Always go on the side of caution. Look no further than the Leafs who signed Clarkson after a good season, and Jason Blake after a 40 goal season. Ottawa did the right thing
especially in this time, as sad as it is for this years UFAs and RFAs, you don't want to give a lot of money just to keep a guy like Duclair for seasons we don't even know how they gonna look like, that makes no sense
Yea he was really hot for a period of time and scoring crazy, but Brandon Pirri did the same thing for Vegas and then dropped off. I think he deserved a 1 year deal to prove he isn’t a fluke like VGK did with Karlsson
So I just want to say this. While the story that Tortorella wanted Duclair gone is what the major outlets tend to report about the situation, it's absolutely NOT the truth. That's not how that went down at all according to Tortorella and what he told me personally. I happened to meet John Tortorella at a veterinary conference the next morning on Sunday. In typical Tortorella style he leaked many things including that Panarin and Bobrovsky would be retained for the playoff run, but the organization had given up hope of re-signing them. I asked him personally about the Duclair trade and he intimidated that he had nothing to do with it, and that he didn't agree with it. Tortorella saw Duclair as a project and as a guy he could turn into a true star if given enough time, and around 12 hours after the trade occurred he told me and several others that he felt that he (Tortorella) had lost that chance to help Duclair. Tortorella ended his statement on the matter saying that he hoped Duclair would get a better opportunity with more playing time and less competition in Ottawa. What Tortorella told me that day was echoed in reports from local sources and news media that Tortorella tore through the locker room after being told of the trade, trying to catch Duclair before he left. Local friends of some of the team said that the players had confirmed that this happened. The trade shocked Tortorella. After talking, Duclair left Tortorella one of his sticks as a parting gift; beat journalists reported (with pictures) that Tortorella used the stick at practice for the remainder of the season. I don't usually make declarative statements, and I am unlikely to do so on this channel again. But this is the rare occasion I do actually have direct knowledge on a situation. This was something I got candid information on, directly from the source, right after it happened. As for the trade from the front office perspective. If you ask around some of the player haunts near Nationwide Arena, the local story is that Dzingel was acquired because of his friendship with Duchene and his time at Ohio State. The front office at the time believed that by getting Dzingel, if he and Duchene could continue their Ottawa chemistry, it would be much easier to convince Dzingel to re-sign with a competitive team in a city he had called home for several years. With Dzingel in the fold, it would make it much more plausible to keep Duchene. The two of them could then fill the organizational holes in the top-6. This of course backfired as Dzingel cratered and then clashed with Tortorella and teammates. Ironically Duchene wound up loving Columbus all on his own and started to gel with the team and considers many of them to be true friends. However Columbus was unwilling to match Nashville's $56m offer (because they would also lose another 1st round pick) and Duchene wound up leaving too.
Part of Tortorella's statement, as verbatim as I could record it that day: Tortorella: "That [Duclair Trade] was hard for me last night, you never want to lose a guy out of the room like that." Audience Member: "It broke my heart!" Tortorella: "It broke mine too. He was working so hard those last few games, I'll miss him. I really want him to go far."
@@barkovisthegoat5822 Yeah, both of them will be perfect for Duclair. Buth then begs the question, who else will play on that line? In a way, Hörnqvist would be a good fit.
Any chance you can do a video of Jared Staal the forgotten brother? I do wonder why no team decided to try him as a defenceman. 6'4" solid guy could've been a beast on the blue line.
Duke's stellar skating and under-rated shot are keeping his chances alive, but how much longer can a player have to prove themselves? There has to be something beneath the surface here, behind closed doors that we're not privy to. It really hurts as a fan when you've been following him since junior days in the Remparts.
Im a fan of Duclair, I always thought he'd be a second liner, looking more like a third liner these days, which is still good. Most teams could use him in their top 9.
yeah, the problem is, when he is stuggling offensively, he hasnt really been defensively solid. He is a player that if he could give you a consistent 20-25 goals and 40-50 points. it would be fine, but if he keeps stuggling and hitting these long dryspells that he has been previously, he might be too much of a liability for a top 6 role, but also too good for a bottom 6 or top 9. He needs to find consistensy and he will find himself on a team as a solid second liner. thats what i think his potential is at least.
