The game is only gonna end when the cost of mantaining the servers are higher than the amount of money they produce. Until that moment, no gacha is gonna die. And Arknights is no exception. I like both ways, actually. I like the "allmighty powerfull operators" that can solve any stage whenever you don't want a challange, and the lower rarity, the niche ones, the funny ones, even the "bad operators" for when you want to try something stupid, or "cool". It's just a game, and a lot of people always seem to forget it
Look at it straight, a lot of people in recent years spend a lot of times yapping and complaining about characters that not just even fictional, is also just a 8-bit code and PNGs online, no more no less.
honestly HG is a weird company. they are gacha game company but doesn't feel like so. the small example for that; they can literally can generate so much amount of money with the skin alone. like just slap Kal'tsit with a maid skin or give W the same skin as her trailer on her debut or give any other meta ops with L2D skins. However, they did none of that. Instead, they give a random 3* operator a FREE new skin and give us many free pulls and OP. PS: I'm very grateful for their generosity but its just feels odds nonetheless. I just hope it doesn't hurt Arknights lifespan as a gacha game.
@@hikizutomomokaze1530Would you mind explaining what an 8-bit code is? Jkjk, but just for future reference, you won't have 8-bit code, because that's only a byte, which was way too little nowadays to even write a single character (letters, symbols, numbers) out. 8-bit code refers to ASCII characters, and I'm 99% sure Arknights isn't made of ASCII art.
It really depends on the situation with most of them. For example I Hate Ling with a burning passion but against the helldive that is IS I always borrow one (I skipped her banner) as her versatility in early game is really useful and by the time I can promote her (if at all) the stages are on a level where she doesn't feel nearly as busted as in regular stages.
@@rafliyaumil8812Because they don't make money out of skins. It's quite clear considering how even L2D ones can be bought with only OP gained from event and consistently rerun.
As a five star player my problem with 6 stars is that they are expensive to build and also how broken they are, but i also don't play 4 stars only cus a thing kuma have mentioned, they don't have phalanx caster, same goes for fortress defender, liberator guard and so on, i guess i like 5 stars cus they won't insta break the game like 6 stars does but also not limiting me on options, i also don't like how 4 stars vanguards are bland but that would make this comment to long.
me with over a page full of e2 90 6* ops and then half a page of at least e2 70’s….oops ok but meme aside I still have plenty of resources I can just craft. I raise who I like and it saves me just enough to raise the next op I like. You gotta be handy with resources and just farm. Auto farm your sanity as usual and farm events you’ll be good. Like the too expensive thing ehhh yes really but that only exists if you do too many at once so if you do a 6* here and there that expensive part is not really as bad as it seems
So to be fair, Kal'tsit's IS module is absolutely cracked. It probably would be too strong in normal play. It's probably really good in IS as well, and medic recruits can be a bit annoying to be constantly getting so you might want a Kal'tsit. Phantom on the other side is REALLY weak compared to Texas/Yato 2.0 . Now I can't say from first hand use (as I don't play CN) but running the numbers even with his IS module his skill 2 compared to Texas/Yato is competitive. He does about 2x the damage of Yato/Texas base, but Yato does hers in 1/10th the time in a small AoE and Texas can recast+the AoE burst at the start. So it's good, but it just "Makes Phatom sometimes as good as the best FRD". People are probably angry because HG literally did the module perfectly; Buffed an unter-tuned unit in an interesting and intuitive way that plays to their unique kit so they now can stand close to the level of new ops. They then went "Oh, it's IS only BTW." Unless you get a free/instant promotion taking Phantom in IS over say Texas is a gamble that you MIGHT get a unit that is sometimes as good, instead of grabbing the better unit that when upgraded will be just as good.
Phantom with the new module is definitely not weak. It is difficult to make use of for sure. The "reset" mechanic of Texas alter now applies to Phantom, he resets the skill whenever the clone is deployed, the clone will have massively short redeploy time as long as he/it has something to attack. Laneholding while letting the clone harassing enemies at the same time with the cost 1 Deployment limit with Phantom is now possible. Of course he will fall off and cannot replace Texalter/Kirito on higher floors, but this is the just exact amount of power I need from a FRD. Baiting is much easier especially with enemies attacking 2 targets simultaneously. You can watch pard's video of Phantom starting squad in IS#5.
@@frankie391 I know how his module works and I agree he isn't weak at E2 with IS Module. He is (relative to the limited FRD) perfectly balanced. Technically a downgrade most of the time, but hold up well enough for 80% of content.
For me the solution to the game just being way to easy with decently build account was to just go for low op clears. This way I can play around with my shiny 6* operators and still need to think on how to clear the stage instead of just activating Młynar's skill. Turns out that when you don't have more ops to cover for his downtime Młynar has actual weakness and doesn't automatically solve most stages. Since we only get actually hard map once in a blue moon coming up with some self imposed challenge makes regular events way more fun for me.
Degenbreacher and młynar are in the top of my list Physical damage have always been put down by the fandom for being "cursed with the damage formula" due to it being a simple subtraction, but when you operator hits for 4k damage each hit, hit 6 enemies in a VERY wide range very quickly, its too easy at that point Degenbreacher breaking the rule of hitting to gain SP made her too broken, she is młynar but laneholder
But she is vulnerable to ranged enemies, and relies on said skill to hit air enemies like all other Swordmasters. Degen IS broken with S3, but she cannot solo very strong bosses like those of ToN-4 or control half of the map. Wisadel can do both, completely trashes air and ground and can do this regardless of positioning -she on a completely different level of nonesense
@@brainless34wisadel cant hit air unless with s3 that have longcycle (her summon also cant hit air during offskill) so she is not good for drone spam stage whicg she only have low ammo as well
@@brainless34 well even młynar cant oneshot bosses so bad? And the ranged argument can be said for any melee operator unless theyre defenders, she is a laneholder that deletes EVERYTHING in her way, even irene cant compete because irene hits stuff with her skill, if enemies are behind and infront of her she will spread her bullets
I despise Wis'adel not because of how insane her kit is, but because she has something to do with "revenants", the same ghosts that powered the airship in episode 12. I could have made up DOZENS of characters that could have something to do with summoning revenants to fight for you, but you wanna know what HG did? THEY GAVE IT TO THAT DISGUSTING CREATURE! And to add salt to the wound, they made her a limited. Of course I'm going to pull for her (It would be stupid not to) but I am NOT happy about it!
My view on ops who are too strong is they are trump cards. I use them only when the stage is too tedious for me, and if I don't have enough free time to put up a more complex strategy with units I like a lot to use. I need to kill this boss quick and I don't want to play around him or just stall ? Huge debuffers or dpses. Something annoying from the other side of the map I don't want to deal ? Goldenglow. Don't want to care about damage over time ? Abyssal hunters, and so on. The more a unit is strong and universal, the more its use will be rare for me (unless maybe in SSS where I want it to end quick but that's out of the point). The only strong things I use more often are flagpipe and skalter, and it's because they enable everything else I do (I always want to play Eunectes so she needs babysitting); or very strong niche units but it's satisfying to dusk them off at the right time. It is another debate, but I do enjoy when the events or bosses aren't complete nonsense so you can work out something with less (and yes it is always possible but I don't want to have to watch guides to do that !)
With each event i will start with a meme party, and see where they can go. My friends and i will sometimes just vote on dumb teamcomps to try. I'll add/swap people if the later maps are hard or the boss is tricky. Still, its fun to mix things up and discover synergies and combos with a new roster as you advance through maps.
Power creep is actually a vital part of progress. Raising operators costs resources and lots of resources for a 6 star, so a new operator needs to be at least slightly better than what I've already got, or it's a waste of resources, even if it's free (Lessing, I'm looking in your general direction).
I have a question for you, if you have a complete roster who can already beat the game, is it still a waste of resources to raise weaker ops? Your line of thought is something I see a lot, but I never get to see the whole extent of how people get to that conclusion
@@RewriteKuma the line of thinking is typically most common in gachas and competitive games like league where the devs are trying to sell you something. If the new character or whatever is weaker than previous characters, then gacha players are likely to skip the character, and competitive players are unlikely to buy the character and it's skins until it's buffed. Which means that characters need to be stronger and content needs to be harder or cater to that character to most reliably encourage people to spend money for said character. As opposed to relying on novelty or the waifu effect. The line of logic isn't about the health of the game. At least in a mechanical sense. It's far more about the financial side of the game, and the lack of trust devs have to make back their money on new characters. Which I'm not saying as derision, that's just standard in the industry nowadays.
@@wagz781 Maybe I didn't explain myself properly. I get that's why powercreep exists, I understand market tactics. The part I don't understand is why the players feel such a necessity for power, even when in a non-competitive environment, and when they can already beat the game without giving a second thought. That's what I want to understand
@@RewriteKuma Oh, well, that's just cope. Sounds fucked, but that's honestly what it is. That or they bought into marketing trying to sell them shit, basically.
@@RewriteKuma This seems like a question of personal values. What makes the game fun for a player. A person who exclusively builds operators that they perceive to be stronger would find building a weak operator as a waste of time and resources even if those resources were infinite. Their values (ie strong = fun) would make weak operators seem worthless and unbuildable. For an example of the reverse: In this video you showed kal'tsit at EO, if you had infinite resources would you build her? The reason given in the video of why shes not build have nothing to do with resources and you dont seems like a completionist. It seems to come down to your personal style of play and the type of fun youre trying to have in the game.
