How can we CRUSH the "Second American Revolution"? (with Thom Hartmann) | The Michael Steele Podcast
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- Michael Steele speaks with Progressive radio host, Thom Hartmann. The pair discuss rebuilding America's middle class and the need to re-transfer wealth from the top 1%. They also discuss the failures of messaging by Democrats, types of Conservatism shaped by Eisenhower and Reagan, and the implications of Project 2025.
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00:00 Cold Open
0:02:31 Interview Begins
0:03:48: America's Psyche
0:08:22 How the U.S Economy is Doing
0:11:23 How the Economy Serves the Top 1%
0:16:27 Union Movements in America
0:21:23 Rebuilding the American Middle Class
0:23:22 Biden Stepping Out of the Race
0:25:37 Is Biden Too Old to Run for President?
0:28:45 Thom Hartmann's Conservative Upbringing
0:31:11 Younger Generations Questioning the Norms
0:32:44 Eisenhower vs. Reagan Conservatives
0:35:01 Messaging and Organizational Strategy for Democrats
0:38:30 Project 2025 and a "Second American Revolution"
0:47:16 Using Messaging to Acquire Political Power
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I'm 60 yrs. I'm a army veteran. I worked the first 20 yrs non union and the last 20 union. I wouldn't have a pension without working union.
Dad wouldn't had a pension if he hadn't been a member of ALF-CIO during his 31 years at GM. 1948-1979.
I don't have a pension.
Interesting, I just turned 60 on April same, army during the cold war. And yes, I was a republican, if you want to know? But, until Reagan's 1st year into his second term I got caught up with what was happening in Germany and the world. I realized what my party was saying and what was happening? In our country didn't fit! I paused for 5 years before I realized, that the Democrat party became the republican party and republican party became the Democratic party... back in history!😢😅😂
I wish I had a pension.
I want there to be more unions and better worker rights. However, non union jobs with pensions exist, even if they're much less common than they used to be.
Bernie Sanders has been making the wealth transfer case for a very long time and that is why the people love him❤
And he can't win any relevant election. Yeah, Bernie is so popular. 😂
@@yvonneplant9434He won 69 of the 72 Counties in Wisconsin when He was running,( primary) He got screwed, He did similar to that in other States
@@yvonneplant9434Don't know what you consider relevant but he's been in Congress a long time.
@@yvonneplant9434guiding policy in the Biden administration....strengthening unions, medicare, absolving student debt....ALL of that is 'Bernie policy', in case you haven't noticed.
I love Bernie💙🇺🇸
I am voting blue for democracy and the Supreme Court, it doesn't matter if it's Joe or not.
The Supreme Court does matter and several are corrupt, shame
I'm voting red for our republic and the Supreme Court, it doesn't matter if it's Trump or not.
Are you drunk?@@Lerian_V
If you're voting for democracy, you're going to have to get involved at the primary level.
It does not appear that either the Republicans, or the group of Democrats behind Biden are especially democratic.
It's going to take a generation of targeted democratic support in the primaries to make a dent in this Federal government of foreign investors, by foreign investors, for foreign investors.
@@Lerian_V Trollfarm trumpbotski is that you!? :P
I'm voting Blue. I hope we will rally around Joe and Kamela. As a working class American I can 't think of any Republicans that were on our side.
Kamala
@@niradnagrom2356Kamala was never a Republicon ffs
Not even Kinsinger and Liz Cheney, though they did side with us, regarding Trump's treasonous behavior toward our country.
Words cannot express how happy I am to encounter ONE person who understands the difference between conservative and reactionary.
He does. Been watching over the years.
Absolutely 💯 @@onomatopoeia162003
Thom Hartman is genuinely a really good person. He is smart and knows his history. thanks for having him on
I hope Joe Biden will stay as President as long as he can physically do this job.
❤🙏💯⚖️💪🇺🇲💪⚖️💯🙏❤️
I agree.
