This was a great opportunity vs RX 6700 10GB as they share very similar specs and performance. both that card 6600 are 4 years old and we are celebrating this? wtf
It's very funny when you compare prices in US and in Europe, if a B580 is 250$ it should be about 240€ but it is selling for 400€, but rx6600 you can find for 220€
@@user-bj1mp2rb4j where exactly in the video have you seen the 6600 consume less power than the 570? Also how is it intel's fault that retailers are jacking up the prices?
Yeah, from my experience shopping in places other than the US is a completely different conversation and it's really hard to make the conversion when pricing is such a key part in how good a GPU is.
@notskidamarink not even that, good luck even trying to get those prices lol i was looking to upgrade by new budget rig (wife's pc now) gpu prices fluctuate every week and stock is non existent
Well. AMD started acting like Nvidia, so Intel started acting like AMD, the simple formula is to make more sense, and since AMD lost it sense, Intel decided to be the one with common sense.
Amd is to busy copying nvidia to care about it's fan base meanwhile, Let's sale this here rx 9070xt at a premium price point with vram speeds and quality of a gpu from 4 years ago make slight changes to silicone re used for the 3rd generation in a row
@@jasonvors1922the 9070 is going to be priced around 550 which is exceptionally cheaper than nvidia counterparts considering the 7090 xt has the same performance as the 4080 super
21:45 Blue PCB (or green or red, but especially green) is actually better for the eyes when working on it. It requires less light (than a black PCB) and you can actually tell when a component was fried and darkened the surrounding PCB area, whereas with a black PCB you can't tell that well (it's often brown-ish and brown on black is not immediately noticeable at a glance). So in the long run, a blue PCB is actually more maintainable, from an electronics perspective. It produces less e-waste (in theory). I wish they brought back green PCBs. Green is the most visible (to our human eyes). You can really tell when a connector is interrupted or a component is toast. And it looks cool af.
AMD destroyed Intel in CPUs while Intel was working on cheap GPUs. Now Intel destroyed AMD in chep GPUs while AMD was working on CPUs. Nvidia in the meantime discovered fake frames generators.
Man you can find a decent enough 1080p panel somewhere for close to nothing. Tons of businesses tend to just hock them at some point. The last place I worked at had like 10 they were going to throw away I took all of them and sold them to people for $10 bucks if not just giving them it. Hell if you lived near me id literally give you one I have doing nothing currently.
Remember the b570 is almost half the price of the Nvidia card. So even if the 4060 outperforms the b570 by a couple percent, as yourself if it's worth almost double the price for the card
@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629 not even in the USA. You can't find a b580 for under $320 if you can find one. 4060 and b570 will be very similarly priced. Vex really showed only the most positive things about the b570. It was clearly biased to sell the GPU and was not honest with all of the information that we know he has. Such a disappointment actually.
The B580 is a budget GPU IF you have a high tier cpu. We are a fortunate family that got hold of a B580 at release. The B580 was NOT performing correctly regarding the specs, on our son's pc. His pc is a Ryzen 3600 cpu and even budget gamers wont be using something this old in most cases. I put the B580 in my rig with a 7800x3d. The performance gains were 12-20% just in the 3 games our son plays. That is unacceptable. The drivers need some serious attention and this might be addressed. But I would not recommend any budget gamer buy these hoping for future promises. Gaming devs do that and those games never deliver. What is the purpose of buying a budget GPU if it only performs if you have mid - high tier components? Yes we needed an alternative budget GPU, now we need it to perform with budget gear. We were able to sell our 3 week old B580 at an actual profit and replaced it with a used RX6750xt. It actually does what it says. Edit: I do not have a ryzen 7600 and it is a low tier cpu- the B580 could work better with it. This was pointed out by a poster that may or may not have multiple cpu tiers to try this. I will change low tier/entry level cpus to older. This thing does not play at anywhere near it's peak on older cpus. By the time the drivers are out to rectify this, it will be an old gpu just like Arc that now work better, several years later. If you have new low tier/entry level AM5/Intel cpus, this may work okay. You still are not buying this gpu if you have upgraded chipsets. Back to real budget gaming, this is not for era restricted budget gamers.
“but I would not recommend any budget gamer buy these hoping for future promises. Gaming devs do that and those games never deliver” Ya do realize Intel been ironing out and polishing drivers since the 1st gen of Intel Arc right? Why place doubts when this is obviously their only shot at still being in the competition and they actually do give a care about their GPU here
The thing I find interesting is the power draw. Intel could probably make a B560 with the same chip but give it a TDP of 70-75W, as well as a no power connector low profile design. Imagine a low profile card at ~$220 with enough performance to actually run games well
exactly, even in these comparisons above, b570 draws 90watts or lower while rest other cards draw 115-125 watts. b 570 while being cheaper and performing equally well or better.
Showing the names of the cards in red for AMD, blue for Intel and green for Nvidia was a good idea. Well done! But you shouldn't have switched places with the cards, like at 9:16. The blue card should have stayed on the right. Just my honest opinion. Cheers.
I get u, I position them typically based on price so that is why the position changes. I will also try to put the one on the right that is faster so it makes more sense when comparing %%%%
Definitely put some respect on Intel's name (lol you don't hear that every day), AMD and NVIDIA stalled in value, but Intel's consistency in pricing from the Alchemist GPUs to Battlemage is admirable too. No company's worth blind loyalism, but Intel definitely made some good moves this generation.
People been trashing on their meteor lake chips too but it's by far better than the z1 extreme lmao. All those benchmark videos that are like 30% the performance of mine cause I actually did some bios tweaks instead of half assing a review and moaning about how you shouldn't have to tweak things when the whole idea of PC gaming is 'tweaking' lmao. Reminds me of how quickly peoples second face shows itself when they can hide behind computer screens with a group of similar dullards.
No respect. Vex is clearly biased and selling this GPU for Intel. You got duped. The Intel GPU is expensive as the other gpus and is not faster and has a ton of problem. It's not worth buying 100%. Literally a 6750 XT wins in every game and cost the same and I am in the US! Such a bs video.
@@christophermullins7163 Is every other benchmark, many from people who strongly criticized the A series and intel's cpus, also lies? I have yet to see a benchmark with the b580 losing against similarly priced gpus.
@@albertfanmingo on Amazon it is the same price as 6750xt and 7600xt. One is much faster with driver that have been optimized for 4 years with a reputable company. the other is similar performance with 16gb. "$250" is literally a lie. In gamers Nexus review he says that he does not test the games and in the way to show the CPU problems and yet the b580 b570 STILL had games where it was much lower performance and or trash lows. Go watch a review using the exact CPU in the exact games you play before buying.. and when you buy.. find it at $250. Good luck
7:15 Just weird lineups. The RX 7000 series starts at the RX 7600 8GB for $250. RTX 4000 series starts at the RTX 4060 8GB for $300 maybe $290. The 3050 cards lose to the RX 6600. RTX 3060 12GB for $290 isn't too bad though.
It's pretty bad. The 3060 is slower than or matches the 6600 last time I checked. Sure, it has 12gb, but if it's so slow it can't run anything, it's better to get a card strictly for 1080p at 8gb for 100 dollars less, or go up by 20 dollars and get the 6700xt, which is in another price class
nvidia is x10 better on productivity/content creation/ai/streaming... thanks to cuda and tensor cores.. almost all known major 3d plugin and 3 rendering engines are based on cuda and nvec. it makes amd's dinosaur age encoder eating dust.. not sure with intel though, they're still young, like new kids on the block, and lets wait for developers to adapt to their platform over time.
Intel. AMD dropped the ball on blender for years now and instead of actually providing a better API to make use of their raytracing capabilities fot cycles, they just shat out a new render engine. Intel has been good with video encoding for a while now, so far that iirc you can use the integrated graphics in intel cpus to encode videos in Premiere faster.
Intel caught up.. in the US for 220/250$ while being irrelevant here in the EU for 280/330€. And when there is something in stock, scalpers just buy instantly and then sell it for 400+.
here in sweden it's like €300 for the B570, and €312.5 for the B580. Crazy how overpriced the B570 is here. Anyways, the american prices don't account for VAT, european do. The B580's €312.5 price is msrp, given that you account for VAT, and ignore the fact that the euro is worth more than the dollar
What scalpers? They are available aplenty here. No one is buying them. Scalpers arent interested in these budget cards. At least here in Germany they arent.
