Hey Everyone! We hope you enjoyed this video! Please note that we discuss Chaos Terminators having a 5+ invulnerable save. They actually have a 4+ invulnerable like their Loyalist brethren! Let us know below which god you'll pledge your allegiance too!!
Nurgle, With my Renegades mortal chaos army (Cultists, traitorguard ect). There is no other way to play and still look cool. (except blood pact (Khrone), or Spire guard(Tzeench))
So...I got to see just how good Dark Pacts can be when they work well. I saw a Helbrute with a Mark of Slaanesh turn a fully healthy Redemptor Dread into scrap metal, in one turn, with a Helbrute Hammer. It was hilarious, and totally worth the risk of the Dark Pact, imho. Frankly I LOVE the Dark Pacts rule, I love the element of risk it brings and how flexible it is. It;s fun and fluffy and it works....and when it really works, it's like the Dark Gods have smiled upon you and your enemy just goes splat. Great fun.
Yeah, played my first game of 10th two nights ago, it was only a piddly 500pt test match but I'd almost completely massacred my mates army by turn 2 lol. That was with only 3, _technically_ 2, units - a lord embedded in 5 chosen and 5 terminators, all dedicated to Khorne. Chosen are workhorses man, add a lord with daemon hammer + talisman and they're fucking brutal. When we up the points I wanna make a pack of ten and stick em in a land raider, or alternatively, run a Slaanesh (for the movement strat) dreadnought in front to soak up fire and get that sweet aura.
I am glad to see someone else is as excited about these rules as me! (Though I would have also have watched this just for the beautiful night lords models!)
Awesome video guys, super informative. Also those Night Lords are absolutely delicious, well done. PS I never saw the T inside the logo until just now and now I'll never unsee it.
4x Tzeench Obliterators should get a mention, Deepstrike behind obscuring terrain, Use the Indirect-Fire ability with Lethal Hits Dark Pact. The Strat to bring back a 5w model and heal another for 3 wounds :) Edit: Changed D3 to 3 as per the below comment correcting me.
I used to play Chaos back in the day .... the 90's lol. I was full on Khorne, Kharne the Betrayer and his Gorechild were the pinnacle of Burn, Maim, Kill for me, It doesn't get any better than that.
I played rogue trader through fifth.I am now gearing up to play again and choosing an army that fits my mediocre painting ability and is ok of shyte. Can is my jam. Thank you for insights and suggestions. You mean do good things!
Full squad of Khorne chosen with an exalted champ and master of possession in a land raider. Drop you pact for 5+ lethal hits. You’ll have a super strong unit. Or mark it undivided and use the strat to re roll everything.
I haven’t looked at the Daemon Prince on foot, but the one with wings actually doesn’t have the dark pacts ability, so I would refrain from using the intoxicating elixir on it unless you really just want the feel no pain +5
Fun combos I’ve noticed: Lucius + master of executions + chosen. Strikes first, with precision and devastating wounds, 5+ crit keep them next to abbadon and they get a 4++ Huron is pretty much an auto include for obvious reasons. One thing of note: Haarken has precision hits in melee. I have noticed a lot of the mech side of chaos doesn’t have as much synergy (to be fair still crunching numbers on it though)
Lucy+MOE with 10 Legionaries with all chainswords and 2 heavy weapons works too. Potentially Rerolls wounds from Longwar & Warpsighted Butcher hits too. Double precision can net free CP too if lucius fights then moe kills his target after.
@16:16 Is fight on death counted as its own Phase? I was under the impression that for instance the CSM unit gets charged you play the strat and then when it moves to your turn to fight the models that died fight with the unit as normal and get taken off at the end of your fight phase. Ive been playing it this way and dark pacting the unit... 😅
Hellbrutes seem slept on in this review there aura giving units both lethal and sustained hits when dark pacting is amazing when your using non undevided as both trigger on 5+. Mix that with other things like terminators getting rerolls Dark pact is such a good rule.