Arturia is indeed very interesting and fun to use and has an awesome design, but Yato is a bit boring, other than watching her ERASE everything in range for the 0.5 seconds her skill lasts, she kinda does nothing, Texas feels more fun to use.
Phantom definitely needs a module to be relevant, truly annoying that his IS module is not available everywhere. Kalt'sit is fine without it though, broken operator.
When it comes to 6 stars... I typically only use, Angelina or Dorothy. And it is mainly Dorothy because traps are fun. Ling is an operator I like running but typically don't because busted.
I enjoy the game the most when I play with the characters I like as -characters-. And I should say: I love playing Degenbrecher despite what everyone says! Her event? Some of the best Arknights writing. Her scenes? Delightful. And her kit... I do find it surprisingly fitting to her character. Yes, it's simple af. But so is her fighting style in canon: it's no technique, no style, just a lot of strength, speed and violence. So I do feel sparks of joy in my soul when I play her despite people complaining "she has the most boring kit boo". I'm happy. That's what matters. I'm not a super player who only uses 4-stars (and I have no real motivation to when I don't care about, uhm, Cuora's lore or something. Some are brilliant though, like Roberta). Not to say I'm a "brainless" style adept either: I sometimes attempt Kjerag clears, and to these Degenbrecher was a salvation. But I think I am a player who spends more time reading Arknights than playing the stages, and I love it that way. TL;DR play the game the way you like, there's still plenty of choices
This logic is partly why I almost never max out a 6* operator or give them masteries. Sure, Mlynar isn’t weak at just sl7 and e2 level 50, but he’s less of a solution to everything.
I feel you. While I have some broken 6-stars I bring out for the really hard stages (Texalter and Goldenglow mostly), I usually prefer to stick to 4 and 5 stars because the game is decently challenging with them, and they give room for more creative strategies most of the time. In fact, in the upcoming banners, I'm a lot more exited about the 5 and 4 stars than the 6 stars. Iana and Fuze look really fun to use, Lutonada has an awesome design, Fang alter is a character I've been waiting for a long time and one of my favourite characters (Amiya) getting a form in one of my favourite classes (Incantation Medic) is the cherry on top. That being said, I wanted to mention that there's one 6-star that I think is really well designed, because it allows for both creative and fun strategies AND just being a "delete button". And that's Ray. Her S2 is really fun to play with, it requires a lot of consideration and map knowdlege; and while it's good, it still keeps that heavy drawback of having to reload the weapon if you mess up and cycle her sandbeast badly. On the other hand, if you just want big stuff to die ASAP, you equip her S3 and that's it.
Personally, I don't mind strong operators but I don't like when the design of their kit is just boring and only focused on making them stronger than others. Someone like Degenbrecher or Wisadel, they're very similar to the operators in their archetype but they just has their downside erased away for the sake of making them stronger and that's boring.
So, I don't think Wis'adel being powercrept would be very good, let alone healthy. She is so cracked it isn't funny. For comparison with Typhon (another recent physical damaged ranged OP with big range and comparable skill cycle. Typhon does about ~113,243.2 damage per skill before defense. She also does ignore up to 60% of enemy defense after the first barrage. Wid'adel does about 80,757.6~149,401.56 [91,054.194 on average]. This is also done in a MASSIVE AoE (though secondary targets do take 25% less damage). The hits also deal (noncrit) 6.8k+2x3.4k damage, so any defense that can actually stop her renders every other physical DPS super duper useless anyway. Oh, Wis'adel is also camouflaged as long as any of her 3 super tanking summons are alive. Like Curora level of tank, but with +50 res added on top. Which also deal an additional ~70k DPS during her skill. For another comparison, Ray has more skill DPS, but she only does about ~78k peak skill damage, so even if she kills faster her total skill damage is less. Let alone her lack of range or adds. So yeah, we have a competitor for the best ranged DPS in the game, which also hits AoE, which is also (almost) un-killable as long as her literal ranged tank decel binder swarm is alive. Which also re-summons it's self every skill cycle (37-80 seconds). Wis'adel is literally an entire squad unto herself.
Ok, I'm willing to agree with you that W alter's powercreep is unhealthy, but only if you can explain to me how is she different from the others we had before. The same was said for Surtr, Ling, Ch'en alter, Mlynar, and maybe some others in between. You could say that W alter beats anything alone, but that has been the case for most stages anyway with other strong operators. I'm not against the idea that powercreep is bad, but I don't see how she is any different. Is it just because her numbers are bigger? Well, if that is the case of course they will make them even bigger later. Is it because it's scary to think how Arknights would be if they designed the game around these busted characters? That would be a compelling argument, but we don't get rewards for completing the highest level of difficulty they throw at us, and those only exist on seasonal events or alternative game modes; and even if you want to consider those modes, they still are beaten by weaker operators, so it's hard to imagine Arknights designing for W alter and equivalents, because at that point, less than a handfull of players would be able to play the game. So That's where I'm at, I don't see it
@@RewriteKuma Most of them have downsides in addition to having less potential DPS. -Surtr kills herself after a while while also having much worse target count+range and cannot hit air. Also has lower peak ST DPS. -Ling is your entire team. Yes she is strong but her full power takes up 7 Deployment slots (and over 100 DP) and she can only be in 3 (4) places at once for such a cost. Not to mention the time to deploy all her dragons. . . -Chen Alter has much lower range, higher cost and less DPS for comparable damage/skill cycles. -Mylnar does literally nothing during his downtime and he needs his full downtime to be at full power. He also looses damage with each kill, has the lowest base attack (makes him a bad buff target) and he still does less ST DPS than Wis'adel. These comparisons also ignore the triplet of 3.5k HP 800 def and attack ranged summons that have 50 res Decel Binders that Wis'adel summons. Which grant her camo when any of them are on the field. Yeah, you need to deal ~21k arts damage (or at least ~13k phys) between skill uses to even be allowed to attempt to kill Wis'del while getting a nuclear strike repeatably called to your postal code.
@zancloufer ok, so you see it as an operator having no downsides makes for a bad situation, and you think W having more damage than the previous strongest ops is bad. But let's think what that realistically affects. W alter might make a difference in some low op clears, just like Ling did and to this day she's there soloing stages. That side of competitive Arknights is indeed in a sad state, but that's the case even without W or Ling. You could argue that W is easier to play with, that's fair, and if that's what bothers you, that the strongest op is easy to use, then I can't say anything. W alter will also allow you to bring her in alongside other strong operators just because someone wants to, to easily beat any stage in the game; but in this case, we already have lots and lots of squads that do the exact same. Maybe you think it's a problem that beginners will have easy access to her and being able to run past everything will make for a less enjoyable experience. I've seen that happening with other operators as well, it won't be a new problem. Maybe having too many of those can be a real problem, but from my perspective, we already have gone past the point where we have too many busted ops and having one more doesn't change the beginner experience. If all that really bothers you is just the damage numbers, since you brought up the numbers again, then I'm sorry, but W is not the first one to have absurd numbers. Maybe you don't remember, but the fuss a while ago was about how some 6★ where getting over 100k damage. Things have been tranding up for a long time, and it's not W who breakes the bank. If you really think the numbers are the problem, you need to explain to me why, because as I told you, the numbers we already have are more than enough to beat any enemy in the game, and adding more to that changes nothing. I actually want to understand, but it's not by saying "the problem is that she powercreeps" that you will convince me that her powercreep is a problem, because she is not the first or second to do that, and every time one of these operators came out, nobody saw a flaw in them as well
@@RewriteKuma I mean it's also the fact that she is yet another time limited alter that power-creeps an entire archtype into (relative) worthlessness. She also ignores the main weakness (cannot hit air) that flingers use to have. It's just the annoyance of all these under-tuned ops being ignored while crazier and crazier new ones get introduced. There is also always the small fear that HG will start balancing around stronger ops because we have too many game shattering operators. I swear bosses gimmicks and/or stats are trending upwards while the gap between the best and worst operators are getting bigger and bigger.
The fun part is that we are all difetent people with diferent tastes, I LOVE broken operators that explode everything around, and there are people who like a more challenge gameplay, both sides are ok, its just taste :)
Talking bout kaltsit, we still dont have another kaltsit type since eventhough she is categorized as single target like shining etc, she has longer range than other medic which is not from talent. Kind of hoping for sui sibling to be the next kaltsit like medic, since as muxh as shu good as healing defender still would like another healer that actually help dps as well (so incantation or kal type) for aui knight
About Kaltsits character, I feel like she developed a sort of a hero complex where she thinks she is the only one who can handle the situation(minus few examples that I won’t list)
Yet she ignores a lot of incident that could had a possible worst outcome by being indifferent. For me, her indifferent trait of her caused by her lifespan fall on a flat side of character.
I like power creep. I do think the power creeping is vital to any game that has progression. But i do respect you think isnt funny. For some it is. For some it isnt. The game have a playstyle for everyone. Choose one. Be happy and the main thing. Have fun with it.
