Seasonal Rot Showcase | How Butch Hartman Ruined Danny Phantom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- Danny Phantom was a good show that was praised by audiences across the globe...and then the opposite happened in Season 3.
0:00 - Introduction
1:24 - Personal Thoughts on Danny Phantom
7:06 - With Apologies to the Dam Shippers
11:49 - God This Show Got Lame
20:53 - The Series Finale Hurt Me Personally
31:44 - The Aftermath
34:32 - Final Thoughts
Deleted scene: • Sam Manson Gets Cancelled
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Honestly I think Danny Phantom is one of the few shows that would greatly benefit from a reboot. Just keep Hartman away and hire some competent writers and the reboot could even be better than the original.
It is a good thing that Butch wasn't involved with Danny Phantom: A Glitch In Time graphic novel because of the scummy things he did.
@@michaelsarmiento3057 same here..
If they do, I hope they bring back Steve marmel!
A reboot is unlikely, since we've received a sequel graphic novel with a second one in store. Incidentally, A Glitch in Time is extremely good, and it redeems so much of what was bad about S3!
Still miffed at what he changed with the whole Ghost aspect.
Changing them from once living humans and animals, to essentially ALIENS.
Despite lore given in earlier episodes that had some being alive at one point. The Puppy dying in the pound, Desiree being killed by a queen, Sidney Poindexter, the Dairy King, etc.
Could have made for interesting plot points, imagine how Jack's family reunion could have turned out if they KEPT the original style intact. My idea would have been: "Danny deals with a ghost, who is actually one of his ancestors.. THAT would have been so cool."
Could have even had some ghosts be purified, basically reveal that most ghosts only turn evil due to unresolved aspects of their old lives, resulting in Danny and the gang starting to try to HELP some of them. Thus becoming allies during that Ghost King arc. *Just picturing Technus turning good and helping Danny fix some fenton tech when the it gets destroyed or something.*
Box ghost being neglected resulting in him becoming the most difficult one to take down.
The nuttiest thing is that this is still by far the most well aged of any Butch's work.
Butch Hartman is a polar opposite of King Midas. While one transforms everything he touches into gold, another makes everything a sh#t.
If Butch Hartman wanted to have the show running longer he should have stated that there are ghost who are the disembodied spirits of dead people and animals and there are those who are not and were always otherworldly creatures or monsters from another dimension and made Sam an emo girl instead of a goth girl and he should have given her a regular t shirt instead of a crop top and in the episode Infinite Realms Sam should have the trio should have retched because of the horrible smells of the time in Salem Massachusetts 1600s mentioned that that the past smells terrible very unsanitary lifestyle back then and she should have mentioned that the puritans and the other villagers to kill completely innocent people because they thought they were allegedly witches and that they allegedly they were in league with the Devil and then said they just burn them at the stake
You kidding me?! While he's not perfect, his work on FOP and DP was the bomb!
If Butch Hartman was less egotistical, he would have allow Steve Marmel to make Danny Phantom Season 3 darker in exchanged for ending Danny Phantom early. Why? It is because Butch is afraid of making Danny Phantom getting a darker and more serious tone in Season 3. Plus, Butch is afraid of making Danny Phantom growing up with the audience and scared of making Danny Phantom have a mature tone and should stay a kids show.
He was afraid of making Danny Phantom as good as Avatar.
Same with Tuff Puppy. I would like Marmel to work on this show.
I think TUFF Puppy also would’ve been better with people instead of starting animals.
Another guess as to why Butch didn't want this show to invoke Cerberus Syndrome was because he saw what happened with Invader Zim, though I know that the dark tone wasn't the only reason that show got cancelled.
It's not because he's selfish, it's because the parents have a problem and he doesn't want them to sue him, since those types of people complain about everything.
As a Catholic myself, I never understood what’s so anti Christian about ghosts. Because it’s not even like we don’t believe in ghosts. Like we clearly do considering we believe in life after death. It’s just that we believe souls either go to Heaven or Hell and can’t wander the living world is all. But as if retconning your fantasy show about ghosts and turning them into monsters instead(who still use dark magic) was going to make it anymore Christian!
