This Outboard Motor Will Change Boating Forever!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Why do I say this outboard motor will change boating forever? This new outboard motor for small boats is a major step forward for the types of products and technology we will be seeing in the future. When comparing 3 hp equivalent electric outboard motors from Torqeedo, ePropulsion, Mercury and Newport, the Newport NT300 3hp electric outboard motor stands out for several reasons.
Small electric propulsion outboard boat motors are becoming more common and the Newport NT300 is a new electric outboard model that uses an external battery making it similar to a trolling motor in how it can be used and managed. The other similar horsepower models such as the Torqeedo Travel 1103C, ePropulsion Spirit Plus and Mercury Avator 7.5e all use an integrated proprietary battery while the Newport Vessels NT300 uses a separate traditional battery.
While we still can't really determine the best electric outboard motor, we can determine which one is the cheapest, lightest and comes with the biggest potential range battery. If you are shopping for a small 3 hp electric outboard motor for your jon boat, inflatable boat, small boat, kayak, or other watercraft the Newport products should be on your short list of options to consider.
00:00 Introduction
02:35 Why I think this outboard motor will change boating forever
03:55 Small Torqeedo, ePropulsion and Mercury electric outboards use a proprietary battery
04:33 Torqeedo Travel 1103C electric outboard specifications
05:49 ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus electric outboard specifications
07:00 Mercury Avator 7.5e electric outboard specifications
07:45 Newport NT300 electric outboard specifications
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At about $200 more, is the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus worth it? th-cam.com/video/fnVhaAesIKs/w-d-xo.html
The external battery is a huge benefit. You use the battery as a counterweight by placing opposite to where you're sitting and balance the boat so that you can sit offside and be comfortable while your boat is nice and level. For an electric motor, usually the problem is the battery, it wears out or you get a shorted cell, you can slap another marine battery from anywhere on there and use it.
Could easily get a 36v solar charge controller, and a foldable solar panel, and happily just charge the battery whilst you're floating around fishing.
The ability to distribute the weight of the motor and the power pack as mentioned is also amazing.
Would be very cool to see if there's a way to get data as well for fishing enthusiasts 'we all know electric trolling motors are quiet, and that's one reason we like using them - keeps the noise down, and fish stay in the area more' - how quiet this new motor is vs a comparable 3HP gas motor.
Additionally, with just electric motor, shaft, probably a flex-coupling or 2 (depending on how they mounted the motor orientation to the shaft) and some bearings vs. a gas engine where now you've got to worry about hoses getting rotted out, water in your fuel, carburetor cleaning, fuel/air mix, starting pistons and other maintenance, this new motor will be worlds different for maintenance.
Cuz adding weight to anything is always the best solution...How to make sure your batteries die faster? Pile in more heavy batteries for it to push around. I swear you idiots hear the word electric and all common sense goes out the window. This isnt NEW tech. Its passed over tech that only some dumbass sitting in his basement would find a need for.
Nothing cooks a battery faster than heat. And not much else is hotter than a boat in mid summer. Whats that you say? You can solve this by simply using a large cooler packed with ice? More bs, more weight, and not a solution. Excuse me, im out of power, do you have a xyz battery by chance? No? But you have fuel? These are the types of gimmicks that end up at the bottom sooner or later. Its garbage.
The electric motor is OK on a lake boat.
As an old school marine tech, I’ve only been waiting a half century for this.
Wish I had one!
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Good joke😅
Wayne, I think for small outboard (like less than 3HP), go electric is the way, no matter how. The whole system is simply much neat, I mean, literally, neat and clean, not smelly. Let alone in some places, gas engines are not allowed. For fisherman, it carries more benefit as being quiet. Price is indeed a major showstopper, however. Even the cheapest combination like in your video, it costs a thousand dollars more than a gas engine. I have been looking for a more economic way to power my 11 ft skiff and came across this wonderful solution. I found in Taobao (Alibaba's Chinese equivalent), the OEM's for most of these outboard you mentioned are selling their own brand of the same motors for much less (different designs though). I ordered a 86 lb (2HP) motor for $160, a 24V 200 AH battery (LiFePO4) for $405, which can last more than 4 hours at top speed (48 A power drain). Plus air-shipping cost of around $300 (total weight of 30 kg, with $10 a kg), total comes less than $1000. With this cost, going electric even with a much more powerful solution is no brainer.
Over the last couple of years I've tried hard to justify what you have presented today. The killer was always the price, along with being locked into a battery system. WE all have committed to a battery system with our shop tools haven't we? This NP Vessels may be the answer, but dang that price is just killer for the power output. When you do a full review, if it is shown that this unit can be both a troller and outboard, it will be a home run. Thanks for a great video, as always!
But gasoline powered drills were never an option lol.
Bizboomer, if it will work as both that's a winner winner chicken dinner. The economic works out.
@@mikepalmer2219 😆😆😆😆😝
I think you're right, having a battery that isn't proprietary is very important and gives you way more flexibility in your power and wiring and everything on your boat.
Definitely. First time I needed to contact Torqeedo for service after more than ten years was to replace the battery and they no longer have any. It's now a very expensive anchor.
@@UguysRnutsYou can always empty the cells out of the battery casing you have now and get new cells. It needs basic skills and tools, with some looking into which cell chemistry is needed, to fit the electronics (BMS) that the old package has. Still totally doable for a normal DIYer.
@@UguysRnutsif you've still got the battery pack there are companies that'll replace the cells and it'll be as good as new for a lot less than what you'd have had to pay for a new battery pack
@@Iceberg1313 So I've been told, but Torqeedo couldn't name one and the battery companies I've located have never heard of them.
@@UguysRnuts sorry to hear that. If you were in Europe where I live you simply pick your company send it to them, you may get a call or email asking if you'd like to upgrade amps so you've more storage and it's back to you in about 2/3 weeks depending on how busy they are.
