I love how Meat's setup is so nicely lit and has so many things to look at in the background, and Wendi looks like he just got done filming a hostage ransom demand video.
It is holiday season, so he’s probably not at home. Not to visit family, obviously, but that’s when Wendi feeds on the souls of innocents to keep his image so sparkly clean.
Russian Sleep Experiment was probably the first creepypasta that genuinely scared me. I remember being absolutely terrified by the image and when I found out it’s a Spirit Halloween decoration I was so mad 😂
SAME it was so weird finding out it was just a Spirit Halloween decoration 😭 i’ve worked there for a while and I would’ve been OUTTA THERE if i saw that thing
I love that the sarcastic occasionally nihilistic meat canyone meets wedigoons relentless empathy and perspective. Makes for a great combo. I don't usually comment or bother with the section but you guys are both excellent in your own right.
Can be a little much at times. I feel as though there is too much “dunking” on some aspects of the story. I think it’s an easy, unspoken sentiment that a lot of these stories are not meant to be taken seriously, so the constant jabs can be tiresome, like the “Grey’s Anatomy” bit that Meat tries to say around 37:00. Sometimes they fall flat.
My favorite thing about this story is its general plausibility. Sleep deprivation is a serious issue with lasting psychological and physical effects on the body. Believe it or not, but you could break your own bones if your brain didn't limit those functions. Pretty wild.
Seeing what some drugs and their withdrawals do to people, all of this is pretty believable (so far, I'll edit it after I finish). That picture is just the weakest gas station weed user. Edit: honestly, even that ending. I've seen people say and do weirder shit.
I once went 51hs without sleeping just to test my limits and I swear to god I felt like I was going insane. Everything seemed weird, like it was distant and out of sync, the last few hours I had some creepy auditory hallucinations and could see some weird shit going on in my peripheral view.
@@OrdinaryArgentinianI spent a whole week without sleep once, I was pretty okay overall (probably on account of being a teenager) except for being really dizzy and hearing things. I was able to attend school and even past a test, I just was very out of everything, like I was outside myself. I would equal it to depersonalization, now having experienced it.
@@urlsisi Yeah I'd say its pretty similar to depersonalization. A whole week is insane man. Anything over 24hs for me and I am barely functional and it's not like I am old, Im barely 21 lmao.
In college I had some papers to write and some final exams while also working 2 part-time jobs. With everything I had going on, the only way that I thought I could pull it off was to stay awake for 5 days. I made it the full 5. By the end, I was an absolute mess. A sense of impending doom set in around day 3 and got worse and worse. I was borderline incoherent if a conversation lasted longer than a few sentences. Paranoia, stress, jittery, hopeless, emotional. One of the worst feelings I've ever had. I'll never do it again.
I like Wendigoon's unique take on the story. I always interpreted the story as the prisoners becoming absolutely insane from sleep deprivation that they reach some wierd psychotic euphoric state and are begging for the gas to stay awake longer to chase that high despite the fact their bodies are giving out from the lack of sleep.
i've always liked this story because it felt like instead of the gas altering the subjects and creating something new, it unearthed a fundamental part of the human psyche that we know nothing about, and it is something primordial and terribly wonderful
@@fellamcgeeyeah I liked how it gave an “explanation” for why we have to sleep; not because our body needs the rest, but because it stops the dormant evil from awakening and taking over
I love Wendy's unwavering love of the creepy in this and enjoying things for their imagery and intent rather than their technical skill like Canyon is picking on. As a writer I do agree with Canyon but it's hard not to side with Wendy given his raw enthusiasm over it and ability to make it sound cooler than it was written. I think it honestly points to why Wendy has become so popular, his excitement is contagious.
Yeah, he always comes across as very genuine and enthusiastic in his videos. And I do think that's why he blew up so fast. People find that very engaging.
From what researchers found, you probably couldn't get any further than 7 days before just dropping dead from exhaustion. Edit: I stand corrected, the record is 11 days 24 minutes.
Fun fact! That bit about the test subject straining his muscles so hard he breaks is own bones is actually not entirely unrealistic! No matter how hard we strain, humans are usually only capable of using up to about 60% of our full strength. This is because our brain puts a hard limit on how much strength we can use because otherwise we would run the risk of tearing our own ligaments and, in the case of someone pretty beefy, even risk breaking our own bones. This is why we occasionally hear stories of mothers lifting cars to protect their children and other similar feats of (seemingly) superhuman strength: it's theorized that an extreme surge of adrenaline can override that limit. So, while the test subject, as emaciated as he's described, probably wouldn't be able to break his own bones, it's not 100% impossible.
It's not really "theorized" that an adrenaline rush basically let's you max out your body's capacity, that's literally just what it does. You brain doesn't let you muscles go full bore all the time. If it did you would be sore and tired and constantly injuring yourself from overexertion. Basically the whole point of a big adrenaline rush is to put your body in "oh shit oh fuck oh shit gotta survive" mode, because your brain has come to the conclusion that whatever the consequences of running itself as hard as it can will be aren't as bad as the consequences of not using the full capacity of your strength.
He also could've been born with this really horrible disease that causes people to be born with glass bones and paper skin. I knew an honest fella completely covered head to toe in cast who had it and he told me that every morning he breaks his legs - and even worse yet - every afternoon he breaks his arms. I think it was called Lumbago or something, it's a progressive disease from birth. 😢 💔
@@clamcrewcarclub6017They absolutely do. I’m not a driver but the shop I work in has 11 hour days and I have an hour drive there and back, between Wendigoon’s content and the Lore Lodge’s, I have plenty of things to listen to when I’m working
I definitely agree, presenting this as transcripts and event logs would make the story more immersive. That's a big part of why the best SCP stories work. And why good SCP readings are so engrossing.
except the cringe fan SCPs that people make under videos or things that are remotely weird are so fucking annoying, for fucks sake, Omega Mart is not a fucking SCP
I like goon's theory about sleep replenishing your immunity to demons. It's like a German folktale to scare children into going to sleep on time. Like "Go to sleep, Heinz, or the Fleischdämon will make you rip your flesh out! Love you!!"
Also it’s somewhat scientifically accurate, sleep is the only way to clear toxins from the brain. I believe the longest anyone has gone without sleep was like 11 days. Nonetheless, as the days progress, your mind gets significantly worse. Day 1 without it you have difficulty concentrating; day 2 you have moodiness; day 3 you develop irritability, memory lapses, and you hallucinate; day 4 hallucinations get worse (but still able to recognize they are real); day 5 paranoia and delusions occur. Well, mind you that these are just averages, though symptoms get worse over time, so these instances are not entirely science fiction. I mean the more supernatural aspects range from improbable to impossible, in which self mutilation, high pain tolerance, delusions, and illogical thinking are understandable.
You can embelish a lot of things to make them sound good. It's all about presentation. A simple story can be great if accompanied with great visuals and audio
Wendigoons idea of the possession made so much sense especially when the prisoners were laughing saying "keep cutting" it wasnt exactly them they were cutting into
This. Also, with the empty veins etc, I kept thinking 'wait so how are the muscles still contracting around the lungs to push air through the vocal chords to be heard?' And while that could probably be handwaved in other ways, the image of the voices emanating out of the throat/chest cavity even though the lungs were no longer pushing air out, as if the voice was coming from something else inside the body, could be creepy. Might too-easily go into cartoonish though lol. Maybe could be pulled off if the writer really leaned into the desiccated physical details of the body horror? but eh.
@@Khornecussion oh hell idk, this was the first video of theirs I watched 😅 didn't even know that Hunter was MeatCanyon, and I'm in love with that channel. Now that I've watched more of CreepCast, I regret being snarky ❤️ Hunter is hilarious
One of the smallest but scariest details about this story is how there are 5 people being experimented and then 5 random people on the team killed themselves after the event. Like whatever took over the people in the first experiment took over others later.
If you guys wanted, there's a story with a similar premise but a MUCH more offputting and less buckwild tone called the Harbinger Experiment. Give it a read! It would be great to hear your thoughts even if it doesn't get a full episode.
There was also a "sequel" written where some psychologist who was obsessed with the story manipulated a patient into undergoing a version of the experiment off the books
I went and read this and seeing the name "Zimmerman" set off all 2 of my neurons, cause I remembered reading this back in the day! Re-reading it, I really enjoy how it's coherent and just nicely written. Having looked back at other creepypastas I haven't read in over a decade, it's shocking how poor the structuring and grammar of some of them are.
For everyone talking about wendigoon's setup: This is just where Isaiah keeps the entity known as "wendigoon" in between videos. Not sure how he stole the camera for down there, but I hope the two are still on good terms
I read this story as a kid and was so convinced that this was real that I told my parents (who are boomers). My mom is kind of a conspiracy theorist and believed 12 year old me. She told a bunch of her friends about it and I haven’t had the heart to tell her it was a fake story from the internet
That’s a mood. Reminds me of this storytelling card/board game my dad got us one night (where everyone takes turns adding onto a story) and 13 YO me added this whole bit with a candy kingdom with a prince named Gumball. My dad thought I was being super creative… Never had the heart to tell him I stole the idea from that genderbent Adventure Time episode. I’m still kept up at night from the cringe.