@@GM-xk1nw what… how much you know or don’t know about gpus has nothing to do with what I’m saying. These comments read like NBA fans smack talking other teams and it’s just so bizarre to me.
You also have to keep in mind that a sizable portion of his audience is from the uk. Over there, even though the performance is comparable the price is not. It might just be because it's new but the Intel cards are more expensive than the 4060
would you mind on testing the b580 and b570 again but with a lower tier AM4 cpu like an ryzen 5500 or 5600? I heard you get some big performance loss on these cards not to mention that not everyone willing to get a b580 / b570 have a 7800x3d or even a 5700x3d
Gamer's Nexus did some benchmarks and found that using a low end cpu has basically no effect on preformance with these cards. Either this is misinfo or it only applies to old cpus that are no longer being sold.
5:33 Ayo! Why you use TAA instead of TSR, Vex? TAA performed worse and blurrier than its best alternative TSR. I can't fathom why almost no one talks about how good TSR is from TAA. (Edit: I already said that before and anyone used TSR but still)
Can we please stop using "destroy" to describe marginal improvements? I love you content, but 10% difference does not equal to "destroy" nvidia card, and its weird that in Alan Wake 2 nvidia is "just" 16% faster...
Pretty sure he's using destroy not only because of the performance improvement, but also because the 4060 is like 40% more expensive so value wise it definitely destroys it
@johnlier4456No, no plain no. Not everything that is marginally better destroys the competition, not every little change is a game changer, not everything that is just good has to be epic. Is it better? Yes, so lets keep I that way. If you think only in absolutes and there is no middle ground or so called grey area, then how do you the difference? There is good, better, best for a reason, not epic, epic, epic. Bad, worse, worst, not destroyed, destroyed, destroyed
@@sneikiusas it's about 50% more performance per dollar if that's not destroying the competition I don't know what you are expecting. Besides nobody is gonna click on a video saying in the title that it beats something slightly, reviewers will always make the results worse or better to make it more extreme to get views so even if you don't want the terms to be used these people will have to so their videos get more views.
@@sneikiusas 2 extra gigs of vram and almost same performance and faster in a lot of games while 40% cheaper seems like destroying to me... though this card is hard to get in most of the world so it wont mean much.
Fake and misleading reviews all over internet for arc b580 and b570. Please review those video cards with budget CPU like Ryzen 3600 or 5600 and the intel equivalents. People with budget CPU will buy this card, people with high end CPU will buy Nvidia 5070. At the moment GeForce 4060 is the better and the solid choice for the budget CPU
nice video, that "lower end" problem is for sure an issue, for guys who wanted upgrade there old 1660 super or lower, system. do u think that an r5 7500f would have that impact too? i mean... those x3d chips are not sooo many builds... ive checked my data and i sold roughly 10 pcs in the last 3 years with an x3d cpu out of rounded 500 pcs. ive tried to push ryzen 7000 series as far as i can go, depending on the budgets but most ppl bought an r5 5600 pc. and its sad, that those ppl could not benefit of the intel cards. r5 5600 b580 32gb ddr4 sounds like an amazin budget 1440p pc in theory.
Why compare with 3 years old card and smack that card. I would still rate 6600 higher than this. Except that extra vram, what does it bring to the table that 6600 doesn't even being 3 years older.
Do you think intel will come out with a more mid range gpu? B780 etc.. id be extremely interested to see how they conpare with the bew line from amd and nvidia
No… B580 is middle range gpu that just hapens to be too slow to compete with middle range. In perfect world… B580 would cost about the same as 5070 and be allmost as fast… it is not a perfect world… B580 is same size as 5070 so also as expensive to produce. Intel does not want to bleed more money by pringing highend GPU to sold at middle range price! One gpu chip is enough to develop drivers and develop the next generation unless Intel deside to kill their gpu department… again and stop bleeding money…
honestly, just benchmarking. but been playing thru cyberpunk whenever I can. Love me so some risk of rain and I might start playing Rivals more casually
@@vextakesOfftopic but like other comment about said to you about 11:11, your CPU is bottlenecking that's why neither of these 2 GPUs are hitting 100%. So what other CPU you're using, Vex? Because it looks like you didn't use Ryzen 7 9800X3D yet in benchmarking these games tho-
Fantastic work, Vex! Everything was so clear and helpful. I don't know if you hired an editor or did all this work yourself, but it was an excellent video. Bravo!
Everyone says that Intel is good in tests, because all tests with high-end processors, but with budget Intel processors show worse results compared to analogues. Hm interesting, idk is that true or not.
Yes ! And they keep avoiding that because intel paid them to ignore it ! But what kind of gamer that will bought b570,b580? Yes the poor broke guy Do you think the poor guy can afford 7800x3d or 9800x3d? Lol of course not A cpu more expensive than gpu 😂 , But they gonna use : 12400f, 13400f, 5600, 5600x, 7500f , i3 12100f , 13100f , With all of those b570, b580 will lost 30% and more performance
@jasonvors1922 I saw it It's much less than 7800x3d So what the point of low/mid range gpu can't give 100% with low/mid range cpu's? Intel failed not only with this but with the prices! People happy and act It's selling at msrp but the real prices more higher than the rtx 4060 and even higher than the rx 7600xt with 16gb of vram!
@@jasonvors1922It is limited even by this 7800x3d in space marine 2, not to mention ryzen 5600 and i5 12400... I can hit locked 60fps with even ryzen 5500 after PBO and good ram... With Intel GPU I would probably struggle to hit 30fps.
@@GameRTmaster I'm sure that 5000 series will do fine, specially because gamer nexus tested with the 5600x, it is just something to worry about with 3000 series and older and maybe Intel 10 series and older.
gamers nexus tested this card with the 5600, 12400 and 9800x3d and in most games there wasn't any difference between this 3 CPUs on 1080p (or 3-5% more difference in the some game) ig it was a drives issue and they fixed it
Sometimes even 60%. I can not belive He uploaded video without changes after all of it... Even his 7800x3d is messed up in space marine 2 due to Intel drivers.
@Mkkhg1 gamers nexus test 90% of it gpu bound, That's the problem We will face many cpu bound games and also some people play at normal settings not ultra and don't forget the competitive games too That's why gamers nexus review look like not honest for me
@zbigniew2628 That's the point And why the 7800x3d It's a budget gpu so use a budget cpu like the 95% of people Not pair it with the second strongest cpu in the world, Look vex 100% having contract with Intel They called him out before in X also they sent him many gpus and early drivers tests from what I remember, So I think they told him to not say the downsides
You talk about future proofing with that extra VRAM, but, um, it's kind of struggling with the games that came out years ago. Future proofing would be worth something if it ran CP2077 on high 1440p at 100+ FPS right now.
Dude it's a $220 GPU. If you are a budget gamer it can somewhat save you for some time but you can't expect 4080 levels of future proofing from a budget Gpu.
Given the B570 Die is almost twice the size of a 4060, Intel didn't catch up, they just brute forced a failed mid range chip to a budget card. They still don't deliver any meaningful supply of the B580 because they can't afford to sell them at the MSRP. Just a big marketing stunt to get positive reviews for an unrealistic price.
This is what Intel doing recently. Just force everything to its limit. I'm a big fan of its CPU back in the days, but now it really let me down. Compute speed, size, power usage, temperature... at least one of these spec are much worse than its opponents, while others are kind just ok. I hope they can be back on track one day.
The RTX 4060 has a BOM cost around $180-200 with Nvidia's big economy of scale. A B570 with its much larger die and more memory would be around $220-$240 or even more considering Intels very small scale of production.
Nvidia overprice is ~300% - even if Nvidia cut cost of 4060 2.5 times - they would still make money. (same as amd witth their 7600) This intel e-waste - they probably still making some money just because how cheap it is to print electronics in general.
Be happy someone is willing to sell you an affordable and somewhat decent e-waste instead of straight up ignoring you, because you don’t have a band to drop on a GPU.
If you wanna measure latency in the future, especially as frame gen starts to maybe enter into the discussion more often, I'd recommend using intel presentmon and using the click to photon graph. It's not AS robust and accurate as hardware solutions, but it'll get a ballpark figure.
It is definitely there... I play space marines 2 in 4k with dlss and optimised settings, while having 60fps with rtx3070... And Ryzen 5500 with good ram and tweaked windows allows for it. If it cannot hit 60fps with some CPU, then it is not going to magically hit it in 1440p.
