@@sb_dunk I used to think of 6/8 as a double resolution version of 3/4 but I guess it depends on what you do with the pulse/beat. Jumping back and forth between the two in the clip reveals that while the melody stays the same the difference lies in the percussive part.
@@l00kns33yup, cuz you are just accentuating a percussive aspect of the same meter. I feel 3/4 and 6/8 are the same l, Yet can arguably be pointed out as different . just like some say TomAto and some say TomaAAAto.
6/8 has more in common with 2/4 than with 3/4 due to having two primary beats - i think of 6/8, 9/8, and 12/8 as a triplified 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4 respectively
Yeah, it essentially is just 2/4 in shuffle (ie. each beat divides into 3 rather than 2) whereas 3/4 in shuffle should be 9/8 (underrated time sig. imo. It’s used in Clair de Lune and despite how “floaty” it sounds it follows the sig quite rigidly)
@@maxkonyiI literally had a band director who would keep the pulse consistent instead of the eighth notes when switching quickly back and forth between compound measures and 4/4 measure. Any time we played a 7/8 measure ha basically had us play it like a 3/4 measure but with a triplet on the last pulse. Me and some of my friends (who played handbells) tried to explain irregular time signatures, but he wouldn’t accept it.
@@snailcheeseyt sure, there are different kinds of dyslexia, too many to list here. But squiggly things on a page are squiggly, no matter if they are letters, Kanji or notation.
Duuuuude. I took IB Music. I have been in orchestra since I was 11. How on earth has no one been able to properly explain this until now? This single explanation puts multiple educational institutions to shame, on god
I write way too many songs in 6/8. I think a lot of people associate 6/8 with '50s music. But I actually like it in a more modern rock song context. It can give the song a nice driving energy. Also, it's a way to make your song sound a bit more interesting than standard 4/4 without being actively "weird." It's the second most common meter, so people are used to hearing it. The moment you start writing in 7/4 or something, you're asking people to notice the meter. I'm not opposed to that, but a lot of times I want to disguise the unusual features of my song and make them more accessible, not draw attention to them.
U can write songs in 7/4 without people (and even musicians) noticing it. Im telling by experience. pd: Sorry if my english is bad, not a native speaker here
@@letesuave9106 oh yeah i agree if you group 7/4 into a group of 4 and a group of 3, it flows SO naturally. sometimes i just wander off into 7/4 by accident, and sometimes i just listen ti a song and take a while to realise that it's in an odd time sig. I think 7/4 is like an even time sig for me now at this point
Its insane how i see no one talkin about the sick short jam you made as an example, i come back to this vid just to listen to them again. Im particularly fond of the 3/4 version...
@@pile_of_kyle lol well what you can do for now is go the companion page on muted, turn off counting and then just let it loop as long you like... hopefully I should have some time this month to work on an actual version of it
In my country during one of the holidays for children we sing a bunch of songs, one of the songs has both 3/4 and 6/8 in the same songs and it's a great way to explain it since basically every native of my country already knows the song by heart. Its called "Hoor wie klopt daar kinderen"
A truly recomend to listen to Argentian Folklore that is based on all the types of 6/8 approches. Like Zamba (very slow tempo) and Chacarera and Chamame (that are medium and fast tempos)
The companion page in combination with the video is brilliant theory and guitar has been a little hard to practice but these visualisers are HUGE value and for free good work guys life savers
he strikes again! I think I too easily give up on understanding meter when I try and wrap my mind around it, especially 3/4 vs 6/8. These visual tools are an excellent assistant to start understanding and internalizing these concepts practically. 👏👏👏 THANK YOU
3/4 and 6/8 are the exact same timing , as a drummer, this is how we look at timing. it's just fractions , it's not that complicated honestly. you can only add the same amount of 16th notes into those bars. they have the exact same timing. I almost always look at writing midi drums in a 16th note grid on the piano roll. it just makes the most sense to me from a drummer's viewpoint.
@@Maplefoxx-vl2ew Agreed. The distinction is in feel, not the quantity of divisions. Meter is an interesting topic and there are so many ways to conceptually divide things for various purposes.