Good analysis. Despite the comments that pop out about sens fans thinking Dorion dropped the ball, the vast majority of us are fine with what happened. We wanted to see if he could achieve some kind of scoring consistency, as did the sens management and they offered him several years at over 4 mil. He wanted 5+ over longer term. No meeting of minds there and he was trying to extort the team and the cap space. He could have gotten this same deal 1.7, or up to 4 with Ottawa and stuck his nose up at it. He'll regret it and we'll be just fine with who we already have.
You've really taken Duclair and Tortorella's relationship out of its context. Both have been very clear that they have a good relationship. Torts has even said that he really likes Duke. Duke came to Columbus to work on his game under Torts. Torts loved that and said he was sad to see him go at the trade deadline. Was it a great fit there? No, and it probably wouldn't work long-term in Torts' system, but there's no animosity there.
Might sound weird but i agree with Sens letting him go, i also agree with Panthers picking him up. 1 year deal = no risk. Put him on the 3rd or 4th line, and let him play his game (Yeah, Torts would never agree with this). And i think he could be a 20 goals, 35 points guy.
with the Raiders in Vegas now and the VGK on the other side of Cinderella's midnight with their cap issues. It might be interesting if they start accumulating the Anthony Duclair's of the league. These players with a lot of talent, but have restricted themselves to less money because they won't play by the rules (A coach's nightmare). Josh Ho-Sang is another guy that nobody really wants to invest in. Jonathan Marchessault could be their underground king.
I'm torn, much like with say Max Afinogenov, Lad Nagy. You see greatness now and then but it's not over a longer period of time. Regardless, very solid deal for Fla.
Amazing pick up by the Panthers. But I fear that he will not be able to recapture the great play that he had in Ottawa. He was like... a fan favourite, and likely would have remained a rising star there for at least a few more years.
As a Panthers fan, this seems like another great low-risk, high-reward signing for Zito. If he can live up to his potential and some of the younger guys (Tippet and Denisenko) can step up, I think we can have some success. Trying not to get my hopes up too high though... these are the Panthers we're talking about here.
@@jarradk174 Duclair was offered a contract worth 3 million a season, so I’ve heard. He dropped his agent during a pandemic with salary cuts going on league wide. He’s on his sixth team in 7 years. Either no loyalty or not bright. He’s not what a rebuilding team wants in locker room. Nice smile though.
Wonder if he contacted the Panthers or if the Panthers contacted him about signing? I'm guessing he gets moved at the trade deadline also for draft picks
Panthers gave to stop over paying. But he is good but he needs stability. 3rd maybe 2nd liner but def great for a 3rd line scoring line. Perfect fit for the cats but idk about that price... not like he gunna replace Hoffman by any means. Strange.
I was always jealous that New York had drafted him, but after his stint in Chicago. I was completely wrong about him. He’s a top 9 at best on most teams around the league. Top 6 on garbage teams.
This guy isn’t even that bad, especially for a third round pick. He gets so much hate for no reason. (Oh wait I think I may know one) players like this shuffle around all the time in other sports.
Was hoping he would be willing to take a 1 year "prove it" deal with the Blues after Steen retired. Oh well. Money for Dunn and another player possibly
Some team out there should be happy due to the flat cap. Had there been no covid. Guarantee some GM would would given him 4x4 or 5x5, and they would’ve regretted that contract within the first year of it. And yes, it was a mirage.
The most thorough analysis I've seen on this. I think the Sens still booted the ball though. Here's why. If they give him a QO, they don't have to elect arbitration, they can make DuClair do it. If that's the case, then OTT can choose only 1 yr if they want. OTT had the cap space for one year. Plus, if he signs anywhere else at 1.7, they'll get a 3RDP as compensation. To me, this just shows that OTT is cheap franchise. It's only a 1 yr deal. DuClair also did the right thing b/c he got a raise. Now, did he do the right thing to begin with by firing his agent?
as a sens fan, I really dont see it with duclair. Other than some highlight reels plays like every second game he's just a speedy, bad defender. was super cold after the all star break
Duclair is a guy who makes up for his defensive shortcomings with his offensive skills. Since he's streaky, he can go through periods where he's a liability. I would have taken him to arbitration and kept him for the one year contract the arbitrator would have given him.
