Rick Spielman is the GM that drafted Christian Ponder and Teddy Bridgewater. Also traded a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley. Not a great track record as a GM selecting QBs.
@@thewaffler1513 Dalton and Kap went in the second round of that draft . Ponder at 12 was a huge reach anyone who watches football knew that dude was a late round pick at best. He didnt have to take a Qb at 11 but reached anyway
@@thewaffler1513 Ponder was a bum. Even FSU fans couldn't believe that guy went in the first round. Compared to Ponder yes Kap and Dalton were Miles better that guy sucked bad. The same with EJ Manuel 2 FSU Qbs that had no business going in the first round
Keep in mind as a lifelong Vikings fan I’ve seen Spielman’s whole tenure, overall he was a pretty dang solid GM but the one position I’d put a GIANT asterisks on him with is QB
@@2flannelsfishing895 He mostly was in an bad position in the draft to pick one. Thats the Problem if your an decent team.Picking mid first round or later means the good QB prospects are gone by the time you draft.
He blasted Sean Payton at the beginning of the year for taking Bo Nix. Saying it was one of the biggest reaches he has seen in a long time. He went on to shit on Bo Nix for the next 30 mins. This guy knows absolutely nothing about QB play. He, in fact, might be the worst QB scout to ever exist. Good evaluator at most other positions though.
@@KamuiCage But all of the guys you mentioned came into very good Situations (in terms of roster,high level coaching staff and sometimes even time to develop). Both Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts had to be big part of the run game to work and Love was literally years on the bench. Their succes has an big coached up part to it so if the coaching staff isnt willing/believing/confident/optimistic/capable to coach the guy up it not going to work.
It's a lot to like with Shedeur's game. His accuracy, poise and, toughness is evident on tape. His areas get better at his pocket manipulation, drifting in the pocket and, stepping into his deep balls consistently. To me is ceiling is Joe Burrow, his mid is Tua Tagovailoa and his floor is Teddy Bridgewater/ Tyrod Taylor. His pocket movement reminds me of a slower Deshaun Watson. I think in a timing offense he would really flourish. The best coordinator Shedeur has had is the one he has now which is Pat Shurmur. If he gets with a coach who stays on him about his feet I think he will be really good. All of the players i mentioned above were pro bowlers and, led their teams to the playoffs, in the right situation Shedeur could do the same thing.
@ Tua is not the type of player who has A traits. What makes him good is his accuracy and, anticipation. Shedeur plays a methodical game. He is at his best when he dinking and, dunking his way downfield. Also Tua took off when they got Mike Mcdaniels. The best OC Shedeur has had is Pat Shurmur.
@ Didn’t say he was Burrow I am talking skillset. Both don’t have rocket arms, both don’t have elite mobility, both live in the pocket. Burrow is a far better processor and, has better pocket presence but, I am talking their traits
The Cam Ward crazy wild man interceptions narrative has to stop. He's played 8 games this season. Only in one of those games does that narrative fit where he did indeed have two boneheaded interceptions and a fumble. The game against Cal he did throw a pick six where he didn't read the defense correctly. He also played d*mn near lights out aside from that play in the rest of the game. He has 5 ints and two of them have went off of receivers hands that were catchable balls. He's no turnover machine that takes unnecessary risks. He's done it a time or two in national spotlight games but most of his games and snaps he's played very clean.
Kind of feels like a lot of QB drafts we’ve had since I’ve paid attention to drafts, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2019 were all years that there were things to like and reasons to believe you can work with these kids but there’s no generation prospect and they all have some flaws they’ll have to fix. It’s gonna come down to which team identifies the best fit for them and develops them properly.
I watched Cam Ward today vs a good Duke team… he is him. I think he is a better prospect than Caleb Williams was this time last year…. But I’ve never been fired as a GM of an NFL team so….