Treat the meter the way you would treat speech. When you speak, each word has a syllable that carries the emphasis. We don't think about it too much until someone who is not a native speaker says a word with an alternative emphasis. It is all the same sounds but doesn't sound right.
The companion page is awesome. First minute in I jumped the cheat sheet and circle of fifths and knew I would love this. Thank you for this tool. Hope others appreciate what is sitting here.
thank you so much. this video has me making my first 6/8 song and im already loving its vibe. definitely immediately gave me enough of a boost of understanding to immediately feel confident enough to start a track, and im glad i did. considering donating to your friends awesome website you mentioned. thanks again
i saw this a few weeks ago, and it made sense to me. I've never tried writing anything in a time signature other than 4/4 since the other videos i watched were didnt really make sense to me, so when i saw this video, i told myself that i had to try it out, and i actually accomplished it, im so proud i was able to pull it off! if it wasn't for this video, i wouldn't have made the song. thank you, Max! 💜
As someone who doesn't really know how to play drums and just fumbles around trying to figure out how to make a song to just sit nicely on a grid, this helped me gain more understanding about the time signatures and how it changes the feel of the song. Before all this what I only used to know is that when it steps out of the bounds is of 4/4 time is that it's swung most probably Lol. You've helped another idiot become less of an idiot which is the main reason why we all do this, I think.
That polyrhythm with the kick drum focusing on 3/4 is something I've had playing in my mind and have been drumming with my hands when I'm bored for quite a long time. Through this video I've just now realized that it's actually a polyrhythm😅
I recently imported a Death song, Spirit Crusher, midi drum track into my DAW and had to go through and manually insert all of the time/tempo changes. I know Death is known for time signature changes, but I didn't realize how much 5/8 and 6/8 it used. This was a great video to find after just looking through that song. and thanks for the online tool. That's great.
I enjoyed the video. It was easy to understand and was fun. That app actually seemed to be more confusing though as at first i couldn’t hear the beat anymore with all the other music but after a bit its became apparent again. Thanks
SOOOO much music is based on a "tuplet" (AKA "waltz" figure) feel, it would take VOLUMES to cover it all! The groove illustrated here is simply great and you can do so much by simply adjusting the BPM to taste! It's music magic!
4:46 fun little thing you can do, turn off the 3/4 rhythm. The polyrhythm between 4/4 and 6/8 sounds very similar to part of the Christmas song Carol of the Bells. It’s not perfect but the first time I tried doing a polyrhythm with slapping my hands on stuff, I heard it and now I can’t unhear it
Wow! Thank you! I really needed this explained, i just kinda viewed 6/8 and 3/4 as the same thing so this will be greatly helpful And muted io seems incredible! Something I think i always needed and wanted
Man you are amazing in teaching by showing and feeling where most of us struggle to understand the jargon and even if we think we understand a musical concept we struggle to find the way to explain it to others !!! You are really an inspirattion
Wow, thank you so so much for the video and the companion page - there's amazing content and for free, can't believe it! I wrote a song and had some trouble writing down the B Part. I thought it was a fast 3/4, but whenever I sang it with band something felt off. Then a friend of mine played it in a duo context and he suggested 12/8 for the B Part and it finally felt right. I was really happy to learn this, so I didn't have to break the song down to 3/4 or 4/4, but could sing and play it how I feel it.
Max, you are a source of musical inspiration! It'd be amazing to hear/see you doing something like this with the book Harmonic Experience (W. A. Mathieau). You are fantastic, Max!
This came at an opportune moment as I was only experimenting with 6/8 the other day for a new track and this is a very useful explanation of the differences - watch out in future challenges to see if it worked for me, Best wishes Chris
Im really happy every time I find a new video where someone explain some music theory in a so so cool way. Thank you! It’s not easy at all what you did
Thanks. This was so well presented! I love the sequencer tool on web site. I don't play an instrument, but am interested in composition. The tool allowed me to sketch out harmonic ideas really quickly.
Awesome video Max! The visual presentation has been top notch here lately. I'm really excited to use that website for interactive music theory tools, thank you!