Actually, I'm a huge fan of that retcon.
20:08
My personal theory on why "D-Stableized" might be vastly different from the rest of Season 3's quality may possibly be due to that it was freelance written by Amy Keating Rogers.
She's one of the sweetest people and one of the people in the industry who takes writing for animation very seriously.
Her past works include Dexter's Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack, Foster's, Fairly Oddparents, MLP, among others.
And her peer's where constantly going around trying to write episodes and a finalé.
Poor feckers.
I laughed at the Starco jumpscare
Patrick and the pole had more chemistry than Danny and Sam. I agree wholeheartily about Danny should've hooked up with Valerie instead of Sam
If Danny should hooked up with Valerie instead of Sam, then what would Misty and Jackson would look like if Valerie was the mother?
tbh i dont see val and danny lasting long at all. both of them doesnt intend to tell each other their secret identities. with his life going as it is the better choice is def someone who got and supported him since day 1
@@kishi5236 Which is *ALSO NOT A GOOD CHOICE.* Samantha Manson is abhorrent, selfish and manipulative trash towards Danny from the VERY BEGINNING.
One of the reasons why I pair a kind ghost with a selfless sponge.
Danny and Sam forever.
The best things to come out of season 3 for me was Dani and the more god-like ghosts (which, by AGIT's canon are the manifestations of humanity's collective emotions towards concepts like time, dreams, nature, violent weather, ect). They should've stuck with the plot of Dani being adopted by the Fentons, i would love to see her and Danny's sibling bond grow
My Favorite Ghost is Frostbite and I fear for him in the sequel to AGIT, since he is one of the most popular fans there is and a charismatic character.
@@igneelthefiredragonking AGIT has done a great job of fleshing out the characters and the Ghost Zone's setting/history. If anything, i have high hopes for future books; the next release is Fall 2025 and Valerie is gonna be a main character
@@jthecryptid I fear that something bad will be done to Frostbite in the AGIT sequel, he is my favorite character and I don't want something bad to happen to him
Overall, poor Danny isn't also safe from seasonal rot, because Butch didn't fully make the whole show.
The fact that a graphic novel fixing the finale's problems shows how incompetent Butch was, and still is.
The fact that
Speaking of which, guys, I've reviewed the list of episodes for season 3 and Hartman has only written 3 of the chapters: Infinite Kingdoms, Urban Jungle and Phantom Planet, there is another one that he co-wrote with someone else but I don't remember the one. name, the rest was written by other people
I feel likeunder steve's reign if the show stuck with the ghost being spirits of the deceased and applied it to nocturn and under growth , it would have made their designs make more sense, for example have nocturn previously being someone who wanted to" touch the stars" since childhood so they worked up ranks to become an astronaut , they became stunned to look at the beauty of the cosmos only for the ship to malfunction causing his demise and the last thing they saw was the stars , hence nocturns design, and undergrowth previously being a rookie tomb raider , looking to make a name for hiself to take this rumored artifact in a jungle some somewhere in south America, only to die in one of the traps that involved various poisonous flora and fonna and no one bithered to find his body hence undergrowths design danny could have reasoned with them possibly by retrieving space based momento for nocturn so he could pass on and try to track down some family of undegrowths past and inform them about what happened and mabye give him a proper send off so that undergrowrh can fade away conforted that he us at keast remembered , it maybe cheesy or cliched but at least it's something but thats just my opinion.
😢 That was more thought put into it than what the creator had.
What about Vortex?
@@michaelsarmiento3057 I like Vortex being an amalgamation of hundreds of people who died in a hurricane. That would have been terrifying.
I like that the comics are taking a middle ground between "ghosts are dead people" and "ghosts are aliens". Ghosts are manifestations of human emotions, either as a collective unconscious or "echoes" of dead humans. So, Nocturne and Vortex are manifestations of emotions to things like dreams and violent weather. Vortex could be the collective trauma and grief of humans who lost loved ones to or themselves died in natural disasters, Nocturne is humanity's collective fears of nightmares, the dark and the unknown ect.