@@zbigniew2628 Ryzen 5500 is half the i5-12600k for $130 that I consider is the lowest well performing CPU pairing. Ryzen 5500 with 6 cores and 12 threads what do you expect? Miracles?
@@789uio6y around 50 fps in 1440p medium, without upscaling with 5600x cpu. If you have a better cpu, it will be better at 1080p high. Or you could use XESS. 4060 has a similar performance at same settings without dlss [around 45].
THANK YOU for explaining what each of those numbers in the overlay actually mean ! They always show us this thing like we all supposed to magically understand ..
As always great content! Like your way of explaining things and listen to the technical details. Your calm voice makes it really enjoyable! Keep it up and see you next time! Greetings Andreas
Use an older CPU like an AMD 3600 or older and you will see how weak the Intel card is. People who will buy these cards do not have 7800X3d's. They pulled a dirty trick !!
Who cares? Both amd/nvidia have been milking their fan bases dry for years and it shows. Gpu stagnation prices sky high inflation? Nah pure greed ? Yes
Only in some games! So if your games are not very CPU intensive b570 and b580 are an option! If you are mainly playing multi player shooters… consider something else. Also if you play very old dx9 games… chose something else. You have to consider your gaming habits, local prising and make desision based on that. The driver overhead is not a problem in most games! But if you mainly play those games… it is a problem.
gamers nexus tested the b570 with the 5600, 12400 and 9800x3d and in most games there wasn't any difference between this 3 CPUs on 1080p (or 3-5% more difference in the some game)
is there a way to set the audiotrack always to the original one? Its so ennoying to always get this crappy german audio ai track. video sounds like 1000 times better without ai but with real voice. lol
Using about as much silicon as a 4070 just to catch up with the 4060 - and years later - means they HAVEN'T caught up and are in fact far behind. TH-camrs are hyping Intel discrete uncritically almost entirely for the narrative. 🙄
I don't think that the engineers and electronic designers need that much pay but I doubt that it is even going to them. Anyways, if I want a lot of pay I guess I know what to study for.
@lukiValentIf Intel could've solved this issue with just money, they probably would have. Their graphics division overall just isn't nearly as good as Nvidia or Radeon at raster hardware.
@ they do have money, albeit most of it now invested on AI, leaving pretty much comparably small amounts of money for the other departments. Sure, they do have millions of dollars, but the millons of dollars are somewhere else.
I'd consider this as intel's rtx 3060, both have nearly the same die size, almost the same amounts of vram, and same price range. Only difference being that one is new and has less well rounded drivers, and the other is older, slower, but cheaper and easier to get (used or new in a third world country like the one i live in), along with decent drivers. (however since the 3060 is old, it works better with older stuff unlike this)
Prices I see in the EU: RX 6600 = 204 euros RTX 3060 = 260 euros RTX 4060 = 280 euros ARC B570 = 275 euros ARC B580 = 315 euros Maybe ARC has more horsepower, but the prices are too high. If they want more buyers, they need to offer more for less rather than adopting a 'we are premium' mindset with luxury packaging + limiting availability and expecting gamers to pick ARC over RTX. Personally, I don't trust Intel GPUs and expect various software issues when using them.
@mcflapp Mistake with RX 6600-the cheapest I see is 204 euros (corrected). But anyway, the B570 is faster than the RX 6600, yet it also costs much more. ARC B570 at 200-220 euros would be a good price, but I don't feel like paying close to 300 for it.
@@anonymousgaming5725 that's fair but the performance difference between the b570 and b580 is not worth the 30 dollar reduction. you're better off waiting a week so you can afford the 580
You can tell it's memory bandwidth and not memory quantity by looking at how much memory it's using. It shows that clearly in your video. But even then there's more at play. How quickly you process the stuff you have in memory dictates how long it needs to stay in memory. If you are finished with the data that you need to process the frame you can deallocate that memory thus freeing that memory up.
The new card does look nice for its price, but due to the high demand and low supply the prices for intel’s new GPU easily hits $450s. And I’m in the U.S, idk if the price will go down in time once the supply shortage is resolved.
Especially with the crap driver overhead Intel GPUs are terrible for older budget system and it’s pointless to buy them for a good system to bottleneck it with the card.
at 10:55 he also mentions intel cards not being fully used in Indiana Jones due to a bug, and you look to the right and the 4060 isnt fully used either lol
Hardware un-boxed stated the the B580 doesn't work well with r5 3600 - 5600 cpu or Intel of same class. Does the B570 have the same issues? DDR5 and PCIe 5 are not budget platforms. And 7800x3d - 9800x3d are budget CPUs.
you forgot - VR VR dont even work on intel GPUs (yes something like 4060 is more than enough for VR which stuck in 2020 system recomendation - everything will fly on max on 4060 include HL:Alyx) same as Intel gpu drivers in Linux - they wont work in 95% of games and there no raytracing implemented (for all this time) same as playing game+streaming/video recording - hardware video ecncoding - it was unusable on Arc A-series - everything lags and stutters - idk if it even work on these new intel cards - no one tested it
@@oopdigdigfig9786It is more like ~300$ for rtx4060... While you do not need to upgrade a CPU to keep 60fps performance. Testing intel with drivers which limits even 7800x3d in space marine 2 is a joke without comparison to Ryzen 5600 and i5 12400f. The last of us 2 port was made by the same company, which made Arkham Knight port. You do not need 8gb Vram that much, just optimisations are bad and max textures are not always worth it, like in Horizon Forbidden West. And even good for me, that I am not interested in most new games, even HFW, TLOU2 and remake, Spidermans, ubi, EA, Aci&Blizzard games and whatever.
Oh and to be clear... Corporations are not our friend, so there is no point in playing it nice for some of them. intel, AMD, Nvidia are going to mess a lot in pathetic ways, so just pick what suits you better, but without making it look better than it is. Probably the best option is to buy used ones, especially Nvidia and update DLSS to 4.0 in games.
Ohh, I normally don't care about overclocking at all, but I'd love to see a video about the increase in performance on the intel cards...I'd like to know if the 570 can get close to the stock 580 if it's overclocked and to know how much more you can get out of the 580 as well.
You cannot get basically any better than the 7800x3d. Also it's possible for core 7 or 8 to simply not have significant demand while everything else it pegged at 100%. A 9800x3d would not have significantly changed these results. You'd be crazy to pair a GPU this cheap with a CPU/Mobo setup that expensive anyways.
*On a newer CPU. Sure if you blow out the 8GB VRAM its gonna choke. The 4060 sux because its a 4050 realname. We are on the worst timeline, so the price of the B580 will increase 🫤
Man, i can't believe 1440p is still relevant. I remember people playing 1440p with 660ti. Amds r9 285 was advertised as a 1440p card back in 2014. Nearly 11 years ago
The 16.0 frame time is happening across all the 6xxx. RDR2 gets 4ms-8ms every few driver releases. Then back to 16ms. Been happening ever sense the 7800xt launched in Sept. of 2023.
When it comes to the lower performance on older CPUs, a lot of us have older GPUs, and not a lot of options at this price range...so I'd also need to see how the 6600 and other cards in the 200-260ish range actually do with those same older CPUs...I know it would be an upgrade over my 1650 Super either way, and I'd also like to upgrade my CPU, but it would still be on AM4...so I'd like to know if it would be a waste to get the Intel cards vs just a 6600 or 7600...hell, maybe wait and see what the 9060 looks like since most games I currently play run fine on my current GPU since I obviously can't buy ones that can't run on it...
For me the 4060 works, I didn't have to upgrade my power supply or anything else in my old PC - It also has some benefits like the DLSS and all that :) - For me the 300 euro's was worth it for sure. I can play Ghost of Thushima and Wukong on the highest settings with frame gen and get great fps Edit: I'm using it with a 3600 Ryzen CPU in a prebuilt PC from a few years ago
@@nostrum6410 not really 50%, more like 10% avarage, taking into account that some games even do better with the intel gpu. This is just a random number I made up but I don’t think the 4060 is 50% more powerful Edit: i am dumb, the cpu overhead issue is massive. Nevermind everything I said lol
XeSS on native Intel XMX is as close to DLSS as you can get. Much better than FSR. For framegen, it supports FSR 3 FG, since it is an open standart after all, and, unlike the upscaler part, in terms of quality it is long known to be good enough to actually compete with DLSS FG. Or just use Lossless Scaling for MFG.