Yo Sevish! Nice to see you here. Your name comes up in my Discord pretty often. We did a microtonal production challenge a little while ago, which was a blast, and there was a lot of praise heading your way.
interesting how in the 6/8 example we naturally bob our heads back and forth on the 1 and 4. We could have chosen any movement, but that feels most natural to do, thats interesting to me.
very common in persian dancing music. "sheesh o hasht" or "6 and 8" in persian is sometimes said to describe a dancing song at parties. they almost always follow this rhythm.
So a lot of confused people here I will help clarify, time signature is a tool of many tools composers use there is also accents, rests, grouping, hemiolas, metric modulation, even titles like waltz where we know to assume a strong weak weak beat etc etc… so people would ask why not pick 6/8 or 3/4 if they are multiples of the other? The answer is that assigning time signature to a piece depends on the context and what the biggest idea is that the composer wants to clarify in the piece, sometimes they are chosen based on readability if I have a very compact quick bar of fast notes I wouldn’t want to write that in 3/4 maybe or I’d end up with like 128th notes and in 6/8 maybe it’s easier, also sometimes you choose it to show the structure of the piece kind of like verse chorus prechorus you can show relationships of sections in a piece by the time signature like Tigran Hamasyan in “entertain me” he writes 256/16 think of a trunk with branches and those have even smaller branches and so on, they are all connected but yet different sizes and scales and you now have a heirarchy, example: a piece has 9 bars in 3/4 and I play every bar strong-weak-weak that is a more “linear” writing style I might accidentally play it all the same like a stream of notes, but if the composer writes instead 12/4 I now see these are not just 9 bars but instead 3 groups of 3 bars in each group so maybe I treat each 3 bars like a “beat” this is called hyper measure and I might play the first 3 strong the second 3 weaker and the 3rd 3 bars the weakest for example and maybe I would make the way I play the melody sound like 3 distinct groups rather than 9 groups because I see the relationship of three 3 bar groups rather than just 9 straight bars. There are many main contexts but the right one is the one that is the most efficient for the composer and performer, I could just write every song that’s ever existed in 4/4 using accents to know where to play them but that would not look very good to the performer and hard to understand and pretty hard to see any relationships or clarify the melody, the composer will use the time signature for the biggest thing he wants to clarify whether that’s accents or structure or readability etc. that way he doesn’t have to write a bunch of accents or obscure the rhythm or obscure the structure or the melody because that way he can just adjust the few bars that the time signature does not agree with and write a few accents or slurs or time changes etc. it’s a tool and technically can use it however you want but it’s best to pick the most efficient template so you don’t have to write in every bar to clarify the other elements that the time signature didn’t cover hope that helps.
Agreed. You actually don't need to accent the 1 either. You can create a 6/8 feel (two head bobs per measure with a triplet feel) by using syncopated patterns which are two beats long and made of triplets. The listner will still bob their head on divisions 1 and 4 even if there are no accented notes there. Same goes for all time sigs.
the hint is that there isn't one :P you can notate 6/8 as 2/4 with triplet 8th notes. the main reason behind 6/8 is that it's easier to notate than 2/4 with triplets
Could be wrong here, or in some instances, but it seems 6/8 can be felt by counting 6 OR counting the 4 underneath, whereas 3/4 you can only really feel it as a 3 or 6 count.
6/8 isn't always divided into triplets, nor is 4/4 always felt and 4 beats; sometimes it's 2 down beats and 2 up beats. I think there's a range of bpms people normally feel comfortable tapping their foot to. If 4/4 is played too slow, one can't help but count every beat. If 6/8 is too slow, one can't help but count it more like 2 measures of 3/4. The real magic of 6/8 is that the 1 and 4 beats are normally slow enough that one MUST count them, but the 2, 3, 5, and 6 beats are normally too quick for most people to think of them as anything other than up beats. 6/8 also has more ability to swap between different rhythms, which some songs I like use to great effect. This ability is also what makes 5/8, 7/8 and other prime numerator time signatures so fun. A favorite song of mine is in 7/8 time, but each measure alternates between "ONE two three four FIVE six seven" and ONE two three FOUR five six seven".