@@KlutzyNinjaKittywe’ve all had moments in our childhood where we shared stories/ideas from preexisting IP’s to other people. It’s just what kids do, especially ones with ADHD or other hyper fixations
As someone who's dealt with chronic insomnia since I was a young teen, this was one of the few creepypasta to actually keep me up at night. Well, more than usual. I know that image, combined with the story, gave me nightmares
Same, then i would try even harder to fall asleep bc i didnt want to end up like them but i couldn't close my eyes bc i saw that face and got scared and my mind wouldnt stop racing and repeating the story. Super scary. I tried so hard to calm myself down, took all different kinds of meds, everything
yeah it's definitely iconic, i first saw the image and the story when i was 15, shit made me scared to sleep for months but now that i'm revisiting this in podcast form it's just funny to see papa meat the funny chubby man who draws discuss this lol
I had a severe insomnia episode and was awake for a few hours shy of 5 days. Microsleeping made me pretty useless and by the end I was having paranoid delusions that started with thinking I was under government surveillance and evolved to "I am on a mission from god and if I fall asleep he will send Michael to kill me"
I’ve only had delusions from a 106° fever, but I was under the impression at the time that we lived in the world of The Giver and therefor meditation existed for all ailments and my parents were obviously out to make me suffer on purpose because they could have, at any time, gotten magical medicine from the speakers and yet were not doing that for me. Delusions are wild. I’m glad you eventually got to sleep. I couldn’t handle 48 hours even as a teen. Nearly 5 days is insane
@@tonnentonie2767 That's the one. It's weird looking back at it because in hindsight it's totally bizzare to think that one of the archangels would kill me as punishment for sleeping but it was so real at the time.
The Russian sleep experiment was my first creepypasta. I was in the realm of “is this real? Could this happen?” Like Wendigoon. I enjoyed the heavy detail of the intricate body parts and such, it keeps it somewhat ground in reality with how fantastical the story goes on.
This is one of the most impactful creepy pasta I've ever read for one reason : I've been heavily sleep deprived for a period of my life (because reasons) and the thing I remember is how your self-control, self-preservation, psychological and social barriers (not limits, barriers) go right out of the windows at one moment. I've done the craziest things of my life while sleep deprived.
severe sleep deprivation is absolutely wild and a lot of people straight up don't realize it. even "just" being awake for, say, 30 hours, things start to get weird. keep pushing, and it's pretty much exponentially worse
I read it, I am honestly not looking forward to the episodes because I don't want that story again, even though I love the podcast and would love to support by listening. But damn... I have a GREAT memory for stories but I just wiped 90% of Borrasca from my mind. All I remember is that I don't want to remember it.
I think the coolest thing about the CreepCast is how constant and in depth the analysis is. You can tell how much Meat and Wendi really care about stories and getting into the nitty gritty of the details.
They both have jobs that gets them really in depth on creepy stuff. More details make creepier art for meat, and Wendi's entire channel is creepy stuff in detail
I love it. I feel like even with this short story they could’ve even gone more in depth lol. There’s just so much to talk about, and this story is only a few pages. But it makes sense because there does have to be a stopping point. Just really enjoy these stories and I’m so glad they’re covering them.
Meat: "So, it's continuous gas being pumped into the room, right?" Goon: "It's being monitored so that it doesn't become toxic, but yes there is gas in the room." Meat: "I like that, I'm glad that's what's happening"
It's wild to me that they censored the word Suicide immediately after describing a man getting his balls ripped off and the anatomical logistics of cannibalism
I think the theory regarding sleep being an immune system to possible demon possession could really explain the more fantastical aspects of the story. Also this story hits deep for me, as I used to have an unsteady sleep cycle, which caused minor hallucinations on a daily basis.
Who else wishes this was a much older channel simply to be able to binge on more CreepCast? Because I've already watched and re-watched a their content already...
Excellent podcast. 10/10. Love the way Wendigoon sets the mood by being in containment HIMSELF. Talk about dedication. Inshallah he will be freed soon.
The talk about the one scary photo to anchor your mind while you read is so on point. The best example of that is probably scary stories to tell in the dark. They always had that one terrifying picture to really cement the story in your mind.
I feel so vindicated by Wendigoon’s “making stories better in my head” bit. It drives me crazy watching people cut up and ruin stories for themselves by talking about how nothing works or makes sense. You get so much more joy out of fiction when you embellish and explain it in your mind instead of disintegrating it.
that's arguably one of the strengths of a written or spoken story anyway, the writer's job is to give you enough material to let you fill in what isn't there. the letters j-o-h-n on a page are not a guy named John with an appearance and a personality and a family etc, but those letters are enough for your brain to begin the process of making somebody up in your mind. books are great at this stuff. an important thing to remember though, if a story turns out to be a really good springboard for your imagination it deserves praise for being that, but don't give the author all the credit for the *products* of your own imagination. I think that's a big disconnect some people have when discussing stuff. Hunter's in more of a critical mode and interested in how well the story plays by its own rules, some meta stuff like influences the author might've picked up midway through writing, etc. but Isaiah is more interested in how well the story kickstarted his own imagination as well as what the story is unto itself.
@@dtps_champion6016 I agree with this. Some people have greater suspension than others, but everyone has a threshold. There was one story I abandoned because I was done with the nonsense. It was a magical setting, sure, but two young parents with a home birth, zero medical staff/midwife, zero birth training, had a breech baby and was like "Just push." Both baby and mom would've died because you can't just push those out. They're not coming out and the baby will suffocate and the mother will die due to blood loss. I already hate birthing scenes that go into detail, but that was just so unrealistic I had to jump ship.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx One thing I will point out about Hunter's critiques of the story are that he's treating it like a narrative piece, where establishment of character and motive are important, which I don't personally agree with. A lot of the things he proposes such as giving the soldier a backstory or the bit about the identity of the gas would make the story worse by ruining the effect it's trying to achieve, which is that of a sort of "report". Now, the story itself diverges from being a report later on, but I still think including some of his suggestions would feel out of place in this particular piece.
YOU may feel more joy by doing this, but not everyone will, and not every piece of media is the same. Some are purposely meant to make the reader/watcher come up with their own connections and conclusions, some are just poorly written and don’t logically follow, there’s a huge difference. I can’t just turn off my brain and force myself to believe something that I know isn’t true, or ignore something that I know is illogical, that’s not how it works… there’s a difference between missing information and plot holes/contradictory information, and I hate when people write the author’s story for them. In this specific medium, yes, the head canon is much more important to horror and suspense stories, they’re made to leave things out and allow for this headcanon. Especially short stories like creepypastas. But I see this argument all the time in relation to movies and other media coming out nowadays (especially STAR WARS) and it’s just so frustrating. It’s the writer’s job to tell a cohesive, internally consistent story, not have the audience make it up for them. I can’t and won’t just turn my brain off and consume product. And I won’t lie to myself and live outside of reality. Yes, it’s fiction, but stories are good because we can relate to them and become immersed in the worlds. Doesn’t mean they have to be ‘realistic’, just logically follow the rules that they set out for themselves in the universe. Does that mean there can be no illogical decisions made by the characters? Of course not, people are illogical all the time, so sometimes in a story it’s logical for a character to be illogical. But when the physical rules of reality and the sequence of events in a narrative are illogical, it breaks my suspension of disbelief, takes me out of the story. This isn’t something I can control, again, that’s not how brains work
Having known what Japan did with unit 731, a setting like this is very believable. Like Hunter said, we have decades of Media pushing the ideia that the military of various nations were experimenting to make the best soldiers or killers. That's what I like about this story.
u gotta love how we have one man with a room that will make ur eyes pop out of ur head bc theres so much colors, and then theres another man with bland walls, absolutely nothing around him, and an unusual stain/smear/tape residue/miscellaneous thing on one wall. i love tjis podcast
A classic story. I do get where Hunter is coming from in his criticisms but as a whole I think this story still works well, and would 100% benefit from adaptations. The journal entry style would be great, but I could also see an adaptation of this as a mini series where it's like in a courtroom and all the living scientists have to discuss what happened at the facility like 50+ years ago. Just the fact they could vividly remember all this stuff shows how fucking wild it is. Another great CreepCast!
The potential really is there with this one. Especially if they keep it realistically believable to the insane experiments that were being done around WW2. I could see a really good adaptation of this being done in a depraved science experiment style. Researcher/Investigator perspective approach
Evicerations aren’t as lethal as you think, the way it kills you is via your organs losing moisture or devoloping an infection after they have been put back in and sewn up. In fact, in the army we are trained to worry about that last in combat, because of all the injuries that will kill you, and eviceration will take the longest. Hemmoraging, Hypo/hyperthermia, your ability to breathe, circulation, they’ll all take anywhere from minutes to maybe an hour or two, but very few people die of an eviceration even within that day. That was a very long winded way of saying them putting their organs back in to continue to observe the results of the experiment isn’t that far fetched seeing as it is a very doable procedure. One of the more believable things in the story which is surprising because you wouldn’t expect it to be.
I adore the theory that the patients can still feel pain and the demons like that. - The patients laugh and smile during the surgery because they are demons reveling in the suffering of the humans they inhabit - This is the same reason they say to “keep cutting.” They get off on knowing the former human is feeling pain
This always makes me think of the condition called Fatal Familial Insomnia that I learned about in psychology. A genetic condition that results in a person one day being unable to ever sleep again. Once the symptoms start the person slowly degrades over weeks and weeks of no sleep until eventually the body completely gives out and they die. Super upsetting, I hope a cure is found someday.
Hello, Town idiot here! Genuine question, would something like a medically induced coma possibly have an effect on this of some sort? Atleast it would give the body some room for restitution? I've no idea how a coma interacts with the body at that level, but it seems like the obvious first move to try no? I dont expect you to have an answer for this, but i had to shout into the void just a little bit
@@shimoarikiku7791 Yes it is a real condition and it's terrifying There was even a guy, I forgot his name unfortunately, who kind of documented his experience in videos online, all the way until the end
@@shimoarikiku7791 Looked into this because it sounded like it would be something out of a creepy pasta. It's real and the prognosis is 6 months to 7 years with most dying around a year and half after diagnosis. Spooky
Obviously audio-based media is one of my main avenues. Unless movies and television have audio description. The fact that you guys are covering these older stories and having discussions on them is so nice
@@Zackaria_sMax I have played call of duty, all types of fighting games for mortal Kombat to Street fighter, Diablo 3 and Diablo IV, I've even tried a couple games that don't have much in the way of blind accessibility, I've played through the first last of us and Mike played the second.