So can I mix and match my marks of chaos? Like make Obliterators Tzeentch so I can bring a model back with the strat, but have my possessed blob be khorne, slaanesh or undivided. As an example.
Hey, who’s the best for the lord part, I heard u mention chaos lord in term armour. I think abaddon will be great with terminators, so maybe the normal chaos Lord with either Chosen or Legionaires - (unless u can have abaddon + the term lord in the same thing but don’t think u can)? Was also thinking of picking up some raptors for my WorldClaimer to have some fun with. From what you guys said it would seem a great shout! I haven’t got a single chaos vehicle so would you recommend picking one or some up? If so which? Any thoughts on the master of execution too? Looks a bit meh to me. Sorry for all the questions quite new to 40K & this is my main army I’ve started building in prep for 10th! :) would appreciate any help / advice / replies. Have a great day!
I interpreted that as a no go. The Dark Apostle is a three operative unit so it would become 13. But I don’t know if you can take the Dark Apostle with only one Dark Disciple. That’s a great question
The thing that´s stopping me from collecting Chaos Space Marines is the fact they are smaller than the imperial marines. I dont understand why did they make the new csm terminators and then made new terminators for the imperium which are true scale. From a lore perspective I can understand Primaris being a bit bigger than normal marines, but it takes away from the fear-factor of the CSM which they absolutely are suppose to be, big scary supersoldiers that worship the dark gods. Now they are just minimarines who are crazy.
It honestly doesnt matter when youre dealing with the scale across an entire army (csm) you wont even notice until youre fighting primaris across from you. Thr csm are still bigger than the new imperial guard, theyre still chunky bois. Youd hate the horus heresy btw, all the troops are smaller than promaris.
@@knabseraph awesome. I.picked abby up tp run with my iron warriors today as he seemed to have been toned down a bit. Nice that he still seems strong but not feelsbad strong
New to the game but my understanding is that you can choose chaos space Marines and use units from any of the other chaos armies? Like I can make a marine/worldeater army?
Hey Guys, i need a bit help her :) A Friend of mine got the combat patrol Box from Csm. Its his first army and He starts with the Hobby right now. I think he should play and paint what he got and have fun and dont build, you know, in competitive ways. But the legonaries have a Billion wepons to Choose. Do you have some advices for them, with the dark Apostel? And maybe next steeps for the army? Thank you for your time :)
Hey dude, Jord here. I would suggest a melee build if you are combining them with the dark apostle as they will get his +1 to wound in combat ability. Heavy Melee Weapons would be good and chainswords. You could add in a flamer/melta if you wanted some ranged in the unit. As for next steps I would suggest just pick what they think looks cool, if you're not looking to go competitive then picking your favourite models will help keep the engagement with the army. Maybe look at what synergises with the units you like the look of too :) I hope that helps a little :D
@@VanguardTactics yeah that helps me a lot. :) 1 idea. I tought for the Box, 5 legonaries with apostel melee. 5 with 1Autocanon and bolter. ( but the bolter has ap0 ? ) hard in this meta with so much Cover... And havocs with lasercanons for anti tank ? Hellbrute with hammer and antitank.
Hmm not so sure about not being able to use Dark Pacts on the Lost and the Damned units. Since you're changing their keyword thus making them Heretic Astartes faction and that is the only condition that you need to fulfill to have access to Dark Pacts.
Depends on if you have any scruples about not just throwing in any character that you can, whether or not they fit. Since they don't have legions atm, you are kinda punished if you don't want to just take Abaddon or Huron or Fabius just because the rules let you.
As its the start of a new edition, each index faction only has one detachment. These are just a set of rules to use. You army construction simply needs a character and a warlord as well as other units you like!
Well said! Now that is finally all cleared up. We won't have anymore talk about Abaddon. Anyone who dares to call him something absurd like Abaddon is on notice now that he is clearly called Abaddon and you pronounce simply as Abaddon. Make no mistake when dealing with Abaddon. Good work getting that all sorted out Jared.
