A medieval cloak TENT?! Camping and sleeping for the Medieval Adventurer

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  • In this episode of Functional Fandom Kramer shows us some brilliant ways a medieval adventure might camp and sleep when traversing the wilderness!
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  • @TheCraziestFox
    @TheCraziestFox ปีที่แล้ว +1207

    Reenactment sleeping 101:
    Padded armor = instant pillow.
    Wool cloak = worth every penny.

    • @_Church_
      @_Church_ ปีที่แล้ว +114

      Just another reason gambeson would have been the best armor for an adventurer to use. Instant pillow/blanket/bedding.

    • @engineeredlifeform
      @engineeredlifeform ปีที่แล้ว +82

      I once got quite drunk at an event and slept in my chainmail. I was a bit stiff next day. Oh, and really, really, hungover.

    • @renadex4905
      @renadex4905 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      ​@@engineeredlifeform party like its 1403

    • @SergioLeonardoCornejo
      @SergioLeonardoCornejo ปีที่แล้ว +13

      People would really get creative when traveling. It wasn't easy back then.

    • @sompret
      @sompret ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@engineeredlifeform Henry Skalitz and Hans Capon moment

  • @Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation
    @Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation ปีที่แล้ว +669

    Anything is a pillow if you're tired enough 🗿

    • @sirjaroid4725
      @sirjaroid4725 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      true, but what if you need sleep before a battle, but aren't tired enough to sleep on a stick

    • @Netradon
      @Netradon ปีที่แล้ว +9

      use the grass i guess

    • @renadex4905
      @renadex4905 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@sirjaroid4725 use your pants

    • @ub-4630
      @ub-4630 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      "Where I lay my head is home. See that rock? That's my pillow."

    • @ub-4630
      @ub-4630 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Btw. Since we're on this topic, to get a good night's rest, you tire yourself out
      A LOT.

  • @LivingAnachronism
    @LivingAnachronism ปีที่แล้ว +874

    Thanks so much for having me on Shad! This video was a lot of fun!

    • @DMZwerg
      @DMZwerg ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I was glad to see you on as well. I speculated some at the beginning of the video on whet you might cover and only noted a few gaps, likely more for brevity :)
      Nine inches of dry leaves if not more are recommended for cold weather camping with just a blanket and tarp. Without the moisture barrier you need more insulation from the damp.
      Also, beware of wet trees. Leaning up against a wet tree is probably worse than flat ground as it is harder to build up a thick enough insulative layer and the tree will keep directing more moisture to you. Litter/leaves and tarp cover is likely best for light rains. Hammocks can be set under a tarp as well, but in rain some water may follow the ropes down so creating drip points may be useful

    • @NateV-SwordSavvy
      @NateV-SwordSavvy ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And, it was really interesting to watch! The 'stick for a pillow' joke aside, I thought I knew a bit about sleeping rough with historical/adventuring gear but you definitely had a few new approaches that I hadn't through of before - going to have to try them out on my next camp!

    • @Grandwigg
      @Grandwigg ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Loved your part in this! On the speed exit element of hammocks, one can have the feet anchored closer to the ground. While or offsets aunt if the benefit, it may be worth looking into.

    • @Centaur255
      @Centaur255 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely brilliant video Kramer! Well done! :)

    • @mathewcoppola8622
      @mathewcoppola8622 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great job, Kramer.

  • @Saber64
    @Saber64 ปีที่แล้ว +315

    Bringing Kramer on for something like this was a fantastic choice. He's done medieval camping stuff in cold snowy weather to figure out what works and what doesn't. Also the hammock and tarp trap was a clever idea. Just gonna jot that one down, thanks, Kramer.

    • @Harrowed2TheMind
      @Harrowed2TheMind ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially if you silently lay some rope under it. They'll fall into a burrito and you can simply tie them up to make sure they don't don't get out anytime soon.

  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 ปีที่แล้ว +506

    Ah yes a medieval cloak video where Kramer, the cloak man shares his wisdom

    • @fettmaneiii4439
      @fettmaneiii4439 ปีที่แล้ว

      hype train!!

    • @MrDukeSilverr
      @MrDukeSilverr ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Only cloak advice i take is from Kramer and Lindybeige

    • @titanscerw
      @titanscerw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same, certain lady made me a certain version of medieval/early mod hunting cloak of Holy Roman Empire regions called Wetterfleck - still in use in some parts of Ger/Aus/Cze/Slo/Hun regions of Central Europe it is so usefull that now I have 2 weight version made by her.
      One thick 700+ g/m2 for -10°C moving/-5°C standing while having cotton undershirt + light polycotton shirt and merino sleeveless vest underneath ...
      And one lighter ... Both absolutely comfy in both rain, wind and snow/frost
      Both can be upgraded easily by switching baselayer to merino and adding smock right under the cloak and it can also cover whole scoped hunting rifle and small backpack ... I am happy with its performance in urban setting and in field and forest too.

    • @wiederganger1959
      @wiederganger1959 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      His cloak video won the internet.
      (And my subscription)

    • @WhistlingFerret
      @WhistlingFerret ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@MrDukeSilverr you should watch Fandabidozi's video on the Great kilt. He does amazing Scottish history, and the great kilt is the historical version of this video. He even does a trip in the Scottish Highlands with his great kilt instead of a tent.

  • @mikethemaniacal
    @mikethemaniacal ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Remember that cloaks and staves are also essential hot-weather gear. You're going to get real friendly with that tiny bit of shade at noon in the desert.