*I Built a LONGTAIL boat with a 3 hp 12 VDC drive for only $390.00 total with the 3hp Kirby motor I bought on Ebay for $249.95 with forward and reverse. Then I bought a 6 foot long piece of nice straight DRILL ROD and two 5/8" ridge coupling from McMaster-Carr and welded a home made 1/4" thick 8" two bladed tear-drop shaped prop on the end of the drill rod with an 18D pitch. The blade was sharpened to cut and underwater plants. To stop "SHAFT WRAP of weeds and fishing string I slipped a 5' piece of Sch #80 PVC pipe over the 5/8" drill-rod (PVC .722" ID) lined with marine grease. I used 2 x C" clamps welded to a base plate for a mount and welded a steering handle on it. DONE! It Rips at 27 Knots and can run in mud or water only 3" deep and rocks can't hurt the heavy soft steel blade even after a decade of abuse. After 10 years I will weld on a replacement blade for 2 bucks. Google "Long Tail Boat" for more details. Very fast and efficient speed to HP ratio.*
About time! I too have often wondered why a trolling motor manufacturer just hasn’t stepped up their game. Part of the ridiculous cost of electric outboards are the proprietary batteries and fancy electronics. We need more of the KISS principle!
I bought into the Newport line in 2015. Bought the Catilina and a 55 thrust. And their battery box. I'm amazed by their equipment. It's design and durability. Newport Vessels ain't messing around. 100.
And with this motor. You can distribute your weight. I'll normally put the battery up front for balance.
I can buy a lot of old used two stroke motors that don't need no battery for a lot less than $2,348.
Most guys using a boat like that simply do not want a 'bigger' trolling motor, they want to go faster and get where their going faster than any 3hp motor will take them, regardless of what its powered by.
We have a few 10hp limit lakes here, no one uses a 3hp anything. What they do run sometimes is two 10hp motors, or a larger motor rebadged at 10hp.
On electric only lakes, any trolling motor will doe. I found over the years that there's not a ton of difference in top speed between a 55 lb thrust motor and a 28 lb thrust motor on a given boat. I have a whole rack full of older, Minn Kota 3hp 12v trolling motors, they were made before they cheaped out and stopped including the pulse control technology in their sub $350 motors. I can run all weekend on a pair of batteries with ease.
I have experimented with hanging 5 3hp motors on the back of a 14ft aluminum boat powered with five group 24 deep cycle batteries. The boat got moving faster but did not achieve much more top speed. I suppose the fact that the boat was now heavier with the five batteries was likely working against it somewhat and the 5 motors likely were affecting each other to some degree by means of cavitation.
If someone wants to build a real electric outboard, then build one that makes 40 or 50hp that will plane a 16 ft boat all day long. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
This is my 12th year using a Torqeedo 1003 in salt water, and I'm still on the same battery. Build quality counts. Also, Torqeedos have a built in GPS as well a battery management system so my outboard can deliver speed, state of charge, watts usage in real time, range at current speed and also error codes associated with motor and battery. Having a separate battery can be an advantage in some ways, but full integration can also be good.
12 years - that’s awesome!
But isn't that same battery less power-dense, slower charging, etc, than more recent models ? Does Torqeedo use a standardized mounting system across their models so you COULD upgrade if you wanted ?
@@Dogasaurus On the Travel motors, yes. 12 years later you can buy a new battery and the newer batteries offer more juice. Mine reached end of life, and I upgraded to the new battery which offers 50% more juice.
It's a risk no matter what you buy, but my money would be on Torqeedo for availability of batteries and parts when the motors are older. They've already proved that. I'm less trusting of the other companies.
When the Torqeedo Travel motor came out, there was nothing like it! It was truly original.
Do you buy Coca-cola or a similar knock of product. I recommend buying the real thing!
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 Glad to hear they support at least some of their hardware with ongoing peripheral upgrades. Too rare/limited these days. The support thing from big vs small companies can go both ways in my experience, though. Hard to believe that 50% is the best improvement available industry-wide over the last decade. Not to mention the set up flexibility in Newport's idea.I don't like integration with tech in general; one part breaks & you lose multiple capabilities with a usually more complex fix.
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 newport is a much bigger electric motor company...i always had them #2 behind minn kota in trolling motors... u can get lifepo much cheaper with all the bells and whistles and can add on batteries...as far as parts i would just use newports warranty if needed...those motors with battery built in are just too expensive and too small....how fast can u go? and did ur battery actually make the life cycles that they claimed ?i agree with buying the real thing unless a company can do it for much less $...a 86lb trolling motor with 24v 100 amp lifepo costs 800$..can do 6mph for 2hr..of course bigger brushless trolling motor would be nice but do u think urs can do over 10mph in a small boat or kayak
Although I’m not really on the battery bandwagon, I would agree out of all the choices that you listed. This does seem to be the best value in the group. I think this does definitely serve a purpose. Usually on smaller Lakes I would use a trolling motor, so this would be a good substitute, but I don’t think there is a good substitute for a larger gas motor at this point.
Hi can you please tell me how I get one free. Like you let me know and I'll be happy to have one ????
@@fernandoovalle379 start doing reviews on everything you purchase and then reach out to the company or if you're good enough and get enough attention the companies will contact you.
Is this video about larger motors? Nope. It’s about small electric outboards. Please stay on the subject.
Not yet......
the separate battery can help trim the boat too, especially if you are a bigger person, so although it weighs similar, its far more flexible in terms of boat setup. And i assume its pretty quiet too!
Next step is a remote speed n steering control....
Yeah!
Cool idea for tiny lakes or boaters who aren't traveling far.
But just like electric cars our current battery technology is holding it back. When we invent a battery that gets us the range of gasoline with the weight of gasoline, I'm a buyer.
At that point, who wouldn’t be?
@@therealguise5136Anti-E-people and those with ICEs that are working just fine to name a few.
u prob travel rlly far but for most a battery like this will be plenty for a day of fishing...i personally cant stand the sound of gas engines..but ur prob boating in the ocean unlike me...weight isnt holding most ppl back but $ is..lifepo have come way down thoe
@@therealguise5136 RRRRRRR PISTON GO VIBRATE MY ARSE
(I'm more active in motorcycle discussion, they literally treated gas engine like God given rights)
2 batteries hooked to solar would give you almost unlimited range
I like the seperate battery. Having the motor and battery separate also means less weight to lift all at once when transporting the motor and lifting it onto the boat.
