😭 | Buffy the Vampire Slayer | 2x17 "Passion" | The Normies Group Reaction

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  • @brendanoconnor1550
    @brendanoconnor1550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    “For a hundred years I offered an ugly death to everyone I met, and I did it with a song in my heart.”
    Angel from episode 1x7

    • @bramo1825
      @bramo1825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ...and a drawing by their bed...

  • @scarlettmi
    @scarlettmi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    Re: Willow covering class for Jenny. It was computer class. It’s not like every teacher could step in for that back then. I was a student who taught a unit in my computer class in high school while my teacher was busy.

    • @calvinallen3424
      @calvinallen3424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Did you get paid? If not you were taken advantage of

    • @scarlettmi
      @scarlettmi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@calvinallen3424 I got an A+ and a talking point when I was asked inane questions during interviews when looking for my first job.

    • @calvinallen3424
      @calvinallen3424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@scarlettmi so yeah they took advantage

    • @scarlettmi
      @scarlettmi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@calvinallen3424 LOL

    • @zemoxian
      @zemoxian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It’s nice they actually HAVE a computer teacher. In the 80’s my computer teacher was actually a math teacher in high school. I knew more about programming than he did.
      One time I wrote a program to draw a triangle inscribed inside a circle (in blocky TRS-80 graphics) and he called it “voodoo.” 🙄 I was just trying out a formula I had just learned in trig.

  • @npe9483
    @npe9483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    Angel can't come in her house anymore Chris. They banished him literally in this episode.

  • @WillsonT011
    @WillsonT011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    People forget that both Angel and Giles were meeting in secret talking about the prophecy in season 1. Yes we didn't see Angel go into Giles home but it was assumed🤨

  • @deanne4684
    @deanne4684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    The look on Giles' face at the top of the stairs still gets me after all these years.

  • @brendanoconnor1550
    @brendanoconnor1550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    “I’m happy Angel was able to save Jenny, she’s a great character.”
    Me, watching the reaction to The Dark Age, knowing what happens now 😈

  • @cynaracherrycaryccc
    @cynaracherrycaryccc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Angelus was essentially a vampire who loved playing with his food and was like the joker when it came to vampires. He wants Buffy to be crazy before he kills her. There more info of course about Angelus when Angel does spin off.

    • @kinagrill
      @kinagrill หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sadistic cuz there's no altruism, no remorse, selflessness nor any other redeeming features. He's the worst of the worst of a vampire, or so it is theorized. worst combo of soul and personality so removal of the soul means.... yeah, a true monster.

  • @Candid_Cocoa
    @Candid_Cocoa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    Also can we appreciate the theatricality of Angel timing that duet from La Bohème so that Giles will reach the climax of the song at just the right moment to really twist the knife.

    • @bernardsoul5186
      @bernardsoul5186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Lol. now that you mention it, it's one of those suspension of disbelief moment

    • @Talisguy
      @Talisguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      He must have left just before Giles turned up. If he left at all. Maybe he was watching the payoff from the shadows as Giles found Jenny's body.

    • @spaceshiplewis
      @spaceshiplewis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@Talisguy Oh he's definitely watching, he's the biggest drama theater fan. The reveal is the best part of tragedy.

    • @zemoxian
      @zemoxian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Turalcar
      @Turalcar ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "La Bohème" as in "The Gypsy". I didn't make the connection until now

  • @mgrimble3975
    @mgrimble3975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Angelus isn't interested in just killing people, he's a proper serial killer he's in it for the artistry.

  • @sherrysink3177
    @sherrysink3177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    That scene between Giles and Buffy when she has to yell at him for trying to get himself killed, going after Angel... 💔 Kills me every time.
    Angelus is a sadistic bastard. The way he toys with everyone's emotions, with such glee... *shudders He really is the most evil of all the vampires. (That's why the Master loved him so much, lol.)

  • @DarthCaedus7
    @DarthCaedus7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    It is still so much fun to see Boreanaz be evil.

  • @cirrustate8674
    @cirrustate8674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Into the life (lives) of every Buffy reactor comes Passion. The monologue, the charcoal drawings, the fish, the little ray of hope (we know how agile and fast vampires are, Angelus could've easily avoided that janitor's cart, as evidenced by the fact that he ended up beating Jenny up the stairs, so that only served to increase the suspense and provide that little ray of hope), to the fact that he WATCHED how Buffy and Willow reacted to the news... we truly see just how sadistic, cunning, and full on dramatic Angelus can be.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Something tells me that most of the people watching this episode for the first time, especially those who have been following the characters, weren’t grinning and joking the entire time, even if watching with friends. I hope that a few of the Normies present later took the time to watch it privately, so that they can actually appreciate the artistry of the episode.