For me personally I like to play the game with “themed” teams, operators of the same faction / group / race. For example the “church” team where i use only operators from laterano, or the Rhodes Island team where i use only operators that are listed as actual RI employees in the archives (not operators that are “external collaborators” with RI. And in that regard i don’t care really about their power, in the same team there could be 6 stars, 5 or 4 stars, even 3 stars! Also because to me playing like that the 6 stars really feel more like “elites” that stand out compared to the others and save the day when their weaker companions are in trouble.
Eu fui um dos sortudos que consegue Arturia em menos de 60 pulls. Ela no E1 S7 já e forte para caramba. O mais impressionante dela é que você nem precisa de masteries ou upar elas depois de E2 de tão forte que ela é
Having Irene's defense ignore made her my go to when playing SSS. Then Degenbrecher came out. Man Degen's s3 lasts so long and it's so easy to charge up compared to Irene. Makes me sad for the birb. I still use her though :(
Usually whenever there are certain configurations or types that they avoid putting into stages, it's usually because of a six star, like how they tend to avoid Ifrit lanes or how enemies will very seldom be silencable because Lappland exists, But then you have Jaye meaning that they barely ever make strong enemies infected creatures. I do like playing with the really fancy features so I do tend to run a lot of six stars, though my pull priorities have a lot to do with how weird an operator's kit is. I have definitely left ops not fully built to keep them from getting too strong. I do think there is something to phantom being irrelevant in IS because being a six star he takes the same amount of hope as any six star and is competing for the same voucher as Texas/Specter alter/Dorothy.
Some Characters are just not meant to be played by X people because they just don't fit the playstyle/niche or because of Design/Fanbase issues. I will never pull for W or Muelsyse myself, unless they spook me offbanner but even with that, i just won't build them. In the end we have our own taste/preferences and people need to respect that.
i use her a lot since i used my 6* selector and even if she don't have these press to win button like mylnar,degen,W,etc Ines makes everything so much more easier to do, she have fast skill cycle and redeploy,can be an early laneholder and above all,her flag can reveal and slow down enemies without taking slot invisible enemies always are a pain in the ass and she alone trivialize this
I play an odd mix of 6, 5 and 4 stars. The only thing that remains consistent is that they're not exactly the ebst mix with one another. Heck, I don't really have the best heavyhitters built like silverash, mlynar, surtr, ling. I also pretty much sort of ignore the convenient operators and plays the sorta troublesome ones. Dreadnoughts, trappers, Roar!
woa I didnt expect a whole video out of this. I agree so much at one point I was rolling for everything that seemed cool and interesting, but I noticed I cant really use them as I either obliterate enemy before I do the flashy flash or I just default to meta ops I already had. but since I started nicheknights it was so dope, no healing and no arts source really hit me and was fun to go around with indra as only source of both lol, but then reed came.... and kinda overpowered whole game, I love playing with her, especially melting bosses with S2, but when I wanna play the game, I sadly need to put her aside 😢.
Wisadel has a pretty fun S2 that I want to use instead of her S3, and she's a limited, and she's a 6 star Sniper. These are the only reasons im pulling Wisadel
Call me crazy but I'd like to beat the events as efficiently as possible because arknights is like 1 of 5 games that I play, not including my other hobbies like shooting, reading, watching shows, etc. So having ops like Typhon or Texalter or Eyja alter that reduce or remove difficulty is very helpful. My niche is "whatever beats the stage the fastest". Not to say that niche players are wrong, but I've got other things to do than build sub-par ops and get migraines from doing a welfare only CC run.
the only time i'm contemplating not playing an amazing operator is when people hyping an operator too much. i just quickly lose interest in said operator
maybe the reverse but some units are just abyssmal, Frostleaf has such a cool design, we even got a very nice skin for free! but the ATK speed reduction on her passive makes her getting outdamaged by Midnight and feels like she isn't worth using at all.
If it's a hard mode like Sand or IS or SSS or Trials or CC, sure, I'll use everyone. Everything else, sparing on ops like Yato Alter, Mlynar, Ling, Degenbrecher, Goldenglow, Typhon.
I've never been a meta player, I use units because I like them and that's it. Usually means I like how they look/their lore and very rarely for what they do (virtuosa S2). But I wont use them just because they are strong, I have thorns and haven't touched him, same with Ling, Mylnar and Degen. My main squad uses Myrtle, Lappy, La Pluma, Shining, Siege, Ceobe, Hoshi, Eunectes, Skadi and Gravel with room to switch around. Plus I no unit will ever get a higher than Gravel as she is my fav and best girl so has to be number 1. But I still have a team of 4* and a no 6* squad who so far I have been able to use to beat every normal version of bosses in the game.
true. I have most of meta ops built on but rarely used them outside IS stage. I do some silly strat lately. like aak and gummy carry. the cope for stun proc is hilarious but fun things to do.
I raise the strongest Operators because I want the easiest possible time in the game. I'm a casual, small brain player and I don't have hours to spend trying and retrying something until it's successful. I play other games and have my personal life, so being able to quickly clear content and enjoy the story, and buy new characters and skins is my goal.
this is not even the first time this happens chen alter on release was also controversial for being too strong and simply having a boring/simple gameplay people said that she felt like a unit made to suck money with little to no effort behind it
I just got Swire alter who I really wanted after learning about her 3 skill, I was also going for Reed alter but failed to get her and so I am saving for ascalon, 5th anniversary, and ulpianus and maybe Inis in "the front that was," although I am planning on getting 300 pulls to get a skadi alter in the 5th anniversary.
I wish they make a strong operator just like jaye. Sushiman already strong from the beginning even with E0lvl1. But there is a limited of dmg that he can deals. Not some hydrogen bomb called Wisadel. Even when her offskill dps still busted. Walter is too much of a jump of power spike on this game. We need to bring back POO Gundam as the standard of new bosses.
The bosses and all the other enemies won't scale to follow wisadel, or at the very least, it's not expected to be the case; me and many other players continue to beat the game with low rarity ops and weaker squads, and that's because the stats on enemies hasn't changed much since year 2, what has changes is stage design and enemy skill set. The powercreep on operators has always been a reality, and wisadel doesn't really change much, she's just another drop of water on a full cup. But tbh I sometimes wish to see a reality where Arkngihts decides to make enemies that require the stronger ops on a daily basis, just to see how many players would actually be able to play the game, and I bet on less than a handful
@@RewriteKuma Honestly, I'm agree to that idea. We need something like SV stage would be another great example. The stage where you cant just wipe out the enemy and just brute force it. The stage where you need a proper strat to finish it. I'm still amaze of the mad lad who stall the "SV eggs creature" with a cliftheart (facing backwards) for literal twenty minutes. They used her s2 to cancel her attack animation. The min max of every operator to their max potential use is really pleasing to watch. I didn't even know that game mechanic was exist to begin with. Tbh, compared to that strat. IS4 d15 double ending looks like 1-7 lmao. The hardest we can get right now is doing relicless d15 run but then again. Its just tryhard mode. Not actually min-maxing the ops potential usage.
I don't like 6 stars in general. Not because of their power but because their 3rd skill and 2nd talent is locked behind E2. Getting an operator to E1 80 is too expensive LMD&XP-wise, E2ing that operator is exoensive resource-wise and sometimes the things i was interested in were locked behind lvl 3 module(such as global ASPD buff of Angelina). It just takes waaay too much time to experience what the 6star operator in question is truly capable of. I'll have someone else E2 90 M9 Walter or whatever crackhead operator and I'll just borrow them once i feel cheesy.
well lore W is strong to begin with, and its not a problem if she strong, you can limit your self by not use her or u can just leave her skill on level 1. she is limited too, so need to make sure she is worth the pull by making her strong
I'm not much of a META player and built plenty of 5-stars and 4-stars, I still want to perform at my best... but my latest 6-star additions just steal the show completely. I rarely ever use now a non 6-star now due to the power difference, the 1-2 DP cost trade is so meaningless since mirtle...
I totally get you. I realized that problem right after I started playing, back in 2021, but in my case I refused to leave behind some of my favorites just because they were weaker; and now I have fun playing with only 4 stars. That's just the game that Arknights is, it was never meant to be well balanced or a challenge. It's unfortunate sometimes.
I like to avoid using big damage ops like Surtr, Ifrit, and Eyja. Nothing against their characters - they are very cute respectfully. But using them kinda feels *too* easy. So I’ll try to use Passenger, Corroserum, Minimalist, or Ebenholz in their places lol. Just for flavor and nothing else. Oh my bf’s account, I tried using other casters, and man, the difference between Eyja’s S2 and the rest of the core casters’ damage is HUGE. There isn’t a good in-between imo. 😭 I’ve raised both Absinthe and Kjera and although I love their character designs and the variety of their kits, their skills often don’t charge quick enough or do significantly enough dmg to handle their own. It’s like these 5-star casters are built with a slight debuff to never be too good, which makes sense because this is a gacha, yet 4-star Click can be a better replacement for either of them in my experience. What a joke lol.
I personally would never level up broken characters I don't like (mlynar for example), and even if the character I love is ruined by "omg so broken" skillset and I build them I end up rarely using them because they make my experience too boring. both degenbrecher and walter were ruined for me because "activate broken skill with no weakness and easy win". like bruh I'm not a game journalist I don't need that
As a new player (3 months~} I need some of the best operators for a efficient progress and myself being smooth brained.. well I guess need those 6 star. Why would I build 4 star squad that maybe required more mats when I could build few 6 star to carry me?