It also means you can move the battery around in the boat for better trim and weight distribution, and keeps the weight low in the boat for better stability. i can see it being a good auxiliary for small sailboats.
The torqueedo and e propulsion batteries can be taken off the boat separately from the motor.
@@cwm032003 Exactly. They aren't supposed to be transported connected to the motors.
The Torqeedo battery is very light and an easy grab handle. Love mine. I don't see similar batteries for the Newport motor.
The Torqeedo battery is ideal for the small car owner like me that inflates their boat each use out of a small car.
Good points I hadn't thought of even after deciding on external batteries are the way to go.
most of the ones i have seen just use any AGM or car batt. it's not actually a rare thing. i've never seen the proprietary battery type in all honesty.
@@fuzzjunky Just so you know, Lithium batteries are making the AGM obsolete. Car battery? You're going to send it to an early grave when used this way.
To me, having a choice of battery is an absolute winner! Brilliant! This is the motor I would choose.
After my computer controlled outboard just failed, forcing me to take it to a shop to get fixed because I don't have the software to diagnose it, I'm sold on this.
For years I have a “trolling motor” with a 12 V Marine battery on a Grumman whitewater canoe with outriggers. This would last all day (12 hours +) trolling. You could move across the lake and even create a little wake. Terrific set-up. Used it mostly on lakes; and mountain lakes. However, also in rivers. So, this isn’t anything new, like you said, an upgrade to the past. I can one thing - it didn’t cost no $2,000 USD +. Crazy price. You can buy a gas 20 horse engine for $2,500 - or less.
I totally agree with you about the "trolling motor" $100-$200 for the motor and another $100 for a decent 12 volt battery and you're set for years. Paying $2500 just so you can say you have this motor or that motor is unbelievable. I pay for quality at a low cost and to hell with outrageous prices.
> 20 hp for 2500$
You're one of the luckier guy then, at least if you're talking brand new motor.
Some lakes don’t allow gas motors
Yes, we can for less than $2500.00! or a good used motor.
Definetly do a full review, but do it after a real world type of test. I want to see you drop your boat in, travel to your first fishing spot, fish for an hour or so running a shoreline, then travel to a new spot a half a mile away. Fish that area for an hour, using the motor to make boat adjustments for casting accuracy. Do that for for several hours, and end up a couple of miles from your launch point. Now let's see how the motor does on a long, straight run home, preferable into a nice breeze (that's what I always get). That would be a demo I'd want to see. That will tell me if this is the real deal.
I agree. I hope to see if this can be an “all morning” usable motor.
@@WayneTheBoatGuypart of the Torqeedo and proprietary battery is that they have a screen showing what your range is at each speed and I don’t know if that can be done with the open source batteries.
The other thing is having a place to put the batteries in the boat. I have used a trolling motor for years and there are downsides to having the battery loose in the boat versus having a compartment, or attaching it to the motor. If I had a locking compartment I would probably prefer this setup versus flipping the boat in a storm (done that), or having someone walk off with the battery ( not yet). A few years ago I got a propane motor which was a quarter of the price and super light, but I can’t recharge it while at anchor. It does go faster than the trolling motor though.
I’m happy to see these new electric motors because new batteries will be on the market in a few years with more power and less weight
Had a Minn Koda way back in the mid 80s-early90s on a “Ted Williams” 12 foot ‘f glass’ boat, did great on a 18 acre lake near home.
I was an early adopter and got it this spring. I also bought a 36v100ah lithium battery online for 1000 Cad $ According to my calculations I get 3 hours and 20 minutes on full throttle! At 50% throttle that's nearly 7 hours! At trolling speed I'm nearing 20 hours! Way longer than I'm willing to spend in my boat lol I also built a 8ah battery so I've got a backup to get back. Note these runtimes are longer than I would get with a gas motor in this hp without refueling. I do have a few issues with the motor: there is a delay increasing/decreasing speed of roughly 2 seconds, the throttle turns opposite the conventional direction, I can't get a spare prop for it yet, the standard shaft is also too long for my boat, I would get a short shaft if available. A concern I had was I wasn't sure how adjustable the throttle would be, I love that I can adjust it in 1% increments to dial in the perfect trolling speed! Trolling at 1.5 mph with downriggers I'm usually under 20% throttle (Depending on boat load, wind and trolling depth). Max speed I've had it as is 6.5 mph.
I have been using Haswing 1HP $300 + $400 Lifepo4 100 Ah for a year with great results. They make also 12V 3 HP - $700 , 5 HP - 24V $800. Very cost effective, quiet and light weight.
I love keeping battery and motor separate. I fish lots of water that is electric only, and getting around with a trolling motor is slow. But they’re just that. Trolling is a slow process. The cost of the unit is still prohibitive, especially for a glorified trolling motor. I would be more than happy to pay up say $800 for motor AND battery to get 3 hp and some speed for my 10ft dinghy. Elco has been doing this for years, so I don’t think this revolutionary idea is catching too terribly fast. I’ll keep my eye on the market, but until they get real with the prices, I’ll stick with the easily maintained minnkota and lead acid battery I already have.
Thanks for all the info, I'm just too cheap to spend almost 3 grand for a 3 hp when you can pick up a 3.5 Mercury new for about a 1100. Hopefully someday I'll come into the new way of thinking about battery's and electric motors.
It's not 3hp. All the eType Outboard companies greatly exaggerate (ePropulsion ratings aren't too far off). Since there's 750 watts in 1 horsepower, that means this 1300 watt motor (1.3KW) is 1.75hp. But still, that's a big step in the right direction and low end torque on electric motors is fantastic. 55/62 lb thrust trolling motors are around 0.6KW (0.8hp : 12v x 50a) and 82 lb thrust motors around 1KW (1.33hp : 24v x 40a).
1300w/38.2v is only 34 Amps (36V voltage is actually around 38.2v when fully charged). What this motor really needs is an actual **100 amps** instead of only 34. I think 36v is a sweet spot for small marine voltage since it can be done with only 3 inexpensive 12v deep cycle batteries. Wiring costs are the bane of low voltage systems. That's why cars are 12V and no longer 6V (monster cables were needed) and realistically, cars and boats should be 24v like trucks, big marine, aviation and the military. Amps and distance determine wire size. Running 15-20' of wire gets expensive at 50 amps (4 gauge required) but a doubled 4 gauge wire harness would actually handle 100 amps with ease (hint hint NV) and without the wires getting heated instead of it all going to the motor (proper gauge is very important).