Bad teams draft QBs early in the first round whether there’s a prospect worthy of the pick or not. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t, but they’re grabbing a QB either way. I think it gives a GM on the hot seat a little bit of breathing room.
@@ShadH93Wilson and Lance were both coming off seasons where they were significantly better and more consistent than these guys but they each only did it only 1 year against sh*t competition. Some of these guys have played a lot and played some good teams, hopefully they go to a team that’s not picking first and make something of themselves.
@@juliusjean-baptiste924 I thought Drake Maye looked like a USC Sam Darnold with more mobility, but he was getting silly Justin Herbert comps when Allar looks way more like Oregon Justin Herbert. He might have to play another year, maybe hit the portal with Warren and Singleton coming out but he's gonna be a 1st rounder.
feels like a 2019 class to me where the top guy (in that class it was kyler) will be the only franchise caliber qb. i think shedeur is like 50/50 but got more faith in cam ward.
Jalen Milroe COULD end up being the best QB in this draft, with his running ability he needs to inprove his footwork and machanics while throwing the ball.
Great analysis by Spielman … I’m taking Shedeur number 1 … he’s still has size and can make all the throws .. if he’s there for my Panthers we will take him
Cam Ward might win my canes a national championship this year but his game 1000% won’t translate he holds the ball waaaaaay to long and he’s nowhere near athletic enough to scramble like he does. If he stops by to be a hero every play he can be a solid Tony romo type qb if not he will be a small Carson wentz
Cam Ward is probably the only QB who will pan out in this class imo Shedeur Sanders wouldn't be rated so highly if his father wasn't Deion and his father didn't build a team around him to maximize his draft stock Ewers is good, but he's riding off the hype from when he came out of HS as one of the highest rated QB prospects of all time Beck is fine too, but surrounded by big time talent and has a billion turnovers Milroe is a joke
Ward has so far the best Tools+production combination in the draft class in my eyes. Sanders doesnt have close to the level of O line play first round QBs usually have (both in terms of run blocking and Pass protection) so he has an heavy workload consistently and usually does an really good Job handeling it. Ewers has his HS status+game against Alabama + being on an high level and high Profile Team but his injuries and lack of high level individual play worry me. Beck this season seems like he is just forcing it too much because he knows the doesnt have the Talent around him he had last season (McConkey, Bowers) . Milroe has the best size/Arm/legs combination in the draft class and thats just something which can turn into high drafted guys and high level QBs.
I disagree with Sanders. If you watch his play he is very very good. He's consistently throwing into right windows and has very good movement within the pocket. He seems to have moderate arm strength but really good accuracy and touch.
So you don't watch Sanders play at all and are just hating, cool lol. He's great in the pocket and is the best thrower by far in this class. He gets through his reads and gets the ball to guys on time, and does a good job under a ton of pressure.
How do you fix a QB that holds on to the ball for too long? The ball has to come out quick in the NFL. An average of 2.5 seconds per throw. You can't wait for a receiver to spring open in the NFL. Out of those 5 QB's Sanders is the riskiest. Imho
I think you gotta ask why they’re holding the ball so long. Guys who are good at escaping the pocket to evade pressure will naturally have inflated times to throw. When we look at the line shedur is behind I think that’s a fair explanation.
33rd team is full of NFL rejects - Rick Spielman is the GM that drafted Christian Ponder and Teddy Bridgewater. Also traded a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley. Not a great track record as a GM selecting QBs.
The best QB in this draft isn't even in the first round. It's going to be Jaxson Dart in round 3. I use a different approach to evaluating QB's I don't care about arm strength what I look for is off schedule throws. This is the 1 single metric that is a skill you don't teach a player either has it or doesn't have it. Jaxson Dart has some of the best tape I've ever seen for off schedule throws. I believe in this metric so much that I would take Dart #1 overall with no hesitation. I am smart enough to know he is a 3rd rounder though so I will be patient and steal him in round 3.