For me, its usually not the operator but certain skills the operator has. I still avoid using Exu s3, Eyja s3, SA s3. Those kinds of skills, mainly SA and Eyja are not fun for me. I will use them when their usage comes up but I never keep those skills in mind when approaching stages. I used Exu s1, SA s1, and Eyja s2 as my default skills for those operators. In general, I don't find skills that have a long skill cost to be fun to play with, regardless of the power level of the skill. Skadi, Shining, Nightingale, Dusk, Nian, Suzu, Saria, Eyja Alter, Virtuosa all of their s3s and Rosa s2 I avoid using in a vast majority of content. And speaking for myself, I tend to pick "unconventional" skills to m3 of the 6*s. How many people do you know that m3'd SA s1 and s2 not because they're an SA simp but because they actually like using those skills? I only have Chen s2 m3'd and nothing else. Only s2 for Shining and Nightingale, only s1 for Ceobe. I could keep going but hopefully you get the point. I'm not above using the super strong skills and ops but I don't typically use them.
Personally i dont like W alter cuz welp, cuz she is like one button and all the enemies are gone (also her personality is kinda meh), if i pull for her it will only be for collection, also i already have the pink pedo wolf and typhoon cuz i already have them built and are really good snipers, and more importantly i have fun playing with them Also is kinda weird that one of the archetypes like the centurion guards powercreep is nothing to be afraid of (for the moment) cuz almost every centurion guard is really good (sorry english is not my naitive languaje)
You (plural) dont max out Operators to not make the game seem easy, I dont max out my Operators because I cant (I cant stop E2-ing characters I find hot/cool) Jokes aside, most of my Operators are E2 lv20 or lv30, the game is beatable but harder content (D15 of IS and high difficulties of CC) will erase me. I know leveling them up to higher levels will help but I just cant (and cant be bothered to do so)
I don't know if this as hot a take as it feels like but man o man there is no operator I hate more than mlynar. I don't care how strong he is his kit is so god damn boring to me. *stand there and do nothing* *kill everything* *return to doing nothing* I didn't think they could make true silver slash more boring but they did.
Kuma, you often say that powercreep is not a problem because stages aren't being powercrept alongside them. I initially agreed, but after thinking about it for a while, I think that's not entirely correct. I find it hard to argue that the first few events, such as (I'm going by the in-game Side Story order here, so I might be slightly out of order) Grani and the Knights' Treasure, Heart of Surging Flame, Code of Brawl etc. are easier than our current events. Of course, this may seem unimportant, and you might argue that after some time, the power level did stop to rise. However, I think it is hard for old players to appreciate how hard the new events are for new players. After all, old players have a lot more experience when a new event comes around. So an old player might even feel that it's easier to beat new events with low rarity ops than old events with strong ops, simply because they have much more experience. Notably, off the top of my head, I think that Dorothy's Vision, Vernal Winds, Lingering Echoes, and The Leader, Clip Cliff, and Andoain, are especially hard for new players, requiring new players to pay attention to many more things than a regular stage in order to stand a chance, and/or being DPS checks (it's unlikely for a new player to be able to substantially stall Clip Cliff, Andoain, and obviously not Dorothy Vision boss, for instance). I conjecture that old events were balanced around new players playing the game for the first time, whilst newer events are balanced around older players. Therefore, in order to make new players able to clear them, HG puts out strong operators. I further conjecture that powercreep is done to attract new players and players who had quit because the game is too hard. I remember as a newbie, the first event that started after I joined was Dorothy's Vision (I started on March 1), and I struggled for hours to beat DV-EX-8, using Ling. Of course in hindsight I look at arkrec and realize Ling has a 2-op with Spot, but I think it was a difficult challenge. I was unable to beat CM either; though again in hindsight I look at arkrec and realize Ling has a 2-op with Skalter (which can be substituted with any decent damage dealer and a healer). But now, Wisadel solos it, and two-ops CM with Cardigan, because she can partially ignore the main challenges of the stage, that being the map-wide damage, the constant waves with multiple lanes, combined with the threat of high-danger mechs awakening. Of course Wisadel isn't better at Ling at low-op, and the Wisadel clears certainly aren't easy, but I find it hard to believe that Wisadel wasn't made with the intention of making the game much easier. Which brings me to my main point: One of the problems with this intermittent powercreeping may be that if you don't start with one of these strong whilst easy-to-use operators, new players will find Arknights too difficult; but instead of making the new player experience easier, or making new players feel less bummed about taking a long time to clear their first event, etc., HG seems to want players to spend. It's like, "Oh, our game is unreasonably hard [to new players], but if you just spend money for this operator, and if this operator is on the banner when you join the game in the first place, it'll be so much easier!" I argue that this is predatory. It's like those games where you occasionally get an impossibly hard stage that forces you to buy powerups to progress, just that Arknights is more subtle, and has a gacha system. I also argue that this does a disservice to new players who might actually derive more enjoyment from eventually conquering an event, rather than doing so because they rolled for a nuke button and leveled it up to E2. Furthermore, players who do not look up the meta might find the game extremely different from other players, based on what operators they started out with. And, well, it's pretty hard to allow multiple players have very different power levels, and still ensure they are getting the "full" enjoyment from the game. I also remember a friend of mine seeing that I was at JT8-3, and had lost the fight, and he mentioned how he was stuck there for some months, and that it was a really hard stage. Really hyped me up then I beat it like 2 attempts later. Funnily enough jt8-3 is also one of the few other stages that Wisadel is better than Ling at if you're counting rarity (as in, Wisadel + Mayer clears and is a 6*+5* as compared to Ling duos which were always with another 6*). Kinda funny that, from what I can tell, Wisadel is outranking Ling in the arkrec tier list for low-op solely because Ling has anti-synergy with Mayer and Deepcolor, who are obviously among the best; albeit I don't think that tier list is very accurate. So, yes, stages are no longer going up in difficulty, but they are already sufficiently high up in difficulty that new players will take quite some time to beat them without the strongest operators.
Hasn't Arknights always been like that, though? Sure, Grani was easy, but Wolumonde was a Year 1 event, and it felt like a nightmare for a middle level abilities player like me on release. Managing EX8 Mudrock was a headache without bursting her with SA+Eyja+Angelina aka the leading DPS of the time, very tight micromanagement. I remember physically crying at how many attempts that stage took me on Challenge mode on its release. The only thing that's changed is that previously they'd recommend you to roll SA/Eyja for easy clears, and now they'd recommend you to roll Mlynar/Logos instead. And if you're a high ability player, you'll clear both Mudrock and Cliff with 4*.
Wisadel caused quite a commotion but honestly she has same effect on the game as Surtr's release back in the day. At the time we didn't have many operators to begin with and 6 stars were just better versions of 4 and 5 stars but not really broken (yes Kaltsit is kinda broken but not close to Surtr level of broken). And in all that commotion, people kinda forget that even on CN, the game has no elemental resistance for enemies so logos and Virtuosa are basically true damage delete buttons, especially when combined. You dont need Wisadel to break the entire game if you have at least one of those necrosis dealers. Besides Logos isnt even limited like Virtuosa. If they ever release a 4 star that deals necrosis, they'll definitely break the entire 4 star nichknights unless it will jave same limitiations and drawbacks as Valarquin 🤔
Tell you what, when you have skill issue and aren't actually good at the game, there are some powerful operators that lose a ton of their power. I use texalter and yatoR but even then there are still times when i dont clear a stage perfectly lol but i dont like too braindead so i still wont use degen, mlynar, or wisadel S3. the former two mainly because i was never the biggest Guard fan
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The game is only gonna end when the cost of mantaining the servers are higher than the amount of money they produce. Until that moment, no gacha is gonna die. And Arknights is no exception.
I like both ways, actually. I like the "allmighty powerfull operators" that can solve any stage whenever you don't want a challange, and the lower rarity, the niche ones, the funny ones, even the "bad operators" for when you want to try something stupid, or "cool". It's just a game, and a lot of people always seem to forget it
Look at it straight, a lot of people in recent years spend a lot of times yapping and complaining about characters that not just even fictional, is also just a 8-bit code and PNGs online, no more no less.
honestly HG is a weird company. they are gacha game company but doesn't feel like so. the small example for that; they can literally can generate so much amount of money with the skin alone. like just slap Kal'tsit with a maid skin or give W the same skin as her trailer on her debut or give any other meta ops with L2D skins. However, they did none of that. Instead, they give a random 3* operator a FREE new skin and give us many free pulls and OP.
PS: I'm very grateful for their generosity but its just feels odds nonetheless. I just hope it doesn't hurt Arknights lifespan as a gacha game.
@@hikizutomomokaze1530Would you mind explaining what an 8-bit code is? Jkjk, but just for future reference, you won't have 8-bit code, because that's only a byte, which was way too little nowadays to even write a single character (letters, symbols, numbers) out. 8-bit code refers to ASCII characters, and I'm 99% sure Arknights isn't made of ASCII art.
It really depends on the situation with most of them. For example I Hate Ling with a burning passion but against the helldive that is IS I always borrow one (I skipped her banner) as her versatility in early game is really useful and by the time I can promote her (if at all) the stages are on a level where she doesn't feel nearly as busted as in regular stages.
