I feels like a full time job sometimes, especially on controversial subjects...but I don't mind putting in the work to create a more positive and sharing atmosphere.
He is miss understanding how the "hide user from channel" works. The user will still be able to view/like/dislike the videos. Only their comments MIGHT be hidden, this feature likely doesn't work as intended.
@@BorisZX6R it's not necessarily censorship if they don't add anything meaningful. for example, if my comment to you was something like st f u you wor thl ess blank blank ig no blank blanketyblank. I just cursed you out with NO genuine feedback, or value to the conversation... what use is that? how does that help ANYONE? It really does not, it's trolling at very best, and yah, stuff like that can be hidden IMO. I hate censorship but when someone just posts total garbage.. dump it.
Brock you're the man! Finally a true tuning "geek" that will exploit the possibilities lurking inside ("ECU"/BMS) in tuning electric motors! I've been waiting for someone seeing the potential in tuning electric vehicles (this has been done for electric bikes for a long time already).
The regen braking takes a little bit to get used to, but once you do it's AWESOME. You can basically learn to come to a stop w/o using your brakes with it most the time, or only using them the last few feet just to keep the bike stable during it's final 2 or 3 mph to stop. With that being said, it is also very helpful coming into turns as well, in conjunction with or even instead of, the rear brake to help get the bike pointed the direction you need it to go. Once you spend a few weeks with the bike really learning how to really work it, you are going to fall in love with it, trust me on that.
I have been restoring classic cars for over 30 years. Recently we have been converting Classics to electric. Some people think it’s cool, but there’s a lot of noise about how we are violating the laws of nature. It is really fun to drive an old Porsche with an electric powertrain. The car is so much faster. The torque is instant fun just like the bike. I have seven motorcycles, so I love the piston power but I’m very interested in getting an electric bike, anxious to see what you do with this. Must embrace the future. The adoption of electric vehicles is going to be much faster than a lot of people think, better to be prepared. Great video. Thanks for the content. Look forward to seeing what you do with the bike.
Hats off to you Brock for giving your unbiased review, I recently purchased a ZX14R after years of owning 1000's, the torque is where it's at 100%. Patiently waiting the next tests of this amazing machine, Thank You !
Loved to see someone to stand up against the comments. Also i absolutely love my Eva RS, and i have heard my fair share of both great and rude comments about me riding electric.
Go Brock, nice one, bring things back to normality in an otherwise nutty world where people think they can say anything and do anything they want without consequences. Respect to you and yours for putting on your projects and letting us in on the information you come to understand. Also, E stuff is so quick, I am not surprised that you reviewed some. The cars are crazy fast, I was blown away, when I got back in my normal car I thought there was something wrong with it. Forget the charging and range issues, they probably matter (especially for bikes) but for going around the block a few times they are so, so, so exciting. I thought the lack of noise would make them less exciting to ride, definitely less exciting to watch going past on the race track, but to ride? ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. They may not be the future due to the charging stuff and lack of rare earths etc. but as a one off crazy tech advance, they are amazing. Thanks again, push those haters to the side mate.
"Range anxiety" is a problem for sure and the more aggressively the bike is ridden, the quicker that anxiety goes up. But so far, the quick blasts we have been doing have not been a problem. If I had the self control to actually ride the speed limit, I could tell you more....I'm working on it ;)
She sure has a bit too much anti-squat. Any way to get rid of that? That tail end loves to rise up @ WOT. I want that bike btw. Would love to see a roll-on race with the H2
Performance looks great but we need something other that lithium polymer, it’s expensive and heavy. bhp or kWh to kilograms is critical for motorcycles as you know, 260kg bike and of that 140 - 160kg for that 21.5 kWh battery. How do we get the weight down?
Battery technology will surely advance in the future. For now, we already have BST carbon fiber wheels for the bike in process and we will also look at typical weight saving options.
Right now, we can only pray for lighter battery tech Id say, until we can come out with maybe some printed 3D frames or something with some polymer that is just as strong as steel, but lighter. Even the motor, you MUST have the copper AND steel by it's very nature, there is not much you can do there to lighten it. Given the extreme nature, the motor needs some fairly unique grade steel in it's laminations to help concentrate the mag fields, currently with our knowledge, there is not much we have to get around that. One thing that I have thought of that might work, but be an entire re engineering is, put the motor IN the hub of the wheel, that would also clear up some room for maybe a bigger battery or more preferrably lower it's center of gravity a bit so the bike is not so top heavy. Having the motor there will also get rid of the chain / drive assy and gearbox too. I have the Ribelle which is the EGO's not so little sister bike, and love it!
@David Greggs --Mainly because the R1 crowd naturally gravitates to Graves and/or Akro...so we have discontinued most of our previous Brock's Performance R1 items. That said, the work Chris Moore is doing is showing that there are some late-model R1 guys interested in what we do, so we are currently investigating items to offer. If you have any suggestions, please go here and let us know: blog.brocksperformance.com/product-request/
@@BrockDavidson leave that with you I consider you the best at whatever you put your mind to when it comes to bikes I'm just a Yamaha lover always have been always will be help us go faster
I own an electric Moped, while nowhere near these, those are extremely fun around town, best daily vehicle (for me at least). And to scratch the itch left by the gasoline bikes, I have a nice little cruiser, which sounds pretty nice (in my opinion)
I had a Livewire for a year. It was a fun bike to ride around locally, however the advertised range was about 1/4 the actual range when you were getting on the throttle. I looked into getting an Energica however their dealer network is non-existent. I'm waiting to see what Japan or Ducati make in the EV market before I dive back in.