    • @frost8077
      @frost8077 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      For most of my life, I never wore hats, which was a huge mistake on my part. Heat and humidity are nothing compared to the way direct UV rays heat you up.

    • @Thalanox
      @Thalanox ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@frost8077 Weirdly enough wearing a thin white long-sleeved shirt to keep the direct sunlight off of your skin is good for sun protection, plus the fabric getting soaked with sweat cools you down more than you might expect. Also see if you can put a bandana of some kind under your hat to protect your ears and the back of your neck.

  • @taboomystic
    @taboomystic ปีที่แล้ว +105

    I actually use this method when I go camping. The polish military issued a unique type of rain cape to their soldiers in the seventies which could be turned into a tent, and it's what I use, and yes I have slept through rainstorms without even realizing despite the large opening.

    • @lindsayheyes925
      @lindsayheyes925 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The British Army relied on a hooded poncho during the cold war, with eyelets to use it as a shelter-sheet. You could put it on over your webbing or a bergen (rucksack), then it kept everything dry including your weapon, and nothing impeded your access to your ammunition pouches.

    • @SvRijswijck
      @SvRijswijck ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have a pair of these, 2 of them make a tent that can sleep 3 if you don't mind sleeping in close quarters. A tip I got was to use a tripod or tie it up instead of the original center pole.

    • @johns9478
      @johns9478 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lots of surplus rain ponchos/cloaks are designed to double as a small shelter. The US military surplus rain ponchos, the Soviet military plash palatka, and many more. It makes sense when you think about it. A rain poncho is already basically a large piece of water resistant material. Why not make it multifunctional?

    • @lindsayheyes925
      @lindsayheyes925 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johns9478 ... and you can use the hole in your poncho/shelter sheet to collect rain water (with free leaves for brewing tea).

    • @jkar4727
      @jkar4727 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi from Poland, I can confirm, those rain cloaks - called pałatka - are pretty neat and could be bought for cheap from military surplus at times.
      As for the hammock - be weary! The fact that you are off the ground does not mean you will not loose the heat below. Because you lay on top of whatever materials you have and your bodyweight will squeeze them there is little air trapped inbetween the layers to form an insulation. Admittedly I use modern Lesovik hammocks for my forest sleepovers (all material, here with the fishnet structure I imagine the clothes don't get as squished) however I would be careful and pack something to add insulation on the bottom. Nowadays you can add a sleeping mat on top of the hammock, but you can also use an underquilt. The way that works is it traps air between the underquilt and the hammock and that is your insulation layer. To have the same effect cheaper some simply use a second, old sleeping bag that they zip over themselves or attach below the hammock and I suspect you could do the same with a travellers cloak - just make sure you have a way to clasp it sensibly to avoid cold air getting in or loosing the warmed up insulation air that your body has already heated up.

  • @jamieedwards6721
    @jamieedwards6721 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    I love the cloak tent. Eastern European armies to this day use a Lavvu system where two solders buddy up and share their ponchos and overlap them to create a full tent. I like the idea of two medieval adventures sharing their cloaks to create a tent maybe it's only big enough for one to sleep whilst the other stood look out and tending the fire etc.

    • @alwayscensored6871
      @alwayscensored6871 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same in Oz army

    • @vincentbergmann3946
      @vincentbergmann3946 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      All armies before the 2000 used the combo :rain poncho, tent half and camo cloak in one.

    • @Amokra
      @Amokra ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You could use your staff as a tent pole and cut what you need again :)

    • @Dinitroflurbenzol
      @Dinitroflurbenzol ปีที่แล้ว +4

      NVA (east germany) and Bundeswehr (west germany) as well

    • @norwegiangadgetman
      @norwegiangadgetman ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@vincentbergmann3946 I learned to use one way back in the 80s. And have managed to buy one from a surplus store since. Marvellous stuff.

  • @zekeolopwi6642
    @zekeolopwi6642 ปีที่แล้ว +582

    Kramer is genuinely one of the best TH-camrs in this community. He's done work with other channels, like skill tree, and he definitely brings his a-game every time. Can't wait to see more content from both Shad and Kramer.

    • @titanscerw
      @titanscerw ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And NateV

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I've been subscribed to both Kramer and Skill Tree for almost as long as I've been attending Shadiversity, and fully agree. This is a sign of things to come for the community.

    • @krissy989
      @krissy989 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad he's an AI bro 😔

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One of Kramer's strengths is that he's a great speaker. He always speaks clearly, but still not that slowly, and he has a way to project his enthusiasm in an informative way. Within this community, the only one I'd say is clearly a better speaker is Lindybeige, who's absolutely excellent, and can make any topic seem interesting.

    • @krissy989
      @krissy989 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnotherDuck The unfortunate thing is that he's a huge bigot 😅

  • @sapientisessevolo4364
    @sapientisessevolo4364 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    A nice thing with the cloak tent set up is that it wastes less heat from the fire. Even aside from trapping it in, it reflects some of the heat onto you that would otherwise be lost to the environment
    Also we should bring cloaks back into fashion

    • @eamonnholland5343
      @eamonnholland5343 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Wool is also resistant to fire.

    • @charliemcdowell5231
      @charliemcdowell5231 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I really wish cloaks would come back in fashion. I think the reason they likely won't has little to do with people thinking they look dorky, but just incompatibility with the modern environments we spend our time in. It's similar to wide brimmed hats in that they aren't particularly enjoyable to wear inside. Getting in a car? now you have wadded material beneath you (same thing with dusters, trenchcoats etc, hence why the car coat became a thing). work in an office? you got up to go to the water cooler and majestically swished Keith's report off his desk with your dope cloak. I do think that like wide brim hats, cloaks still have a place in outdoor recreation. I fairly frequently bring my wool blanket backpacking to use as a matchcoat and offset the weight by needing less of my other clothes.