Biden has always stuttered, that dont bother me. He is still doing a good job, brilliant in fact.
Sad how illiterate the citizens have become that they care more about a president looking a certain way than what they have accomplished. Awful. 😣
Biden has done an INCREDIBLE JOB!!!! He could be in a wheelchair and I’d vote for him. He’s experienced, brilliant, tactical, and has compassion and empathy like nobody else. He has been one of us and he’s suffered so much loss. I’m sick seeing how shallow so many citizens can be. The alternative reality with a Trump presidency is just NOT AN OPTION. 😡
You don’t know the overreaching legislation his administration passed.
@@MrEye4get so what was overreaching??
I finally agreed with Michael Steele about something:. Newt Gingrich was the start of the decline of the GOP.
Reagan was. Gingrich was just a progression of Reagan’s policies.
2028 will be about ~6 decades
@jimfisher1616,no,that was Reagan.Gingrich cheapened it,Limbaugh lied about it
Reagan took some cues from Nixon.
@@LCamp-cr7fs Agree ! Reagan first then Gingrich
It’s very important that ever remember we vote for an administration, not just one person. Project 2025 was explicitly written by several members of the last Trump administration. I’d rather vote for a tomato than fascism.
Indeed. The problem with this 4 year cycle of presidential elections is how much the better campaigner tends to be the winner. Who can be quicker and more clever, and put more zingers and one liners into the media more consistently. The better campaigner does not at all imply a better governor which is the actual job. It's like if job interviews for plumbers were dance contests.
That is a structural problem with Presidential Republic systems. There are pros and cons of this compared to Parliamentary Republic but it seems to be an increasing bigger problem in the ever fractured media landscape, performative culture and short attentions spans.
I love tomatoes!
How do we beat the fascists? First of all, stop letting them label themselves as "the Second American Revolution".
Project 2025 is basically the Heritage Foundation wishlist. The Heritage Foundation often has some influence over Republicans administrations, just like progressive or center left think tanks often influence Democrat admins. Doesn't mean that it's necessarily "Trumps plan" or that he signs off on all of it. Anyone who pays any attention should know that Heritage has always had disagreements with Trump and the new base. Heritage are more establishment Republicans as far as economics go, for example. Aka, free market fundamentalist cringe.
@chickenfishhybrid44 this might be more convincing if the republican party platform was specific and clear. It's not. They will fill the gaping vacuum in republican leadership if Trump wins.
So glad to have Michael Steele on the Bulwark platform.
He hasn't stopped being a conservative. Bulwark folks haven't either.
Yay!
The once head of the RNC having Thom Hartmann as a guest talking about Reagan’s Trickle Down Destruction of Unions, the middle class and American. This is FREAKING AWESOME! It’s also an anti-fascist coalition 🙂
1000% agree. I love Michael, because he accepts facts. He is an an important voice.
Secret Service need to protect America not Trump.
It's unbelievably refreshing to hear a conservative acknowledge that "trickle down" economics was probably always a load of BS, even if he bought into it at the time.
The problem with trickle down was it was trickle out since all the manufacturing had gone overseas. All that came back was what came to the stockholders.
First time I heard that, I could see the rich upper class urinating on the rest of America.
You give money to the rich, they keep it. You give it to the poor, they have to spend it in the stores of the rich. Money trickles UP.
People bought into slavery at the time too. Ang there are still companies that benefited from it in business today, but they keep quite .
Biden did well on press conference. Vote Biden
Finally someone on the Bulwark who isn't a Reagan fanboy.
I have never understood the love and honor of Reagan! He was just an actor, for god’s sake, and not a very good one either. It was name recognition and movie roles that got him elected ! He was wealthy so naturally he was a republican.
@@JGLy22086he was good at speaking,but his policies were mostly for the rich.
Thank you Michael for having Thom Hartmann on the podcast! You are both so intelligent. Thom know history and is so well spoken!