@@maxkonyi man it's so good you need to make a good lofi/animal crossing theme with it. It's so soothing that I looped it cause it got me in the right headspace for studying 🥺
Adam! I learned a bunch of your arrangements many years ago - amazing work. Nice to see you here. I used an app called Rive to make this circle. It's cool stuff! You need a bit of experience with graphics programs, and some light "coding".
Be sure to explore the companion page on muted!
muted.io/6-8-time-signature/
I am utterly flabbergasted by just how awesome this looks and how it will help me and make practicing soo much easier. Thank you so much for that.
Wooooah. First time anyone has ever explained the difference in 3/4 and 6/8 to me. I’ve always kinda smooshed them together.
It's the same thing. I haven't watched this video yet. I'll delete this comment if I have my mind changed.
@@sb_dunk lol stay uneducated :D
@@sb_dunk I used to think of 6/8 as a double resolution version of 3/4 but I guess it depends on what you do with the pulse/beat. Jumping back and forth between the two in the clip reveals that while the melody stays the same the difference lies in the percussive part.
@@sb_dunkno it's not. A key signature is not a ratio
@@l00kns33yup, cuz you are just accentuating a percussive aspect of the same meter. I feel 3/4 and 6/8 are the same l, Yet can arguably be pointed out as different . just like some say TomAto and some say TomaAAAto.
Everything is a 4/4 if you're brave enough
Everything is 4/4 if you dont count like a nerd
@@mrrootytooty5797 i think changing tempo every single note is counting like a nerd rather than just setting fitting time measure.
😂😂😂😂
Oh yeah? *3 bar phrases of 3/4*
@@mchlkpng sounds like 4/4 tbh
6/8 has more in common with 2/4 than with 3/4 due to having two primary beats - i think of 6/8, 9/8, and 12/8 as a triplified 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4 respectively
Agreed! But that is not the point of confusion for most people.
This makes way more sense to me this way. It's just multiplying the quarters by 3- I feel stupid and enlightened
That just made a lot of things click
Yeah, it essentially is just 2/4 in shuffle (ie. each beat divides into 3 rather than 2) whereas 3/4 in shuffle should be 9/8 (underrated time sig. imo. It’s used in Clair de Lune and despite how “floaty” it sounds it follows the sig quite rigidly)
@@maxkonyiI literally had a band director who would keep the pulse consistent instead of the eighth notes when switching quickly back and forth between compound measures and 4/4 measure. Any time we played a 7/8 measure ha basically had us play it like a 3/4 measure but with a triplet on the last pulse. Me and some of my friends (who played handbells) tried to explain irregular time signatures, but he wouldn’t accept it.
Thank you, for us dyslexic musicians, those visual tools are really helpful.
Does dyslexia affect sheet music in any way? I’ve always been curious
@@snailcheeseyt sure, there are different kinds of dyslexia, too many to list here. But squiggly things on a page are squiggly, no matter if they are letters, Kanji or notation.
Duuuuude. I took IB Music. I have been in orchestra since I was 11. How on earth has no one been able to properly explain this until now? This single explanation puts multiple educational institutions to shame, on god
That animation with the tune was crazy satisfying. This whole video is a great and easy to understand example of rhythm. Very well done!
I write way too many songs in 6/8. I think a lot of people associate 6/8 with '50s music. But I actually like it in a more modern rock song context. It can give the song a nice driving energy. Also, it's a way to make your song sound a bit more interesting than standard 4/4 without being actively "weird." It's the second most common meter, so people are used to hearing it. The moment you start writing in 7/4 or something, you're asking people to notice the meter. I'm not opposed to that, but a lot of times I want to disguise the unusual features of my song and make them more accessible, not draw attention to them.
Agreed! Although, "...too many songs in 6/8." makes no sense to me 🌞
3/4 is the second most common key signature I think
U can write songs in 7/4 without people (and even musicians) noticing it. Im telling by experience.
pd: Sorry if my english is bad, not a native speaker here
@@letesuave9106 a musician should notice it. a non musician would feel it, not necessarily understand what it is.