    • @jerryandersson4873
      @jerryandersson4873 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@charliemcdowell5231 Yeah, i totally agree. I think another thing with cloaks, it helps both in cold and hot sunny weather. By proteckting from the sun too.
      One thing i really like with cloaks(warning i have not had alot experience) is they helps allot with body heat management. Hot day may not really need it, but so easy to adjust when the night comes, or the cold wind blows, or rains.
      And it proteckts you from the DIRT and wet even when resting.
      No need to get wet or muddy pants with a cloak on, that log or stone or simply the ground will not affect your regular clothes, avoiding all the asosiated drawbacks with cold and dirty clothes.

    • @nextcaesargaming5469
      @nextcaesargaming5469 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Cloaks, longcoats, wide-brimmed hats, tall boots, ect. They should all go back into fashion; they are dope af

    • @RevolutionaryOven
      @RevolutionaryOven ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The reason we don't have cloaks in fashion anymore is the government and authorities. You'd look super sketchy if you walked around with a cape and hood everywhere...

  • @Jyval
    @Jyval ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Seems like Aragorn has it right. Two cloaks: use one to wrap yourself in and the second one to make a tent.

  • @denvergoudeau
    @denvergoudeau ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Kramer absolutely killed this as expected! Love seeing his face as much as possible

    • @privateprivate3767
      @privateprivate3767 ปีที่แล้ว

      his eyes are spaced like the Sloth from the Ice age movies

  • @kencoffman7145
    @kencoffman7145 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    I love that Shadiversity is adding professors! The castle of knowledge grows!

  • @knightjack
    @knightjack ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Stick is a very good pillow. Especially if it's still attached to the tree.

    • @ianwood5362
      @ianwood5362 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And as this channel has firmly established Stick is a good weapon so just showing how versatile it is.

    • @PhilBagels
      @PhilBagels ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nunchuks might actually be better than a stick to use as a pillow.

    • @knightjack
      @knightjack ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@PhilBagels Sacrilege. The chain shall pull on my luscious hair.

  • @pilgrimbruce6475
    @pilgrimbruce6475 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've camped in a mesh hammock before and it has 3 drawbacks:
    1) you need to put something between you and the mesh--like a blanket or a cloak. Otherwise you wake up looking like you were branded by a waffle iron;
    2) anything that you are wearing that can catch on the mesh will catch on the mesh--buckles, buttons, clasps, ears, etc.;
    3) you are off the ground, but you are suspended in midair. So, if the air is cold, you are cold. Modern camping hammocks counter this by using an under-quilt, but then we are back to the bedroll's problems.

  • @hawkknight4223
    @hawkknight4223 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    As a avid camper, hiker, bush crafter and rifle and bow hunter. I thoroughly enjoyed this video! God bless you all.

  • @haleyschreiter9746
    @haleyschreiter9746 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    So great to watch Shad and Kramer collaborating 😃

  • @ARKavli
    @ARKavli ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Primitive camping is a cool subject. You can do a lot with two wool blankets, which also acted as a pack by rolling items in them and tying the ends with a rope / sling. And certain tent fabrics besides wool would swell when wet, keeping the water out as long as you didn't touch the sides. They would be a bit heavy and soggy the next day though. I wish I would have been interested in bushcraft before my bones got so creaky. :)

    • @muurrarium9460
      @muurrarium9460 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just go for it, you are not that old... enjoy!

  • @WhisperingWisp357
    @WhisperingWisp357 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    With the inclusion of Living Anachronism in the mix, and the previous video on potentially bringing others on, will Shadiverisity eventually pick up the idea of having specialists in various medieval subjects as experts or "professors" on certain subjects? The work everyone is putting into this is excellent as it is. I'm just excited to see where everything is headed.

  • @healexhelixvideos4680
    @healexhelixvideos4680 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    He's a great addition to the team. Loved his video on different types of cloaks.

  • @StarlasAiko
    @StarlasAiko ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I have an old German military sleeved rain poncho. It fits very loose, made of water-repelling material and has O-rivets along the bottom hem to run tent pegs through. It is essentially a tent that you wear. The idea is that one sits on a very low tripod stool (or straight on the ground) and all you need to stay warm inside it is a single tea-light candle between your feet. Pull the hood deep into your face to keep the wind off, light a candle and it can get real toasty.

  • @simeontodorov9353
    @simeontodorov9353 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Regarding the 3 point cloak and stick tent - the stick can be your staff/walking stick, so you're basically carrying a multi-utility item already.

  • @markus4732
    @markus4732 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Kramer and Shad in the same video? SIGN ME UP!
    Love the cooperation ❤

  • @retiredadventurercrafts5192
    @retiredadventurercrafts5192 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think Kramer is going to be a great addition to the channel. The tent cloak is such a neat idea, and the pebble button was pretty cool.

  • @mdccxcii6340
    @mdccxcii6340 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    I would like to point out "outerwear being used as shelter" is a concept that is still being implemented by modern military the world over. It's kinda cool.

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Poncho and liner for the win!

    • @BreandanOCiarrai
      @BreandanOCiarrai ปีที่แล้ว +13

      *mourns the retirement of the woobie*

    • @rl-762
      @rl-762 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      zeltbahn/plash platka moment

    • @TheLiamis
      @TheLiamis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why I love my poncho.

