@@dondutch4107 Yes it is Perplexing... it's pure self-loathing. They didn't get to this conclusion on their own, some zealot spewed this self-hatred into their naive ears and now they regurgitate it like mindless drones...
There's nothing wrong in thinking life doesn't begin at conception. The Bible literally says it begins at first breath in Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 7. Even the Catholic Church taught up until 1869 that a developing fetus did not have a human soul until "the quickening" late in the pregnancy.
Shoot I respect the pro choicers just for that. I believe it's possible to disagree and still have respect for one another at the end if the day Although it may be a lost art
I had this same sort of response happen at my school, there was a pro-life protester asking my opinion and when I said I don’t really care about the life of a fetus since it has no brain capacity they responded by asking “so would you not care about the life of someone mentally disabled?” And I responded “if their mental capacity is that of a fetus then I really don’t care if they die, no”
Dude, this was the dumbest argument ever. None would argue that a single blade of glass deserves respect over a desire of a human. And it's so idiotic that the pro life made that argument, and that the pro choice enabled her to make such an stupid point
🤣 I am laughing and cringing at the same time, you’re sarcasm, hilarious. You falling into their gender trap, cringe. I almost just left a “You spelled woman wrong” comment 😂
Yes. It happens when humans think they are talking to defend their beliefs. An actual conversation starts when both ask each other things like "so what got you to hold this belief so dear?" and "how can i help you see that the alternative viewpoint could also be valid?" .. may be. I'll adapt a saying to this context: "When I believe you care about me, i stop caring about your beliefs."
@rdc515 Your comment makes no sense. Nothing will change the opinion of another person after a conversation, ni matter how nice, polite and convincing you may sound. People don't want to pursue truth in a debate, they just wanna win the diacussion.
@@jameswalker6864 I must have chosen the wrong words then because I agree with what you just said, except i mean conversation as something different from polemics.
My 20 week old baby in my womb is currently 7.3 ounces. He has a heartbeat, he has likes and dislikes of food already (he makes me throw up corn dogs, but love fish and fettuccine Alfredo, I feel a sense of calm when I eat those two things. Like my body settles down) He has moral weight. He is a human creation, created straight from his father and me, his mother. I could never imagine thinking of a human being not having moral weight.
@@thechuvakdb6972It was a terrible point because we haven't physically been to Mars yet, so literally anything that came from another planet will be pretty important. Her "point" is trashy because I'm sure the general consensus would be "Yes, a single celled organism that came from another planet would be pretty important"
Like these pro life are so stuck in themselves and don’t care about anyone but themselves. You (as in them) can choose to keep the fetus don’t force that on anyone else
Why? Just because she's raising some sperm makes her and instant saint? Nope, there's plenty of horrific mothers. Your opinion is as useful as fly screens on a submarine.
Right, so is the human being that she was partly responsible for creating. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, but i cant expect intelligence from someone like you. Maybe the single cell on Mars might actually be worth more than some people, you and the obese lumberjack are great examples of that!
A fertilised egg is a single step above sperm and eggs, if you go by the metric of "potential" to grow then you're also killing potential people everytime you masturbate without donating your sperm which is pretty dumb
No it is a dumb founded circulaire reasoning to gain attention and to further her religious and political agenda, she doesn’t care about homeless and people or addicts just pre human form of life. She eats life every day, her cancer is healed by stemcels and the ONLY thing she cares about is being right, she doesn’t care for Palestinians or people in darfur or the Congo, neither for people in North Korea just pre human life forms…she is a empty shell created by a backwards society called USA where the life of an unborn is more valuable then a living person.
@MiaSalazar-tk2bk no of course not. Her point was that people think that these lesser forms of life, are more important than a developing human being.
I am curious. Correct me if m wrong here. How on earth can this video be labeled 'Pagan twins'???? If they're not Christian, they're following false gods??? How can this even be allowed??? Forget about abortion, can no one see this religious intolerance here??? Are conservatives really so bold to label other beliefs as Pagan? Am I misunderstanding something here? Correct me if I'm wrong. I genuinely can't believe this.
I know, we actually have to debate if a human fetus is worthy of respect and value. It should be a given. Yet a nut case taped her abortion and says it makes her happy every time she watches it and that it was "a positive experience." People wear T-shirts shouting out their pride in having an abortion.
I'm not surprised it's all men commenting lol . Go find all of these child predators that are praying on children. If you want to save the children, save the ones already here on earth. Go do something better with your time and leave women's issues to women.
@@gingerbeard9481 Hmmm let's see.. The risks of complication when giving birth, risks during pregnancy, the life-changing commitment to raising a child that she might not be ready or want for, the financial burden of raising a child... And if the mother should fail providing for her child, is that kid's life really that great after all? Or, if the act of giving birth is to make both the mother and the child's life miserable, isn't it better that she never brings that child into the world in the first place?
this is the same as saying abortion should be legal bcz rape. reality is poor women don't have access to abortion in the first place. just rich chicks trying to justify murder.
@@ozanozenir2503lol don’t even know just saying that They Say that “Grass does Feel Pain” But it actually does so what the heck are they gonna eat anything that is alive (Like Grass Plants or somethin” Feels pain so what are you going to eat exactly Meat and Veg. Not just Veg it’s not good for you to do that.
Before my pops left this earth for the other side. He always used to tell me, " the hardest thing in life for some people is to just be themselves." This becomes more apparent day by day.
@@Nowhy wow, I hope you're wrong. So you are saying since other groups of people don't like my group because I am black or Jewish or a different religion or follow a certain football team that if they won't to attack, injure or kill me then that is their right and nobody can tell them not to? Laws are made for a reason and they tell you what you can and can't do. You can't kill babies.
@@darellcanup681it’s not a baby in the womb. You can whine about it as much as you want, but it’s not a baby in the womb. If it is, then that much heat in the womb is dangerous and the baby should be taken out. Unless you’re happy with violence towards babies. :)
@@Anirudhji2001when does it become a baby? Honest question. I’m not calling u a baby killer or anything like that i just wondering when u start to think that person becomes a person. We can still abort babies after they would be capable of living outside the womb with medical treatment. Should we do away with incubators and stop trying to save babies who are born prematurely?
@@joshuabohn9429mate I get what you’re saying but in my world I’m seeing good people and families being families. I’m 40 and I’d say where I live compared to when I was a kid family values and friendship seems stronger.
This is my main issue with the whole thing. People want to preach pro life but there needs to be measures in place to help these women raise the babies or give them away. I feel like women sometimes don’t have any other option bc of money and their living situation.
Automatic boot straps for the new born no hand outs, no social safety net… Not even free lunch at schools lets gooooo pro life for the win😂. Honestly we are so fcked as a country I think its fine having a pro life stance but apply that to yourself, something as invasive as a pregnancy shouldn’t be forced on to someone. It comes with more social harm than just getting an abortion. Just imagine being born to a parent who didn’t want you and hold up resentment towards you, or someone who isn’t equipped financially to support a child. What kind of life that kids going to have? Whats the alternative foster care? Bunch of problems there too with abuse and neglect, an all round bad experience for a kid in that situation. End of the day these people dont care its just another way to control women to them and they love to get off to that.
You mean why don't people embrace Leftist welfare programs? Putting politics aside, however, since I don't want to sidetrack from the main point - protecting & valuing human life - would you seriously argue that since not everyone has healthcare, nobody should have healthcare? Because you're actually arguing to NOT protect mother & child at the point in their lives when they're MOST vulnerable & needy. You can't claim that moms & their children only deserve our protection & help sometimes, without being guilty of the hypocrisy you just suggested. So if you're for helping them have healthcare & affordable housing, you need to help them at ALL stages to be consistent
@LadyLee1982 how to say you're a clichéd product of Marxist academia without actually saying it, lol. Do tell us where your socialist utopia can be found, O entitled, I mean enlightened one
When I see this clips I thinks of the horrible threats on her and family, massive protesters, some wanting her dead, boxes of hate mail, and then the stalkers. And here she is
No. A conversation should allow all parties to put forward their point of view, not just one party control it. Maybe the counterbalance to this (and there indeed is one) was simply edited out.
If this life was so valuable what have you done to prevent events like Sandy Hook Elementary School and massacred 6 adults and 20 children? Where’s your outrage over this? “Every year in the United States, almost 37,000 children die before their 18th birthday.” Maybe GOD is telling you, you can’t even take care of the little ones I give you so some will come directly to ME!
Well all humans are clumps of cells if you think about it. You’re just a bigger clump of cells than a fetus. And I think it’s the best type of mutual respect to value your right to do anything with your OWN body, while also valuing the unborn child’s life by not letting you kill it.
@@Raindropsundropgumdrop Says who? That’s like saying astronauts in spacesuits aren’t living beings because they can’t survive outside their suits. Or someone on life support isn’t living because they can’t survive without a machine. There’s a lot of situations where we can’t survive without help from others. That’s what hospitals are for. Doesn’t make us less human or unworthy of life. Don’t you guys believe in welfare? Leeching off the government - I guess they are clumps of cells too by your logic
@@Raindropsundropgumdrop Is survival outside a body the definition of life? Who says? Leave a newborn outside in the elements and it’ll day. Leave a kid alone for too long with no guidance and they’ll most likely get hurt or die. Honestly, if you leave the average modern adult out in the woods by themselves, they will most likely die. None of us are truly independent and the conveniences of modern society make us less and less independent every day. Heck, you rely on doctors and nurses to abort your child for doing nothing but simply relying on you.
@degarri7995 A fetus is an unborn child after the stage of an embryo, up until birth. What do people give birth to? A baby. Where it is developing, inside or outside the womb, doesn't change what it is or it's value. A 36 week old fetus inside the womb or if it has been prematurely born, is the same. A baby.
It didn’t use to need to be explained but now days people have too much time to think and they start to question stuff that doesn’t need to be questioned
It doesn't. They know the truth. But they grasp at straws and lies and so you have to trap them in their own lies in front of them for them to actually look at them.
But that's assuming logic and reason are applicable. In their world, they are not. They are unprincipled. They say things like "my body my choice" but they don't mean them. Look at the v mandates, which they *all* support.
@@keyser456I’m sorry, when did the federal government force you to get a vaccine? Would the answer be never? That’s what I thought. When it comes to abortion, if you think life starts at conception good for you. Do not FORCE the rest of us to share your beliefs.
@@ryant5447 Not sure what rock you've been living in but coercion was absolutely used to coerce people into getting these things against their will. Stop lying. Just stop. Look around. You're not fooling anybody.
I literally just learned about Isabel’s existence and I can’t get enough of her. This argument was beyond smart. I think she just changed my mind about abortion, seriously.
Wow. No one was yelling or trying to fight and argue, or interrupt and shout down the other person. Nice to see people engaging in calm and rational civil discourse
I like the fact that she acknowledges the importance of the conversation not only for her sake but that of the person she is talking too. It was a good way to prevent them from getting over excited and causing unnecessary stress.
@@bulletanarchylmao I love how you criticize his comment for being nothing while you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prove him wrong.....you literally posted a comment about nothing, crying about he has no argument 🤣🤣🤣 you're literally like a child
We are not animals and should protect the baby inside and outside the womb. Our Moms chose to love and protect us in and outside their wombs. We were born to do the same. Blessings.
