The Endless Possibilities of Spiral Music
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If you want to hear some beautiful and Ingenious examples of these endless Canons, i recommend listening to Brahms "13 Canons" Op. 113.
I remember encountering these in counterpoint lessons at some point. Thanks for pointing them out!
Classic exploiting the algorithm
Ahem... Don't you mean classical exploiting the algorithm~?
I love theoretically popular but practically niche ideas!
Remember Bach's mobius canon? You could do even more complicated topologies.
My favorite part was when Bach said "It's mobin' time," and then proceeded to mobe all over Mobius.
Re: what kind of shorts should I make?
Spending all your time making content that you think a machine would like is counterproductive to your sanity and you should just make the stuff you like. This game seems counter productive for everyone.
right? i also found it a little depressing :(
didn't he say "shorts youtube will show to people"?
I think that means he's just trying to develop an audience. Sure if he gets caught up in doing things to grow, that can end up being soulless for the sake of the algorithm but I think considering he's under 100k subs it's more just acknowledging that he wants to make content people want to watch, and values that/what it means for a creator of his size occasionally.
@@solteris4684 well lucky for him he can just go see what shorts TH-cam will show people.
They're truly awful.
And it seems to me that there's only going to be a very particular audience left by the time everyone is done finding their audience.
The intro to "Tie Your Mother Down" from Queen's "A Day At The Races" has a superb example of Shepherd tone progressions.
Another famous example is the infinite staircase music from Super Mario 64.
That spiral + music = barber shop quartet
OMG, this visual as a barbershop quartet is a great idea!
On a somewhat related note I really like Starfish by Sevish. About 2 minutes into that song it makes use of a Risset rhythm, and it’s overall just a really cool song.
Very interesting! I don't know how I'd never come across the concept of a Risset rhythm, given that I've been dancing around it for a long time. But I'm happy to know the name, and hear that song by Sevish!
I love that track too! It inspired me to try it myself. (If you're interested, it's in my track "Mountain High" - see my channel page...) Sevish is a very inventive and creative guy.
Dr Vinklestein Says by Shpongle does the same thing around 4:50-5:30
You solve the click in the audio by making sure your wave form is at the zero crossing line at the loop point, for anyone curious :)
or, due to restarting a video might not be able to be completely seamless in any case, quickly fading out the end and fading in the beginning can be a better solution.
Norman MacLaren and Grant Munro managed to "animate" a canon of themselves interacting with themselves. They deserve an award.
This might be the first video to lead me to a short, I love how you broke down the music and your process in an understandable way!
This is cool! I've recently been toying around with "spiraling" music in a different way, to maximize the feeling of "brightness" in a chord progression.
I was able to create the illusion of a chord progression that was rapidly getting brighter by having it quickly wrap around the circle of fifths (clockwise) and land on an inversion of the starting chord. Do this three times and your starting chord is now an octave higher, which is when I layered the progression with itself and fade it back in, exactly like how the shepards tone illusion works.
The combination of the shepards tone trick, cycling chord inversions, and clockwise movement around the circle of fifths really made an effective illusion, it was very hard to tell when it looped
If you want a single data point - me - I'm 59, I don't watch shorts, and I don't make shorts. I find them intensely irritating and unappealing. So... if the classical music demographic really does have a lot of people like me in it, then you might be on a hiding to nothing. :)
Add a pretty girl dancing to 100x your views. Ballet seems appropriate, with 50% transparency spiral score over top. Of course the dance should loop as well. Bonus for working in 4 dancers, one for each line.
I hate that this feels like it might work
I love this channel! I love this comment about loving this channel, which loves self-reference
I love replying to comments like this
This is actually a good idea for a short. I think you could get away with some looping of the reel but I think it needs to be less. This kind of media is good and catchy tho. There was some thing recently like “Mr Carter likes me, Mrs Carter liked me”
You need to ditch the sheet notation. You want more visual stimulation. This is part of why I say l less repeats you can definitely use this concept but you wanna add some more variation even just noise from your backyards or some nice place. Also if you make the lyrics more fun and the whole thing a bit peppier.
TLDR: You don’t need to take all these recommendations but it’s a good idea you just need to develop it more.