If that is very cliché, it also looks like that series where a girl sees ghosts or spirits that need to cross, so I don't see it as very viable.
Frostbite is my favorite character, the truth is that with the characters in the Danny series I connected the most with him, and I fear what could happen to him in the AGIT sequel, since many times, characters that one If anything, something very bad usually happens to them, and I'm afraid that something bad will happen to Frostbite.
This is why I still hope to get into animation...and get enough rep to do my own Danny Phantom reboot.
I hope not, I'm not against it but I think it's better that the series stays as it is, since a reboot is a double-edged sword, it can be a good thing, but it could also be a bad thing.
It's possible that there are different types of ghost
Dead souls and Natives
But yea Butch trying to retcon shit was dumb
I also think that there are 2 types of ghosts, the souls that come from the earth and the Native souls from there, Frostbite and his people, Wulf, Skulker, Waker, the Dragon princess, Vortez, Undergrowth, the guardian of the key to the sacrocophagus of pariah, clockwork, the council of ghosts and many more, for example, could be native to the Ghost Zone, and there are others like the boy in that locker, the ghost of the checkouts, the lunch lady who are from the human world at the same time. At least that's what I think, I don't know why they complain about the fans that appeared in the third season. Frostbite, for example, is among the 15 popular characters in this series, and he is a very charismatic character.
Nah, probably elementals. They are spirits, like Faeries or Yo-Kai.
They just pop up.
@@harrietr.5073 umm good. argument
the worst thing in season 3 for me
1)Tucker being mayor (because like we see how he acts around girls and like his 14 old)
2)where is valerie ???like I want to see her more in this season!
3)I don't feel nothing to new villians like even skulker gives me some fun and like villians from season 3 really more I will rule over the world (I think maybe the guy who can shapeshift only the intresting villian)
4)jazz what happened to you???? like okay sam and tucker they are 14 I think and they don't really understand danny but jazz why you acting like you don't care about your brother without his powers
5)butcher's retcon
The reason why Tucker can't be mayor was because when anytime Tucker gets hold of power, he is easily gets corrupted by it. This can be seen in 2 Danny Phantom episodes: What You Want and King Tuck. For example, when Tucker gets ghost powers, like Danny, instead of using for good, he uses it for personal gain.
Another reason is that Tucker is too young to be mayor. He is 14 years old.
@@michaelsarmiento3057 I agree actually!
Justice for Valerie!
And what do you think of Frostbite? He is a good or bad character, his personality amazes me, and his appearance, he is very charismatic
@@igneelthefiredragonking he is actually one of my fovorite things in season 3
I agree that he is good character
The way Phantom Planet had Danny get rid of his powers was seriously stupid (re-enacting how it got them in the first place. That'd be like Peter losing his spider powers by being bit by another radioactive spider). Like, there was already a device that separates Danny from his Ghost side with the Ghost Dreamcatcher (and if we count it, the the Ghost Gauntlets from Ultimate Enemy).
In fact Danny could have reversed the polarity of the portal at that moment to nullify his ghost powers, it's like Forge's mutant gene cure in the current X-men comics
In the first pisode (Mistery Meat) Danny said ''If only my father had a a machine to make me normal again'' and PP says that the portal that made him ghost could make him normal again.
@@ClaudetteVioletta ok
Lancer gets so many L's in the show I just wanna give the poor guy a hug
I hate shipping in general. So I have no preference for who Danny should have ended up with, but always leaned toward Sam since it was always being "hinted" at even early in the series. So when you started pointing out everything wrong with it, you had me. I was like "Yeah thats true. Hes right." But you literally invalidated everything you were saying by making fun of Sam at the end by calling her a "self righteous vegan". She was a vegetarian. Not a vegan. You saying that line made it clear this wasnt about you beibg impartial and looking at things from a writing standpoint. This was about you disliming Sam as a character and not wanting ANYTHING to do with her. This became a crusade for you to just bash her and boost Valerie. You liked Val and Dan more because you liked VAL more. And it is fine to like Val. Heck its fine to not like Sam. But when you start making it about the characters personally and not the ship, then it tanks any credibility your argument had. Because it becomes clear what this was about, hate and finding reasons to justify that hate. Also, if that vegan comment was just a away to slam vegetarians and vegans, then that shows just how self centered you are and how narrow your perspective is. Get a reality check dude. Until then, I dont like your chances of convincing anyone of anything other than those who already shared your views.