@@rafliyaumil8812Because they don't make money out of skins. It's quite clear considering how even L2D ones can be bought with only OP gained from event and consistently rerun.
People: Wis'adel is dangerously strong
Me: It will make fine addition to my collection
As a five star player my problem with 6 stars is that they are expensive to build and also how broken they are, but i also don't play 4 stars only cus a thing kuma have mentioned, they don't have phalanx caster, same goes for fortress defender, liberator guard and so on, i guess i like 5 stars cus they won't insta break the game like 6 stars does but also not limiting me on options, i also don't like how 4 stars vanguards are bland but that would make this comment to long.
me with over a page full of e2 90 6* ops and then half a page of at least e2 70’s….oops ok but meme aside I still have plenty of resources I can just craft. I raise who I like and it saves me just enough to raise the next op I like. You gotta be handy with resources and just farm. Auto farm your sanity as usual and farm events you’ll be good. Like the too expensive thing ehhh yes really but that only exists if you do too many at once so if you do a 6* here and there that expensive part is not really as bad as it seems
So to be fair, Kal'tsit's IS module is absolutely cracked. It probably would be too strong in normal play. It's probably really good in IS as well, and medic recruits can be a bit annoying to be constantly getting so you might want a Kal'tsit.
Phantom on the other side is REALLY weak compared to Texas/Yato 2.0 . Now I can't say from first hand use (as I don't play CN) but running the numbers even with his IS module his skill 2 compared to Texas/Yato is competitive. He does about 2x the damage of Yato/Texas base, but Yato does hers in 1/10th the time in a small AoE and Texas can recast+the AoE burst at the start. So it's good, but it just "Makes Phatom sometimes as good as the best FRD".
People are probably angry because HG literally did the module perfectly; Buffed an unter-tuned unit in an interesting and intuitive way that plays to their unique kit so they now can stand close to the level of new ops. They then went "Oh, it's IS only BTW." Unless you get a free/instant promotion taking Phantom in IS over say Texas is a gamble that you MIGHT get a unit that is sometimes as good, instead of grabbing the better unit that when upgraded will be just as good.
Phantom with the new module is definitely not weak. It is difficult to make use of for sure. The "reset" mechanic of Texas alter now applies to Phantom, he resets the skill whenever the clone is deployed, the clone will have massively short redeploy time as long as he/it has something to attack. Laneholding while letting the clone harassing enemies at the same time with the cost 1 Deployment limit with Phantom is now possible.
Of course he will fall off and cannot replace Texalter/Kirito on higher floors, but this is the just exact amount of power I need from a FRD. Baiting is much easier especially with enemies attacking 2 targets simultaneously.
You can watch pard's video of Phantom starting squad in IS#5.
@@frankie391 I know how his module works and I agree he isn't weak at E2 with IS Module. He is (relative to the limited FRD) perfectly balanced. Technically a downgrade most of the time, but hold up well enough for 80% of content.
For me the solution to the game just being way to easy with decently build account was to just go for low op clears. This way I can play around with my shiny 6* operators and still need to think on how to clear the stage instead of just activating Młynar's skill. Turns out that when you don't have more ops to cover for his downtime Młynar has actual weakness and doesn't automatically solve most stages.
Since we only get actually hard map once in a blue moon coming up with some self imposed challenge makes regular events way more fun for me.
Degenbreacher and młynar are in the top of my list
Physical damage have always been put down by the fandom for being "cursed with the damage formula" due to it being a simple subtraction, but when you operator hits for 4k damage each hit, hit 6 enemies in a VERY wide range very quickly, its too easy at that point
Degenbreacher breaking the rule of hitting to gain SP made her too broken, she is młynar but laneholder
But she is vulnerable to ranged enemies, and relies on said skill to hit air enemies like all other Swordmasters. Degen IS broken with S3, but she cannot solo very strong bosses like those of ToN-4 or control half of the map. Wisadel can do both, completely trashes air and ground and can do this regardless of positioning -she on a completely different level of nonesense
@@brainless34wisadel cant hit air unless with s3 that have longcycle (her summon also cant hit air during offskill) so she is not good for drone spam stage whicg she only have low ammo as well
@@Eusthasia her crystals can :3
@@Eusthasia actually Ill take your word for it and say she cant
When in the world do you struggle in drone spam? And when do we even get such stages?
@@brainless34 well even młynar cant oneshot bosses so bad? And the ranged argument can be said for any melee operator unless theyre defenders, she is a laneholder that deletes EVERYTHING in her way, even irene cant compete because irene hits stuff with her skill, if enemies are behind and infront of her she will spread her bullets
I despise Wis'adel not because of how insane her kit is, but because she has something to do with "revenants", the same ghosts that powered the airship in episode 12. I could have made up DOZENS of characters that could have something to do with summoning revenants to fight for you, but you wanna know what HG did? THEY GAVE IT TO THAT DISGUSTING CREATURE! And to add salt to the wound, they made her a limited. Of course I'm going to pull for her (It would be stupid not to) but I am NOT happy about it!
My view on ops who are too strong is they are trump cards. I use them only when the stage is too tedious for me, and if I don't have enough free time to put up a more complex strategy with units I like a lot to use. I need to kill this boss quick and I don't want to play around him or just stall ? Huge debuffers or dpses. Something annoying from the other side of the map I don't want to deal ? Goldenglow. Don't want to care about damage over time ? Abyssal hunters, and so on.
The more a unit is strong and universal, the more its use will be rare for me (unless maybe in SSS where I want it to end quick but that's out of the point). The only strong things I use more often are flagpipe and skalter, and it's because they enable everything else I do (I always want to play Eunectes so she needs babysitting); or very strong niche units but it's satisfying to dusk them off at the right time. It is another debate, but I do enjoy when the events or bosses aren't complete nonsense so you can work out something with less (and yes it is always possible but I don't want to have to watch guides to do that !)
With each event i will start with a meme party, and see where they can go. My friends and i will sometimes just vote on dumb teamcomps to try. I'll add/swap people if the later maps are hard or the boss is tricky. Still, its fun to mix things up and discover synergies and combos with a new roster as you advance through maps.
Power creep is actually a vital part of progress. Raising operators costs resources and lots of resources for a 6 star, so a new operator needs to be at least slightly better than what I've already got, or it's a waste of resources, even if it's free (Lessing, I'm looking in your general direction).
I have a question for you, if you have a complete roster who can already beat the game, is it still a waste of resources to raise weaker ops? Your line of thought is something I see a lot, but I never get to see the whole extent of how people get to that conclusion
@@RewriteKuma the line of thinking is typically most common in gachas and competitive games like league where the devs are trying to sell you something. If the new character or whatever is weaker than previous characters, then gacha players are likely to skip the character, and competitive players are unlikely to buy the character and it's skins until it's buffed. Which means that characters need to be stronger and content needs to be harder or cater to that character to most reliably encourage people to spend money for said character. As opposed to relying on novelty or the waifu effect. The line of logic isn't about the health of the game. At least in a mechanical sense. It's far more about the financial side of the game, and the lack of trust devs have to make back their money on new characters. Which I'm not saying as derision, that's just standard in the industry nowadays.
@@wagz781 Maybe I didn't explain myself properly. I get that's why powercreep exists, I understand market tactics. The part I don't understand is why the players feel such a necessity for power, even when in a non-competitive environment, and when they can already beat the game without giving a second thought. That's what I want to understand
@@RewriteKuma Oh, well, that's just cope. Sounds fucked, but that's honestly what it is. That or they bought into marketing trying to sell them shit, basically.
@@RewriteKuma This seems like a question of personal values. What makes the game fun for a player. A person who exclusively builds operators that they perceive to be stronger would find building a weak operator as a waste of time and resources even if those resources were infinite. Their values (ie strong = fun) would make weak operators seem worthless and unbuildable. For an example of the reverse: In this video you showed kal'tsit at EO, if you had infinite resources would you build her? The reason given in the video of why shes not build have nothing to do with resources and you dont seems like a completionist. It seems to come down to your personal style of play and the type of fun youre trying to have in the game.
I’m so bad at the game that I don’t need to worry about how powerful the ops get
im suprised kirin and artoria did not get mentioned
Arturia is indeed very interesting and fun to use and has an awesome design, but Yato is a bit boring, other than watching her ERASE everything in range for the 0.5 seconds her skill lasts, she kinda does nothing, Texas feels more fun to use.
Phantom definitely needs a module to be relevant, truly annoying that his IS module is not available everywhere. Kalt'sit is fine without it though, broken operator.
Phantom wouldn't be relevant with the module either
@@quitw18 I can't say much about the current IS module, but if you make a strong enough module even Vigil can be relevant.
@@Khroniclas I really love using Vigil so a good module will make a happy doktah
When it comes to 6 stars... I typically only use, Angelina or Dorothy. And it is mainly Dorothy because traps are fun.
Ling is an operator I like running but typically don't because busted.
I enjoy the game the most when I play with the characters I like as -characters-. And I should say: I love playing Degenbrecher despite what everyone says! Her event? Some of the best Arknights writing. Her scenes? Delightful. And her kit... I do find it surprisingly fitting to her character. Yes, it's simple af. But so is her fighting style in canon: it's no technique, no style, just a lot of strength, speed and violence. So I do feel sparks of joy in my soul when I play her despite people complaining "she has the most boring kit boo". I'm happy. That's what matters.