  • @faureamour
    @faureamour 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I love how committed they are to Jenny not being fully dead. Guys, she dead dead.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, mentioning that he was sad about Miss Calendar (still smiling) was Pat’s one moment of actually showing an emotion aside from glib enjoyment.

  • @Cinephileofmany
    @Cinephileofmany ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I feel like the moment Giles discovers Jenny’s body should be considered a cinematically iconic moment in history.

  • @jeffmartin5504
    @jeffmartin5504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    It's as if you guys have not been paying attention. Angelus loves tormenting people, he tormented Drusilla. It's his trademark.

    • @DaddyTwoFoot
      @DaddyTwoFoot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Love Chris but he spends a lot of time arguing with the show lol

    • @bernardsoul5186
      @bernardsoul5186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The one that's not paying attention is you. Rana brought it up in the first five minutes of the discussion

    • @jeffmartin5504
      @jeffmartin5504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@bernardsoul5186 My my, someone got their underoos in a twist, poor thing. It makes sense that Rana would get it, she seems to take notes while watching, the rest still are debating how the dichotomous conflict works for Angel, the soul (angel) vs the demon (Angelus) and that the demon is always present despite the soul. It's pretty self-explanatory. Seriously, how many times does the show have to point it out before they get it?

    • @bernardsoul5186
      @bernardsoul5186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jeffmartin5504 Lol someone has their knickers in a knot indeed. I guess you don't like it when people point out what you missed. They're getting it just fine, especially for their first viewing. Go punch a pillow or something.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      To me, this reaction episode doesn’t scream “we are paying attention to this show we care about,” more like “this is a cult favorite, let’s get it over with (and make lots of jokes along the way, especially during the most poignantly tragic or uplifting scenes) because the fans want it and we need more money.”

  • @thyop89
    @thyop89 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Angelus's objective is never just to kill, he delights in completely dismantling his victims psychologically and emotionally. That's why he's such a great villain. He will always go for the wound over the kill.

  • @Dannydarko27
    @Dannydarko27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Yall remember Angel saved Jenny a while back ago, while Angelus didnt take too kindly to that😓

  • @minuette1752
    @minuette1752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "Passion... It lies in all of us. Sleeping, waiting, and though unwanted, unbidden. It will stir, open its jaws, and howl. It speaks to us, guides us... Passion rules us all. And we obey. What other choice do we have? Passion is the source of our finest moments; the joy of love, the clarity of hatred, and the ecstasy of grief. It hurts sometimes more than we can bear. If we could live without passion, maybe we'd know some kind of peace. But we would be hollow. Empty rooms, shuttered and dank... Without passion, we'd be truly dead."

  • @Razmedivh
    @Razmedivh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This is the turning point of the show - it's when it became a serious drama and it's among the top episodes in the show.

    • @Silver-rx1mh
      @Silver-rx1mh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you wanna tell these morons?

    • @Cinephileofmany
      @Cinephileofmany ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Easily one the best!

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most def.. though if judging based purely on the reactions, I would’ve thought that this was a comedy episode to rival Band Candy.

  • @MsKimifer
    @MsKimifer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    "Passion? That used to be an old tv show back in the day!" -Pat. Relevant. 😅

    • @The_Wandering_Hobbit
      @The_Wandering_Hobbit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I had to do a double take. Now I'm looking forward to Season 4 even more... 😆

    • @Thenormies
      @Thenormies  2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Mine and Bho's favorite daytime show follow by the Maury show lol- Pat

    • @DanielGonzalez-vo5ni
      @DanielGonzalez-vo5ni 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Passion was batshit crazy it was peak soap opera bs I'd even give it telenovela status because they go really hard in those too

  • @watchdog8360
    @watchdog8360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Out of all the characters in their reactions I'm surprised Ms. Calenders death is hitting mickey this hard 🥺

  • @Mokkari77
    @Mokkari77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I think them knowing Angel has a spinoff is good because now they're wondering how he could be redeemed after this.

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Unfortunately, they're unable to tell the difference between Angelus & Angel. Other reactors say that they assumed the spinoff to be a prequel.