What features should more games use to help aid blind people? Is there anything Devs can do? Also do you have any good examples of games that make themselves accessible to blind gamers?
i love Papa Meat's mildly pleasant reaction every time Wendigoon segues back into the story in increasingly intricate ways 32:26. The chemistry is *chef's kiss
I love the back and forth in how you guys consumed this story 😂 Isaiah is just like wrapped in how cool each new brutal idea is and Meat Canton is like an armchair psychologist for the author it’s awesome
Don't get me wrong, the story is pretty well-done; but I think the image is what really takes the Russian Sleep Experiment from "oh, that's creepy" to "I'll be keeping the lights in my room on tonight". It sits perfectly on the line between obviously being a monster/prop and an appearance that a human body could actually take under sufficiently horrible circumstances. It gives you imagery for some of the things that the descriptions sort of lack (like the condition of their skin, as was mentioned). That image takes the whole experience from a 5/10 to an 8/10 for me.
Definitely have to agree, the image really does sell the whole idea, like just imagining yourself turning into that when not sleeping, like the monstrous/demon like but still humanoid appearance, going manic and everything, I had like a dozen different situations in my head of everything going wrong while reading it so I was surl that the 'creatures' died so 'easily' Overall the Idea is fantastic, could've been executed a lot better if it was longer, but enough to really immerse yourself into to thoughts and theories of this being real.
Guys, I have had a few drinks. But let me just say, this was absolutely the creepypasta I have been dreaming of you talking about. I hope both of you wonderful men have the most fantastic of weeks.
On the topic of the whole living without organs and being this sort of moving corpse, hard drugs can actually have that affect. My stepdad is a cop and he used to tell me stories of the stuff he's seen, one of these was about how he went to a homicide call, the father had been on hard drugs I don't remember which exactly but it had caused him to kill his wife and daughter. Whenever my stepdad had gotten there the father was sitting on the living room floor after having disemboweled himself and was still conscious talking about how there was, "Something inside him that he had to get out." All while rummaging through his own intestines.
Damn,, your dad lived through a real creepypasta then. My civilian ass would assume that guy was haunted/possessed and noped the fuck outta there. I have zero desire to be any horror media protagonist lol
Wendigoon's theory is EXACTLY how I interpreted this story, that the subjects were being taken over by some unseen evil force. Love your guy's breakdown of the story. I wish the writer had taken the story and created a full detailed book with back stories and more drawn-out scenes.
I agree with Meat, it feels like a good start but with more character development and side stories like a nurse secretly huffing the gas and not sleeping or the commander being more malicious making his death more satisfying. But I mean if this was someone’s 1st or second story that’s amazing
This is gonna sound weird, but when I write stuff in DnD, this is the kind of writing I aspire to. Based enough in reality and science to be believable, but also enough in the fantastical to be wonderful. Usually not body horror and all that, but with frogs that puff up with helium to float away, falcons with oily wings that can spark their claws together to ignite into flame. I love whenever stories make an effort to make the viewer/reader think "Yeah, I could see that working." That's why I love the channel Roanoke Gaming. Anyway, amazing story, CANNOT WAIT for Borrasca!
That's the best. Like with I Am Legend (the book), it's got a bit based on reality with some suspension of disbelief. The people who try and demand it to be completely spot on are a bit weird and cringe lol it's fantasy bro
If you love stuff like that there's a book series i believe called "The Leviathan" by Scott Westerfield. The premise is that you have the east and west bloques of Europe however instead of that you have Beastie (biopunk) and clanker (steampunk) which has some very interesting world building.
It's one of the reasons I love mystery fleshpit!! Like the concept gets me hyped to create because of how well it's been created. Where it's horrific and scary but also awe-inspiring just because of how massive of a concept it is that, suspending belief, it feels like it could happen
This is legit one creepypasta I wish somehow someone would make an actual whole hour and a half movie adaptation to. This was one of the first ones I listened to on TH-cam and it was believable enough that I thought it may have been real and thought that's what creepypasta's were. I learned really quick it was just fake to my disappointment (I'm a horror junkie.). But a lot of the old stories are amazing from back then.
You ever seen the Divide (2011)? Some people in a bunker after a nuclear war all lose their minds. Kind of similar concept, but yeah i agree, would love to see a full length movie based on the Sleep Experiment
Just got done with the Borrasca pt 2 video, and needed a cleanser after that intense journey. The huge shift of mood going from the end of that over here though, hits hard. The light. And levity. The calm before the emotion and pain lands on yall. Let's hope this doesnt drain what's left of my soul.
Yuuuup, it's actually nice talking about it online with others who have experienced it because it's one of those fictional stories that sticks in my brain but I can't imagine recommending it to anyone knowing what I know now.
When the guy said “I must remain awake” it made me think of how, in the beginning, they were promised their freedom if they could stay up for all 30 days. So the true underlying horror is how bad the place they were being kept and how badly they were being treated as prisoners there that they’d rip out their own organs if that’s what it took to stay awake in order to win their freedom.
@Antonio-Gransci I just think the most horrifying horror is when, at the end, it’s just people. Every terrifying story of the most gruesome body horror, the most twisted violence, the deepest depravity you’ve ever heard; it all came from the mind of a person. Just some guy. The scariest thing to me is what one human could come up with in their mind to do to another, that’s all.
I could fully be inflating the memory of this nosleep, but I do remember one called "The Arkansas Sleep Experiments", or something titled to that effect, that does this premise of not sleeping much better (in my own opinion). It follows the experience of the participants more closely and is approached in less of a field report sense. There are quite a few moments that to this day have stuck with me; mentions of "impossible angles" and "corners in rooms that shouldn't exist". Loved this! So glad to see two of my favourite horror fan youtubers doing a podcast together now :)
I always loved the suggestion that sleep is something weve evolved to have to keep this darkness at bay, i remember reading this as a kid and thinking it was real because i was young enough to be impressionable but old enough to start learning about all the human experiments that happened in ww2
It's worth mentioning that the KGB literally did not exist during WW2. At the time, the agency responsible for the jobs that later fell to the KGB was the NKVD, though they had a number of other jobs besides
Wendigoon managed to take a tired story that I’ve heard 1000 times and make it horrifying again. The thought of a demon taking control of my body and cutting out my insides while I can feel it… that’s some hell raiser shit and I’m here for it
Man, I love these kinds of crazy science experiment creepypastas. That's why I liked the Mount Greylock series so much. The story of science going so far into the unknown that it turns into supernatural is so cool.
I love that wendigoon and papameat are big now. I remember finding both of them a few years ago, longer than it feels fs. Im so happy to see both of you collabing and doing good. Ive literally moved to a new place for more opportunity, girlfriend of 10 years left because of alcoholism, got sober, got my wife back, held a decent job, and now finally have our own place. Thank you guys, especially wendigoon with his videos, specifically the mlk one, for getting me through dishwashing last year, depression, and my current job. (He did sick work on the mlk video, if you have not yet check it out.)
My favorite part of CreepCast is when Meat plays devil's advocate even with good stories that it gets Wendigoon riled up then defends it, seeing them go back and forth is funny.
Tbh I always love that. I'm always open to new sides and perspectives and while I may disagree with one, I like to understand why they wouldn't like an aspect or do like an aspect in breakdowns which is perfect in this format.
My favorite part about the story is the way they do the perspective. It does a really good job of making you feel like you're on the research side of the glass, terrified of what's inside the chamber, or a person just reading a recap of the events afterwards. Such good storytelling.
I fricking love stories like this. Anytime there's nothing supernatural and it's just the natural horrors of the mind of mankind it just hits that sweetspot.
"Who's the guy holding him down how long has he been working there" was one of the worst examples of worthwhile backstory Meat could have come up with on the spot lmao
As we approach 2024, I wanted to reach out and thank the both of you for your incredible content and personalities. You both probably get this a lot and I don’t know if you’ll ever read this, but I want to say it anyway for my own sake. Here it is: I love horror and this year began my first full-on horror novel. You guys have been huge inspirations for me, not just because of the topics you cover or the advice you give on storytelling, but also the wisdom you’ve brought me in general and the ability to turn to your vids when stuff goes bad. I’m in high school and have dealt with some pretty bad stuff (mental health wise) and have had multiple hiccups in my writing schedule, but you two always managed to reinvigorate my motivation or at the very least give me something to enjoy when I’m not writing. Wendigoon, I would never have the knowledge I have of things like religious symbolism or cryptids if not for you and even if I’m not Christian I strive to be as cool as you. Hunter, your animations, horrific concepts and humor have inspired my drawings and writing in ways that I can’t explain here but trust me, it is so freaking cool. You’re so cool. Both of you guys rock and this podcast has honestly made my year 10x better than it would’ve been without it. Anyway, I’m about to write my book now. Hoping to finish it by the time I end college (I’m nowhere near done and it’s gonna be quite long lol) but I had to get that off my chest. New Year’s Resolution: write more and be as cool as you guys who inspire me so much. Ily guys so much and even though I am not sure whether you’ll read this or not I wanted to share this for New Year’s considering 2023 was really difficult and I have hope for 2024.