Reagan brought us the "right to work" and it was the start of people having to work more than one job plus a loss of benefits.
Right to work for nothing is more apt.
Right to work laws didn't start with Reagan lmao
@@chickenfishhybrid44 It was enacted in my state in 1985 under Reagan.
As a European, I'm always shocked to read that some Americans need to have more than one job to survive.
Regan also stopped the low income housing program and started the homeless crisis in addition to the corporate predatory practice that allowed the selling off of the acquired
We need a new Supreme Court to reverse Citizens United. #Project2025
This! I've been screaming about Citizens United for years!
@@kykwiltz402 ME TOO!
May I please suggest you be ready to defend yourself from all of the GOP / Heritage Foundation idiots. IT IS GOING TO GET VERY UGLY.
"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."
-David Frum
They are already rejecting democracy right now.
Bingo Because in reality the term "conservative" doesn't equal fair and democratic apparently. It should but........the term has come to mean a selfish "me first" Libertarian approach with a whole lot of BIAS thrown in...i.e Racism.
These are the kinds of conversations we need to have. Why doesn’t this happen more often in our democracy?
Ppl seeking #Truth and protecting our democracy.
I can't even tell you how many liberals here in Wisconsin forwarded "Michael Steele is on Bulwark!" to me. We Dems are strong here in the Cheese State. PLEASE help us make the case!
Just let Thom Hartmann speak uninterrupted to address how to transfer obscene One Percenters' wealth ($51T) back to the middle-class - and please bury the wrong economic Reagan /GOP "Trickle down" crap.
I'm glad Biden just mentioned this in his speech, something to the the effect of :"I've wanted to kill the idea of 'trickle down' my whole career."
As a young adult who survived the trickle down plan, all I felt was that I was pissed on. It required a lot of debt to survive.
Thom is the man! Thanks Michael for having this conversation. Cheers mates!
Thank you for focusing on Project 2025!
I’m a former conservative and I just wanna say that I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope the two of you will continue a dialogue on the show.
Disparity of wealth is at the root of these problems in America and to be truthful around the World.
Thom Hartmann was an excellent, super articulate guest. Invite him back. Thanks Michael Steele
Thank you Michael for having Tom Hartmann as your guest. I enjoyed listening to the 2 of you.
You both hit the nail on the head as far as the Dems go, and also with Dem messaging. The Democrats absolutely suck at messaging. It's terrible. Democrats MUST do better if we are to win!!
#BidenHarris2024
Thank you Michael and Thom, you give me hope. i am enjoying that there is a growing contingency of Republicans, Independant's and Democrats who are coming together for real dialog. Then finding there is more in common than different!
I was born in 61 and I remember being young, our home was 100/month 2 story house, fireplace, basement, etc. The rents now are just crazy.
I remember being able to afford 3-4 apartments on my little bank salary.
Ben Carson with his HUD policy slammed the youngsters. Opportunity Zones was the WRONG name. Opportunity for the Prison Builders?
@@jannichi6431
Ben Carson was shameful.
“I don’t want to open the books right now”😫
Let me add pathetic.
@@elaineisabelle427 Totally unqualified, like most Trump cabinet.
@@jannichi6431 exactly 💯
Owned by private equity monopolies. Prices are controlled by a few.
580,000 medical bankruptcies in the US in a year is insane!
No Medical Bankruptcies in Countries with National Health care, they pay taxes up front, I see this as another way to screw the Middle Class, thanks to the Reagan Revolution
Universal Health care in Australia…..
In a country of 333 million people. I think we should have some sort of Universal Healthcare regardless, but it's like .18% of the population.
In a decade it would still be insane
Rebuilding the middle class should be a top priority.
Wonderful interview Michael!!! Just love Thom and his books!!! Thank you for interviewing him!