  • @Crinbo
    @Crinbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Old computers can definitely cause an electrical fire

  • @darkguardian50
    @darkguardian50 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Chris doesn't seem to get it. Angel doesn't want to kill Buffy. He wants to make her suffer. Given enough enough time his end game would likely be to kill everyone Buffy knows and loves and only then would he finally kill her (and probably turn her). Its kinda like the Gypsy curse. Yes its stupid as hell if you think about it from a results standpoint. But the whole point of the curse was vengeance. In one of the commentaries Joss said himself that the curse is incredibly stupid. but that was the point.
    You know shit is bad when even Pat can't make excuses for Angelus's behavior anymore.

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "But he's funny."

    • @FEARNoMore
      @FEARNoMore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sadist

  • @tdog790
    @tdog790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I dont think they grasp the concept that Angelous/toxic angel is Angel but with a demon possessing him.

    • @Silver-rx1mh
      @Silver-rx1mh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They grasp nothing!

    • @Crinbo
      @Crinbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In their defense, the concept of souled vs soulless Angel is pretty vague.
      Minor AtS Spoilers
      ===============
      Sometimes they imply that Angel and Angelus are the same person. Angel certainly seems to think so, or why would he feel guilty for stuff another entity did? The episode of AtS “Eternity” seems to support that idea, along with one of the major themes of AtS being that Angelus is a metaphor for alcoholism.
      Of course later in AtS they basically confirm that Angelus is a different creature but eh. That’s why it’s confusing lol

    • @spikesecho724
      @spikesecho724 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But Angel (with soul) also has a demon possessing him. Angel IS A DEMON, but with a soul

    • @11ammas
      @11ammas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It’s more like the soul is possessing the demonic body than the other way around really

    • @notyouraveragebear9326
      @notyouraveragebear9326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Either way, Angel is a vampire with a soul. Doomed to know what he’s done as a demon for years and has to make up for it for the rest of his existence. Not his fault at all. It’s a very tragic character

  • @TheKannibalistic
    @TheKannibalistic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Micky was inhaling straight Copium, i felt that

    • @Faction.Paradox
      @Faction.Paradox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Buffy Season 7 episode 21 Mickey: "She's definitely coming back"

    • @Candid_Cocoa
      @Candid_Cocoa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Faction.Paradox *show hard-cuts to her corpse literally rotting in a coffin* "I'm just saying, any day now she'll be back."

    • @lonetardigrade
      @lonetardigrade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Faction.Paradox Season 6 Episode 19:
      "She will come back"

    • @jakelover1731
      @jakelover1731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lonetardigrade "Your floppy disk..."

  • @AceofDymonds
    @AceofDymonds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Peak Toxic Angel episode - damn. Whenever we get to the *big* episodes like this, I'm worried they won't hold up, but other than the combustible desktop (and some moments in the chase through the school), this one was still rock solid. Banger of a reaction!
    I get the critique about Angelus not just killing Buffy feeling a bit contrived at some point, but for me, I think they did a good enough job of setting up that when it comes to sadism vs pragmatism, he's gonna stick with the sadistic route as long as he can.
    I respect Mickey's Grade-A denial about Jenny -- but yeah, resurrecting someone who's buried in a grave sounds like it wouldn't necessarily be the best move. 👀
    The Magic Shop appears!

  • @pauldourlet
    @pauldourlet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Spike has a very healthy respect for Buffy. Having fought her multiple times.

  • @sickleweed3270
    @sickleweed3270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I don't even remember Jenny Calendar being that well-loved during the show's original run so it's fascinating to me she's become this MVP now. 😂 I cannot wait to see how perceptions have changed about Captain Cardboard.

    • @okiguess8103
      @okiguess8103 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What are you talking about? The internet was new in those days but it existed. People went nuts.

    • @meowoffury
      @meowoffury ปีที่แล้ว

      i love captain cardboard

  • @rachelespiritu4215
    @rachelespiritu4215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Re: Angel's parking spot joke to Spike... Keep in mind that Angel doesn't have a car, and he had to transport Jenny's body from the school to Giles' apartment somehow. He probably DID borrow Spike's car and park right up front.

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or Cordys 🙂

    • @Xhalph
      @Xhalph 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Henrik_Holst Well, Cordy's grandma's.

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Xhalph touché!

    • @FEARNoMore
      @FEARNoMore 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's a vampire, he can take anyone's car. lol

  • @davidgorman994
    @davidgorman994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Yeah, one of the points of Drusilla's character is to show you what Angelus wants to do to Buffy. Torture her mentally.

  • @ReXtion88
    @ReXtion88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    A shame Suraj couldn't be here for this one but I get it, there's shit to get done. This episode is fucking incredible, it's the thing that really cements Angelus as the BBEG of the season and really shows you why he was described as being a true monster back in the day. David Boreanaz is good as both good and bad angel but early on at least Angelus is a better, more interesting character. The thing about Angel is that he is a truly sadistic, murderous bastard as well as being a vampire

    • @koreygeren2677
      @koreygeren2677 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Suraj was just absent because he didn't wanna cry on camera. Poor emotional Suraj.