I think this creepypasta would make an awesome radio show. Meat has a lot of good suggestions on how to adapt the script to be more cinematic, but I do like the minimalist nature of the original story, as it makes it sound more authentic, at least until the last few moments when it gets overdramatic.
I love Wendigoon unabashedly supporting when he likes something rather than being like "yeah I guess you're right it's lame..." no instead he's like "HATER, HATER, HATER!" lol
Now this is a classic. The ending stuff is absolutely outlandish, but it feels very real. The writing style feels very documentarian and journalistic. The imagery is very vivid. This is one that sticks with you. Again, the ending is almost too outrageously gory, but I think otherwise it stands the test of time.
I just want to start by saying that I've always had a severe aversion to that one Russian Sleep Experiment screamer (the same one used in the thumbnail). I'd even call it a phobia. Finding this video in my recommended on New Years (when I already had a resolution to make change for the better in my life; getting over such a fear would be in line with said resolution), mixed with seeing the image in color (it's normally in black and white in most depictions), all mixed together with an existing desire to have some Wendigoon content playing in the background while I play Minecraft, allowed me to stare at the image for an extended period of time, and watch the video. I know it doesn't sound like much, but for a guy like me who hates that image like nothing else, it's a big step for me
If you get dread from seeing it like i used to it becomes alot less scary when you find out that its just a halloween prop from the early 2000s i forgot the exact name of it but its quite easy to find when you look it up
I've suffered from extreme insomnia my whole life and have even been hospitalized and taken to the ER multiple times for not being able to sleep in fact the first time I listened to this I hadn't slept in almost 3 days typically an episode will last about 3 days but my worst one was almost 6 days I don't remember what happened but I remember waking up in the hospital and finding out that I had slept for 2 days straight after being pumped with an outrageous amount of drugs to finally get me to sleep and my family tells me that I had some sort of break from reality I'm better now but it's impossible for me to sleep without medication this creepypasta has always been so much scarier to me for this reason One of the coolest details in this story is that the participants become terrified of sleeping when I have episodes the longer I stay awake the more scared I get to fall asleep I even get paranoid that everyone is trying to make me sleep It's insane I know its pretty crazy I'm sharing this with strangers online BUT I really want others to understand how important some of the details are and I'm pretty desensitized to my whole situation because its all just so normal to me now
I really love Wendi's take on what is happening to the subjects. It helps a lot of the seemingly random events connect. This new take on it really gives me a new appreciation for the story. I already loved this story, but now I love it even more.
I kinda hate it, I think the implication was meant to be that this is just something hidden within ourselves, some kind of higher level of consciousness that's being suppressed by sleep.
@@noosa187 I think even in your word choice by using "something" it shows how little difference it makes whether that thing is an entity that embodies something humans suppress or just well something humans suppress. I think the author was going more for entity though with the hive mind like behavior and little speech at the end and that's why it leans more heavily into paranormal. Gateway of the mind was another creepy pasta from the same time that had a similar theme. Basically depriving the body of normal functions to access something not meant to be.
@@stonehallow It makes a world of difference. Muh demon is some boring externality, something within you, intrinsic to yourself, is far more unnerving.
Weirdly I think this story is why I make sleep a priority. Like, I manipulated myself into making sure I get 8 hours a day because this story freaked me out so much.
Hunter talking about how he’d talk about his trauma 3 hours in, would just be him telling the other prisoners about how his grandfather in a mobility scooter shot his dog.
Technical difficulties, apologies for the re-upload (aka, Isaiah was dumb and uploaded the wrong file)
oof
Checks out
Fair enough!
Don't call da iceberg boi dumb 😭🙏
For shame wendigussy
I love how Meat's setup is so nicely lit and has so many things to look at in the background, and Wendi looks like he just got done filming a hostage ransom demand video.
Who said he was done? This was also included in the ransom.
Literally 😭😭 It's so insane to see bc his setups have been better in the past 😂
@@Hikarixhikarixhikari
His best setup ever, the Corner of Horror!
It is holiday season, so he’s probably not at home. Not to visit family, obviously, but that’s when Wendi feeds on the souls of innocents to keep his image so sparkly clean.
While dressed like a psychopath
so cool that wendigoon was recording in the place where the experiments happen. he's so dedicated to his craft.
lmaooooo 😂
I’m dedicated to correcting spelling mistakes
no fr where is he??? 💀
Dear god he is, directly from solitary confinement
@@planetaryequinox8949I’m desecrated to corecting spelling mistakes
I can't believe Hunter stored Wendigoon in his basement to simulate the real russian sleep experiment. Love the dedication on these guys
Yeah the contrast between Hunter's highly decorated and colorful background to Wendigoon's drab grey concrete wall is pretty surreal
on first name basis, huh?
@@jermu8706 With Hunter but not Isaiah I guess
@@jermu8706 l didn't even notice that, probably because meatcanyon's real name is said a lot more than wendigoon's name
Russian Sleep Experiment was probably the first creepypasta that genuinely scared me. I remember being absolutely terrified by the image and when I found out it’s a Spirit Halloween decoration I was so mad 😂
According to legend, the laboratory was shut down after the Cold War.. and then was reopened.. as a Spirit Halloween store!
SAME it was so weird finding out it was just a Spirit Halloween decoration 😭 i’ve worked there for a while and I would’ve been OUTTA THERE if i saw that thing
Samme 😂
i never knew that lmao
I think the first time I heard about it was with a narrator name Eden of not mistaken.
Meatcanyon: calling in from his creepy, curated set
Wendigoon: calling in from the void
FR 😂 I came to the comment section to figure out who’s basement wendigoon is recording in
@@MP-fe5ur your mom's, of course
(it's really nothing against you, I just physically can't help myself)
@@mah0817bro put a disclaimer on his roast
Or possibly the backrooms?
@@MP-fe5urI think it's mine
I love that the sarcastic occasionally nihilistic meat canyone meets wedigoons relentless empathy and perspective. Makes for a great combo. I don't usually comment or bother with the section but you guys are both excellent in your own right.
i agree, the back and forth between them leads to really good conversation
Can be a little much at times. I feel as though there is too much “dunking” on some aspects of the story. I think it’s an easy, unspoken sentiment that a lot of these stories are not meant to be taken seriously, so the constant jabs can be tiresome, like the “Grey’s Anatomy” bit that Meat tries to say around 37:00. Sometimes they fall flat.
@@NobleSpitfireur thinking too much, watch the video to have fun not to analyze the hosts 😂😂
real@@IWKS1
@@IWKS1I dunno, a TH-cam series reviewing Podcast Hosts could either be entertaining or intensely polarising.
My favorite thing about this story is its general plausibility. Sleep deprivation is a serious issue with lasting psychological and physical effects on the body. Believe it or not, but you could break your own bones if your brain didn't limit those functions. Pretty wild.
And the way people act on drugs falls in line as well. People kill for drugs all the time.
Seeing what some drugs and their withdrawals do to people, all of this is pretty believable (so far, I'll edit it after I finish). That picture is just the weakest gas station weed user.
Edit: honestly, even that ending. I've seen people say and do weirder shit.
I once went 51hs without sleeping just to test my limits and I swear to god I felt like I was going insane. Everything seemed weird, like it was distant and out of sync, the last few hours I had some creepy auditory hallucinations and could see some weird shit going on in my peripheral view.
@@OrdinaryArgentinianI spent a whole week without sleep once, I was pretty okay overall (probably on account of being a teenager) except for being really dizzy and hearing things. I was able to attend school and even past a test, I just was very out of everything, like I was outside myself. I would equal it to depersonalization, now having experienced it.
@@urlsisi Yeah I'd say its pretty similar to depersonalization. A whole week is insane man. Anything over 24hs for me and I am barely functional and it's not like I am old, Im barely 21 lmao.
In college I had some papers to write and some final exams while also working 2 part-time jobs. With everything I had going on, the only way that I thought I could pull it off was to stay awake for 5 days. I made it the full 5. By the end, I was an absolute mess. A sense of impending doom set in around day 3 and got worse and worse. I was borderline incoherent if a conversation lasted longer than a few sentences. Paranoia, stress, jittery, hopeless, emotional. One of the worst feelings I've ever had. I'll never do it again.
You start hallucinating too if you stay awake too long
Good god please don’t do that to yourself
Can I have a piece of gum
Also don’t do that
@@TheBlueCray0nIsBlue
Sorry, all outta gum
@@imalloutagum6083 fuck man shit
I like Wendigoon's unique take on the story. I always interpreted the story as the prisoners becoming absolutely insane from sleep deprivation that they reach some wierd psychotic euphoric state and are begging for the gas to stay awake longer to chase that high despite the fact their bodies are giving out from the lack of sleep.
i've always liked this story because it felt like instead of the gas altering the subjects and creating something new, it unearthed a fundamental part of the human psyche that we know nothing about, and it is something primordial and terribly wonderful
@@fellamcgeeyeah I liked how it gave an “explanation” for why we have to sleep; not because our body needs the rest, but because it stops the dormant evil from awakening and taking over
Wait....is that not the point?
Its fake
@@fellamcgeeyou got it.
Wendigoon out there recording in the liminal space. Nothing can stop him from making content. Thank you 🙏🏻
I love Wendy's unwavering love of the creepy in this and enjoying things for their imagery and intent rather than their technical skill like Canyon is picking on. As a writer I do agree with Canyon but it's hard not to side with Wendy given his raw enthusiasm over it and ability to make it sound cooler than it was written. I think it honestly points to why Wendy has become so popular, his excitement is contagious.
Did you watch the entire video?