We are animals too but I don't know ANY animal that tries to kill its babies while pregnant. It's biological for animals to want to pass down their genes, and even animal species that try to kill their children after they're born, it's because hunger won out but no animal species just kills its young because they don't want it. 🤷🏼♀️
I assume this is a debate on abortion. The difference isnt that a human isnt worthy. Is your egg or sperm or embryo considered a human? If so, when a woman has a period, a potential child was not born, thus died, thus aborted. An embryo in a lab is the same thing. Each has a "potential" to be a human being. I assume we're all logical that a period is normal and women shouldnt be pregnant every 9 months to keep that egg alive. So then when do these start defining it a human? at conception some would argue. At 6 weeks, at 12 weeks etc. Is it pain, is it the heartbeat, which defines it? The answer to that varies per person. What is true however is that a fetus cant survive without its mother, but the mother has autonomy towards her own body. Once we've come up with a way to take the baby alive from the mother's womb whenever she doesnt want the baby and help it live, then abortion should be abolished. But we don't have that. The mom as an individual loses her rights to the baby which is wrong.
@@aj-sz8mu What a silly notion, a newly born baby is not independent either. No child on their own for quite a few years will survive without the presence of an adult. So many 'guiltless' and 'wonderful' and 'pure' animals that are placed above humans risk their life and spend all of their energy into their offspring. We even see some animals go through what could be considered pain, suffering, and grief when they fail as parents and their offspring die. Women aren't gaining rights by the right to choose, they are being stripped of the right to their motherhood; and for what? A job in where no one tells them that they are loved, and that they are wonderful? That they can't imagine what life would be like without them? People have substituted children with virtue signaling and have convinced themselves that it's better than being a parent. They demand the love and respect that they expect from a child they don't have from an uncaring world, and get all angry when that uncaring world gives them nothing.
She changed what they actually said. She claimed they said the blade of grass was worthy but that's not at all what they said. I hate hate hate the dishonesty in these debates.
@@domusardet4961yeah and they agree, they just place fetuses low on that hypothetical scale, this woman’s argument was made entirely in bad faith, it’s a good thing she’s pretty cause she’s anything but smart.
One thing i have seen in common is that these students already have a fix mindset which leads them to not learn from others perspective... It's really important to also see from others perspective
That is an excellent observation. At college level a person should be seeking out other opinions and information. Students now seem to only want to argue their point and be open to other’s.
We understand your perspective, we just don't care. If abortion is against your religion or against your morals, fine, don't have them. However, you have no right to stop everyone else on earth.
@@Rigorous_Storm It's only good to you, that's my point. There are reasons for abortion beyond just not wanting a baby and they are good reasons. Life of the mother, deformity, illnesses, anything that is worse than death basically. Why bring a child into the world you know will do nothing but suffer? Don't go on about sometimes doctors are wrong, yadda-yadda, that happens very rarely.
When you hate yourself, you project your hate onto others. When you lack confidence in yourself, you are easily swayed to join others and accept what they say and their opinions in order to feel accepted and liked. When you are confident, and love yourself, you don’t care what others “think” about you, as you know your self worth and no one can take it away from you!
I'm not sure how your comment relates to the topic. If you're saying that many anti-abortiinists don't think for themselves but go with a bias they bpicknup from preachers, that's certainly true. Catholics in particular start with a conclusion - that aborting is wrong - and then if asked for reasons, come up with an argument. It is far better to listen to both sides and decide using critical thinking. We all have biases, conscious or unconscious, from which it is very difficult to escape. We search for an argument that supports our presupposition and look for excuses to reject the opposing view. This can apply, in the case of abortion, to both pro and anti-abortionists.
@@john24110I need to preface this by saying although I’m pro abortion I still could never push myself to get one even if it was necessary. Now, I just think it’s strange that abortion is become more and more illegal across the US because people don’t like it and must now push their belief into a policy to push onto other people. Crazy to me
@@IrishPotato86 would you help increase regulation on assault weapons and machine guns? If your answer is no then you are not pro life you’re just simply anti abortion
A human being (as well as animals and organisms) is worthy of moral value! Just as if a woman decides to make a a choice of what to do with her pregnancy! HER CHOICE should Be RESPECTED
Everything you said was true. So are we talking about a woman’s choice to get a tattoo, plastic surgery, drink or smoke? No, I believe you’re referring to a woman’s supposed right to murder a child who just happens to be in her body. Alright, let me paint a picture. Suppose you’re a homeowner and you say “my house is my choice.” So you say “I can do anything I want in my house: arrange furniture, paint the walls, change the locks, invite people inside to murder them, etc.” Ok, it is your house but one thing clearly shouldn’t make the list of things you can do just because it takes place in your house. You can’t kill people just because you own a house or have a body. People aren’t your property
It's so confusing to me that someone can define morality in the first sentence followed by killing a life in the next. If it's morally sound to do so, why the need to sugar coat killing your baby with calling it "woman's choice" Also, if any mom or father has gone through this, I believe u can ask for forgiveness & be forgiven as well as forgive yourself.
@@AndreaonKCislandThe term of killing a living cell is intense, I know. But have y'all even considered the human bearing the cell? That cell can't feel pain, the woman can. Let women have a choice, pregnancy is hard enough... I don't get why people aren't okay with them having a choice.
@@buttercakiesGod has only used your mother's womb to bring you to life. Because, that is how God plans the system of HUMAN AND ANIMALS REPRODUCTION. But you were not a part of your mother's body when you were in her womb. The only thing that was connected to you, with your mother, was the OMBILICAL CODE. IF it happened that your mother had passed away while you were in her womb, you were able to survive at 12 to 20 months old out of her womb. If you were a part of her body you would automatically die with her like the other organs that compose her body. But, you survived Because, You are absolutely another separate person, you are not a part of her body. Therefore she doesn't have the Legal Right to kill her unborn baby, like any other kids of her.😂 She can commit her SIN in secret if she wants to, like some of them used to do before. But, she doesn't have to ask for the Law of the Land and the public to join her, to give her permission to assassinate a PRECIOUS INNOCENT UNBORN BABY! 🐥 🍼 EVEN IN THE PAGAN COUNTRIES THOSE KINDS OF BARBARIC CRIME DON'T ALLOW TO EVEN DISCUSS IN PUBLIC IN THEIR SOCIETY!!!😂
of course all life has value, but the issue is that people value the life of a fetus more than the woman carrying it. also, children deserve to be born to parents who truly want them
Children deserve to be born and have a chance. We don't get to kill baby's because the mom didn't just didn't want it. The mom already chose to creat that baby and now doesn't want to take responsibility and raise it. Just because we are trying to stop the mass slaughter of millions of babies doesn't mean we should also be responsible for the entire life of everyone.
So you believe a fetus having the right to not be killed is it having more rights than its mother? And you believe a foetus should not have more rights than its mother? So you would be for legal killing of a 8month old foetus?
We all value plants, but if your forced to choose between a blade of grass & your dog, everybody is picking the dog, you can't measure the life of an 2 week embryo and compare it to that of a sentient human being who has an experience of consciousness
So you support killing people in comas knowing they will wake up in 9 months? Or if having had experience in the past matter then why? Someone who was born unconscious and lived for 10 years on life support; but now in 9 months doctors can wake them up, you think its okay to kill them.
These two ‘loggers’ are beyond stupid, honey……and she didn’t get pulled down to their 1 brain cell level. They are just two ‘loggers’ that share a brain cell.
Human is the mist destructive living in the planet and the problem is goverment because these 2 kids in black and red shirt they need help medication mental help support they need to get lockdown they are dangerous for the planet how can they walk free in the street whit our kids 😢😢
Some of the most intelligent people ever to walk earth were very hard to get along with , or were so influential that they became emperors and kings. Think about it, they are so influential that people WILLINGLY do their will. BUT , only great leaders can go the distance. There are also intelligent but greedy arrongant dense leaders that hold up the fascade for a couple years and then people start noticing that these supposed “leaders” are really parasites feeding off society by intelligent but deceptive tactics.
As someone who was born with a genetic condition, abortion needs to stay legal since some abortions are in the best interests of the mother or the foetus. If it’s going to be illegal it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, it just going to be done illegally which can be deadly to the mother!
If it stayed as "abort only for extreme circumstances," you could probably get enough support behind it to really make it legal. Unfortunately, that's not what most women are arguing for. They want "choice." Extreme circumstances involve either very little or no choice (you either lose one life or two). "I choose not to be pregnant" is something you should think about before doing the actions that create life, not to mention that there are already morning after pills that are relatively easy to obtain. A society that would allow such callousness as ending life because it inconveniences someone is a society that won't last long. History has had many civilizations and empires that turned to killing babies for various reasons, and none of them are around anymore.
@@shawnheidingsfelder8179that also comes with the point of actually teaching kids of keeping their legs closed before marriage, to not cheat, and the dangers of the actions. After all that, it’s now more focused on whether abortion is good or not. Be it that the fetus is human life or in the chance to scare them into not doing it. Either way, making it illegal is sadly not going to stop them from aborting the fetus themselves. There is also the chance of not knowing/denial to know you were pregnant until it’s too late. Both adults and teens have similar (that want the baby/calm about it happening) to drastically different actions in that situation to get rid of it after birth.
Yep. I've brought this point up to people. Either you legalize it or there's gonna be a lot more illegal abortions. Or in the case of a good where I live people will just keep the pregnancy a secret, drink enough to cause a miscarriage and claim they had no idea they were pregnant. And that carries risk of damage to the fetus if it doesn't miscarry or might even kill the Mom. It's no different than trying to put people in prison for drugs. You're never gonna stop people from doing them. You're better off just regulating it.
“I respect the fetus, but I respect someone with human experience more” -some random guy i saw I’m just adding, I’m pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I feel as if women should at least get the choice to get rid of a fetus before it becomes too late. I’m just saying this quote because just imagine what a mother who could have been raped, sexually assaulted, or impregnated without consent. Imagine how hard it would be for both her and her baby if she gave birth. There’s already too many kids in foster care and adoption centers. I was adopted myself. But I’m seriously questioning why pro-life folks really think that they should get to have an opinion that could very much change an entire life because of their morals.
I think therefore I am. If you apply the logic that ”that group of cell had the potential for life if you didn’t interfere” then Ejaculation is murder for the sake of pleasure because you had no right to expel all those cells who could have had potential for life if you just tried and got laid instead
@@THEFRENDLYCOW But sperm do not have the potential to create life if you do not interfere. Furthermore, they lose fertility as time passes and the human body naturally expels them when we sleep even without masturbation...
@@THEFRENDLYCOW It’s about life beginning at conception. So if you’re using some sort of contraceptive or birth control to prevent getting pregnant, you’re preventing having to get an abortion of a baby you don’t want. But when you don’t take the steps to prevent conception and conceive a baby and then abort it, that’s when it becomes the topic that they’re talking about here.
@@theyoutubeguide1109 you’re talking about a completely different thing when you say ”life”. Cells automatically developing is similar to your sperm automatically swimming to the egg, each one a equal opportunity to be an individual person if not interfered with. When there’s some level brain activity we cannot see if this person is conscious or not yet, but when there’s no brain activity we can say this is a person that has, and will now never be conscious therefore never thinking so never being.
People need to realize the difference between being alive, and life. Microorganisms are alive, some would argue they have life, but nobody is going around fighting for the rights of microorganisms.
