowing that by his own hand he may have doomed everyone is so heartbreaking..
It really is. I know he made a fatal mistake but can't help feeling bad for the guy.
It's also the most Canadian thing ever.
Ok but i don’t know what that little girl was supposed to do with “sorry.” I do know what she could have done with any degree of competence.
It wasn’t even his fault, it never should have been to able to happen in the fking first place, Douglass is fully responsible, the FO’s preference was due to him feeling it was safer and more comfortable, sad he went down thinking it was on him because Douglass knew about the issue in the first place
They shouldn't have aborted the landing
This is why I'm a firm believer in "Touch the Ground, Stay On the Ground."
If you smack the ground that hard, and don't know the extent of the damage to flight controls, engines, and surfaces... shove it in and bring it to a stop...
I'd rather ride through a possible runway excursion and evacuation, than fall out of the sky because we went around.
I am not even a pilot and I was thinking the same thing. I guess hindsight is always 20/20.
That's what I was thinking. As I see it, once the ground spoilers had been deployed, the pilot immediately decided to accelerate to counteract the spoilers and try to avoid hitting the ground. As the plane hit the ground he was still accelerating and then he continued to do so even after the plane had touched the ground. In hindsight, if he had reduced engine power as soon as the plane touched the runway, the result would have been a very hard landing with much damage, and there would have been fuel leaks and probably a fire, but at least they'd be on the ground and people would have had a chance to get off the plane.
I just commented the same thing. The plane was already committed to the landing, plus a loud boom o in contact. Just bring it to a screeching fault on the runway.
Pakistan Air had a rough ground strike while attempting to land, and the pilots tried to do a TOGA. Plane didn't survive the damage to land properly.
@anthonyfernandez1768: The pilot pulled up the nose and increased engine thrust to counteract to loss of lift from the deployment of spoilers, and did so before ground contact. The rate of descent went from 1500 ft/min to 1000, and softened the impact. This was a good move, as no action likely would've destroyed the plane upon impact, since the impact at the lower rate of descent already exceeded the design limits of the plane and damaged the starboard wing. However, if he then had landed the plane after the bounce, the plane could land with its right wing still attached, and everyone could evacuate from the port side, if a fire erupts on the starboard wing tip.
But the plane got airborne again, and the flight crew didn't know of the wing damage, loss of engine #4, and ensuing fire. Thus, they took a standard attempt of a TOGA, which was long enough for the fire to progress to explosions that tore off the wing.
Thank you for this doc, great work as usual. I lost 3 friends on that flight, Mario, Joanne, Jeannine Chapdelaine. French Canadian friends of our family, they were loved and are not forgotten.
That sucks ! It's sickening the way it unfolded while they were landing and the pilots had no idea that it was going to roll and go nose in.
How do you lose 3 people? Where did they go, and did you ever find them?
Sorry for your loss
Do you blame the pilots? I'm really sorry for your loss and I hope you've been well.
Sorry for your loss
Every video has the same message:
Air safety is written in blood
*All safety is written in blood
@@StressBall5Any air disaster will create better safety to make sure the disaster never happens again* There’s some exceptions, but since at least the 90s a disaster changes safety laws. Multiple disasters in a short period (MAX 8 for instance) results in grounding every plane.
Compare that to ANY other mode the NTSB polices. Train derailments still happen. Trains still regularly hit cars many times a year due to some stops only having a stop sign and not a crossing bar. Car accidents happen regularly. Hell, the Ford Pinto was put into production and when they found out a gentle rear end collision could make the car EXPLODE due to the location of the gas tank? They literally said “it’ll cost more to recall them all than to get sued for every death. So no recall.” We saw this with Toyota’s mats, and the airbags too: NTSB doesn’t order a recall for even over a hundred of these issues. Only planes will get those changes, since it’s such huge numbers of deaths and also because so many innocent lives can be lost on the ground.
I have a teacher who said that.
I always used to say this when people had a chuckle about there being ashtrays in the airplane bathroom. There's a very good reason they're there.
@@Faded-Tales-PreviouslyHarley The NTSB doesn't implement those changes. They investigate and give advisories, but it's up to the FAA (or other relevant authority) to actually implement and enforce the changes.
