Urban ELECTRIC scooter & motorcycle comparison! (Zero vs GenZe vs City Slicker vs BloomScooter)
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The more I here about that city slicker the more I want one.
SSSSSSSAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEE
Same bro. Same.
The city slicker looks like a honda grom
From now on, I will only accept my measurements in Bananas.🍌
"This bike weighs about 648 bananas, has a seat height of 6 bananas, a carry capacity of 930 bananas, turn radius of 31.2 bananas and charges in about the time it takes to eat between 2400 and 3000 bananas."
"I'll take it!"
"Great. That will be 157,000 Bananas please. Will you be paying in Cavendish or Plantain?"
The FXS also has a 'budget' version (the 3.6 modular) which *does* have removable battery, and 1/2 the range (50 miles city / 20 highway) for $8495 ($2000 cheaper!). Everything else about the bike is the same, and you can always upgrade it with a second battery to get the same range as the FXS 7.2.
Some states have rebates in addition to that (in CA, $900 off), taking it down to $7,600(!)
The IRS used to have a 10% credit on top of that, which brought this down to an irresistible price, but it hasn't been renewed since tax-year 2017
Thank you, Micah, for another great video!
This is the exact kind of comparison video I've been waiting for. Perfect! It seems like the City Slicker is a good compromise between price and performance.
I AM MORE OFF-ROAD what is there for off roading??????????
@@georgefenrich4119 There is a company called alta that used to produce a offroad bike callled the "redshift" I would recommend checking that out. I would also recommend a bike called the "Sur-ron Bee," it's truly a great bike for the price.
@@georgefenrich4119
Zero FX
Thank you for the eskooter comparision, and for sharing your knowledge to the DIY community. Keep up the great work!
Great review, thanks for covering ALL the bases!
Thorough, concise, comprehensive and well presented. Thank you very much.
The review I've been waiting for! 👍👍 Onyx RCR vs Super SOCO vs Rumble Motor Scramble vs CSC City Slicker 😉
Can we get a fact check on the number of bananas the City Slicker can hold?
We need no longer fear the banana. lol.
I'm sorry but that has to be a deal breaker for me. I need it to hold at least 7 Bananas otherwise what's the point? Critical design flaw...
Very good review. Very thorough. Great choice of bikes too ! Thanks!
Awesome video man! When is the next motorcycle conversion video?
A shame Zero withdrew from Australia a couple of years ago. An electric future looks pretty exciting to me. Thanks for the video!
A good review, and some are going to say why scooters with motorcycles? But I believe it shows a good comparison of what you can expect from these types of vehicles. As a experienced dualsport then streetbike rider, who is starting to seriously look into electrics as a now older gent, appreciate these reviews.
I feel like you really make a point to watch your words when reviewing products. It's always positive and you refrain from giving true criticism to the companies in question. I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Could you do a complete ebike part build list comparison for different sized motors available online? Kinda like different kits you could recommend for different types and levels of riding. Thanks, love your channel!
Great reviews, lots of good information
The city slicker is sold here in New Zealand as a 50cc equivalent moped as it's limited it 30mph but with a 15 second button press combo it opens it up to 125cc equivalent.
So we only pay $160 registration a year, no yearly inspection and no license needed. If it was a 125cc equivalent it would be $500 a year registration, a yearly roadworthy inspection and a full license
Instead of paying that retail premium, buy a 5kW hub motor and then $4k in batteries! That will give u 100 mile range at 40-50 mph. =D
clean video, hope to ride one soon
nice comparison. keep them coming.
Great comparison!
Oh wow, nice review. I would like a electric scooter like these one day, at the moment I use a Mercane Wide Wheel. It is great but I need to make another battery for it.
Nice video Micah, I was just hoping for this type of comparison. I have a few questions though: Seems like your Electric Motorcycle Ebook doesn't have the bloom scooter. Forgot to add it? Also, any thoughts on the frame material of different scooters and motorcycles? Mainly thinking of the all aluminum frame of the GenZe. Does this mean if you use the scooter for 10+ years you might run into a fatigue failure of the frame? Any idea what the frame material of the City Slicker is?