Thanks for the honest input. I feel you. It sucks that you are punished for experiencing the thing most sportbike racers and motorheads love the most.... acceleration! That said, all vehicles evolve and it's the OEM's responsibility to either deliver what the consumer desires, or quietly fade away.
I had no idea I needed to see this video! You've got my interest. Excuse me while I go looking to see where and how much these are, availability wise. Great to see this review Brock. Jamie Millholland
THANK YOU for noticing! I can put all of that stuff on to street ride....but never racing. It would slow me down 5-10mph in the 1/4 from aero disturbances alone.
@Brock Davidson unfortunately the weather near cancun is looking crappy for tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll clear up soon! That'll give me a chance to get some fresh blood in its viens and new chain and sprockets fitted. I may have to pinch my pennies for the ceracarbon sprocket to get any advantage I can!
Put some BST wheels on that machine and give us a ride report on some twisty sections! Well done video! I LOVE the Energica Rebelle RS for sport riding. The ride experience is better than a Tuono V4 Factory IMHO. Company support is also extraordinary.
I also want to add, that yes a full charge is going to give you the absolute best performance on your battery BUT, even with a lower charge the bike still hauls ass. I was on the way home and at 23 percent charge left and romped on it and it STILL took off like a scalded cat and hopped a little wheelie starting out at 70 mph hit a buck 20 ish just a few seconds later. Did not really notice any struggling or lack of power at all really TBH. Their power distribution graphing, for lack of what to properly call it, is really top notch. The bike WILL at 20 percent though go into a granny mode, to preserve the battery to get you home. You can still go fast but it'll accelerate at a much slower rate and be much less aggressive. Still though, highway speeds are absolutely doable, just not in 3 seconds anymore :)
What is the real world range on one of those? Up to 261 miles says nothing unless we see a chart of the speeds over that course, and I guess motorcyclist has a slightly harder riding profile than electric car users.
I was tentative on the first ride for sure. Once you feel that instant torque, you feel like shit could get bad in a hurry. My hats off to the Energica engineers for providing such a thrill, without scaring the rider to death. That said, we will be testing serious acceration very soon.
you can adjust some of the controls and riding modes to be a bit tamer on the bike, but to answer your question YES, if you go WOT it will want to take off like a scalded cat and buck you off like a pissed off bronco !! If you are going to be slamming that throttle you need to hold on TIGHT. See thats the thing, in a car like a tesla, when you go wot, it shoves you into a nice comfy seat so you are ...secure. on this thing, when you go wot it wants to take off and leave you hanging in the air like Wile E Coyote on one of his Acme Rocket Engines that just took off and left him swimming in the dust cloud.
Yup Brooke it would take a wee bit of getting used to riding an electric bike. It would seem strange not having a clutch or gear shift. But I suppose it's just like driving an automatic car to certain degree. I think you would just have to watch the power delivery on wet or rainy weather with the power being so direct.
Guys, it's a miracle: UNCLE BROCK IS BACK! 😁 EDIT: I have a silly question: Does the lack of internal combustion engine pulses at the rear tire make the bike feel smooth and weird?
Silky smooth at all speeds, throttle openings and throttle transitions. None of the jerkyness ICE bikes are plagued with due to emissions and noise regulations. Smoothest stock bike I have ever ridden, hands down.
Stupid Fast ! I Love it ! Electrification in Automobiles has proven that E power, makes STUPID Horsepower. I believe that using your tuning and ECU modification techniques, will you may be able to mod the power outputs.
1:00 Isn't that censoring.... 🤔 it may backfire big time at any time in future by any authority.... 🤷🏻 it's a far reaching power.... and it's on TH-cam now😮
You can call it censorship - I call it respect. It's not possible to have a positive, insightful conversation if one side has already made up their mind....
Hello brock Max effort stock motor bikes usually run a shorter first gear like chris moore's gsxr1000 and ricky gadsons zx10 stock motor bikes Is that possible to do on something like your swb s1000rr or is a shorter first gear overkill for swb even after all the mods and stability off the line that it has?😮
The bikes you mention have very tall 1st gears and long swingarms, so shortening the ratio works well. Since our bike is stock wheelbase, we need the taller gearing to help keep it on the ground.
Given the relationship between Ecell output and temperature, I would expect at least a temperature correction factor for the dyno (see Nernst equation).
You are correct. We actually picked up a sizable hp gain and small torque gain with an increase in the ambient temp. I'll try to take that into consideration moving forward.