Pretty much. To be fair losing Duke can bite us in the ass. But, Dadonov is a proven 30 Goal guy and should mesh very nicely on the 1st line with Tkachuk.
@@tjvriesenga5504 he's scored 30 in the KHL with St. Petersburg and 28 in back to back seasons in Florida and could had done it again if the season did not get cancelled due to COVID. He is a proven offensive player who can net 25-30 goals a season. Duclair while a fantastic and electrifying player has been incredibly inconsistent so I'd take Dadonov.
I had a similar thought, either he’s toxic in the locker room, has coaching problems, or has management problems... for some reason teams feel his positives aren’t worth the negatives.
He generates 90% of his goals off the rush but if he can't get that going he becomes a bit invisible. I'll gladly take dadonov over duclair although I would have loved to have both but not at the price and term he allegedly wanted
On a recent episode of spitting chickens fleury lawyer said that you actually pay around the same tax in Canada that you do in the US if you know what your doing, not sure if this is true
How is this guy still making hockey teams and guys like galchenyuk are barely scraping by. Galchenyuk has produced so much more consistent then duclair.
Says it like it is. I think the "I'm not mean - I'm honest" crap is used too loosely. Sometimes people are just @$$h@t$. It is one thing not to sugar coat. It is completely different to be uncouth or devoid of tact. My personal opinion is that Torts is the latter. Makes for good sound bites every now and again, but it more often makes him look like a bad-mannered child. I know there are people who love him for how he acts, and that's fine. Those people are welcome to their tastes and opinions. We just disagree.
Good pickup by the Panthers!!!
They should have signed him for bigger contract 2,5mil 3 years maybe.
@@juuhan4892 nah, too much inconsistency and hasn’t really had the chance to prove himself. Great player yes, but gotta stay cautious during a rebuild
Always go on the side of caution. Look no further than the Leafs who signed Clarkson after a good season, and Jason Blake after a 40 goal season. Ottawa did the right thing
Leafs also signed zaitsev after one good season should have bridged for sire
especially in this time, as sad as it is for this years UFAs and RFAs, you don't want to give a lot of money just to keep a guy like Duclair for seasons we don't even know how they gonna look like, that makes no sense
Signing a player after a career year is like buying a mutual fund after it had a one year spike in returns.
Even though it didn’t work out in Chicago I really missed him in that jersey looked so good in it:(
As a Sens fan I love Duclair! But the Duke at 5 mill for 4 seasons.... No. Wish him the best of luck in Florida
For real lol
Yea he was really hot for a period of time and scoring crazy, but Brandon Pirri did the same thing for Vegas and then dropped off. I think he deserved a 1 year deal to prove he isn’t a fluke like VGK did with Karlsson
So I just want to say this. While the story that Tortorella wanted Duclair gone is what the major outlets tend to report about the situation, it's absolutely NOT the truth. That's not how that went down at all according to Tortorella and what he told me personally. I happened to meet John Tortorella at a veterinary conference the next morning on Sunday. In typical Tortorella style he leaked many things including that Panarin and Bobrovsky would be retained for the playoff run, but the organization had given up hope of re-signing them.
I asked him personally about the Duclair trade and he intimidated that he had nothing to do with it, and that he didn't agree with it. Tortorella saw Duclair as a project and as a guy he could turn into a true star if given enough time, and around 12 hours after the trade occurred he told me and several others that he felt that he (Tortorella) had lost that chance to help Duclair. Tortorella ended his statement on the matter saying that he hoped Duclair would get a better opportunity with more playing time and less competition in Ottawa.
What Tortorella told me that day was echoed in reports from local sources and news media that Tortorella tore through the locker room after being told of the trade, trying to catch Duclair before he left. Local friends of some of the team said that the players had confirmed that this happened. The trade shocked Tortorella. After talking, Duclair left Tortorella one of his sticks as a parting gift; beat journalists reported (with pictures) that Tortorella used the stick at practice for the remainder of the season.