In remembrance:
Captain Peter Cameron Hamilton, 50
First Officer Donald Rowland, 40
Flight Engineer Harry Gordon Hill, 28
Purser Robert J. Cédilot, 29
Flight Attendant Marie T. Ginette Bertrand, 23
Flight Attendant Yolande M.C. Daoust, 25
Flight Attendant Suzanne M. Dion, 23
Flight Attendant Denise M. Goulet, 22
Flight Attendant Hildegund Wieczorek, 24
Céline Fradette Adam
Pierre J. Adam
Gaétan Beaudin, 27
Roland Bélanger, 38
Hélène Bélanger, 39
Jacques Bélanger, 15
Jean Bélanger, 12
Rosanne Bélanger, 10
Helen Benson, 12
Leonard Benson, 45
Mary Benson, 39
Richard Benson, 9
Lynn Ann Boosamra, 11
Guy Boulanger
Dollie Bradshaw
Jeannine Chapdelaine, 30
Joanne Chapdelaine, 11
Mario Chapdelaine, 8
Jean Maurice Charest
Devona Olivia Clarke, 56
Francine Côté
Brigitte Rodrigue DesMarais, 34
Gabriel DesMarais
Alice Dicaire, 49
Gilles Dicaire, 46
Linda Dicaire, 16
Luc Dicaire, 11
Marc Dicaire, 14
Jacqueline Doré, 47
Lewella Frances Earle, 21
Linda Margaret Earle, 21
Francesco Filippone, 37
Linda Filippone, 15
Marie Filippone, 37
King Bun Gee, 35
Madeleine Maria Flores Honorine Grenier, 54
Diana Cicely Growse, 41
Jane Isobel Growse, 2
Roger Henry Growse, 4
Karen Elaine Hamilton, 19
Ronald Alvin Herrmann, 32
Claude Kieran Holiday, 57
Wesley Graham Houston, 52
Irene Marguerite Houston, 51
Vagn Aage Jakobsen, 24
Gilles Labonté, 43
Marie-Rose Leclaire, 57
Oscar Leclaire, 67
Henri W. Leduc
Claudette Lepage, 29
Gerald Bernard Mailhiot
Claire Gagnon-Mailhiot
Karolina Fiedler Maitz, 57
Gustav Adolf Maitz, 56
Winnifred Grace McKettrick, 46
John Walter McTague, 63
Carla Medizza
Dolly Mohammed, 38
Antonio Costanzo Molino, 43
Michel Molino, 14
Frederick Thompson Moore, 48
Carnis Ann Partridge, 30
Cyril Wayne Partridge, 29
Andreé Partridge, 67
Kenneth William Phillips, 27
Rita Gagné-Poirier, 56
Gilles Raymond, 16
Marcel Raymond, 45
Georges Étienne Robert, 49
Aline Legault Robert, 45
Lionel Émile Robidoux, 37
Marci Robin Silverberg, 12
Merle Silverberg, 34
Steven Phllip Silverberg, 9
Istvan Simon, 35
Mark Woodrow Simon, 46
Dwight Lee Smith, 24
Glenn Thomas Steppings, 17
Blanche Lucienne St-Laurent, 52
Celia Sultan
Jerald Mark Sultan, 4 months
Robert Lowell Sultan, 2
Borys A. Szpakowicz, 39
Serge-Alexandré Szpakowicz, 10
Carmen M.M. Tielens, 41
Frederick A.J. Tielens, 8
Athanasia Tournovits, 42
George Soula Tournovits, 14
Carla Weinberg, 11
Rita Naomi Weinberg, 39
Wendy Weinberg, 8
Jennifer Cavell Whittingham, 54
John Reginald Whittingham, 12
Reginald Whittingham, 53
Mary Baker Whybro, 62
Edgar Bradley Witmer, 48
Mansing Wong, 63
Ngar-Quon Wong, 58
Suzie Wong, 11
Dallas James Woodard, 60
Rest in Peace
Thank you.
So many children :((
@@calci2679 too many children
you a real one 🫡
You've really upped your production quality. Its been insane to have been watching you since 2018.
Watching from the real early days lol
Insane? Really.
I was 12 when this happened. I remember being at home when my father, and Air Canada Pilot and accident investigator, got a phone call and had to leave right away. He was an investigator on this accident. Over the summer the investigation team met at our house (in Etobicoke) many time to discuss what had to be done, and how to approach the investigation. My father explained to me all the things that happened, and why they did happen. I believe this video is pretty accurate based on my recollection, with a few exceptions. The #4 engine broke off when they hit the ground, and damaged the outer wing. The #3 engine pilon broke across the front as it was held to the wing with a semicircle of bolts at the front, and a large one at the back. The front bolts were ripped out, the rear held. There was sufficient fuel in the fuel system to keep the engine running, and the torque kept that engine and pilon pressed up against the wing and in place. As the plane flew on, the damaged fuel system could not supply fuel to the engine, and the #3 engine stopped and fell away. This tore the inner wing apart as it twisted free. This caused the additional explosion, and accounted for total the damage to the wing. #3 engine was found in a field starved of fuel. When the wing came off, the plane rolled over 2 and 1/2 times and went in nose first, but essentially upside down. At one time, I was able to go through all the photos of the crash site. There was no gore, and there was almost nothing distinguishable. I only saw that photo album once as I assume my dad took it away.
Wow thank you for the insight
Pylon ‼️
Wow, you seem to really LIKE the attention you get from writing about this event. That’s too bad. You’re rubbernecking and showing off what you "know."
But… "… a field starved of fuel…" and other strange details that you list make little to no sense. And pylon is spelled with a "y," not an "i."
At age 12, there’s just NO WAY you could remember so many items. IF your dad was an investigator, his notes would be stored somewhere away from and NOT AT your home.
Your memory also seems a somewhat ad-libbed on many bits; it’s just not worth the time and energy to lay into each one. So, g'nite laddie. 🙄
OMG one last thing-your surname is SMALLman?!! I’d use another handle if I were you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheFriendlyamoeba ‘twas not insight. It was an ad-libbed bowl of fruitcake ‼️
My family and I witnessed the entire sequence of events from the terminal observation deck that morning. From the approach, to the loss of the engine, to the plane falling out of the sky - and every horrifying step in between. The words you chose in your intro were apropos to put it mildly.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeah right
You know, its not healthy to go thru this world not believing anyone, but maybe its who you hang out with, family, work or where you put yourself online. You should be savi g your energy vommenting and put it to yourself and ask "why am I so insecure about what others say"-- Im guessing your parents werent the best and you got trust issues from that hmm? @beenhog6922
@@beenhog6922 you stupid? it happened at an airport, it's entirely feasible. life isn't a movie.