    • @ReXtion88
      @ReXtion88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@koreygeren2677 I mean, valid

    • @allisoncarroll1284
      @allisoncarroll1284 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if he would consider recording his reaction for this one, if he hasn't already seen it.

    • @koreygeren2677
      @koreygeren2677 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@allisoncarroll1284 I bet he's already seen it.

  • @Teaspooncat
    @Teaspooncat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This episode made me sob HARD even when I started re-watching the show recently. The 1st time I almost stopped the show here cause Jenny was by far my favourite character😭😭😭 Took me a while to get over it.. Luckily a certain character arrived later and became my new no.1

  • @yakiddin
    @yakiddin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Angel and angelus are different people sharing one body. Angelus, the soulless demon and angel, a demon with a soul. Also, the difference between spike and angel (both season 2 villains) is spike likes to fight and get stuck in, no messing around but angelus wants to play games and f**k with his enemy, just as he did to Drusilla before he turned her.

  • @jesseclark3697
    @jesseclark3697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I like how Giles started the episode telling Buffy that she can't react emotionally and be a slave to her passions, and by the end of the episode he burned down a building on a suicide mission.
    Also a vampire giving a puppy the name "Sunshine" is hilarious.

  • @Brillobreaks
    @Brillobreaks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I got curious, and looked it up. Canon is that Joyce was born in 1958. So she's like, 39, or 40 in the show at the moment. The actress is a few years older than that.

  • @marysmith-ku2sn
    @marysmith-ku2sn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Re chris about angel: Angelus is psychotic, he doesnt get off on the kill as much as the torment and grief that it causes. He doesnt want to simply kill buffy, he wants to torment her & drive her absolutely insane by slowly torturing, killing, and removing everyone close to her while toying with her. It's a game.

  • @romeocastillo316
    @romeocastillo316 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Guys I found your channel since game of thrones so sometimes I'm confused when you don't get something but think is because you miss important dialogue and plot points. And that doesn't happen often when you watch other shows. But I'm glad you still enjoying it tho. This is when thing get more serious.

  • @Grenn1471
    @Grenn1471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is just the beginning of Alyson Hannigan's non-Hollywood real-crying. Very sad to watch because she's so good at it.

  • @mlkj13
    @mlkj13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One of my favorite episodes of season 2. This was a defining moment of the show.

  • @celticson
    @celticson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The music in those last scenes still gets me every time.

  • @leonardowijayanto8769
    @leonardowijayanto8769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    R.I.P Jennifer Calendar - she was a good one. I remember my jaw dropping to the floor when Angelus snapped her neck 180. This episode 🔥🔥

  • @energymaven7537
    @energymaven7537 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    7:57 "One-sided-conversation-havin'-ass, I understand you're mad but you coulda left that in a note." I died... many years agooo 🤣🤣🤣

  • @x_VALTIEL_x
    @x_VALTIEL_x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Didn't know this was a comedy episode...

    • @notyouraveragebear9326
      @notyouraveragebear9326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That’s how they treat every episode. Literally deep and emotional moments are funny to them because they love to see who can make the best jokes instead of investing in the storytelling and acting. Lol they’re like those annoying randos at the movies who makes loud one liners during intense moments. Specifically horror movies.
      I enjoy a few of their reactions but as much as I LOVE Buffy, this season might be all they get out of me in terms of their reactions. There are so many other amazing reactors who don’t treat the show like their own personal stand up comedy special while forgetting obvious plots and character developments.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Seriously. At least two of these people need to shut the fuck up at least 50% more of the time, both of them guys.

  • @KyleJRM
    @KyleJRM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Rana yelling "daddy" when Giles marched into the factory with murder on his face was all of us

  • @sagaofsarahrose
    @sagaofsarahrose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This for me was the all-in point for BUFFY. Funny, dramatic, action, and so incredibly done.
    The weirdest thing for me was that Robia LaMorte (Jenny Calendar) converted to Christianity and condemned her own New Age practices after her time on Buffy.

  • @Andy-roid
    @Andy-roid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If by "she caused this issue in the first place" you mean Angel turning, that's definitely not Ms. Calendar's fault. She's only at fault for lying, and trying to separate Buffy and Angel, which actually would have saved them from this situation.