💙🇺🇸💙
We need to go back to Demand side economics. Supply side economics created oligarchs who have absolutely no allegiance to this country! 💙🇺🇸💙
They actually have little in common. Thom is a diehard liberal. He's like Bernie Sanders policywise
Steele is a boneheaded conservative. Just a polite one.
@yvonneplant9434 i think he's came around quite a bit in the last few yrs,he seems to understand more and more how some of gop policies do opposite than what is claimed
I’m listening from Ireland 🇮🇪 both Tom and Michael are making brilliant points and are both very knowledgeable and interesting people who understand politics.
Vote blue for the future of America.
Congrats on everything Irish, including your economy. When I watch PM Questions always admire your Representatives. Leadership matters. Go Biden.
Michael & Thom = OUTSTANDING! ❤
You want to punch through the propaganda? Stop talking about “neo-liberalism” vs conservatism and start talking about justice vs injustice. Start incorporating a moral vocabulary into your discourse.
and what each means, conservativism has nothing to do with conserving air, water, health. neo-liberalism as blasphemy of liberalism.
Great point 💙
Getting people like Michael and Thom to talk is so important. It’s a Yin-Yang thing.
Two smart guys discussing important truths and a view of history most Americans don’t know or have forgotten. Thanks for this valuable session, both of you!
Wow, Thom Hartmann!!
I appreciate this conversation. We Dems have got to get our act together and get the power back first. Then we can do all the other good stuff. We’re nothing without any power. I’m convinced even though I’m a tiny voice, I’ll be stuck in some camp if 45 wins.
Plenty of us feel that way.
It's good to see Thom Hartmann moving in other aspects of Social Media. He is wealth of information!
I am voting blue for Biden or whoever is on the ticket and also for blue candidates further down the ticket. The problem with free markets led to the 2008 melt down, food and health care deserts, the loss of family farms and family owned businesses, and the erosion of the middle class.
without a middle class three can't be democracy
Well Done! If half the American population would listen to this, America would be great!
I just wanted to say that I love seeing Michael Steele on the Bulwark staff and podcasts. He's very appreciated. 👍
It's Citizen United, the legalization of political bribing, that's killing the US. The public gets the crumbs for their taxes. Jeannine
Having the SC In your back pocket doesn’t hurt either.
@@1230jazzman The Citizens United decision is the one that brought us this Supreme Court.
Definitely a major factor
Thanks to the corruption in our Supreme Court.
rulings like that didn't happen over night. Started in the 70's. Even Thom has even said it over the years. Probably can find a video on his page on that issue.
💙🇺🇸 Thank you for addressing the issues that concern me.
Thom is right. Americans are so stressed economically, they don't all have time to appreciate Biden's accomplishments. They notice strength, good or bad.
Please help the democrats as I think we need everyone to come to the table. I am very frightened of another Trump’s presidency. I am afraid the message is not getting to the masses. No one talking to Americans directly about these issues .
After Thom described the transfer of economic power to the wealthy in the 1920s and 30s, which touted the trickle down theory, and the last 2-3 Republican administrations that followed this same theory who repeated it, it's no wonder our country has more billionaires than ever before and crushing poverty. If only the young republicans in the 80s were enlightened to the disastrous path it would lead this country. Our educational path in the past 60 years has encouraged more young people not to seek further degrees and most of those who have come from wealthy families. Our current Supreme Court has now leagally cemented this to continue.
Thank you Michael and Thom, love you both.
Thank you. We will build a new party after this. People are having this party after this.
Have Thom on again. This was great.
Thanks for this excellent conversation, Michael and Thom!
Vote BLUE for the foreseeable future.
One of my favorite authors, Robert Kaplan, in his book, "The Coming Anarchy", states that Democracy only works in countries that have a large middle class
You both keep nailing it. Everyone please share far and wide.
Those who sound the alarm are necessary and appreciated, but we have so few responding to it. Now that I know the problem(s), it's frustrating that those who are elected to represent me in the halls of power DO nothing.