    • @Wastelandman7000
      @Wastelandman7000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rl-762 That is another good option.

  • @TheMadPoetHimself
    @TheMadPoetHimself ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Kramer is a wondrous bloke
    And the tent that's made from a woolen cloak
    Is undoubtedly a genius stroke!

  • @syncrossus
    @syncrossus ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Unironically one of the best Shadiversity videos so far IMO

  • @Jonas_Wirth
    @Jonas_Wirth ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A Hammock was also my first thought, but every time I see adventurers in movies camp out, especially if there is the danger of Monsters or Bandits they always camp out on the ground, my intuition tells me to climb up a tree and put up my hammock between the Branches, Monsters can't reach me and Bandits can't find me unless they look up every tree at night, humans tend to be pretty blind to stuff above them, unless they are specifically searching for something. I know that it won't work with every tree, but while traveling you can definitely find a good one.

    • @Ajaxykins
      @Ajaxykins 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the bit of wisdom with hammocks is only string yourself up as high as you are willing to fall

  • @fordytude1969
    @fordytude1969 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    After many years in the aus military can definitely agree a hammock is a must have, and you don't need a massive tarp to be comfortable, I still use my hoochie (slang for tarp) today when I'm doing tasks for search and rescue. On a side note would love to see next time measurements and temperature in both formats, love the content though keep it up!

    • @DMZwerg
      @DMZwerg ปีที่แล้ว +3

      One advantage of a tarp is for dragging things over grass and snow.
      My mom would rake leaves up on a tarp, drag them to the back of the property, and dump them. She was a petite person under 5ft tall and under 120 pounds so the tarp gave her mechanical advantage and allowed her to pull a lot more than she could carry in a bag or basket

    • @ihtfp01
      @ihtfp01 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Can confirm the hammock/poncho "hooch" kept me off the ground and dry in all sorts of inclement weather in my military days.

  • @silephalberion4558
    @silephalberion4558 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The thing to remember with macrame hammocks is that almost all of your body is exposed to the air, so you need a really nice warm blanket. One of the coldest nights I ever spent was in a hammock that was made of light, breathable cloth. So a blanket on top and on bottom are really important. I liked the tepee around the hammock idea and am going to try it

    • @Jakoshdw
      @Jakoshdw ปีที่แล้ว +9

      From what I understand... for hammock Camping in cold weather you want what they call a underquilt. It goes around the outside of the hammock hanging underneath you to create a pocket of air warmed by your body heat. That air gap is what insulates you. Any blanket you sleep with inside the hammock is too compacted by your bodyweight to truely insulate in winter conditions.

    • @justowner3633
      @justowner3633 ปีที่แล้ว

      What the other guy said. Dead air is a very good insulator. This is the other reason why a wind/rain proof tent is important.

  • @ventusvindictus
    @ventusvindictus ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Shad pointed me to Living Anachronism a year ago with his "Best Cloak" video and I've been following Kramer ever since. It's really cool to see Kramer on Shadiversity now!

  • @JordanYee
    @JordanYee ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Glad to see Kramer getting even more love on this channel. I don't watch all of his content, but his cloak video on Ruanas was the perfect blend of fantasy commentary, historicallly-grounded outdoorsmanship, and practical cosplay I've seen. Glad he's becoming a regular here :)

  • @cagepersecond3683
    @cagepersecond3683 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Awesome job! I love that Kramer joined Shadiversity and I'm hoping to see more of him in collab with Shad :D

  • @bjornstacy9590
    @bjornstacy9590 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Fandabi Dozi did a video last year where he travelled for four days with traditional Scottish gear, he had his great kilt, a staff, oat cakes, reindeer hide shoes and some other gear, I think it'd be more 16th century because of the Kilt but and interesting video that this one reminded me of. Also Skill Tree's pack that turns into a tent. I'm adding this knowledge to my bone box for when I leave civilization. 😆

    • @DMZwerg
      @DMZwerg ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Absolutely love Fandobi Dozi's videos. Can't recommend them enough

    • @alwayscensored6871
      @alwayscensored6871 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, subbed him. Got a kilt and worn it in Ozzie bush but the great kilt is something different, more like a great big long blanket, serves as kilt,cloak, blanket at the same time.

  • @GethOverlord
    @GethOverlord ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Kramer is an awesome addition, and I can't wait to see more. The hammock method with specifically that cord hammock, like you said, that can easily be packed up is my favorite by far. Such a smart design and very useful with a cloak.

  • @Sam-iw6te
    @Sam-iw6te ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is REALLY where I can contribute lol being an American I'm more of a "modern" adventurer. Love swords, but guns, knives and hatchets are our weapons, but as Kramer mentioned the bushcraft community rocks the camping/survival/adventuring world with very simple techniques and skills. I've been in the bushcraft game for about four or five years, and the amount of ways you can live comfortable between destinations or while on the road abound. My personal favorite is to carry a poncho, that reaches down to the ankle of my boots. The hood of that poncho becomes the mount for the stake, in the center, while the corners can be tied off, staked down or simply folded to complete the shelter. It's good for one person, or two if you dont mind your feet exposed.
    Great topic to cover, not just for the Medieval Adventurer, but for every day life for anyone who might find themselves in a situation of having to make do with less.