Awesome bikes😀 like it always informative .
Thanks for the nice review .
Nice informative video. Thanks
Hey Micah 👋 have you tried the ONYX?
Zero has other bikes for those interested in motorcycles. Some have twice the range of the FX shown here. The new Zero SR/F has breathtaking acceleration that tops out at 125mph. Lots of fun w/o burning any fossils :)
Great review. Very helpful. Have you considered reviewing the Onyx motorbike?
I'm trying to decide between the Onyx vs City Slicker as I feel like they're in relatively similar categories
Great review!
Great info! Thank you.
I bought a Sur-Ron from Luna cycle. I registered it as a moped in California. You should see about reviewing one. Thanks
But doesn't that mean that you will also need to have an M2 endorsement on your CA drivers license, and insurance? I also don't want to be speed limited to 30 mph. I don't want to risk impoundment. Did you put the pedal kit on it?
@@SilverShadow2LWB I have an M1 already i already did the class for my motorcycle. I'm waiting for my plate in the mail. Also I do have the pedal kit havent put it in yet. I have been communicating 20 miles a day for 3 weeks and havent had a problem been keeping it at 30 mph.
@@addison888 I would advise you to not install the pedal kit with the new 25 tooth rear sprocket. If you do, you will lose all your low end torque. Get the kit with the longer chain that utilizes the original rear sprocket, I think 46 tooth.
I am going to see the Z fxs tomorrow, sweet.
That was the best voiceover ever...lol nice one
Haha thanks, yea I tried to make it work. How silly of me to forget the range part....
Excellent! Charming chap! :)
Nice comparison
I'm looking forward to Onyx and NIU NGT reviews.
The one piece of information I was waiting for is the charge rate. I own a Genze 2.0 and it takes about 4-5 hours to get my 30 miles from 0. I was hoping the CitySlicker charged a bit faster since I'm probably going to get one as well.
Hi can you please do a video on AliExpress but on if the accessories point of view , or a GPS tracking , or how to build a battery for an alarm that is charge from the controller
I realize this video is almost a year old but going forward can you also include warranty coverage and maybe a customer support comparison? I personally feel that this gives you an idea of the manufacturer’s trust and support of it’s product.
Disclaimer: on April 8th i will have owned a GenZe 2.0 for 2 years AND will be picking up my Zero DSR-Black Forest (with charge tank option) in May if the country/world is back in business. BTW i have a little over 2,000 miles on the GenZe and love it.
Hi great video. Yes. You made my day.
Hi
I love how you make videos and motivate us to go Electric all the way.
I have 20 inch kick bike and 250w 36V 10.9Wh set up. I tested 2wd and i looove it. You must try it. Welcome to SLOVENIJA!
if i would buy one of the 2 right bikes, what would be the CC they go for , because I can ride up to 125cc with my drivers licence for my car ,
I am in Spain
High quality review Micah
Now you need a cameraman:)
Definitely a step up in quality
Hey bro Im in mass too! great video
The zero bike is awesome. Please do review indian electric vehicles like the ather 450, Okinawa praise, Tork motors and emflux..
great video but my question is, i he both scooters cost 2-3 grand and only go 25-30 mph and have hardly any storage anyways what would be better a fat bike mountain ebike that you can build with a 2,000 what motor that i think would go faster than those for much cheaper or the scooter?
Many thanks. Great.
Thanks!
Can you provide information on performance drops when riding with two people on the City Slicker?
Good job dubbing the range info
Thanks, good stuff. I have a question
I live in a hilly city. In your experience, how much will constant uphills cut down on the range of the City Slicker? Have you had a chance to test that?
Have you heard of the maike Sgt scooter? Just got one from Alibaba it Should be here by the end of the month
If the Bloom scooter had a lithium battery of the same capacity as it's lead-acid battery, what would be the saving in weight and size?