@brianstrutter1501 you can go as far back as you like, you have to arbitrarily draw a line and it so happens that a sperms and an egg meeting is convenient enough.
@@pneumaniac14only convenient if you want to downplay the value of life of a living human being known as a pregnant woman. Abortion bans state that, not only are pregnant woman undeserving of the same rights as all other people in the US (since they do not have the right to self-preservation, the right to decide what medical procedures they will undergo, the right to ownership of their own bodies, etc...all rights other human beings have) while simultaneously placing their rights beneath that of cellular life. It is the dehumanization of pregnant women.
she proved the opponents point, saying there is different types of life makes pro choice make more sense, the unborn human is not at the same moral hierarchy as the born human
@@ponderrous2659 What is the moral weight of a single fertized egg? How about with one brain cell. How about with a single pain receptor. How about with a beating heart?
She told it like it is! So much respect for her as a fetus is a living being, yet some think a blade of grass is more important. She pointed out the truth to make people think. God Bless ger as she soeaks the truth! ❤ 👶
@gurug1161 I think their argument would be "As long as a human has a heartbeat, we should help use resources to keep that heart beating even if the brain has flatlined, and shows no signs of recovering."
If we found an alien species that could use tools and clearly had experiences like ours, and hopes and dreams, would it not being human dna make you think it's not worth the same as human life? It's not about being human. Once something has a conscious experience you have to have a good reason that outweighs their rights to end that experience. A fetus does not have a conscious experience until 20-24 weeks at the earliest.
Which is important that if a person happens to be on the receiving end of such questioning, to put a stop to it and refuse to play the game... "Get to the point." "I'm trying." "You can get there faster, I'm not playing 20 questions." "If you just give me time, I can-" "This isn't a game. Please get to the point."
Logically, she is still losing the argument. The fetus is in an environment where the female body is taking actions to kill the fetus. This process assures that healthy children are born. Only the woman gets to decide. In nature, things occur that is gruesome. What humans do is above nature. YET, we still need to accept nature. Life and DEATH is part of this cycle.
She’s wrong tho, people don’t value just life, we already justify killing animals, humans value sophisticated consciousness and consciousness in general, an early fetus doesn’t have consciousness so killing it is not literal murder before 24 weeks
@@chrisdailey102what I'm assuming was meant is that a puppy doesn't rely on human organs to survive, but a fetus does. a fetus cannot survive if you separate it from the womb, it therefore relies on another person's body to continue living (whereas a puppy is a separate from a human being, it's doing its own thing regardless of us). because fetuses do not possess bodily autonomy, and according to certain views, because it has no autonomy it has no right to exist without the permission of whoever is carrying it (the mother)... the same way the government cannot donate your organs to those in need -- even after you've died -- without your permission, pro-choicers argue this logic should also apply to pregnancies
@@zydnax its fair to assume because she wasn't clear, but what I assumed was meant and likely what those above assumed also was she was saying "human lives don't have value but dog lives do".
The interesting thing is that a growing organism cannot live on its own, it is not it’s own separate being. It does not have a higher value than the person growing it. We cannot prioritize some lives over others, and being put into an overcrowded, unsafe foster care system is not what a life deserves
Not to mention there's like 410,000 child in the United States that are in foster care. That's not including the kids on the streets or the rest of the world. There's also 8 billion people already on the planet and they people to have more? I don't wanna hear them complain about over population and food shortages then.
But what if the child wants to live. Is killing a fetus because it might end up in foster care the same as killing a child because they are in foster care? Is living in any way not better than being dead? I think people see abortion as getting rid of something that was never living but studies have shown that fetuses have sentience well before they are born. When you abort a child you are throwing away a SENTIENT human being with thoughts and emotions. It’s no different than if you killed it after it was born.
@@AcAwesomeAndrew I could not have said it better. Abortion advocates point out these consequences, but when you point out that killing a child in foster care so they won't have to suffer is the same thing as killing a child so they don't have to go into foster care and suffer.
@@AcAwesomeAndrewYou have zero clue what sentient means clearly. A fetus has zero ability to perceive and have consciousness of any sensations including pain since their brains aren’t even clicked to the on stage yet. The only part of abortion I don’t support is anything past 5 months and the fetuses are still unconscious half made beings. Sentient is a dog not a lump of cells barely developed that can’t act on a single action or think a single thing.
@@AcAwesomeAndrewa fetus can’t taste, hear, feel,smell or even fkin see until very late into the stage. You woosy no brainers have such little critical thinking and common sense it’s disgusting you can make decisions for our country
I love actual intellectual conversations. I am pro choice, but I can understand her reasoning for being pro life. Her point was clear and well made. It sucks that the pro choice people didn’t have a chance to explain in this video. I’ve noticed many pro choice people are looking at it from a medical standpoint while pro lifers are looking at it from a religious and personal moral standpoint.
@@prismo6621 Seriously? What if I said no white/European-descended, native, Indian, Arab, etc. American can speak in full sentences or use grammar? It would be inherently wrong. I am African American myself (second-generation) and I can use grammar just fine. On the Internet, however, it makes it easier to use simplifications as long as people know what you're referring to: known as slang.
Also, to people who would say that an unborn child is a parasite, that is medically incorrect. The unborn child actually helps boost the immune system of the mother. Since both beings (mother and child) are getting something out of the relationship, that is defined as a symbiotic relationship, rather than a parasitical one.
Bravo young lady you have rejuvenated my faith in young people keep speaking the truth just maybe with a person like you, you can change the minds of the young who only see one side of a story thank you
You know my partner had an abortion before i met her , she was genuinely raped , first time meeting this guy, forced upon her she definitely didn't want to have his baby thats for sure. Shes pregnant with mine now and it wasnt planned but she's keeping it. Yes , we should respect human life , when it's intended and in a loving environment. Nobody should be forced to have a rapists baby against their will.
agree with this completley people who are against abortion dont see this and never will get this through their head by having a rapists child theyre bringing that kid to life only to give it up and later that kid will resent all life its better to not have it than to bring it to the world to suffer knowing that they were a product of a rapist theres no way i would do that to a child if i were in the situation id rather abort it
I understand and respect your opinion as this is obviously a sensitive subject. My opinion is that unless the child being born would cause the mother to die, I still think it would be better for the child to be born.
@clerpington_the_fifth right, because that's all supposed "pro lifers" care about. That the baby is born. You don't care for the woman who has to risk her life with a pregnancy for 9 months. You don't care for the woman's who's life will be in danger when she goes into labor. You don't care for the woman who will have to raise her rapist's child. You don't even bother to care for the kind of life that child is going to be subject to. As long as that woman is forced to give birth to the baby, everything is peachy in your world.
I’m adopted and so grateful that my birth mother loved me enough to give me up and my mother loved me enough to take me. So many couples cannot have children and are waiting years for adoption. They would happily take in a child who’ mother can’t raise for whatever reasons.
How old were you when you were adopted if you don't mind sharing. Because some adopted kids aren't as lucky as I'm sure you know. They get thrown in the system and dont make it out until they're 18 or become stuck with people that just take them in for the money and get abused in many different ways. There are people out there who want/would adopt a child but people mostly look for babies and not older children. Finding someone willing to take a teenager is like finding a needle in a haystack.
And i would argue that it shouldnt be taken away just because we all have different beliefs some might e religious some might be a morality to others but if we take this choice away it will make people seek out unsafe and even deadly options.history is truly repeating itself.and i will reiterate this by saying just because you dont believe in it personally doesnt mean you take the choice of choosing to keep said fetus or the choice of choosing to not keep said fetus.again this will just lead to more deaths and people will seek out unsafe options
That is due to Conservation not Rights. Eagles are endangered, so every egg is protected I order to allow the species to exhist. Human beings are not endangered, do not have a place on any endangered list so are not protected via the same laws or rules that a Eagles egg is.
@@PhillipPayne-ue8ui so you approve of rape victims being forced to bear their attacker's child? Even if that victim is a child themselves? You don't care about the victim's life or their forced pregnancy.
Even a stubborn toddler has more respect for life then these plaid twins. And I'm sitting with my stubborn toddler right now as he hugs my pregnant belly saying "sister, baby" and kissing my belly. ❤❤
@@ladyofnoxus6733what about the people that can’t love kids the way you do. What about the kids that have to grow up in foster care or adoption because their mother had to give them up. You care more about keeping it alive than what actually happens to the unwanted child after it’s born. If mothers had the choice that stuff wouldn’t be as prevalent.
@krisbailey8537 sorry no matter what, a chance at life is always better than thay chance being selfishly stolen. Those are murders who abort their children due to selfish reasons. Having a hard life is better than being killed in the one place you are supposed to be safe. Growing into an adult is better than again being snuffed from the earth.
@krisbailey8537 I care about life. And everyone deserves a chance at it. You rather murder a life then cry moral high ground with BLM and all that nonsense. Go cry a river.
@@jumpman2680 I definitely don't see rainbows and unicorns, I understand that some people wanna make other people's lives better because they don't want people to feel the way that they do, that's hardly rainbows and unicorns
Not really, hence why there are about 400,000 children in American foster care. Pro-birthers care for fetuses until they are born, pro-choicers care about the kids we already have and will have in the future. Huge difference.
@@thejudge3658Interesting argument when the amount of pro-choicers asked if they have fostered or adopted don’t seem to differ much from the assumed view of pro-lifers.🤔
@@thejudge3658 The best part is they then rail off on the absent father stereo types. If they weren't so high an mighty they would adopt them no question.
I value a dog that I have personal attachments to over a human that I have personal attachments to. Dog backwards is God, Dogs were sent by God. Dogs are at the top of the hierarchy. No debate.
You can tell who just wants to argue and has attitude from the beginning. Some people aren’t there to learn or understand the other side, rather they just want to fight and disrespect
My exgf tried to make the argument that the life of a fly and the life of a human are the same thing. That killing a fly is like killing a human. Then I tried to make the argument of moral hierarchies, as this young lady does, but then she called me a white supremacist and colonialist for thinking that. To say one thing is better than the other inherently is colonialist in her view.
“White supremacist and colonialist” she went to race but with the ignorance that a black African could be just as opposed to abortion on moral grounds as a white American
Lmao, what a cynical take on the world. How are you so fragile that you think being asked a question is a trap. Snowflakes all over the place, god damn. Have some self respect and personal accountability and be a useful member of society. You got a long way to go, kiddo.
The conservatives uses that technique all the time, simple yes or no questions, followed by an agreement. The audience then forget quicly that they didn't agree on the original statement, or being on a totaly different context. They could of won the argument using her "hiarechy" point in their favor, a mother is ranked above a fertilized eggs. Even though a fertilized egg is above a blade of grass. People forget in a debate that you have to use their own logic against them if that is what they are doing with you.
I agree and disagree with this statement as a pet owner. Sometimes the disappointment in people is so strong that you can’t help but love your animal more.
King Alexander said when he was about to die that I want all my possessions to be placed outside because i want people to know that no matter how much wealth you own that it cannot be taken into the after life . Then he ordered that the finest doctors hold up the casket to show the people that no matter how many years of healing and research theyve done I want the people to know that no one can stop someone from dying .
