@@lamonstra1464 He wasn't the first, he won't be the last, and if you have more than three neurons in your brain, you'd figure out anything pointy is best for piercing a kevlar weave. I'd use 5.7×28mm. Or a rifle. And forbidden knowledge is a stupid concept, anyway. And now that I think about it, he mostly tested obscure, Soviet calibers. Your typical violent criminal isn't going to be packing something loaded with 7.62×25 Tokarev or 5.45×18. A criminal carrying that probably speaks Russian. Why would a thug get an old Soviet pistol when he could get a cheaper gun that he can find ammo for? Do you know what those idiots call hollow points? "Cop killers." Hollow points are the worst thing you can shoot at a police officer, they'll just mushroom on the kevlar vest. I doubt he did much harm.
Fun fact with the proper license/fees you can still own light artillery in the US. Of course if you have explosive shells my understanding is that each one is treated as a separate device and one must go through the process to get a destructive device for each which includes a $200 tax per device.
Light? You can own artillery period lol There is a Russian D-20 152mm howitzer owned by the how ridiculous boys on their ranch. We have tanks with their guns still operating and a 75mm Pak40 and those are just the ones I can think of. Most use solid shot to avoid the ridiculous tax crap.
Fascinating. I knew nothing of this but William Randolph Hurst was the inspiration for Orson Welles' film Citizen Kane (1941). My great grandfather Colinson Owen, was a writer and journalist who had previously edited The Balkan News for the British army on the Salonika front and before that for Lord Northcliffe of Daily Mail fame, worked for Hurst. In Owen's 1929 book The American Illusion he recounts amongst other things, of how he played table tennis with him. Hurst was by then the richest man in the world.
Fascinating. One thing though, Hearst was never the richest man in the world. That was John D Rockefeller, history's first billionaire. Hearst was, in part, the inspiration for Charles Foster Kane, but not the only one. Using Hearst's nickname for his mistress' private parts enraged Hearst to the point that he killed the movie and sidelined Welles' Hollywood career.
Hearst is the reason that there is a phrase called "Yellow Journalism." The very first comic strip as we know them today was called "Hogan's Alley" by Richard F. Outcault that started in about 1896 in a Hearst paper. It's main character was the Yellow Kid named Mickey Dugan. He was an Irish New York slum resident who wore a long yellow nightshirt and what he had to say was printed on the nightshirt. Hearst, in his promotion of the war with Spain was depicted as the Yellow Kid with various sayings on his own yellow nightshirt meant to be satirically what he said about the war. One example is, "Every millionaire that don't want to go to war has to get a pass from the journal (I've got one.") The Journal was one of his papers.
Please look into the USS Vesuvius also a Spanish American war vessel that possessed a very interesting main battery of 3 forward facing main "air guns"
Just a thought, The distilling use is logical if they had thought large numbers of troops were to be deployed all needing fresh water during a long campaign. The biggest killer of troops in that era was usually disease (the Crimean war for instance was less than 50 years before this).
@@WALTERBROADDUS But on board a ship it would be more defensible. The native infrastructure would always be a target, and so would any US-built facility. Not saying that was the logic here, just pointing out from one standpoint it would make sense.
Boil the water perhaps? By that time microbiology was understood well enough that telling the troops to boil their water before drinking wouldn't be such a difficult task...after all, they still had to eat and likely had pots and fires to do all this
@@captaindusty4884 During the civil war coffee was a rather common drink for soldiers in the field. And in order to make it you need to boil the water first.
A ship capable of providing clean, safe water is handy during an amphibious operation. The local water supply must be considered as suspect, and the landing troops need dependable water to keep healthy. When the British invaded the Crimea in 1854, the landed Army troops depended on local water, which soon became polluted, causing an outbreak of Cholera that cost the Army more men than the Russians did, (British sailors used water distilled on the steam powered war ships, and avoided the Cholera epidemic) . When the British landed at Gallipoli in 1915, once again the landing force relied on local water supplies, and dysentery put more men out of action than the Turks did. During the 1982 Falklands War, the Royal Marine force that went overland to take Stanly suffered from dysentery because their Helicopters were lost with the sinking of the SS Atlantic Conveyor. That forced them to walk overland, and with no water purification gear, dysentery became rampant. Arm Chair Generals talk Strategy and Tactics, but real Generals talk Logistics, and clean, safe water is part of Logistics. That's why the US Marine Corps has Water Purification units, When I was active, Water Purification was part of the Engineers.