If Rick is down on the qb class that means it will be elite 😂😂😂 bro has no idea how to scout a qb hence why he got fired by the vikings missed on every qb he drafted
Ward is also my #1 qb. I think he will be the only starter out of the group. Sanders will get chances but idk maybe a decent player but not ward. I genuinely dont think milroe will be even a good backup in the nfl. I wouldnt draft him until day 3.
Dont you think your missing the point about Milroe? Look how succesfull guys like Daniels, Richardson and Malik Willis have been this season. Daniels is 6-2, Richardson 4-4 and Willis 3-0... If your not having Milroe as an top 50 prospect in this class i think thats more on the Lack of ability to adjust in terms of coaching than him as an prospect.
@@vitigaymer1053 Still he won a bunch of games. If even the lower end version that style of QB can win games its clearly something. Willis is the medium Version and Daniels the high end version. Off course there is an Chance he busts. But thats the case with every QB and i am not talking him as an top 3 pick. An mid first round pick is clearly worth it in my eyes.
These guys don’t know jack shit . Look at can’t miss prospects like Trevor Lawrence , Bryce Young , Caleb Williams ( early but still trash) . Qb scouting has never been worse .
Lawrence may be in the worst offensive scheme in the league. Bryce Young is in his second year with his best weapon being Adam thelin. Caleb is halfway done with his rookie year. Way to early to call it on these guys.
Either run it back w/ DJ or sign a capable bridge but just know the bridge is not going to move the needle to playoff contender or a great offense. Daboll is not going to waste their time with QBs not named Ward or Sanders cuz Daboll wants the top guys in this draft and not projects which essentially are the rest of the QBs. Thats like drafting Will Levis.
@@lucrativevision3946 yeah I agree it’s Cam Ward and he shouldn’t be a top 20 pick in this class either based on best player available. I’m not saying either of these QB’s WONT be a top pick but you 100000% cannot argue that Shedeur, Cam or Milroe should be top picks when there are players like Maliki starks, Travis hunter, Kenneth grant, will Johnson, the other white DT for Michigan etc.
Comparing a draft class with Cam Ward and Shedeur to class led by Kenny Pickett is nasty, nasty work
Facts
Yea I don't think it's that bad. But there's no "can't miss" guys in this draft.
Picket is absolute Trash
I think Ward is going to be a star
Literally, that draft we were struggling to find a qb, thats how pickett got pushed up. That is not the energy with this draft wtf
Rick Spielman is the GM that drafted Christian Ponder and Teddy Bridgewater. Also traded a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley. Not a great track record as a GM selecting QBs.
Who could he even realistcally taken instead?
@@thewaffler1513 Dalton and Kap went in the second round of that draft . Ponder at 12 was a huge reach anyone who watches football knew that dude was a late round pick at best. He didnt have to take a Qb at 11 but reached anyway
@@KamuiCage Ponder was okay and had talent. Dalton and Kap are hardly big misses.
@@thewaffler1513 Ponder was a bum. Even FSU fans couldn't believe that guy went in the first round. Compared to Ponder yes Kap and Dalton were Miles better that guy sucked bad. The same with EJ Manuel 2 FSU Qbs that had no business going in the first round
Teddy was pretty good for them. Especially before he tore his ACL.
Keep in mind as a lifelong Vikings fan I’ve seen Spielman’s whole tenure, overall he was a pretty dang solid GM but the one position I’d put a GIANT asterisks on him with is QB
Does it rhyme with Tristian Yonder?
@@2flannelsfishing895 He mostly was in an bad position in the draft to pick one.
Thats the Problem if your an decent team.Picking mid first round or later means the good QB prospects are gone by the time you draft.
He blasted Sean Payton at the beginning of the year for taking Bo Nix. Saying it was one of the biggest reaches he has seen in a long time. He went on to shit on Bo Nix for the next 30 mins. This guy knows absolutely nothing about QB play. He, in fact, might be the worst QB scout to ever exist. Good evaluator at most other positions though.