Do we have to go to DC and camp out in protest? Probably can't do that anymore, either.
I'm 74 yo. Fifty years ago, my generation swore when WE got into power, things would change. We conducted sit-ins and protests and some of our numbers were shot dead by government agents at Ohio State U. With blood spilled, we may have moved the Overton window a bit, but all that hard work was reversed by the smell of money. Some of our generation joined the ranks of the enemy. Principles were no match for riches. The rest of us stopped paying attention and let progress slip away.
You wrote a book right there
@@cheryl7623 I would have characterized this post as 'terse'.
@@carolmckee8456 I think she (guessing, cheryl?) was complimenting you on your post and that you could probably write a book about your experiences.
I'm 77 and remember the horror clearly. Somehow ww dropped the ball and let the money take over.
Ive been listening to Thom Hartmann for years and enjoyed the discussion with Michael tremendously. Thank you!
Thom Hartman…. A liberal thinking hero. I listened to you on progressive radio in Phoenix for years until the progressive channel was removed several years ago!
Can always watch on the TH-cam channel, etc.
Great guest. Thanks for a great conversation.
Thank you for actually paying attention to this stuff. They almost slipped it by us.
Thanks for having Thom on. Thanks Thom and Michael
We need FDR 3.0 to dig us out of this 40-plus year hole Roger Ailes dug Reagnomics hole. This guest stole the words out of my mouth for the latter part of that sentence as I was typing it.
Michael Steele, this was an excellent discussion today. Thank you.
it's not just the top 1% .. in fact it is the top1% + the next 9% ... the top 1 has 20% of the wealth and the 9% has 60% ... therefore the top 10% controls 80% of wealth .. leaving the 'bottom' 90% to struggle over the remaining 20% .. by just focusing on the top1% you let that other 9% 'off the hook' when in fact they have collectively more power and control .. and will never relinquish it ..
Well, the Democrat party is filled with the top 10-20%. Of course, a lot of them will want to point above themselves as the source of the issues.
Love listening to you two talk !
What a great discussion. Thank you!
Oh man. I love this podcast. Mr . Hartman. Kudos to you Mr. Steele for having a great guest. Sending to my friends right now.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!💙💙💙💙💙💙
I'm so old I remember when the debt first hit a Trillion dollars around 1980, that was a big deal such an incomprehensibly extreme number. If i remember correctly The debt tripled during the Reagan administration.
Quadruple if not quintuple
There was a couple times Thom did talk about that on his show over the years.
Welcome Michael : you are awesome ! I’m a progressive from SF with a degree from UC Berkeley and I love the Bulwark and all the great work you are doing so keep doing and doing !
Congratulations Michael on your podcast💯🎊👍
The concept of "wealth redistribution" has always been reviled in the USA. How do we make people understand how necessary and justified it would be?
We need to make them understand that it's already been happening, just away from them instead of towards them. Yet they've been conditioned to think they're just like the 1% and always moments away from striking it rich, at which point they'll be a part of the 1% and benefit from the existing policies.
Can start by being less completely out of touch or cringe in almost every other area.
Great conversation! So awesome to see conservative and republican have a real conversation.
This is great content Bulwark. Let's have a lot more of this.
Always great to see intelligent people discuss!
Thank you.
Hi. Really need a reprieve from the Biden bashing. Michael, bless you for your integrity and balance.
Me too! We are kindred spirits on this. Terrific podcast here.
Michael, your the only one on the bulwark I will still watch.
@@tschorsch Sarah Longwell has been bashing Biden. She's the reason I unsubscribed from the bulwark.
Yes. She's in the poll business and will WANT a close race as long as possible. Appreciate her focus group talk though. Voters repeat FOX bs often.
I unsubscribed when Tim Miller said they are going to continue bashing Biden over the debate and if we didn’t like it we can come back in a couple weeks, they show their true red colors in this I watch these republican podcasts with caution I’m pretty far left but open to new ideas but I won’t have them shoved at me, I decided to watch this one because of Thom we will see if I come back to some shows but not others
Thanks, Thom and Mike. Great show.