Heck, I took a week vacation from central Massachusetts to upstate New York (south of Rochester), and drinking tap water gave me weeks of galloping diarrhea. You don't need to drink untreated water, or even water from a different country to have negative effects. just change watersheds or get water from a source with bad pipes of contents that your body is not used to. For me, it was the high content of sulfur compounds in the New York groundwater from the mines in the area, on top of whatever biota I was not inured to.
@@fusioncannon Santiago was talking about XIX century(he didnt want to write here a year with roman numerals) when people in USA was free and there was no income taxes("The United States imposed income taxes briefly during the Civil War and the 1890s. In 1913, the 16th Amendment was ratified, permanently legalizing an income tax."). Citizens was treated like adults and if you needed wepond you could have it, government monopol and regulations for crap like that start started in XX century.
I mean, I would argue that light artillery should still be available on the civilian market. Or at the very least something capable of making the Fed second guess any questionable decisions.
I want to be like that guy in Snow Crash (By Neal Stephenson) who has a nuclear warhead in his motorcycle sidecar, wired to a deadman's switch implanted in his brain. When I check out, so does everyone else... (Yes this is satire)
please do the MV San Demetrio a British motor tanker during the Second World War. She was the subject of a 1943 feature film, San Demetrio London, and was hit 7 times by the Admiral Scheer
Q&A: Since we're talking about small arms, do you happen to know if warship crews from the early to mid 20th century ever had a stash of rifles, handguns, and/or other similar weapons in case of emergency? Since the issue of the enemy boarding the ship was pretty much out of the question by this point in naval warfare, did the ships still carry small arms and if so, what kind and how many? Especially interested if Submarine crews did this. Thanks!
Yes! Naval ships then and now carry small arms. And actually ship boarding is back as a active activity. While most weapons are for ship security. Many are used in counter piracy and counter drug operations. This is called VBSS duty. th-cam.com/video/0vXJFU4h7DM/w-d-xo.html
"Light artillery being something you could buy as a civilian in 1900s america" - You obviously havnt been to america...ever. Light artillery is STILL something you could buy as a civilian
Q&A Are you going to review the luxury cruisers of the various Navy (wink - if I am remembering correctly)? As I recall a number of luxury liners of the battleship era were in classified as cruisers so they could get building funds and the navies could use then in war time without much legal ease.......
wcweathe The LUSITANIA was such a vessel. Funded in part by the British government and designed from the start to carry guns (that is, there were installation hard points in the design, but the ship had never been fitted with them). The caveat was that the Royal Navy could commandeer the ship at any time for use as a troop and supply ship; this likely would have been done had the ship not been sunk.
When the Maine was raised a not long ago it showed signs of there being an undetected fire and it is thought that it was this which caused the explosion.
The first USS Niagara has been replicated as a museum ship, with a few pieces of the original incorporated into it. This may dispel some confusion about how the color photograph shown at 0:20 to 0:25 was obtained for a ship that was launched in 1813. No animals or time lines were harmed in the production of this video. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Niagara_(1813)
#Drachinifel - where'd you get that picture at 2:30?!?? If memory serves, it's by one Xanthus Smith, who - based on the number of jacks he painted - never saw a ship that wasn't moored!
Hell, right now, after 1,5 year in the UK, I'm totally struck by how far the english pronunciation of the name is different from what I've learned for at least 20 years...
#Q&A which treaty battleship do you feel was the best? King George V or South Dakota? I've seen opinions claiming either was better but was curious as to your opinion
Of course no one in the navy would have ever used this ships distillery for anything but water...… right? I mean, what else can you distil other than water?
@@boreasreal5911 Rest of the world belongs to Europe eh? Anything new their racist colonizing white people! XD But no seriously you Euro trash can keep the 3rd world, your tv license, and commie "metric" system, I'm perefectly happy with my freedom and double quarter pounders.
"Oh water boy", that sounds like the same logic as a certain democrat congressman used a couple of years ago when he was seriously (and publicly) worried about the island of Guam "TIPPING OVER" because the Navy had so much equipment there. l believe someone took his (the congressman's) crayons and showed him there was nothing to worry about. lt's amazing who we send to Washington. And yes , that is a true story.
Re the snarky comment about water in Cuba, The needs of an army corps of thousands are quite different from that of a few hundred natives, Second, you might want to purify any water available locally to avoid things like amoebic dysentery (you shit yourself to death). The USN operated four distilling ships (AW's) to support the amphibious campaign in the Pacific in WW2shipscribe.com/usnaux/AW/AWtype.html
The channel Forgotten Weapons did a video on the Remington Rolling Block rifles that were issued to the Niagara.