@@beenhog6922 Uh, you do know how many people would of witnessed it right? Why is it so hard to believe that one would find their way to a video about it?
"Sorry! Sorry, Pete!" Even without the voice recording I can feel the devistation oozing from this :-(
Props for you to go all the way to the location of the victims demise to film this video, well made!
Its actually a beautiful garden. I've been to a few memorials but this one goes way above and beyond.
@@DisasterBreakdowni was surprised at how beautiful it was! i love the idea of the little raised pyramids. so nicely implemented
It's a nice touch to the video
No props were used nor harmed in the accident or making of this video. Just turbojets and turbofans
Props?
As someone who’s Canadian, this disaster really stuck out for me. Being one of the only completely fatal accidents in Air Canada’s history (The other being Trans-Canada Lines 831), it’s so surprising there’s barely any videos about it online. Thanks for covering this accident.
Yes I noticed this. Very few people have talked about it, despite its high profile nature.
I think there was another air Canada where the lavatory caught fire and killed 23 people😢
There's was another plane crash in 1949, but it was caused by a bomb. It crashed in Québec near where I used to live. There's a plaque commemorative of the crash.
@@Lady_Trouble Air Canada 797 is the one you're referring to however there were 23 survivors in that crash unlike 621 which is the only Air Canada crash to have no survivors. 797 tho did help make flying a bit safer as many fire regulations in aviation are attributed to this incident
Technically, Trans-Canada Air Lines 831 was also a completely fatal accident in Air Canada's history. Air Canada was the French name for the airline since 1954, and English ads from 1963 did show both English and French names. 1965 was when the airline renamed itself to Air Canada in English.
This was up there amongst the most heart breaking of stories. The fact that the F/O instantly took the blame as he knew what would happen next just makes it worse. I also have to commend you on the video. They keep getting better. The delivery and composition is totally professional. On a par with anything on TV and other channels, of which there are many excellent ones. However, what I feel sets you apart is the deep humanity and compassion with which you approach and treat them. It is almost as if you know everyone on board and the loss affects you as well, and this runs through all your videos. This one is no exception. The visit to the crash site just highlights that as well. Outstanding work
Anyone else think it's crazy that ATC didn't mention the fire, and that the closed runway was for THEIR DEBRIS and engine??
I mean nothing could have been done anyway we know now but wow.
That is the most thoughtful memorial for an aircraft crash I've ever seen, with the tiles arranged by family. It's beautiful.
Well it also deserves a couple of bucks to maintain it. It looked a little rough around the edges to me.
@@daveth121864How much would you like to contribute to the fund?
Much better than the "BBQ pork...and burnt hair" quote beneath the first responder statue.
As it was, they excavated the field to remove remaining shards of aluminum, plastic...and bones that work up through the soil periodically. There was such destruction, everything was pulverized. This soul was to have been interred beneath the memorial.
I had a "worst Canadian disasters" book when I was a kid. The three stories that stuck with me from it were the Halifax WWI explosion, the collapse of the Quebec bridges, and this story. The way it was recounted in the book was essentially: the first officer pulled back rather than pushed forward on the lever deploying the spoilers immediately rather than on touchdown, the plane fell out of the sky like a rock, bounced once, pulled up, and crashed into a nearby hillside, and the first officer's refusal to arm the spoilers as directed by procedure was arrogant and directly responsible for everyone's death, the end. No accounting for pilots' reticence to follow procedure, no explanation of the damage done to the pylons, engines, and wings from the hard landing, no discussion about the tower's failure to communicate vital information to the pilots, and one inexplicable hill fabrication. This video did a much better job.
And the Hinton CN/Via Rail crash
That's what happens when a bunch of authors with a surface level knowledge of those industries write a book and demonstrate their ignorance. They probably included tons of misinformation about the Quebec Bridge and Halifax Explosion. I just happen to write this from modern day Halifax!
@@IzzyOnTheMove (Lac Megantic)
@@thecaynuck A friend of mine used to live in Dartmouth and she would tell me about how everything was leveled on that side of town and all the buildings were much newer than 1917. The Halifax Explosion was so horrific and very preventable.
@None-zc5vg the Hinton crash and the megantic crash are two separate disasters.
God. That last "Pete, sorry" is so, so, so heartbreaking. That poor man. That poor poor man. He is dying with the guilt that he has caused all these other deaths by a silly mistake. Oh, my heart. And the arrangement of the squares in the memorial is so poignant.
Edit: Also, dang Chloe, this video was really really fricking good, wow
No it isn’t. It’s hilarious 😂😂 they all got scared and went on a hell of a ride
Well at that point they definitely didn't know the flight was doomed. He said sorry because he was for making the mistake in the first place and knew that captain was going to chew that ass after the flight... I'm a captain here in the USA and I'd definitely want to talk about any flight control being put into an undesired state.... I'm am probably one of the most laid back captains at my company out of thousands but I'd be kinda pissed about that and would have put that thing back on the ground asap. Fire in flight is the only thing that makes me nervous and if I had one going on in that situation I would fly straight out for 5 or so miles and quickly make a 180 a put it down.... checklist be dammed. The fire trucks can put out a fire better then I can in flight. Plus any checklist or QRH procedure can be done pretty Damm quick by a competent crew. Everyone flies differently and minus the FO the rest of the crew did the best they could with an impossible situation.