  • @kaybaumann4989
    @kaybaumann4989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The song playing in the Bronze is “Never an Easy Way” by Morcheeba, the show always had an awesome soundtrack.
    That’s still my favorite episode, Angelus is such good villain. Plus it’s hilarious that he’s such a petty asshole, cucking Spike and the constant wheelchair jokes.
    Seeing Giles go to town is so satisfying, still my favorite episode.
    Love the message edits, great meme choices.

  • @mikalynboatman6291
    @mikalynboatman6291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The scene when Giles finds Jenny is so sad 😢😢😢 possibly the saddest of the season aside from another scene later in the series…

  • @valeriem.8112
    @valeriem.8112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Joss wheadon said that angelus snapping jenny’s neck is a sign of disrespect : like , i won’t even bother biting you …

  • @MyFeuerFrey
    @MyFeuerFrey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Angelus takes time with his kills. It's an art for him. We already know that when he went after Drusilla he killed everyone she ever knew and drove her insane before even going after her herself. He's an artist of sorts. And people that draw his attention are an art project for him. It's what separates him from usual vampires who just kill to feed. It's not his vampire power that's terrifying it's the very human very serial killer-ish traits he has in his personality.

  • @TReynard11
    @TReynard11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Surprise, Innocence and this episode is what turned the show from good to great.

  • @bensneb360
    @bensneb360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fun fact: Angelus was originally supposed to kill Oz in this episode instead of Jenny, and Jenny would’ve died with her uncle a few episodes ago, but the cast and crew liked Seth Green so much they decide let him live and pushed Jenny back to this episode, which I think worked out for the best. This episode definitely is another ratcheting up of the shows quality and level of storytelling.

    • @bobapjok4241
      @bobapjok4241 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea, Oz is such a great character

  • @Stella-ARG
    @Stella-ARG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The way Micky is in denial. Same bro. 😭

  • @jayseepea
    @jayseepea 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There's always gotta be someone who's like "I knew it!" during a tense scene

  • @odinthorson1830
    @odinthorson1830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    A little joking is fun but it was nonstop during this very dramatic episode. Especially with the sophomoric photo inserts instead of showing Angel's drawings. The tension was building all during this episode but you all missed it.

  • @hollabigT
    @hollabigT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The next three episodes slow this momentum down a little, but they are fun! This all wraps up in the final two episodes...excited for y'all to get closer to one of my favorite seasons: Number 3!!!

    • @Cody92
      @Cody92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I disagree. 18 is alot of fun. Very creepy. 19 is one of my favorite episodes of the series. 20, Yeah okay lol

    • @hollabigT
      @hollabigT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cody92 Sure, but in terms of the story, the next three slow down their final interaction leading up to the finale 2-parter

  • @patilopez8494
    @patilopez8494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Kind of annoying how they were talking and laughing over the saddest parts. I’ve been waiting soo long for them to react to this episode that I found it disappointing.

  • @samiswithering
    @samiswithering 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I love how emotional this episode was and how the scooby squad came together. fave reaction moments

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "But he's funny".

    • @TheRulesLawyerRPG
      @TheRulesLawyerRPG 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah some people want them to react THEY react, but you kind of... can't do that? Lol. I was worried about Pat during Innocence, but the bottom line is that this episode convinced them all that Angelus can't be redeemed. Whatever "redemption" of him (a.k.a. becoming good again) there was is gone now. They like Jenny Calendar. Micky was in denial. They all get that Angel is someone who needs to go DOWN. They cheered Giles kicking his ass. The show did its job.

  • @thedernboy
    @thedernboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    willow was recruited by some government agent and smart asf she's beyond qualified to teach that class lmao

    • @goldenageofdinosaurs7192
      @goldenageofdinosaurs7192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Plus, it was just supposed to be for the 1st 10-15 minutes of class.

    • @thedernboy
      @thedernboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 exactly lol she def could have handled that

  • @Dannydarko27
    @Dannydarko27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Angel walked so Edward Cullen could run.
    All the women and girls I knew were like "I wish a vampire watched me sleep"
    ☠☠☠

    • @Melanie-jy2nw
      @Melanie-jy2nw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And then came the Stefan Salvatore’s and bill comptons lol

    • @hugoumero9723
      @hugoumero9723 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Melanie-jy2nw and then it came lestat and even afonso azevedo

  • @Candid_Cocoa
    @Candid_Cocoa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I believe Joyce is 40-41 at this point in the show. She was born in '58 according to the wiki so she had Buffy pretty young.