And thats the reason why underaged girls are supposed to carry their unwanted babies? Having their teenage boyfriends commit #*uicide because they are forced to throw away their youth to raise a child they didn’t want? Girls that are r#*e victims of their own family or some predator, forced to have that child? Like it or not, the society we live in today is a society of domesticated life, where we have to concider every individuals situation to avoid them being caused harm. Religious or not, beliefs of ones future life, its more important to concider a person, than their unborn fetus
@@thewrathofdumbledore4867As to the first scenario, it was 100% their choice and own stupidity and no one else's so yes, they would be facing the consequences. The same way people who drink and drive don't get a pass just because they're young and stupid. Actions will have consequences. Rape victims make up less than 1% of abortions and they could be exceptions since unlike the other 99% of the time, it wasn't their fault. There's also giving your baby up for adoption.
If you call any side stupid it shows your lack of intelligence and emotional intelligence if you can’t at all or won’t try to see anyone else’s side shows your lack of everything good
@@thewrathofdumbledore4867first off there are too many teenagers having sex and very much unprotected most of the time. So yes it is there own stupidity if they didn't want a kid then they shouldn't have been silly and wrapped their willy.
Eh. She just forced her viewpoint onto the crowd. There was no timing to it just a prepared "gotcha". It would have worked if the other lady hadn't specifically said she doesn't value grass or fish in the ocean. To then use her prepared "gotcha" is corny and shows us that the speaker is a puppet
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556they were both sharing their view points... where those view points shared relevance differed... They both had preplanned talking points So I find your point moot
Click on the Related Video to watch the full 26-minute conversation that Kristan and Isabel had with these 2 pro-choicers.
you should familiarize yourself with the aspirations of an extinctionist and their point of view wont be so perplexing..
No way in heck I could watch 26 more minutes of these two children. But thanks anyway.
@@Altered76 My thought exactly...
@@dondutch4107 Yes it is Perplexing... it's pure self-loathing. They didn't get to this conclusion on their own, some zealot spewed this self-hatred into their naive ears and now they regurgitate it like mindless drones...
Add the link please
We can't expect those who hate themselves to love human life.
Big fact!
WOOOWWWW
Best explanation!!!
There's nothing wrong in thinking life doesn't begin at conception. The Bible literally says it begins at first breath in Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 7.
Even the Catholic Church taught up until 1869 that a developing fetus did not have a human soul until "the quickening" late in the pregnancy.
Best comment yet . Absolutely 💯 fact !!!
"It's easier to fool a person than it is to convince them they have been fooled." - Mark Twain
perfect quote for that, thanks.
@@williamrosa4322 asmongold says this too
asmongold says this too
Every 3rd comment on every TH-cam short that I've watched today is a quote from Twain...
@flvbbernvggets, I've been noticing that too. Maybe there is something to it?
I'm glad they could have a discussion without screaming at each other, that's rare these days
You should watch the entire interaction. They were not as respectful as you think.
Shoot I respect the pro choicers just for that.
I believe it's possible to disagree and still have respect for one another at the end if the day
Although it may be a lost art
@@kawaiisenshi2401I do not and couldn't disagree with you more.
Well enough of them vote so that’s all that really matter.
If voting mattered they wouldn’t let you do it
Wow !!! I wish I could hug her!!! Wisdom is truly known by her children!
"Fish is comparable to a blade of grass"
My boy nemo took offense to that and is on the way.
😂😂😂😂👍🏽👌🏽
😂😂😂
HAH
Did you just assume it's gender?
so you value life by a mental or phycological ability? Life is life.
'Is a puppy a life worthy of respect and value'
'No.'
'Well shit'
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Everything is food is your hungry enough
I had this same sort of response happen at my school, there was a pro-life protester asking my opinion and when I said I don’t really care about the life of a fetus since it has no brain capacity they responded by asking “so would you not care about the life of someone mentally disabled?” And I responded “if their mental capacity is that of a fetus then I really don’t care if they die, no”
John Wick has entered the chat
(Sigma pout)
I really like how they both handled this. No one was screaming and cutting each other off! So refreshing
That is because the discussion was broken down as if the speaker was talking to a child.
Dude, this was the dumbest argument ever. None would argue that a single blade of glass deserves respect over a desire of a human. And it's so idiotic that the pro life made that argument, and that the pro choice enabled her to make such an stupid point
The second they mentioned a blade of grass being compared to a puppy I was lost ngl 😅
I dont know man.. That left one seems a bit emotionally unstable.
@@P3T3RXIIIspot on 😆
Every human being should be respected regardless of race, age , Gender.
"Now, if we could just convince people that some of them aren't human... "
Even pedophiles, murderers. And rapists?
Im just glad those two fine young men took time off their logging shift to come down and have an intellectual debate.
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🤣 I am laughing and cringing at the same time, you’re sarcasm, hilarious. You falling into their gender trap, cringe. I almost just left a “You spelled woman wrong” comment 😂
You forgot the "WO" in the men
THATS HILARIOUS MAN!
😂😂😂😂
Its amazing how the two talk without interrupting each other and still manage to not have a conversation.
I struggled to get anything from this awell. The "students for life" girl`s strawman at the end didnt help anyone but herself i recon.
Yes. It happens when humans think they are talking to defend their beliefs. An actual conversation starts when both ask each other things like "so what got you to hold this belief so dear?" and "how can i help you see that the alternative viewpoint could also be valid?" .. may be. I'll adapt a saying to this context: "When I believe you care about me, i stop caring about your beliefs."
@rdc515 Your comment makes no sense. Nothing will change the opinion of another person after a conversation, ni matter how nice, polite and convincing you may sound. People don't want to pursue truth in a debate, they just wanna win the diacussion.
@@jameswalker6864 ?
@@jameswalker6864 I must have chosen the wrong words then because I agree with what you just said, except i mean conversation as something different from polemics.
Respect to both side for not yelling or insulting each other
Facts, so true.
thats always nice to see
It's usually the furry/bee/fairy delusional people who are yelling
@Andre-to1og yeah just look at the woman in the red flannel you can just tell she wants to rip and shred everything she sees
Pretty sure it did lol... this is a short.
My 20 week old baby in my womb is currently 7.3 ounces. He has a heartbeat, he has likes and dislikes of food already (he makes me throw up corn dogs, but love fish and fettuccine Alfredo, I feel a sense of calm when I eat those two things. Like my body settles down)
He has moral weight.
He is a human creation, created straight from his father and me, his mother.
I could never imagine thinking of a human being not having moral weight.
Can’t lie an organism on mars would be pretty damn important
That's not point though
Extremely so. It would greatly influence our understanding of science and biology
Space is fake
@@thechuvakdb6972It was a terrible point because we haven't physically been to Mars yet, so literally anything that came from another planet will be pretty important. Her "point" is trashy because I'm sure the general consensus would be "Yes, a single celled organism that came from another planet would be pretty important"
@@redacted8720 it’s not that deep
A mother/pregnant woman, is a life worthy of respect and value.
Like these pro life are so stuck in themselves and don’t care about anyone but themselves. You (as in them) can choose to keep the fetus don’t force that on anyone else
@@loka-chan6695 That's why I think "Pro-Birther" is a more accurate term tbh
Why? Just because she's raising some sperm makes her and instant saint? Nope, there's plenty of horrific mothers. Your opinion is as useful as fly screens on a submarine.
Right, so is the human being that she was partly responsible for creating.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive, but i cant expect intelligence from someone like you.
Maybe the single cell on Mars might actually be worth more than some people, you and the obese lumberjack are great examples of that!
Wrong answer
She killed her argument when she said that a blade of grass could be comparable to a "FERTILIZED EGG. A human embryo IS a fertilized egg
😂
A fertilised egg is a single step above sperm and eggs, if you go by the metric of "potential" to grow then you're also killing potential people everytime you masturbate without donating your sperm which is pretty dumb
I hate to be that guy and split hairs but technically a fertilized egg is a zygote and an embryo is when the organs start to form
@@derrickstewart1552An embryo is the byproduct of a fertilized egg. Is what he should of said, if you wanted to be picky 😄😏
I don't think that guy will ever has his eggs fertilized 😂😅
Well said. Human being is worthy of our respect whether in the womb or not
I have not heard this any better. She really made a point perfectly.
No she didn't lol
No it is a dumb founded circulaire reasoning to gain attention and to further her religious and political agenda, she doesn’t care about homeless and people or addicts just pre human form of life. She eats life every day, her cancer is healed by stemcels and the ONLY thing she cares about is being right, she doesn’t care for Palestinians or people in darfur or the Congo, neither for people in North Korea just pre human life forms…she is a empty shell created by a backwards society called USA where the life of an unborn is more valuable then a living person.
she literally didn’t. a blade of grass, a fish in the ocean, life on mars, and a fetus in a dying world are not held in the same context
@MiaSalazar-tk2bk no of course not. Her point was that people think that these lesser forms of life, are more important than a developing human being.
Whoosh. @@MiaSalazar-tk2bk
"Yes, because it is seperate from a human being".... that first answer just showed me everything i already knew
Agreed, a puppy is separate from a human being. It was never part of a human being. Future rocket scientist.
I am curious. Correct me if m wrong here.
How on earth can this video be labeled 'Pagan twins'???? If they're not Christian, they're following false gods??? How can this even be allowed??? Forget about abortion, can no one see this religious intolerance here??? Are conservatives really so bold to label other beliefs as Pagan? Am I misunderstanding something here? Correct me if I'm wrong. I genuinely can't believe this.
@@shellytanner hahaha
they a dumb as they come🤣
@@shellytanner I hear she was going for the Nobel prize 😂 jk
@@shellytanner woosh
“Yes, because it is SEPARATE from a human being”
Good to know that this is the criteria for deserving respect and value.
It's funny because humans are the only creatures that truly understand our respect and value
@@mantroll2891bullshit
I think she refers to a fetus p.e. is dependend on the woman whereas an already born puppy is "separate"
Yep. She has to be the very ultimate stupid person to say that while been human😅
@@mantroll2891yeahhh
Please teach them..God bless you lady
She is so calm while the other person was so heated while saying “Yes” Perfect example how people think with their emotions these days
This is an emotive subject yet the speaker showed no emotion and the audience member was emphatic but not emotional.
They're emotionally unstable
@@jomc20wrong
You're assuming they think to begin with
I don't think they where really being emotional at all.
I can’t believe this is an actual conversation 💀
Yep this is 2023. It’s insane 😂
45 seconds you can never get back.
@@JohnClark-qt3qx1,5 min because you typed this comment and probably 2 minutes before you found this comment
You're correct @@TheRunningCameraMan
I know, we actually have to debate if a human fetus is worthy of respect and value. It should be a given. Yet a nut case taped her abortion and says it makes her happy every time she watches it and that it was "a positive experience." People wear T-shirts shouting out their pride in having an abortion.
Isabel's argument here is worth respect and value! 🙌
It's drivel
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@@TheHuxleyAgnosticsure it is troll
Too true...beautiful logic.
@@GlobalBricks1 lol
The woman carrying the single cell organism also deserves respect, value and protection
Not all of them
You think a fetus is a single cell organism?
Of course! What respect, value and or protection are they not receiving?
I'm not surprised it's all men commenting lol . Go find all of these child predators that are praying on children. If you want to save the children, save the ones already here on earth. Go do something better with your time and leave women's issues to women.