I'm not a super player who only uses 4-stars (and I have no real motivation to when I don't care about, uhm, Cuora's lore or something. Some are brilliant though, like Roberta).
Not to say I'm a "brainless" style adept either: I sometimes attempt Kjerag clears, and to these Degenbrecher was a salvation. But I think I am a player who spends more time reading Arknights than playing the stages, and I love it that way.
TL;DR play the game the way you like, there's still plenty of choices
This logic is partly why I almost never max out a 6* operator or give them masteries. Sure, Mlynar isn’t weak at just sl7 and e2 level 50, but he’s less of a solution to everything.
i'm surprised mlynar never came up, since he was the cause of a handful of ak content creators to leave the scene.
I feel you. While I have some broken 6-stars I bring out for the really hard stages (Texalter and Goldenglow mostly), I usually prefer to stick to 4 and 5 stars because the game is decently challenging with them, and they give room for more creative strategies most of the time. In fact, in the upcoming banners, I'm a lot more exited about the 5 and 4 stars than the 6 stars. Iana and Fuze look really fun to use, Lutonada has an awesome design, Fang alter is a character I've been waiting for a long time and one of my favourite characters (Amiya) getting a form in one of my favourite classes (Incantation Medic) is the cherry on top.
That being said, I wanted to mention that there's one 6-star that I think is really well designed, because it allows for both creative and fun strategies AND just being a "delete button". And that's Ray. Her S2 is really fun to play with, it requires a lot of consideration and map knowdlege; and while it's good, it still keeps that heavy drawback of having to reload the weapon if you mess up and cycle her sandbeast badly. On the other hand, if you just want big stuff to die ASAP, you equip her S3 and that's it.
Personally, I don't mind strong operators but I don't like when the design of their kit is just boring and only focused on making them stronger than others.
Someone like Degenbrecher or Wisadel, they're very similar to the operators in their archetype but they just has their downside erased away for the sake of making them stronger and that's boring.
You don't want Walter because she is overpowered, I don't want her because I hate her fanbase, we are not the same.
I haven't dwell in the pool of her fanbase. What are they like? What does annoy you? Their simping?
Is it the wei weis?
honestly I want her because I pulled original W with 300 pull, the fact the pity got reduced to 200 make me want to pull wisadel and not use her
The only reason I like her is because I always see her as a bratty older sister. But I get it the fanbase is pretty weird lol.
Hate her fanbase ? What does that mean ? It’s a totally lunar statement.
So, I don't think Wis'adel being powercrept would be very good, let alone healthy. She is so cracked it isn't funny. For comparison with Typhon (another recent physical damaged ranged OP with big range and comparable skill cycle.
Typhon does about ~113,243.2 damage per skill before defense. She also does ignore up to 60% of enemy defense after the first barrage.
Wid'adel does about 80,757.6~149,401.56 [91,054.194 on average]. This is also done in a MASSIVE AoE (though secondary targets do take 25% less damage). The hits also deal (noncrit) 6.8k+2x3.4k damage, so any defense that can actually stop her renders every other physical DPS super duper useless anyway.
Oh, Wis'adel is also camouflaged as long as any of her 3 super tanking summons are alive. Like Curora level of tank, but with +50 res added on top. Which also deal an additional ~70k DPS during her skill.
For another comparison, Ray has more skill DPS, but she only does about ~78k peak skill damage, so even if she kills faster her total skill damage is less. Let alone her lack of range or adds.
So yeah, we have a competitor for the best ranged DPS in the game, which also hits AoE, which is also (almost) un-killable as long as her literal ranged tank decel binder swarm is alive. Which also re-summons it's self every skill cycle (37-80 seconds). Wis'adel is literally an entire squad unto herself.
Ok, I'm willing to agree with you that W alter's powercreep is unhealthy, but only if you can explain to me how is she different from the others we had before. The same was said for Surtr, Ling, Ch'en alter, Mlynar, and maybe some others in between. You could say that W alter beats anything alone, but that has been the case for most stages anyway with other strong operators. I'm not against the idea that powercreep is bad, but I don't see how she is any different. Is it just because her numbers are bigger? Well, if that is the case of course they will make them even bigger later. Is it because it's scary to think how Arknights would be if they designed the game around these busted characters? That would be a compelling argument, but we don't get rewards for completing the highest level of difficulty they throw at us, and those only exist on seasonal events or alternative game modes; and even if you want to consider those modes, they still are beaten by weaker operators, so it's hard to imagine Arknights designing for W alter and equivalents, because at that point, less than a handfull of players would be able to play the game. So That's where I'm at, I don't see it
@@RewriteKuma Most of them have downsides in addition to having less potential DPS.
-Surtr kills herself after a while while also having much worse target count+range and cannot hit air. Also has lower peak ST DPS.
-Ling is your entire team. Yes she is strong but her full power takes up 7 Deployment slots (and over 100 DP) and she can only be in 3 (4) places at once for such a cost. Not to mention the time to deploy all her dragons. . .
-Chen Alter has much lower range, higher cost and less DPS for comparable damage/skill cycles.
-Mylnar does literally nothing during his downtime and he needs his full downtime to be at full power. He also looses damage with each kill, has the lowest base attack (makes him a bad buff target) and he still does less ST DPS than Wis'adel.
These comparisons also ignore the triplet of 3.5k HP 800 def and attack ranged summons that have 50 res Decel Binders that Wis'adel summons. Which grant her camo when any of them are on the field.
Yeah, you need to deal ~21k arts damage (or at least ~13k phys) between skill uses to even be allowed to attempt to kill Wis'del while getting a nuclear strike repeatably called to your postal code.
@@zancloufer It's insane how she has no downsides.
@zancloufer ok, so you see it as an operator having no downsides makes for a bad situation, and you think W having more damage than the previous strongest ops is bad.
But let's think what that realistically affects. W alter might make a difference in some low op clears, just like Ling did and to this day she's there soloing stages. That side of competitive Arknights is indeed in a sad state, but that's the case even without W or Ling. You could argue that W is easier to play with, that's fair, and if that's what bothers you, that the strongest op is easy to use, then I can't say anything.
W alter will also allow you to bring her in alongside other strong operators just because someone wants to, to easily beat any stage in the game; but in this case, we already have lots and lots of squads that do the exact same. Maybe you think it's a problem that beginners will have easy access to her and being able to run past everything will make for a less enjoyable experience. I've seen that happening with other operators as well, it won't be a new problem. Maybe having too many of those can be a real problem, but from my perspective, we already have gone past the point where we have too many busted ops and having one more doesn't change the beginner experience.
If all that really bothers you is just the damage numbers, since you brought up the numbers again, then I'm sorry, but W is not the first one to have absurd numbers. Maybe you don't remember, but the fuss a while ago was about how some 6★ where getting over 100k damage. Things have been tranding up for a long time, and it's not W who breakes the bank. If you really think the numbers are the problem, you need to explain to me why, because as I told you, the numbers we already have are more than enough to beat any enemy in the game, and adding more to that changes nothing.
I actually want to understand, but it's not by saying "the problem is that she powercreeps" that you will convince me that her powercreep is a problem, because she is not the first or second to do that, and every time one of these operators came out, nobody saw a flaw in them as well
@@RewriteKuma I mean it's also the fact that she is yet another time limited alter that power-creeps an entire archtype into (relative) worthlessness. She also ignores the main weakness (cannot hit air) that flingers use to have.
It's just the annoyance of all these under-tuned ops being ignored while crazier and crazier new ones get introduced. There is also always the small fear that HG will start balancing around stronger ops because we have too many game shattering operators. I swear bosses gimmicks and/or stats are trending upwards while the gap between the best and worst operators are getting bigger and bigger.
The fun part is that we are all difetent people with diferent tastes, I LOVE broken operators that explode everything around, and there are people who like a more challenge gameplay, both sides are ok, its just taste :)
Yes we only want to complain, is what humans do and the easier way to make friends, just try next time you're waiting on a line😂
Talking bout kaltsit, we still dont have another kaltsit type since eventhough she is categorized as single target like shining etc, she has longer range than other medic which is not from talent. Kind of hoping for sui sibling to be the next kaltsit like medic, since as muxh as shu good as healing defender still would like another healer that actually help dps as well (so incantation or kal type) for aui knight
About Kaltsits character, I feel like she developed a sort of a hero complex where she thinks she is the only one who can handle the situation(minus few examples that I won’t list)
Yet she ignores a lot of incident that could had a possible worst outcome by being indifferent. For me, her indifferent trait of her caused by her lifespan fall on a flat side of character.
@@ГлебВинокуров-с8ы There is also the fact that she has failed at solo leveling before, against Theresis
I like power creep. I do think the power creeping is vital to any game that has progression.
But i do respect you think isnt funny.
For some it is. For some it isnt.
The game have a playstyle for everyone. Choose one. Be happy and the main thing. Have fun with it.
For me personally I like to play the game with “themed” teams, operators of the same faction / group / race. For example the “church” team where i use only operators from laterano, or the Rhodes Island team where i use only operators that are listed as actual RI employees in the archives (not operators that are “external collaborators” with RI.