Just imagine a 100 amp version of this motor. 5.1hp / 3.8KW / 3720 watts (100amos x 38.2v)! For comparison, the Navy 3.0 Evo is 3KW / 4hp (they claim 6hp) but costs $4,250. For far less than half the price a 100 amp NT version would be over 25% more powerful. And that would actually be over 5hp at the prop (and no water pump and shaft/gear friction losses eating into that number) so maybe the same speed as 6hp. That would be a very respectable amount to plane a light hull with 1 or 2 people with a flick of the wrist - the better torque of electric motors will get you to speed quicker and on plane if possible, but HP is needed for speed and 1.75hp isn't a whole lot for most people. A 3.8KW version would need a real prop to handle the crazy torque these electric motors make. But they could also use that as an opportunity to use a standard 12 spline Merc/Tohatsu/Nissan 4-6hp type 7.8" prop for the motor and let people have pitch and prop options. I really think they'd sell a ton of these if they were 3.8KW. Far far more than 1.3KW. It would only cost the manufacturer a little bit extra for them to beef up the frame, motor, controller, wiring and use a standardized alu propeller.
A few years back, I bought a '83 Gregor pontoon boat, with a 60 Evinrude, and a Minnkota trolling motorr on it.
Paid 2 grand for the whole shebang.
The boat is super basic...you sit in a beach chair to drive it. 😂
I had no prior experience with trolling motor, but since it came with the motor, win win.
I was super impressed with the trolling motor.
Hooked up a Diehard to it, and my wife and I headed out...slowly, but...who's in a hurry, right.
It runs for about nine hours, at half throttle, and 3 or 4 mph.
Just right for a lazy lake day.
Time for something like this to come on the market fella. Nice video too.
I have a old 16 foot deep V Starcraft with a new 30 hp Suzuki 4 stroke. $5500. At those speeds my Suzuki is virtually silent. I can get 15 mpg on plane. I use a 3 gallon gas tank and I can go fishing for a week.
Yes. Small electric motors for small boats is a no brainer. However, it is going to be all about better batteries. One of those on my jon boat, with a non proprietary battery and I am in. I can literally get 3x12v sla's in my center seat and the boat will be level.
Heck yes Wayne! I’m so stoked for you and have been waiting for this! Great video/ info buddy, I can’t wait to see how it works out for you. I’m on the fence and you may push me over the edge towards electric power ! Cheers!
It’s a neat thing to have in the arsenal!
We have hundreds of small sinkhole lakes in Florida less than a mile across. This would be ideal for people who live around them. Trolling motors usually do the job but sometimes you need a little more power.
I pitched my dinghy’s gas outboard for an ePropulsion last year. I will NEVER go back to a PITA gas outboard again. It works perfectly every time. It’s lightweight. It stores nicely on the aft deck of my big boat. I get more than enough run time for anything we want to do. It is a total game changer!
Wayne I'm for the Newport Vessel motors, I do have two 55tp trolling motors. I only use one at a time, my older one is just incase. I use two 100ah deep cycles batteries in parallel to give me 200 ah total. They get me around the lake all day, Newport Vessel has the right idea. But I love my Johnson 6hp, it pushes my 14 ft along . If Newport Vessel came out with a 6 to 10 hp. electric I would consider one. I have trust in N-Vessel technology. Great video Wayne.
One of the challenges with being competitive above 6 hp is all those old motors like yours that are still going strong and have been paid for many years ago!
Thankyou and it is a great idea. Best option so far I have seen and everyone should follow. Plus you can control how much range by adding more of the same batteries in parallel.
I have the nk180 on my kayak. I love it. Ill be buying the nk300 when i upgrade kayaks. Cant wait for the full review
This has me interested as a prospective first boat owner. A lot of the smaller lakes around me are electric motor only and I wouldn't want to take a small boat out on the larger lakes due to the larger boats and jet skis everywhere.
Exactly!! They have to get away from proprietary battery nonsense. Imagine having to go to the Chevy or Ford gas station every time you fill up. I've got my own shop and weekend wrench turner. But... electric isn't outside the realm of crazy anymore.
4 yrs ago i got a Torqeedo for our small keelboat sloop. we need more power and esp. range. It only had a 650 Whr battery, so now we can get a replacement and get 50% more range but very expensive compared to other batts on the market. Yes, this Newport would be perfect for us, particularly if we could put the battery anywhere the weight is less painful.
I like the idea of the separate battery, it works for me and yes! a previous post mentions equalizing the weight distribution by moving the batteries to an ideal location. Personally I would use wheel chair type12VDC sealed batteries, they're small, easy to carry and very powerful... Three of them to make the 36 VDC would be less than $300. so now you're way ahead of the game. Do I want one one of these outboards? You bet! I have a squareback canoe and other watercraft that could use this electric outboard!
Definitely interested in seeing a review. I've been on the fence about electrical motors for a while now, like many of us. Thanks for putting this out there.
More to come!
I had a Minnesota Kota 3hp electric trolling motor in the 90s. Worked great
Torqeedo is "ScheiBe", I had the one made for kayaks and fist the battery had water intrusion (this is a water proof battery) from light splashing and through a 3 party authorized service dealer tried to blame me. Then the motor it self had water intrusion, turns out there was "Paper" gasket I kid you not, that failed and they wanted $700 to replace the lower part of the unit. I always admired the German people's contribution the the world in terms of engineering , medicine, music, philosophy I did not know they had a BS component to their contribution. The Torqeedo 403 model failed after a couple of years while my American made Motorguide 20 years old is still working. Auf Wiedersehen and good ridence.
I have had reliability problems with my Torqeedo. Charger failed, plastic parts broke even treating it with extra care. This motor reviewed looks like a Torqeedo. Is it made under licence ?
I was leaning towards the ePropulsion, but the battery options of this one are a mind changer. I can move the battery to the front of the boat for better weight distribution.
We went with an ePropulsion Navy 6.0 EVO with Dakota lithium batteries so we had more flexibility as well!
