TFL Rail - Class 315 vs Class 345 (Old vs New)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- The Class 345 entered service Mid-June...since then I have been trying to film it. It had been cancelled 3 times prior to this trip. I thought I would do an "Old vs New" type video because I have not seen one on these two units yet.
Also, I prefer the 315s simply because they are not plastic or generic.
![[Full Journey] Elizabeth line class 315 (Shenfield - Liverpool Street)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/q7ZPU94_L6Y/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Full Journey] Elizabeth line class 315 (Shenfield - Liverpool Street)](/img/tr.png)
Love the modern look of the 345s, great they're built in Britain too. Those 315s are extremely well kept though for their age and usage. Well done TFL rail and their operator.
Aiden Gill lol TFL is their operator
Nope, MTR is the operator. TfL just regulate the service. London Overground also isn't ran by TfL, it's actually ran by Arriva but regulated by TfL
I can agree with the 315 statement, but not the 345. I don't like the way they look, and I certainly am not a fan of the black front!
southwest455 The 315s are showing their age now, there’s no way that they’re fit for a 21st century service. The 345s on the other hand have the capacity to operate the kind of service that Crossrail will be. IMO the 345s look quite sleek and any other colour on the front would likely look wrong with the livery, especially yellow.
Considering the 345s will be like tube trains for some of their E-line journies, they are following tube styling with no yellow (it could be coincidence). Obviously it’s black as the regulationsno longer require them, but yellow wouldn’t work with the units.
Class 345 cuz I like the looks (especially at the front of train)
I think it would be even better if instead of black it had the generic yellow stripe on the front
The 345's needed: 1) better announcements 2)usb ports 3)comfier seats 4)toilets
Ethano williamo usb ports? Why on earth would they NEED usb ports. There is ZERO need for them on trains.
Chris Dans usb ports to charge your phone. People can easily spend 1hour+ on these trains if they live in reading and work in Canary wharf etc. Electric buses used on the 507 and 521 have usb ports, refurbished x26 buses have usb ports
Alot of national rail trains have usb ports and tfl announced new DLR trains with usb ports so why do these trains (which will probably be in use until around 2050) not have the basic necessity of usb ports
What? They dont even have toilets! That is ridiculousd
you should know! Only on intercity, Regional or even on express journeys are possible to see the toilet but you can also go to the toilet on station toilet just before train arrives! is that right to you! and also i can understand these announcements you guys just got ringing ears!! when train comes! dont be jealous!
Ethano williamo oh ok, well ive been charging my phone on trains for many many years already. The main line trains have been equiped for that for ages...
It's the 345 for me. Nice video!
315 all the way
The seats on class 345 ARE ROCK HARD
I heard that the class 700 have the worst seats out of all British trains, anyways all modern trains have hard seats
The commuter trains in malaysia have the same type of seat too but strangely i dont find it uncomfortable
The London overground trains to Cheshunt Chingford and Enfield all use the same type of train as the old TFL rail, only their interior consists of orange handlebars and faded orange/brown seats. I want to know where TFL get there faded seats to put in regenerated trains as the greater anglia interior is a much darker blue.
I also think that more could be done to make the carriages more spacious and more accessible on the aforementioned overground line as the Stratford to Richmond or Clapham junction line has loads of new clean and spacious trains. The seats should also be higher so you can rest your head on them. Still, at least they are not as thin as the class 700 on SWR or Thameslink
Class 345 anytime also class 315 because its in family of class 313, 314, and 317
I like the new ones
You know the start that one looks like the Midlands trains from Marylebone (national train)
I would prefer the 345, but the longitudinal seating is awful. it's the main reason i don't use the Overground tbh. You can't have a railway that runs long distances over ground that doesn't let you see out! its horrible! at least these trains don't have the postbox windows of the Overground trains. I can understand the spaces for wheelchairs, but the other longitudinal seats are really pointless and space inefficient (seating 3 in the space of 4). One could argue you can stand more in that space, but from experience on the Metropolitan Line at the absolute worst times of the day, it never, EVER gets that bad, and if it does, you can be guaranteed that a small amount of extra standing room isn't going to help (look at the Central Line).