Yeah, he always comes across as very genuine and enthusiastic in his videos. And I do think that's why he blew up so fast. People find that very engaging.
This feels like something Mr Beast would do in a few years ‘Can 5 strangers stay away for a month for 1million dollars!?’
From what researchers found, you probably couldn't get any further than 7 days before just dropping dead from exhaustion.
Edit: I stand corrected, the record is 11 days 24 minutes.
@@justcommoncurt i think some of the longer ones allow for controlled naps so tho dont literally die or somthing like that. dont quote me tho
“Last kid standing gets food!”
Just put Kris tyson in the room nobody will sleep
@@LBJ.91 poor jimmy, he defended ava with everything he had just for her to pull THAT stuff
Edit: yeah no, Mr.Beast can go to hell
I love the dynamic. Like watching a scientists and artist describe why the night sky is beautiful.
YES EXACTLY. Omg.
you have written my favourite poem
Fun fact! That bit about the test subject straining his muscles so hard he breaks is own bones is actually not entirely unrealistic! No matter how hard we strain, humans are usually only capable of using up to about 60% of our full strength. This is because our brain puts a hard limit on how much strength we can use because otherwise we would run the risk of tearing our own ligaments and, in the case of someone pretty beefy, even risk breaking our own bones. This is why we occasionally hear stories of mothers lifting cars to protect their children and other similar feats of (seemingly) superhuman strength: it's theorized that an extreme surge of adrenaline can override that limit. So, while the test subject, as emaciated as he's described, probably wouldn't be able to break his own bones, it's not 100% impossible.
Thats so freaking cool, thank you for sharing 🫡🫡 always fun when someone learns something new! ❤
It's not really "theorized" that an adrenaline rush basically let's you max out your body's capacity, that's literally just what it does. You brain doesn't let you muscles go full bore all the time. If it did you would be sore and tired and constantly injuring yourself from overexertion. Basically the whole point of a big adrenaline rush is to put your body in "oh shit oh fuck oh shit gotta survive" mode, because your brain has come to the conclusion that whatever the consequences of running itself as hard as it can will be aren't as bad as the consequences of not using the full capacity of your strength.
You make it seem more complex than it is.
It is possible to tear muscle or ligament with adrenaline lol. Many athletes have done it
He also could've been born with this really horrible disease that causes people to be born with glass bones and paper skin. I knew an honest fella completely covered head to toe in cast who had it and he told me that every morning he breaks his legs - and even worse yet - every afternoon he breaks his arms. I think it was called Lumbago or something, it's a progressive disease from birth. 😢 💔
I always was amazed by that. It's down right inspiring. Really makes one go and do something nice for the body
As a truck driver, you have no idea how much I love that y’all made creepcast. You make my 11 hour drive times so much more bare-able
5 hours down, 6 to go 🤣
Lore lodge makes some good road trip content
@@clamcrewcarclub6017 thanks brother, I’ll have to check em out
Aww! Bless
@@clamcrewcarclub6017They absolutely do. I’m not a driver but the shop I work in has 11 hour days and I have an hour drive there and back, between Wendigoon’s content and the Lore Lodge’s, I have plenty of things to listen to when I’m working
You keep trucken dude and stay safe on the road. I’d imagine listening to this while driving at night would be so beautiful
The text slowly moving around keeps making me think, "Did i eat mushrooms earlier and they're starting kick in?"
what text?
Man, I miss tripping
Oh good so it's not just me, lol
I definitely agree, presenting this as transcripts and event logs would make the story more immersive. That's a big part of why the best SCP stories work. And why good SCP readings are so engrossing.
Yeah I love that format. It makes you feel like you're reading something you're not supposed to even be seeing.
Hell why not have audio logs included as well.
true
@@skellbo The Volgun's read of "The flesh that hates" is definitely one of my favorite examples of that
except the cringe fan SCPs that people make under videos or things that are remotely weird are so fucking annoying, for fucks sake, Omega Mart is not a fucking SCP
Doctors acting all surprised when they pump monster energy gas into a room, and the people in the room start speaking monster energy language
💀
Man I wish stimulants worked like that on me but for me it just makes me more excited to live 😭
Honestly pretty good summary lol
unleash the beast
And all my Adderall does is make my cranky and capable of sitting
I like goon's theory about sleep replenishing your immunity to demons. It's like a German folktale to scare children into going to sleep on time. Like "Go to sleep, Heinz, or the Fleischdämon will make you rip your flesh out! Love you!!"
Also it’s somewhat scientifically accurate, sleep is the only way to clear toxins from the brain. I believe the longest anyone has gone without sleep was like 11 days. Nonetheless, as the days progress, your mind gets significantly worse. Day 1 without it you have difficulty concentrating; day 2 you have moodiness; day 3 you develop irritability, memory lapses, and you hallucinate; day 4 hallucinations get worse (but still able to recognize they are real); day 5 paranoia and delusions occur. Well, mind you that these are just averages, though symptoms get worse over time, so these instances are not entirely science fiction. I mean the more supernatural aspects range from improbable to impossible, in which self mutilation, high pain tolerance, delusions, and illogical thinking are understandable.
@@erdm8153Bruh, I get hallucinations after one all-nighter.
@@MeanBeanComedynaturally low tolerance to demons, I reckon
It gives me “The Shadow Out Of Time” vibes
least realistic part of this statement is a german parent saying “love you” lol
I need to go to Windigoon's house and repaint that wall for him.
First saw this story as a kid on a channel that mostly read true horror stories, and I (at least for the first half) was convinced it was 100% real
Real
me too LOL
Same lol
This is the first time i heard it isnt real.....This whole time i thought it was...wtf O_O
Same here.
Wendigoon talking about a stimulant and getting kinda hype about it, while rubbing his nose about 15 times in 3 min was exceptionally funny to me.
I always thought that last line was so cheesy, but when Meat Canyon said it then Wendigoon explained it so eloquently, it hit different. Love it.
Same. Delivered in a great voice, analyzed in a novel way, it totally took on a different interpretation to me.
💯
You can embelish a lot of things to make them sound good. It's all about presentation. A simple story can be great if accompanied with great visuals and audio
so sad that wendi got sucked into the void
rip wendigoon
it's almost like we can still hear him in the call 💔
Wendigoons idea of the possession made so much sense especially when the prisoners were laughing saying "keep cutting" it wasnt exactly them they were cutting into
Underrated comment, great observation
This. Also, with the empty veins etc, I kept thinking 'wait so how are the muscles still contracting around the lungs to push air through the vocal chords to be heard?' And while that could probably be handwaved in other ways, the image of the voices emanating out of the throat/chest cavity even though the lungs were no longer pushing air out, as if the voice was coming from something else inside the body, could be creepy. Might too-easily go into cartoonish though lol. Maybe could be pulled off if the writer really leaned into the desiccated physical details of the body horror? but eh.
Writer: "Vascular system"
Hunter: "wow. Slow down, egghead"
"Spleen"
Hunter: I ain't reading all'at
Me: Extant
My boss: Give me the shorter version.
Hunter is a proud advocate of illiteracy
Writer: uses basic high school anatomy/biology knowledge
Hunter: 😵💫
@@Khornecussion oh hell idk, this was the first video of theirs I watched 😅 didn't even know that Hunter was MeatCanyon, and I'm in love with that channel. Now that I've watched more of CreepCast, I regret being snarky ❤️ Hunter is hilarious
One of the smallest but scariest details about this story is how there are 5 people being experimented and then 5 random people on the team killed themselves after the event. Like whatever took over the people in the first experiment took over others later.
Agreed, I think that’s a really smart detail.
Meat tries to convince Wendi he actually likes Russian sleep experiment for an hour and twenty seven minutes ***GONE WRONG***
Other way around
@@Freddo420no
gone sensual
@@MegaPollitoconpapasNO
Kissing experiment *GONE WRONG, GONE SEXUAL*
If you guys wanted, there's a story with a similar premise but a MUCH more offputting and less buckwild tone called the Harbinger Experiment. Give it a read! It would be great to hear your thoughts even if it doesn't get a full episode.
Harbinger is the first creepy pasta I ever read and I feel it is horribly underrated. Would live to see them do a creepy cast in it.
There was also a "sequel" written where some psychologist who was obsessed with the story manipulated a patient into undergoing a version of the experiment off the books
@@kaitlint3987 ooh that's awesome
Yes!!!
I went and read this and seeing the name "Zimmerman" set off all 2 of my neurons, cause I remembered reading this back in the day! Re-reading it, I really enjoy how it's coherent and just nicely written. Having looked back at other creepypastas I haven't read in over a decade, it's shocking how poor the structuring and grammar of some of them are.
For everyone talking about wendigoon's setup:
This is just where Isaiah keeps the entity known as "wendigoon" in between videos. Not sure how he stole the camera for down there, but I hope the two are still on good terms
Wendigoon is in his time out “room” beneath the basement stairs
I read this story as a kid and was so convinced that this was real that I told my parents (who are boomers). My mom is kind of a conspiracy theorist and believed 12 year old me. She told a bunch of her friends about it and I haven’t had the heart to tell her it was a fake story from the internet
That’s a mood.
Reminds me of this storytelling card/board game my dad got us one night (where everyone takes turns adding onto a story) and 13 YO me added this whole bit with a candy kingdom with a prince named Gumball. My dad thought I was being super creative…
Never had the heart to tell him I stole the idea from that genderbent Adventure Time episode.
I’m still kept up at night from the cringe.
@@KlutzyNinjaKittywe’ve all had moments in our childhood where we shared stories/ideas from preexisting IP’s to other people. It’s just what kids do, especially ones with ADHD or other hyper fixations
Unfair. I told my mom about my serious interest in Bigfoot hunting, and she was like: “Hmm. Okay, buddy.”