@@adrianbuck8772 Depends on the draft Lamar Jackson and Jordan love both went at the end of the first, Jalen Hurts in the 2nd
@@KamuiCage But all of the guys you mentioned came into very good Situations (in terms of roster,high level coaching staff and sometimes even time to develop).
Both Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts had to be big part of the run game to work and Love was literally years on the bench.
Their succes has an big coached up part to it so if the coaching staff isnt willing/believing/confident/optimistic/capable to coach the guy up it not going to work.
Spielman is awesome!!
It's a lot to like with Shedeur's game. His accuracy, poise and, toughness is evident on tape. His areas get better at his pocket manipulation, drifting in the pocket and, stepping into his deep balls consistently. To me is ceiling is Joe Burrow, his mid is Tua Tagovailoa and his floor is Teddy Bridgewater/ Tyrod Taylor. His pocket movement reminds me of a slower Deshaun Watson. I think in a timing offense he would really flourish. The best coordinator Shedeur has had is the one he has now which is Pat Shurmur. If he gets with a coach who stays on him about his feet I think he will be really good. All of the players i mentioned above were pro bowlers and, led their teams to the playoffs, in the right situation Shedeur could do the same thing.
With all due respect for someone's mid comp to be tua lol the player must've been a dan marino type thrower of the football
@ Tua is not the type of player who has A traits. What makes him good is his accuracy and, anticipation. Shedeur plays a methodical game. He is at his best when he dinking and, dunking his way downfield. Also Tua took off when they got Mike Mcdaniels. The best OC Shedeur has had is Pat Shurmur.
Joe Burrow? Not in his widest dreams
@ Didn’t say he was Burrow I am talking skillset. Both don’t have rocket arms, both don’t have elite mobility, both live in the pocket. Burrow is a far better processor and, has better pocket presence but, I am talking their traits
I really loved Steve's personal mailbag question!
The Cam Ward crazy wild man interceptions narrative has to stop. He's played 8 games this season. Only in one of those games does that narrative fit where he did indeed have two boneheaded interceptions and a fumble. The game against Cal he did throw a pick six where he didn't read the defense correctly. He also played d*mn near lights out aside from that play in the rest of the game. He has 5 ints and two of them have went off of receivers hands that were catchable balls. He's no turnover machine that takes unnecessary risks. He's done it a time or two in national spotlight games but most of his games and snaps he's played very clean.
Spiels good player, pretty decent GM, seems like an even better person
Kind of feels like a lot of QB drafts we’ve had since I’ve paid attention to drafts, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2019 were all years that there were things to like and reasons to believe you can work with these kids but there’s no generation prospect and they all have some flaws they’ll have to fix. It’s gonna come down to which team identifies the best fit for them and develops them properly.
I watched Cam Ward today vs a good Duke team… he is him. I think he is a better prospect than Caleb Williams was this time last year…. But I’ve never been fired as a GM of an NFL team so….
And I can see why you’ve never been hired
Love the duck on ricks shelf lol
I wouldn’t trust too many of these older former GMs when it comes to QBs. It’s very hard for them to break out of there line of thinking.
Bad teams draft QBs early in the first round whether there’s a prospect worthy of the pick or not. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t, but they’re grabbing a QB either way. I think it gives a GM on the hot seat a little bit of breathing room.
I would take this with a grain of salt. Rick held various positions with the Miami Dolphins from 2000-2004. His drafts were mediocre.
This class is gonna be like the 2021 class at best but more likely to be like the 2022 class
Def 2022 I think those 2021 guys played a lot better than this group of qbs
@@ShadH93Wilson and Lance were both coming off seasons where they were significantly better and more consistent than these guys but they each only did it only 1 year against sh*t competition. Some of these guys have played a lot and played some good teams, hopefully they go to a team that’s not picking first and make something of themselves.