Xess for DLSS replacement, no FG as far as i'm aware. its a bit worse than FSR and a lot worse than DLSS. and no, enrico is wrong here. i have not seen a place where FSR looks and performs worse than Xess, unless they used 77% fsr and 65% Xess, making image quality even worse and performance around the same.
Upgraded from a 970 to a B580 for 300 euros recently. Happy with the deal I got. Looking at this video, the GPUs seem roughly equally good in terms price-performance ratio.
Your video would be a hell of a lot easier to follow if you kept the Intel card on one side and the competition on the other side. You keep switching which side of the screen the Intel card is on.
Intel is in a really good spot right now when it comes to GPUs. Yes, the new generation for both Nvidia and AMD is about to launch and it's probably going to be ahead quite a bit in the same price range. But those lower end cards are like at least half a year away during which Intel gets to sell their great low budget cards, gain market share and mindshare. I really hope they keep going the way they've been so far. I currently have two systems with an Arc card (A770 and B580) and I totally plan to keep supporting Arc. I decided last generation that I'd be collecing Arc Limited Edition cards if Battlemage continued the positive trajectory they've been showing during their first generation so now I'm all in. Even considering whether I should collect Sparkle cards for the ones that don't have an LE version but looking at how much they cost compared to ASRock ones, and how ugly ASRock's Arc cards are, I'm not there yet xD
This gpu is not even launched in my country and i assure it will be absurdly priced in my country looking at the intel arc gpu here, still rtx 4060 is better choice here
Most gamers on this budget range is probably running on an i5 , R5 5600 or even lower. You should test this card on those type of cpu as these battlemage cards are a bit cpu sensitive.
I dont understand why you compare a brand new Intel card with a AMD card from 1 generation ago released in 2021. There are like almost 4 years betwen this cards. And you wonder why it is performing better?
@usul573 Like many others say, that's only for the US market. For the most other countries Intel's card ist about a 400€ price range, and a RX7600 is 270€. Edit: Sorry, did a quick research and the B570 is about 300€. But the 7600 is still a way better deal.
good luck getting one lol
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Heh, I got the B580 without a real PC yet :^
This was a great opportunity vs RX 6700 10GB as they share very similar specs and performance. both that card 6600 are 4 years old and we are celebrating this? wtf
intel made budget cards but its not for budget cpus
MSRP doesn't matter if no one has them in stock. I want a b580 but it's close to $400
Here's the downside, in Malaysia where i live, the B580 is around the price of a 4070/7800. The B570 won't be worth it at all compared to the 4060.
In new zealand where i live, the B580 costs like 6 dollars less than a 4060 😭
@@Coconut-kunbut it's better.
@@colossaloverlord2678depends on the game and what cpu you pair it with. Don't forget about the overhead issues it has...
Same in Romania, intel gpus are more expensive than nvidia gpus
Really? here in Indonesia the B580 is at the same price as the RTX 4060!.
It's very funny when you compare prices in US and in Europe, if a B580 is 250$ it should be about 240€ but it is selling for 400€, but rx6600 you can find for 220€
Exactly. The rx6600 doesn't have any requirements and runs at 100W on top of that.Comparing to a 2021 card, the intel card is a joke.
@@user-bj1mp2rb4j where exactly in the video have you seen the 6600 consume less power than the 570? Also how is it intel's fault that retailers are jacking up the prices?
australia is the opposite. hardly any AMD cards and tons of B series for super cheap.
Local prising… that is all that matter in reality!
Yeah, from my experience shopping in places other than the US is a completely different conversation and it's really hard to make the conversion when pricing is such a key part in how good a GPU is.
Amazon UK pricing:
B580: £320 = $390
B570: £280 = $350
4060: £250 = $312
7600: £240 = $300
Intel isn't even an option over here.
Why does the uk get such bad pricing?
@notskidamarinkMost places have shtty pricing
@notskidamarink Americans will probably get the bigger supply % and the import taxes are ridiculous here.
@notskidamarink not even that, good luck even trying to get those prices lol i was looking to upgrade by new budget rig (wife's pc now) gpu prices fluctuate every week and stock is non existent
@@reheyesd8666 I can't figure out the logic of putting import tax on things you don't even produce.
Well. AMD started acting like Nvidia, so Intel started acting like AMD, the simple formula is to make more sense, and since AMD lost it sense, Intel decided to be the one with common sense.
Amd is to busy copying nvidia to care about it's fan base meanwhile, Let's sale this here rx 9070xt at a premium price point with vram speeds and quality of a gpu from 4 years ago make slight changes to silicone re used for the 3rd generation in a row
@if AMD prices the 9070 xt anywhere near the 5070 ti then they deserve to be bankrupt 😂
@@haroldasusus4684 AMD will not go bankrupt over their GPUs. They have the first and second best CPUs on the market.
@ I didn’t say they would just that they deserve due to incompetence in their gpu division.
@@jasonvors1922the 9070 is going to be priced around 550 which is exceptionally cheaper than nvidia counterparts considering the 7090 xt has the same performance as the 4080 super
the bar is so low at this point that you can make a better budget GPU in your garage 💀
?
On minecraft 💀
Just don’t let the Chinese kid leave your basement and see sun light and you’ll have anew card built in no time!
@@rahinhuq1608 you are weird
whats funny is some guy literally built his own gpu from scratch in his basement 💀
This is why competition is so important, If there is no reason to improve hardware it gets stale and boring.
21:45 Blue PCB (or green or red, but especially green) is actually better for the eyes when working on it. It requires less light (than a black PCB) and you can actually tell when a component was fried and darkened the surrounding PCB area, whereas with a black PCB you can't tell that well (it's often brown-ish and brown on black is not immediately noticeable at a glance). So in the long run, a blue PCB is actually more maintainable, from an electronics perspective. It produces less e-waste (in theory).
I wish they brought back green PCBs. Green is the most visible (to our human eyes). You can really tell when a connector is interrupted or a component is toast. And it looks cool af.
Yeah but most downside: Looks ass.
@@proudyy really, who cares, unless you're a clown with a window case ?
@@proudyyI think it has a nice classic look to it.
blue pcb is cool, and should be used if it matches the looks of card, but grown... hell nah
@@ethancampbell2422 Buddy just spoke to millions of people 😂
AMD destroyed Intel in CPUs while Intel was working on cheap GPUs. Now Intel destroyed AMD in chep GPUs while AMD was working on CPUs. Nvidia in the meantime discovered fake frames generators.
and Nvidia also works on ARM CPUs
@@ProtectusCZ And a low end nvidia arm pc will be way over priced
7700xt destroys b580 for a very similar price
@@jasonvors1922 the nintendo switch lmao.
@@ProtectusCZ competition 🍻
4:03 "i know a lot of you guys have 1440p monitors"
me with a 1360x768 monitor:
Man you can find a decent enough 1080p panel somewhere for close to nothing. Tons of businesses tend to just hock them at some point. The last place I worked at had like 10 they were going to throw away I took all of them and sold them to people for $10 bucks if not just giving them it. Hell if you lived near me id literally give you one I have doing nothing currently.
Samsung monitors 💀
@lopserdff ? What's wrong with them
@lopserdff wrong i have lg
@@jir_UwU uhh okay?
@1:58 Thank you for actually explaining all that gibberish that I always see creators casually expecting us to fully comprehend.
yeah its so bs
I just installed a B580 in my PC! Got it at Microcenter for $260!
gg
Neat
nice!
Love Microcenter
should have gotten used 2080ti
Remember the b570 is almost half the price of the Nvidia card. So even if the 4060 outperforms the b570 by a couple percent, as yourself if it's worth almost double the price for the card
In the USA
Nvidea drivers and feature sets are well worth it over what intel offers. Id keep my AMD card over either tbh
Yeah except that's most likely exclusive to the US. In my country, as with pretty much everywhere else in Europe, you can get a 4060 for cheaper.
@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629 not even in the USA. You can't find a b580 for under $320 if you can find one. 4060 and b570 will be very similarly priced. Vex really showed only the most positive things about the b570. It was clearly biased to sell the GPU and was not honest with all of the information that we know he has. Such a disappointment actually.