That could be substantial with lead acid batteries, but the lifepo4 batteries are so light, it doesn't have very much impact moving it to the front or back.
The main problem with placing your battery a long way from the motor is that you're either going to have some significant volt drop due to the resistance of the cables, or you're going to have to use thicker cables.
Amazon has 1280 Wh 12v LiFePO4 Lithium batteries for under $300 (LiFePO4 is the "doesn't burn" kind of lithium). Three of those wired in series, just like you do with lead-acid batteries, gives an amazing 3840Wh. I don't have a boat, thinking about building an electric one, but I use batteries similar to those for back up power at my house.
These 12v lithium batteries are the same size as lead acid but incredibly light. It feel almost like the case is empty if your used to lugging lead batteries around. Sure, there is stuff to learn and specs to read, but it isn't rocket science. A couple years ago I paid almost 3X as much for the batteries I have now so I can't believe how much they have come down.
Thanks for info!
Batteries wired in series add voltage but not capacity. In your example you'd still only have 1280 Wh but at 36 volts.
@@kwwinfield You are confusing Wh with Ah. Wh are additive whether in parallel or series
I purchased a 23 LB 2 HP 52 CC four stroke. It's quiet, idles nice, runs for hours on a quart of gas, and it's air cooled. Model TK144FC with an aluminum prop. 299 on Go Max ind in Fort Lauderdale, no shipping added. I don't store gas in it.
I am exploring a radical upgrade of my leaking pvc aluminium bottomed dinghy, by cutting off the pvc tubes and replacing them with aluminium. One of the advantages is that the aluminium tubes will have hatches so I can permanently mount a bigger battery inside one of the tubes (with an mppt) on one side (or at the bow more likely), and optionally have a small 1 Kw petrol generator permanently mounted on the other to resolve the range anxiety, but the generator will be mostly used to top up the yacht batteries when it is hanging in the davits, with the additional advantage being noise dampening. Other advantage is that there is a battery in the dinghy to run an automatic bilge pump. The outboard leg can also fit inside one of the tubes for security. The separated battery also gives the opportunity to shop around for bargain batteries over time.
There will come a day in our lifetime when half of the cars on the road will be electric. Boats will be no different. We are just starting to see that. The limiting factors are size, weight, price and output of the batteries. Thank you for helping to dip a toe into the lake of this technology. Look forward to a complete review.
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HOW do you charge electric cars? With electricity from COAL POWERED GENERATORS.
@@jimmiecampbell4357 Depends where in the world you are.90% of all new cars sold here in Norway are fully electric now. And they are all charged on hydropower.
I would love to see more on how long the battery lasted at different speeds, how long to charge the battery, and how all the components hold up on the motor and wiring. I have a 17 foot Osage canoe with a flat back that this could be the perfect partner to this motor. Also would be interesting to see what could be done with more efficient props. Since they are plastic they could be made on a 3D printer and adjusted for efficiency of application.
Could try to 3D print a Sharrow prop.
3hp is around 2200 watts. cruising at full speed, you might get about 1/2 hour out of most of those batteries.
@@itoibo4208 That does not seem like a very long time. Possibly the watt-hours = amp-hours x volts equation could help us out a little. But just because that is the rating does not make the equation or the test infallible.
@@jimrowland6089 I am just saying that it would seem that would be about as good as you could get at full power. You can turn the throttle down.
@@itoibo4208 We have an E Propulsion Spirit 1.0 plus, same as mentioned in the video. It gets about 1 hour 5 minutes at full throttle, much more than that at lower throttle settings. One thing I like about the E Propulsion is that it has a carrying case for the battery which you can wear like a backpack so it is easy to transport, half the weight is on your back, the other half is the motor which you carry in your hands. I was considering upgrading to a larger Mercury Avator but 60 pounds all in one package is a lot! We will see how much the more powerful models weigh when they come out.
My thoughts are the following....
The biggest problem with the Newport motor is.....the battery does not look all that portable. I haven't checked the weight, but it looks like a standard group 27 battery to me. And the batteries for the Newport are still very expensive. If the motor had cost more, but the batteries a lot cheaper and made from various companies that would be a bigger advantage. Especially if they offered some as small as what Torqeedo offers for us tiny car owners.
I originally had a trolling motor, and upgraded to a Torqeedo 1003s for more power, speed and range as I was struggling in strong winds & currents.
The lead group 27 battery was heavy and a pain to carry. As my favorite boat is a Sea Eagle Paddleski 435ps which is a hybrid of a kayak, Zodiac style boat and sailboat that fits in the trunk of my sedan along with the motor, I don't have a lot of room on the boat to store a standard type battery and it was extra effort mounting one back when I had a trolling motor more than a decade ago. The Torqeedo is so convenient. The battery mounts right on the motor, and is light and easy to carry.
The Torqeedo 1003 was just $1999. The price went up by 1/3 because of ePropultion ripping them off as a knock off, and with any technology product a few minor upgrades can be made over time. Torqeedo was the original and way before anyone else had this kind of product. So Torqeedo made a few changes such as being perfectly quiet (which I don't care about) and now forces you to buy the more expensive battery (included) but owning the product is more expensive now. I preferred their old offerings/pricing.
Do you buy a car name you trust like say Toyota that is easy to find a dealler in your local area, easy to buy parts for, and easy to get servicing on, or do you buy a new product from someone else your not sure how much you can trust them? I feel Torqeedo is worth the extra money just on the fact they are much wider in circulation than any motor of this type.Over 10 years later, you can still buy replacement batteries. You can have the motors repaired, and there is a service center an hour from me.
Owning a motor like a car is more than just about the initial price or initial specifications of it. All things must be considered. A decade later, still love my Torqeedo.
Just $2000? You live in a very different world than me and my fishing buddies.
@@randystone4903 It costs that or more for the Newport motor or any electric motor with beyond trolling motor power once you add a decent lithium battery to it.
My boating costs are still reasonable because....I don't need to own a large gas guzzling vehicle to move nor boat slip. Fits in my sedan's trunk!