Every other qb listed has more interceptions than Cam Ward (and less tds) but he's the high risk, crazy interceptions quarterback lol
I’m a huge cam ward fan but he has had a fumbling problem through his whole college career
If you are picking at #1 you take Cam Ward or Drew Allar for the traits and ability
Allar is no where near a first round pick. Allar is a 2nd round pick at best.
@@juliusjean-baptiste924 I thought Drake Maye looked like a USC Sam Darnold with more mobility, but he was getting silly Justin Herbert comps when Allar looks way more like Oregon Justin Herbert. He might have to play another year, maybe hit the portal with Warren and Singleton coming out but he's gonna be a 1st rounder.
feels like a 2019 class to me where the top guy (in that class it was kyler) will be the only franchise caliber qb. i think shedeur is like 50/50 but got more faith in cam ward.
Jalen Milroe COULD end up being the best QB in this draft, with his running ability he needs to inprove his footwork and machanics while throwing the ball.
Jaxson Dart truther
No Dart?
SLICK RICK THE GOAT
Average success rate in 1st round is 33% for drafting QB.
It’s Shedeur boys. Trust me
If I trusted some anonymous youtuber who doesn't make a single argument you'd lose respect for me
It's going to end up Raiders having to pick between Hunter or Sanders, maybe pick 2 in the draft.
Its either shedeur or cam gotta take the qb no matter what its up the franchise to develop him right and the player to learn
Great analysis by Spielman … I’m taking Shedeur number 1 … he’s still has size and can make all the throws .. if he’s there for my Panthers we will take him
Panthers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If Sanders is not drafted by Carolina, it's bc Dieon and Sadueur said no✋ 🛑 to Carolina.
Cam Ward might win my canes a national championship this year but his game 1000% won’t translate he holds the ball waaaaaay to long and he’s nowhere near athletic enough to scramble like he does. If he stops by to be a hero every play he can be a solid Tony romo type qb if not he will be a small Carson wentz
Any draft sleepers we should be looking at?
Sweet
Cam Ward is probably the only QB who will pan out in this class imo
Shedeur Sanders wouldn't be rated so highly if his father wasn't Deion and his father didn't build a team around him to maximize his draft stock
Ewers is good, but he's riding off the hype from when he came out of HS as one of the highest rated QB prospects of all time
Beck is fine too, but surrounded by big time talent and has a billion turnovers
Milroe is a joke
I completely agree. Milroe is a running back and nothing more. I have no clue what people see with him that shows he will be good in the NFL.
Drew Aller Penn state gone be better than them all 🤫
Ward has so far the best Tools+production combination in the draft class in my eyes.
Sanders doesnt have close to the level of O line play first round QBs usually have (both in terms of run blocking and Pass protection) so he has an heavy workload consistently and usually does an really good Job handeling it.
Ewers has his HS status+game against Alabama + being on an high level and high Profile Team but his injuries and lack of high level individual play worry me.
Beck this season seems like he is just forcing it too much because he knows the doesnt have the Talent around him he had last season (McConkey, Bowers) .
Milroe has the best size/Arm/legs combination in the draft class and thats just something which can turn into high drafted guys and high level QBs.
I disagree with Sanders. If you watch his play he is very very good. He's consistently throwing into right windows and has very good movement within the pocket. He seems to have moderate arm strength but really good accuracy and touch.
So you don't watch Sanders play at all and are just hating, cool lol.
He's great in the pocket and is the best thrower by far in this class. He gets through his reads and gets the ball to guys on time, and does a good job under a ton of pressure.
Lmao yall were pounding the table about Nuss last week and now you switch back to Cam?? Because YOU don’t know what you’re looking at 😂
Saders is good but ward has that it factor
Can we talk about something other than QB’s for once
How do you fix a QB that holds on to the ball for too long? The ball has to come out quick in the NFL. An average of 2.5 seconds per throw. You can't wait for a receiver to spring open in the NFL. Out of those 5 QB's Sanders is the riskiest. Imho
I think you gotta ask why they’re holding the ball so long. Guys who are good at escaping the pocket to evade pressure will naturally have inflated times to throw. When we look at the line shedur is behind I think that’s a fair explanation.