@@gingerbeard9481 Hmmm let's see.. The risks of complication when giving birth, risks during pregnancy, the life-changing commitment to raising a child that she might not be ready or want for, the financial burden of raising a child... And if the mother should fail providing for her child, is that kid's life really that great after all? Or, if the act of giving birth is to make both the mother and the child's life miserable, isn't it better that she never brings that child into the world in the first place?
The “protection” ends as soon as the baby enters the foster care system
Did you know that Grass and stuff like that actually screams it’s just the pitch is so different than what we can hear we can’t hear it! 😮
this is the same as saying abortion should be legal bcz rape. reality is poor women don't have access to abortion in the first place. just rich chicks trying to justify murder.
@@uninspirational14how is that even related to any of this.
@@uninspirational14youre very smart
@@ozanozenir2503lol don’t even know just saying that They Say that “Grass does Feel Pain” But it actually does so what the heck are they gonna eat anything that is alive (Like Grass Plants or somethin” Feels pain so what are you going to eat exactly Meat and Veg. Not just Veg it’s not good for you to do that.
Before my pops left this earth for the other side. He always used to tell me, " the hardest thing in life for some people is to just be themselves." This becomes more apparent day by day.
Yes, and nobody can tell you how to do that.
A song came to mind: AJJ - Big Bird
@@Nowhy wow, I hope you're wrong. So you are saying since other groups of people don't like my group because I am black or Jewish or a different religion or follow a certain football team that if they won't to attack, injure or kill me then that is their right and nobody can tell them not to? Laws are made for a reason and they tell you what you can and can't do. You can't kill babies.
@@darellcanup681it’s not a baby in the womb. You can whine about it as much as you want, but it’s not a baby in the womb. If it is, then that much heat in the womb is dangerous and the baby should be taken out. Unless you’re happy with violence towards babies. :)
@@Anirudhji2001when does it become a baby? Honest question. I’m not calling u a baby killer or anything like that i just wondering when u start to think that person becomes a person. We can still abort babies after they would be capable of living outside the womb with medical treatment. Should we do away with incubators and stop trying to save babies who are born prematurely?
I’m all for pro life but that support shouldn’t stop as soon as they’re born, you should create communities around supporting the mothers.
We used to, entire families used to pitch in to supporting the kids, nowadays though, family ties and bonds dont seem to matter to people
@@joshuabohn9429mate I get what you’re saying but in my world I’m seeing good people and families being families. I’m 40 and I’d say where I live compared to when I was a kid family values and friendship seems stronger.
what world do you live in? if it's planet earth in 2023 then you must be living in africa or something.@@globeheating1684
This is my main issue with the whole thing. People want to preach pro life but there needs to be measures in place to help these women raise the babies or give them away. I feel like women sometimes don’t have any other option bc of money and their living situation.
Automatic boot straps for the new born no hand outs, no social safety net… Not even free lunch at schools lets gooooo pro life for the win😂. Honestly we are so fcked as a country I think its fine having a pro life stance but apply that to yourself, something as invasive as a pregnancy shouldn’t be forced on to someone. It comes with more social harm than just getting an abortion. Just imagine being born to a parent who didn’t want you and hold up resentment towards you, or someone who isn’t equipped financially to support a child. What kind of life that kids going to have? Whats the alternative foster care? Bunch of problems there too with abuse and neglect, an all round bad experience for a kid in that situation. End of the day these people dont care its just another way to control women to them and they love to get off to that.
Thank you for the stand that you take, and the courage to take that stand.❤
If life is so valuable why does our system not protect mothers and children and give them access to healthcare and safe and affordable places to live.
You mean why don't people embrace Leftist welfare programs? Putting politics aside, however, since I don't want to sidetrack from the main point - protecting & valuing human life - would you seriously argue that since not everyone has healthcare, nobody should have healthcare? Because you're actually arguing to NOT protect mother & child at the point in their lives when they're MOST vulnerable & needy.
You can't claim that moms & their children only deserve our protection & help sometimes, without being guilty of the hypocrisy you just suggested. So if you're for helping them have healthcare & affordable housing, you need to help them at ALL stages to be consistent
@LadyLee1982 how to say you're a clichéd product of Marxist academia without actually saying it, lol. Do tell us where your socialist utopia can be found, O entitled, I mean enlightened one
because Greed
If they're that poor they have access to medicaid and other avenues for help.
@@ThyMidnightShow I have a hard time believing this organisation has helped more women deal with their unwanted pregnancies than planned parenthood…
Its great to see a clip where no one is screaming over the speaker. This is how a conversation should go
When I see this clips I thinks of the horrible threats on her and family, massive protesters, some wanting her dead, boxes of hate mail, and then the stalkers. And here she is
No. A conversation should allow all parties to put forward their point of view, not just one party control it. Maybe the counterbalance to this (and there indeed is one) was simply edited out.
@@bohbroit usually is, makes the speaker appear “smarter”.
you can actually understand what is being said, very respectful. How a conversation or debate should be.
For me, it's really sad, that this type of girls and boys, who always talking about respect, don't respect anybody.
Because they've been brainwashed to be narcissists believing that they're special beyond all others
Yes and all inclusive if u agree only with them.....living in an echo chamber...
This! All talk but doesn’t respect anyone else
If this life was so valuable what have you done to prevent events like Sandy Hook Elementary School and massacred 6 adults and 20 children? Where’s your outrage over this? “Every year in the United States, almost 37,000 children die before their 18th birthday.” Maybe GOD is telling you, you can’t even take care of the little ones I give you so some will come directly to ME!
Correct: the human carrying the clump of cells deserves our undying respect
Well all humans are clumps of cells if you think about it. You’re just a bigger clump of cells than a fetus. And I think it’s the best type of mutual respect to value your right to do anything with your OWN body, while also valuing the unborn child’s life by not letting you kill it.
@ADMusic1999 if it can't survive outside the body it's not an independent life it's a clump of cells sorry
@@Raindropsundropgumdrop Says who? That’s like saying astronauts in spacesuits aren’t living beings because they can’t survive outside their suits. Or someone on life support isn’t living because they can’t survive without a machine. There’s a lot of situations where we can’t survive without help from others. That’s what hospitals are for. Doesn’t make us less human or unworthy of life. Don’t you guys believe in welfare? Leeching off the government - I guess they are clumps of cells too by your logic
@@Raindropsundropgumdrop Is survival outside a body the definition of life? Who says? Leave a newborn outside in the elements and it’ll day. Leave a kid alone for too long with no guidance and they’ll most likely get hurt or die. Honestly, if you leave the average modern adult out in the woods by themselves, they will most likely die. None of us are truly independent and the conveniences of modern society make us less and less independent every day. Heck, you rely on doctors and nurses to abort your child for doing nothing but simply relying on you.
Nobody said otherwise. Giving respect and value to one life doesn’t take away respect and value from another.
“A puppy deserves respect because it is separate from a human being.”🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Our country is done.
as in, the puppy isn't dependent on a human for life, unlike an embryo dipshit.
By that logic everything not human is worth more. They sound deprived of happiness in multiple levels
A puppy isn’t a fetus and a baby isn’t a fetus. These don’t connect at all and you can’t see it🤦🏻.
@degarri7995 A fetus is an unborn child after the stage of an embryo, up until birth. What do people give birth to? A baby. Where it is developing, inside or outside the womb, doesn't change what it is or it's value.
A 36 week old fetus inside the womb or if it has been prematurely born, is the same. A baby.
@@degarri7995a child isn’t a baby either… just because the fetus isn’t called “baby” doesn’t mean you get to kill it for fun.
The fact that this still needs to be explained in so much detail is beyond belief.
That's what happens when you let the patients run the insane asylum
It didn’t use to need to be explained but now days people have too much time to think and they start to question stuff that doesn’t need to be questioned
they know the truth. they just choose to deny and agitate
@@joshuatsai9668why this is majorly happening in USA?
It doesn't. They know the truth. But they grasp at straws and lies and so you have to trap them in their own lies in front of them for them to actually look at them.
At least they spoke respectfully and did not cut off each other's speaking.
A round of applause to this lady for this simply view of life of a human foetus.
Shouldn't even be brought up unless, we'll, guess you'll have to watch George Carlin's take on it but you won't
These people don't even realize they just made her case.
They all try to outsmart the other while contradicting themselfs 😂
Exactly!! It’s like they aren’t even hearing the words coming out of they’re own mouths!!
But that's assuming logic and reason are applicable. In their world, they are not. They are unprincipled. They say things like "my body my choice" but they don't mean them. Look at the v mandates, which they *all* support.
@@keyser456I’m sorry, when did the federal government force you to get a vaccine? Would the answer be never? That’s what I thought.
When it comes to abortion, if you think life starts at conception good for you. Do not FORCE the rest of us to share your beliefs.
@@ryant5447 Not sure what rock you've been living in but coercion was absolutely used to coerce people into getting these things against their will. Stop lying. Just stop. Look around. You're not fooling anybody.
I literally just learned about Isabel’s existence and I can’t get enough of her. This argument was beyond smart. I think she just changed my mind about abortion, seriously.
what’s her last name? i’ve never seen her before. i like what she says and would like to see what else she talks about.
At least there is one. Now we work on two.
@@bigbluematters6275Brown. Isabel Brown.
While I think you're on the right side of it. Nobody should be able to just change your mind about anything so fast or easily.
What is the reason that what she is saying was not clear for you from the start?
“The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others”.
So fetuses don't truly matter?
I love how that one fool had their comment deleted
"For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Jesus died for ALL because ALL need him and his sacrifice!"
@Reformed_ZoomerAmen. Repent and believe the gospel. Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life”. ❤
"Love your enemies." Also, I'm not sure a baby in the womb can respect you.
Wow. No one was yelling or trying to fight and argue, or interrupt and shout down the other person. Nice to see people engaging in calm and rational civil discourse
I like the fact that she acknowledges the importance of the conversation not only for her sake but that of the person she is talking too. It was a good way to prevent them from getting over excited and causing unnecessary stress.
I believe she was being sarcastic, but i could be wrong
she was being sarcastic saying the conversation is STUPID yet she has to have it
A fetus is not a human being until it is outside the womb.
@@OtherBrotherDaryl dude you were a fetus at one point it was still you quit playing 💀
@@OtherBrotherDaryldumb!
I find it bizarre that people so adamantly argue for the death of children.
The plaid twins have no moral standing whatsoever.
I wonder why they’re both wearing the same pattern of shirt…is it a club thing, or just between the 2 of them…?
I find it bizarre that you still keep using these arguments when they mean nothing
@@bulletanarchy Your comment is nothing without context!
@@carolynnunes3922 Tell me a pro life argument that means something if you want to prove I have no context.
@@bulletanarchylmao I love how you criticize his comment for being nothing while you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prove him wrong.....you literally posted a comment about nothing, crying about he has no argument 🤣🤣🤣 you're literally like a child
If they hate themselves for how they were born, they can't love.
Totally agreed.
But can you blame them for that?
@@let_me_explain8572yes. We’re responsible for our own actions and the way we represent ourselves and our views
Of course they hate themselves, look at them, unwanted women and bitter for it.
@@let_me_explain8572, not blaming, just explaining.
If wisdom was a person... Good thing I have met one. And wisdom never disappoints. She is to be adored.
We are not animals and should protect the baby inside and outside the womb. Our Moms chose to love and protect us in and outside their wombs. We were born to do the same. Blessings.
We are animals, and related to all other animals.