Be a lot of damon ev bikes coming your way soon🏆 I’m always late to the party. I’m still stuck on a ZH2 and here you are on ev mode😅 well, hope you’ve got something for the 2023 ZH2. Awesome video
I am looking forward to the electric motorcycle thing. I don't understand the issues people are having with them? I will not be giving up my ice anytime but a completely silent morning ride sounds great to me. That being said they are not there with the range yet for me. I live to far from everything with the limited battery capacity.
The moment he fed that throttle the whole bike hunched forward, thats some serious getup n boogey. I reckon a hybrid hydrogen bike would just be nuts, battery up to 80 mile then motor for the top end speed and distance.
Price is on their website. I'm not sure on miles as all of my riding has been like a hooligan. I keep it plugged in when not in use so it's always ready to go with a full charge when I need it.
At the beginning of the episode I was like I wonder when he'll put us out of wheel bearings in it but you mentioned wheels. Laugh out loud I think. Besides ceramic bearings and weight reduction stuff, it'll be great to see who engineers aerodynamics and what other things they tried to engineer into it. I guess being the first to engineer stuff on the models that will sell would probably be key.
It's an Italian motorcycle, so it's perfect when it leaves the factory as far as they are concerned. My job is to keep the American Muscle car experience going....just on a different platform, as far as I'm concerned.
@@BrockDavidson I love the sound of a cam to V8 engine. Trust me I understand. But there is a use for these electrics. I had a Volvo Hall Star for a month. It was a lot of fun. I'm not saying I would have it every day but I can understand the attraction to them.
@Jason Powell : Some people love the sound of a steam locomotive, the sound of a vinyl record playing or the click of a rotary phone - if you know what I mean?
Most MotoGP bikes have v4 engines for uneven firing order and those that have inline 4 use firing order of a half v8 engine. All riders prefer delivered torque that is smoother on the wheel. In these little gaps between sparks when accelerating wheel has a time to gain traction. Better throttle control and better drive of a corner. Electric bike should be even worth than that even firing inline 4. Just constant power on the rear wheel.
Hey, this was a great video of this project! For a long time I've really wondered how and what you could do to measure, analyze and tune electric powered bikes. This has been great to watch and listen for an ICE guy like me.
It would be nice to have data with a dragy on the real performance, to be able to make a good performance comparison and not an impression of the performance.
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Is it just as weird to ride as it is to watch? The lack of engine noise is just as strange sounding as I had imagined... But I definitely want to ride me. Lol
@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS - YES! It's a strange but exhilarating sensation. It's very difficult to explain in words...but my ass and gut know exactly what I'm talking about, lol!
@@BrockDavidson oh... It's restricted? Damn. Yeah I couldn't hardly see the dyno graph for it so I wasn't sure where it made what and how it fell off. And sounds like I need to turn one of these things up a little more then. 250 is good, 300 is nice, haven't been above that yet. Sounds like fun 😂
@@BrockDavidson Gday Brock, l think these things are awesome. Sound, similar to Jay's jet bike, gotta love that, oh yeh, and that giggle of yours😂 Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it. Njoy.
Hi 👋 I have a question for you ✌🏍 Do you try to use a emf tester ( electro magnetic field) ? Because the battery 🔋 on electric car literally give huge radiations to the people driving 🚗 it. All the way long. Plus do you know how the bus or electric car burn Because of the battery? I garantie you, 4 seconds and nothing left ... Imagine to stop you and get down the vehicle before it burns you at legal speed 😳, it's impossible ! That's why, I will not ride this " technology " even if it's fantastic. I like your work and enjoy your video 📹 😉. Have a nice day 🌞
@Loïc BACQ - thank you for your honest input. I do have a radiation detector, and I will test under various operating conditions for a future episode. Yes, I have seen the images of EV's burning and it certainly is a scary sight to see...That said, hard to control fires are a reality with ICE applications also. As a nitrous oxide fan, fire and even violent explosions are a reality that must be considered at all times. Here are a couple of my personal issues from a small (seemingly harmless) 750cc race bike.... This is with fuel injection and nitrous: th-cam.com/video/O3oL8eCzz1s/w-d-xo.html and this is with carbs and nitrous: th-cam.com/video/lQBWONx38ms/w-d-xo.html I wanted to "not ride this technology" either!! But instead, I focused more on safety and won the AMA Prostar #1 in the superbike class in 2000 against a field of far better funded teams.
I went on a ride with one of my buddies who has a gixxer. he was kind of smug, well... opened his eyes up real fast. If you get one of these opened up, like their full racing bikes, it's just sick. TBH one of my biggest problems is keeping it on the ground, even being a pretty damned heavy bike, at almost 600 lbs, it's got so much torque that it'll want to pop up on you really fast if you are going to thump that throttle. Even doing 70 mph on the highway if you crank it, it'll want to wheelie if you thump it. Yes they ARE that powerful. People Please STOP listening to the bullshit going back and forth about Electric .vs. ICE. Most those comments are from green tards or ICEholes, who are just there to spew their uninformed hate. All the crap you hear about how BAD electric is, back up 100 years or so in history and it was the exact same BULLSHIT that was said about those HORRIBLE ICE engines .vs. the loveable reliable, dependable horse and buggy. Try to keep an open mind and realize that the tech is still evolving, it's new, but IS plenty viable and will only get better. Look how tempermental your cars were back in the 70's vs today, which about a guaranteed one turn start. Just as an example
I agree they seem pretty great. I believe when the price can come down some more and range go up a little bit is when you may seem a lot more adoption.