G men can have a rodeo Joe with Nabers
33rd team is full of NFL rejects - Rick Spielman is the GM that drafted Christian Ponder and Teddy Bridgewater. Also traded a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley. Not a great track record as a GM selecting QBs.
With Spielman, one eye sees the entire field. The other? Not so much . . .
The best QB in this draft isn't even in the first round. It's going to be Jaxson Dart in round 3. I use a different approach to evaluating QB's I don't care about arm strength what I look for is off schedule throws. This is the 1 single metric that is a skill you don't teach a player either has it or doesn't have it. Jaxson Dart has some of the best tape I've ever seen for off schedule throws. I believe in this metric so much that I would take Dart #1 overall with no hesitation. I am smart enough to know he is a 3rd rounder though so I will be patient and steal him in round 3.
Cam Ward will be the next Patrick Mahomes. Wait and see.
If Rick is down on the qb class that means it will be elite 😂😂😂 bro has no idea how to scout a qb hence why he got fired by the vikings missed on every qb he drafted
Allar is the only 1st rd QB followed by Van Dyke in the 3rd rd
Rodeo Joe
Ward is also my #1 qb. I think he will be the only starter out of the group. Sanders will get chances but idk maybe a decent player but not ward. I genuinely dont think milroe will be even a good backup in the nfl. I wouldnt draft him until day 3.
Dont you think your missing the point about Milroe?
Look how succesfull guys like Daniels, Richardson and Malik Willis have been this season. Daniels is 6-2, Richardson 4-4 and Willis 3-0...
If your not having Milroe as an top 50 prospect in this class i think thats more on the Lack of ability to adjust in terms of coaching than him as an prospect.
@@adrianbuck8772Richardson is terrible.😂😂.
He just got benched😂
@@vitigaymer1053 Still he won a bunch of games. If even the lower end version that style of QB can win games its clearly something. Willis is the medium Version and Daniels the high end version.
Off course there is an Chance he busts. But thats the case with every QB and i am not talking him as an top 3 pick. An mid first round pick is clearly worth it in my eyes.
These anylants have been wrong alot these last couple of years
These guys don’t know jack shit . Look at can’t miss prospects like Trevor Lawrence , Bryce Young , Caleb Williams ( early but still trash) . Qb scouting has never been worse .
Lawrence may be in the worst offensive scheme in the league. Bryce Young is in his second year with his best weapon being Adam thelin. Caleb is halfway done with his rookie year. Way to early to call it on these guys.
Lmao tf would he kno bout a good QB
Omg what the heck are the Giants gonna do sucks they are gonna draft one of these bums
They need to trade back & collect draft capital for 26. Cutlets can hold it down in 25.
Either run it back w/ DJ or sign a capable bridge but just know the bridge is not going to move the needle to playoff contender or a great offense. Daboll is not going to waste their time with QBs not named Ward or Sanders cuz Daboll wants the top guys in this draft and not projects which essentially are the rest of the QBs. Thats like drafting Will Levis.
Shedeur is not a top 25 pick in this class
you are a casual
@ exact opposite bud. Kid has the ceiling of Geno smith which isn’t bad but he’s not gonna be a top 5 QB in the league at any point in his lifetime
@@devsdong96 There is only 1 QB that you can argue is better 😂
@@lucrativevision3946 yeah I agree it’s Cam Ward and he shouldn’t be a top 20 pick in this class either based on best player available. I’m not saying either of these QB’s WONT be a top pick but you 100000% cannot argue that Shedeur, Cam or Milroe should be top picks when there are players like Maliki starks, Travis hunter, Kenneth grant, will Johnson, the other white DT for Michigan etc.
Nuss sucks
Hate on the black guys