@@christophermullins7163 in my country it is not even available, so yeah
The B580 is a budget GPU IF you have a high tier cpu. We are a fortunate family that got hold of a B580 at release. The B580 was NOT performing correctly regarding the specs, on our son's pc. His pc is a Ryzen 3600 cpu and even budget gamers wont be using something this old in most cases. I put the B580 in my rig with a 7800x3d. The performance gains were 12-20% just in the 3 games our son plays. That is unacceptable. The drivers need some serious attention and this might be addressed. But I would not recommend any budget gamer buy these hoping for future promises. Gaming devs do that and those games never deliver.
What is the purpose of buying a budget GPU if it only performs if you have mid - high tier components? Yes we needed an alternative budget GPU, now we need it to perform with budget gear.
We were able to sell our 3 week old B580 at an actual profit and replaced it with a used RX6750xt. It actually does what it says.
Edit: I do not have a ryzen 7600 and it is a low tier cpu- the B580 could work better with it. This was pointed out by a poster that may or may not have multiple cpu tiers to try this. I will change low tier/entry level cpus to older. This thing does not play at anywhere near it's peak on older cpus.
By the time the drivers are out to rectify this, it will be an old gpu just like Arc that now work better, several years later. If you have new low tier/entry level AM5/Intel cpus, this may work okay. You still are not buying this gpu if you have upgraded chipsets. Back to real budget gaming, this is not for era restricted budget gamers.
yeah because its around 4060ti performance, try pairing a 4060ti with a 3600 without a bottleneck
R5 7600 has no problems with Battlemage cards and 7600 is not a high-tier cpu.
“but I would not recommend any budget gamer buy these hoping for future promises. Gaming devs do that and those games never deliver”
Ya do realize Intel been ironing out and polishing drivers since the 1st gen of Intel Arc right? Why place doubts when this is obviously their only shot at still being in the competition and they actually do give a care about their GPU here
I think you just need a modern Intel chip, the low end AMD chips suck hard on it. Just go with a budget i5 like 12400f
Was rebar turned on the arc GPU run on rebar.
The thing I find interesting is the power draw. Intel could probably make a B560 with the same chip but give it a TDP of 70-75W, as well as a no power connector low profile design.
Imagine a low profile card at ~$220 with enough performance to actually run games well
exactly, even in these comparisons above, b570 draws 90watts or lower while rest other cards draw 115-125 watts. b 570 while being cheaper and performing equally well or better.
@@genericgoat they certainly would not make money on that
Well intel aren't the most effecient cpus and gpus
@@ps6984no, it draws around 130-140 watts, not 90.
Showing the names of the cards in red for AMD, blue for Intel and green for Nvidia was a good idea. Well done!
But you shouldn't have switched places with the cards, like at 9:16. The blue card should have stayed on the right. Just my honest opinion. Cheers.
I get u, I position them typically based on price so that is why the position changes. I will also try to put the one on the right that is faster so it makes more sense when comparing %%%%
Definitely put some respect on Intel's name (lol you don't hear that every day), AMD and NVIDIA stalled in value, but Intel's consistency in pricing from the Alchemist GPUs to Battlemage is admirable too. No company's worth blind loyalism, but Intel definitely made some good moves this generation.
People been trashing on their meteor lake chips too but it's by far better than the z1 extreme lmao. All those benchmark videos that are like 30% the performance of mine cause I actually did some bios tweaks instead of half assing a review and moaning about how you shouldn't have to tweak things when the whole idea of PC gaming is 'tweaking' lmao. Reminds me of how quickly peoples second face shows itself when they can hide behind computer screens with a group of similar dullards.
No respect. Vex is clearly biased and selling this GPU for Intel. You got duped. The Intel GPU is expensive as the other gpus and is not faster and has a ton of problem. It's not worth buying 100%. Literally a 6750 XT wins in every game and cost the same and I am in the US! Such a bs video.
@@christophermullins7163 No respect? It is a great value budget card made in 2025 with new features and better rt
@@christophermullins7163 Is every other benchmark, many from people who strongly criticized the A series and intel's cpus, also lies? I have yet to see a benchmark with the b580 losing against similarly priced gpus.
@@albertfanmingo on Amazon it is the same price as 6750xt and 7600xt. One is much faster with driver that have been optimized for 4 years with a reputable company. the other is similar performance with 16gb. "$250" is literally a lie.
In gamers Nexus review he says that he does not test the games and in the way to show the CPU problems and yet the b580 b570 STILL had games where it was much lower performance and or trash lows. Go watch a review using the exact CPU in the exact games you play before buying.. and when you buy.. find it at $250. Good luck
Please keep in mind we are comparing a 2025 card to a 2021 product. Newer tech tends to be better.
And new intel struggles against the 12 series
A 2021 card competing with a 2025 card is honestly wild
@@pagman2356 4090 being a 2022 card and having no competition for years
B570 using a GPU that's as big as the one in 4070 TI..that Will be considered last generation less than two weeks now.
Barely. I've upgraded a 1060 to a 3070 and it was only slightly better. It's not that much better. Especially in the case of a GPU.
7:15 Just weird lineups. The RX 7000 series starts at the RX 7600 8GB for $250. RTX 4000 series starts at the RTX 4060 8GB for $300 maybe $290. The 3050 cards lose to the RX 6600. RTX 3060 12GB for $290 isn't too bad though.
It's pretty bad. The 3060 is slower than or matches the 6600 last time I checked. Sure, it has 12gb, but if it's so slow it can't run anything, it's better to get a card strictly for 1080p at 8gb for 100 dollars less, or go up by 20 dollars and get the 6700xt, which is in another price class
@@tumultoustortellini The 3060 is not slower than the 6600 and is a decent bit faster
@ Techpowerup says the RTX 3060 12GB is about 6% faster than the RX 6600 8GB but for about $90 more.
Hey Vex, im sure you already know this but make sure you have Resizable BAR Enabled compared to off, the performance difference is massive!
Which of the two GPU brands will get Productivity/Creator support faster?
Intel vs AMD
intel is best for making videos. you could use that
nvidia is x10 better on productivity/content creation/ai/streaming... thanks to cuda and tensor cores.. almost all known major 3d plugin and 3 rendering engines are based on cuda and nvec. it makes amd's dinosaur age encoder eating dust.. not sure with intel though, they're still young, like new kids on the block, and lets wait for developers to adapt to their platform over time.
Intel. AMD dropped the ball on blender for years now and instead of actually providing a better API to make use of their raytracing capabilities fot cycles, they just shat out a new render engine. Intel has been good with video encoding for a while now, so far that iirc you can use the integrated graphics in intel cpus to encode videos in Premiere faster.
check ancient gameplay is comparision between the b580, 6750xt and 7600xt he covered both gaming and multitasking
intel, easily. They get close to nvidia in some ways, but amd is behind them fs
Intel caught up.. in the US for 220/250$ while being irrelevant here in the EU for 280/330€. And when there is something in stock, scalpers just buy instantly and then sell it for 400+.
New stock of B580 came out today, praying normal people can get one
lol its not scalpers
here in sweden it's like €300 for the B570, and €312.5 for the B580. Crazy how overpriced the B570 is here.
Anyways, the american prices don't account for VAT, european do. The B580's €312.5 price is msrp, given that you account for VAT, and ignore the fact that the euro is worth more than the dollar
In Poland B580 was €290, but currently - €315.
They raised the price so that the B570 could cost €290.
What scalpers? They are available aplenty here. No one is buying them. Scalpers arent interested in these budget cards. At least here in Germany they arent.
geez man your audience still gets pretty upset whenever you say anything positive about intel huh?
Yeah, because his audience knows a thing or two about GPUs
@@GM-xk1nw what… how much you know or don’t know about gpus has nothing to do with what I’m saying. These comments read like NBA fans smack talking other teams and it’s just so bizarre to me.
You also have to keep in mind that a sizable portion of his audience is from the uk. Over there, even though the performance is comparable the price is not. It might just be because it's new but the Intel cards are more expensive than the 4060
only when its inaccurate
@@GM-xk1nw Well known GPU fact: Better preformance is what matters until Nvida loses then I need to protect my multi-billion monopoly.
would you mind on testing the b580 and b570 again but with a lower tier AM4 cpu like an ryzen 5500 or 5600? I heard you get some big performance loss on these cards not to mention that not everyone willing to get a b580 / b570 have a 7800x3d or even a 5700x3d
Gamer's Nexus did some benchmarks and found that using a low end cpu has basically no effect on preformance with these cards. Either this is misinfo or it only applies to old cpus that are no longer being sold.
the major drawback is availability and price. in Serbia, B580 costs 390 euros, almost as much as 4060 ti 16GB.