    • @DaveBlewer
      @DaveBlewer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Born in '55 according to IMDb.
      SMG was born in '77

    • @spikesecho724
      @spikesecho724 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DaveBlewer Those are the dates for that actors, BuffyWiki tells you the characters dates like the person said

    • @DaveBlewer
      @DaveBlewer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@spikesecho724 ah right fair play.

    • @JHowesitgoing123
      @JHowesitgoing123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Early 20s isn't that young to have a child.

  • @blacktronlego
    @blacktronlego 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:55 That is why suddenly killing off major characters with no foreshadowing called 'Jossing'.

  • @Bodanki
    @Bodanki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kristine Sutherland, who plays Joyce, was 42 when this was filmed.

  • @SparkyAllMighty
    @SparkyAllMighty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I feel like the constant jokes totally killed the vibe of the episode which is a shame. I know it's just something that happens when you watch things as a group so I can't blame you for it, but damn I was sorely disappointed by the reaction overall. Always difficult to maintain immersion in a group.

    • @Silver-rx1mh
      @Silver-rx1mh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      To be frank it was awful, wasn't it? In fact the worst I've ever seen.

    • @ThiagoDragon
      @ThiagoDragon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah. Their best reactions are the funny episodes (like the previous one) and some monster of the week fillers.
      I don't think they take the show serious at all because of the "90's" vibe all over It, because it's an old show.
      I still like their reactions, but I wonder If they Will be like that for certain very dramatic episodes to come... Like The Body.
      And yes, the big group thing kinda ruins It, it would be better less people.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you! Only a few people other than me have pointed this out, and most of them got steamrolled by hardcore Normies fans.

  • @irishinnish1
    @irishinnish1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's a DVD extra about this episode where Joss Whedon is asked about the death of Jenny, He said that he had Angel break her neck for two reasons: 1) so that there would be no question about whether or not she was ACTUALLY dead, and 2) it was a warning to other cast members that ANYONE was expendable lol

  • @Faction.Paradox
    @Faction.Paradox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Perfect episode for a full couch. A full house for full force trauma

    • @visarr
      @visarr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Too bad Suraj was missing.

  • @thedernboy
    @thedernboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    so pat does have a line for villain's...puppy killings lol

    • @Xhalph
      @Xhalph 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I choose to believe that Sunshine made it out alive.

  • @fizzychizzy
    @fizzychizzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have had a CPU catch fire before. Honestly, it over heated and caused smoke which melted something which sparked an electrical fire. That being said, it took much longer than that computer did on the show.

  • @shaynestewart9297
    @shaynestewart9297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This episode really turns things. We see Angelus for what he is really about. RIP Ms. calendar.

  • @1986bab
    @1986bab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And now ya'll should watch Moonlight. XD Its a 1 season tv show about a vampire private detective.

  • @zemoxian
    @zemoxian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Guy has a oars and a boat and rowing all the way down denial. 😂

  • @greigclement9081
    @greigclement9081 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Principal: "Hello, I want to request a substitute tutor"
    Office: "sure, what school ?
    Principal: "Sunnydale"
    Office: *hangs up*
    Principal: "okay, brainy-nerdy kid, you're up..."

  • @Ubani11
    @Ubani11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I don’t get why people are blaming Jenny for Angel loosing his soul

    • @bobapjok4241
      @bobapjok4241 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right, the most you can say is that maybe she couldve been more forthright about who she was and about how the curse actually works. If she had never shown up, he still wouldve lost his soul by buffy.

    • @TheRulesLawyerRPG
      @TheRulesLawyerRPG 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah it doesn't make sense, but I think people respond also to Jenny's guilt that she somehow caused it. Or was tormenting herself with the thought: "If I had told them, then somehow it would have gone differently..." Whether that makes sense or not.

  • @j030977
    @j030977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm gonna be 97 by the time y'all finish this series. No one can quit before it's done. 😭

  • @gracemon2oe
    @gracemon2oe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My absolute favorite episode of Buffy. What an absolute bomb to the face. Giles over the head bat to Angel’s face had me SCREAMING when I first watched this. You all (except Pat) had the identical reaction to me and what I assume is everyone: “ANGEL HAS TO GO.” I was thirsty for blood at this point.

  • @jens4435
    @jens4435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man and the worst thing about Passion is that he tells Buffy earlier to just wait it out. Just brutal. The next couple episodes are great too.

  • @Henrik_Holst
    @Henrik_Holst 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Buffys mom, Joyce was 39 at this point in the show (canonically she was born in 1958).

  • @JordiVanderwaal
    @JordiVanderwaal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This episode was so heartbreaking to watch back in the day. And on re-watches as well. Here is where s*** hit the fan. The rest of the season is *cheff's kiss* (except for ONE episode).