@@erickwalker11They’re talking about the second apology. They knew by then.
My father was working the tower that day. I was 12 years old. I still remember when he came home from work.
I’ve watched hundreds of air disaster docs on TH-cam. This may be the best I’ve ever seen. The attention to detail, genuine interest and empathy, footage from a personal visit to the memorial….wow. Outstanding job.
Between you and Mentour Aviation we have some of the best quality air crash documentaries ever made. Never thought Air Crash Investigation would be outdone by TH-cam but you are officially better. You deserve millions of subs.
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100% agree. Do you think we could get Chloe and Petter to do a collab? Or do you think if you saw those two on a plane together it would just empty the flight, as you’d 100% think something bad was gonna happen? ;)
Air crash investigations would be great if it didn't repeat everything 20 times.
@@davidbrooks9576 yeah I don't like that and the minute or so introductory narration gives away a lot of the mystery and part of the fun was trying to figure out what was causing the accident. So I learned to just to skip to the credits to avoid spoilers about certain accidents.
There's a new Air Crash channel on the block doing very well too.....
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST INTROS YOUVE DONE
Thanks. Thought I'd take a shot at a different sort of intro from the usual air accident videos with the bombastic intros.
It might sound weird but I especially like that there was no impact explosion shown.
@@baumkuchen6543Agreed. As someone who has taken editing myself and film in college, it was a very poignant moment and cut.
I wonder if the crew would have reacted any differently had Toronto Tower told them they were missing an engine and were on fire. The crew went around and proceeded as if their aircraft was still intact. I wonder if the knowledge that they had significant damage would have primed them to respond to an emergency rather than a normal go around.
I too am surprised that ATC neglected to inform the pilots of such serious damage to their aircraft, instead handing them over to another operator who would probably be unaware that the pilots hadn't been told. They surely must know that the pilots can't see behind them so may be oblivious to major damage.
My thought also.
Should we tell them the engine is on fire? Nah. They'll figure it out.
I know right? wtf!!! 🤷♀️@lpr5269
Why didn’t Airplane stewardess’s tell the pilots what was going on? Not that it would’ve helped.
"Pete, sorry." That's a phrase that pops into my head on occasion. It's such a meaningful two short words, said by a man who knew he'd made a mistake, and who obviously felt the weight of it in the moment, and deep regret for the error. Very sad.
Brilliant narration and great video making. Thanks for that and RIP the victims. I watched a lot of air disasters but never heard of this one that happened at my city. I even came from a Brampton visit last week and had no idea about that memorial exists
“not like those other planes” made me chuckle. Not easy to add little jokes like that without messing up the tone in such a serious, heartbreaking topic, but you managed it! Love your content, Chloe, and I’ll add my own compliments to your production value and overall quality. You are an inspiration 💜
Perfect comment, no notes. I adore this channel and its community 🕊️
Nice sunglasses.
I really, really love how you go an extra mile and actually visit the locations of the disasters you cover, plus your editing is getting better with each episode.
This was horrible, the poor guy feeling so much guilt in his final moments, I couldn’t even look at the doll. Well presented respectful and insightful thank you.
He should have felt guilty. It was his actions that killed everyone on-board
That was a beautiful memorial and long overdue. Heartfelt condolences for lives lost and family and friends grieving.
I have watched hundreds of air disaster videos for many years. This one stands out as one of the best of them all!
The accident was explained in an understandable way even for the laymen. The story itself is full of twist and turns. It is a fascinating story!
It was amazing such a slip of the hand could result in such unbelievable catastrophe!
The story is gripping. The care put into making this video makes it one of the best air disaster videos I have ever viewed.
My hat off to the maker of this video! Thank You!
Everyone's mentioning it but I'ma mention it anyway. Chloes becoming such a good director/videographer. Like the progress has been so fun to watch
Her production quality over the last year has just become so brilliant, really proud of her progress and hard work
@@hg8506 some credit also has to go to the voice actor who we actually hear in the videos, he does an excellent job, far better than the low effort channels that just use one of those annoying AI voices
I often put the whole channel on random play while I'm pottering around the house. I can place each video in rough chronological order based on how much she learnt and improved over the years. And I cannot thank her enough 💜
So true! The quality is really fantastic
right? the past few videos you've been able to see the improvement but I feel like this one in specific is so far ahead of just the previous video its incredible
Air Canada DID in fact audit the Douglas manual: and killed 109 people in carrying out the audit. Like the Eschede rail disaster: DB's wheelsets, having been flagged for errors by Hanover tramways at 35 kph were finally tested at full speed, upon which they disintegrated and killed 101 people.
Wow.
Had the Captain simply followed the checklist instead of trying to "think" this would have never happened. I have 4000 hour L1011 and I flew with alot of morons who thought they knew better than the engineers and test pilots who developed checklists and procedures .
Chloe I want to give you a compliment: One of the things that I think you do better than ALL of the others is that you do an OUSTANDING job of "translating" aircraft techno-eze into the best Plain English descriptions... I know that most av-geeks probably know what a back course approach is; well I didn't and like the other terms, you do a GREAT job of making it understandable. Thank you!
Not only that..... translates without leaving use who know the techno-eze out of the look. Outstanding videos.....
This comment is going to be embossed in a plaque.