That's where the idea came from
not a big fan, since Ian did a video about what pistol ammo defeats body armor (1st responder here)
several years ago.
@iamonstra why is that bad?
@@lamonstra1464 He wasn't the first, he won't be the last, and if you have more than three neurons in your brain, you'd figure out anything pointy is best for piercing a kevlar weave. I'd use 5.7×28mm. Or a rifle. And forbidden knowledge is a stupid concept, anyway.
And now that I think about it, he mostly tested obscure, Soviet calibers. Your typical violent criminal isn't going to be packing something loaded with 7.62×25 Tokarev or 5.45×18. A criminal carrying that probably speaks Russian. Why would a thug get an old Soviet pistol when he could get a cheaper gun that he can find ammo for? Do you know what those idiots call hollow points? "Cop killers." Hollow points are the worst thing you can shoot at a police officer, they'll just mushroom on the kevlar vest. I doubt he did much harm.
Fun fact with the proper license/fees you can still own light artillery in the US. Of course if you have explosive shells my understanding is that each one is treated as a separate device and one must go through the process to get a destructive device for each which includes a $200 tax per device.
Oh I love my nation.
Merica!!!
Light? You can own artillery period lol There is a Russian D-20 152mm howitzer owned by the how ridiculous boys on their ranch. We have tanks with their guns still operating and a 75mm Pak40 and those are just the ones I can think of. Most use solid shot to avoid the ridiculous tax crap.
So in other words, still cheaper than what the Navy pays per shell. XD
Just another reason to repeal the NFA. 200 is too much.
I want some light artillery too! I have a neighbor who won't trim his trees. I would like to encourage him! LOL
You can still buy them in US. Though you need to register it as a destructive device and ammo will be EXPENSIVE.
Load grapeshot, and you can trim those trees from the comfort of your own lawn.
Shotguns are basically "light artillery"....
@@rahbaralhaq not if you use a blackpowder cannon type weapon and use non exploding shells.
You joke, but my hoosier ass uncle trimmed a tree with a shotgun once. Took him a while, but he did it.
Fascinating. I knew nothing of this but William Randolph Hurst was the inspiration for Orson Welles' film Citizen Kane (1941).
My great grandfather Colinson Owen, was a writer and journalist who had previously edited The Balkan News for the British army on the Salonika front and before that for Lord Northcliffe of Daily Mail fame, worked for Hurst. In Owen's 1929 book The American Illusion he recounts amongst other things, of how he played table tennis with him. Hurst was by then the richest man in the world.
Fascinating. One thing though, Hearst was never the richest man in the world. That was John D Rockefeller, history's first billionaire.
Hearst was, in part, the inspiration for Charles Foster Kane, but not the only one. Using Hearst's nickname for his mistress' private parts enraged Hearst to the point that he killed the movie and sidelined Welles' Hollywood career.
Hearst is the reason that there is a phrase called "Yellow Journalism." The very first comic strip as we know them today was called "Hogan's Alley" by Richard F. Outcault that started in about 1896 in a Hearst paper. It's main character was the Yellow Kid named Mickey Dugan. He was an Irish New York slum resident who wore a long yellow nightshirt and what he had to say was printed on the nightshirt. Hearst, in his promotion of the war with Spain was depicted as the Yellow Kid with various sayings on his own yellow nightshirt meant to be satirically what he said about the war. One example is, "Every millionaire that don't want to go to war has to get a pass from the journal (I've got one.") The Journal was one of his papers.
Please look into the USS Vesuvius also a Spanish American war vessel that possessed a very interesting main battery of 3 forward facing main "air guns"
It's on the list, a bit of way down, but there nonetheless!
Oh, that "dynamite ship", the is a model of it in the USN museum. Do you need a picture?
There is an island near Newburgh NY called Bannerman's Island and my father remwmbered recieving sales catalogs from the firm
I used to live in Poughkeepsie and have seen Bannerman's Island many times. I always wished I had a friend with a boat so I could visit it.
Just a thought, The distilling use is logical if they had thought large numbers of troops were to be deployed all needing fresh water during a long campaign. The biggest killer of troops in that era was usually disease (the Crimean war for instance was less than 50 years before this).
Logistically, easier to do water purification on land. Rather than haul it from ship.
@@WALTERBROADDUS But on board a ship it would be more defensible. The native infrastructure would always be a target, and so would any US-built facility. Not saying that was the logic here, just pointing out from one standpoint it would make sense.
