Moritz Seider is already a No. 1 defenceman, and he's only getting better
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.พ. 2022
- Elite Prospects Dir. of North American scouting Mitch Brown goes into the Film Room™️ to break down Moritz Seider's rookie season, offering a mia culpa for underrating the German defenceman up to this point, and examining the improvements in his game.
Elite Prospects ranked Seider as the sixth-best prospect outside of the NHL going into the season: eprinkside.com/2021/09/09/ran...
And Brown covered Seider in his Rookie Mid-Term, which you can read by following this link: eprinkside.com/2022/02/15/roo... - กีฬา
The fact that this guy was in my class back in Germany and is one of my friends makes me so happy, I got to see this guy go from local to NHL which makes me so proud of him!
What was he like?
Ich kenne ihn zwar nicht privat aber kenne ihn auch seit Mannheim Zeiten da ich ein Mannheim Fan bin und dass das aus ihm geworden ist macht mich auch stolz
This is gonna be a fun video to watch in 20 years when he's retiring as an all-time great defenseman.
He has a long time to go before an all time great. Id say three Norris and 700+ pts and a few cups to be an all time great
I claim this 🙌🏼
He could die or get seriously injured too
Can't play time machine without factoring in bad fates as well
Very impressing analysis. Thanks for that. Mo Seider is a real Red Wings Gift and is still improving as a player and as a teammate. Keep on following!
@@matthewsinstagramposts8023 That’s kinda morbid haha
That Seider Edvinsnsson top pair gonna go crazy
Imagine if cholo turned out good too
Don't forget the studs Johansson and Wallinder as well.... Not a bad top 4 there.
@@TheJohannesE Antti Tuomisto is an interesting one as well . . .
@@DETisHockeytown Yes thats true. I have gotten My eyes more and more open for him. He could be great 👍
I say sign Lindholm and place him with Seider and put Edvinsson with a stable rhd so he can play his creative style without being placed with a defensive black hole like Hronek
Moritz Seider is probably the best player that have ever played for Rögle BK in SHL💚💚. We do miss him a lot!
We miss him here in Mannheim as well.
@@meister1176 und wie
@@janbellemann5691 he played for Addler Manheim before being drafted by the wings
@@janbellemann5691 naja, aber dafür ab Freitag wieder mit Zuschauern in der SAP Arena. Wooohooo
Yes, we miss him. But Kenny Jönsson leaving NY-Islanders in his prime years winning best defensive man in Olympics coming from Rögle BK in Allsvenskan, second league in Sweden, is hard to beat when it comes to best Rögle-player all time.
He is so awesome. Loving to watch him develop and gain confidence. Clean hits too. Slick hands and smooth skating. Great pick by Yzerman at that spot.
Probably the best pick of the last decade, late-round steals excepted. Not just because of how good he is, but because it was a supposed "reach" that hit. Lots of people (me included) want to freak out when teams take players high, but they generally know a lot more about a player's makeup and ability to improve than the public sphere. Add in that fact that Detroit's system/structure has completely changed since the pick, and it's clear there was a level of foresight when making that decision. They picked the perfect player for a style of hockey they weren't playing yet, but we're planning on it. Awesome stuff.
@@mitchellbrown2303 i dont know if you Northern Europeans follow the IIHF World Championships a lot, but seeing Seider at the 2019 WC at that young age was pretty impressing. Didnt saw THAT coming, but back then I felt his MOCK Draft results were a bit too bad
@@mitchellbrown2303 that „best dark horse late pick“ has to be Datsyuk. Nobody saw his potential and he developed into one of the most complete players in the league.
Yzermans picks and trades have been GOLD. So glad to have him back in Detroit
Moritz mentioned himself that he focused soley on defense last year. His play reflected as such.
Also SHL is a more defensive league than other leagues especially compared to other leagues in Europe.
@@pickboaa Rögle BK had a quite easy break out system from defensive zone. Seider lead the best defensive setup Rögle BK ever had. Dominant defensively and great on the offence.
He better win the Calder is all I'm saying
Unless one of those guys like zegras can turn into a machine, he’s definitely winning it
He did 🏆
As a Wings fan I can't express how much fun it is watching this kid play!
One of the most exciting rookie campaigns I’ve personally seen by a wing, very fun to watch indeed!
@@starky4079 Will never forget Yzerman’s rookie year. Wow
The answer to your question of how he’s gotten better so quick.
Stevie Y: “Hey Lidstrom, can you talk to this kid?”
I think Kronwall is helping out with development in Sweden as well, I’m sure Edvinsson will benefit from the Nicks..doesn’t get much better.