Fascinating discussion - thank you both!
So glad you bought on Thom Hartmann. He's the one US commentator who contextualises US politics on a world stage
Loved hearing the historical reasons we are ‘here.’
Great conversation. Problem is people have become lazy with social media and sound bites. Facts matter
The answer to the opening question is that the gop has so villainized tax increases on the 1% that it’s been a non starter for democrats for decades. But with wealth inequality finally at a crushing point maybe the dems can bring this back to the table, but they’ll need supportive gop moderates. If any are even left in governance.
Do you truly believe that the Democrats would actually have done all these things you like and support if it wasn't for the GOP? Seems like a bit of a cop out
@chickenfishhybrid44 we believe that if the GOP were not increasingly authoritarian and decreasingly willing to remain within democratic norms, they would have done *more.*
@@chickenfishhybrid44 politicians can only act on what the public dictates. Why do you think their heads swivel so fast? In fact In the case of the republicans they actually think their constituency wants a dictatorship and they’re cool with that. Which is f***ed
@@chickenfishhybrid44they would have been able to get much more done, I've watched the GOP block a lot of good ideas,some that needed adjustments to them but not just shut down! They should never have stopped the line item veto,it gives excuses for stopping good legislation
Michael Steele interviewing Thom Hartmann is the living embodiment of, "Politics make strange bedfellows."
Lisren, Like and Share. Love Michael no BS. Vote Blue top to bottom.
Hartman is a national treasure
He is !!! a very smart treasure. THANK YOU MICHAEL AND THOM
The Reagan/Thatcher promotion of a "greed is good" era has a lot to answer for.
Thom Hartman is one of the most pleasant and serious persons ever. I enjoy watching him. Thanks Michael for having him on.
Amazing discussion with Tom. 😊
You rockin’ Michael! Love your honesty! The Weekend Show is a killer program! ❤
Most of my life I have been an Independent. This week, I felt saturated with demonization from the Right and responding justifications from the Left. I haven't heard much at all on how to heal, just a whole lot on who is "more wrong". The person who I felt was more reasonable in these discussions was Michael Steele. I didn't know Tom Hartman yet.
These two gentlemen gave me what I was looking for. This was the most thougthful and useful discussion I have seen in a long time. I went from feeling no hope for our Democracy to thinking I might be able to participate beyond voting in a useful way. I was considering unsubscribing from Bulwark. Now, I will be watching every Thursday and checking out Tom Hartman's podcast too. Already have shared this discussion with several people!
This is a great conversation, with a lot of historical information.
Wow, Tom Hartmann on the Bulwark!
Such a joy to see a conservative and a progressive have a nice conversation. I love both of these guys. I hope someday we will get back to normal. Trump will destroy what is left. Let's all vote blue this round guys 🙏🏻
No thanks. Most people don't want "normal" how do you think someone like Trump could win in the first place?
"We must especially beware of that small group of selfish men (and Women) who would clip the wings of the American eagle in order to feather their own nests."
-FDR
I like the message of just picking 3 main policies & broadcasting them as opposed to throwing out a whole bunch of ideas, thus overwhelming people.
Thom, trump's NOT smart. He's cunning. In the worst of ways.
I think the hidden powers have figured out how dumb T is & made him their puppet.
YOU are absolutely spot on
The best review of the American political and economic situation I've yet heard.
Great discussion. Tom provided lots of historical information.
I love you, Michael, you’re a fellow Marylander and I love the Bulwark?
This is the BEST video I've seen in more months than I can count...and will serve as a roadmap to finally (maybe) have a conversation with my family regarding life and politics. This was so educational, beneficial, and enlightening. THANK YOU Michael ~ and THANK YOU Thom ~ PLEASE COME BACK.