@@xaenon Well... Fresh water is useful. Just perhaps in the wrong location. At US possession like Midway or Wake Island it could be really useful.
Boil the water perhaps? By that time microbiology was understood well enough that telling the troops to boil their water before drinking wouldn't be such a difficult task...after all, they still had to eat and likely had pots and fires to do all this
@@captaindusty4884 During the civil war coffee was a rather common drink for soldiers in the field. And in order to make it you need to boil the water first.
Fun fact: you can *still* buy light artillery in the US if you have enough money, patience, and determination.
Given this was Hearst, the crew is lucky the ship didn't have a huge bomb in the hull for a slow news day.
wasn't it him that said "You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”
A ship capable of providing clean, safe water is handy during an amphibious operation. The local water supply must be considered as suspect, and the landing troops need dependable water to keep healthy. When the British invaded the Crimea in 1854, the landed Army troops depended on local water, which soon became polluted, causing an outbreak of Cholera that cost the Army more men than the Russians did, (British sailors used water distilled on the steam powered war ships, and avoided the Cholera epidemic) . When the British landed at Gallipoli in 1915, once again the landing force relied on local water supplies, and dysentery put more men out of action than the Turks did. During the 1982 Falklands War, the Royal Marine force that went overland to take Stanly suffered from dysentery because their Helicopters were lost with the sinking of the SS Atlantic Conveyor. That forced them to walk overland, and with no water purification gear, dysentery became rampant. Arm Chair Generals talk Strategy and Tactics, but real Generals talk Logistics, and clean, safe water is part of Logistics. That's why the US Marine Corps has Water Purification units, When I was active, Water Purification was part of the Engineers.
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Heck, I took a week vacation from central Massachusetts to upstate New York (south of Rochester), and drinking tap water gave me weeks of galloping diarrhea.
You don't need to drink untreated water, or even water from a different country to have negative effects. just change watersheds or get water from a source with bad pipes of contents that your body is not used to.
For me, it was the high content of sulfur compounds in the New York groundwater from the mines in the area, on top of whatever biota I was not inured to.
Another odd corner of history that does so much to shed light on that period.
A guilded ship for the Guilded Age!
You can still buy artillery in the US, 'Merica! Search, "the big sandy shoot"
I have one of the rolling block rifles in my collection.
So Citizen Kane owned a warship... The XIX was an intresting time.
MCM
@@fusioncannon what?
@@santiago5388 1900
@@fusioncannon Santiago was talking about XIX century(he didnt want to write here a year with roman numerals) when people in USA was free and there was no income taxes("The United States imposed income taxes briefly during the Civil War and the 1890s. In 1913, the 16th Amendment was ratified, permanently legalizing an income tax."). Citizens was treated like adults and if you needed wepond you could have it, government monopol and regulations for crap like that start started in XX century.
Should've called the ship _Rosebud._
I mean, I would argue that light artillery should still be available on the civilian market. Or at the very least something capable of making the Fed second guess any questionable decisions.
I want to be like that guy in Snow Crash (By Neal Stephenson) who has a nuclear warhead in his motorcycle sidecar, wired to a deadman's switch implanted in his brain. When I check out, so does everyone else...
(Yes this is satire)
@@nerd1000ify A book I have oft heard about from my boss but I still need to actually read. Yet one more onto the mountain of recommendations for it.
The cartridge that the Remington rolling blocks were chambered in was 7mm Mauser, a cartridge the Spanish were using at the time.
please do the MV San Demetrio a British motor tanker during the Second World War. She was the subject of a 1943 feature film, San Demetrio London,
and was hit 7 times by the Admiral Scheer
First! Please do French Submarine Surcouf!
a sub with heavy crusier gun lol
@@themythicalfire809 and a scout plane!
Q&A:
Since we're talking about small arms, do you happen to know if warship crews from the early to mid 20th century ever had a stash of rifles, handguns, and/or other similar weapons in case of emergency? Since the issue of the enemy boarding the ship was pretty much out of the question by this point in naval warfare, did the ships still carry small arms and if so, what kind and how many? Especially interested if Submarine crews did this. Thanks!
Yes! Naval ships then and now carry small arms. And actually ship boarding is back as a active activity. While most weapons are for ship security. Many are used in counter piracy and counter drug operations. This is called VBSS duty. th-cam.com/video/0vXJFU4h7DM/w-d-xo.html
"Light artillery being something you could buy as a civilian in 1900s america" - You obviously havnt been to america...ever. Light artillery is STILL something you could buy as a civilian
Back then it was at a whole 'nother level. Look up 'Bannerman's Castle' when you need a chuckle.