This is actually a really good point. I mean I like the sheet music personally, but it's definitely more niche. Perhaps an animation, like of several people walking down an infinite staircase, there's something interesting there.
Or maybe balls bouncing down a staircase!
🇨🇱Escher comes to mind 😀
Saludos de 🇨🇱
The old prog rock band Gentle Giant has a very similar spiral set up in their song "On Reflection". It's very neat.
I have tried to figure that song out by ear for so, so long. It's a wild bit.
Endless counterpoint. Beautiful.
The first thing that came to my mind when seeing this video on my feed was the "Endless Stairs" theme from Mario 64. Great analysis of an interesting video phenomenon!
Best spiral I know of is actually the final section of Van Der Graaf Generator's epic, "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers". That part of the work is called "We Go Now"...but instead of the "spiralling" happening in a melodic line, the ENTIRE SECTION spirals.
So, at the beginning of it (immediately after a terrifying wall of intensifying racket), you hear Peter Hammill's piano play the beginning of the harmonic sequence. Then it repeats the full sequence as Hammill begins to sing. Nothing weird yet...until you hit the end of the sequence and the tonal center shifts. And from there onwards, you're following these upward shifts each time.
What makes these even crazier is that towards the end, you have the harmony, Hammill's vocal line, the reed player David Jackson playing something of a countermelody, then Robert Fripp (who guested on this album, "Pawn Hearts") comes in with a very florid descant-type improvisation over that...and all the while, organist Hugh Banton keeps spinning out the revolving chord changes as a men's chorus comes in alongside it all. It doesn't really end, either; like Homer's "Iliad", it simply stops.
Not your normal rock fare...but then, not many bands in the early 1970s were dropping Messiaen quotes either! Or, for that matter, recording themselves playing the same section over and over times 16 to get a result that sounds like sheer pandemonium. Awesome stuff...VERY worth knowing as a point of musical reference amongst other works people thought were "pop" but which turned out to have far more to do with New Music.
Perfect segue into shepherd tones. I was thinking of them when they played. Good stuff.
Doom scroll for a while (but check your health insurance cover first and get your affairs in order). Then you'll know what shorts the algorithm prefers...
Excellent video Marc keep up the good work
4:04 was funny! But I think you forgot "No" as an option... 😀
Coda: Marine 475 has a bassline that follows the infinitely lowering pitch sound illusion.
I need that reaper script
//Overlay: Spiralize
//by Marc Evanstein with thanks to papagiraffe
//@param1:zoom 'zoom %' 100 1 400 100 0.1
//@param2:rot 'rotation (deg)' 0 0 90 0 0.1
//@param3:posx 'progress x' 0 -1 8 0 0.001
//@param4:posy 'offset y' 0 0 1 0 0.001
zoom /= 100;
rotation=rot/180*$pi;
input_info(0,sw,sh);
pw=project_w; ph=project_h;
posx*=-pw;
posy*=ph;
gfx_set(0.969, 0.969, 0.969, 1, 0);
gfx_fillrect(0,0,original_width,original_height);
gfx_blit(1,1);
function rotodraw(x, y, w, h, rot, zoom, source_x_offset)
(
backup_x = sh*zoom;
backup_y = sh*zoom;
backup_x_source = (backup_x * cos(rot) + backup_y * sin(rot)) / zoom;
backup_y_source = (-backup_x * sin(rot) + backup_y * cos(rot)) / zoom;
gfx_deltablit(0, x - backup_x, y - backup_y, w + backup_x, h + backup_y,
-backup_x_source + source_x_offset/zoom, sh/2 - backup_y_source,
cos(rot)/zoom, -sin(rot)/zoom, sin(rot)/zoom, cos(rot)/zoom,
0, 0, 0, 0, 0);
);
y = posy;
sx_offset = 0;
i = 0;
loop(9,
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loop(9,
i
@@marcevanstein Thank you so much
Those violas were beautiful
Camden is a wonderful violinist/violist!
i’m a violist and i forget how to read alto clef sometimes. got used to reading bass clef for a musical and it was all downhill from there.
neighter does you tube, they created an algorithm to try sort for content people want to watch through a test and positive feedback loop similar to evolutionary principles but accelerated, but that's not explicitly true because them imposing arbitrary limits on the display space creates a sort of narrow specialization window that creates a distorted compressed and low resolution version of content people actually want to see while starving the audience intentionally or unintentionally of the content that would actually satiate them.
in conclusion shorts are like cola, sweet, consumable available universally and, of dubious utility and content.
this technique has a lot of potential. for example you could make a sick falling melody that also gradually fades into another sound which would enable you to compose a wider range of notes without losing the sweetspot
I’ve seen barber poles that go upwards as well
"Row Row Row Your Boat" is the most famous example of canon... I do not think so... may be in your country.