315 because it is still able to run along the tracks and would be able to for a lot longer, and it has an awesome traction motor.
I like the 345, there are the screens that display announcements, the map of the line, etc. It also just feels mroe modern but I will miss the sound of the 315.
Just so you know, the seats that are in pairs (or threes), at 90 degrees to the windows are transverse seating, as opposed to longitudinal.
Miss them trains but I think the new 345 might be better
345 for service and reliability and speed and looks
315 for everything else
The 315 reminds me of the 1973 stock.
i agree
1973 stock is 44 years old but class 315, 37 years but it reminds of 1973TS
It sounds like one too
Sean Lecca of course the look, modern trains have good looks.
My question is: when they switch out all of the 315s for the 345s, can’t they just put the leftover trains onto Northern UK railways to replace those pacer trains?
315 is nicer because they sound like a class 507 and class 508 and i love the 314 as well
The 315 has a more lower and a louder sound motor as it slowly accelerates, especially in the motor coach. The others don't have that low motor noise
Ok so now were judging which train is better because of their sound now?
I'm not that keen on the new stock 345's, for the following reasons:
The seating is far to hard, and the train has the feel of a tube train, as the continual announcements of "please mind the gap between the train and platform" were not prudent, as was, most platforms were widened to take the new stock. In that case, the trains should have wider foot plates fitted. The trains have irritating cold areas due to air-conditioning, so I had to move from seat to seat on my journey. I dislikes those forward-facing seats two set seats as uncomfortable.
"Via Stratford" was not needed when leaving Liverpool Street, as the journey was not via Cambridge Heath. Disliked the door buzzing, and preferred the 1980's 315 EMU's due to the softer seats and warmth of years of use, and will be a sad day when they are moved on.
Yes, the new trains are bright and airy, great modern feel, but add nothing new, other than walk through carriages, most of what you heard were gimmicks, and needed modifying. 10 out of 10?. I give the 345's 7 out of 10.
It is a TfL run service, soon to be absorbed into the Elizabeth Line and Crossrail was originally planned out as a joint British Rail and London Transport run service, so the 345s were bound to have similarities/specifications with the Tube. Plus there are TfL/London Underground safety regulations they have to adhere to as the trains will run through deep level tunnels and stations when the line fully opens.
I remember the 315's replacing the 310's ! I remember thinking what a sad day this is ! No more horse hair and sprung seats, no more slam doors, it was a very poor replacement, but they are so antiquated themselves now.
Hi great video of the class 345 and do you know what time that leaves London Liverpool Street in the morning.
on weekdays it runs the 1035 and 1235...
on saturday it runs the 1156
no service on sunday :)
Thank you also do you know any good places to get some good photos of the class 345 and the 315 because I am down in London next.
I think Shenfield is a nice for taking pictures of the trains side by side...
I'm not too sure about anywhere else ;)
Ok thank you
I like the 315 cus the seating is great and it's more classic and quiet
So is the 345
@@ewanohun8124 no
345s boi
Hi
Old is best Still a good Reliable work horse that can be used for many years to come there is no problems wit them
I say 315 it has better seats design and nice sound closing door and the nice colors of 315 and the acceleration and the motor sound.
The reason why class 315 sounds like hong kong mlr train is because they use similar motor
i like the 345
315 feels more like a proper commuter train rather then a tube train.
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rip overground being replaced with 710
There not gonna be replaced just the 172s,315s and 317s will be replace.
Use the 317s in TfL rail if there's class 317 TfL rail
I like the 315's because the are more comfortable. Also, they remind me of my Grandma before she died when she lived in Seven Kings.
Miles Bown I hope your grandma is having fun in heaven.
RIP don't worry
345 much more sleeker.
Many new trains have seats that are not as comfortable because of safety regulations.
Grown up with the 315, too oldschool now they are.