I installed a modified Maico MC 501 square barrel motor on my boat and you wouldn't believe the acceleration and clouds of blue Blendzall smoke it emits, pure performance. It is scary to start though.
great segment Wayne. i have a Newport NV-Series 55lb Thrust Saltwater Transom Mounted Trolling Electric Motor that i got for my canoes. the company is awesome. i recently purchased a 4 hp mercury, so not in the market for another motor right now. cant wait for you to do a review on the new motor. going to be interesting to see how long you can run it around the bay and tidewaters.
I am curious to see how far it will go as well!
@@WayneTheBoatGuy Looking forward to more videos on this motor & system (battery)!
So far, Newport is the only company that has the right idea. Most likely the only motor I would buy because of the flexibility of the battery system.
Some of the other products seems to work well for specific applications like a small dinghy that are used to go to shore.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy Yes, also known as the commuter skiff. They are normally used for short runs, and not for pleasure. The only one guy I saw used electric motor for a pleasure cruise was a gentleman that programmed a solar powered boat to tow him around Seattle harbour.
It’s the future….
Having a separate available battery I think is always better and in a little boat it’s just nice you can use it as ballast upfront, and if things go really south you can go come up with some batteries to make this work without a lot of forethought
Another great video. Definitely want to hear more about the Newport electric outboard.please cover the multiple battery options.
Appealing little motor . But it is the cost and upkeep of batteries that puts me in neutral along with service.
I have an ePropulsion. I can see the appeal of battery independance, however, I also like not having clunky batteries around my feet in my small tender.
Absolutely! Space is often a priority in a tender
Interesting product. Unfortunately, Newport is not sold in the country where I live (as far as I know). But one thing is certain: Once you switch to an electric outboard motor, it is very difficult to go back. I bought an Epropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus in 2021 - and I have never regretted that purchase. Boating became so much easier.
I have one of those now as well (and a video about it)
These would be great for a small sailboat (
The most important element is the battery. This offers flexibility in the power source and how the motor is used. Looks and sounds, through your presentation, like the best produce. The price of internal combustion outboards has become very expensive, even for a small size outboard. Very good and informative info.
Wayne, I think people will pay a little more for an electric motor even if it has a proprietary system due to the convenience and compactness of the product. When you're spending that kind of cash, most people will just pay the little extra rather than worry about wiring, carrying, and covering a 36 V battery or running 3 parallel 12s for example. I think Newport has a fantastic product, and it's a great idea that also adds affordability to the new direction of e-motors. Excellent video. Thank you for being clear and concise and to the point. Enjoy your videos and looking forward to your thoughts of this motor on the water.
You meant 3 Series 12 volt batteries ..... " oooh look at me I'm such a keener"😜
@@mrzoinky5999 Yes. Series !
Proprietary is garbage for any company. I want my own options. If I want 3 36v batteries hooked up I should be able to do that without having to buy their product that's way overpriced if you need replacement. And I would love to have the option to have alot of batteries hooked up if I wanted to. For instance a long fishing trip. No need to charge. A company needs to come along with better options to suit needs better. Proprietary is killing the market.
40 years ago I designed an electric trolling motor system for Float Tubes. It was a great design but unfortunately Batteries were Terrible back then and that was my weak spot.
In the future all electric outboards will use gasoline.
Interesting
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Sounds great. I was just pricing a 3hp Tahatsu today. $1500. Gas is tough to beat. I do like the quiet running of the electric motors but still out of my price range.
I currently have a 30-foot sailboat around 6,000 pounds. On the back I have two electric trolling motors one is 30 lb and one is 52 lb thrust. After much investigation the best horsepower to electric power conversion I believe in is 10 lb of thrust equals 1 gasoline horsepower. Each work off of 12 volts and I have them wired in in parallel. It means they draw a lot of amps at full power because each lb of thrust usually requires 1 amp at 12 volts. Honestly these motors are just trolling motors with a deeper propeller for faster speeds. Depending on the weight of your boat and the speed you want to go you have to have a deeper propeller with a deeper pitch if you want to go faster. Most trolling motors are made to go more slowly so have a very shallow pitch. If you want your regular trolling motor to move your boat like this and put a higher pitch propeller on it and get yourself a 30lb thrust motor and it should equal this 3 horsepower equivalent motor. 100-amp batteries are available on eBay as lithium phosphate for about $300. So for $300 and 30 lb trolling motor you can have an equivalent to this motor. You just need to put a steeper pitch propeller on it and if they don't make one you might have to make your own.
These 3 hp outboards are actually much more than trolling motors. I'll do a side-by-side with my Minn Kota sometime soon.
With batteries, it's not that much more $$ than a high end trolling motor: think Garmin Force, Minn-Kota Ultrex and the like. I'm with you on the big advantage being able to use off-the-shelf batteries. Their $1100 dollar battery is light weight, but the price is a killer...
price really isnt that high for lithium batteries though. dont get me wrong its still a big investment, but a mid range 12v lithium deep cycle is gonna run you 3-500 bucks and you need 3 to run this. not only are you paying for the weight savings, but the convenience of only having 1 battery to worry about charging, not 3 or more. on that high end troller you're gonna pay the 2k plus for the motor then spend that again on batteries more than likely, because you're not gonna spend that much on the motor and hook it up to crappy batteries.
@@joshpillstrom543 True. I’m running 2 lead/acid batteries on my 24v Force. Love to save the weight, but the $$$ stopped me.
You can make easily a 36v/100AH lithium battery for around 700$ and 60-65 lbs. Tons of youtube video on that subject.
Really not a fan of electric vehicles and electric outboards! Still have too many limitations!
It is certainly a different experience and I am excited by the opportunity I have to explore the pros and cons.
WOW ! An honest review. THANK YOU !
This is an amazing idea! We use a 60lb trolling motor as our main motor AND trolling motor on out little Jon boat. Works perfectly except, of course, its slow, ok, I´m not in a hurry. However, the batteries required for a day out is prohibitive, takes up space, adds weight! Last outing the battery failed and had to row over a mile, into the wind, well, at 60 years old, thats excessive cardio workout! So, if Newport would like to send me one to try out in Europe, I am happy to give it a try 🙂
Electric is whack.
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No no no stop where are you going to fit all the batteries?