I've noticed that rookie 'star' players get the 'welcome to the NHL' treatment from opposing teams a lot in their first year (cross checks, late hits extra pushing and shoving after the whisle). I've also noticed that Seider is not getting this treatment in his first NHL season and there is a reason for this; they don't want to mess with this big boy and end up looking like chumps on the highlight reel
They have tried to, but they always end of flat on the ice. Just check out his reverse hit from not too long ago.
It took me everything to not include a 20-minute addendum of him clowning on star players and throwing reverse hits. And I have a tough time believing that his physical game and strength are going to do anything other than improve even more.
He just gets better and better could be one of those who never stops improving truly a rare talent...
He's special. I noticed him first when he scored on a beautiful individual effort at the senior WCs in 2019 before the draft. He has it all.
I love Seider so damn much. Was so glad i went to get wings vs caps game in DC back in November. The excitement was like back when I saw datsyuk play in person for the first time. Very easy to spot every time he was on the ice too lmao, dudes huge!
Agree 🥅🐙🐙
Wow, incredible analysis!!
Well done! 👍
This video is exactly why Seider should not only be Rookie of the Year but a Norris trophy 🏆 finalist.
THIS year!
YES
Wouldn't be surprised if he gets nominated for the Norris this year, although I don't think he's quite on that level yet. I think next season he could seriously have a chance at the Norris. I also think he should definitely win the Calder, especially if he keeps playing like he has been.
He’s 100% on that level. The Norris trophy has become a joke tho so whatever
I would, no way he's getting close with the seasons Makar, Hedman, Fox, and Ekblad are having.
@@Hotdawgfilms because its an offense first trophy now. Hedman was a finalist last year, and the team was better with him on the bench than the ice. The Norris is a joke of a trophy now
@@monstajd Hedman, Fox, Makar, and Ekblad are monsters this year on both offense and defense.
Hedman's defensive play last year is exactly why he didn't win. The Norris hasn't gone to the defenseman with the most points in 5 years.
@@monstajd It's also very very hard to win your first Norris trophy. Once you have the first one they come easier. Just look at Lidstrom. He should have gotten the Norris trophy 2-3 times before he actually won his first one. Once he got it the flood gates opened and I would argue a couple of them should have gone to others.
Following him over the years it was no surprise he would play like that in the NHL. Everyone who saw him in his first pro season saw this coming. That‘s why they drafted him that early. Since the german league was not on the map before him, it was a surprise for a lot of people outside Europe.
I'm surprised you didn't break down that one man PK he did about a week or two ago
I knew he was something special but I couldn't have explained it like this, nice work man.
Seeing what Yzerman did in Tampa it was foolish for anyone to question his draft picks knowing his development first ideology.
thanks for the video and what a player. I'm really looking to see him play the next decade
in 2019 right at the draft everyone way scared about the pick and me as a german watching seider in del i thought what a steal at 6
This man- child is truly special. This is going to be a fun ride.
I was expecting Seider to be pretty good after his seasons in Grand Rapids and the SHL, but he is already a really solid D-man. And to think that he's just going to keep getting better
seider domination of the shl actually got his defensive partner, Eric Gelinas, a shot to get back to the nhl. Unfortunately, it did not work out for Gelinas, but a good example of Seider carrying d partners already.
Edit - when Seider gets a new contract I hope he says "mo money, mo problems"
Just think how much better he’ll be when not paired with Danny Dekeyser. I think they’d split him and edvinson on different pairs but even someone halfway competent will go a long way
Exactly. Once they bring in edvinson or even sebrango, Johansson, wallinder, whoever from their pipeline; mo’s play will open up even more
@@tomdower6668 No Yzerman picked Edvisison strictly to pair with Seidar. Opposite hand, there play styles mech so well. Will be best two defensemen in the league in three years.
Wings have needed something like Seider ever since Lidstrom retired. Kid has been unbelievably good! After following him ever since he got drafted the kid has done nothing but prove people wrong. I’ve been hyping him like crazy. Stevie took a swing and absolutely hit a no doubter with the Seider pick.
Saw him play several times in Grand Rapids, can’t believe people criticized this draft pick
I was at the game recently against the avalanche. Although they lost Seider played so damn good. I kept an eye on him the whole time he was on the ice. It’s insane how calm he is and how just simple he makes playing defense looks. It really is like watching a 10 year old elite veteran.
One other added reason for the vast improvement (and just an added reason) would be quality of teammates to make clearing break pass in zone. The positioning of them is obviously 10x better.