I would not say that plot thread with Valerie and Vlad was forgotten in Phantom Planet because Vlad calls her a crackpod on National TV
Of course🙄.... complain that it makes no sense for Frostbite or Vortex to be non-human, when there is a ghost knight, a ghost werewolf that we don't know how they seriously died, stop complaining about that, I think about it like this, in the ghost Zoa there are 2 types of ghosts, the natives there, and the ghosts that come from the Human world, just like that.🙄
I really don’t get all the Sam hate or hate towards Danny x Sam. It’s sad, because this appears to be the norm on all videos criticizing the last season of Danny Phantom.
Until either Nick or Barfman sell the series to someone who would actually fix it, I vowed myself to enjoy fanart & fanfics I make or find, completely ditching everything that happened in the original series and anything Nickelodeon released. Sounds weird, but what choice do fans like me have if both the studio and the original creator refuse to listen to suggestions, requests and never respond to fanmail for some unknown and dumb reasons?
the main problem of the sam x danny story is simply that these two were only one step away to become a couple, then it's obviously not possible to have a development of the romantic chemistry.
In the best case, they should have brought them together in the season one finale as the big thing in the end.
I know that would mean that the Val x Danny situation would never happen, but there would be the opportunity to bring them closer, but Danny decides for Sam. There were so many options to create the love part in the series more interesting.
Anyways I stil like Sam x Danny.
I want to see them ghost hunter team up against Vlad
I recognize that duelist of the roses music
If you understand that Butch only wrote 4 episodes of season 3, right, I don't understand why so much hatred towards the man, seriously.
7 episodes, actually. And he directed all of them
@@ClaudetteVioletta okay
Actually I thought season 3 is ok but the ending was ass
Danny Phantom season 3 and Community season 4 are the same and also opposites
YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW AND IM HERE TO DO WHAT I JUST SAID I AM NOT WATCHING SOME LIES YOU MADE
why do u sound like that
Terry McGinnis got together with his bland Asian girlfriend actually
Danny and Sam forever
😊
tbh theres never a clear plot for the show since season 1 lmao. they couldve kept that up and gave us a half assed last episode but im more glad they didnt bc it gave the fans a chance to expand the lore if we wanted. everything stated about ghosts and the gz are merely theories by the characters im glad they atleast tried to expand this in season 3(keyword tried) specially with how cartoons were at the time.
in the 3rd season too danny was less...stupid?? idk feels like hed grown a bit since he rarely made stupid decisions that lead him to clean up messes he accidentally made.
im all for enemies to lovers as mumch as the next guy but valerie? bffr the dude is stressed enough in his life he needed someone he could trust. frankly i dont see them lasting (dudes gonna ask her to be his gf with a ring with a diff girls name on it thats already a bad start) nvm that they dont trust each other at all.
with his bff it was a prolonged burn that gradually developed from season 1 to season 3. sure the executions couldve been better but atleast it wasnt aang and katara type of surprise. they both didnt instantly liked each other as more than best friends the fake out make out jump started it. but embers manipulation pushed back the slow burn even more. their relationship developing as lowkey there while they still grow and figure things out as a ghost fighting teenagers. in the episode reign storm he was asking for a sign of something from her which she didnt gave which lead to him going out with the next girl that gave him the attention he needed. but even before gregor came into the picture, its still lowkey developing in some episodes in the 2nd season its just not the focus at all.
Technically, Dana from Batman Beyond was a boring ASIAN girl, but still.
Dana was asian? I thought she was just a white girl with black hair.
Valerie is much better off with Tucker.