I guess you you would put them in the same place you would have put your fuel tank. Am I missing something? It would even be more space saving.
@@philos212 your range of operation would be severely limited as compared to a gas engine, now if you are fishing on a small body of water that doesn't matter but at that point a kayak or canoe makes whole lot more sense and a heck of a lot cheaper. So yes you missed a couple things.
@@chrisp308 No I didn’t miss anything. The whole idea is this is a start and if they can somehow make higher hp engines it will really help bigger boats. So you don’t need to switch to kayaks. Technology is advancing, so the boat industry should get on with the times.
@@philos212 space saving sure but you are weighing your tin boat down with the batteries. A 6 gallon OMC gas tank weighs under 40 pounds and will let you run around for miles. It also gets lighter as the day goes by as you use gas. A battery can't come close to that with our current technology.
@@philos212 the engine isn't the problem, the source of power is, these electric motors would be perfect for a sailboat as an auxiliary motor or as a dingy motor to get to and from a sailboat, I'm not saying that they don't have a place I'm just saying that they are not practical in this application why is that difficult for you to understand? You clearly did miss a lot of things bud, y'all have a wonderful day and a better tomorrow 🍻
Wayne,
I liked your video and the explanations! I will keep watching your videos! For my 19 ft sailboat on the CT River however my vote still goes for my 2.5 hp Suzuki 4 stroke! The reason is WEIGHT of the components and "refueling" (electric or gas!). Your electric is fine for those who load the boat up on a trailer on land. But with a boat on a mooring or at a tippy 24 inch wide floating dock slip, trying to carry around a 40 pound battery or complicated charging system is not too practical. My Suzuki runs at med speed for 6 hours on 1 gallon of gas which weighs 6.3 pounds! That I can easily hoist from a small dinghy or a tippy dock!!. and carry on a few extra gallons if I want!
This outboard is 5 lbs less than a Suzuki 2.5! The big battery I am running is an additional 29 lbs. but there are lighter options. Because the motor and battery are completely separate it's not as hard to load as some other electrics.
Wayne, I missed your reply from 7 days ago, and thank you for the extra information! It is true my Suzuki 2.5 weighs 5 lbs more, but it is only hoisted on to the boat one time in June while in the yard, and removed in November, also in the yard. What matters is the gas (or battery) I have to carry and balance out on a tiny wiggly dock!! Other than that, the sound of the running engine is very "comforting" while underway, and the 4 stroke operates the same as my lawnmower and my home generator (4000W). Keep the videos coming...your approach to motors and boats is terrific in a "non commercial" way!
As always, a nice informative video. thank you!
Great video, I can see why they sent you the motor and battery....I'm a kayaker and my thoughts are all around the trolling motors, ,ie Torqueedo, Bixpy, Texas Power Paddle.. and of course MinnKota. There is just a lot of good things going on now for small boats right now. Whether they are kayaks or boats. It's a fun and interesting time. Subbed and liked. Thanks.
Yeah it's an exciting time for sure!
I use my Torqeedo Travel 1003 on a hybrid inflatable kayak/motorboat/sailboat. It's the only "kayak" I know of that can use such a motor. Sea Eagle Paddleski 435ps. Paddles comparable to other larger inflatable kayaks, but can accept up to a 3HP motor. I had a Minnkota trolling motor before, and it proved not powerful enough to safely get me back to the boat ramp at some locations in very windy conditions or in strong currents. My Torqeedo has gone directly against a rip tide, strong currents and the ocean surf. Rather expensive compared to a trolling motor, but for the kind of boating I do, you need a real motor in some places.
The Bixpy is basically the power of a trolling motor.
Thanks for the review Wayne.
What I think, when I was a younger person we had canoes. An idea came up to make an electric motor from a car windscreen wiper assembly which is geared. We atteched a fibreglass rod to the shaft and made a propeller out of some study aluminium sheet by putting a square end on it and fastening it with a pin. It actally worked. 35 years later we have trolling motors and these. It's not a bad thing for short runs but looking at the battery and the capacity of the motor at flat stick it wouldn't be much good past the hour mark. Now who only uses a boat for less than an hour, quite a lot of people do. And it might last two hours on a lower but still usable speed, not bad and as you said the battery is the flexable part of the thing which puts it a long way ahead of those others. We are going to be getting solid electroyle batterys, sodium ion batterys etc as lithium is going to be pushed aside due to its expense. So yeah it's OK I'd like one too but I'm not doing the TH-cam video thing so good luck to you sir it was a nice review so I'm giving you my feedback thankyou for some interesting content and intelligent analysis. Regards Brett Horwood from Sydney Australia
Cheers! Hopefully we will see better batteries and other improved tech coming down the pipe in the next few years!
@@WayneTheBoatGuy Hi Wayne yes although battery technology is far below the level of motors and such. It has always been so as you may realise hydrocarbons store per volume much more energy than batterys. And when a battery becomes the same at cheaper prices, also due to the fact you can use the sun to charge it, they will win. The other problem is.. You can carry a can of fuel to get you home more easily than many extra batterys.
This would be a fantastic option for my sailboat just to get me in & out of the harbor. I currently run a 24V system, but with a new battery box and another 12V I would have a huge 36V system that's already on a solar charger. I like the price. Sounds good.
ill stick to the 2 strokes or 4 strokes. What will these electric outboard run like in 15/ 20 years time and they aren't as fast.
Congratulations on the free outboard and this video blowing up for you!
I’ve already got two 100AH Relion Lithium batteries for a camping trailer I rarely use, so if I buy one more 100AH battery and tie them together as a 36V system, I’ve got enough power to go anywhere and have a way to get some use out of my existing batteries. Right now they’re sitting on the floor inside my house because it was 119 degrees here in Arizona today! Sounds like something for our rim lakes where it’s cooler.