@@michaelfrock2473 The biggest problem which almost nobody is admitting is, our electric grid just can NOT handle a mass influx of electric cars charging. Especially places where they have a lot of electric heat, like the southern states, you get a cold night, and then want to throw 500 MWatt of cars charging, you are going to be in for a bad night. California is another prime example. They can't keep the lights let alone the air conditioning running as it is now, and want to add gigs of car charging load? How you going to do that? Where is the power going to come from?
@@aarons7975 You are absolutely correct. I believe most people never think how electricity is made or have dealt with what happens in the summer when everyone is using the grid. At least we are off to a good start, I just hope the infrastructure can get ahead or at least keep up with future demand. Also I don't think most people also realize how long they need to keep their electric vehicle to offset the environmental cost of mining lithium.
@@michaelfrock2473 The grid problem is a bit more complex than just hanging a few extra wires. Think older subdivisions and neighborhoods. They were planned, DESIGNED, with xx electric load in mind. Now you are going to roughly double that. Transformers have to be replaced, going to up the voltage any decent amount? well now you have to change out all the insulators, and step downs etc etc. Solar on houses works, because that real estate is already spoken for, your roof is essentially dead acreage, put it to use. otherwise just throwing miles of panels up on the landscape is a really bad idea. Most cities literally do not have enough square miles to put solar to power them even if they covered it 100 percent.
Yes on the wheels! Perhaps on the swingarm - definitely if we can derestrict. And, the bike doesn't have link suspension...but I'm working on a cure to lower.
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It's nice to have a youtuber that is willing to go and sort through comments to weed out the craziness of youtube
I feels like a full time job sometimes, especially on controversial subjects...but I don't mind putting in the work to create a more positive and sharing atmosphere.
@@BrockDavidson This is why you are the man!!! 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
But is it censorship?! Are you muting the voices of people that might disagree ?
He is miss understanding how the "hide user from channel" works. The user will still be able to view/like/dislike the videos. Only their comments MIGHT be hidden, this feature likely doesn't work as intended.
@@BorisZX6R it's not necessarily censorship if they don't add anything meaningful.
for example, if my comment to you was something like st f u you wor thl ess blank blank ig no blank blanketyblank. I just cursed you out with NO genuine feedback, or value to the conversation... what use is that? how does that help ANYONE? It really does not, it's trolling at very best, and yah, stuff like that can be hidden IMO. I hate censorship but when someone just posts total garbage.. dump it.
OMG!!! True 'Biker Guys' know the 'giggles' part of it.... You have my interest peaked...
We are shocked!! We were not expecting that!
I agree, that acceleration was crazy. Put wings on that thing and you will fly.
Brock you're the man! Finally a true tuning "geek" that will exploit the possibilities lurking inside ("ECU"/BMS) in tuning electric motors! I've been waiting for someone seeing the potential in tuning electric vehicles (this has been done for electric bikes for a long time already).
The regen braking takes a little bit to get used to, but once you do it's AWESOME. You can basically learn to come to a stop w/o using your brakes with it most the time, or only using them the last few feet just to keep the bike stable during it's final 2 or 3 mph to stop. With that being said, it is also very helpful coming into turns as well, in conjunction with or even instead of, the rear brake to help get the bike pointed the direction you need it to go. Once you spend a few weeks with the bike really learning how to really work it, you are going to fall in love with it, trust me on that.
We appreciate the content Brock
A new era of "tuning" for Brock? Exciting stuff!
Exciting!! I've owned 3 Energicas and I've loved every one of them. Can't wait to see what you guys do with the Ego!
I have been restoring classic cars for over 30 years. Recently we have been converting Classics to electric. Some people think it’s cool, but there’s a lot of noise about how we are violating the laws of nature. It is really fun to drive an old Porsche with an electric powertrain. The car is so much faster. The torque is instant fun just like the bike. I have seven motorcycles, so I love the piston power but I’m very interested in getting an electric bike, anxious to see what you do with this. Must embrace the future. The adoption of electric vehicles is going to be much faster than a lot of people think, better to be prepared. Great video. Thanks for the content. Look forward to seeing what you do with the bike.
Love your stuff...those are some crazy numbers 175 lbs of torque that's unreal.
Hats off to you Brock for giving your unbiased review, I recently purchased a ZX14R after years of owning 1000's, the torque is where it's at 100%. Patiently waiting the next tests of this amazing machine, Thank You !
I think i just love the sound of a screaming inline 4 to much.. maybe cuz i bought the full system from you guys to my zh2.
Loved to see someone to stand up against the comments. Also i absolutely love my Eva RS, and i have heard my fair share of both great and rude comments about me riding electric.