@@letesuave9106 oh yeah i agree
if you group 7/4 into a group of 4 and a group of 3, it flows SO naturally. sometimes i just wander off into 7/4 by accident, and sometimes i just listen ti a song and take a while to realise that it's in an odd time sig. I think 7/4 is like an even time sig for me now at this point
Its insane how i see no one talkin about the sick short jam you made as an example, i come back to this vid just to listen to them again. Im particularly fond of the 3/4 version...
Glad you dig it! Quite a few people have asked about the music actually... I guess I'll need to make a full version sometime
@@maxkonyiPlease do, especially the 6/8 version which sounds so good
could you at least put those tiny snippets on SoundCloud? I need to listen to the 3/4 beat on repeat for a few hundred hours thanks
@@pile_of_kyle lol well what you can do for now is go the companion page on muted, turn off counting and then just let it loop as long you like... hopefully I should have some time this month to work on an actual version of it
@@maxkonyi pleaaaase
for some reason i find the use of the same song but changing its time signature throughout the video really cool :0
this muted io page is INSANE. I wish I found this earlier on my music learning, and your channel too
If you like 6/8 look into 12/8, very fun!😊
Slap a purdie shuffle on there and you got a stew goin
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In my country during one of the holidays for children we sing a bunch of songs, one of the songs has both 3/4 and 6/8 in the same songs and it's a great way to explain it since basically every native of my country already knows the song by heart. Its called "Hoor wie klopt daar kinderen"
A truly recomend to listen to Argentian Folklore that is based on all the types of 6/8 approches. Like Zamba (very slow tempo) and Chacarera and Chamame (that are medium and fast tempos)
Thanks! Will check
Nice. And the song would sound awesome changing the signature between 6/8 and 3/4...
Agreed!
The companion page in combination with the video is brilliant theory and guitar has been a little hard to practice but these visualisers are HUGE value and for free good work guys life savers
he strikes again! I think I too easily give up on understanding meter when I try and wrap my mind around it, especially 3/4 vs 6/8. These visual tools are an excellent assistant to start understanding and internalizing these concepts practically. 👏👏👏 THANK YOU
3/4 and 6/8 are the exact same timing , as a drummer, this is how we look at timing. it's just fractions , it's not that complicated honestly. you can only add the same amount of 16th notes into those bars. they have the exact same timing. I almost always look at writing midi drums in a 16th note grid on the piano roll. it just makes the most sense to me from a drummer's viewpoint.
@@Maplefoxx-vl2ew Agreed. The distinction is in feel, not the quantity of divisions. Meter is an interesting topic and there are so many ways to conceptually divide things for various purposes.
Treat the meter the way you would treat speech. When you speak, each word has a syllable that carries the emphasis. We don't think about it too much until someone who is not a native speaker says a word with an alternative emphasis. It is all the same sounds but doesn't sound right.
The companion page is awesome. First minute in I jumped the cheat sheet and circle of fifths and knew I would love this. Thank you for this tool. Hope others appreciate what is sitting here.
The demo song is so soothing and euphoric
1:09 i like the 4/4 version more because it kinda reminds me of the Mario kart wii soundtrack
And why do you like the mario kart wii soundtrack?? I also like it btw - I played a ridiculous amount of the wii version...
The 6/8 example reminds me of Kirby
It all sounds like the one outro to Stardust Crusaders to me
4/4 is so derpy, lol
thank you so much. this video has me making my first 6/8 song and im already loving its vibe. definitely immediately gave me enough of a boost of understanding to immediately feel confident enough to start a track, and im glad i did. considering donating to your friends awesome website you mentioned. thanks again
That's great to hear!
you just. explained 3/4 vs 6/8. yeah take my damn subscribe dude thank you
Damn, 1 minute in and Im subscribed. Brilliant presentation. To the point. No bs, no intro, no wasted time. Keep it up!
This is the best explanation I've ever seen... The circle tool was soooo good
i saw this a few weeks ago, and it made sense to me. I've never tried writing anything in a time signature other than 4/4 since the other videos i watched were didnt really make sense to me, so when i saw this video, i told myself that i had to try it out, and i actually accomplished it, im so proud i was able to pull it off! if it wasn't for this video, i wouldn't have made the song. thank you, Max! 💜
That's great! Nice work
🤯 I've always known I prefer 6/8 to 4/4 time, but never fully knew why. Thank you very very much for this!