In serbia all gpus are expensive anyway
5:33 Ayo! Why you use TAA instead of TSR, Vex? TAA performed worse and blurrier than its best alternative TSR. I can't fathom why almost no one talks about how good TSR is from TAA. (Edit: I already said that before and anyone used TSR but still)
Can we please stop using "destroy" to describe marginal improvements? I love you content, but 10% difference does not equal to "destroy" nvidia card, and its weird that in Alan Wake 2 nvidia is "just" 16% faster...
Pretty sure he's using destroy not only because of the performance improvement, but also because the 4060 is like 40% more expensive so value wise it definitely destroys it
@johnlier4456No, no plain no. Not everything that is marginally better destroys the competition, not every little change is a game changer, not everything that is just good has to be epic. Is it better? Yes, so lets keep I that way. If you think only in absolutes and there is no middle ground or so called grey area, then how do you the difference?
There is good, better, best for a reason, not epic, epic, epic.
Bad, worse, worst, not destroyed, destroyed, destroyed
@@sneikiusas it's about 50% more performance per dollar if that's not destroying the competition I don't know what you are expecting. Besides nobody is gonna click on a video saying in the title that it beats something slightly, reviewers will always make the results worse or better to make it more extreme to get views so even if you don't want the terms to be used these people will have to so their videos get more views.
@@sneikiusas 2 extra gigs of vram and almost same performance and faster in a lot of games while 40% cheaper seems like destroying to me... though this card is hard to get in most of the world so it wont mean much.
@@marlon.8051 If selling at MSRP. No one will sell it at list. Find us a seller selling it that way.
great content man, your channel is remiding me of the content daniel did back when i first ran into his channel
330 euros, no thanks.. A750s where 200 euros, rx 6600 180 euros. For 300 i get rx 6800 used with some warranty.
XT would be better choice but for moneh plain 6800 is also good.
all of the people saying the price is different where they are are completely missing the point, the point is: get it if it's cheaper and you want it
In Europe I can get a 4060 for 300eur. while the cheapest B570 goes for as low as 350eur... yeah
Fake and misleading reviews all over internet for arc b580 and b570. Please review those video cards with budget CPU like Ryzen 3600 or 5600 and the intel equivalents. People with budget CPU will buy this card, people with high end CPU will buy Nvidia 5070.
At the moment GeForce 4060 is the better and the solid choice for the budget CPU
Intel is doing is homework. Hopping to get one to my workstation!
nice video, that "lower end" problem is for sure an issue, for guys who wanted upgrade there old 1660 super or lower, system. do u think that an r5 7500f would have that impact too? i mean... those x3d chips are not sooo many builds... ive checked my data and i sold roughly 10 pcs in the last 3 years with an x3d cpu out of rounded 500 pcs. ive tried to push ryzen 7000 series as far as i can go, depending on the budgets but most ppl bought an r5 5600 pc. and its sad, that those ppl could not benefit of the intel cards. r5 5600 b580 32gb ddr4 sounds like an amazin budget 1440p pc in theory.
Why compare with 3 years old card and smack that card. I would still rate 6600 higher than this. Except that extra vram, what does it bring to the table that 6600 doesn't even being 3 years older.
Considerably better rt performance than the radeon cards and even better than the 4060, so Id say a good deal
Yeah man, you have to match the resolution scale between upscalers. The setting name does not matter.
This is 330$ in sweden which is the same price as the RTX 4060 here.
Do you think intel will come out with a more mid range gpu? B780 etc.. id be extremely interested to see how they conpare with the bew line from amd and nvidia
No… B580 is middle range gpu that just hapens to be too slow to compete with middle range. In perfect world… B580 would cost about the same as 5070 and be allmost as fast… it is not a perfect world… B580 is same size as 5070 so also as expensive to produce.
Intel does not want to bleed more money by pringing highend GPU to sold at middle range price! One gpu chip is enough to develop drivers and develop the next generation unless Intel deside to kill their gpu department… again and stop bleeding money…
Hi vex. What games have been in your rotation recently?
honestly, just benchmarking.
but been playing thru cyberpunk whenever I can. Love me so some risk of rain and I might start playing Rivals more casually
@@vextakeshope youre modding cyberpunk 😅 its so good
@@vextakes props for being on the testing grind. hopefully you can get some more downtime soon
@@vextakesOfftopic but like other comment about said to you about 11:11, your CPU is bottlenecking that's why neither of these 2 GPUs are hitting 100%.
So what other CPU you're using, Vex? Because it looks like you didn't use Ryzen 7 9800X3D yet in benchmarking these games tho-
Fantastic work, Vex! Everything was so clear and helpful. I don't know if you hired an editor or did all this work yourself, but it was an excellent video. Bravo!
Everyone says that Intel is good in tests, because all tests with high-end processors, but with budget Intel processors show worse results compared to analogues. Hm interesting, idk is that true or not.
It actually does pretty good with the i5 12400
Yes ! And they keep avoiding that because intel paid them to ignore it !
But what kind of gamer that will bought b570,b580? Yes the poor broke guy
Do you think the poor guy can afford 7800x3d or 9800x3d? Lol of course not
A cpu more expensive than gpu 😂 ,
But they gonna use : 12400f, 13400f, 5600, 5600x, 7500f , i3 12100f , 13100f ,
With all of those b570, b580 will lost 30% and more performance
@jasonvors1922 I saw it
It's much less than 7800x3d
So what the point of low/mid range gpu can't give 100% with low/mid range cpu's?
Intel failed not only with this but with the prices!
People happy and act It's selling at msrp but the real prices more higher than the rtx 4060 and even higher than the rx 7600xt with 16gb of vram!
@@jasonvors1922It is limited even by this 7800x3d in space marine 2, not to mention ryzen 5600 and i5 12400...
I can hit locked 60fps with even ryzen 5500 after PBO and good ram... With Intel GPU I would probably struggle to hit 30fps.
@@GameRTmaster I'm sure that 5000 series will do fine, specially because gamer nexus tested with the 5600x, it is just something to worry about with 3000 series and older and maybe Intel 10 series and older.
Great work, amazing editing. This took a lot of energy for you.
Ok why you didn't said: I'm using 7800x3d
But if you pair a budget cpu with b570 , b580 you will lost 30%+ performance?
gamers nexus tested this card with the 5600, 12400 and 9800x3d and in most games there wasn't any difference between this 3 CPUs on 1080p (or 3-5% more difference in the some game)
ig it was a drives issue and they fixed it
Sometimes even 60%. I can not belive He uploaded video without changes after all of it... Even his 7800x3d is messed up in space marine 2 due to Intel drivers.
@Mkkhg1 gamers nexus test 90% of it gpu bound,
That's the problem
We will face many cpu bound games and also some people play at normal settings not ultra and don't forget the competitive games too
That's why gamers nexus review look like not honest for me
@zbigniew2628 That's the point
And why the 7800x3d
It's a budget gpu so use a budget cpu like the 95% of people
Not pair it with the second strongest cpu in the world,
Look vex 100% having contract with Intel
They called him out before in X also they sent him many gpus and early drivers tests from what I remember,
So I think they told him to not say the downsides
@@Mkkhg1 Yup, been debunked so many times now it's ridiculous this argument even comes up anymore.
You talk about future proofing with that extra VRAM, but, um, it's kind of struggling with the games that came out years ago. Future proofing would be worth something if it ran CP2077 on high 1440p at 100+ FPS right now.
Dude it's a $220 GPU. If you are a budget gamer it can somewhat save you for some time but you can't expect 4080 levels of future proofing from a budget Gpu.
@@KeiGGR Save for what time? It's already struggling.
Given the B570 Die is almost twice the size of a 4060, Intel didn't catch up, they just brute forced a failed mid range chip to a budget card. They still don't deliver any meaningful supply of the B580 because they can't afford to sell them at the MSRP. Just a big marketing stunt to get positive reviews for an unrealistic price.
Exactly people should understand this.