I don't usually make declarative statements, and I am unlikely to do so on this channel again. But this is the rare occasion I do actually have direct knowledge on a situation. This was something I got candid information on, directly from the source, right after it happened.
As for the trade from the front office perspective. If you ask around some of the player haunts near Nationwide Arena, the local story is that Dzingel was acquired because of his friendship with Duchene and his time at Ohio State. The front office at the time believed that by getting Dzingel, if he and Duchene could continue their Ottawa chemistry, it would be much easier to convince Dzingel to re-sign with a competitive team in a city he had called home for several years. With Dzingel in the fold, it would make it much more plausible to keep Duchene. The two of them could then fill the organizational holes in the top-6. This of course backfired as Dzingel cratered and then clashed with Tortorella and teammates. Ironically Duchene wound up loving Columbus all on his own and started to gel with the team and considers many of them to be true friends. However Columbus was unwilling to match Nashville's $56m offer (because they would also lose another 1st round pick) and Duchene wound up leaving too.
Part of Tortorella's statement, as verbatim as I could record it that day:
Tortorella: "That [Duclair Trade] was hard for me last night, you never want to lose a guy out of the room like that."
Audience Member: "It broke my heart!"
Tortorella: "It broke mine too. He was working so hard those last few games, I'll miss him. I really want him to go far."
I didn't mind him in chicago, loved him in ottawa (thought he shouldve stayed if on a reasonable contract). hopefully he finds his home in Florida
Look forward to him playing with (insert team name here)
As a hawks fan, I really liked Duclair.. sucks we didn’t keep him.
With Barkov setting him up, he might have another good season.
don’t forget huberdeau, 55 apples last year and 62 in2019🤯
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Yeah, both of them will be perfect for Duclair. Buth then begs the question, who else will play on that line? In a way, Hörnqvist would be a good fit.
As a Blackhawks fan, I did not remember him being on the team. Guess you learn something new every day
I did and he was terrible. Wish best for him.
Any chance you can do a video of Jared Staal the forgotten brother? I do wonder why no team decided to try him as a defenceman. 6'4" solid guy could've been a beast on the blue line.
Duke's stellar skating and under-rated shot are keeping his chances alive, but how much longer can a player have to prove themselves? There has to be something beneath the surface here, behind closed doors that we're not privy to. It really hurts as a fan when you've been following him since junior days in the Remparts.
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I like duclair wish he was still in Arizona but this is hopefully a good signing by Florida actually exciting glad to see them pick him up
It sucks he doesn't have any playoffs experience
Exciting player if you like the unknown and surprises on your team ;)
No risk pick up, well done.
Duclair was lucky this season he score 11 of is goal vs number 2 goalie and in is last 22 game 2g 1 on empty net goal
Duclair is looking to be the first player in NHL history to play with every teams
Im a fan of Duclair, I always thought he'd be a second liner, looking more like a third liner these days, which is still good. Most teams could use him in their top 9.
He's been a mirage his whole career
decent player with some upside, even if people overrate him
yeah, the problem is, when he is stuggling offensively, he hasnt really been defensively solid. He is a player that if he could give you a consistent 20-25 goals and 40-50 points. it would be fine, but if he keeps stuggling and hitting these long dryspells that he has been previously, he might be too much of a liability for a top 6 role, but also too good for a bottom 6 or top 9. He needs to find consistensy and he will find himself on a team as a solid second liner. thats what i think his potential is at least.
Good analysis. Despite the comments that pop out about sens fans thinking Dorion dropped the ball, the vast majority of us are fine with what happened. We wanted to see if he could achieve some kind of scoring consistency, as did the sens management and they offered him several years at over 4 mil. He wanted 5+ over longer term. No meeting of minds there and he was trying to extort the team and the cap space. He could have gotten this same deal 1.7, or up to 4 with Ottawa and stuck his nose up at it. He'll regret it and we'll be just fine with who we already have.