  • @jimmygreer2140
    @jimmygreer2140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, Chris made an excellent point that I had forgotten I felt the same when first seeing the show. Probably because after watching it originally it was known as "THAT show" for me.
    Yes, I thought Giles' advice of "ignore him & he'll go away" was really bad. He's immortal, he's got nothing but time to fuck with Buffy. But yeah, that point is really hit home with poor Jenny. But this is also the first episode where they hit the emotions. The way Buffy talks Giles out of his suicide revenge mission is just the beginning of a lovely father/daughter relationship.
    And the description..."We hope Angel dies. We don't care if he gets a spinoff". Be careful what you wish for.....

  • @krazkeelo9032
    @krazkeelo9032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When you get to season 4x1, you can start watching Angel, but watch them back to back of each other. Buffy 4x1, first, then angel 1x1, in that order, always. You'll see why.

  • @midnightcryptworx
    @midnightcryptworx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how all if you turned on Angel. Lol

  • @H8B7L
    @H8B7L 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So wait....the Normies dont know that Whedon m.o. is "I kill people in my show"`?
    Oh boy, the reactions in the Buffyverse are going to be goooood.

  • @jeannguyen3199
    @jeannguyen3199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I hope you're all planning on watching Angel's spin-off and Buffy in the exact order each episode came out, because if you don't, you'll be extremely confused. Trust me!

    • @Xhalph
      @Xhalph 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Slayalive guide seems popular with reactors. Instead of strictly alternating, it will sometimes put two or three episodes of one series in a row so two-parters and certain small arcs don't get interrupted.

    • @bhelliom3
      @bhelliom3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Never watched Angel and I was never confused watching Buffy, yet I see comments like these all the time.

    • @jeannguyen3199
      @jeannguyen3199 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bhelliom3
      How do you think Angel knew to show up on Thanksgiving in season 4? Or how do you think he got that medallion to give to Buffy in the finale?

    • @bhelliom3
      @bhelliom3 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jeannguyen3199 yeah I'm not a fan like you are so I'm not gonna try to defend how my 17 year old self just watched a show and enjoyed it without confusion.

    • @jeannguyen3199
      @jeannguyen3199 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bhelliom3
      If you say so. 👍🏻

  • @ThilaganT-y9i
    @ThilaganT-y9i ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been with you guys for years, I've never felt as disappointed as I did today. Honestly I feel like there's something wrong with you people.

  • @DumblyDorr
    @DumblyDorr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's interesting that there's a complete agreement that "he's got to go". The emotional reaction is of course understandable. But from an ethical perspective, it's not the same person at all. We might ask ourselves: If a friend was transported out of their body (getting back into which is their only chance to live), then the new tenant did something truly horrible and other people were out to off them - would we still think it's right to kill the body instead of trying to putting the original person back in?

  • @charmedoriginal5923
    @charmedoriginal5923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    R.I.P. Jenny Calendar aka Janna. You'll be missed. 🌹🌹🌹

  • @coreym0
    @coreym0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Just my personal opinion but Pat's got to go from reactions. I just can't stand him and his comments. Especially as how the show goes on and the emotional moments. But I also think there's just too many people on the couch as well for these reactions that stuff is being talked over and missed. I've said before but this show would be great with just Suraj, Rana, and Nikki. Maybe because I enjoyed their Lost series so much and feel like they are really good about paying attention and feeling what's happening.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like a lot of of the comments in the thread, but this is the only one that I will give a thumbs up to, so that it gets boosted to the top. Fuck that guy.

    • @mediablindspots
      @mediablindspots 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I couldn’t have said it better. I downvote content once in a blue moon, but this reaction video was the absolute worst. “Haha, OMG, Miss Calendar died? She was my favorite! Let’s make jokes!”

  • @TomsTube
    @TomsTube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Before I even watch the full video, I just gotta say how much I smile when I see these reactions. Huge fan of the show, and it brings all kinds of nostalgic feels to watch you react to it, cheers!!! ☺️👍🏻

  • @redviper6805
    @redviper6805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First time ever Joss Whedon let his audience know that nobody is safe.😞

    • @josephdavis9234
      @josephdavis9234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Principal got vored by hyena people.

    • @nescirian
      @nescirian 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@josephdavis9234 the fact that you call him "principal" is proof that it wasn't the same thing

    • @josephdavis9234
      @josephdavis9234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nescirian Technopagan got fridged over a floppy.