This is what Intel doing recently. Just force everything to its limit. I'm a big fan of its CPU back in the days, but now it really let me down. Compute speed, size, power usage, temperature... at least one of these spec are much worse than its opponents, while others are kind just ok. I hope they can be back on track one day.
The RTX 4060 has a BOM cost around $180-200 with Nvidia's big economy of scale.
A B570 with its much larger die and more memory would be around $220-$240 or even more considering Intels very small scale of production.
Nvidia overprice is ~300% - even if Nvidia cut cost of 4060 2.5 times - they would still make money. (same as amd witth their 7600)
This intel e-waste - they probably still making some money just because how cheap it is to print electronics in general.
Be happy someone is willing to sell you an affordable and somewhat decent e-waste instead of straight up ignoring you, because you don’t have a band to drop on a GPU.
If you wanna measure latency in the future, especially as frame gen starts to maybe enter into the discussion more often, I'd recommend using intel presentmon and using the click to photon graph. It's not AS robust and accurate as hardware solutions, but it'll get a ballpark figure.
Also, the cpu overhead is non-existant on 1440p and b580 can run most at 1440p with reasonable settings.
It is definitely there... I play space marines 2 in 4k with dlss and optimised settings, while having 60fps with rtx3070... And Ryzen 5500 with good ram and tweaked windows allows for it.
If it cannot hit 60fps with some CPU, then it is not going to magically hit it in 1440p.
@zbigniew2628
Is it a good game space Marine?
@@zbigniew2628 Ryzen 5500 is half the i5-12600k for $130 that I consider is the lowest well performing CPU pairing. Ryzen 5500 with 6 cores and 12 threads what do you expect? Miracles?
@@paulboyce853716mb l3 cache
@@789uio6y around 50 fps in 1440p medium, without upscaling with 5600x cpu. If you have a better cpu, it will be better at 1080p high. Or you could use XESS.
4060 has a similar performance at same settings without dlss [around 45].
Please test with entry level/midrange CPU's as well which will be the target market.
12400f/5600
3600 at the low end but it's getting old now.
3600 is Def the only one to have issues but well, an upgrade is not that expensive.
@lukiValentnope, 5600 has issues as well. Not as bad but still
@ weird considering that it is essentially the same silicon for all the other cpus in the generation
THANK YOU for explaining what each of those numbers in the overlay actually mean ! They always show us this thing like we all supposed to magically understand ..
As always great content!
Like your way of explaining things and listen to the technical details. Your calm voice makes it really enjoyable!
Keep it up and see you next time!
Greetings
Andreas
Use an older CPU like an AMD 3600 or older and you will see how weak the Intel card is. People who will buy these cards do not have 7800X3d's. They pulled a dirty trick !!
Who cares? Both amd/nvidia have been milking their fan bases dry for years and it shows.
Gpu stagnation prices sky high inflation? Nah pure greed ? Yes
Only in some games!
So if your games are not very CPU intensive b570 and b580 are an option!
If you are mainly playing multi player shooters… consider something else.
Also if you play very old dx9 games… chose something else. You have to consider your gaming habits, local prising and make desision based on that. The driver overhead is not a problem in most games! But if you mainly play those games… it is a problem.
@@haukikannelIt is almost every game... Drop even on Ryzen 5600 is huge that even rx6600 sometimes beats it.
gamers nexus tested the b570 with the 5600, 12400 and 9800x3d and in most games there wasn't any difference between this 3 CPUs on 1080p (or 3-5% more difference in the some game)
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I've seen people say the intel B580 cards don't work at all on budget / mid-range CPUs. Can you look into that please ?
'A strange world we live in, right? Mr. Morgan'
is there a way to set the audiotrack always to the original one? Its so ennoying to always get this crappy german audio ai track. video sounds like 1000 times better without ai but with real voice. lol
Using about as much silicon as a 4070 just to catch up with the 4060 - and years later - means they HAVEN'T caught up and are in fact far behind. TH-camrs are hyping Intel discrete uncritically almost entirely for the narrative. 🙄
Doesn't mean Nvidia is too far away if it costs them 200$ to make a 5080
I don't think that the engineers and electronic designers need that much pay but I doubt that it is even going to them. Anyways, if I want a lot of pay I guess I know what to study for.
@lukiValentIf Intel could've solved this issue with just money, they probably would have. Their graphics division overall just isn't nearly as good as Nvidia or Radeon at raster hardware.
@ they do have money, albeit most of it now invested on AI, leaving pretty much comparably small amounts of money for the other departments. Sure, they do have millions of dollars, but the millons of dollars are somewhere else.
I'd consider this as intel's rtx 3060, both have nearly the same die size, almost the same amounts of vram, and same price range. Only difference being that one is new and has less well rounded drivers, and the other is older, slower, but cheaper and easier to get (used or new in a third world country like the one i live in), along with decent drivers.
(however since the 3060 is old, it works better with older stuff unlike this)
are they gonna fix the cpu overhead issues?
B570 "destroys" 6600, a gpu that's 4 years old. No srsly? Just calm down.
isnt that true?
Yeeep, because that seems so difficult for both nvidia and amd to do while providing value.
Just curious but for such a budget card, why did you use the 7800x3d for your testing?
to ignore intels overhead issues
did that b570 just casually hit 3.1Ghz OC? damn that's pretty impressive.
I saw 3250mhz once.
Here in toronto Canada, adjusted for currency, the b570 goes for 230, b580 goes for 250 and 4060 goes for 275 and drops to 250 on flash sales.
Hey, I’m looking on Amazon and all the 4060s in Canada are $400+. Am I missing something 😮
@adamsmith4258 my local Canadacomputers store has great prices
Prices I see in the EU:
RX 6600 = 204 euros
RTX 3060 = 260 euros
RTX 4060 = 280 euros
ARC B570 = 275 euros
ARC B580 = 315 euros
Maybe ARC has more horsepower, but the prices are too high. If they want more buyers, they need to offer more for less rather than adopting a 'we are premium' mindset with luxury packaging + limiting availability and expecting gamers to pick ARC over RTX. Personally, I don't trust Intel GPUs and expect various software issues when using them.
That RX 6600 is 220€ and 4060 300€, 3060 280€, and the Battlemage GPU‘s are almost the same in Germany
@mcflapp Mistake with RX 6600-the cheapest I see is 204 euros (corrected). But anyway, the B570 is faster than the RX 6600, yet it also costs much more. ARC B570 at 200-220 euros would be a good price, but I don't feel like paying close to 300 for it.
@@hotdroppinglegends Yeah
Yo, what mic do you use?
Sold out not to normal people, but scalpers and miners. Gaming sucks and I'll stick with my 1080ti.
you are not the their customer priority, a random dude that just uses the pc for youtube and some work doesn't even need a gpu
@mitw153😂
newegg has it available for MSRP
Is there a way to get Vex's Afterburner/RivaTuner overlay?
The B570 isn't cheap enough at its current price youre better off saving for an rx 7600 or B580 it needs to be 199 if not cheaper
7600? You must be joking that card worth 250 much higher than b570 and has only 8gb of vram
Whot? Isn't 6700 XT still better than the 7600 and you can find it for cheaper! Heck, you can find a RX 6800 for the price of the 7600
@@anonymousgaming5725 that's fair but the performance difference between the b570 and b580 is not worth the 30 dollar reduction. you're better off waiting a week so you can afford the 580
You can tell it's memory bandwidth and not memory quantity by looking at how much memory it's using. It shows that clearly in your video.
But even then there's more at play. How quickly you process the stuff you have in memory dictates how long it needs to stay in memory. If you are finished with the data that you need to process the frame you can deallocate that memory thus freeing that memory up.
B580: budget king
B570: poorman's hero
The new card does look nice for its price, but due to the high demand and low supply the prices for intel’s new GPU easily hits $450s. And I’m in the U.S, idk if the price will go down in time once the supply shortage is resolved.
- B570 wins vs 4060 by 9%: omg so good! fck yeah!
- rtx 4060 wins vs B570 by 15%: ugh, you can't tell the difference
They are hypocrites.
Especially with the crap driver overhead Intel GPUs are terrible for older budget system and it’s pointless to buy them for a good system to bottleneck it with the card.
at 10:55 he also mentions intel cards not being fully used in Indiana Jones due to a bug, and you look to the right and the 4060 isnt fully used either lol
The point is that it's almost half the price.
@@sweettorelloah yes, 75% = 50%; such good math.