You've really taken Duclair and Tortorella's relationship out of its context. Both have been very clear that they have a good relationship. Torts has even said that he really likes Duke. Duke came to Columbus to work on his game under Torts. Torts loved that and said he was sad to see him go at the trade deadline. Was it a great fit there? No, and it probably wouldn't work long-term in Torts' system, but there's no animosity there.
i loved duclair when he was on the hawks. there were many games where he was the only hawk that looked like he gave a shit
I think he is a pretty solid player for a low pick, had some of his best times on Ottawa and Arizona
Might sound weird but i agree with Sens letting him go, i also agree with Panthers picking him up. 1 year deal = no risk. Put him on the 3rd or 4th line, and let him play his game (Yeah, Torts would never agree with this). And i think he could be a 20 goals, 35 points guy.
Here's how Duclair works
1 Sign with team
2 Have a good season
3 Ask for 5 million and get released
4 Go to free agency
5 Repeat steps 1-4
I have a lot of optimism on this for some reason. One of the most interesting offseason moves this year.
with the Raiders in Vegas now and the VGK on the other side of Cinderella's midnight with their cap issues. It might be interesting if they start accumulating the Anthony Duclair's of the league. These players with a lot of talent, but have restricted themselves to less money because they won't play by the rules (A coach's nightmare). Josh Ho-Sang is another guy that nobody really wants to invest in. Jonathan Marchessault could be their underground king.
Really hope it can work out with the Panthers. We need this.
I'm torn, much like with say Max Afinogenov, Lad Nagy. You see greatness now and then but it's not over a longer period of time. Regardless, very solid deal for Fla.
ladislav nagy.. what a call back!
Amazing pick up by the Panthers. But I fear that he will not be able to recapture the great play that he had in Ottawa. He was like... a fan favourite, and likely would have remained a rising star there for at least a few more years.
As a Panthers fan, this seems like another great low-risk, high-reward signing for Zito. If he can live up to his potential and some of the younger guys (Tippet and Denisenko) can step up, I think we can have some success. Trying not to get my hopes up too high though... these are the Panthers we're talking about here.
Would be nice to see them do well......and I ain't even a fan...lol
I agree Shannon. Ottawa did the right thing letting this guy go. Lots of skill but not much upstairs. Duclair made a big mistake.
Not much upstairs? How so? Idk much about him
@@jarradk174 Duclair was offered a contract worth 3 million a season, so I’ve heard. He dropped his agent during a pandemic with salary cuts going on league wide. He’s on his sixth team in 7 years. Either no loyalty or not bright. He’s not what a rebuilding team wants in locker room. Nice smile though.
When someone has decent numbers, yet is on 6 teams in 7 seasons, it is a big red flag. John Tortorella was right about this bum!
million dollar bum lol
He only had decent numbers in his rookie year and this year. He's very streaky.
Wonder if he contacted the Panthers or if the Panthers contacted him about signing? I'm guessing he gets moved at the trade deadline also for draft picks
*Duke actually scored a hat trick in his first game back in Columbus after that trade.
I’m gonna miss him in Ottawa.
Panthers gave to stop over paying. But he is good but he needs stability. 3rd maybe 2nd liner but def great for a 3rd line scoring line. Perfect fit for the cats but idk about that price... not like he gunna replace Hoffman by any means. Strange.
Man I wish the nucks signed him. What a deal. Our bottom 6 is so expensive lol
Whats the record for number of teams a player has played for?
Duclair is still a young guy, he should be able to nail that one down.
I was always jealous that New York had drafted him, but after his stint in Chicago. I was completely wrong about him. He’s a top 9 at best on most teams around the league. Top 6 on garbage teams.
This guy isn’t even that bad, especially for a third round pick. He gets so much hate for no reason. (Oh wait I think I may know one) players like this shuffle around all the time in other sports.
Was hoping he would be willing to take a 1 year "prove it" deal with the Blues after Steen retired. Oh well. Money for Dunn and another player possibly
Anthony Duclair; the Alex Galchenyuk v1.5
Some team out there should be happy due to the flat cap. Had there been no covid. Guarantee some GM would would given him 4x4 or 5x5, and they would’ve regretted that contract within the first year of it. And yes, it was a mirage.