I like both
I like the 315 more because I can see out the window and I won’t fall back looking for the class 317,s out on the main line
I wish there would at least be one class 315 when crossrail opens. I miss that thing
The 345 will be on London Underground
The Class 345 will run on Crossrail when it opens in 2k18.
For now it runs alongside 315s on TFL Rail...
Tina Hymers rfy
345 is not a tube and also crossrail is not an underground line it WILL have tunnels under central london
lol 64 new class 345 are currently being built to replace class 315
Allan Sheldrake Stop being rude to TFL! TFL Rail wont use class 315 anymore if bombardier builds new 64 class 345
The class 315's traction motor sounds exactly like the old East rail line trains (known locally as MLRs) here in Hong Kong, maybe they're cousins!
A number of Hong Kong metro trains were actually made by Metro-Cammell in the UK so they have the same Brush Traction motors
The Class 345s are also the new Crossrail/Elisabeth Line trains
Thats the video, old vs new
I like the class 345.
345
315 should be introduced up north after electrification
What more old crap for the North? No way. The North should get new trains.
Well its much better than the pacer and new trains take a lot of planning and then manufacturing so they might as well get a 315 than continue using buses
TheLemonizer, Why should the North, Wales and the South West get old trains. They should get new trains like London, not old cast offs. The Class 315 is 40 years old. Replace Pacers with new trains not old life expired stock.
The North is already getting new trains in the form of the 331s, and even then as a temporary solution Northern are using more modern 319s from Thameslink
um the 319s arn't temporary.
Class 345 needs: Toilets, Better Seats and Announcements and USB ports.
Dude, If they had the toilet room, then the 345 will crash, Also, They Already have announcements. Those announcments sounded loud, nice, and new!
I like 315
The only thing good about the crossrail 345 is it looks good. The 315 is everything else.
I’m not a fan of walk through carriages at all I think it’s just the thought that if a fire breaks out there’s nowhere to separate yourself from the coach that’s on fire. Apart from that still prefer the old units any day of the week
I reckon the one of the 315 will be restored in its original British Rail blue and grey livery to mark the farewell gesture of these units. The class 315s could be permanently withdrawn & probably scrapped due to thier age.
No, they are probably going to Wales
they are 37 years old now
William Webb I imagine one 315 will be repainted back into the good old classic BR blue and grey whilst another unit will be repainted into the toothpaste NSE livery to mark its farewell (as you said).
I’ve been on TFL 345 but on LU 315. I prefer both.
I did like the new feel and aesthetics of the 345 but the the 315 seemed faster and more robust. Tough choice but i agree the 315 just pips it for me
0:50 i can hear the announcements just fine? if anything it’s better than the old trains since the new trains have better recordings and it’s more sound proof than the old ones making it more clearer
Class 345
Wish the 355s had a flatter front , I prefer the flat fronts anyway, but the body looks similar to a 465 which Is why i like it
I have never been on a 345 but I have seen them at Ilford Depot when going past on a class 315
I like tfl
The 315's sound amazing when you're right next to one!
At least the new trains employ the correct announcement: "This is the train TO ..... " whereas the older train using the "This is the train FOR....."
Ugh! Creeps me out when they say "For...."
Class 315 says this is the train for because its old looking and needs to be withdrawn because when class 345 says this is train to... to understand more better
Toilets are in some stations anyway but if you take a break to go to restroom you will miss the train
What was the point of even putting a moquette if its rock hard?
8:57 is that a 455in the London overground livery?
Class 317 in London Overground livery, I don't think there are any 455s in London Overground livery, haha!
oh from that view it looked like a 455 lol
It's a 317 you dumbo
Congrats on 300 subs
Thanks Dan 👍
I personally don't like longitudinal seating on anything other than short-hop trains because they force most people to stand for extended periods as soon as things get moderately busy. That purple upholstery looks tacky as well.
That said I'm sure the air con will be welcomed on hot summer days. Whats going to happen to the 315s? They seem much too good to scrap!