Just donated to Seb's website fund via Ko-fi. Thanks for pointing out that website, he is doing some great work.
Nice one! Yes, he's doing great work indeed.
As someone who doesn't really know how to play drums and just fumbles around trying to figure out how to make a song to just sit nicely on a grid, this helped me gain more understanding about the time signatures and how it changes the feel of the song.
Before all this what I only used to know is that when it steps out of the bounds is of 4/4 time is that it's swung most probably Lol. You've helped another idiot become less of an idiot which is the main reason why we all do this, I think.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for the comment
The graphics and tools are amazing!
That polyrhythm with the kick drum focusing on 3/4 is something I've had playing in my mind and have been drumming with my hands when I'm bored for quite a long time. Through this video I've just now realized that it's actually a polyrhythm😅
Very informative.
Another “super like” for the crisp keyboard tone, the smooth-sailing melody line, and the mind-blowing bends and glides.
I recently imported a Death song, Spirit Crusher, midi drum track into my DAW and had to go through and manually insert all of the time/tempo changes. I know Death is known for time signature changes, but I didn't realize how much 5/8 and 6/8 it used. This was a great video to find after just looking through that song. and thanks for the online tool. That's great.
I enjoyed the video. It was easy to understand and was fun. That app actually seemed to be more confusing though as at first i couldn’t hear the beat anymore with all the other music but after a bit its became apparent again. Thanks
Honestly I feel like the 4/4 and 6/8 examples both sound really good, just better for different places.
Concise, clear, calm! A perfect video.
I want that tune in my spotify playlist !!
SOOOO much music is based on a "tuplet" (AKA "waltz" figure) feel, it would take VOLUMES to cover it all! The groove illustrated here is simply great and you can do so much by simply adjusting the BPM to taste! It's music magic!
4:46 fun little thing you can do, turn off the 3/4 rhythm. The polyrhythm between 4/4 and 6/8 sounds very similar to part of the Christmas song Carol of the Bells. It’s not perfect but the first time I tried doing a polyrhythm with slapping my hands on stuff, I heard it and now I can’t unhear it
This song is amazing! I just want to listen to it all day.
The visualizations and timbres are so dope
Wow! Thank you! I really needed this explained, i just kinda viewed 6/8 and 3/4 as the same thing so this will be greatly helpful
And muted io seems incredible! Something I think i always needed and wanted
Thank you for the time you put into this
I sure do love me some polyrhythms. I find this to be a great visual aid to understand this concept.
Man you are amazing in teaching by showing and feeling where most of us struggle to understand the jargon and even if we think we understand a musical concept we struggle to find the way to explain it to others !!!
You are really an inspirattion
Much appreciated 🙏 So glad it was helpful
My favorite is when a 6/8 song, jumps between 1 and 4 being the stressed beats and 1,3,5 being the stressed beats
Wow, thank you so so much for the video and the companion page - there's amazing content and for free, can't believe it!
I wrote a song and had some trouble writing down the B Part.
I thought it was a fast 3/4, but whenever I sang it with band something felt off.
Then a friend of mine played it in a duo context and he suggested 12/8 for the B Part and it finally felt right.
I was really happy to learn this, so I didn't have to break the song down to 3/4 or 4/4, but could sing and play it how I feel it.
I love the feel of swing 6/8, with dotted eighths and the accents on 2 and 5. The Most Wonderful Time of the Year is in this feel.
Me too!
Max, you are a source of musical inspiration! It'd be amazing to hear/see you doing something like this with the book Harmonic Experience (W. A. Mathieau). You are fantastic, Max!
Much appreciated! I'll consider that for the future... I did study with Mathieu for some time 🌞
This came at an opportune moment as I was only experimenting with 6/8 the other day for a new track and this is a very useful explanation of the differences - watch out in future challenges to see if it worked for me, Best wishes Chris
Great to hear Chris!