I think it was a very nice idea to start a memorial garden in memory of all the passengers. Very sad indeed. Thank you very much for your posting of this video... Job well done. You presented this video excellent... ❤😢
The no smoking cabin light that actually says like and subscribe was a cute idea. You've got my like for that one.
What a heart wrenching accident. The apology (“Sorry, Pete”) is especially poignant. I can’t imagine how both the crew and the passengers felt.
I get goosebumps just thinking about how he must have felt.
Whow. That Intro. Goosebumps.
glad you liked it!
@@DisasterBreakdownit was insane, considering, the suburb I live in Montreal is smack right next to the airport and my bus line I take stops there. Heck my home is or was as idk if that runway closed under one of the runway approaches paths.
No aircraft accident documentaries terrify me more than the ones centered around accidents that happen on approach. I can't imagine the feeling of relief at finally landing turning to instant dread and fear.
So I can't even imagine the grief, pain, and regret that First Officer Rowland felt in those last few moments. They were so close, and an honest brain fart is what did them in.
Great video as always, but God, what a horrifying accident.
It wasn't even really his fault. M-D didn't have a good reason for building the controls like they did. That lever should have been made such that he couldn't even deploy the spoilers in flight.
I could see myself making that kind of mistake. Luckily, my job involves policy, so there’s never such immediate, irreversible, and catastrophic consequences.
I've always thought that if I had to die in an air crash, I'd want it to be on takeoff rather than landing. The last way I want to spend the last hours of my life is stuck in economy 🤷 But after watching these for long enough, I never relax until we have come to a complete stop lol
The fact that they were actually on the ground at one point.....
@@Coconutscott Yes, its sad. The engine is in full thrust and generating lift so the pilot thought go for another aooriach😢
Hi. I’ve been an airplane enthusiast for a long time and also one that’s studied physics in university, I’ve always been fascinated with these stories. Thank you for presenting them in such a detailed manner both from aerodynamic, mechanical and human perspective.
This one in particular hits home as I grew up only a 30 drive away from Brampton. Keep up the wonderful work!
I'm usually very harsh with social media channels but
You went to the site and I think that's very impressive and respectful. Your detail and approach to this video was very good. Much respectful and subscribed
I love that this channel talks about the lives of those lost. It gives respect to those thst were onboard. They were people just like us.
You've really upped your game in the quality and production of your videos! That intro was breathtaking! Well done Chloe!
Thanks a ton!
I'm loving the addition of visiting the crash sites. While obviously there are some that are impossible/difficult to get to, it's really fascinating to see what happens to a space after such a traumatic event. No one else does it like you!
This was extremely well presented. I intend to subscribe and listen to all of your analyses. So logical, so informative, so clearly presented.
This is one of the very best implementations of a documentary. From the excellent narration & the fact that you put your commercial at the end created a win win for the both of us. I will subscribe. Thanks
That's a beautiful memorial. I'm glad you took the time to show it.
Thank you for being one of the most calming presences on YT. ❤
You are so welcome
For those wondering, the "If you know you know" at 15:42 ,
That is BOAC Flight 911, a Boeing 707 registered G-APFE. The recording is looking over another crashed Canadian DC-8 at Haneda Airport, And watched as the 707 taxied and took off before crashing about 10-15 minutes later. That clip watching is is the last footage of that aircraft, and the aircraft crashed under 24 hours after the DC-8 did, the cause was severe turbulence and an inflight break up.
This crash is becoming something of aviation.legend with so many touched by the magnitude of this tragedy. And now a connection to a BOAC departing flight that crashed also. My goodness this only one that I can bring to mind is that L1011 that went down in the everglades a year or 2 later.
@markr.devereux3385 you mean Eastern 401?
@@RobloxiaIntlAerospaceGroup yes where the first officer was in the nose gear baytrying desperately to lock the mechanism. The passenger jet clipped the wing in the terrain when they strayed to low.
Oh Chloe. Yet again you've broken my heart. So much thought and empathy from you, the crash site memorial was wonderful. Thanks again for an amazing video. You rock chick 🐥
What a beautiful tribute. Thanks for taking us to the memorial site. You had me in tears. I'm Canadian.
This video actually made me cry, these are always heartbreaking but to hear the FO say “sorry Pete” I can’t imagine the pain and devastation he must of felt it’s almost unimaginable. I really do enjoy how Chloe writes and produces these accidents, there’s always so much feeling conveyed whilst explaining the accident sequence in what I call plain language. There always excellent work and by far one of my favourite channels. The remembrance garden was gorgeous and very poignant ❤❤❤❤
That opening montage was truly harrowing.
Did nobody in the control tower see the flames trailing the plane? Nobody??
@@mnirwin5112 I suppose ultimately it wouldn't have mattered if the crew did or didn't know about the fire... It seems if I'm understanding it correctly the fuel leak was unstoppable and unfortunately from the point the plane lifted back off from the runway its fate was sealed as there would've been no way for them to get back to the runway in the less than 3 minutes that they had.
thank you for showing photos of the passengers and crew, along with information about their lives. Part of the reason I think I've been watching so many similar disaster docs is because of the empathy creators like you show towards the victims.
Recently retired from a 40 plus year aviation career. I thought this was an exceptionally well made documentary.