  • @vegladex
    @vegladex ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Wow, my current D&D character actually *already* carries a hammock (as a reflavour of the standard bedroll) because he's a Ranger and loves sleeping up in trees! This really lends some practical weight to that choice :D

    • @DMZwerg
      @DMZwerg ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Did the same with an Elf character in Pathfinder that was moving towards limb walking. Had him sleep and even do guard duty up high in a tree. Rope hammocks should be standard part of bedrolls for Wood Elves

  • @gerardmcquade9102
    @gerardmcquade9102 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I'm glad you chose him to help you out on the videos, that was very interesting and entertaining since I'm also into modern bush crafting

  • @charliemcdowell5231
    @charliemcdowell5231 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    as somebody who has been obsessed with bedrolls for the romantic image they have, but also frequently hammock camps (with modern hammock and tarp), I just want to throw some advice in for anyone who is unfamiliar with hammocks. You DO %100 need insulation beneath you when it's below about 65 degrees F, or 55 if you're a tough guy. In the early days of my hammock camping, I threw two sleeping bags in my hammock, was wearing long johns and a thick winter coat, and was still miserably cold at 17 degrees, because all your insulation gets crushed beneath you. So a sleeping pad could work in a pinch, underquilts are even better. To stay with historically available items, you could use a second blanket or cloak as an underquilt beneath your hammock. With wool blankets, below about 45 degrees you're really going to want a fire, so if you enjoy this style of camping, I recommend making sure you a.) know how to make a fire reliably, b.) learn how to make a siberian log fire if you're sleeping by it all night, and c.) learn when to bail. if it's so horrendously windy that you COULD make a fire but it would throw sparks in those dry leaves near your camp, please please swallow your pride and either leave, or just get small snatches of sleep interspersed with physical activity to stay warm. Awesome video Shad and Kramer! you guys are great!

  • @shadowjewel
    @shadowjewel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a couple of reindeer pelts, they are amazing! I got them from a Christmas fair where on one of the stalls people sold them on behalf of the Sami people, traditional reindeer herders. The Sami eat reindeer, but ultimately wind up with more pelts then they can use, so they sell the rest.

  • @VABJMJ
    @VABJMJ ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Kramer's a legend. Great video. Loved the hammock idea and the idea of using the cloak as a tent

  • @joshuahunt3032
    @joshuahunt3032 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I’m a heavy enough sleeper that I’d probably need to be part of a party or group just for the sake of having watch-shifts during the night lol

    • @jamoecw
      @jamoecw ปีที่แล้ว +5

      trust me, you would be an idiot not to have shifts even if you were a light sleeper. seeing things from a mile or two away is much better than a yard or two for a really light sleeper.

    • @joshuahunt3032
      @joshuahunt3032 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@jamoecw Agreed. I guess my point is, any adventurer that evolved from a social animal wouldn’t be very smart to sleep in the wilderness alone without either friends or some sort of proximity alarm

    • @jamoecw
      @jamoecw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@joshuahunt3032 i do small unit stuff with the military and when planning things out with new people it isn't too unusual for a group to decide that since they are light sleepers to forgo night watches in the middle of nowhere due to them being light sleepers. that plan always gets nixed by anyone with any real experience overseeing the training.
      an 18 hour day rolling into 6 hours of rest isn't too bad, but having 3 people do 2 hour watches out of 4-8 people with one of them getting the mid watch and thus only 2 hours of realistic sleep sucks pretty hard. of course when you look at DnD spell recovery with 8 hours of rest then you need 16 hours of downtime while traveling for just two shifts, and thus only 8 hours of travel at most (realistically it would be about 5 or 6 hours). the no watch path is pretty attractive, but is still a bad idea.

    • @muurrarium9460
      @muurrarium9460 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One of the many reasons people almost always traveled in groups, safety in numbers, sharing responsibilities and resources. Modern american culture is very competition-oriented, beating the other is prime, Not so anywhere else, esp. in the more 'primitive' communities. Working well with others is far more important than beating your personal best.

  • @GregoryHarris-ym1qz
    @GregoryHarris-ym1qz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really like the special guest Kramer. You and he are from the same cloth. Clean presentation, give justified opinions, full demonstration of the opinions and leave room for innovation and options.
    Really well done. More colabs please! Huzzah!

  • @therovingranger
    @therovingranger ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So fun to see you collaborating with others Kramer!! I can’t wait to see your next video with Shad!!!

  • @jboulderct
    @jboulderct ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Hell yes! Kramer is amazing and this collaboration is a long time coming!

  • @BH-rx3ue
    @BH-rx3ue ปีที่แล้ว +8

    you dont need to get out of the hammock to fight, you just swing back and forth and let the momentum stab your enemy!

  • @connormoore8430
    @connormoore8430 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm really glad Kramer gets to coattail a big channel because he has so much potential to be big if he can just reach more people

  • @aubreyjanuary9809
    @aubreyjanuary9809 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved the hammock one! The group in my story starts out in a big dense forest so hammocks might make sense

  • @rumorcontrol7873
    @rumorcontrol7873 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Now I want to see what the best shape and type of cloak for simple camping would be, best stick-poll or interior lining etc. Would work great with a small campfire as well

    • @_XR40_
      @_XR40_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Kramer has a video on types of cloaks on his channel. He seems to favor the Ruana cloak for general purposes....

  • @energizer7354
    @energizer7354 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The compact rope hammock, and its versatility really caught my interest. Plus the one of the comments talked about having a pack animal for your adventuring parties… I might have to implement that

  • @cybernoid001
    @cybernoid001 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've only found Kramer's channel 6 months ago, but I've been genuinely enjoying them.
    He makes me want to get back into reenactment again because he tries to balance tradition with modern practicality.