Currently quite upset I can't run be'lakor alongside my csm ..... you can run any deamons alongside your csm but it cannot be your warlord .....back of be'lakors datasheet " if be'lakor is included in your army he must be your warlord " .....gutted
I'm definitely not a fan of mixing special characters. It doesn't matter one lick for tournament players, but for people who care about the fluff it's kinda crummy. Especially when the general excuse is to use the model and convert, because that feels like a complete cop out. Also, terminators have a 4+ Invuln, not a 5+. At least on the datasheets that are downloaded from the GW site?
We completely understand, and it's up to you to play them how you wish! The forces of the Renegade Legions do occasionally work together. If you don't want to run Abaddon and Lucius you don't have to! We did catch that on the terminators after the video hence the updated description and pinned comment!
Hey Everyone! We hope you enjoyed this video! Please note that we discuss Chaos Terminators having a 5+ invulnerable save. They actually have a 4+ invulnerable like their Loyalist brethren!
Let us know below which god you'll pledge your allegiance too!!
Nurgle, With my Renegades mortal chaos army (Cultists, traitorguard ect). There is no other way to play and still look cool. (except blood pact (Khrone), or Spire guard(Tzeench))
Slaanesh
So...I got to see just how good Dark Pacts can be when they work well. I saw a Helbrute with a Mark of Slaanesh turn a fully healthy Redemptor Dread into scrap metal, in one turn, with a Helbrute Hammer. It was hilarious, and totally worth the risk of the Dark Pact, imho.
Frankly I LOVE the Dark Pacts rule, I love the element of risk it brings and how flexible it is. It;s fun and fluffy and it works....and when it really works, it's like the Dark Gods have smiled upon you and your enemy just goes splat.
Great fun.
Yeah, played my first game of 10th two nights ago, it was only a piddly 500pt test match but I'd almost completely massacred my mates army by turn 2 lol. That was with only 3, _technically_ 2, units - a lord embedded in 5 chosen and 5 terminators, all dedicated to Khorne. Chosen are workhorses man, add a lord with daemon hammer + talisman and they're fucking brutal. When we up the points I wanna make a pack of ten and stick em in a land raider, or alternatively, run a Slaanesh (for the movement strat) dreadnought in front to soak up fire and get that sweet aura.
Well, the only problem is on the occasion where the pact does literally nothing for you and you tank 3 mortals. That just feels kinda feelsbad moment.
I'm happy they've brought back Chaos Undivded for the other 6 legions of Chaos. It felt like something was missing without them.
Extremely helpful. So much more organized than the first take videos I’ve seen so far.
I am glad to see someone else is as excited about these rules as me! (Though I would have also have watched this just for the beautiful night lords models!)
Mike here, thanks for the compliments! I love the army to bits!
Video had my curiosity, Night Lords had my attention!
Awesome video guys, super informative. Also those Night Lords are absolutely delicious, well done.
PS I never saw the T inside the logo until just now and now I'll never unsee it.
Terminators have a 4 up invulnerable
When they first released the index it said they had a 5++ lol so yeah they probably didn’t have the correction
Chaos Marks have me super excited about CSM! Almost unlimited possibilities with all the different combos!
No mention of Helbrutes or Obliterators? Color me surprised! So excited for CSM, so many options!
So much to talk about! But we have to keep the videos to a shorter duration haha.
Having just started my 40K journey, this is so so so helpful! Definitely think I need to sign up to Vanguard after watching this.
4x Tzeench Obliterators should get a mention, Deepstrike behind obscuring terrain, Use the Indirect-Fire ability with Lethal Hits Dark Pact. The Strat to bring back a 5w model and heal another for 3 wounds :)
Edit: Changed D3 to 3 as per the below comment correcting me.
It's not heal d3 wounds, it's heal up to 3 wounds so you can heal 3 wounds flat
The pact of flesh was in 9th, no more of that sadly
@@justcreastive5513 you have read the detachment Stratagems right? You might want to check them out again. It's called Skinshift.