You did a great job explaining the idiosyncrasies of pilot logic and cockpit crew dynamics, as well as clear uncomplicated explanations of relevant systems and procedures. When pilots have a new technology that still is in its infancy, has a few mysterious unknowns, an unproven track record, and a history of POSSIBLY not behaving the way the manual says it will, they have a healthy skepticism about relying on it and sometimes come up with work arounds, often reverting back to more basic methods that they have used in the past.
That normally is a completely conservative way to ensure safety, however the inherent design flaw in that DC-8 spoiler lever made it backfire in this case. It's inconceivable that the spoiler lever "Retract" position would require moving the lever in one direction to the "Arm" position, but movement in the opposite direction to the "Extend" position. That's a setup for failure.
An example of how a pilot might take SOP's and bend them to make them work in the real world: when the 737 Max starting making smoking holes in the ground, before it was grounded and the MCAS design flaws corrected, my workaround was to engage the autopilot before final flap retraction on departure and to extend them to some amount on approach before disconnecting the autopilot. Somewhat unusual and not in the book or the way it was trained, but this would prevent the MCAS from firing off because that system only functioned with the autopilot off in a clean configuration.
The hardest landing I ever saw in my life was as a Flight Engineer on the 727 - pretty similar to this Air Canada event. The 727 didn't have an auto spoiler system and they were deployed manually by the Captain, either when he touched down on his landings, or when the FO called for them after touchdown if it was his landing. We did a visual to 22L at EWR ,circle to land on 29 which is a hot mess of an approach that involves a left turn away from the landing runway and a short descending right 180 turn to land. He's all over the sky the whole way to the threshold, but the FO finally touches down and calls for "Spoilers". Before I can blurt out, "NO!" because he'd actually done a gentle skip and we were in a gentle climb about 50" in the air, the CA pulls the lever and we came down like 3 tons of bricks. The FO's seat bottomed out on the height adjustment rails, the Captain is yelling "Fly the pieces son!", and we got the full rubber jungle from the masks dropping in the cabin. It was eye watering.
Informative post!
Let’s quit blaming this on an ”inherent” design flaw, this was pilot error all the way.
Frankly, I believe the 727 Max crashes were also pilot error. A well trained crew would not have crashed those aircraft.
@@Scribe127
I can see your point. But the DC-8 crash is complicated by the fact that the pilots were trained it was literally impossible to deploy the spoilers in flight. This in turn appears to have been because MD was very vague on the subject. So to me, these three elements, MD, AC pilot training, and pilot error can not so readily be separated from one another. The fact this was ONLY happening on DC-8 aircraft suggests a shortcoming. Many airlines expressed concern about the system. Finally, after an Icelandic DC-8 crashed in 1973 after the spoilers were extended, MD very quietly made modifications to the design. That speaks quite a bit given how fiercely MD defended themselves in the Loftleider suit that followed.
As to the MAX, there is also no doubt in my mind that, at least in the Ethiopian crash, there was very defective pilot training. There's a book on that very subject by an ET pilot who saw first hand how the airline failed badly at pilot training. As usual, ET covered it up. But the fact remains that the MAX had a dangerous flaw: it would not have crashed had there been no MCAS, or at the very least such a casual attitude about the pilot training needed.
@@Scribe127 The irony is that the newer pilots were deliberately kept in the dark just so the industry WOULDN'T have to be pay for extra training. Fliers of the older B737 200 would have instinctively switched off the electric Stabilizer Trim. It was instinctual muscle memory.
I definitely adds a special personal touch when you visit the accident places yourself. In practically every other accident video made by other tubers however well made it is, that personal touch is missing, and we only get to see stock images or videos of the site. Of course it's not always possible to make that trip personally, but you have already made it (at least) twice, so props for that!
I’ve seen and read hundreds of these investigations. Why never this one? All I can think is because it’s plainly too sad. Your one of a kind personal review of the memorial just multiplies the effect. Really impactful presentation. Thank you for doing these. And this.
oh chloe. this is such a heartbreaking, devastating, honest mistake that had such a terrible cost. thank you for your respectful and compassionate approach to this disaster.
You honor their memory so thoughtfully. Thank you for telling the story.
OMG! Just hearing about this. I lived in Brampton in my early years and I had no idea. I, now, live in the US. I would love to visit this memorial in my future visit to Canada. God bless the victims.
I'm at the 35 minute mark and this is already one of my favorite videos of yours.
I really appreciate that!
As a Canadian who lives maybe 30 minutes from the accident site and am very much interested in aviation since childhood, i never heard about this air accident, and this got me thinking that i might go visit this park sometime soon because as soon as i saw the intro and the walking paths i said "wait a minute, that looks familiar", lo and behold i was right, great video, keep up the good work!
Wheres the accident site, may go see it
Kind-of surreal to suddenly find your hometown is being featured in an episode. Brings to mind when SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was released and a movie audienced unexpectedly saw their little midwest town being raided by FBI agents after a serial killer. the theater went quiet the townspeople had no idea that the big budget movie used the entrance WELCOME TO RIVERDALE IOWA sign during a raid on the residence of a psycho sex killer. The rest of scene was filmed in another location but the caravan of fbi agents and SWAT rolling past the WELCOME TO sign was a complete surprise.
@@Thegoldenaerobar2 Purple Lilac Memorial Park on Degrey Dr, Brampton
@@flawsee8456 oh cool I'm near there
@@Thegoldenaerobar2 I went a couple years back, they did a nice job on it...walking in the field was eerie though!