And in that regard i don’t care really about their power, in the same team there could be 6 stars, 5 or 4 stars, even 3 stars! Also because to me playing like that the 6 stars really feel more like “elites” that stand out compared to the others and save the day when their weaker companions are in trouble.
I like the argument you said before ,i want a w alter but i want too Jessica alter, i don't know what to choose.
brutal meu mano
A Arturia foi minha primeira Wifu no jogo e eu tive que aposenta-la porque ela simplesmente mata TUDO sozinha
Eu fui um dos sortudos que consegue Arturia em menos de 60 pulls. Ela no E1 S7 já e forte para caramba. O mais impressionante dela é que você nem precisa de masteries ou upar elas depois de E2 de tão forte que ela é
8:00 "The topic today is not about how to not be a gambling addict today" ....next video- How to be a gambling addict today
Having Irene's defense ignore made her my go to when playing SSS. Then Degenbrecher came out. Man Degen's s3 lasts so long and it's so easy to charge up compared to Irene. Makes me sad for the birb. I still use her though :(
Carnelian Mentioned *Vibrates* I really wish her modules where better, I'm hedging on delta module at this rate cause Plitopsis is a must bring QnQ
Usually whenever there are certain configurations or types that they avoid putting into stages, it's usually because of a six star, like how they tend to avoid Ifrit lanes or how enemies will very seldom be silencable because Lappland exists, But then you have Jaye meaning that they barely ever make strong enemies infected creatures.
I do like playing with the really fancy features so I do tend to run a lot of six stars, though my pull priorities have a lot to do with how weird an operator's kit is. I have definitely left ops not fully built to keep them from getting too strong.
I do think there is something to phantom being irrelevant in IS because being a six star he takes the same amount of hope as any six star and is competing for the same voucher as Texas/Specter alter/Dorothy.
Some Characters are just not meant to be played by X people because they just don't fit the playstyle/niche or because of Design/Fanbase issues.
I will never pull for W or Muelsyse myself, unless they spook me offbanner but even with that, i just won't build them.
In the end we have our own taste/preferences and people need to respect that.
Power! Unlimited power!... Wait wrong line...
i use her a lot since i used my 6* selector and even if she don't have these press to win button like mylnar,degen,W,etc
Ines makes everything so much more easier to do, she have fast skill cycle and redeploy,can be an early laneholder and above all,her flag can reveal and slow down enemies without taking slot
invisible enemies always are a pain in the ass and she alone trivialize this
I play an odd mix of 6, 5 and 4 stars. The only thing that remains consistent is that they're not exactly the ebst mix with one another. Heck, I don't really have the best heavyhitters built like silverash, mlynar, surtr, ling. I also pretty much sort of ignore the convenient operators and plays the sorta troublesome ones. Dreadnoughts, trappers,
Roar!
woa I didnt expect a whole video out of this. I agree so much at one point I was rolling for everything that seemed cool and interesting, but I noticed I cant really use them as I either obliterate enemy before I do the flashy flash or I just default to meta ops I already had. but since I started nicheknights it was so dope, no healing and no arts source really hit me and was fun to go around with indra as only source of both lol, but then reed came.... and kinda overpowered whole game, I love playing with her, especially melting bosses with S2, but when I wanna play the game, I sadly need to put her aside 😢.
Wisadel has a pretty fun S2 that I want to use instead of her S3, and she's a limited, and she's a 6 star Sniper. These are the only reasons im pulling Wisadel
The release of Walter and how absurdly broken she is, made me regret sparking for W during og Texalter banner... I also hate Texalter 😂
Call me crazy but I'd like to beat the events as efficiently as possible because arknights is like 1 of 5 games that I play, not including my other hobbies like shooting, reading, watching shows, etc. So having ops like Typhon or Texalter or Eyja alter that reduce or remove difficulty is very helpful. My niche is "whatever beats the stage the fastest".
Not to say that niche players are wrong, but I've got other things to do than build sub-par ops and get migraines from doing a welfare only CC run.
the only time i'm contemplating not playing an amazing operator is when people hyping an operator too much. i just quickly lose interest in said operator
maybe the reverse but some units are just abyssmal,
Frostleaf has such a cool design, we even got a very nice skin for free! but the ATK speed reduction on her passive makes her getting outdamaged by Midnight and feels like she isn't worth using at all.
If it's a hard mode like Sand or IS or SSS or Trials or CC, sure, I'll use everyone. Everything else, sparing on ops like Yato Alter, Mlynar, Ling, Degenbrecher, Goldenglow, Typhon.
I've never been a meta player, I use units because I like them and that's it. Usually means I like how they look/their lore and very rarely for what they do (virtuosa S2). But I wont use them just because they are strong, I have thorns and haven't touched him, same with Ling, Mylnar and Degen.
My main squad uses Myrtle, Lappy, La Pluma, Shining, Siege, Ceobe, Hoshi, Eunectes, Skadi and Gravel with room to switch around. Plus I no unit will ever get a higher than Gravel as she is my fav and best girl so has to be number 1. But I still have a team of 4* and a no 6* squad who so far I have been able to use to beat every normal version of bosses in the game.
true. I have most of meta ops built on but rarely used them outside IS stage.
I do some silly strat lately. like aak and gummy carry.
the cope for stun proc is hilarious but fun things to do.
I raise the strongest Operators because I want the easiest possible time in the game. I'm a casual, small brain player and I don't have hours to spend trying and retrying something until it's successful. I play other games and have my personal life, so being able to quickly clear content and enjoy the story, and buy new characters and skins is my goal.
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this is not even the first time this happens chen alter on release was also controversial for being too strong and simply having a boring/simple gameplay people said that she felt like a unit made to suck money with little to no effort behind it
I just got Swire alter who I really wanted after learning about her 3 skill, I was also going for Reed alter but failed to get her and so I am saving for ascalon, 5th anniversary, and ulpianus and maybe Inis in "the front that was," although I am planning on getting 300 pulls to get a skadi alter in the 5th anniversary.
I wish they make a strong operator just like jaye. Sushiman already strong from the beginning even with E0lvl1. But there is a limited of dmg that he can deals.
Not some hydrogen bomb called Wisadel. Even when her offskill dps still busted.
Walter is too much of a jump of power spike on this game. We need to bring back POO Gundam as the standard of new bosses.
The bosses and all the other enemies won't scale to follow wisadel, or at the very least, it's not expected to be the case; me and many other players continue to beat the game with low rarity ops and weaker squads, and that's because the stats on enemies hasn't changed much since year 2, what has changes is stage design and enemy skill set. The powercreep on operators has always been a reality, and wisadel doesn't really change much, she's just another drop of water on a full cup.
But tbh I sometimes wish to see a reality where Arkngihts decides to make enemies that require the stronger ops on a daily basis, just to see how many players would actually be able to play the game, and I bet on less than a handful
@@RewriteKuma Honestly, I'm agree to that idea. We need something like SV stage would be another great example. The stage where you cant just wipe out the enemy and just brute force it. The stage where you need a proper strat to finish it. I'm still amaze of the mad lad who stall the "SV eggs creature" with a cliftheart (facing backwards) for literal twenty minutes. They used her s2 to cancel her attack animation. The min max of every operator to their max potential use is really pleasing to watch. I didn't even know that game mechanic was exist to begin with.
Tbh, compared to that strat. IS4 d15 double ending looks like 1-7 lmao.
The hardest we can get right now is doing relicless d15 run but then again. Its just tryhard mode. Not actually min-maxing the ops potential usage.
I don't like 6 stars in general. Not because of their power but because their 3rd skill and 2nd talent is locked behind E2. Getting an operator to E1 80 is too expensive LMD&XP-wise, E2ing that operator is exoensive resource-wise and sometimes the things i was interested in were locked behind lvl 3 module(such as global ASPD buff of Angelina). It just takes waaay too much time to experience what the 6star operator in question is truly capable of. I'll have someone else E2 90 M9 Walter or whatever crackhead operator and I'll just borrow them once i feel cheesy.
well lore W is strong to begin with, and its not a problem if she strong, you can limit your self by not use her or u can just leave her skill on level 1. she is limited too, so need to make sure she is worth the pull by making her strong
I'm not much of a META player and built plenty of 5-stars and 4-stars, I still want to perform at my best... but my latest 6-star additions just steal the show completely. I rarely ever use now a non 6-star now due to the power difference, the 1-2 DP cost trade is so meaningless since mirtle...
I totally get you. I realized that problem right after I started playing, back in 2021, but in my case I refused to leave behind some of my favorites just because they were weaker; and now I have fun playing with only 4 stars.
That's just the game that Arknights is, it was never meant to be well balanced or a challenge. It's unfortunate sometimes.
I love having strong operators to obliterate enemies when I am in the mood. I also like weaker operators to have fun with at time.
I like to avoid using big damage ops like Surtr, Ifrit, and Eyja. Nothing against their characters - they are very cute respectfully.
But using them kinda feels *too* easy.
So I’ll try to use Passenger, Corroserum, Minimalist, or Ebenholz in their places lol. Just for flavor and nothing else.