Coming from a Leafs fan, it's gonna suck having this perennial Norris Trophy candidate In our division for the next 15 years
Absolutely my favorite Red Wing…. I haven’t been this excited to watch a player every game since Datsyuk retired.
kronwall coached him up a bit over there
Yes and now Lidstrom is going to be coaching all these D.
To think, he's doing this with a supporting cast (Dekeyser, Leddy, Staal) that he has to over compensate for most of the time. Once Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder, McIsaac, and co. all start moving into those spots, imagine where he could go.
Can't wait to see the Edvinsson-Seider pairing making NHL forecheckers like they're playing Jr. B. Albert Johansson is going to be a good one, too. We (EliteProspects) had him ranked a top-50 prospect entering the season, and he's even better now. Lots of similar stuff to Seider, just at a lower level: activation, killing rushes, handling skill and patience. Should be a staple on the second pairing soon.
Thank you for the great video. This kid is going to be fun to watch for years to come.
If there was an award for “most valuable rookie” he would win hands down, at 20 yrs old to come into this league and step up to the plate the way he has is incredible, a year ago I would’ve said he would develop into a #1 dman in a couple years but he already is the #1, and I CANNOT wait to see him paired with edvinsson, two 6’5+ giants with endless potential on the blue line, the next ten years in Detroit are going to be good.
Just subbed... you did an excellent job with this video.. Looking forward to more of your content!
This was a phenomenal film analysis! I’d love to see more content like this from you guys.
Well done video; good recognition, insight, analysis.
He’s a future hall of famer. His game is perfect!
...and he is still improving. We will have to redefine perfect.
@@davidfreeman2316 He will get better with Edvinsson on the left side.
The perfect human 2.0 incoming!! Gonna be a pain watching him play against my team for years but GODDANM does he make it look effortless
I have been loving watching this dude this season, Red Wings looking to be tough in a few years again. Trust the process.
I'm so glad Stevie doesn't pay attention to what the "experts" say and he picked Seider at 6. Everybody thought he was crazy but he knew what Mo was capable of!
Great analysis and breakdowns, ty
Nice breakdown bro, god I can't get enough of this kid, future Norris for sure looking like that
He's like a Lidstrom but has REAL SANDPAPER in his game and will hit similar to Kronwall and doesn't take sh#t from anyone,tough guy or not.🤜🤛
REAL SANDPAPER? Can you elaborate?
Konstantinov is who he reminds me of the most.
Gotta be honest I don't think he's much like Lidstrom at all lol
Let's calm down there buddy. He's an amazing player and by far my favorite mostly because everyone doubted him. Let's not compare him the the GOAT of defense though.
@@dukeford8893 He's rough and tough and he takes no guff!
Great video man. I’ve been talking up my boy the Last few years. I had recently moved Germany before pandemic. He’s so much fun to watch.
Every train ride, well worth it.
Moritz has the potetial to be the best Defender in Nhl History !!!
Awesome video man. Truly great content
Great video. 👍 incredibly informative and very well articulated!
Fantastic video showing all the little details you might not notice in the defensive zone how he moves the puck effectively.
Very well made video, I love his play-analysis
Remember the pundits and insiders reactions at Yzerman’s selection of this kid? He’d go first overall today. He will be the next defenseman to have his number retired by Detroit.
Thank you for your insight. I'm subbing. Also looking forward to a lot more of your observations.
Excellent breakdown!
That was a pretty impressive video. Subscribed!
really nice job here of displaying improvement I've played and coached a lot of hockey and picked up a few things here.... that dangle he got away with at 4:15 in his own zone looks brilliant as it worked but it also could have been a disastrous turnover... just one of those things but overall this was a really well done....and living in detroit I have to get to a game this season and see how he's doing live... thanks again!
Nah, Detroit's down late in the game (i.e., time to try stuff). If he stops inside the pass reception, he loses the advantage that he created by building speed before getting the puck. If he just keeps the puck on the forehand/hip pocket after reception, the forechecker can just reach out and dispossess him. By playing the puck like that, he turns a pass that's behind him into a forehand puck at speed with almost zero risk. It's flashy and it's also the best play he can make in that moment.
@@mitchellbrown2303 exactly, it was about the situation/context
Excellent, objective analysis! Thanks!
I love these videos
He really could be the next Lidström.
More like the next Bobby Orr
@@ObiWannaBrick31 more like you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Sieders ceiling is high, when he wins the Norris next season or the season after that, the bitterness you have towards him only will increase 10 fold. That makes me happy.
@@stopdroolin8418 🥰
Incredible break down.