I loved Isaiah ruthlessly defending parts of the writing that used medical and anatomical terms when Hunter kept jokingly trashing on it.
As someone who's dealt with chronic insomnia since I was a young teen, this was one of the few creepypasta to actually keep me up at night. Well, more than usual. I know that image, combined with the story, gave me nightmares
that's pretty ironic
Same, then i would try even harder to fall asleep bc i didnt want to end up like them but i couldn't close my eyes bc i saw that face and got scared and my mind wouldnt stop racing and repeating the story. Super scary. I tried so hard to calm myself down, took all different kinds of meds, everything
yeah it's definitely iconic, i first saw the image and the story when i was 15, shit made me scared to sleep for months but now that i'm revisiting this in podcast form it's just funny to see papa meat the funny chubby man who draws discuss this lol
As someone who used to shoot meth I can say 15 days ain't shit
@@timmypowers5926 very cool buddy, would you like a medal?
I love how papa meat has this beautiful, intricate, neon room which he is filming in and wendi is just inside a wall
Like that guy in the smiling friend's pilot
quite literally filming from inside the russian sleep experiment
That's Hunter's wall
I couldn't imagine a better duo for this project. I'd never imagine this team up, but I'm so glad it happened and continues.
Oh great, there's been a security breach.
I had a severe insomnia episode and was awake for a few hours shy of 5 days. Microsleeping made me pretty useless and by the end I was having paranoid delusions that started with thinking I was under government surveillance and evolved to "I am on a mission from god and if I fall asleep he will send Michael to kill me"
I’ve only had delusions from a 106° fever, but I was under the impression at the time that we lived in the world of The Giver and therefor meditation existed for all ailments and my parents were obviously out to make me suffer on purpose because they could have, at any time, gotten magical medicine from the speakers and yet were not doing that for me. Delusions are wild. I’m glad you eventually got to sleep. I couldn’t handle 48 hours even as a teen. Nearly 5 days is insane
Michael the angel?
@@tonnentonie2767 That's the one. It's weird looking back at it because in hindsight it's totally bizzare to think that one of the archangels would kill me as punishment for sleeping but it was so real at the time.
@@Dreamscape195holy shit
@@tonnentonie2767nah Michael Jackson
The Russian sleep experiment was my first creepypasta. I was in the realm of “is this real? Could this happen?” Like Wendigoon. I enjoyed the heavy detail of the intricate body parts and such, it keeps it somewhat ground in reality with how fantastical the story goes on.
This is one of the most impactful creepy pasta I've ever read for one reason : I've been heavily sleep deprived for a period of my life (because reasons) and the thing I remember is how your self-control, self-preservation, psychological and social barriers (not limits, barriers) go right out of the windows at one moment.
I've done the craziest things of my life while sleep deprived.
severe sleep deprivation is absolutely wild and a lot of people straight up don't realize it. even "just" being awake for, say, 30 hours, things start to get weird. keep pushing, and it's pretty much exponentially worse
U wood b good at cinama sins
Man I’m hella excited for Borrasca. Definitely one of the most unique and messed up creepypastas.
Absolutely me too. C K Walker is an amazing author. Im interested if the two parts are going to be the original story only, or including the sequel.
YES DUDE
I read it, I am honestly not looking forward to the episodes because I don't want that story again, even though I love the podcast and would love to support by listening. But damn... I have a GREAT memory for stories but I just wiped 90% of Borrasca from my mind. All I remember is that I don't want to remember it.
@@beckstheimpatient4135do you need help forgetting?
@@beckstheimpatient4135 I've never heard of the story at all, so this'll be great for me.
I think the coolest thing about the CreepCast is how constant and in depth the analysis is. You can tell how much Meat and Wendi really care about stories and getting into the nitty gritty of the details.
They both have jobs that gets them really in depth on creepy stuff. More details make creepier art for meat, and Wendi's entire channel is creepy stuff in detail
I love it. I feel like even with this short story they could’ve even gone more in depth lol. There’s just so much to talk about, and this story is only a few pages. But it makes sense because there does have to be a stopping point. Just really enjoy these stories and I’m so glad they’re covering them.
Meat: "So, it's continuous gas being pumped into the room, right?"
Goon: "It's being monitored so that it doesn't become toxic, but yes there is gas in the room."
Meat: "I like that, I'm glad that's what's happening"
For some reason, "Meat and Goon" sounds like a fucked-up kids' show or something 😂
@@dr.jacksonbright5723 like a couple of goofy ass bad guys in the ninja turtles
@@Chalepastel I might be delusional, but wasn’t there a bad guy from TMNT or some kids’ show named Meat?
@@ratgobbler meatwad in aqua teen hunger force , or you thinking of the brain guy in tmnt?
@@reyzarplays9715 I don’t think so. And I know the krang (was that their name?) was a different thing.
I was today years old when I found out the Russian Sleep Experiment is fake
dude I never realized it was a creepy pasta, I 100% thought it was a real thing that happened in like the 50s/60s 💀💀
🤦♂️
Damn you all guys brainlets
L
I never heard the real story, I just heard that people went crazy after not sleeping and got scared as hell before watching this video years later
This story is a classic
you are a classic.
Eyyyyyyyyy that's the guy
Hey it’s the guy that one guy
This narrator is a pred lol
Nice to see ya
It's wild to me that they censored the word Suicide immediately after describing a man getting his balls ripped off and the anatomical logistics of cannibalism
Blame youtube’s twisted sense of morality
That’s TH-cam for ya
TH-cam gentlemen, they allow all sort of degenerate crap but specific words are an issue.
I think the theory regarding sleep being an immune system to possible demon possession could really explain the more fantastical aspects of the story.
Also this story hits deep for me, as I used to have an unsteady sleep cycle, which caused minor hallucinations on a daily basis.
This sounds like me when I shoot meth rt
Who else wishes this was a much older channel simply to be able to binge on more CreepCast? Because I've already watched and re-watched a their content already...
They still have many hours worth of content how did you binge watch it multiple times??
“Oh my gosh. That’s it. We’re gonna fight right now.” - Wendigoon, 2023
Excellent podcast. 10/10. Love the way Wendigoon sets the mood by being in containment HIMSELF. Talk about dedication. Inshallah he will be freed soon.
Inshallah the doctors will free him once they are done
The talk about the one scary photo to anchor your mind while you read is so on point. The best example of that is probably scary stories to tell in the dark. They always had that one terrifying picture to really cement the story in your mind.
I agree. I'd probably not remember that the books at all without the art accompanying the stories.
I feel so vindicated by Wendigoon’s “making stories better in my head” bit. It drives me crazy watching people cut up and ruin stories for themselves by talking about how nothing works or makes sense. You get so much more joy out of fiction when you embellish and explain it in your mind instead of disintegrating it.
that's arguably one of the strengths of a written or spoken story anyway, the writer's job is to give you enough material to let you fill in what isn't there. the letters j-o-h-n on a page are not a guy named John with an appearance and a personality and a family etc, but those letters are enough for your brain to begin the process of making somebody up in your mind. books are great at this stuff.
an important thing to remember though, if a story turns out to be a really good springboard for your imagination it deserves praise for being that, but don't give the author all the credit for the *products* of your own imagination. I think that's a big disconnect some people have when discussing stuff. Hunter's in more of a critical mode and interested in how well the story plays by its own rules, some meta stuff like influences the author might've picked up midway through writing, etc. but Isaiah is more interested in how well the story kickstarted his own imagination as well as what the story is unto itself.
It's called the suspension of disbelief
@@dtps_champion6016 I agree with this. Some people have greater suspension than others, but everyone has a threshold.
There was one story I abandoned because I was done with the nonsense. It was a magical setting, sure, but two young parents with a home birth, zero medical staff/midwife, zero birth training, had a breech baby and was like "Just push." Both baby and mom would've died because you can't just push those out. They're not coming out and the baby will suffocate and the mother will die due to blood loss. I already hate birthing scenes that go into detail, but that was just so unrealistic I had to jump ship.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx One thing I will point out about Hunter's critiques of the story are that he's treating it like a narrative piece, where establishment of character and motive are important, which I don't personally agree with. A lot of the things he proposes such as giving the soldier a backstory or the bit about the identity of the gas would make the story worse by ruining the effect it's trying to achieve, which is that of a sort of "report". Now, the story itself diverges from being a report later on, but I still think including some of his suggestions would feel out of place in this particular piece.
YOU may feel more joy by doing this, but not everyone will, and not every piece of media is the same. Some are purposely meant to make the reader/watcher come up with their own connections and conclusions, some are just poorly written and don’t logically follow, there’s a huge difference. I can’t just turn off my brain and force myself to believe something that I know isn’t true, or ignore something that I know is illogical, that’s not how it works… there’s a difference between missing information and plot holes/contradictory information, and I hate when people write the author’s story for them.
In this specific medium, yes, the head canon is much more important to horror and suspense stories, they’re made to leave things out and allow for this headcanon. Especially short stories like creepypastas. But I see this argument all the time in relation to movies and other media coming out nowadays (especially STAR WARS) and it’s just so frustrating. It’s the writer’s job to tell a cohesive, internally consistent story, not have the audience make it up for them. I can’t and won’t just turn my brain off and consume product. And I won’t lie to myself and live outside of reality. Yes, it’s fiction, but stories are good because we can relate to them and become immersed in the worlds. Doesn’t mean they have to be ‘realistic’, just logically follow the rules that they set out for themselves in the universe. Does that mean there can be no illogical decisions made by the characters? Of course not, people are illogical all the time, so sometimes in a story it’s logical for a character to be illogical. But when the physical rules of reality and the sequence of events in a narrative are illogical, it breaks my suspension of disbelief, takes me out of the story. This isn’t something I can control, again, that’s not how brains work
Having known what Japan did with unit 731, a setting like this is very believable.