Go Brock, nice one, bring things back to normality in an otherwise nutty world where people think they can say anything and do anything they want without consequences. Respect to you and yours for putting on your projects and letting us in on the information you come to understand. Also, E stuff is so quick, I am not surprised that you reviewed some. The cars are crazy fast, I was blown away, when I got back in my normal car I thought there was something wrong with it. Forget the charging and range issues, they probably matter (especially for bikes) but for going around the block a few times they are so, so, so exciting. I thought the lack of noise would make them less exciting to ride, definitely less exciting to watch going past on the race track, but to ride? ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. They may not be the future due to the charging stuff and lack of rare earths etc. but as a one off crazy tech advance, they are amazing. Thanks again, push those haters to the side mate.
You are a class act Mr. Brock, good for you for shutting down the keyboard geniuses!
The laugh says it all when he hits that throttle. And thats a laugh from a man who has ridden 7 second bikes...
Pull 2 seconds off of that comment and it's spot on 😉
another great video! Can't wait for the next one. At 74 years old my 2004 Dyna is most likely my last motorcycle but I am impressed by this ride.
I was watching your left hand for a ghost grab. :)
Let the games begin.
I want to test drive one of those.
They are the future so always good to stay ahead of the game, amazing work
Crazy man, love it brock, keep um coming.......
Excided to see what the old girl can do in your hands!
I like the idea but I don’t like how small the range is on a single charge. Once technology advances and the range is better I might be interested.
"Range anxiety" is a problem for sure and the more aggressively the bike is ridden, the quicker that anxiety goes up. But so far, the quick blasts we have been doing have not been a problem. If I had the self control to actually ride the speed limit, I could tell you more....I'm working on it ;)
She sure has a bit too much anti-squat. Any way to get rid of that? That tail end loves to rise up @ WOT. I want that bike btw. Would love to see a roll-on race with the H2
I think the tail rise is caused more by the compression of the soft front end - ill know after I make some changes on the front end.
They are fun, I like the instant Torque!
Makes me think the bike mags of old would LOVE these?!
Still makes me die laughing...
"STUPID FAST"
Yes, I guess it is.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Please make another short video from the Federales perspective. Sights and sounds of a drive by would be an excellent addition.
Great stuff, looking forward to more content with this bike.
Brock is a national treasure
Performance looks great but we need something other that lithium polymer, it’s expensive and heavy.
bhp or kWh to kilograms is critical for motorcycles as you know, 260kg bike and of that 140 - 160kg for that 21.5 kWh battery.
How do we get the weight down?
Battery technology will surely advance in the future. For now, we already have BST carbon fiber wheels for the bike in process and we will also look at typical weight saving options.
Right now, we can only pray for lighter battery tech Id say, until we can come out with maybe some printed 3D frames or something with some polymer that is just as strong as steel, but lighter. Even the motor, you MUST have the copper AND steel by it's very nature, there is not much you can do there to lighten it. Given the extreme nature, the motor needs some fairly unique grade steel in it's laminations to help concentrate the mag fields, currently with our knowledge, there is not much we have to get around that.
One thing that I have thought of that might work, but be an entire re engineering is, put the motor IN the hub of the wheel, that would also clear up some room for maybe a bigger battery or more preferrably lower it's center of gravity a bit so the bike is not so top heavy. Having the motor there will also get rid of the chain / drive assy and gearbox too.
I have the Ribelle which is the EGO's not so little sister bike, and love it!
Damn that thing is cool!
Brother when you going to build more stuff for R1s
@David Greggs --Mainly because the R1 crowd naturally gravitates to Graves and/or Akro...so we have discontinued most of our previous Brock's Performance R1 items. That said, the work Chris Moore is doing is showing that there are some late-model R1 guys interested in what we do, so we are currently investigating items to offer. If you have any suggestions, please go here and let us know: blog.brocksperformance.com/product-request/
@@BrockDavidson leave that with you I consider you the best at whatever you put your mind to when it comes to bikes I'm just a Yamaha lover always have been always will be help us go faster
I own an electric Moped, while nowhere near these, those are extremely fun around town, best daily vehicle (for me at least). And to scratch the itch left by the gasoline bikes, I have a nice little cruiser, which sounds pretty nice (in my opinion)
I had a Livewire for a year. It was a fun bike to ride around locally, however the advertised range was about 1/4 the actual range when you were getting on the throttle. I looked into getting an Energica however their dealer network is non-existent. I'm waiting to see what Japan or Ducati make in the EV market before I dive back in.
Thanks for the honest input. I feel you. It sucks that you are punished for experiencing the thing most sportbike racers and motorheads love the most.... acceleration! That said, all vehicles evolve and it's the OEM's responsibility to either deliver what the consumer desires, or quietly fade away.
wow this is awesome dyno and electric bike i've seen it all... Great job brock i know if there's any additional performance to be had you will find it
Glad you like!
I had no idea I needed to see this video! You've got my interest. Excuse me while I go looking to see where and how much these are, availability wise. Great to see this review Brock.
Jamie Millholland
Hey Jamie! I had no idea myself, but I'm really enjoying the experience.
Sum serious high video quality there brocks new equipment 🤔
THANK YOU for noticing! I can put all of that stuff on to street ride....but never racing. It would slow me down 5-10mph in the 1/4 from aero disturbances alone.
I feel a trip to mexico coming on for the long term test ZX-10R. Cant wait to get in the cockpit of this crazy thing also!