  • @cz7425
    @cz7425 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    THIS IS THE COLLAB WE NEEDED. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
    DREAM TEAM

  • @MrSimpsondennis
    @MrSimpsondennis ปีที่แล้ว +9

    on the topic of tents, even modern day military soldiers only carry half a tent, depending on someone else to complete their tent.
    also, Stickiversity merch when?

  • @Sgt_SealCluber
    @Sgt_SealCluber ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Makes you appreciate modern sleeping bags and tents. Also the thin inflatable mats that give you a bit of support along with an air layer for insulation from the ground.

    • @Throku
      @Throku ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Once you sleep in a medieval style canvas tent all that appriciation for the modern tents will be nowhere to be found. Maybe you will miss the easy portability and light load, but that is the only thing you'll miss. A proper canvas tent is fantastic.
      I havent tried the thin inflatable matresses, I just know that the regular inflatable ones are a good way to freeze your arse off during the night if you dont insulate yourself from them.

    • @steelhalfelven29
      @steelhalfelven29 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Throku with regards to those thin- self-inflating pads- they are actually built for cold weather. They are different from typical air mattresses, as they are really less "inflatable" and more compressed foam, which, when the air valve is opened, expands with the air allowed to enter. It's more of a foam pad, wrapped in a water/air tight casing. With this composition, they are fantastic for cold weather.
      the "self-inflating" part of their description is kind of misleading, though technically still accurate in a way.
      Hope this helps!

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Throku Look for new houses being built (especially in the colder areas) and they typically use a radiant heat barrier to wrap the foundation. The material is very light weight and works far better than most bed mats for camping. Most construction companies will let you just have the scraps as it costs more for them to dispose of the stuff and it isn't hard to find one human sized to use. I found one, and stitched on trim around the edges. Saved over $100 doing that.

  • @SmolFly
    @SmolFly ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video made me think of another. There is a TH-camr named Fandabi Dozi and he made videos on the Great Kilt. It then gave me a thought on the usefulness of Kilts to the fantasy adventurers, which includes sleeping.

  • @angelika9396
    @angelika9396 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best things about collaborations is people helping each other.
    Because this is often rare these days and it is heartwarming to see that it still exists.

  • @johnedgar7956
    @johnedgar7956 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video! I enjoy camping where I can easily carry necessities in one backpack, and carrying your overnight shelter with you is one of the biggest concerns in terms of weight and bulk. These were some great ideas! Thank you, guys!

  • @patrickbateman3146
    @patrickbateman3146 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love the hammock idea.

  • @titanscerw
    @titanscerw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad to see your 3 channels coop like this!
    I watched your 3 channels before already so now I can watch your channels while I watch you channels cooperating 😎👌🏻

  • @mansfieldtime
    @mansfieldtime ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for finding and introducing us to Living Anachronism. You mentioned his cloak video and got me interested. I watched a few videos and realized... I really enjoyed his videos so I subscribed. I would have found him eventually but I am very glade that his videos have been added to my, "I love this and want more." collection.

  • @ChristopherMocko
    @ChristopherMocko ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The hammock and cloak combo is probably your best bang for weight. Throw in a tarp and some rope and you have a lot of options for environmental protection. That is of course if we're not considering spells like rope trick, Leomunds Secure Shelter, Tiny hut, or magnificent mansion from DnD, or other magic that gives access to a secure extradimensional spaces.

  • @dustinthewind357
    @dustinthewind357 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did Shad just admit a STICK is not good at something!?!

  • @TheAyeAye1
    @TheAyeAye1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So much fun to see you two together.

  • @RandaEd
    @RandaEd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've never heard anyone refer to a branch as a widow maker, but it's surprisingly fitting. I knew someone last year who was camper glamping and a few spots over someone had a large branch fall on their camper. It went straight through the roof, crushed half of the camper. Happily, no one was inside at the time, but it made me realize that whole campsite is full of cottonwoods, which are notoriously bad about shedding branches and it kinda freaked me out.
    Edit: I'm totally asking my DM if I can add a hammock to my gear and might pick up a couple IRL for my scouts after this video.

    • @morgansmith1930
      @morgansmith1930 ปีที่แล้ว

      Woah, I'm glad no one got hurt. I read that ash and elm trees do the same thing, even on still days.

    • @DH-xw6jp
      @DH-xw6jp ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Calling branches "widow makers" came from large scale logging.
      Felling a tree would knock loose branches from near by trees that would then fall later in the day while they were working on the downed tree and would occasionally kill loggers.

  • @Adrak-Hiano
    @Adrak-Hiano ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Absolutely love to see you two are gonna be working together!

  • @fettmaneiii4439
    @fettmaneiii4439 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kramer! Love this man, been subbed to livinganachronism for a while now! Excellent choice Shad!

  • @danieltaylor5231
    @danieltaylor5231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Its great to see visiting Professor Kramer at Shadiversity. I think a lot of your sleep system decision is based on how your adventurer is traveling. Your options go up if you are traveling on a mount and with or without a pack animal. We can also look to other areas for inspiration much like Kramer mentions the bushcraft community. I also follow a couple of US Civil War reenactor channels and one of them went into depth on how the soldiers slept. Sharing resources with others in the party, if there is one come into play here. Sharing blankets and huddling to share body heat can keep them alive or much more comfortable in colder weather.

  • @blemis7656
    @blemis7656 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like a hammock could also double as storage if you use it correctly. You could wrap up essentials, bundle the hammock up, then have it hanging either on the side of off your backpack.