Hey I recently subbed to your channel, have you ever reviewed ONYX bikes? small company but it seems like the bikes have been really well reviewed. Im hoping in the next year to raise the funds to do a DIY ebike and I plan on using all your videos for reference.
There are many Urban ELECTRIC scooters you could show us how to change the controller for one that is not with speed limiters and you could explain how to connect to continue using the scooter board as well as its directional light functions alarm etc. thank you very much your videos and books hopefully I can win some I am in Guadalajara Jalisco Mexico and I do not know if we also participate... my scooter has a 800w BOSCH hub motor limited to 45kmh with a 60v 20ah battery I know I can give more!! but I do not know how? I have seen in Argentina that put a button (turbo) and go to 75km / h for rises or passes
Hello, I have a question: I am a newbie, how do I make my bike waterproof, I ordered my 52v 48amp battery in triangle housing i need to make connectors as well as housing for the bike, there's no place to find custom ones, my bike will be cube aim pro 2019 29" version?
I'm trying to build a diy moped (max 50kmph, urban only) conversion from a Honda Cub, what wattage motor should I get?
Micah, you need to try out the BMW c evolution.
I like the gen z except. Our speed limits here are 40 mph. Is there a hack to by pass the 30 mph program? Great review by the way!
How do you compare the city slicker with boom motorcycle which has pretty much similar specs but 100 dollar less price?
I like the fast one too.
I don't like the styling of the zero.
Did you mention how long each bike takes to charge fully ?
I bought battery with boston power swing 5300 Cells 48V16A It is considered good cells??
That Zero bike is hot!
Dongfang falcon has done me well. Mine may be 20kw now, but ehhh. They're easy to get to 7kw
Having had both a scooter and a motorcycle, I wish you would have said something about wheel diameter vs stability. The larger wheel diameter on two of those scooters should make them feel more stable then the scooters with smaller wheels.
Hmm the City Slicker back seat is the least comfortable. I wonder if they have any add ons that can help
Nice
You could have included the Daymak e-bike as one of you urban scooters
thanx
Go head Micah, let them know Genze rules the category :-) I used to ride a K75 and I get more biker nods on the Genze 🛵👏
Price included I think the city slicker wins!
🤔Hey Micah. Don't forget the range on these scooters. Its very important that we need the know how far can we ride without ran out of power. That way we don't have to push the scooter up to 70 plus mile back to our vehicles.
If you know of any good quality ebikes in Cambodia let me know. I am going to be moving there in July and will be living outside of Phenom Penh. Will be riding on dirt roads and tarmac roads. Driving speeds are moderate because of congestion and hazards. I am guessing the Zero would be the best however I will be passenger riding and some storage would be helpful. Like your channel and promoting ebikes is so important. This is the future!
Id love any of the zero bikes as a second motorcycle.
Great bikes!
Ever ride a emmo.There nice..I got a candy red one. The nice thing about it is the 4 speeds(gears)...u have. 4th being the highest ive got up to 66mph. I still want it to go faster. 85mph would be perfect!
And here in ontario you have to have the pedals left on. I absolutely hate them. I feel the pedals can cause more accidents than anything. Especially turning corners.
What are you using to film the riding scenes... Insta360?
Probably one of those sticks that attaches to a backpack and "vanishes" with their built in software.
I guess you didn't have the onyx rcr available.
I have a Zoom Electric Scooter (Same as the Bloom scooter)
and I had the same complaint about the rear suspension when I first got it and started riding it.
I found it to be very stiff and the shocks would top out way to easy. I was riding the same position as you are in the video too.
But the secret is very, very simple! When riding by yourself all you need to do is slide back on the seat farther, which is nice too, because it's allows for some really nice leg room.
By distributing more body weight over the rear wheel and rear coil-over shocks, the smoother/ softer the ride will get.