@@wrathofsweyup, also mentioned in the vid
Obliterators are such cool miniatures that I had to have 2-4 Obliterators + a vemoncrawler in my starting 1k list.
Chaos spaces marines are NOT the bad guys, they are fighting for what is right, mankind needs to ascend!!!!! The imperium simply stand in the way
DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!!
I play death guard and black legion :)
LONG LIVE THE GOD EMPEROR! LONG LIVE THE IMPERIUM!
Abaddon is a Top G
We all know the ultimate bad guys are the Tau. Chaos are just some cheeky little rascals
@@criticalcommenter no tau aren't even that evil
This was great lads, thank you.
Thank you for another great faction analysis!
I used to play Chaos back in the day .... the 90's lol. I was full on Khorne, Kharne the Betrayer and his Gorechild were the pinnacle of Burn, Maim, Kill for me, It doesn't get any better than that.
I played in the 80s
Thanks for the heads up. Next tourney with 20 peeps we got at least 3 CSM ^^
As a new player that Haarken combo really caught my attention and is probably what im gonna throw in my first army when i can put it all together
Some great conversions! Thanks for the video.
This is fantastic! Thanks for doing this
I played rogue trader through fifth.I am now gearing up to play again and choosing an army that fits my mediocre painting ability and is ok of shyte. Can is my jam. Thank you for insights and suggestions. You mean do good things!
Full squad of Khorne chosen with an exalted champ and master of possession in a land raider. Drop you pact for 5+ lethal hits. You’ll have a super strong unit. Or mark it undivided and use the strat to re roll everything.
Great idea but the Master of possession is a psyker! Therefore no Khorne mark. Undivided works well though!
I'm thinking of with lord for +1 damage alpha charge
Great summary! Well done
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
I haven’t looked at the Daemon Prince on foot, but the one with wings actually doesn’t have the dark pacts ability, so I would refrain from using the intoxicating elixir on it unless you really just want the feel no pain +5
Fun combos I’ve noticed:
Lucius + master of executions + chosen. Strikes first, with precision and devastating wounds, 5+ crit keep them next to abbadon and they get a 4++
Huron is pretty much an auto include for obvious reasons.
One thing of note: Haarken has precision hits in melee.
I have noticed a lot of the mech side of chaos doesn’t have as much synergy (to be fair still crunching numbers on it though)
If only Lucius or Abby could actually join Chosen...
Lucy+MOE with 10 Legionaries with all chainswords and 2 heavy weapons works too. Potentially Rerolls wounds from Longwar & Warpsighted Butcher hits too. Double precision can net free CP too if lucius fights then moe kills his target after.
@16:16 Is fight on death counted as its own Phase? I was under the impression that for instance the CSM unit gets charged you play the strat and then when it moves to your turn to fight the models that died fight with the unit as normal and get taken off at the end of your fight phase. Ive been playing it this way and dark pacting the unit... 😅
Really great video. Very well explained and comprehensive thanks for sharing
Hellbrutes seem slept on in this review there aura giving units both lethal and sustained hits when dark pacting is amazing when your using non undevided as both trigger on 5+. Mix that with other things like terminators getting rerolls
Dark pact is such a good rule.
a-baddon has me in stitches everytime
Are you guys going to do an update vid with the new codex being released now?
Hey great videos and channel!
Are you guys planning to do a How to Play for Chaos Daemons?
Update: They did!!!
So can I mix and match my marks of chaos? Like make Obliterators Tzeentch so I can bring a model back with the strat, but have my possessed blob be khorne, slaanesh or undivided. As an example.
I’m gonna have to use that chaos undivided terminator combo
I like possessed with the mark of slaanesh gives more chance to roll for wounds and get more devastating wounds.
An incredibly helpful review.
Any idea when the cards will be available? I know you can download and print them, but those you have look nice!