Write the same reason if you murder a pregnant woman there is two murder charges
@@billh2947not in every state. Dens devalued the pregnancy that it's only one murder in NY. They deliberately made that distinction in recent years.
We are animals too but I don't know ANY animal that tries to kill its babies while pregnant. It's biological for animals to want to pass down their genes, and even animal species that try to kill their children after they're born, it's because hunger won out but no animal species just kills its young because they don't want it. 🤷🏼♀️
@@19supersammie98lions do
The difference is with a human comes responsibility. They don’t want the responsibility, so they say it’s not worthy.
I assume this is a debate on abortion. The difference isnt that a human isnt worthy. Is your egg or sperm or embryo considered a human? If so, when a woman has a period, a potential child was not born, thus died, thus aborted. An embryo in a lab is the same thing. Each has a "potential" to be a human being. I assume we're all logical that a period is normal and women shouldnt be pregnant every 9 months to keep that egg alive. So then when do these start defining it a human? at conception some would argue. At 6 weeks, at 12 weeks etc. Is it pain, is it the heartbeat, which defines it? The answer to that varies per person. What is true however is that a fetus cant survive without its mother, but the mother has autonomy towards her own body. Once we've come up with a way to take the baby alive from the mother's womb whenever she doesnt want the baby and help it live, then abortion should be abolished. But we don't have that. The mom as an individual loses her rights to the baby which is wrong.
@@aj-sz8mu What a silly notion, a newly born baby is not independent either. No child on their own for quite a few years will survive without the presence of an adult.
So many 'guiltless' and 'wonderful' and 'pure' animals that are placed above humans risk their life and spend all of their energy into their offspring. We even see some animals go through what could be considered pain, suffering, and grief when they fail as parents and their offspring die.
Women aren't gaining rights by the right to choose, they are being stripped of the right to their motherhood; and for what? A job in where no one tells them that they are loved, and that they are wonderful? That they can't imagine what life would be like without them?
People have substituted children with virtue signaling and have convinced themselves that it's better than being a parent. They demand the love and respect that they expect from a child they don't have from an uncaring world, and get all angry when that uncaring world gives them nothing.
Never had a puppy huh?
you people are the only demo that doesn't want to take care of people. republicans are currently defunding school lunches. idiot.
Nah the difference life doesn’t begin in the womb you remember life and you don’t remember that
She changed what they actually said. She claimed they said the blade of grass was worthy but that's not at all what they said. I hate hate hate the dishonesty in these debates.
How did it significantly alter the point? Their answers were still affirming that there are hierarchies of value
@@domusardet4961the ending of her response doesn’t seem to be directed at them exactly.
It's so dumb, just two parties who lack any nuance in their world views arguing illogical solutions lmao.
@@domusardet4961yeah and they agree, they just place fetuses low on that hypothetical scale, this woman’s argument was made entirely in bad faith, it’s a good thing she’s pretty cause she’s anything but smart.
SO WHERE IS THE ALTERATION. She literally agreed that it is worth the respect.
I hate hate hate when people take things more important than human life
❤❤ you go girl! I’m so glad we have people like you in the world. Good job
She said it so calmly I felt like she was correcting me and we on the same side😂
LOL!!! My saliva uncontrollably flew out of my mouth after reading this! Thanks man!
thats because you don't listen to actual reason...but go off of feelings and vibes...like a true moron republican
One thing i have seen in common is that these students already have a fix mindset which leads them to not learn from others perspective... It's really important to also see from others perspective
That is an excellent observation. At college level a person should be seeking out other opinions and information. Students now seem to only want to argue their point and be open to other’s.
We understand your perspective, we just don't care. If abortion is against your religion or against your morals, fine, don't have them.
However, you have no right to stop everyone else on earth.
@@tabbyreed8925so you're saying that good has no right to stop evil? Who gave you these rights?
@@Rigorous_Storm It's only good to you, that's my point.
There are reasons for abortion beyond just not wanting a baby and they are good reasons.
Life of the mother, deformity, illnesses, anything that is worse than death basically. Why bring a child into the world you know will do nothing but suffer?
Don't go on about sometimes doctors are wrong, yadda-yadda, that happens very rarely.
@@tabbyreed8925sure, just like police have no right to stop a criminal from killing people right?
When you hate yourself, you project your hate onto others. When you lack confidence in yourself, you are easily swayed to join others and accept what they say and their opinions in order to feel accepted and liked. When you are confident, and love yourself, you don’t care what others “think” about you, as you know your self worth and no one can take it away from you!
Well shit I love myself but I still believe the government shouldn’t be able to tell you what you can and can’t do with your body
@@thatoneshortboi an unborn baby’s body, is not YOUR body. If we are going to protect human life, than we need to protect all human life.
I'm not sure how your comment relates to the topic.
If you're saying that many anti-abortiinists don't think for themselves but go with a bias they bpicknup from preachers, that's certainly true. Catholics in particular start with a conclusion - that aborting is wrong - and then if asked for reasons, come up with an argument. It is far better to listen to both sides and decide using critical thinking.
We all have biases, conscious or unconscious, from which it is very difficult to escape. We search for an argument that supports our presupposition and look for excuses to reject the opposing view. This can apply, in the case of abortion, to both pro and anti-abortionists.
@@john24110I need to preface this by saying although I’m pro abortion I still could never push myself to get one even if it was necessary. Now, I just think it’s strange that abortion is become more and more illegal across the US because people don’t like it and must now push their belief into a policy to push onto other people. Crazy to me
@@IrishPotato86 would you help increase regulation on assault weapons and machine guns? If your answer is no then you are not pro life you’re just simply anti abortion
A human being (as well as animals and organisms) is worthy of moral value! Just as if a woman decides to make a a choice of what to do with her pregnancy! HER CHOICE should Be RESPECTED
Everything you said was true. So are we talking about a woman’s choice to get a tattoo, plastic surgery, drink or smoke? No, I believe you’re referring to a woman’s supposed right to murder a child who just happens to be in her body. Alright, let me paint a picture.
Suppose you’re a homeowner and you say “my house is my choice.” So you say “I can do anything I want in my house: arrange furniture, paint the walls, change the locks, invite people inside to murder them, etc.” Ok, it is your house but one thing clearly shouldn’t make the list of things you can do just because it takes place in your house. You can’t kill people just because you own a house or have a body. People aren’t your property
It's so confusing to me that someone can define morality in the first sentence followed by killing a life in the next. If it's morally sound to do so, why the need to sugar coat killing your baby with calling it "woman's choice"
Also, if any mom or father has gone through this, I believe u can ask for forgiveness & be forgiven as well as forgive yourself.
@@AndreaonKCislandThe term of killing a living cell is intense, I know. But have y'all even considered the human bearing the cell? That cell can't feel pain, the woman can. Let women have a choice, pregnancy is hard enough...
I don't get why people aren't okay with them having a choice.
@@buttercakiesGod has only used your mother's womb to bring you to life. Because, that is how God plans the system of HUMAN AND ANIMALS REPRODUCTION.
But you were not a part of your mother's body when you were in her womb. The only thing that was connected to you, with your mother, was the OMBILICAL CODE. IF it happened that your mother had passed away while you were in her womb, you were able to survive at 12 to 20 months old out of her womb.
If you were a part of her body you would automatically die with her like the other organs that compose her body.
But, you survived
Because, You are absolutely another separate person, you are not a part of her body. Therefore she doesn't have the Legal Right to kill her unborn baby, like any other kids of her.😂
She can commit her SIN in secret if she wants to, like some of them used to do before. But, she doesn't have to ask for the Law of the Land and the public to join her, to give her permission to assassinate a PRECIOUS INNOCENT UNBORN BABY!
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EVEN IN THE PAGAN COUNTRIES THOSE KINDS OF BARBARIC CRIME DON'T ALLOW TO EVEN DISCUSS IN PUBLIC IN THEIR SOCIETY!!!😂
@@buttercakiesthey had a choice not to become pregnant in the first place. Now it’s a consequence.
of course all life has value, but the issue is that people value the life of a fetus more than the woman carrying it. also, children deserve to be born to parents who truly want them
Would you keep your legs closed to avoid termination?
Children deserve to be born and have a chance. We don't get to kill baby's because the mom didn't just didn't want it. The mom already chose to creat that baby and now doesn't want to take responsibility and raise it. Just because we are trying to stop the mass slaughter of millions of babies doesn't mean we should also be responsible for the entire life of everyone.
Give an example of that, I see people say that all the time but I don't see how that's true
So you believe a fetus having the right to not be killed is it having more rights than its mother? And you believe a foetus should not have more rights than its mother? So you would be for legal killing of a 8month old foetus?
@@billhester8821what if someone forces your legs open? Is pregnancy through rape still part of your statement?
We all value plants, but if your forced to choose between a blade of grass & your dog, everybody is picking the dog, you can't measure the life of an 2 week embryo and compare it to that of a sentient human being who has an experience of consciousness
So you support killing people in comas knowing they will wake up in 9 months? Or if having had experience in the past matter then why? Someone who was born unconscious and lived for 10 years on life support; but now in 9 months doctors can wake them up, you think its okay to kill them.
I completely agree
Wow... Think about how you're qualifying human value there, my dude. Because you're kinda sounding a little Eugenics-y. Yikes. 😬
Dogs taste better, who chooses grass?
What's the scenario context of choosing grown human being to an embryo?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Mark Twain
Bro said that a fish is comparable to the blade of grass which is comparable to a fetus bro what 💀
It's almost like he had met Trump.
These two ‘loggers’ are beyond stupid, honey……and she didn’t get pulled down to their 1 brain cell level. They are just two ‘loggers’ that share a brain cell.
@@fakumadda1632awww.
TDS is treatable.
@@fakumadda1632please make sense! It's not very hard to do
This lady is wise, brave and beautiful!!!
The worst enemy of a human is another human
I've been saying this for a long time now. We need cities that house only high IQ people.
So far.
Human is the mist destructive living in the planet and the problem is goverment because these 2 kids in black and red shirt they need help medication mental help support they need to get lockdown they are dangerous for the planet how can they walk free in the street whit our kids 😢😢
Some of the most intelligent people ever to walk earth were very hard to get along with , or were so influential that they became emperors and kings. Think about it, they are so influential that people WILLINGLY do their will. BUT , only great leaders can go the distance. There are also intelligent but greedy arrongant dense leaders that hold up the fascade for a couple years and then people start noticing that these supposed “leaders” are really parasites feeding off society by intelligent but deceptive tactics.
No, it's Satan who uses humans against each other
As someone who was born with a genetic condition, abortion needs to stay legal since some abortions are in the best interests of the mother or the foetus. If it’s going to be illegal it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, it just going to be done illegally which can be deadly to the mother!
If it stayed as "abort only for extreme circumstances," you could probably get enough support behind it to really make it legal. Unfortunately, that's not what most women are arguing for. They want "choice." Extreme circumstances involve either very little or no choice (you either lose one life or two). "I choose not to be pregnant" is something you should think about before doing the actions that create life, not to mention that there are already morning after pills that are relatively easy to obtain. A society that would allow such callousness as ending life because it inconveniences someone is a society that won't last long. History has had many civilizations and empires that turned to killing babies for various reasons, and none of them are around anymore.
@@shawnheidingsfelder8179that also comes with the point of actually teaching kids of keeping their legs closed before marriage, to not cheat, and the dangers of the actions.