  • @dougmartin2007
    @dougmartin2007 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think a lot of people kept a basic blanket as a cloak just to keep the versatility. Its a cloak, its a blanket, its a hammock, its a tent, etc.
    Seriously, this video is actually a good primer for historical bushcraft or just creating more immersion in your TTRPG.

    • @johnbd9765
      @johnbd9765 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lindybeige did a great short vid about how great penannular brooches are for converting a blanket into a cloak th-cam.com/video/XFKiTrBMGGE/w-d-xo.html

    • @dougmartin2007
      @dougmartin2007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnbd9765 And he is right. Most bushcraft people call it a blanket pin for the reason of how it can make a blanket into a sleeping bag.

    • @bronsonleach3573
      @bronsonleach3573 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dougmartin2007 Great kilt are the best garment for this

  • @als3022
    @als3022 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love to see the first Anachronism help on this. If anyone is interested on an 18th century version of this I recommend some of the videos on Townsends. Some good wilderness videos, although lots of cooking episodes too.

  • @CrazyArtistProductions
    @CrazyArtistProductions ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yay Kramer! Excellent addition to the Shadiverse!

  • @theperfectbotsteve4916
    @theperfectbotsteve4916 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the invention of backpacks was a huge win for humanity

  • @dherman0001
    @dherman0001 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shad, I've been praying for your health, and so has much of Northern Malawi.

    • @shadiversity
      @shadiversity  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much

    • @dherman0001
      @dherman0001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@shadiversity My good friend is a priest in Northern Malawi, he serves 40 churches. I asked him to put you in his prayers. He did it at every church. I buy him chickens and pigs. He saves souls.

  • @wetmink
    @wetmink ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really like the idea of the cloak and spear tent as emergency shelter.

  • @jankopransky2551
    @jankopransky2551 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We have "sleeping bags" mentioned as a part of soldiers gear in medieval sources. But what they mean by sleeping bags are strawsacks, because straw was basicaly everywhere so you could just conveniently make your matrace on the spot.

  • @michaelyoung7261
    @michaelyoung7261 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s good to see the other “Professors” of Shadiversity, the new “Barons and Earls” of the Shadlands stepping up so well. This was an excellent video. Makes me think that ttrpgs that have a larger survival aspect make the bag of holding so much more valuable: you can put all your bedroll, tent, hammock, rope, sticks, in it for easy packing
    *Bag of Holding, your campsite in a pouch!*

  • @PrismaticaDev
    @PrismaticaDev ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fantastic video! Definitely a lot of new ideas for my video game. Awesome stuff, Kramer!

  • @paualamar
    @paualamar ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Literally the precise video I needed to continue writing, love you Shad.

  • @JABO95SA
    @JABO95SA ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was phenomenal. Looking forward forward for more!

  • @dd11111
    @dd11111 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eeyyyy! Glad to see some more crossover with Living Anacronism I love both your channels so this is a treat.
    Interesting topic too. I really enjoy these dives into the more mundane but ever constant aspects of adventuring.
    Good stuff!

  • @zombiewolf5073
    @zombiewolf5073 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cloak is amazing and it’s why I always carry one in all my DND characters and it is easy but the hammock is cool if you do have like money or are good at weaving your own things like he said. Great video I am new here but still love your content keep going 😊❤

  • @timothyfrasier8218
    @timothyfrasier8218 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You can also use the hammock at net so it becomes even more useful

  • @coreyloyer5001
    @coreyloyer5001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually sleep in a hammock when I larp and I can tell you, it is heaven. I'm not cold, I'm not hot, I get great back support. All in all, I sleep well at larps. The pebble in the tarp as an anchor point for rope also blew my mind! I' making a new tarp for my hammock that's going to be more decorum and I'll definitely use that to tie in up! Great video! Thanks for all the tips @LivingAnachronism !

  • @brightfaith8403
    @brightfaith8403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yay! I’ve been waiting for Kramer to make an appearance on this channel!

  • @laurafreeman8360
    @laurafreeman8360 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been watching, and enjoying, both of your channels for a while, and as an aspiring author with many ideas for fantasy stories, channels such as these have been very informative and have helped me learn a great many things. As a some of my fantasy stories involve people traveling a lot, videos such as these help me understand how these characters would travel and what supplies they would need. When watching a video recently I got the idea that maybe my one group of travelers should have a dog, as a dog could carry some things while not needing as much food as a pack mule, and would be useful in hunting and defense, not to mention companionship.
    On a completely different topic, I'd like to mention a new fantasy series that you might be interested in. I don't know if you (Shad) will actually see this, but I suppose there's no harm in mentioning it anyway. The series is called The Wingfeather Saga, a four book series with two companion books that is now being turned into an animated TV show, the first season of which is almost complete and can be watched for free. Perhaps you'd like it, perhaps you wouldn't, either way I saw no harm in mentioning it.
    I enjoyed this video and look forward to your future collaborations.

  • @TheShieldery
    @TheShieldery ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There are medieval reenactment events - like the Horns of Hattin for example - where most of the participants sleep only with authentic stuff. I took part in that like 4 times and allready booked the flight to israel this year. You do a bit of bushcraft for your sleeping mat with straw, pine needles, or whatever you got on lokation, put half of your cloak on top of that and use the rest as a blanket.

    • @muurrarium9460
      @muurrarium9460 ปีที่แล้ว

      You do realize that place is about to be a full blown warzone, right?