As a Sens fan... he reminds me of Erik Karlsson... but bigger, better defensively and lower offensive ceiling (but still high in general). This guy will be a top 5 D man in the league for the rest of his career.
This guy is gonna be MVP-year Pronger caliber.
Will be better than pronger, no slouch on prong but trust me he will be better
No. But I could see him becoming the next Lidstrom
@@ObiWannaBrick31 Yep, just like Carlo, except he is nearly on pace to match Carlo's career points totals in his rookie season, and he is better at every facet of the game, but sure, otherwise they're the same player.
@@ObiWannaBrick31 just tell us you don't like sieder hitting and taking the puck from your favorite teams best player.
@@ObiWannaBrick31 Sieders on track to win the Norris within 2 years. Red wings will be solid as fuck next year. Fuck outta here with that Carlo bullshit
Please make a video on McAvoy. Man breaks the puck out so well and his offensive game is super underrated.
I haven't finished this video yet so you may mention it but if not I want everyone to remember his paartner has been DANNY DEKEYSER. The dude was once a good red wings but he has now become dead wheight. I can't stress to you all how bad DDK is. That fact that he can do all this with ddk just makes me so excited for what he's able to do with a decent partner.
Edvinsson will be better than decent and as an offensive defensemen will be a perfect fit as LD to Seider. Future is bright
The moment you start comparing a forward's points to a defender's, you know who the clear winner is.
Mo has also most ice time, most blocked shots, and fourth most hits by a rookie this season (right now).
Damn awesome video. He is so strong and smart
Other than some of his more dangerous plays in his own zone to the front of the net, I think he’s the best all-around defenseman to come into the league since McAvoy.
Cale makar?
@@maciejczernia7490 Cale’s defense relies on him having the puck on his stick and keeping it out of their zone. McAvoy does it all. Elite from his blue line in, really good first pass, really good offensively, and incredibly physical and impossible to win puck battles against. He doesn’t put up the numbers, but he’s a better all-around defenseman than Makar. Again, nothing against Makar. God-tier offensive play, but gets exposed in his zone - especially when people send bodies in against them. Really all of the Avs blue line shares that flaw.
And I think Seider is like a bigger, stronger McAvoy with more chance to jump into the play.
Whoa, excellent analysis
So good! Skills, size, snarl, confidence
Very impressive. Best of luck young man.
He reminds me so much of Victor Hedman, which is not good because that means Stevie Y found Detroit a lock down D-man for the next 15 years. An absolute necessity for any cup team.
Tbh Seider is way better than what Hedman was at that age. Seider was among the best rookies the SHL has ever seen. Up there with Forsberg, Pettersson and the Sedin twins.
Great video. You are really good at identifying and explaining high IQ plays.
You forgot about Kronwall who's working with Detroit's D prospects in Sweden as well as GR/DRW when he's there.
Also didn't mention Rögle BK's staff, GR, Adler Mannheim, and his int'l and off-season coaches. Development's a full team effort, and Seider and Detroit really did an amazing job here.
He's a fantastic young player with a bright future in the NHL
Excellent player.
Future is bright.
Great video thanks for sharing
Once he sheds the ball and chain we all know as Danny Dekeyser and gets an above average d partner he's going to be even better. The fact his stats and advanced stats are so damn impressive right now with DDK is insane. I think once him and Edvinsson pair up it's going to be game over. That top PP unit is going to be lethal.
For sure, Mo and Leddy were a top pair! The top PP is already pretty deadly. We aren't running 2 D on PP1 so Edvinsson won't help in that regard, but I am excited for the future of this team!
@@first_last- cute been a fan what 15 years tops 🤣
@@first_last- The only reason i can see them both of a unit together would be to put Mo on the left half wall kind of like a Hronek roll because i personally see Mo better suited for that than Hronek already. Of course he wouldn't be exclusively taking over half wall duties. Half walls and points tend to switch off often on good powerplays, having two pp qbs on one pp switching off and garnering new looks would be deadly. I think it could be something that could be used here and there to generate some good offense. But for now I still have Mo as pp qb #1 for the forseeable future. He's just too good at it.
The Wings have to have among the best defensive prospects in the league as well. Once they shore up the top 6 up front they'll be back on top of the NHL, which could be as soon as just a few years from now.
'23/'24 season 1st playoff appearance
Seider and Lucas Raymond are going to dominate in the NHL very soon!
My favourite is when people try to get one back on him and he just sits them down. So satisfying to watch.