Hardware un-boxed stated the the B580 doesn't work well with r5 3600 - 5600 cpu or Intel of same class. Does the B570 have the same issues?
DDR5 and PCIe 5 are not budget platforms. And 7800x3d - 9800x3d are budget CPUs.
Does it have:
- CUDA?
- DLSS?
- DLAA ?
- Tensor cores?
- NVenc?
- Raytracing with tensor cores?
- Reflex tech ?
Exactly.
it makes videos good... that's it
you forgot - VR
VR dont even work on intel GPUs (yes something like 4060 is more than enough for VR which stuck in 2020 system recomendation - everything will fly on max on 4060 include HL:Alyx)
same as Intel gpu drivers in Linux - they wont work in 95% of games and there no raytracing implemented (for all this time)
same as playing game+streaming/video recording - hardware video ecncoding - it was unusable on Arc A-series - everything lags and stutters - idk if it even work on these new intel cards - no one tested it
Does it cost $500 and give you 8gb vram? Exactly. Even with the jacked prices you get more vram than you would with nvidia
@@oopdigdigfig9786It is more like ~300$ for rtx4060... While you do not need to upgrade a CPU to keep 60fps performance.
Testing intel with drivers which limits even 7800x3d in space marine 2 is a joke without comparison to Ryzen 5600 and i5 12400f.
The last of us 2 port was made by the same company, which made Arkham Knight port. You do not need 8gb Vram that much, just optimisations are bad and max textures are not always worth it, like in Horizon Forbidden West.
And even good for me, that I am not interested in most new games, even HFW, TLOU2 and remake, Spidermans, ubi, EA, Aci&Blizzard games and whatever.
Oh and to be clear... Corporations are not our friend, so there is no point in playing it nice for some of them. intel, AMD, Nvidia are going to mess a lot in pathetic ways, so just pick what suits you better, but without making it look better than it is. Probably the best option is to buy used ones, especially Nvidia and update DLSS to 4.0 in games.
Would overclocked 570 be close to 580 stock ?
Another paper launch, just like the 580 which can't be found for less than $350 usd where it makes no sense to buy.
Ohh, I normally don't care about overclocking at all, but I'd love to see a video about the increase in performance on the intel cards...I'd like to know if the 570 can get close to the stock 580 if it's overclocked and to know how much more you can get out of the 580 as well.
11:11 Brother lol neither gpu is hitting 100%. Your cpu is bottlenecking
You cannot get basically any better than the 7800x3d. Also it's possible for core 7 or 8 to simply not have significant demand while everything else it pegged at 100%. A 9800x3d would not have significantly changed these results. You'd be crazy to pair a GPU this cheap with a CPU/Mobo setup that expensive anyways.
Looking forward to the 5090 vs the 4090 raster, dlss, raytracing benchmarks.
*On a newer CPU.
Sure if you blow out the 8GB VRAM its gonna choke.
The 4060 sux because its a 4050 realname.
We are on the worst timeline, so the price of the B580 will increase 🫤
It just needs a driver update
Will Intel fix the driver overhead ishue?
Why is the frametime lower on the intel ... around 5ms or more ?
Hope you cover Monster Hunter Wilds again in the upcoming beta test. I hope they managed to optimize the game more in these past 3 months.
Are there any used cards that beat it?
great example that advertisement is to get idiots to buy stuff. If something is good, it will sellout automatically.
what about the video encoders?
What is with the gpu boss benchmarks? Why are they so off?
Man, i can't believe 1440p is still relevant. I remember people playing 1440p with 660ti. Amds r9 285 was advertised as a 1440p card back in 2014. Nearly 11 years ago
The 16.0 frame time is happening across all the 6xxx. RDR2 gets 4ms-8ms every few driver releases. Then back to 16ms. Been happening ever sense the 7800xt launched in Sept. of 2023.
When it comes to the lower performance on older CPUs, a lot of us have older GPUs, and not a lot of options at this price range...so I'd also need to see how the 6600 and other cards in the 200-260ish range actually do with those same older CPUs...I know it would be an upgrade over my 1650 Super either way, and I'd also like to upgrade my CPU, but it would still be on AM4...so I'd like to know if it would be a waste to get the Intel cards vs just a 6600 or 7600...hell, maybe wait and see what the 9060 looks like since most games I currently play run fine on my current GPU since I obviously can't buy ones that can't run on it...
If your get a ryzen 5 5500 or better you will be good
For me the 4060 works, I didn't have to upgrade my power supply or anything else in my old PC - It also has some benefits like the DLSS and all that :) - For me the 300 euro's was worth it for sure. I can play Ghost of Thushima and Wukong on the highest settings with frame gen and get great fps
Edit: I'm using it with a 3600 Ryzen CPU in a prebuilt PC from a few years ago
seems like copium to me
probably getting 50% higher frame rates in most games with a 4060 anyway
@@nostrum6410did you watch the video?
@@sokotroko5488 what am i wrong about?
@@nostrum6410 not really 50%, more like 10% avarage, taking into account that some games even do better with the intel gpu. This is just a random number I made up but I don’t think the 4060 is 50% more powerful
Edit: i am dumb, the cpu overhead issue is massive. Nevermind everything I said lol
How long until AMD and nVidia release their new gen budget cards? 6 months?
AMD and NVIDIA probably will never have new gen budget cards haha. They don't want to sell them.
but how does it compare to the 7600...?
What are the alternatives to DLSS and FG, and what is their quality on Intel GPUs?
The alternative is actually rendering
XeSS on native Intel XMX is as close to DLSS as you can get. Much better than FSR.
For framegen, it supports FSR 3 FG, since it is an open standart after all, and, unlike the upscaler part, in terms of quality it is long known to be good enough to actually compete with DLSS FG. Or just use Lossless Scaling for MFG.
@@enricofermi3471 FSR 4 could release way late into this year as per the usual with amd
Xess for DLSS replacement, no FG as far as i'm aware. its a bit worse than FSR and a lot worse than DLSS. and no, enrico is wrong here. i have not seen a place where FSR looks and performs worse than Xess, unless they used 77% fsr and 65% Xess, making image quality even worse and performance around the same.
Upgraded from a 970 to a B580 for 300 euros recently. Happy with the deal I got. Looking at this video, the GPUs seem roughly equally good in terms price-performance ratio.
i just noticed . why is the 1% lows higher than native framerate in total average framerate of the rx 6600 in last of us part 1 ??
Your video would be a hell of a lot easier to follow if you kept the Intel card on one side and the competition on the other side. You keep switching which side of the screen the Intel card is on.
Intel is in a really good spot right now when it comes to GPUs. Yes, the new generation for both Nvidia and AMD is about to launch and it's probably going to be ahead quite a bit in the same price range. But those lower end cards are like at least half a year away during which Intel gets to sell their great low budget cards, gain market share and mindshare. I really hope they keep going the way they've been so far. I currently have two systems with an Arc card (A770 and B580) and I totally plan to keep supporting Arc. I decided last generation that I'd be collecing Arc Limited Edition cards if Battlemage continued the positive trajectory they've been showing during their first generation so now I'm all in. Even considering whether I should collect Sparkle cards for the ones that don't have an LE version but looking at how much they cost compared to ASRock ones, and how ugly ASRock's Arc cards are, I'm not there yet xD
What’s the overlay ?
This gpu is not even launched in my country and i assure it will be absurdly priced in my country looking at the intel arc gpu here, still rtx 4060 is better choice here
Most gamers on this budget range is probably running on an i5 , R5 5600 or even lower. You should test this card on those type of cpu as these battlemage cards are a bit cpu sensitive.
whats the cpu you are using in this vid?
7800x3d...you can see it during the comparison at the top of the screen
I dont understand why you compare a brand new Intel card with a AMD card from 1 generation ago released in 2021. There are like almost 4 years betwen this cards. And you wonder why it is performing better?
It comes down to what you get price for performance in the $200 to $220 range. Not many options.
@usul573 Like many others say, that's only for the US market. For the most other countries Intel's card ist about a 400€ price range, and a RX7600 is 270€.
Edit: Sorry, did a quick research and the B570 is about 300€. But the 7600 is still a way better deal.
@ I can't speak for other countries just what I am quickly looking up here in the US.
The wattage as well. Very impressive. These cards will definitely get better drivers or it has a lot of overclock headroom