Yessir. Id like a review video.. because in the next couple of months I'm debating on getting a trolling motor and now you're coming out with this video so I would like to see the differences and what your opinions on both are, thank you sir
So far I love my NT-300 and the fact is, I bought it for all the reasons you mentioned. I was seriously considering the Spirit 1.0 but couldn't justify the price. Bottom line: I fish a local reservoir here in central MD that is electric only. I run a 2011 Old Town Sportsman 154 and was burning up my 40lb Minn Kota trolling motor (not to mention depleting two 100ah AGM batteries). When I saw this motor online this past winter, I was intrigued not only at the price tag, but it really was the battery hook-up option that sold me. To be honest, I got lucky and got the motor for $1K (promotional price) and they upgraded me to the 50ah battery because the 30ah was sold out. I'm still trying to get hard numbers on range, but at 60-80% throttle, I can run pretty much all day (probably 15-30miles depending). The fact that I can have my batteries mid-ship is huge for weight distribution too. Lastly, their customer service has been top notch and I truly believe it will stay that way. They're not trying to push proprietary batteries and accessories, but yet (I believe) they are just trying to get an affordable electric outboard in the game and give people the option to build their own power source platform. No regrets from this happy customer!
You burned up 2 100 ah batteries? Lithium to boot? There's several issues I have with that. 1 40lb trolling motor isn't enough.
2 there's no way your burning up 100ah batteries unless your full blast 100% of the time. That 40lb trolling motor is inefficient for the weight. You need a bigger trolling motor. Remember trolling motors are designed for trolling not main mode of propulsion. If your running on speed 5 all day ur doing it wrong. Also newer trolling motors are more efficient.
@@pain_weaver I didn't "burn them up", I was overheating the motor (to your point) and was depleting them meaning they would slowly loose power over the day. Lithium goes full power until it just stops. All of that is why I bought the NT-300, was my comment not clear?
I think it is a perfect idea, and with the user being able to use whatever battery he wants they give the user far wider options!
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I want and need one of those ! Thanks for the exelent report.
I was in the boat/marine industry for 20 yrs...i delivered EVERYTHING imaginable relating to boating from walker bay "tupperware" boats to anchors 2,000lb barrels of chain etc...folding bicycles ald those electric motors were my most often returned items.the motors dont like the wet life and the bicycles dont like bumpy island roads or the wet life...i noticed ive been censored for speaking the truth.
I can imagine some of these things aren't good at being out to sea!
Great video Wayne. Hope all is well. ~TJ
Great video, it's a longshot but I emailed Newport to send me a motor and battery to review on my inflatable boat. I tex mariner 4, a great boat for anyone on a budget.
Comparing prices and battery WH ratings (most all manufacturers exaggerate WH ratings...some more than others) is a good preliminary bit of homework. But where true economy occurs is overall value per dollar--meaning there are other indices such as durability, reliability, longevity, availability of repair parts, and a few other measures that do matter when spending this sort of money for brand new technology. Good initial rundown, Wayne. I'll look forward to your review of this little beast. This would be a killer little drive system for 14' transom canoe.
Yeah I am excited to see how this goes!
You can connect the e-Propulsion spirit motor to an external battery instead of the built in one and they sell a cable to enable you to do that. A 48v battery is required and they sell a number of them from 2000W/h to 8300W/h. I have that motor with a couple of the built in batteries and the seem to last most of the day in my 14" displacement boat. I tend to use 1 battery for the outbound trip and change to the other for the journey back, to even out battery usage. My bum gets numb before I run out of battery power!
I'm currently running a minn kota riptide saltwater currently about $370 and a 100 amp hour lithium iron battery Chinese currently $279 i also have a flexible 200 solar panel & charge controller currently $100 on my windrider 17 pushes me along at 5 mph. Sails up I sail at 12+ mph cheers from Northern California.
We all know that buying the batteries is how most companies make their money on battery operated equipment. Newport did an good thing by not tethering their customers. The motor alone seems quite reasonably priced too! If I needed such a motor I would buy theirs in a heart beat.
Excellent video! Thanks!
Making trolling motors great again….I’ll stick to carburetor 2 strokes for primary power. Love the blue haze.
Please do a full review. Im currently fixing up an 8ft wooden boat. Ive been looking at these E-outboards to put one on the back. The seperate battery i think is the ticket to help me get it to trim nicely. I live along the Susquehanna river and there's about 10 lakes around me that are electric only but i dont think a trolling motor will push me fast enough to tackle the river.
Yeah I don't think a regular trolling motor would do enough for you in less-than-ideal conditions.
Hello, Wayne. I dislike being a " Debbie Downer", but those prices alone are enough to keep me from ever buying an electric motor of that type. I do currently own a 14' boat similar to yours, and have both electric trolling motor and a gasoline engine. I did purchase a new wet cell deep cycle battery this year for it. The number of times I use the electric motor per year doesn't warrant a $2500 cost. My battery was $100.00. I troll with it all day and the battery charges up easily over night. I did find this video and do like your great information. Well done. I was not aware of the newest technology out there. Thanks.
Excellent. Another load to help the Electric Vehicles bring down the grid all that much sooner! Exactly what we needed!
I think it's a great choice. The external battery is huge plus in my eyes. I'm unfamiliar with 36 volt lithium batteries. It would be good to explore the batteries that are compatible with the outboard. Great video!
Thanks!
just connect 3x12v batteries in series. and good to go
There are a lot of variables here BUT the more versatile someone can make a product, the better it'll go over and the better it will sell. We have electric mowers and gas mowers. The gas jobs are spares for the battery jobs. So far the battery jobs are WONDERFUL but it's in a residential setting, not commercial. Commercial is a whole other world. A luxury hotel had boats with trolling motors a long time ago and were getting rescued because the batteries were going dead. A gas job would last longer but were more complicated and would still go dead when the gas ran out. I guess what I'm getting it is that everybody has their own specs for something to operate in. Battery cars are the same way. Things will change and we'll see how it goes. Good for Newport. Maybe someone else will follow suit. Thanks and Blessings
I use my Minn Kota screw on trolling motor, about $200. A 1050 cca battery for $160 and I'm good to go. I have a 1775 Lund. These electric motor prices are high.
Wow this motor is ideal. 👍 great video!
Thanks for the video. How long will yours run for at full power on a full battery?
Love this video, please do a review. I really want to see how long this motor will run on this battery. How about a test running it on 3 sla batteries for a comparision.
When they make one for my Hobie Cat Pro Angler 14 180 Drive Kayak On Hooked Up Fishing. Then I'll be going with them. You did a great job