C'mon....bish 🙃
@Brock Davidson unfortunately the weather near cancun is looking crappy for tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll clear up soon! That'll give me a chance to get some fresh blood in its viens and new chain and sprockets fitted. I may have to pinch my pennies for the ceracarbon sprocket to get any advantage I can!
It's pretty cool, and seems pretty fast I wonder how much it weighs compared to my v4s
I'll bust out my certified scale soon.
Put some BST wheels on that machine and give us a ride report on some twisty sections! Well done video! I LOVE the Energica Rebelle RS for sport riding. The ride experience is better than a Tuono V4 Factory IMHO. Company support is also extraordinary.
Will do soon! 😉
What an absolute SAVAGE 👊
I also want to add, that yes a full charge is going to give you the absolute best performance on your battery BUT, even with a lower charge the bike still hauls ass. I was on the way home and at 23 percent charge left and romped on it and it STILL took off like a scalded cat and hopped a little wheelie starting out at 70 mph hit a buck 20 ish just a few seconds later. Did not really notice any struggling or lack of power at all really TBH. Their power distribution graphing, for lack of what to properly call it, is really top notch.
The bike WILL at 20 percent though go into a granny mode, to preserve the battery to get you home. You can still go fast but it'll accelerate at a much slower rate and be much less aggressive. Still though, highway speeds are absolutely doable, just not in 3 seconds anymore :)
@Aaron S - Thanks for your input!
What is the real world range on one of those?
Up to 261 miles says nothing unless we see a chart of the speeds over that course, and I guess motorcyclist has a slightly harder riding profile than electric car users.
I'm a nitrous guy...all I need is a couple "faster than you" runs to be happy. I take other bikes on longer trips.
As a confirmed petrol head,,, all I can say is ,that is really impressive,,, I want one.
When you go WOT does the front end want to come up, or are you that good with the wrist?
I was tentative on the first ride for sure. Once you feel that instant torque, you feel like shit could get bad in a hurry. My hats off to the Energica engineers for providing such a thrill, without scaring the rider to death. That said, we will be testing serious acceration very soon.
you can adjust some of the controls and riding modes to be a bit tamer on the bike, but to answer your question YES, if you go WOT it will want to take off like a scalded cat and buck you off like a pissed off bronco !! If you are going to be slamming that throttle you need to hold on TIGHT.
See thats the thing, in a car like a tesla, when you go wot, it shoves you into a nice comfy seat so you are ...secure.
on this thing, when you go wot it wants to take off and leave you hanging in the air like Wile E Coyote on one of his Acme Rocket Engines that just took off and left him swimming in the dust cloud.
I’m a die hard petrol head. But numbers are numbers. And that’s very impressive. I say bring it on. Great video as useful 👍
I Like to see what it would do at the dragstrip!!
You should do the dino every year on the same battery to see how it performs. IMO 5 year test,
Yup Brooke it would take a wee bit of getting used to riding an electric bike. It would seem strange not having a clutch or gear shift. But I suppose it's just like driving an automatic car to certain degree. I think you would just have to watch the power delivery on wet or rainy weather with the power being so direct.
With all of the elaborate rider and traction control modes available on this bike, I don't belive wet-weather riding would be any issue at all.
Yes sir! Showing up for class sir!
Power wheels for grownups. I can tell by the chuckle in your voice it’s fun to ride.
Guys, it's a miracle: UNCLE BROCK IS BACK! 😁
EDIT: I have a silly question: Does the lack of internal combustion engine pulses at the rear tire make the bike feel smooth and weird?
Silky smooth at all speeds, throttle openings and throttle transitions. None of the jerkyness ICE bikes are plagued with due to emissions and noise regulations. Smoothest stock bike I have ever ridden, hands down.
Wonder what would happen if you put a arm on it and launch from a 60
That WOULD be great, wouldn't it 😉
Stupid Fast ! I Love it ! Electrification in Automobiles has proven that E power, makes STUPID Horsepower. I believe that using your tuning and ECU modification techniques, will you may be able to mod the power outputs.
1:00 Isn't that censoring.... 🤔 it may backfire big time at any time in future by any authority.... 🤷🏻 it's a far reaching power.... and it's on TH-cam now😮
You can call it censorship - I call it respect. It's not possible to have a positive, insightful conversation if one side has already made up their mind....
Can't wait to see it up against some fast ice bikes!
Great!!
Great vid, can’t wait to see more electric content
Hello brock
Max effort stock motor bikes usually run a shorter first gear like chris moore's gsxr1000 and ricky gadsons zx10 stock motor bikes
Is that possible to do on something like your swb s1000rr or is a shorter first gear overkill for swb even after all the mods and stability off the line that it has?😮
The bikes you mention have very tall 1st gears and long swingarms, so shortening the ratio works well. Since our bike is stock wheelbase, we need the taller gearing to help keep it on the ground.
The instant torque and the fact the bike doesnt roll when off throttle would make me terrified to ride this bike
The electronic controls makes that a non issue.
Hi Brook. Cool.vid as usual. I am really looking forward to you working on a ZX4RR
I like it but going that fast without being heard could be scary with so many distracted drivers on the road.