For most of the world, I think the most famous example of canon it is "Frere jaque/Brother John". You can find it translated into all languages. Even into Russian.
Team Shepard tone rise up!!
Nice!
If you have an existing channel, your shorts channel will automatically be promoted less on youtube. Also, your shorts aren't flashy enough; make them faster paced by adding more cuts and some sort of mascot, then mix that with your spirals and instant success.
The "Whaaaat about spiral shorts" section in the vocal piece just sounds like a Gentle Giant track
The TH-cam shorts song sounds so much like Gentle Giant. Do you know them?
Clever stuff 🙂
I think the biggest problem with your execution is the visible beginning and end. Kind of ruins the illusion (visually)
This is a trenchant insight from what purports to be a simply bucket of puppies.
We apologize if we were too curt. Great video!
Spiral youtube shorts: Jaden Williams 30 Second Time Traveller.
Here before this pops off
Little Feuge moment
The shorts trick of all time, eh.!.!
bouncing balls in a circle. the possibilities are endless. great spiral video
Yeah, what is up with all those bouncing ball videos!??!?
@@marcevanstein i dont know. but i guess you can make something musical with that. they are hipnotic in a way.
swan's spiral lake
Very nice
Wow that's actually a good idea!
nice
It's interesting how you mentioned smooth looping. That has never happened to me on TH-cam shorts, but maybe it's my phone. It does happen on TikTok for me
Maxing out the feedback level on a delay/echo pedal, be like :
Clickbait cause the video doesn't loop
I'm 22, I go to classical music concerts and I don't watch shorts. Guess you have to be at least mentally old to listen to that kind of stuff.
Christopher Nolan would love this shit.
Audio illusion?
4:06 where is this graph sourced from? Why is the most common hair color by a massive margin (black) not on it? Is it supposed to be included within dark brown? That'd seem like an odd choice given the color on the graph and the fact that black hair often has no brown in it. Is it from a country or county with exclusively white people, that somehow also doesn't have white people with black hair? Does the grey category classify black as ver dark grey and include it maybe? I couldn't finish the video because I just kept getting stuck trying to figure out what's going on with this. And is this natural hair color only? Who makes a pie chart without some nonsense "other" category to cover themselves anyway? If someone's hair is different colors in different spots, or a tone very close to s mixture of two colors, does it round to the color with the lowest hexcode?
Did you not see the "source" at the bottom? It's just a joke about my experience at classical music concerts
@@marcevanstein I didn't see it. I was genuinely confused about the implications of the data set. Thanks for pointing it out bruv.
Woah
stormmaxxing
Mosaic Law
Here's a pretty modern version of this concept, without using the "round" form. It sounds like an infinitely descending scale.
th-cam.com/video/fahHSzmZoTs/w-d-xo.html
6:00 sadly they have not
I'm not convinced that the spiraling contributed to increasing the song's enjoyability
Obviously the way to be successful on TH-cam is by finding your very own small obscure niche and becoming the expert in that niche. Or was academia? I can’t remember.
Wowie (algorithm boost)
Shorts are the root of all evil
Content distribution companies looking for new and more manipulative ways to encourage people to make toxic content that doesn't benefit anyone but content distribution companies.
None of y'all have any good suggestions. This comment section is a bunch of A-holes trying to seem like musical geniuses. A musical genius would just answer the question, instead of just taking up space.
imagine if everyone who watched subscribed
Well, I’m spiraling over this uneven if your views aren’t.
Just use pop chords
Classic music meet fruity loops
the most impressive part of this is that you have a wife
How is that impressive? He isn’t a bass player! 😭
overlapped
10's of views 😂
First :P
Great video once again btw!
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