The question one must ask when studying about the Holy Spirit is: is it speaking about the identity or the nature of the Holy Spirit? Pastor Randy Skeete, who I appreciate very much, understands scripture to mean the Holy Spirit is God- it’s his identity. However, I have searched high and low in the Bible for a scripture that actually says “God the Holy Spirit” and I still haven’t found one. The scriptures only say, “the spirit of God” which refers to its nature. God and Christ are Holy so either of their spirits are Holy. Read these two statements and tell me if they mean the same thing: The Bible of Randy’s. Randy the Bible. Now compare: The spirit of God. God the spirit. How about: The spirit of Randy. Randy the spirit. 1 Chronicles 28:12 talks about “the house of God”. Could we interpret this to mean that God is a house too? “God the house”? Consider this scripture talking about an experience that Simpson had. Judges 15:19 (KJV) But God clave an hollow place that [was] in the jaw, and there came water thereout; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived: wherefore he called the name thereof Enhakkore, which [is] in Lehi unto this day. Was the spirit that came again into Samson a being other than Samson? It sounds silly I know but that is just what the trinity doctrine tries to convince us of. I am born and raised a Seventh-day Adventist but have felt confused with the plain “thus saith the Lord” in the Bible regarding His spirit and how He is knocking at the door of my heart and wants to live in me, with the doctrine of the trinity that my church accepted in 1980. After learning last year that my church has a liaison, so to speak, that meets regularly with the pope at the Vatican (Dr. Ganoune Diop) I was blown away to say the least! He wrote and also spoke in a message that “we are united with the Catholic Church through the shared doctrine of the trinity.” He also said that those who deny the doctrine of the trinity are heretics. What!? This revelation drove me to study it out in the Scriptures and sister White’s writings. There is no biblical or SP support for the doctrine of the trinity. None. I also learned that it was mainly through Dr. Kellogg and later Leroy Froom that this doctrine crept into our church. Remember the war in heaven? Lucifer was jealous of Christ’s sonship and was trying to undermine Him and the Father. Remember what satan tempted Christ to doubt? The words that God spoke at His baptism. God said, “this is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”… satan tempted, ” if thou be the Son of God”… the trinity doctrine teaches us to deny that Christ is the divine son of God and to accept and invite another spirit god to live in us. Who said, “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me”? (Revelation 3:20) It is Christ’s very Spirit that is knocking and waiting to sup with us. Let Him come in not another.
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1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. The Father and the Son have the same mind, same thought. Jesus received him from his Father in heaven and as the Son of man at his baptism.The one and only God is the Father, there is no other like him and Jesus is his Son, the image of the Father.
John 10:30 [30]I and my Father are one. John 14:9 [9]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 20:29 [29]Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Genesis 1:2 [2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Matthew 28:19 [19]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
@@untoldhistory2800 the fact that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God does not make him less and take away from him, it actually adds to his name, in fact the heart of the great controversy is that Satan challenged the sonship of Jesus, stating that if he was born of the Father, this implied that he was created, when in reality being begotten and created are two different things
The Foundations of Our Faith. In a letter addressed to Kellogg in 1903, Ellen White defended the truth very plainly: “Your ideas are so mystical that they are destructive to the real substance, and the minds of some are becoming confused in regard to the foundation of our faith. If you allow your mind to become thus diverted, you will give a wrong mold to the work of that has made us what we are-Seventh-day Adventists.” (Letter 52, 1903) Now that we know what Kellogg believed, we need to understand why what Kellogg was teaching was endangering “the foundation of our faith” that makes us Seventh-day Adventists. What is it that was considered to be the foundation at that time? In other words, what was the church teaching about this topic that Kellogg was departing from, causing Ellen White to write, “You're endangering the foundation of the faith;” “you're departing from the faith”? Let's see what the servant of the Lord had to say about the Spirit. Do you know that statement of hers that says, “third person of the Godhead,” a phrase that people still use today? Does she explain to us who the third person of the Godhead is? Does she explain more about the Holy Spirit? Yes she does. Here is one of her statements found in the Review and Herald in 1906: “It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing; the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.” [She quoting John 6:63]. Christ is not here referring to to his doctrine, but to His person, the divinity of His character.” (Review And Herald, April 5, 1906). The Holy Spirit is a person. Sister White said, “It’s the third person of the Godhead.” but it is the person of whom? It's the person of Christ; it is Christ omnipresent. This is who the Holy Spirit is. Kellogg was teaching that the Holy Spirit is a third person different from the Father and the Son. Identity of the Comforter For even more evidence of correctness of the pioneers’ common understanding, read John 14:16-18: “ And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” Ellen White commented about John 14, when Jesus was speaking about the Comforter that would come. “That Christ should manifest Himself to them and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of an outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation.” (Southern Watchman, September 3, 1898). Here is a powerful statement: “While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, ‘Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world’ (Matthew 28:20).” (Desire of Ages, page 166). This is made possible by His divine omnipresence. We have more to examine, and although we have read a few quotations, repetition in different contexts deepens the impression. These repeated quotations should make even more sense now. “Christ declared that