Like Hunter said, we have decades of Media pushing the ideia that the military of various nations were experimenting to make the best soldiers or killers.
That's what I like about this story.
Shiro ishii getting off scot free pisses me off
u gotta love how we have one man with a room that will make ur eyes pop out of ur head bc theres so much colors, and then theres another man with bland walls, absolutely nothing around him, and an unusual stain/smear/tape residue/miscellaneous thing on one wall. i love tjis podcast
A classic story.
I do get where Hunter is coming from in his criticisms but as a whole I think this story still works well, and would 100% benefit from adaptations. The journal entry style would be great, but I could also see an adaptation of this as a mini series where it's like in a courtroom and all the living scientists have to discuss what happened at the facility like 50+ years ago. Just the fact they could vividly remember all this stuff shows how fucking wild it is.
Another great CreepCast!
The potential really is there with this one. Especially if they keep it realistically believable to the insane experiments that were being done around WW2. I could see a really good adaptation of this being done in a depraved science experiment style. Researcher/Investigator perspective approach
The latter is a good format. Three episodes and a good score could make this incredible
Evicerations aren’t as lethal as you think, the way it kills you is via your organs losing moisture or devoloping an infection after they have been put back in and sewn up. In fact, in the army we are trained to worry about that last in combat, because of all the injuries that will kill you, and eviceration will take the longest. Hemmoraging, Hypo/hyperthermia, your ability to breathe, circulation, they’ll all take anywhere from minutes to maybe an hour or two, but very few people die of an eviceration even within that day. That was a very long winded way of saying them putting their organs back in to continue to observe the results of the experiment isn’t that far fetched seeing as it is a very doable procedure. One of the more believable things in the story which is surprising because you wouldn’t expect it to be.
I adore the theory that the patients can still feel pain and the demons like that.
- The patients laugh and smile during the surgery because they are demons reveling in the suffering of the humans they inhabit
- This is the same reason they say to “keep cutting.” They get off on knowing the former human is feeling pain
I read that as “keep cutting, the pain keeps the human awake” hence the reason why they tore off their own flesh
This always makes me think of the condition called Fatal Familial Insomnia that I learned about in psychology. A genetic condition that results in a person one day being unable to ever sleep again. Once the symptoms start the person slowly degrades over weeks and weeks of no sleep until eventually the body completely gives out and they die. Super upsetting, I hope a cure is found someday.
Hello, Town idiot here! Genuine question, would something like a medically induced coma possibly have an effect on this of some sort? Atleast it would give the body some room for restitution? I've no idea how a coma interacts with the body at that level, but it seems like the obvious first move to try no?
I dont expect you to have an answer for this, but i had to shout into the void just a little bit
Is this true! A really real condition?!?!!
@@shimoarikiku7791 Yes it is a real condition and it's terrifying
There was even a guy, I forgot his name unfortunately, who kind of documented his experience in videos online, all the way until the end
@@shimoarikiku7791 Looked into this because it sounded like it would be something out of a creepy pasta. It's real and the prognosis is 6 months to 7 years with most dying around a year and half after diagnosis. Spooky
@@shimoarikiku7791 unfortunately, yes. takes around six months to die after diagnosis i believe.
Obviously audio-based media is one of my main avenues. Unless movies and television have audio description. The fact that you guys are covering these older stories and having discussions on them is so nice
That's so cool!
What games or types of games do you play or are able to play?
@@Zackaria_sMax I have played call of duty, all types of fighting games for mortal Kombat to Street fighter, Diablo 3 and Diablo IV, I've even tried a couple games that don't have much in the way of blind accessibility, I've played through the first last of us and Mike played the second.
What features should more games use to help aid blind people? Is there anything Devs can do? Also do you have any good examples of games that make themselves accessible to blind gamers?
@SlamDunkYaJunk with games like street fighter I believe they get a special stick that's about vibration
I've always just saw it as a story of addiction and the horrible self destructive aspects that many who suffer from addiction will resort to.
i love Papa Meat's mildly pleasant reaction every time Wendigoon segues back into the story in increasingly intricate ways 32:26. The chemistry is *chef's kiss
you can hear him nodding his head
I love the back and forth in how you guys consumed this story 😂 Isaiah is just like wrapped in how cool each new brutal idea is and Meat Canton is like an armchair psychologist for the author it’s awesome
Don't get me wrong, the story is pretty well-done; but I think the image is what really takes the Russian Sleep Experiment from "oh, that's creepy" to "I'll be keeping the lights in my room on tonight". It sits perfectly on the line between obviously being a monster/prop and an appearance that a human body could actually take under sufficiently horrible circumstances. It gives you imagery for some of the things that the descriptions sort of lack (like the condition of their skin, as was mentioned). That image takes the whole experience from a 5/10 to an 8/10 for me.
@matto6639 I know. Doesn’t really change its impact for me
Definitely have to agree, the image really does sell the whole idea, like just imagining yourself turning into that when not sleeping, like the monstrous/demon like but still humanoid appearance, going manic and everything, I had like a dozen different situations in my head of everything going wrong while reading it so I was surl that the 'creatures' died so 'easily' Overall the Idea is fantastic, could've been executed a lot better if it was longer, but enough to really immerse yourself into to thoughts and theories of this being real.
So cool of wendigoon to record himself at the actual site of the russian sleep experiment
Guys, I have had a few drinks. But let me just say, this was absolutely the creepypasta I have been dreaming of you talking about. I hope both of you wonderful men have the most fantastic of weeks.
Bro is absolutely hammered leaving the lovely post how wholesome
You sir are goated for that
@tylerclapp4349 he's definitely not remembering this text tomorrow
You too lol
@@tylerclapp4349 me also absolutely hammered smiling at this interaction
Papa Meat and Wendigoon narrating the creepypastas that haunted my childhood is always a gift
On the topic of the whole living without organs and being this sort of moving corpse, hard drugs can actually have that affect. My stepdad is a cop and he used to tell me stories of the stuff he's seen, one of these was about how he went to a homicide call, the father had been on hard drugs I don't remember which exactly but it had caused him to kill his wife and daughter. Whenever my stepdad had gotten there the father was sitting on the living room floor after having disemboweled himself and was still conscious talking about how there was, "Something inside him that he had to get out." All while rummaging through his own intestines.
Damn,, your dad lived through a real creepypasta then. My civilian ass would assume that guy was haunted/possessed and noped the fuck outta there. I have zero desire to be any horror media protagonist lol
“There’s bugs in your skin”
The schizo mf in the friend group:
(i’m so sorry)
In fairness of all your organs the digestive tract is like one of teh few you could cocoevbly live without for an amount of time
@@_indigo_inkedthat guy was definitely haunted or possessed.
@wingedfish1175 Appendix? Gallbladder? Sometimes even the pancreas or adrenal glands given proper medical care.
Wendigoon's theory is EXACTLY how I interpreted this story, that the subjects were being taken over by some unseen evil force. Love your guy's breakdown of the story. I wish the writer had taken the story and created a full detailed book with back stories and more drawn-out scenes.
I agree with Meat, it feels like a good start but with more character development and side stories like a nurse secretly huffing the gas and not sleeping or the commander being more malicious making his death more satisfying. But I mean if this was someone’s 1st or second story that’s amazing
Same!
This is gonna sound weird, but when I write stuff in DnD, this is the kind of writing I aspire to. Based enough in reality and science to be believable, but also enough in the fantastical to be wonderful. Usually not body horror and all that, but with frogs that puff up with helium to float away, falcons with oily wings that can spark their claws together to ignite into flame. I love whenever stories make an effort to make the viewer/reader think "Yeah, I could see that working." That's why I love the channel Roanoke Gaming. Anyway, amazing story, CANNOT WAIT for Borrasca!
I also love curious archive for biologically plausible fantasy worldbuilding
That's the best. Like with I Am Legend (the book), it's got a bit based on reality with some suspension of disbelief. The people who try and demand it to be completely spot on are a bit weird and cringe lol it's fantasy bro
If you love stuff like that there's a book series i believe called "The Leviathan" by Scott Westerfield. The premise is that you have the east and west bloques of Europe however instead of that you have Beastie (biopunk) and clanker (steampunk) which has some very interesting world building.
@@ethanstyant9704 definitely gonna give it a read! Thank you for the recommendation!!!
It's one of the reasons I love mystery fleshpit!! Like the concept gets me hyped to create because of how well it's been created. Where it's horrific and scary but also awe-inspiring just because of how massive of a concept it is that, suspending belief, it feels like it could happen
This is legit one creepypasta I wish somehow someone would make an actual whole hour and a half movie adaptation to. This was one of the first ones I listened to on TH-cam and it was believable enough that I thought it may have been real and thought that's what creepypasta's were. I learned really quick it was just fake to my disappointment (I'm a horror junkie.). But a lot of the old stories are amazing from back then.
You ever seen the Divide (2011)? Some people in a bunker after a nuclear war all lose their minds.
Kind of similar concept, but yeah i agree, would love to see a full length movie based on the Sleep Experiment
@@moisturisedgnome1181 There definitely is a movie the "The Sleep Experiment" (2022) but it's... not great
The Soviet Sleep Experiment (2019) this ones better
Just got done with the Borrasca pt 2 video, and needed a cleanser after that intense journey. The huge shift of mood going from the end of that over here though, hits hard. The light. And levity. The calm before the emotion and pain lands on yall.