Im really happy every time I find a new video where someone explain some music theory in a so so cool way. Thank you! It’s not easy at all what you did
Came for the theory, stayed for the experiment (groovy tunes) 🎶🎹
BRO...The only real lesson on these Rhythms
Thanks. This was so well presented! I love the sequencer tool on web site. I don't play an instrument, but am interested in composition. The tool allowed me to sketch out harmonic ideas really quickly.
This guy is just too knowledgeable. I am really glad I found you ! Thank you for this informative video !
I've been with him for a while now. I'm levelling up in an amazing way. God bless him 🙏🙏👌👌👌❤
Awesome video Max! The visual presentation has been top notch here lately. I'm really excited to use that website for interactive music theory tools, thank you!
6/4 needs more love, massively underrated!
Yo Sevish! Nice to see you here. Your name comes up in my Discord pretty often. We did a microtonal production challenge a little while ago, which was a blast, and there was a lot of praise heading your way.
insta sub. Music representations have a huge potential for music education and you utilize it well
I'm over here just trying to eat my breakfast with Max's eyes staring directly into my soul.
lol he do dat 😂💛
So useful in such a short video.
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3:59 show this to someone without context and removed the words and ask them if it’s about chemistry,music or geometry
Thank you for this signature wheel.
Great video - getting me back into music theory in my attempt to be able to teach my little ones! Also great background, love the out of focus lights!
Nice! Exciting 🌞
instant sub - great topic, well made, easy to understand 👍🏻
Website looks amazing and great tools! Good job!!
interesting how in the 6/8 example we naturally bob our heads back and forth on the 1 and 4. We could have chosen any movement, but that feels most natural to do, thats interesting to me.
very common in persian dancing music. "sheesh o hasht" or "6 and 8" in persian is sometimes said to describe a dancing song at parties. they almost always follow this rhythm.
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So a lot of confused people here I will help clarify, time signature is a tool of many tools composers use there is also accents, rests, grouping, hemiolas, metric modulation, even titles like waltz where we know to assume a strong weak weak beat etc etc… so people would ask why not pick 6/8 or 3/4 if they are multiples of the other? The answer is that assigning time signature to a piece depends on the context and what the biggest idea is that the composer wants to clarify in the piece, sometimes they are chosen based on readability if I have a very compact quick bar of fast notes I wouldn’t want to write that in 3/4 maybe or I’d end up with like 128th notes and in 6/8 maybe it’s easier, also sometimes you choose it to show the structure of the piece kind of like verse chorus prechorus you can show relationships of sections in a piece by the time signature like Tigran Hamasyan in “entertain me” he writes 256/16 think of a trunk with branches and those have even smaller branches and so on, they are all connected but yet different sizes and scales and you now have a heirarchy, example: a piece has 9 bars in 3/4 and I play every bar strong-weak-weak that is a more “linear” writing style I might accidentally play it all the same like a stream of notes, but if the composer writes instead 12/4 I now see these are not just 9 bars but instead 3 groups of 3 bars in each group so maybe I treat each 3 bars like a “beat” this is called hyper measure and I might play the first 3 strong the second 3 weaker and the 3rd 3 bars the weakest for example and maybe I would make the way I play the melody sound like 3 distinct groups rather than 9 groups because I see the relationship of three 3 bar groups rather than just 9 straight bars. There are many main contexts but the right one is the one that is the most efficient for the composer and performer, I could just write every song that’s ever existed in 4/4 using accents to know where to play them but that would not look very good to the performer and hard to understand and pretty hard to see any relationships or clarify the melody, the composer will use the time signature for the biggest thing he wants to clarify whether that’s accents or structure or readability etc. that way he doesn’t have to write a bunch of accents or obscure the rhythm or obscure the structure or the melody because that way he can just adjust the few bars that the time signature does not agree with and write a few accents or slurs or time changes etc. it’s a tool and technically can use it however you want but it’s best to pick the most efficient template so you don’t have to write in every bar to clarify the other elements that the time signature didn’t cover hope that helps.
Very interesting website. It looks like you put a lot of hard work into it.
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Very cool tool. It can definitely help break writer’s block! 🤘🤠
It's so funny this comes up after I do a 6/8 jam with a drummer friend
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This muted io page is really good!