Q&A Are you going to review the luxury cruisers of the various Navy (wink - if I am remembering correctly)? As I recall a number of luxury liners of the battleship era were in classified as cruisers so they could get building funds and the navies could use then in war time without much legal ease.......
wcweathe The LUSITANIA was such a vessel. Funded in part by the British government and designed from the start to carry guns (that is, there were installation hard points in the design, but the ship had never been fitted with them). The caveat was that the Royal Navy could commandeer the ship at any time for use as a troop and supply ship; this likely would have been done had the ship not been sunk.
You can, in fact, buy light artillery in the Unites States as a private citizen today! It just requires a bit more paperwork than it did in 1898.
Forgotten Weapons has a video on one of the rifles bought to equip Niagra's crew.
When the Maine was raised a not long ago it showed signs of there being an undetected fire and it is thought that it was this which caused the explosion.
How this "signs" looks like? What detection of an fire do to the stuff that are burning?:P
Great video.
And her sister ship, USS Viagra. Notably, the Viagra was the only known effective counter any navy at the time had to the SS Kamchatka.
The first USS Niagara has been replicated as a museum ship, with a few pieces of the original incorporated into it.
This may dispel some confusion about how the color photograph shown at 0:20 to 0:25 was obtained for a ship that was launched in 1813. No animals or time lines were harmed in the production of this video. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Niagara_(1813)
Fascinating. 🖖
#Drachinifel - where'd you get that picture at 2:30?!?? If memory serves, it's by one Xanthus Smith, who - based on the number of jacks he painted - never saw a ship that wasn't moored!
Unlike the water sources of the locals you can put a distilling plant closer to all your thirsty troops.
Hell, right now, after 1,5 year in the UK, I'm totally struck by how far the english pronunciation of the name is different from what I've learned for at least 20 years...
A time when the news media and the rich mettle in U.S. politics & war. Now we know that couldn't possibly happen today. (g)
Lol ok
You can still buy artillery in the US. Just have to pass the NFA background check.
#Q&A which treaty battleship do you feel was the best? King George V or South Dakota? I've seen opinions claiming either was better but was curious as to your opinion
South Dakota. The 16 inch guns seal it for me but also the unreliability of the KGV's 14 inch quads.
... and yet there are quite a few places in the world today whose water supply is solved with distilling plants, like Dubai for instance...
Can you do a video on the Maine itself?
Sure
Of course no one in the navy would have ever used this ships distillery for anything but water...… right? I mean, what else can you distil other than water?
Could you please state the Metric measurements in addition to the Imperial ones?
You could do your own converting? This is a 5 min video. Now you want to complicate things..... Breakout your calculator. 😑
>Metric
Son we don't use that commie euro hippy trash round here! State your measurements in In, Ft, and Lbs. Like a REAL man! MAGA!
@@TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN it seems that the entire world belongs to Europe now, nice
@@boreasreal5911 Rest of the world belongs to Europe eh? Anything new their racist colonizing white people! XD But no seriously you Euro trash can keep the 3rd world, your tv license, and commie "metric" system, I'm perefectly happy with my freedom and double quarter pounders.
Could add conversions in text if that would help.
The Navy should have used it for gunnery practice.
Do PT-73 both real and fictional.
For info on the real boat. www.navsource.org/archives/12/05073.htm
Maybe they feared getting sick from the water in Cuba?
"Oh water boy", that sounds like the same logic as a certain democrat congressman used a couple of years ago when he was seriously (and publicly) worried about the island of Guam "TIPPING OVER" because the Navy had so much equipment there. l believe someone took his (the congressman's) crayons and showed him there was nothing to worry about. lt's amazing who we send to Washington. And yes , that is a true story.
They obviously drank booze all day
Re the snarky comment about water in Cuba, The needs of an army corps of thousands are quite different from that of a few hundred natives, Second, you might want to purify any water available locally to avoid things like amoebic dysentery (you shit yourself to death). The USN operated four distilling ships (AW's) to support the amphibious campaign in the Pacific in WW2shipscribe.com/usnaux/AW/AWtype.html
I think his snark was due to the ships purpose being entirely suspect at the time.
Rosebud........
2:30 why is that ladys butt hanging out?
Dude you must join IRONCLADS AND IRONMEN on Facebook.
Is that a group?
Drachinifel yes sir i created it. Please come check it out. If your not already joined.