After all that, it’s now more focused on whether abortion is good or not. Be it that the fetus is human life or in the chance to scare them into not doing it.
Either way, making it illegal is sadly not going to stop them from aborting the fetus themselves.
There is also the chance of not knowing/denial to know you were pregnant until it’s too late. Both adults and teens have similar (that want the baby/calm about it happening) to drastically different actions in that situation to get rid of it after birth.
So you’ll kill the baby or die trying ?😭😭
Yep. I've brought this point up to people. Either you legalize it or there's gonna be a lot more illegal abortions. Or in the case of a good where I live people will just keep the pregnancy a secret, drink enough to cause a miscarriage and claim they had no idea they were pregnant. And that carries risk of damage to the fetus if it doesn't miscarry or might even kill the Mom.
It's no different than trying to put people in prison for drugs. You're never gonna stop people from doing them. You're better off just regulating it.
Literally 1% of abortions are to save a mother.
“I respect the fetus, but I respect someone with human experience more”
-some random guy i saw
I’m just adding, I’m pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I feel as if women should at least get the choice to get rid of a fetus before it becomes too late. I’m just saying this quote because just imagine what a mother who could have been raped, sexually assaulted, or impregnated without consent. Imagine how hard it would be for both her and her baby if she gave birth. There’s already too many kids in foster care and adoption centers. I was adopted myself. But I’m seriously questioning why pro-life folks really think that they should get to have an opinion that could very much change an entire life because of their morals.
I think therefore I am. If you apply the logic that ”that group of cell had the potential for life if you didn’t interfere” then Ejaculation is murder for the sake of pleasure because you had no right to expel all those cells who could have had potential for life if you just tried and got laid instead
@@THEFRENDLYCOW that is genuinely such a good point
@@THEFRENDLYCOW But sperm do not have the potential to create life if you do not interfere. Furthermore, they lose fertility as time passes and the human body naturally expels them when we sleep even without masturbation...
@@THEFRENDLYCOW It’s about life beginning at conception. So if you’re using some sort of contraceptive or birth control to prevent getting pregnant, you’re preventing having to get an abortion of a baby you don’t want. But when you don’t take the steps to prevent conception and conceive a baby and then abort it, that’s when it becomes the topic that they’re talking about here.
@@theyoutubeguide1109 you’re talking about a completely different thing when you say ”life”. Cells automatically developing is similar to your sperm automatically swimming to the egg, each one a equal opportunity to be an individual person if not interfered with. When there’s some level brain activity we cannot see if this person is conscious or not yet, but when there’s no brain activity we can say this is a person that has, and will now never be conscious therefore never thinking so never being.
You are the best good woman fighting for a child's life. God bless you.
The fact that she thought she ate with "yes, because it is separate from a human being." That statement within itself was just so evil.
Right?! 😳😳
I got a funny chill from that. Like there was more to that statement that meets the eye and it’s within her. A darkness…
A puppy has value because it's not a human being is what she really meant. 😑
Probably she identifies as a puppy that's why she's inclined towards her own species 😂😂
@@mysticjen379its demonic. It seems that people that dont gave The Holy Spirit are often possessed in some sort of way
People need to realize the difference between being alive, and life.
Microorganisms are alive, some would argue they have life, but nobody is going around fighting for the rights of microorganisms.
But do microorganisms grow up to be an infant, baby, toddler, kid, pre-teen, teen, adult, parent?
@@brianstrutter1501 no, they grow to be what they are, and then they die, just like us.
@brianstrutter1501 you can go as far back as you like, you have to arbitrarily draw a line and it so happens that a sperms and an egg meeting is convenient enough.
But then we would have the problem of defining exactly when being alive starts as opposed to "just being life". WHEN ARE FETUSES ALIVE??
@@pneumaniac14only convenient if you want to downplay the value of life of a living human being known as a pregnant woman. Abortion bans state that, not only are pregnant woman undeserving of the same rights as all other people in the US (since they do not have the right to self-preservation, the right to decide what medical procedures they will undergo, the right to ownership of their own bodies, etc...all rights other human beings have) while simultaneously placing their rights beneath that of cellular life. It is the dehumanization of pregnant women.
she proved the opponents point, saying there is different types of life makes pro choice make more sense, the unborn human is not at the same moral hierarchy as the born human
Right!
no, much higher, because unlike a born human, a fetus isn't full of shit.
It's only a different level if you decide that. I certainly haven't decided that.
Exactly. Nice catch!
@@ponderrous2659 What is the moral weight of a single fertized egg? How about with one brain cell. How about with a single pain receptor. How about with a beating heart?
She told it like it is! So much respect for her as a fetus is a living being, yet some think a blade of grass is more important.
She pointed out the truth to make people think. God Bless ger as she soeaks the truth! ❤ 👶
Her communication skills are on point , from her demeanor to articulation it’s just flawless
That's the way I saw it...
@gurug1161 I think their argument would be "As long as a human has a heartbeat, we should help use resources to keep that heart beating even if the brain has flatlined, and shows no signs of recovering."
@gurug1161 you can if you want to be a cannibal.
If we found an alien species that could use tools and clearly had experiences like ours, and hopes and dreams, would it not being human dna make you think it's not worth the same as human life?
It's not about being human. Once something has a conscious experience you have to have a good reason that outweighs their rights to end that experience.
A fetus does not have a conscious experience until 20-24 weeks at the earliest.
Nope😂😂
As I grow older I come to realize. A woman with education and the ability to articulate wise conversations is more attractive than any model
Absolutely.
yes cause that is the rarest of them all.
Yea because there’s probably more models than the women you just described.
YOOOO ARE YOU MORTALS REALLY THAT DUMB...THE WHOLE CONVERSATION IS UTTER NONSENSE
It’s the most attractive thing ever. Automatic 10 when a woman can carry herself like this and shares my morals and values.
She walked them right into that checkmate without them realizing it was happening. Well done
Which is important that if a person happens to be on the receiving end of such questioning, to put a stop to it and refuse to play the game...
"Get to the point."
"I'm trying."
"You can get there faster, I'm not playing 20 questions."
"If you just give me time, I can-"
"This isn't a game. Please get to the point."
I don't think he or she realize anything
Negative
It's not really a checkmate though. Her opponents are just not bright enough to see the flaws in her logic.
@@sipjedekat8525what flaws were in her logic?
She speaks the truth!
Bravo 👏
that was the most respectful and educational slap down ever handed
A fetus is totally separate from the woman.
I agree.
Logically, she is still losing the argument.
The fetus is in an environment where the female body is taking actions to kill the fetus. This process assures that healthy children are born.
Only the woman gets to decide. In nature, things occur that is gruesome. What humans do is above nature. YET, we still need to accept nature. Life and DEATH is part of this cycle.
She’s wrong tho, people don’t value just life, we already justify killing animals, humans value sophisticated consciousness and consciousness in general, an early fetus doesn’t have consciousness so killing it is not literal murder before 24 weeks
I can smell the reddit on this comment
I would have delved into the respondents first answer: “Yes, because it is separate from a human being.” Peculiar
100%. Says a lot
Yeah that’s where I get stuck too. I don’t hear the rest. I’m still trying to figure out what that means.
@@chrisdailey102what I'm assuming was meant is that a puppy doesn't rely on human organs to survive, but a fetus does. a fetus cannot survive if you separate it from the womb, it therefore relies on another person's body to continue living (whereas a puppy is a separate from a human being, it's doing its own thing regardless of us). because fetuses do not possess bodily autonomy, and according to certain views, because it has no autonomy it has no right to exist without the permission of whoever is carrying it (the mother)... the same way the government cannot donate your organs to those in need -- even after you've died -- without your permission, pro-choicers argue this logic should also apply to pregnancies
Not at all. Each one of her examples refers to independent organisms, not parts of a human body.
@@zydnax its fair to assume because she wasn't clear, but what I assumed was meant and likely what those above assumed also was she was saying "human lives don't have value but dog lives do".
The interesting thing is that a growing organism cannot live on its own, it is not it’s own separate being. It does not have a higher value than the person growing it. We cannot prioritize some lives over others, and being put into an overcrowded, unsafe foster care system is not what a life deserves
Not to mention there's like 410,000 child in the United States that are in foster care. That's not including the kids on the streets or the rest of the world. There's also 8 billion people already on the planet and they people to have more? I don't wanna hear them complain about over population and food shortages then.
But what if the child wants to live. Is killing a fetus because it might end up in foster care the same as killing a child because they are in foster care? Is living in any way not better than being dead? I think people see abortion as getting rid of something that was never living but studies have shown that fetuses have sentience well before they are born. When you abort a child you are throwing away a SENTIENT human being with thoughts and emotions. It’s no different than if you killed it after it was born.
@@AcAwesomeAndrew I could not have said it better. Abortion advocates point out these consequences, but when you point out that killing a child in foster care so they won't have to suffer is the same thing as killing a child so they don't have to go into foster care and suffer.
@@AcAwesomeAndrewYou have zero clue what sentient means clearly. A fetus has zero ability to perceive and have consciousness of any sensations including pain since their brains aren’t even clicked to the on stage yet. The only part of abortion I don’t support is anything past 5 months and the fetuses are still unconscious half made beings. Sentient is a dog not a lump of cells barely developed that can’t act on a single action or think a single thing.
@@AcAwesomeAndrewa fetus can’t taste, hear, feel,smell or even fkin see until very late into the stage. You woosy no brainers have such little critical thinking and common sense it’s disgusting you can make decisions for our country
I love actual intellectual conversations. I am pro choice, but I can understand her reasoning for being pro life. Her point was clear and well made. It sucks that the pro choice people didn’t have a chance to explain in this video. I’ve noticed many pro choice people are looking at it from a medical standpoint while pro lifers are looking at it from a religious and personal moral standpoint.
These two plaid maniacs 😂😂😂😂😂
Straight 🤡🤡s they are 😂
I just said that! It's so cute that they dressed like twins! 😂😂😂😂
one of them needs a bra
Because insulting someone who disagrees with you based on their looks really drives home how mature and logic your opinion is. 🙄🙄
@@tabathaalshalhoub1653 womp womp
Speaking as a black man in America, Thank you my sister, for keeping it real. Teach one , Each one. No jive.
I'm with you brother.
The sooner we stop the "as a (insert color/ race) man/ woman/ person" the better off we will all be.
A black man from where? 1975? That was the whitest comment I've heard. Stop playin'
This is FOR SURE a bot comment. No real African American talks like this anymore. lmao
@@prismo6621 Seriously? What if I said no white/European-descended, native, Indian, Arab, etc. American can speak in full sentences or use grammar?
It would be inherently wrong. I am African American myself (second-generation) and I can use grammar just fine. On the Internet, however, it makes it easier to use simplifications as long as people know what you're referring to: known as slang.
Also, to people who would say that an unborn child is a parasite, that is medically incorrect. The unborn child actually helps boost the immune system of the mother. Since both beings (mother and child) are getting something out of the relationship, that is defined as a symbiotic relationship, rather than a parasitical one.
Nice try, but no. Babies often kill their hosts (mothers).
Often is an exception. Just because that fits your narrative it doesn’t make it true-
@@dat2rayou are saying a blatant lie and a very stupid one at that
Parasites are not of the same species as the host, so that means that an unborn baby is not a parasite.