Who knows but they are old, about 40 years old. They have a maximum speed of 75 mph. As South Wales electrification has been postponed, it is most likely they will be scrapped.
Hopefully the 315s will be kept
Hoepfully they will but NOT for Crossrail.
New
I like the 315 because there engine sounds nice and the 345 is like almost to me the same as the class 315 engine also overground has its own 315
motor*
Fact* new legislations means that National Rail trains no longer need a yellow front thats why the front is black
I like both of those trains. Sure the 345s are horrible and the 315s maybe old. But i still like both! Don't hate me please..... :(
I don't like longitudinal seats. And the 315's were first used on the network back in 1981! That makes them 37 years old !
What's the difference between peak times and off peak
well toilets are not included in my new favorite train anyway!
ill miss the 315s
indeed...
well i will miss it too. but class 315 is still good even when it has 37 years
What happened
I prefer the 345 trains
I like both to Be honest
this video what says seats are rocks because they want get alot of items more stayable because they will fall when its comfy
no 315 we must NOT delete it
This is a train to, Shet e field
to shenfield
._. the train says it like that are you stupid.
im not stupid! announce is a bit saying other words but it still says shenfield dont be silly
You have terrible English. Go take English classes! And also, I know it is Shenfield which makes you more stupid.
........ i. have. good. english. its time for report hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha REVENGE!
i went on the Heathrow branch Paddington to Hayes
345's are terrible but they're needed for the tunnels. Otherwise I'd almost certainly go with the 315.
hmm I like both but personally prefer 315s
is the announcment voice the same lady who did the London overground 378 ans 172
for the 345
I think it is!
It Is, Her Name Is Emma Hignett She Also Voices The Buses, The Overground And The DLR On The Approach To Stratford,
Class 345 is from MTR
I'd massively prefer the class 315
I think i got a one in a million bad apple with the 315 i went on it stunk. badly.
Why is everyone against 315 class? I kinda like both.
the class 345 and the class 315
I realy can't stand this comment section. think of it from a logical perspective obviously the 345 is the superior train I mean that's kind of whole point in building new trains so that they do a better job than their older counterparts. and this whole the class 315 sound better bullshit isn't even close to a valid argument who actually gives a shit about what giant hunk of metal on wheels sounds like. in order for the railways to function their needs to be constant improvements take Japan for example.
ANIMANIAK -_- Well I prefer the class 315
but its still old and sound like piccadilly line 1973 stock
ANIMANIAK -_- you know your basically on a train spotter channel right??? Just checking because it doesn't seem like it
Nope. The 345 needs:
USB ports
Toilets
Better Announcements
Softer Seats
Definitely 345/
Old vs new
Latitudinal? I think you mean "lateral"! Nice video though!
Off course 345 has better seating it has a little destination thing and it like the overground / on chingford - Liverpool Street
I'll take a second hand 315 for use on northern rail thankyou
This line will become partly underground, thats why the class345 seats location is different
But the seats really need more soft and improve the announcement
addison Shiu do you know that Geoff said Crossrail is not an underground line? but it will have tunnels through central london
You are joking. He said it will be partly underground. Not a bloody underground line!
I like the voices on the 345s if only they dont stutter :/
2:19 lol
They testing the crossrail trains
I like 345 instead
315
Old
Can’t see why they’re replacing the 315s they still work do they not? Do they breakdown all the time?
I like tfl
old, nostalga
I prefer Class 345
315s have better seats imo
Awful trains in my opinion. Not a fan of the 345s :/ I saw a 315 on Friday but it was not in service and i dont know where it was going, shame otherwise i would have tried to get on it
i reported this film for getting me uncomfy with watching it!! sorry southwest455
Kacper Frankowski Stop reporting people okay. What did this video do NOTHING WRONG!!! Just stop It Kacper
Kacper Frankowski Well you didn't have to watch it did you?🙄
I perfer both class 345 and 315
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nah its ato
lol his comment got removed immedately
Ur so annoying