It's like a night and day difference. In fact, I'm not a tall guy, 5'6", but I find that I like riding with my back almost touching the back rest!
Doing so gives me a full stretch out on my legs, which is especially nice on long rides.
In conclusion, For the cost, in my opinion, the Zoom, (or Bloom) is absolutely the best value for the buck, and comes standard with the most features too.
Can you tell me if the zoom also doesnt have removable batteries? Are they lead or lithium ion? How is it holding up? Are you able to get it to 30mph?
@@michaelhinchey Hey thanks for your reply! The Zoom uses 6 SLA sealed lead acid type batteries. They are designed to not be removable, as all charging is done onboard, with the supplied charger at no extra cost.
These type batteries should last 5 years or so, similar to a car battery.
But when the time to replace comes, I plan on up-grading to lithium-ion, if not sooner. The cost of Lithium batteries is coming down each year.
There are 3 batteries under the seat, and the other 3 are under the foot pan.
They are easy to get to once the body panels are removed, along with the seat housing, and the foot pan. I ride it every chance I get and still loving it.
Other than a small staple in the tire, I've had zero maintenance, and currently have 2275 Kilometers on it. I charge it up regularly and it will cruise at a solid 40 KPH. Not quite 30 mph, but plenty fast around town.
I've had it now for just over a full year, and I can tell you that it looks as good as it did when it was brand new. I polished all the plastic panels with Dri-Wash & Guard, which keeps them glossy and slippery. The most detailing work is with the wheels, and under carriage. If you mention my name at Zoom Scooters, they may offer you an extra little discount! :)
@@stevekehrtastic9292 Thanks Steve. I heard back from a person at Zoom. Super nice people. I purchased one but with the lithium removable battery. They stated its approx 20 lbs. That is quite heavy but not as heavy as their on board batteries. I also bought the luggage rack and cover. I think for the money it's perfect for what I need it for. I wish it was a bit faster but then it would have to be registered as a motorcycle. PA LAWS about these type of bikes are odd, weird and hard to understand. I wish they read more clear. Thanks for the reply. PS I Think they may have changed their batteries to gel based.
@@michaelhinchey P.S. I just read your other reply, so some of my other replies to you may seem strange. lol. I wasn't even aware of the gel type batteries or even the removable Lithium battery pack! Which was your original question. Sorry, my info was very out dated. My scooter is probably one of the earlier ones with lead-acid. I'm glad that the market for electric scooters is growing in the US. Here in Indiana I have a Class B registration plate, which is fine, my only complaint is the extra $150/ year EV tax. I think that is ridiculous for a little scooter to have to pay the same amount of EV tax as a Tesla Model S ! Very unfair, and not proportional.
@@stevekehrtastic9292 I think registering here in Philly is 9 bucks. But rules are un clear if I even need to. I think 50cc and under you dont need to register but then it states they are illegal to ride on roads. Seems like that is a catch 22 that you shouldnt be driving them at all in Pa. I'm so unsure. I have never seen a police officer pulling over a moped /type scooter so I'll take my chances.
The BloomScooter has lead-acid batteries?? No thank you.
Just use lead acid batteries for what they are then convert to lithium when the time comes. Its better at times then paying an overpriced premium for lithium batteries.
@@stevenmarquez4476 spend a bunch of time modding a scooter?? No thank you
@@arcrides6841 Not a lot of time or modding needed actually but i understand some may not want to deal with it.
@@stevenmarquez4476 Perhaps for people who have experience with modifying or building EV's. But that's gotta be like 1% of the population. The other 99% would need to spend time researching, learning, trying, failing ect. A serious burden.
@@arcrides6841 On the other hand once you learn how to do it yourself you don't have to rely on others to work on your bike.