Let's hope this doesnt drain what's left of my soul.
Finally a palate cleanser
Same, Borrasca is so gut-wrenching. I'm fine now, but it hit me like a freight train. My body was going numb when the stables came into the story 😭
Yuuuup, it's actually nice talking about it online with others who have experienced it because it's one of those fictional stories that sticks in my brain but I can't imagine recommending it to anyone knowing what I know now.
When the guy said “I must remain awake” it made me think of how, in the beginning, they were promised their freedom if they could stay up for all 30 days. So the true underlying horror is how bad the place they were being kept and how badly they were being treated as prisoners there that they’d rip out their own organs if that’s what it took to stay awake in order to win their freedom.
@Antonio-Gransci I just think the most horrifying horror is when, at the end, it’s just people. Every terrifying story of the most gruesome body horror, the most twisted violence, the deepest depravity you’ve ever heard; it all came from the mind of a person. Just some guy. The scariest thing to me is what one human could come up with in their mind to do to another, that’s all.
I could fully be inflating the memory of this nosleep, but I do remember one called "The Arkansas Sleep Experiments", or something titled to that effect, that does this premise of not sleeping much better (in my own opinion). It follows the experience of the participants more closely and is approached in less of a field report sense. There are quite a few moments that to this day have stuck with me; mentions of "impossible angles" and "corners in rooms that shouldn't exist". Loved this! So glad to see two of my favourite horror fan youtubers doing a podcast together now :)
I always loved the suggestion that sleep is something weve evolved to have to keep this darkness at bay, i remember reading this as a kid and thinking it was real because i was young enough to be impressionable but old enough to start learning about all the human experiments that happened in ww2
It's worth mentioning that the KGB literally did not exist during WW2. At the time, the agency responsible for the jobs that later fell to the KGB was the NKVD, though they had a number of other jobs besides
Wendigoon managed to take a tired story that I’ve heard 1000 times and make it horrifying again. The thought of a demon taking control of my body and cutting out my insides while I can feel it… that’s some hell raiser shit and I’m here for it
That's Evil Dead shit to a T, which is my favorite horror franchise so I like the story a bit more with Wendigoon's interpretation
I wish they made an episode every week. Seriously, this is legit one of my favorite podcasts, and was after only 1 episode. Awesome stuff.
Man, I love these kinds of crazy science experiment creepypastas. That's why I liked the Mount Greylock series so much. The story of science going so far into the unknown that it turns into supernatural is so cool.
I love that wendigoon and papameat are big now. I remember finding both of them a few years ago, longer than it feels fs. Im so happy to see both of you collabing and doing good. Ive literally moved to a new place for more opportunity, girlfriend of 10 years left because of alcoholism, got sober, got my wife back, held a decent job, and now finally have our own place. Thank you guys, especially wendigoon with his videos, specifically the mlk one, for getting me through dishwashing last year, depression, and my current job. (He did sick work on the mlk video, if you have not yet check it out.)
It's amazing how our Iceberg boi locked himself in a chamber similar to the one from the story just so we could hit new heights of immersion.
This was my favorite creepypasta! I’m so glad you guys are covering it!
My favorite part of CreepCast is when Meat plays devil's advocate even with good stories that it gets Wendigoon riled up then defends it, seeing them go back and forth is funny.
Tbh I always love that. I'm always open to new sides and perspectives and while I may disagree with one, I like to understand why they wouldn't like an aspect or do like an aspect in breakdowns which is perfect in this format.
My favorite part about the story is the way they do the perspective. It does a really good job of making you feel like you're on the research side of the glass, terrified of what's inside the chamber, or a person just reading a recap of the events afterwards. Such good storytelling.
Love how wendi's fan fic explanation sounds like warp possession from 40k.
This is the only creepypasta I remember thinking was a real story when I originally read it. Legendary.
I fricking love stories like this. Anytime there's nothing supernatural and it's just the natural horrors of the mind of mankind it just hits that sweetspot.
While it could with a bit of a rewrite, this is still one of the best creepypastas out there to this day. Great video guys!
"Who's the guy holding him down how long has he been working there" was one of the worst examples of worthwhile backstory Meat could have come up with on the spot lmao
As we approach 2024, I wanted to reach out and thank the both of you for your incredible content and personalities. You both probably get this a lot and I don’t know if you’ll ever read this, but I want to say it anyway for my own sake. Here it is:
I love horror and this year began my first full-on horror novel. You guys have been huge inspirations for me, not just because of the topics you cover or the advice you give on storytelling, but also the wisdom you’ve brought me in general and the ability to turn to your vids when stuff goes bad. I’m in high school and have dealt with some pretty bad stuff (mental health wise) and have had multiple hiccups in my writing schedule, but you two always managed to reinvigorate my motivation or at the very least give me something to enjoy when I’m not writing. Wendigoon, I would never have the knowledge I have of things like religious symbolism or cryptids if not for you and even if I’m not Christian I strive to be as cool as you. Hunter, your animations, horrific concepts and humor have inspired my drawings and writing in ways that I can’t explain here but trust me, it is so freaking cool. You’re so cool. Both of you guys rock and this podcast has honestly made my year 10x better than it would’ve been without it. Anyway, I’m about to write my book now. Hoping to finish it by the time I end college (I’m nowhere near done and it’s gonna be quite long lol) but I had to get that off my chest. New Year’s Resolution: write more and be as cool as you guys who inspire me so much. Ily guys so much and even though I am not sure whether you’ll read this or not I wanted to share this for New Year’s considering 2023 was really difficult and I have hope for 2024.
Best of luck to you on your novel!!
I think this creepypasta would make an awesome radio show. Meat has a lot of good suggestions on how to adapt the script to be more cinematic, but I do like the minimalist nature of the original story, as it makes it sound more authentic, at least until the last few moments when it gets overdramatic.
I love Wendigoon unabashedly supporting when he likes something rather than being like "yeah I guess you're right it's lame..." no instead he's like "HATER, HATER, HATER!" lol
Now this is a classic. The ending stuff is absolutely outlandish, but it feels very real. The writing style feels very documentarian and journalistic. The imagery is very vivid. This is one that sticks with you. Again, the ending is almost too outrageously gory, but I think otherwise it stands the test of time.
LOVED the disagreements, you guys encapsulate both sides of myself as I read these. Wonderful work~!
I just want to start by saying that I've always had a severe aversion to that one Russian Sleep Experiment screamer (the same one used in the thumbnail). I'd even call it a phobia. Finding this video in my recommended on New Years (when I already had a resolution to make change for the better in my life; getting over such a fear would be in line with said resolution), mixed with seeing the image in color (it's normally in black and white in most depictions), all mixed together with an existing desire to have some Wendigoon content playing in the background while I play Minecraft, allowed me to stare at the image for an extended period of time, and watch the video. I know it doesn't sound like much, but for a guy like me who hates that image like nothing else, it's a big step for me
I feel you man
Big ups bro
If you get dread from seeing it like i used to it becomes alot less scary when you find out that its just a halloween prop from the early 2000s i forgot the exact name of it but its quite easy to find when you look it up
Yes i found it! Its a maybe half meter tall animatronic called spazm
@@helix-nh1pvthat does make me feel a little better... but it still scares the shit out of me 😅
I've suffered from extreme insomnia my whole life and have even been hospitalized and taken to the ER multiple times for not being able to sleep in fact the first time I listened to this I hadn't slept in almost 3 days typically an episode will last about 3 days but my worst one was almost 6 days I don't remember what happened but I remember waking up in the hospital and finding out that I had slept for 2 days straight after being pumped with an outrageous amount of drugs to finally get me to sleep and my family tells me that I had some sort of break from reality I'm better now but it's impossible for me to sleep without medication this creepypasta has always been so much scarier to me for this reason
One of the coolest details in this story is that the participants become terrified of sleeping when I have episodes the longer I stay awake the more scared I get to fall asleep I even get paranoid that everyone is trying to make me sleep It's insane
I know its pretty crazy I'm sharing this with strangers online BUT I really want others to understand how important some of the details are and I'm pretty desensitized to my whole situation because its all just so normal to me now
Nope youre cool, i totally get what youre saying, thank you for sharing that side of things
Punctuation?
@@Sushiboii112 Punctuation is against my religion
I really love Wendi's take on what is happening to the subjects. It helps a lot of the seemingly random events connect. This new take on it really gives me a new appreciation for the story. I already loved this story, but now I love it even more.
Why, though? Its lame af.
I kinda hate it, I think the implication was meant to be that this is just something hidden within ourselves, some kind of higher level of consciousness that's being suppressed by sleep.
@@noosa187 not even higher level, I reckon. Just base animal tendencies being suppressed by the conscious mind.
@@noosa187 I think even in your word choice by using "something" it shows how little difference it makes whether that thing is an entity that embodies something humans suppress or just well something humans suppress. I think the author was going more for entity though with the hive mind like behavior and little speech at the end and that's why it leans more heavily into paranormal. Gateway of the mind was another creepy pasta from the same time that had a similar theme. Basically depriving the body of normal functions to access something not meant to be.
@@stonehallow It makes a world of difference. Muh demon is some boring externality, something within you, intrinsic to yourself, is far more unnerving.
Weirdly I think this story is why I make sleep a priority. Like, I manipulated myself into making sure I get 8 hours a day because this story freaked me out so much.
I loved that papa meat gave the demons the markiplier voice. Everytime he said more, my mind would add milk to the end of it.
Hunter talking about how he’d talk about his trauma 3 hours in, would just be him telling the other prisoners about how his grandfather in a mobility scooter shot his dog.