@@dat2raI'll take "things that are not true" for $1,000, Alex.
Bravo young lady you have rejuvenated my faith in young people keep speaking the truth just maybe with a person like you, you can change the minds of the young who only see one side of a story thank you
You know my partner had an abortion before i met her , she was genuinely raped , first time meeting this guy, forced upon her she definitely didn't want to have his baby thats for sure. Shes pregnant with mine now and it wasnt planned but she's keeping it. Yes , we should respect human life , when it's intended and in a loving environment. Nobody should be forced to have a rapists baby against their will.
So its ok kill the baby? Lesser evil in this case is clear.
agree with this completley people who are against abortion dont see this and never will get this through their head by having a rapists child theyre bringing that kid to life only to give it up and later that kid will resent all life its better to not have it than to bring it to the world to suffer knowing that they were a product of a rapist theres no way i would do that to a child if i were in the situation id rather abort it
I understand and respect your opinion as this is obviously a sensitive subject. My opinion is that unless the child being born would cause the mother to die, I still think it would be better for the child to be born.
@clerpington_the_fifth right, because that's all supposed "pro lifers" care about. That the baby is born. You don't care for the woman who has to risk her life with a pregnancy for 9 months. You don't care for the woman's who's life will be in danger when she goes into labor. You don't care for the woman who will have to raise her rapist's child. You don't even bother to care for the kind of life that child is going to be subject to. As long as that woman is forced to give birth to the baby, everything is peachy in your world.
What makes you think this?
I’m adopted and so grateful that my birth mother loved me enough to give me up and my mother loved me enough to take me. So many couples cannot have children and are waiting years for adoption. They would happily take in a child who’ mother can’t raise for whatever reasons.
Did you go through the adoption fog? And not every child in the system gets the adoption nirvana. High rate of suicide in adopted children.
How old were you when you were adopted if you don't mind sharing. Because some adopted kids aren't as lucky as I'm sure you know. They get thrown in the system and dont make it out until they're 18 or become stuck with people that just take them in for the money and get abused in many different ways. There are people out there who want/would adopt a child but people mostly look for babies and not older children. Finding someone willing to take a teenager is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Your mother loved you and that’s one who adopted you not one who abandoned you
And i would argue that it shouldnt be taken away just because we all have different beliefs some might e religious some might be a morality to others but if we take this choice away it will make people seek out unsafe and even deadly options.history is truly repeating itself.and i will reiterate this by saying just because you dont believe in it personally doesnt mean you take the choice of choosing to keep said fetus or the choice of choosing to not keep said fetus.again this will just lead to more deaths and people will seek out unsafe options
@@HMStar10 You don't know the circumstances of this situation.
It’s illegal to kill an eagle egg even if it has not hatched into an eagle.
That is due to Conservation not Rights.
Eagles are endangered, so every egg is protected I order to allow the species to exhist.
Human beings are not endangered, do not have a place on any endangered list so are not protected via the same laws or rules that a Eagles egg is.
@njmj2373 um killing a child isn't a right. What a stupid comment. And in the US we are below replacement rate
@@njmj2373 and we acknowledge the science that the egg will be an eagle if we don’t kill it.
@@PhillipPayne-ue8ui so you approve of rape victims being forced to bear their attacker's child? Even if that victim is a child themselves? You don't care about the victim's life or their forced pregnancy.
@@njmj2373 yes but we also acknowledge the science that an eagle egg is in fact just as valuable as an eagle
She laid that out beautifully
It's like trying to argue about human life with a stubborn toddler
Even a stubborn toddler has more respect for life then these plaid twins.
And I'm sitting with my stubborn toddler right now as he hugs my pregnant belly saying "sister, baby" and kissing my belly. ❤❤
I thought they were two 12yr old boys at first, and in here lies the problem
@@ladyofnoxus6733what about the people that can’t love kids the way you do. What about the kids that have to grow up in foster care or adoption because their mother had to give them up. You care more about keeping it alive than what actually happens to the unwanted child after it’s born.
If mothers had the choice that stuff wouldn’t be as prevalent.
@krisbailey8537 sorry no matter what, a chance at life is always better than thay chance being selfishly stolen. Those are murders who abort their children due to selfish reasons.
Having a hard life is better than being killed in the one place you are supposed to be safe.
Growing into an adult is better than again being snuffed from the earth.
@krisbailey8537 I care about life. And everyone deserves a chance at it. You rather murder a life then cry moral high ground with BLM and all that nonsense. Go cry a river.
As a pet owner that loves the puppy I think everything that has life deserves respect ❤
But are you vegan? Puppies taste good in Cambodia
@@thrillhouse4784 I’m not vegan! But I won’t eat a dog lol
@@thrillhouse4784do they Eat puppies?
Why not wait till there grown and get more meat out of the animal?
and value!
My brother once in his missionary work was served puppy dog stew. He knew the puppy... But once he got past that point, the stew was delicious.
You can’t get someone who hates themselves to love others.
Yes you can, in fact a lot of cases most people love and care about others in spite of their hatred of themselves
@@adammaine1313 In a world filled with violence and hatred, there’s always that one person that sees nothing but unicorns and rainbows. Wake up dude.
@@jumpman2680 I definitely don't see rainbows and unicorns, I understand that some people wanna make other people's lives better because they don't want people to feel the way that they do, that's hardly rainbows and unicorns
@@jumpman2680 also, even if I was the one to see rainbows and unicorns, what's wrong with not drowning myself in the tragedy of the world??
@@adammaine1313nope.
i think everthing is worthy of respect and support
That girl did an intellectual KO on those lumberjacks.
Not really
yeah, not really - the lumberjack siblings had a much better argument
Not really, hence why there are about 400,000 children in American foster care. Pro-birthers care for fetuses until they are born, pro-choicers care about the kids we already have and will have in the future. Huge difference.
@@thejudge3658Interesting argument when the amount of pro-choicers asked if they have fostered or adopted don’t seem to differ much from the assumed view of pro-lifers.🤔
@@thejudge3658 The best part is they then rail off on the absent father stereo types. If they weren't so high an mighty they would adopt them no question.
Life only holds as much value as you place in it. I care more about my dog than I would ever care for someone who I have never met and may never meet.
I value a dog that I have personal attachments to over a human that I have personal attachments to. Dog backwards is God, Dogs were sent by God. Dogs are at the top of the hierarchy. No debate.
@@Strouddsconsidering I like animals better than most people, I’ll agree to that
Keeping your calm in an argument is a powerful tool
WOOOOOOW!!!!! so good way to say this MOST IMPORTANT issue
These lads are very clear about what’s life & what isn’t.
I take it you’re a vegan?
There’s one lad with top bollox so I’m going with that one being a girl ( . )( . )
You can tell the second person there is like "Puppy yeah! Grass... hold on. Shit on Mars? Wait no"
Don't kill bacteria, don't eat antibiotics, don't let your immune system fight, because bacteria is a life too.
This was so bad your grandma ashamed of that
@@inFAIMous03 not really, is bacteria not life?
@@inFAIMous03
Can't even write proper English
Edit: I'm ashamed of your comment...
Bacteria life matters 🥹✊🏽
@@MakeAsylumsGre4tAgain
All lives matter...
Wait
Don't cancel me
You can tell who just wants to argue and has attitude from the beginning. Some people aren’t there to learn or understand the other side, rather they just want to fight and disrespect
My exgf tried to make the argument that the life of a fly and the life of a human are the same thing. That killing a fly is like killing a human. Then I tried to make the argument of moral hierarchies, as this young lady does, but then she called me a white supremacist and colonialist for thinking that. To say one thing is better than the other inherently is colonialist in her view.
You dodged a bullet
Good she's exgf
“White supremacist and colonialist” she went to race but with the ignorance that a black African could be just as opposed to abortion on moral grounds as a white American
So how does she eat?
She has been indoctrinated and needs reprogramming.
These kids have so much to learn. When someone asks you questions, it means they're setting up a trap.
That's why you have to learn to have a logical answer for everything.
It won't work if you are logically sound and the trap is not malicious or if you call out the malice in the trap itself(fallacies and such).
Lmao, what a cynical take on the world. How are you so fragile that you think being asked a question is a trap.
Snowflakes all over the place, god damn.
Have some self respect and personal accountability and be a useful member of society. You got a long way to go, kiddo.
The conservatives uses that technique all the time, simple yes or no questions, followed by an agreement. The audience then forget quicly that they didn't agree on the original statement, or being on a totaly different context. They could of won the argument using her "hiarechy" point in their favor, a mother is ranked above a fertilized eggs. Even though a fertilized egg is above a blade of grass. People forget in a debate that you have to use their own logic against them if that is what they are doing with you.
@@Gabriel-hs3yn a fertilized egg is also the same as a developing human baby
Saddest part in the world is that people will cherish a pet but don’t care about people
I do but Im also not going around and impregnating Bish's so idk
dogs are better than humans, so...
Pets can't start amass genocide
I agree and disagree with this statement as a pet owner. Sometimes the disappointment in people is so strong that you can’t help but love your animal more.
@@lambda3553 and are more loyal than most people, also they let you pet them
King Alexander said when he was about to die that I want all my possessions to be placed outside because i want people to know that no matter how much wealth you own that it cannot be taken into the after life . Then he ordered that the finest doctors hold up the casket to show the people that no matter how many years of healing and research theyve done I want the people to know that no one can stop someone from dying .
I love how she uses the logic and comes full circle to prove her point. Bravo that was awesome!!!!
There is no cure for wilful stupidity and there is no end to pure wisdom and understanding.
There's no such thing as pure wisdom and understanding.
And thats the reason why underaged girls are supposed to carry their unwanted babies? Having their teenage boyfriends commit #*uicide because they are forced to throw away their youth to raise a child they didn’t want? Girls that are r#*e victims of their own family or some predator, forced to have that child? Like it or not, the society we live in today is a society of domesticated life, where we have to concider every individuals situation to avoid them being caused harm. Religious or not, beliefs of ones future life, its more important to concider a person, than their unborn fetus
@@thewrathofdumbledore4867As to the first scenario, it was 100% their choice and own stupidity and no one else's so yes, they would be facing the consequences. The same way people who drink and drive don't get a pass just because they're young and stupid. Actions will have consequences. Rape victims make up less than 1% of abortions and they could be exceptions since unlike the other 99% of the time, it wasn't their fault. There's also giving your baby up for adoption.
If you call any side stupid it shows your lack of intelligence and emotional intelligence if you can’t at all or won’t try to see anyone else’s side shows your lack of everything good
@@thewrathofdumbledore4867first off there are too many teenagers having sex and very much unprotected most of the time. So yes it is there own stupidity if they didn't want a kid then they shouldn't have been silly and wrapped their willy.
"Gotcha bitch." - Dave Chappelle
Eh. She just forced her viewpoint onto the crowd. There was no timing to it just a prepared "gotcha". It would have worked if the other lady hadn't specifically said she doesn't value grass or fish in the ocean. To then use her prepared "gotcha" is corny and shows us that the speaker is a puppet
I get what you both are saying. Thank you for sharing
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556they were both sharing their view points... where those view points shared relevance differed... They both had preplanned talking points
So I find your point moot
@@otisjenkinsjr.3556what?! those people chose to be there
I’d argue life on mars is worth more than a human life