Douglas merged with McDonnell, which then "acquired" Boeing, and the culture of profit over safety prevails. I was an IBM architect on the Boeing 787 project when the plan was delivered to ANA, the first delivery, and I was shocked how bad the culture was at Boeing. In their defence, the fullt-time employees always said, "If you think we are bad, you should see the defence side of the company!"
And it's only gotten worse.. I don't understand how people trust their lives to these shoddy machines anymore.
I guess like everything else, the aeronautical field has been hit by the competency crisis.
I used to work for these guys and we took immense pride and were very aware peoples lives depended on us doing things correctly. I was actually interviewed by the 60 minutes crew i was tasked with guiding them around our facilities. I was threatened by my VP to not be to honest or show them certain things which we were actively hiding in order to ensure we would not jeopardize the next round of funding. We lied our asses off with ARPRO also involved during a program review. I have many stories and secret’s I’ve never revealed . Over all the actual people that turn wrenches are very much quality conscious management not so much.
Ah the ongoing myth that Boeing was somehow 'pure' before they acquired MD...
Check out Boeing's history on the rushed development of the B-29, the B747 and the 737 all _before_ they acquired MD. They have been skirting certification throughout their history and not just since the 90s.
Just as one specific example look at the rushed certification of the 737-400 which led to the Kegworth disaster of 1989.
The whole aerospace industry has been corrupt and continues to be corrupt with the FAA basically allowing the manufacturers and airlines to write and enforce their own certifications.
Well, if you look at Boeing’s overall safety record in the last 20 years, I think you’re going to be SHOCKED to discover that a machine with over a MILLION parts, many of them in CONSTANT motion and holding back astronomical pressures, controllably burning THOUSANDS of gallons of fuel in ONE flight, is responsible for less deaths in this country every year than those from DOG bites!
Thank you for covering this accident. Being from Canada this disaster always fascinated me but it is not a well known incident.
"departure of the engine" has to be on the top of the list of understated corporate lingo :P
What a BEAUTIFUL intro and video. The fact that you visit these memorials and share the victims stories speaks volumes. Thank you for the time you take to carefully investigate and share these disasters. I can truly see the work and dedication, Chloe !
By the way, for what it is worth, the music you include is always so soothing despite the nature of these tragedies.
It’s interesting to now finally put a voice to the name AdmiralCloudberg. I do believe it was her Reddit posts that led me down the aviation disaster rabbit hole to this channel
The piano rendition of "its quiet uptown" is gorgeous and very fitting for that section
I know I started bawling when I heard it
"you hold your child as tight as you can, and push away the unimaginable" 😢
@littlebear3554 the moment when you're in so deep, it feels easier to just swim down ❤️
They really should not have tried to take off again. The response should have been to arrest the sink rate as best as possible, but stay on the ground, and deal with whatever happens. Trying to take off again is risking everything. Air crews have often tried to get away with it by taking further risks. But it is not worth a potential total loss to do so. Overrunning a runway is not the end of the world as compared with a total loss resulting from a possibly fatally damaged aircraft.
A very interesting and informative, albeit tragic, video. Thank you for the great video.
I'm glad you covered this incident. It's a shocking incident, and really really goes to show why they have checklists and procedures. Thank you Chloe.
That split second scene at the beginning from tulips to the devastation was eerie but yet cinematographically so cool.
I don't know what to say but this is just shocking. The last words on the cvr is just bone chilling..
I flew DC-8’s series 50, 61, 62, 63, and 70’s series. I had a similar incident in Saudi Arabia while on final approach. I was performing first officer duties. I armed the spoilers but in no way did I touch the spoiler handle after arming. However, on this 50 series jet I caught out of the corner of my eye the spoiler handle starting to move back and forth on its own but only slightly. At 1500 feet AGL without any action on my part the handle moved aft.. The airplane fell out of the sky instantly I grabbed the handle and shoved it forward and down as quickly as is humanly possible. The airplane immediately flew again but it was a very scary experience. The aircraft was a Japan Airlines DC-8 that was bought by the company I was flying for. This story makes a lot of sense to me. Douglas, once they got into the jet business started building defective designs that only after a number of deadly accidents did they improve. Think DC-10 and MD-11 accident records. Both of those airplanes I have extensive captain experience in.
Hi there Chloe! I’M A HUGE FAN of Disaster Breakdown ever since you started the channel! I’m so glad that I’m not alone in this world who also likes to research aviation accidents and incidents! I have in my possession (recently acquired actually) the report of the Board of Inquiry on the loss of Air Canada 621 in perfect condition! I have suggestions for what you can consider covering next:
1. Canadian Pacific 402
2. Itavia 870
3. Thai International 311 & PIA 268
4. LOT 007
5. Pan Am 6
I really hope 🤞🏻 that you consider taking my suggestions for crashes into your consideration!
Looking forward for your next episode!
Sincerely your biggest fan,
Colin
I can't imagine the emotions of the pilots during their final moments, what a horribly unfortunate mistake. Him apologizing immediately, the small amount of hope thinking they will make it, the explosions and subsequent knowledge of their own demise, and another apology. I feel so bad for this guy, it was such an understandable mistake.
I also wanted to say I really appreciate the effort you put into making your sources so easy to find.
Rest in peace to those who lost their lives. Great Video!