That's why God created race tracks 😉
@@BrockDavidson I'll definitely be in Maryland this year😀
Given the relationship between Ecell output and temperature, I would expect at least a temperature correction factor for the dyno (see Nernst equation).
You are correct. We actually picked up a sizable hp gain and small torque gain with an increase in the ambient temp. I'll try to take that into consideration moving forward.
Be a lot of damon ev bikes coming your way soon🏆 I’m always late to the party. I’m still stuck on a ZH2 and here you are on ev mode😅 well, hope you’ve got something for the 2023 ZH2. Awesome video
You guys are the best. Fornicate Under Consent (of) King the haters and keep up the awesome work.
Hitting the "GAS" is a term that is going to need to be changed when you have no gas.
I am looking forward to the electric motorcycle thing. I don't understand the issues people are having with them? I will not be giving up my ice anytime but a completely silent morning ride sounds great to me.
That being said they are not there with the range yet for me. I live to far from everything with the limited battery capacity.
Brock love the bike!!! Awesome
The moment he fed that throttle the whole bike hunched forward, thats some serious getup n boogey. I reckon a hybrid hydrogen bike would just be nuts, battery up to 80 mile then motor for the top end speed and distance.
Acceleration tests perhaps ? Should be decent...
Man. Why even have a front wheel?? LOLOL. 175 ft lbs at zero rpm (they can do that)!! Must be an absolute wheelie machine.
how much is the EGO ? and how long / miles can it go between charges? and how long to charge it?
Price is on their website. I'm not sure on miles as all of my riding has been like a hooligan. I keep it plugged in when not in use so it's always ready to go with a full charge when I need it.
The bike is actually an AC motor. The battery is DC, the inverter converts that to AC to drive the motor, control the speed etc etc.
Looks like I need to get more in depth in the manual...
Instant twurksss i love itt
Would like to see the American Made Lightning
sooo did u get a good deal? cause damn looks like a gotta have
It's a long term project, so I'll know at the end.
You're my master 👍👍
Hello Brock
Why arent you a turbo fan?
Lol, because I would out ride, out tune and out think the turbo guys....but they blew past me at the finish line anyway.
@@BrockDavidson I didn’t understand, put ride? I’m not a native English speaker, so maybe I’m losing something in the translation
type-o...out ride.
At the beginning of the episode I was like I wonder when he'll put us out of wheel bearings in it but you mentioned wheels. Laugh out loud I think. Besides ceramic bearings and weight reduction stuff, it'll be great to see who engineers aerodynamics and what other things they tried to engineer into it.
I guess being the first to engineer stuff on the models that will sell would probably be key.
It's an Italian motorcycle, so it's perfect when it leaves the factory as far as they are concerned. My job is to keep the American Muscle car experience going....just on a different platform, as far as I'm concerned.
@@BrockDavidson I love the sound of a cam to V8 engine. Trust me I understand. But there is a use for these electrics. I had a Volvo Hall Star for a month. It was a lot of fun. I'm not saying I would have it every day but I can understand the attraction to them.
@Jason Powell : Some people love the sound of a steam locomotive, the sound of a vinyl record playing or the click of a rotary phone - if you know what I mean?
Sick vid
Great video as always Mate👍, I want one 🚀 looks like it's #StupidFast 😉 New range of product line coming
Most MotoGP bikes have v4 engines for uneven firing order and those that have inline 4 use firing order of a half v8 engine. All riders prefer delivered torque that is smoother on the wheel. In these little gaps between sparks when accelerating wheel has a time to gain traction. Better throttle control and better drive of a corner. Electric bike should be even worth than that even firing inline 4. Just constant power on the rear wheel.
Hey, this was a great video of this project! For a long time I've really wondered how and what you could do to measure, analyze and tune electric powered bikes. This has been great to watch and listen for an ICE guy like me.
What kind of exhaust you sell for that?
The same one we will sell when they ALL go electric someday...
@@BrockDavidson gotta get my full penta carbon exhaust for my zx10 while I can then. 🫠
It would be nice to have data with a dragy on the real performance, to be able to make a good performance comparison and not an impression of the performance.
That's on the schedule also.
Brock - need to try a Damon Hypersport too
Maybe?
Im from n.y.c. how can I find this in the u.s.a.?
Check out Hudson Valley Motorcycles: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.hudsonvalleymotorcycles.com/inventory/v1/2020/Energica-Motor-Company-Inc/Motorcycles/Ego&ved=2ahUKEwjD4_iTqcGCAxWdmokEHT3HDy4QFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3nATAxzw32UsdT6lxIT_Bp
Street ET bracket killer !
For sure!!
Is it just as weird to ride as it is to watch? The lack of engine noise is just as strange sounding as I had imagined... But I definitely want to ride me. Lol
@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS - YES! It's a strange but exhilarating sensation. It's very difficult to explain in words...but my ass and gut know exactly what I'm talking about, lol!
@@BrockDavidson feel about like riding on a 300hp turbo bike?