6/8 doesnt HAVE TO HAVE an accented 4th note. That's only a convention from waltz rythym. Try Indian 7/8. Only one beat per bar.
Agreed. You actually don't need to accent the 1 either. You can create a 6/8 feel (two head bobs per measure with a triplet feel) by using syncopated patterns which are two beats long and made of triplets. The listner will still bob their head on divisions 1 and 4 even if there are no accented notes there. Same goes for all time sigs.
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Of course not. 3/4 and 6/8 are mathematically identical. The distinction is how they are felt, mostly a result of tempo and pulse.
Of course not. 3/4 and 6/8 are mathematically identical. The distinction is how they are felt, mostly a result of tempo and pulse.
Of course not. 3/4 and 6/8 are mathematically identical. The distinction is how they are felt, mostly a result of tempo and pulse.
Cool. Probably the best illustration of time signatures I have seen. Thanks
Damn, this is a top notch video pal, thank you
The music of Son Jarocho from Veracruz, Mexico, an Afro-Mexican folk music makes frequent use of 6/8 over 4/4 polyrhythms.
It would be useful if the tool also included 2/4 to compare with 6/8. Since 6/8 is also played as two beats, I wanted to hear the difference with 2/4.
the hint is that there isn't one :P
you can notate 6/8 as 2/4 with triplet 8th notes.
the main reason behind 6/8 is that it's easier to notate than 2/4 with triplets
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Hey man! I Wonderful illustrations to time signatures. Thank you
I really love the dynamic of 7/8.
Sounds like the best of 3/4 and 4/4 together
Awesome explanation!
Could be wrong here, or in some instances, but it seems 6/8 can be felt by counting 6 OR counting the 4 underneath, whereas 3/4 you can only really feel it as a 3 or 6 count.
Yup. 4/4 is "duple meter", 6/8 is "compound duple meter", and 3/4 is "triple meter" which is fundamentally different, as you say.
the 3/4 feels so march-y
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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Great tool and video Max. Interesting stuff.
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You can explore the topic of this video through the main themes of the games "Max Payne 1" and "Max Payne 2".
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Jon Hopkins - Light Through The Veins has a weird signature at 128bpm.
Really well put together!
6/8 isn't always divided into triplets, nor is 4/4 always felt and 4 beats; sometimes it's 2 down beats and 2 up beats. I think there's a range of bpms people normally feel comfortable tapping their foot to. If 4/4 is played too slow, one can't help but count every beat. If 6/8 is too slow, one can't help but count it more like 2 measures of 3/4. The real magic of 6/8 is that the 1 and 4 beats are normally slow enough that one MUST count them, but the 2, 3, 5, and 6 beats are normally too quick for most people to think of them as anything other than up beats.
6/8 also has more ability to swap between different rhythms, which some songs I like use to great effect. This ability is also what makes 5/8, 7/8 and other prime numerator time signatures so fun. A favorite song of mine is in 7/8 time, but each measure alternates between "ONE two three four FIVE six seven" and ONE two three FOUR five six seven".
whats the song used in the video? it's really good I'd love to hear a full version.
I made it just for this video! It's just that little excerpt. I will have to extend it at some point since so many people seem to like it
Much of traditional Persian music is in 6/8 , check out the terms "pishdaramad" "chaharmezrab" "zarbi" "reng" these are all in 6/8
Will do! Thank you
in "Valse" i kept the same eight note basis and alternated between 6/8 and 3/4.
Where can I find the music between 0:00 and 0:28 PLEASE 😭😭 T'S SOOOO CATCHY
Glad you like it! I made these short excerpts just for this video though.
@@maxkonyi man it's so good you need to make a good lofi/animal crossing theme with it. It's so soothing that I looped it cause it got me in the right headspace for studying 🥺
What software did you use for this visualizer?
Adam! I learned a bunch of your arrangements many years ago - amazing work. Nice to see you here.
I used an app called Rive to make this circle. It's cool stuff! You need a bit of experience with graphics programs, and some light "coding".
@@maxkonyi I learned an African Hemiola rhthm and teach it in a similar way - great minds think alike 🙂
Love the 3/4 cadence