When you playing Astan militarum what models would you advise to take
Not gonna lie probably will get myself a Alpharius model and use Abbadon rules that will be sick for an Alpha Legion set
Thanks,
Comment for the Skull Throne
Can you enact a dark pact in combat when you're fighting back e.g outside of your turn or if they have fight first
Well done. Good videos for a very new player like me.
Hey, who’s the best for the lord part, I heard u mention chaos lord in term armour. I think abaddon will be great with terminators, so maybe the normal chaos Lord with either Chosen or Legionaires - (unless u can have abaddon + the term lord in the same thing but don’t think u can)?
Was also thinking of picking up some raptors for my WorldClaimer to have some fun with. From what you guys said it would seem a great shout!
I haven’t got a single chaos vehicle so would you recommend picking one or some up? If so which? Any thoughts on the master of execution too? Looks a bit meh to me.
Sorry for all the questions quite new to 40K & this is my main army I’ve started building in prep for 10th! :) would appreciate any help / advice / replies. Have a great day!
Question. 10 chosen in landraider with dark apostle (3). Does this mean that you cannot as it’s 13 or does dark apostle plus his 2 guards equal 1?
I interpreted that as a no go. The Dark Apostle is a three operative unit so it would become 13. But I don’t know if you can take the Dark Apostle with only one Dark Disciple. That’s a great question
The thing that´s stopping me from collecting Chaos Space Marines is the fact they are smaller than the imperial marines. I dont understand why did they make the new csm terminators and then made new terminators for the imperium which are true scale. From a lore perspective I can understand Primaris being a bit bigger than normal marines, but it takes away from the fear-factor of the CSM which they absolutely are suppose to be, big scary supersoldiers that worship the dark gods. Now they are just minimarines who are crazy.
It honestly doesnt matter when youre dealing with the scale across an entire army (csm) you wont even notice until youre fighting primaris across from you. Thr csm are still bigger than the new imperial guard, theyre still chunky bois.
Youd hate the horus heresy btw, all the troops are smaller than promaris.
Get Abbadon, Undivided Terminators, and a nearby Helbrute. Activate a Dark Pact, and get ALL 5 God specific pact bonuses (3 active) at the same time.
So does that mean they will get the second benefit from stratagems like the one that a nurgle ubit can only be targeted within 12"?
@@rtl97 yes cos Abbaddon gives the unit all 5 marks. Obviously you still have to spend a CP on it unlike the Dark Pacts ability
@@knabseraph awesome. I.picked abby up tp run with my iron warriors today as he seemed to have been toned down a bit. Nice that he still seems strong but not feelsbad strong
Tell us how to run a Legit Iron Hands Army among all this 10th edition please
where are all those Night Lords minis from?
Simon the red Corsair character his redeploy happens before turns are selected so Is it still valuable
Loved the video! Love to see raptors getting some love #nightlords!
What would say about Dark pact when overwatch? I'm having a heated debate in my group...
New to the game but my understanding is that you can choose chaos space Marines and use units from any of the other chaos armies? Like I can make a marine/worldeater army?
Yes, only a few things like faction specific vehicles are unavailable
Doesn't the mark of Chaos undivided make you get both effects?
How many times would you guys recommend playing a list before making changes to it?
That’s a nice question. I would love to hear the answer.
0:09 damn what mini is this?
Iron warriors are coming back for the round two son !!!!!!
Hey Guys, i need a bit help her :)
A Friend of mine got the combat patrol Box from Csm. Its his first army and He starts with the Hobby right now.
I think he should play and paint what he got and have fun and dont build, you know, in competitive ways. But the legonaries have a Billion wepons to Choose. Do you have some advices for them, with the dark Apostel?
And maybe next steeps for the army?
Thank you for your time :)
Hey dude, Jord here. I would suggest a melee build if you are combining them with the dark apostle as they will get his +1 to wound in combat ability. Heavy Melee Weapons would be good and chainswords. You could add in a flamer/melta if you wanted some ranged in the unit.