Another top notch job Chloe you have a great voice and delivery style very easy to listen to even with often such tragic stories I think you should do audiobooks I'd certainly listen to them well done
I keep meaning to look into Audiobooks. People keep telling me this! XD
@@DisasterBreakdownPlease do, you and Stephen Fry are my favourite English voices to listen to.
I'm confused, I thought the voiceover was done by a voice actor since the voiceover is clearly a guy, and everyone says the channel owner is a girl
@@DisasterBreakdown omg please do audiobook narration!!! You really do a great job
@@mwbgaming28 Chloe is a trans woman, I believe.
These design defects notwithstanding, the DC-8 was built like a tank. A completely analog aircraft controlled with cables, pulleys, and bell-cranks
I grew up in Brampton and you can still find pieces of that plane as well as human remains onsite. There's still a lot buried out there.
TAROM 371 next? It's one of the best ones to discuss
it is on my to do list!
@@DisasterBreakdown :pogg: TL;DR the A310 had "minor" throttle issues and 371 had to suffer for it. Also the captain had a heart attack.
How about martin air 138. No videos of that accident exist
@@stefanr8926 Neither for 371. One at a time.
"Pete, sorry." Never fails to send chills down my spine.
This channel deserves to have 1 million subscribers.
As crazy as it sounds my sister missed that flight because she woke up late. She was visiting our relatives in Lachine (Montreal) and was heading back to Thunder Bay but didn’t get to the airport in time and got booked on a later flight. Recently I went to the crash site and park in Brampton and wandered around and took some pictures for my sister. Edit: thank you for the thoughtful video and my heart goes out to the poor souls on board.
99% of us can make mistakes in our jobs with no consequences or consequences that don’t hurt anyone. I so feel for this guy. Not drunk, not stupid, just made an error.
Thank you Chloe for taking a trip to the crash site so we can see the amazing memorial to those who died in this crash.
Chloe…you are a storyteller extraordinaire‼️ That was a geniusly executed and produced video. Thank you‼️ Not a lot of content creators develop the human interest, personal side of these stories. Just brilliant‼️
Your rehumanizing of these tragedies, without glazing over the difficult and technical details, shows great care and talent-- so very much appreciated.
OK - Well done on this video . Very nicely done - thanks.
I believe the spoiler handle is backwards in the animation. The arm position was in the front and were armed by pulling up on the handle. The “hook” pulled the handle back at main gear spin up or nose strut compression. The spoilers did work as flight spoilers to augment roll input when the gear were down.
Dang, that intro is sick! And since you're a big DC-8 fan, will you do Japan Air Lines Flight 715?
4 minutes after release! That's a new record.
Welcome early bird 🐦
I can’t remember whether you edit or have someone else do it, but I just wanted to compliment the editing, which is on par with your storytelling-that is to say, truly excellent.
I edit everything myself :)
@@DisasterBreakdown Then you’re an incredible editor as well as a creator. I hope to be half as good as you. ❤️
This is the first time I hear about this accident, and I thought I studied them all! Very sad to think that the FO went with all that guilt. May their souls rest in peace!
Maybe so many didn't hear about it or remember it is because a fatality count of a little more than 100 was becoming ever so common place; and that within the next several years, it was eclipsed by a series of unprecedented 200+ fatalities crashes involving the new jumbo jets over the next several years. 1974 346 deaths became the world's worst; then 1977 became the new record holder with 583 lost. Followed by 3 more in 1978/9 killing over 700 more.
What I find is vacations can be tiring, especially travelling. Someone just being back from a vacation may not be so well rested. I find I always need a few days to recuperate after I travel any distance, even a 4 hour flight. I always plan absolutely nothing the first 2-3 days of a vacation, so I can rest.
I have lived my whole life in Brampton. I know the approximate area you visited … I HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS CRASH! Pearson Airport is just a part of life here; the highway that is parallel to some runways, the 401, is also a part of life, as are plane sightings and jet noise. Thanks for sharing this history and for visiting my city!
Amazingly, this wasn't the first crash in the current borders of Brampton! A Trans-Canada Air Lines (the English name of Air Canada before 1965) Super Constellation crashed on December 17, 1954 in what is now northwest Brampton. The crash site is just west of Brisdale, south of McCrimmon. Everyone lived from that accident despite the heavy impact. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing that indicates that a plane crashed around there!
I grew up in Brampton too and only first heard about it when I saw on the news about them building the memorial garden. I kind of wish I'd visited it when I still lived there.
@@Andrea-sg7qp This happened at Castlemore and McVean Rd. Back then it was Bramalea. My dad ran Mayfield Complex which was just a few blocks further North. We lived near Balmoral and Braemar, so the plane would have gone right over our area. We were flying home from Vancouver on a DC8 the same day and our flight was delayed for 8 hours. They used Woodbridge Arena as a morgue if I remember correctly. Very sad day. So many years ago but still seems like not that long. RIP to all the victims and Condolences to the loved ones.
Your perfectionism is what sets you apart from so many other aviation channels, and this video really shows your attention to detail. Fantastic work yet again.
I’ve always wanted to know about this crash thank you Chloe!
I have wanted to make a video about this for a long time. Finally it is here
What an excellent video. Thank you for taking the great care to make it & following up with corrections. You seem to care deeply about this topic, which shines through. Gladly have my sub, like & comment🤩
This is incredibly well done. Every detail, from the operation of the spoilers to explanation of the pilots' remarks to each other, was very clearly explained. This is top quality content. Subscribed!