Mo has clearly had the biggest impact to his team as a rookie in the NHL. He is a shoe-in for the Calder and will be a top 10 vote getter for Norris.
Plus, with Kronwall and Lidstrom as his mentors/advisors, the kid is gonna be headed for all-time greatness.
He looks great!
Wings gonna have a couple big time studs on the blue line for years to come. Still need someone they can count on to pot 40 consistently
Agree, two top D, depth and G looks pretty good, but still need a star forward.
@@TAVMANIAN I think Stevie Y is gonna snag a steal star forward in this upcoming draft.. Idk for some reason Yzerman has just been drafting gold since his arrival in Detroit.
Great breakdown, but as a fan of Rögle in SHL I will point out that not do break outs from defensive zone to neutral zone in the center but preferred play style are along the sides. But totally agree that Seider have improved and he was already great last year.
hes one of the only few on detroit that does't panic pass. most of them freak out when they get the puck
If he doesn’t win the Calder I’m never taking the NHL awards seriously again
He gets noticeably better every week. He has such a high ceiling, can't wait to see him in 3-4 years. He's going to be a better skating Chris Promger with great hands....
and not a douchbag
You didn't mention the world championship 2021 between his season in the shl and the NHL. He was awarded the Best Defenseman of the tournament and got voted in the All Star Team there.
Great video and I love watching these defensive plays - shows Moritz has some real smarts. Get sick of highlight videos of defensemen, where it just shows them shooting goals.
How could you be wrong about him when he is not even 21 yet, and he’s a D man. Yzerman has a great scouting track record as well.
Shawn Horcoff is a great person for player development. The new crew behind the scenes really made a big difference for the whole team
It looks like it - that is good because they are going to need it
With Cale being an absolute stud... how many Norris trophies can Mo win in his career? 2/3?!
He's going to be better then Lidstrom I think. Kid is a stud and has skill moves of a forward. I'm excited for the future of my Red Wings. I just would love to see them get there faster and start making the playoffs again.
No defensemen will ever be better than Lidstrom in the history of the sport. They called him Mr. Perfect for a reason, literally never out of position and won 7 Norris' (second most to Orr), 4 Stanley Cup's and 1 Conn Smythe.
@@T-Will-4554 Lidstrom was very good but this kid has more skill then him! Did Lidstrom win the calder?
@@erabbitgamingofficial1 Skill is far less important than being one of the best shutdown defensemen of all time. Lidstrom easily should’ve won the Calder, he finished 2nd to Pavel Bure with the same amount of points. Let’s see if Seider can win even half as many Norris’s as Lidstrom
@@nrmproductions1150 He will, and he'll score more points in his career. He's that good.
There is a simple reason why his breakout has changed so much. Because in his early years he was taught to play the puck out over the boards if he is pressured. Young guys in pro leagues are taught to rather play it safe than making mistakes in their own zone. Especially if you play for very successful teams were every win matters. It took time to change that mindset.
I wished he would have fallen to #10 for the Canucks (but I still think Podkolzin will be a good player).
Seider was already playing against in the pro against men in the DEL during his draft year and was apparently a go-to defender for his team.
If he wasn't German and was maybe playing in the SEL or CHL, he probably would have went #1 overall.
Not a huge fan of Red Wings in total, but Seider and Raymond plus players like Bertuzzi, Larkin, and Givani. They are gems to watch in my opinion. Seider and Zegras are my top 2 for the Calder right now and should be a great head to head during the season
thanks steve
Just hope my boy Seider can have a career trajectory like Cale Makar… although they’re different blue liners, Seider is already showing to be a gritty d-man.
hes like a videogame character, literally spinning all over the ice and causing crazy dekes/jukes and it always works lol
Edvinsson-Seider future pairing would arguably easy be top 10 in the league even top 5 what an excitement !
You again I see you on every red wings video I click on.
No way. Top 20 at best
@@ObiWannaBrick31 sad little troll
@@ObiWannaBrick31 shut the fuck up. Who's your favorite player? Yeah sieders denied whoever it is forsure. Sieder and Edvinsson will be a top 5 defensive pair in the league next season. Wait til they're full developed... Best defensive pair in the league hands down.
@@wantsome-zs5sq and Is that forbidden or something like that ? 🤔
That 7 foot wingspan provides an added edge of sweep check ability as well as corralling the loose puck.
But check out his blade work and stick blade while defending in 1v1. Evens up with defenders if not rushing their decision making by coming forward at them to accelerate them into a play that is not optimal. Forwards already have a difficult time generating offense if Seider is pressing the defense.
Future AAV should range from $9 to $10 million
Every hit is clean