As for next steps I would suggest just pick what they think looks cool, if you're not looking to go competitive then picking your favourite models will help keep the engagement with the army. Maybe look at what synergises with the units you like the look of too :)
I hope that helps a little :D
@@VanguardTactics yeah that helps me a lot. :) 1 idea.
I tought for the Box, 5 legonaries with apostel melee.
5 with 1Autocanon and bolter. ( but the bolter has ap0 ? ) hard in this meta with so much Cover...
And havocs with lasercanons for anti tank ? Hellbrute with hammer and antitank.
Hmm not so sure about not being able to use Dark Pacts on the Lost and the Damned units. Since you're changing their keyword thus making them Heretic Astartes faction and that is the only condition that you need to fulfill to have access to Dark Pacts.
How are Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors looking?
legions are gone for now
Depends on if you have any scruples about not just throwing in any character that you can, whether or not they fit. Since they don't have legions atm, you are kinda punished if you don't want to just take Abaddon or Huron or Fabius just because the rules let you.
Hi
will Abby provide his Keywords to his Terminator unit?
He will indeed!
So where does one actually look to build a detachment for a game?
As its the start of a new edition, each index faction only has one detachment. These are just a set of rules to use. You army construction simply needs a character and a warlord as well as other units you like!
@@VanguardTactics Oh, so there is no unit cap? Like only six infantry squads or three "elite" caps?
@oranmcdougall2650 everything is capped at either 6 battle line, 3 of anything else, and max 1 of each epic hero
@@davidewing4046 Thanks for the information. Saw that would be case in the previews but I wanted to be sure in case changes were made before release.
Let’s get a 2024 update with the new codex.
Hi guys, does Abbaddon confer all the different marks of Chaos onto the unit of Terminators he joins?
Spicy
I pronouce it Abaddon. Anyone who pronounces it Abaddon over Abaddon is clearly wrong.
Well said! Now that is finally all cleared up.
We won't have anymore talk about Abaddon. Anyone who dares to call him something absurd like Abaddon is on notice now that he is clearly called Abaddon and you pronounce simply as Abaddon. Make no mistake when dealing with Abaddon.
Good work getting that all sorted out Jared.
Abba-don
CSM sucked in 9th... happy they rock now
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Guys can someone answer a question - can named chaos characters take enhancements?
As far as I know, all named characters are epic heroes, and they state that epic heroes cannot take enhancements, unfortunately
noise marines!!!!
Do T'au next 😢 pleeeeease
Currently quite upset I can't run be'lakor alongside my csm ..... you can run any deamons alongside your csm but it cannot be your warlord .....back of be'lakors datasheet " if be'lakor is included in your army he must be your warlord " .....gutted
666 like I rock 😊
You guys totally missed my boy CYPHER. He can just kill an enemy who likes to use the same CP all game.
In black and gold reborn....
So, i understood almost nothing, its not their fault, but i have a looot of questions
ok.......ok......ok.......ok........
I'm definitely not a fan of mixing special characters. It doesn't matter one lick for tournament players, but for people who care about the fluff it's kinda crummy. Especially when the general excuse is to use the model and convert, because that feels like a complete cop out.
Also, terminators have a 4+ Invuln, not a 5+. At least on the datasheets that are downloaded from the GW site?
We completely understand, and it's up to you to play them how you wish! The forces of the Renegade Legions do occasionally work together. If you don't want to run Abaddon and Lucius you don't have to!
We did catch that on the terminators after the video hence the updated description and pinned comment!
Its pronounced "Ab-ba-don"
Even Games Workshop says it correctly, dont know why some of you pronounce it "Ab-ba-din"
I know right, My friends and I always make fun of people saying Abbadin. They gotta put some respect on the primarch-level Astartes Warmaster.
* enslaves and kills mass amounts of civilians and feeds off of their misery and pain *
“Yeah not bad guys just different perspective!” Lol