Oh my bf’s account, I tried using other casters, and man, the difference between Eyja’s S2 and the rest of the core casters’ damage is HUGE. There isn’t a good in-between imo. 😭
I’ve raised both Absinthe and Kjera and although I love their character designs and the variety of their kits, their skills often don’t charge quick enough or do significantly enough dmg to handle their own. It’s like these 5-star casters are built with a slight debuff to never be too good, which makes sense because this is a gacha, yet 4-star Click can be a better replacement for either of them in my experience. What a joke lol.
could be your chance to try to balance busted operators like wisadel by keeping them at skill level 1
I personally would never level up broken characters I don't like (mlynar for example), and even if the character I love is ruined by "omg so broken" skillset and I build them I end up rarely using them because they make my experience too boring. both degenbrecher and walter were ruined for me because "activate broken skill with no weakness and easy win". like bruh I'm not a game journalist I don't need that
As a new player (3 months~} I need some of the best operators for a efficient progress and myself being smooth brained.. well I guess need those 6 star. Why would I build 4 star squad that maybe required more mats when I could build few 6 star to carry me?
For me, its usually not the operator but certain skills the operator has. I still avoid using Exu s3, Eyja s3, SA s3. Those kinds of skills, mainly SA and Eyja are not fun for me. I will use them when their usage comes up but I never keep those skills in mind when approaching stages. I used Exu s1, SA s1, and Eyja s2 as my default skills for those operators.
In general, I don't find skills that have a long skill cost to be fun to play with, regardless of the power level of the skill. Skadi, Shining, Nightingale, Dusk, Nian, Suzu, Saria, Eyja Alter, Virtuosa all of their s3s and Rosa s2 I avoid using in a vast majority of content.
And speaking for myself, I tend to pick "unconventional" skills to m3 of the 6*s. How many people do you know that m3'd SA s1 and s2 not because they're an SA simp but because they actually like using those skills? I only have Chen s2 m3'd and nothing else. Only s2 for Shining and Nightingale, only s1 for Ceobe. I could keep going but hopefully you get the point. I'm not above using the super strong skills and ops but I don't typically use them.
Well, in my opinion, wisadel is more likely intended as the easy mode for low stars player or as a delete button for braindead dokutahs like me.😂
Ai irmão, tu é br ou existe outro sotaque MUITO parecido com o nosso?
sou br sim, é nois
@@RewriteKuma nem ferrando, assisto vc faz um tempo e nunca pensei q tu seria br, que foda man
Personally i dont like W alter cuz welp, cuz she is like one button and all the enemies are gone (also her personality is kinda meh), if i pull for her it will only be for collection, also i already have the pink pedo wolf and typhoon cuz i already have them built and are really good snipers, and more importantly i have fun playing with them
Also is kinda weird that one of the archetypes like the centurion guards powercreep is nothing to be afraid of (for the moment) cuz almost every centurion guard is really good
(sorry english is not my naitive languaje)
You (plural) dont max out Operators to not make the game seem easy, I dont max out my Operators because I cant (I cant stop E2-ing characters I find hot/cool)
Jokes aside, most of my Operators are E2 lv20 or lv30, the game is beatable but harder content (D15 of IS and high difficulties of CC) will erase me. I know leveling them up to higher levels will help but I just cant (and cant be bothered to do so)
I don't know if this as hot a take as it feels like but man o man there is no operator I hate more than mlynar.
I don't care how strong he is his kit is so god damn boring to me.
*stand there and do nothing*
*kill everything*
*return to doing nothing*
I didn't think they could make true silver slash more boring but they did.
He doesn’t just do *nothing…* He reads his newspaper.
I don't understand, can you not just play with them underleveled?
no, I like maxing ops
Kuma, you often say that powercreep is not a problem because stages aren't being powercrept alongside them. I initially agreed, but after thinking about it for a while, I think that's not entirely correct. I find it hard to argue that the first few events, such as (I'm going by the in-game Side Story order here, so I might be slightly out of order) Grani and the Knights' Treasure, Heart of Surging Flame, Code of Brawl etc. are easier than our current events.
Of course, this may seem unimportant, and you might argue that after some time, the power level did stop to rise. However, I think it is hard for old players to appreciate how hard the new events are for new players. After all, old players have a lot more experience when a new event comes around. So an old player might even feel that it's easier to beat new events with low rarity ops than old events with strong ops, simply because they have much more experience.
Notably, off the top of my head, I think that Dorothy's Vision, Vernal Winds, Lingering Echoes, and The Leader, Clip Cliff, and Andoain, are especially hard for new players, requiring new players to pay attention to many more things than a regular stage in order to stand a chance, and/or being DPS checks (it's unlikely for a new player to be able to substantially stall Clip Cliff, Andoain, and obviously not Dorothy Vision boss, for instance).
I conjecture that old events were balanced around new players playing the game for the first time, whilst newer events are balanced around older players. Therefore, in order to make new players able to clear them, HG puts out strong operators. I further conjecture that powercreep is done to attract new players and players who had quit because the game is too hard.
I remember as a newbie, the first event that started after I joined was Dorothy's Vision (I started on March 1), and I struggled for hours to beat DV-EX-8, using Ling. Of course in hindsight I look at arkrec and realize Ling has a 2-op with Spot, but I think it was a difficult challenge. I was unable to beat CM either; though again in hindsight I look at arkrec and realize Ling has a 2-op with Skalter (which can be substituted with any decent damage dealer and a healer). But now, Wisadel solos it, and two-ops CM with Cardigan, because she can partially ignore the main challenges of the stage, that being the map-wide damage, the constant waves with multiple lanes, combined with the threat of high-danger mechs awakening. Of course Wisadel isn't better at Ling at low-op, and the Wisadel clears certainly aren't easy, but I find it hard to believe that Wisadel wasn't made with the intention of making the game much easier.
Which brings me to my main point: One of the problems with this intermittent powercreeping may be that if you don't start with one of these strong whilst easy-to-use operators, new players will find Arknights too difficult; but instead of making the new player experience easier, or making new players feel less bummed about taking a long time to clear their first event, etc., HG seems to want players to spend.
It's like, "Oh, our game is unreasonably hard [to new players], but if you just spend money for this operator, and if this operator is on the banner when you join the game in the first place, it'll be so much easier!" I argue that this is predatory. It's like those games where you occasionally get an impossibly hard stage that forces you to buy powerups to progress, just that Arknights is more subtle, and has a gacha system. I also argue that this does a disservice to new players who might actually derive more enjoyment from eventually conquering an event, rather than doing so because they rolled for a nuke button and leveled it up to E2.
Furthermore, players who do not look up the meta might find the game extremely different from other players, based on what operators they started out with. And, well, it's pretty hard to allow multiple players have very different power levels, and still ensure they are getting the "full" enjoyment from the game.
I also remember a friend of mine seeing that I was at JT8-3, and had lost the fight, and he mentioned how he was stuck there for some months, and that it was a really hard stage. Really hyped me up then I beat it like 2 attempts later. Funnily enough jt8-3 is also one of the few other stages that Wisadel is better than Ling at if you're counting rarity (as in, Wisadel + Mayer clears and is a 6*+5* as compared to Ling duos which were always with another 6*). Kinda funny that, from what I can tell, Wisadel is outranking Ling in the arkrec tier list for low-op solely because Ling has anti-synergy with Mayer and Deepcolor, who are obviously among the best; albeit I don't think that tier list is very accurate.
So, yes, stages are no longer going up in difficulty, but they are already sufficiently high up in difficulty that new players will take quite some time to beat them without the strongest operators.
Hasn't Arknights always been like that, though? Sure, Grani was easy, but Wolumonde was a Year 1 event, and it felt like a nightmare for a middle level abilities player like me on release. Managing EX8 Mudrock was a headache without bursting her with SA+Eyja+Angelina aka the leading DPS of the time, very tight micromanagement. I remember physically crying at how many attempts that stage took me on Challenge mode on its release.
The only thing that's changed is that previously they'd recommend you to roll SA/Eyja for easy clears, and now they'd recommend you to roll Mlynar/Logos instead.
And if you're a high ability player, you'll clear both Mudrock and Cliff with 4*.
Wisadel caused quite a commotion but honestly she has same effect on the game as Surtr's release back in the day. At the time we didn't have many operators to begin with and 6 stars were just better versions of 4 and 5 stars but not really broken (yes Kaltsit is kinda broken but not close to Surtr level of broken). And in all that commotion, people kinda forget that even on CN, the game has no elemental resistance for enemies so logos and Virtuosa are basically true damage delete buttons, especially when combined. You dont need Wisadel to break the entire game if you have at least one of those necrosis dealers. Besides Logos isnt even limited like Virtuosa. If they ever release a 4 star that deals necrosis, they'll definitely break the entire 4 star nichknights unless it will jave same limitiations and drawbacks as Valarquin 🤔
Nonsense, more power. XD
Tell you what, when you have skill issue and aren't actually good at the game, there are some powerful operators that lose a ton of their power.
I use texalter and yatoR but even then there are still times when i dont clear a stage perfectly lol
but i dont like too braindead so i still wont use degen, mlynar, or wisadel S3. the former two mainly because i was never the biggest Guard fan
Pq eu odeio tanto o sotaque brasileiro? Kkkkk
Amazing operator I won't play with? Windflit
Pros - CUTE
Cons - USELESS
I raised Windflit and it’s much funner to use to the summons on himself. He’ll be the star of that stage.