PLEASE do a top 5/10 video of the best EV’s for $1600 or under! America sucks and doesn’t have too many budget options unless you go to gas 😔 They got things like Honda Grom clones and stuff for super cheap, I wish Icebear made Electric bikes as they’re cheap and look sporty! Please do a video on the best, most affordable, sporty looking ones that can be registered as a Moped! 🤞🏼😊✌🏼 Thank you for this video as well 😁
Can you do a review on a "zoom electric scooter"
I have a Red Zoom Electric Scooter, and even after a year I can still highly recommend them. Zero gas, Zero maintenance! I've got 2,275 Km's on it so far.
You will not be able to find a better priced electric scooter with this many standard features. Especially, it you live in the US. :)
Is city slicker automatic or manual?
You mentioned that the Bloomscooter has SLA batteries. Does that mean that the life of the battery will be 1/3 of that of lithium? What is the cost of battery replacement? Thanks
Don't even consider buying it...
The Zero bike looks like a lot of fun but might be a little too much for a 73 yo. Thanks for a very informative review.
Yes, Zero offers multiple kinds of electric motorcycles.
Maybe the DS would be more comfortable.
Powerwise there is also a 11kw version, at least in the European market.
You should review the electric Flux Moped. While listed as a moped, it is really a scooter. It is more powerful and reliable that low end scooters those you reviewed on this video. It easily cruses at 36 mph and is reliable. They based in Wisconsin and will ship to every state. 100% road legal. No mc license needed. Cost is $2400. I am a very satisfied customer.
I've tried, trust me. Been waiting over half a year to get one for review...
what are the laws for these (live in souther california parts)
How about the zoom scooter. Looks like bloom but are the batteries lithium or lead?
For anyone reading this. You can upgrade the battery to lithium for some extra cash. Their batteries are gel based. This company seems to be a good group of people that answer your questions pretty quickly. My answers came on a sat. I considered the Bloom, bmw and vespa electrika but ultimately chose this bike over them because here in the usa we are in our infancy with electric scooters. The next 5 years you will see many advancements. #hopingtoagreenerfuture
I want your DIY lithium batteries.
the cord for the zero just laying there loose in the swingarm seems like a very odd and dangerous design!? I mean sure, it feels tight and compact, but imagine the cord coming loose and getting into your weel while driving!
Don't trust storing your cord in the Zero swing arm. I've done that with my Zero SR and it fell out while riding.
you missed that on the Zero, you can actually use the electric car chargers and fast chargers with an adapter. no one else has that.
Not true. There are other Zero models that do support this, but the Zero FX and FXS only support charging from household current (110v in United States). There is an optional adaptor from J1772 (a typical electric car charger connector) to the Zero FX / FXS, but it doesn't actually charge any faster than household current (about 9 hours for a full charge). There is no level 2 or level 3 fast charging option for these bikes; the closest you can get is buying from 1-4 external charging bricks that can all multiplex together to bring the charging time down, but at $600 for each charging brick, that's not a great option.
With that said, I love my Zero FX - it's got crazy power, is awesome for dirt or street, and I just plug it in overnight and I'm ready to go every morning.
I wish someone made an electric Cruiser. Something like a Rebel, Shadow or Vulcan.
G@@D Review! Thanks
The bloomscooters speedo inaccuracy would not be legal here in UK. Speedo must read within 10% of real speed and must also over-read
What about Super soco and the Tc Max ? That's a lot cheaper than the Zero which is totally inaffordable.
The Zero is no moped, every bike has his price for what it delivers.
I'm still here for the book ^^
BTW, the battery on the Zero is hilighted so much by the design, I would have been sure it was removable. it's a bit weird I guess..
They have a version that breaks the pack into two removable modules, but it's more expensive and most people say they end up not removing the batteries.
Just to clarify. Yeah the ZF7.2 battery is not removable, but it also weighs 90ib.
The ZF3.6 battery option is removable from the fx and fxs models. Cheaper too. However with half the range.
But you can add a second battery so... 3.6 + 3.6 = 7.2. So you can get the same range as the ZF7.2. with a modular battery, it is slightly more expensive though.
oh, that makes sense.
any 0-60 # ?