@@TEAMWRIGHTEOUS lol, 350 HP...for a moment. Then big brother steps in BIG TIME 😔. But I'm trying to fix that 😉
@@BrockDavidson oh... It's restricted? Damn. Yeah I couldn't hardly see the dyno graph for it so I wasn't sure where it made what and how it fell off.
And sounds like I need to turn one of these things up a little more then. 250 is good, 300 is nice, haven't been above that yet. Sounds like fun 😂
@@BrockDavidson
Gday Brock, l think these things are awesome.
Sound, similar to Jay's jet bike, gotta love that, oh yeh, and that giggle of yours😂
Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it. Njoy.
I wanted one first time I read about them... A bit on the pricey side tho'.k
Missing left lever gives me anxiety.
Hi 👋
I have a question for you ✌🏍
Do you try to use a emf tester ( electro magnetic field) ?
Because the battery 🔋 on electric car literally give huge radiations to the people driving 🚗 it. All the way long.
Plus do you know how the bus or electric car burn Because of the battery?
I garantie you, 4 seconds and nothing left ...
Imagine to stop you and get down the vehicle before it burns you at legal speed 😳, it's impossible !
That's why, I will not ride this " technology " even if it's fantastic.
I like your work and enjoy your video 📹 😉.
Have a nice day 🌞
@Loïc BACQ - thank you for your honest input. I do have a radiation detector, and I will test under various operating conditions for a future episode.
Yes, I have seen the images of EV's burning and it certainly is a scary sight to see...That said, hard to control fires are a reality with ICE applications also. As a nitrous oxide fan, fire and even violent explosions are a reality that must be considered at all times. Here are a couple of my personal issues from a small (seemingly harmless) 750cc race bike.... This is with fuel injection and nitrous: th-cam.com/video/O3oL8eCzz1s/w-d-xo.html and this is with carbs and nitrous: th-cam.com/video/lQBWONx38ms/w-d-xo.html I wanted to "not ride this technology" either!! But instead, I focused more on safety and won the AMA Prostar #1 in the superbike class in 2000 against a field of far better funded teams.
@@BrockDavidson thanks 😊 for your answer ✌🏍.
This is a short video on tesla emf.
th-cam.com/video/YH9UN_B03Mc/w-d-xo.html.
0-150 in like 2 seconds? Haha 😂
I went on a ride with one of my buddies who has a gixxer. he was kind of smug, well... opened his eyes up real fast.
If you get one of these opened up, like their full racing bikes, it's just sick. TBH one of my biggest problems is keeping it on the ground, even being a pretty damned heavy bike, at almost 600 lbs, it's got so much torque that it'll want to pop up on you really fast if you are going to thump that throttle. Even doing 70 mph on the highway if you crank it, it'll want to wheelie if you thump it. Yes they ARE that powerful.
People Please STOP listening to the bullshit going back and forth about Electric .vs. ICE. Most those comments are from green tards or ICEholes, who are just there to spew their uninformed hate. All the crap you hear about how BAD electric is, back up 100 years or so in history and it was the exact same BULLSHIT that was said about those HORRIBLE ICE engines .vs. the loveable reliable, dependable horse and buggy.
Try to keep an open mind and realize that the tech is still evolving, it's new, but IS plenty viable and will only get better. Look how tempermental your cars were back in the 70's vs today, which about a guaranteed one turn start. Just as an example
I agree they seem pretty great. I believe when the price can come down some more and range go up a little bit is when you may seem a lot more adoption.
@@michaelfrock2473 The biggest problem which almost nobody is admitting is, our electric grid just can NOT handle a mass influx of electric cars charging. Especially places where they have a lot of electric heat, like the southern states, you get a cold night, and then want to throw 500 MWatt of cars charging, you are going to be in for a bad night.
California is another prime example. They can't keep the lights let alone the air conditioning running as it is now, and want to add gigs of car charging load? How you going to do that? Where is the power going to come from?
@@aarons7975 You are absolutely correct. I believe most people never think how electricity is made or have dealt with what happens in the summer when everyone is using the grid. At least we are off to a good start, I just hope the infrastructure can get ahead or at least keep up with future demand. Also I don't think most people also realize how long they need to keep their electric vehicle to offset the environmental cost of mining lithium.
@@michaelfrock2473 The grid problem is a bit more complex than just hanging a few extra wires. Think older subdivisions and neighborhoods. They were planned, DESIGNED, with xx electric load in mind. Now you are going to roughly double that. Transformers have to be replaced, going to up the voltage any decent amount? well now you have to change out all the insulators, and step downs etc etc.
Solar on houses works, because that real estate is already spoken for, your roof is essentially dead acreage, put it to use. otherwise just throwing miles of panels up on the landscape is a really bad idea. Most cities literally do not have enough square miles to put solar to power them even if they covered it 100 percent.
Carbon wheels long swinging arm and some of your lowering links 🤔
Yes on the wheels! Perhaps on the swingarm - definitely if we can derestrict. And, the bike doesn't have link suspension...but I'm working on a cure to lower.
It does look good though
Dang brother. The banned commenter must have been WAY out of line.
Looks like a Bimota Yamaha
No clutch master cyclinder
no shift lever either.
I would like to see more ev motos