The most thorough analysis I've seen on this. I think the Sens still booted the ball though. Here's why. If they give him a QO, they don't have to elect arbitration, they can make DuClair do it. If that's the case, then OTT can choose only 1 yr if they want. OTT had the cap space for one year. Plus, if he signs anywhere else at 1.7, they'll get a 3RDP as compensation. To me, this just shows that OTT is cheap franchise. It's only a 1 yr deal. DuClair also did the right thing b/c he got a raise. Now, did he do the right thing to begin with by firing his agent?
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Future considerations wins and its not even close.
@@machinegunheavy5464 GOAT
He must be a well liked guy 😂
as a sens fan, I really dont see it with duclair. Other than some highlight reels plays like every second game he's just a speedy, bad defender. was super cold after the all star break
Duclair is a guy who makes up for his defensive shortcomings with his offensive skills. Since he's streaky, he can go through periods where he's a liability. I would have taken him to arbitration and kept him for the one year contract the arbitrator would have given him.
Wish the sens kept him
Good pick up by the Florida Panthers
Playing on Ottawa seems to pump up offensive numbers for speedy players like Duclair and Duchene.
Who is the new Sillinger?
Not really familiar with this player. Is he a healthy scratch often or does he get hurt every year? Very inconsistent games per season
Sens fan here. So we traded Duke for Dad, huh?
Pretty much. To be fair losing Duke can bite us in the ass. But, Dadonov is a proven 30 Goal guy and should mesh very nicely on the 1st line with Tkachuk.
@@Wexter0083 a proven 30 goal guy without ever scoring 30 in his career
@@tjvriesenga5504 he's scored 30 in the KHL with St. Petersburg and 28 in back to back seasons in Florida and could had done it again if the season did not get cancelled due to COVID. He is a proven offensive player who can net 25-30 goals a season. Duclair while a fantastic and electrifying player has been incredibly inconsistent so I'd take Dadonov.
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I like him as a player. Sad to see him jumping around like this.
duclair is toxic. that's why he keeps moving. he's also lazy. can't say this is a great signing.
Toxic? I've never heard that, sources for that?
lmao k
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great player. skilled, fast etc.... but to have so many teams in so few years...i feel like he must be a complete prick off the ice.
I had a similar thought, either he’s toxic in the locker room, has coaching problems, or has management problems... for some reason teams feel his positives aren’t worth the negatives.
He generates 90% of his goals off the rush but if he can't get that going he becomes a bit invisible. I'll gladly take dadonov over duclair although I would have loved to have both but not at the price and term he allegedly wanted
2 goals in 22 games and one was an empty netter
no matter what the sport, you can't coach SPEED; i get the vibe he might be a liability on D but i'm vibin' his pluses outweigh his minuses...
On a recent episode of spitting chickens fleury lawyer said that you actually pay around the same tax in Canada that you do in the US if you know what your doing, not sure if this is true
Spitting chickens lolol
Always a red flag when the player falls off the cliff in the last third of the season
Torts does see colour. I would be very concerned with anything that he may say when it comes to BIPOC.
How is this guy still making hockey teams and guys like galchenyuk are barely scraping by. Galchenyuk has produced so much more consistent then duclair.
he had a lot of talent for columbus... just made too many boneheaded mistakes and wasn’t great on defense
Not a team player.
So much so he doesn't play well in a structured offense
Says it like it is. I think the "I'm not mean - I'm honest" crap is used too loosely. Sometimes people are just @$$h@t$. It is one thing not to sugar coat. It is completely different to be uncouth or devoid of tact. My personal opinion is that Torts is the latter. Makes for good sound bites every now and again, but it more often makes him look like a bad-mannered child. I know there are people who love him for how he acts, and that's fine. Those people are welcome to their tastes and opinions. We just disagree.
Guy has raw skill but i think he's difficult to coach
He's a suitcase.
too streaky-too muchy money-too bad...
Duclair lacks passion.