    • @TheShieldery
      @TheShieldery ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@muurrarium9460 You mean Israel? There was always and most probably will always be war. I feel safer in Israel (on the places of tourism of course), then on an average christmas market in germany, after the large migrations.

    • @muurrarium9460
      @muurrarium9460 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheShieldery Good point (about the unchecked immigrations and we not keeping up with safety protocols). But the situation is escalating a bit more than usual (Israel as well) so plze stay safe (and enjoy!).

  • @daryld4457
    @daryld4457 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a Two-For-One offer this is, you're spoiling us sir!
    👍👍👍👍

  • @MrJacobmetcalf
    @MrJacobmetcalf ปีที่แล้ว

    This was my 1st video from you guys and thank you. I'm looking forward to the rest of them

  • @ub-4630
    @ub-4630 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was watching a Metatron video. Good chap. Nice videos.

  • @fakecubed
    @fakecubed 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Definitely look at what people do in bushcraft. They do medieval adventuring for real, just with a higher quality of materials available (though a lot of people are into primitive methods). Also take a look at people who go camping in different climates and seasons. Winter camping in heavy snow is something a lot of people enjoy (myself included) and there are a lot of considerations you have to think about, from snowshoes to travel without getting too exhausted, to how you get firewood and survive the night without going hypothermic. Likewise, surviving in a tropical jungle has its own set of challenges.

  • @ripperdjak6224
    @ripperdjak6224 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that it was actually shown on how it would work, not just told. I really enjoyed it

  • @15thTimeLord
    @15thTimeLord ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kramer's explainations, hand gestures, and tests/work throughs felt very on course for what Im used to seeing here. Hes a good pick for a contributor.

  • @larshenrici1598
    @larshenrici1598 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really dislike open tents like the cloke tent because the weather still gets you but If you travel together you cold make a real proper tent out of 2 clokes!

    • @Jakoshdw
      @Jakoshdw ปีที่แล้ว

      A open shelter like a cloak tent is mostly just to protect you from overhead precipitation. It needs to be paired with a campfire radiating warmth inside the shelter to create a microclimate as it were to be really comfortable in cold weather.

    • @larshenrici1598
      @larshenrici1598 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jakoshdw still kinda sucks in bad weather and in good weather I dont need a tent. I dont say its completely useless just that I dislike it. Its like those jackets for spring and fall. Not warm enough for when it's cold but useless in summer.

    • @Jakoshdw
      @Jakoshdw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@larshenrici1598 It's definitely not the most ideal... but it's basically the same shelter as a more modern poncho shelter.
      I live in Florida and I've had rain dropping on my head when the weather reports say it's clear skies. If you have a rain poncho and nothing else... at least you have some overhead cover if the weather does something unexpected. Better than being drenched.
      I understand it's a personal preference though... that kind of shelter is mostly for emergencies or people who enjoy "roughing it".

    • @larshenrici1598
      @larshenrici1598 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jakoshdw i live im Germany ther are not a lot and not big pockets of untouched wildness left. And wild campaign is prohibited.
      But I do a lot of Larp even in early winter and i have seen what bad tents and camping equipment can do to people even short time and relative controlled environments. It totally ruined ther time because they got sick.

    • @Jakoshdw
      @Jakoshdw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@larshenrici1598 - Yeah... goes to show why all the good survival experts are always stressing how important having basic protection from the elements is. Exposure to the cold can be bad even under controlled conditions. Imagine how it was for our ancestors who only had fur, animal hide, or very crude "cloth" from plant fibers.

  • @The_Savvy_Satyr
    @The_Savvy_Satyr ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm greatly interested in further collaboration between two of my favourite TH-camrs. Hope that you're doing well, Shad.

  • @benjaminblack4345
    @benjaminblack4345 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOOHOO! Love this video. And excited to see you here, Kramer! 😁

  • @Herbert_Eder
    @Herbert_Eder ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Welcome Kramer! I love cooperation videos, especially ones between creators who i both follow, and i'm looking forward to more!

  • @ub-4630
    @ub-4630 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've seen the short.
    Edit: I didn't know cloaks were that handy. I never watched Kramer's videos but he sounds like a nice lad and I find his content super helpful. I would definitely keep those ideas in mind for one of my fantasy novels whenever my characters can't make it to the next town. I was looking up if using cloaks as tenths was a thing but I'm glad to find that Kramer addressed it here.
    Also I'd like to add that realistically, medieval adventurers would try not to -stay- be outdoors after dark. They try to stick close to the road and travel from town to town. Camping is mostly for armies on their way to conquer or sack an enemy kingdom and stuff like that.

  • @Cavouku
    @Cavouku ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Another point: you may be able to make a hammock that can pull double-duty as a fishing net. If you wanna get creative, you may even be able to use it like a weapon/pseudo-shield like the retiarius gladiator.
    EDIT: If you want, you *can* wear a big 3m x 3m decently if you do it up like a Great Kilt. Fandabi Dozi has a video on it that should be the first TH-cam search result for "great kilt".

  • @thetalon100
    @thetalon100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a really good video! It really does help to shed the light on just how adventurers/travelers in both fantasy and the medieval period actually make/made their way through the world. The one thing I thought it really showed, however, is the importance of traveling with a group. Quick reactions to sudden circumstances are great, but having a few of your mates with you to watch your back while you grab some shuteye is even better. Maybe that’s something you could touch on in the future Shad like say “The Ideal Size for an Adventuring/Traveling Party”?

  • @malaineeward5249
    @malaineeward5249 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love coming back every couple of months and seeing how far his outfit has progressed