  • @bobbyclarkston8836
    @bobbyclarkston8836 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Q: How can you tell that Giles has become Americanized?
    A: He chose a baseball bat and not a cricket bat TO WHOOP SUM ASS!!!

  • @stevemccullagh36
    @stevemccullagh36 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Suraj being gone for this episode = Bad
    Chris being back for this episode = Worse

  • @haddow777
    @haddow777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why doesn't Angel just kill Buffy? This episode is all about answering that question. It usually takes a number of rewatches to get it. Angel, like everyone else is a slave to his passion, and his passion is Buffy. That's why he won't kill her.
    Vampires can't love because under all the makeup and lore, they are fundamentally just purely selfish beings. As such, all they get in the order of love is the negative aspects, like obsession. This entire episode explores that obsession, how Angel is like a cat and Buffy's the mouse he captured. He isn't going to kill her, he's wanting to play with her. It's Drucilla all over again. His plan is the cause her so much pain and kill everything she loves in this world, until she breaks. Then he can do his worst and turn her into him.
    The show comes across as light because it has so many comedy reliefs that distract from the real horror of the reality of vampires. Every so often though, they don't play off the harsh reality with a joke and you get a real glimpse of the real Buffyverse.

  • @jimmiegiboney2473
    @jimmiegiboney2473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mark 22:33. Since you didn't activate your, CC, I activated mine. It shows that you said, "Dental Calendar"! 😅😅😂

  • @Buffy8Fan
    @Buffy8Fan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it sad that I was waiting for them to get to this one just as much as I had been waiting for _Innocence?_
    Is it me or is it odd that Giles breaks up with Jenny because Buffy is mad at her and only starts patching things up when Buffy gives the OK that Giles "misses her." He can't make that decision on his own one way and/or the other? 😕
    Unless a person considers the motel/hotel room their home it is just another public entrance, and while on that note Angelus always had entrance into the school, as it is also a public building (not a private residence), and was just messing with Jenny about the sign in Latin giving him an invite.
    Giles one scene before finding Jenny in his bed says he needs to disinvite Angelus from his house. We don't see the invite onscreen, though.
    I would respect Xander thinking Angelus needed to die (even while not agreeing with it) if he didn't say he hated Angel before Angel was Angelus and therefore everyone else should get on board. That tells me Xander was still talking from a place of jealousy and not from a look at all the horrible things Angelus has done place. If he brought up Angelus pulling him through Buffy's window and trying to turn him in the last episode I would get it, but explaining he hated Angel before he had a reason to and urging the idea of Giles getting killed through revenge doesn't make me see his opinion as clearly as he is trying to push it. Buffy punching Giles for trying to get himself killed makes me know Buffy didn't agree with Xander when she said he was right. She just knew what Xander wasn't thinking. Giles was going to die if he did it the way Xander was hoping for and the way Giles ended up doing it.
    Don't get me started on the Willow as a teacher storyline. 🙄 In-universe, I just assume the school authorities belong in jail.
    Drusilla, Angel, Angelus, and Giles have all already broke down why Angelus doesn't want to just murder Buffy. His idea of hurting people isn't about murder. Its about the slow punishments that will lead to being crazy in the same way Drusilla is.
    Thank you normies for expressing issues with Joyce and not having the talk with Buffy earlier. It plays into my theory of Joyce not paying much attention to Buffy before Buffy burned her previous high school gym down. Joyce is only, as of season one, learning how to parent. It's probably why she doesn't call the cops on Angel, who from her perspective is an age of consent human while Buffy is not (or why she is reading parenting books and learning how to say no in early S1).

  • @minuette1752
    @minuette1752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nobody is safe in this show. Remember that.

  • @jal3010
    @jal3010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WHOEVER PUT "THE GAME" IN THERE COUNT YOUR DAYS

  • @sherrysink3177
    @sherrysink3177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I blocked out the talk with my mom. 😆 The only thing I remember is her asking me if I had any questions, and me wanting to get out of that room ASAP. I was pretty much like, "Nope! All good. Learned it all in school. Okay, byyyyyyeeeeee!"

    • @edwardt.8704
      @edwardt.8704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am honestly grateful that my school system included Sex Ed. as part of the fifth grade curriculum. I only recall Shame Talks with family growing up for the life of me. It's been pretty confusing in hindsight...

  • @sirbruce70
    @sirbruce70 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joyce was born in 1958; she was 39 during season 1 of Buffy (1997). Buffy was born in 1981 and was 16.

  • @gracemon2oe
    @gracemon2oe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also Spidey with the “Spike’s gonna be the one to beat his ass…” 🫣