after His ascension, He would send to His church, as His crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take His place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit, - the soul of His life, the efficacy of His church, the light and life of the world. With His Spirit, Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.” (Review and Herald, May 19, 1904). Now that was a very clear definition and you do not want to miss it. The Comforter that Jesus promised to send is the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit is the soul of His life. Question: is the soul of Jesus’ life a different person from Himself? No. It's His very own person, His very own personality. How can the soul of the life of Christ be a different individual from Christ? Continuing: “The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul.” (HM November 1, 1893). And here is another example of that fact. “The Lord knows all about His faithful servants who for His sake are lying in prison or who are banished to lonely islands. HE COMFORTS THEM WITH HIS OWN PRESENCE.” (Desire of Ages p 669). Who is Your Comforter? Let me ask you this personal question: “Who is your Comforter?” This is a question that each one of us needs to answer. After all, your Comforter is the one who helps you overcome sin by faith in Christ. If you believe the doctrine that Kellogg believed-the one called Trinity, which is actually tritheism, or a belief in three gods-you would believe the teaching that God the Son ascended to heaven to minister there as our high priest, and now a third god-God the Holy Spirit-takes over here on earth and is your Comforter. That false Comforter, replacing the true Comforter which is the presence of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, is the role that Satan wants to fill. He wants to draw your worship away from the one true God to Himself. So... who is your Comforter? The true one, or the counterfeit one? What does Ellen White say? “There is no Comforter like Christ, so tender and so true.” (Review and Herald October 26, 1897). And this: “The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” (Manuscript Releases, Volume 8, page 49). What comfort would you receive from someone who was not “made flesh and dwelt among us,” who was not “tempted in all points like as we are,” who is therefore not “able to succour us” as we are tempted? That is not very comforting, is it? Shall we believe that Jesus came to earth, lived here for thirty-three-and-half years, experienced everything that we have to experience, and then left us and sent someone else without any of those qualifying experiences to help us? I don't think so. It is so important that we know that it is the Spirit of Christ in His omnipresence that is in us, and not some other spirit. We are taught specifically, “And because ye are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Galatians 4:6). First John 5:12 tells us how very important that biblical truth is: “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.” Eternal life is involved in this issue; it is a salvational matter. Any other spirit in us would that of an antichrist. Listen carefully to my next question. What is the real reason that the church is so weak today? Could it be that the church has embraced a counterfeit third God that they have made their comforter? The Lord's messenger provides the answer to my question: “The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear the trembling souls. HE HAS SOUGHT TO SHUT OUT JESUS FROM THEIR VIEW AS THE COMFORTER, as the one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, ‘This is the way, walk ye in it.’” (Review and Herald, August 26, 1890). What has the devil tried to do to weaken the churches? He has tried to keep us from the knowledge that Jesus Himself, our precious Redeemer, dwells in believers through faith in Him. With His presence we have His life, His strength to overcome, His love reflected through us to others, all the “fruit of the Spirit.” What magnificent knowledge is that! But Satan has deceived us into accepting another comforter-a counterfeit one that can never sanctify nor save us. We have played right to his evil hand. This Comforter today goes by the name “God the Holy Spirit,” a personality altogether different from Christ. Paul's words in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 bear repeating: “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” Sad to say, that is the denominational state, at present. The watchmen have let into our denomination “another Jesus” and “another spirit,” which means we are being taught “another gospel” which cannot save us. We who know “what saith the Lord” must be restorers of paths to dwell in. Isaiah 58:12.
Well said - SDAs need to understand that this Trinity doctrine is not supported by scripture or EGW writings. I hope your post is read and understood by many
Brethren, please note that Dr William Johnsson (an Australian Seventh-day Adventist theologian, author, and editor of the Adventist Review from 1982 to 2006) wrote the following: ‘Adventists beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of ‘present truth’. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord … the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by early Adventists’. (William Johnsson, Adventist Review, January 6th 1994, Article: ‘Present Truth - Walking in God’s Light’).
“Is the Holy Ghost a Person?” Was there some specific theological point that Kellogg said would answer objections to his book? What was at least one of the reasons Ellen White warned that “the ministers of the gospel should not be united with him when he has his present sentiments”? Let's read what Kellogg himself said. He wrote a letter to G I Butler, in which he stated, “As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to the question: is the Holy Ghost a person?” (Letter of J H Kellogg to G I Butler, October 28, 1903). Kellogg defended his new Trinitarian understanding as he continued in his letter to Butler, “You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for reason that the personal pronoun ‘he’ is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun ‘he’ and has said in so many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see.” (Ibid.) So what was the alpha “difficulty” all about? According to Kellogg, it centered on this: “Is the Holy Ghost a person?” That question sounds ironically familiar today. Kellogg believed that the Holy Ghost was a third divine person, a third god whom he called “God the Holy Spirit.” And what argument did Kellogg use to try to support this doctrine? He referred to the Spirit of prophecy-to a specific statement of Ellen White's, in which she wrote that the Holy Spirit is the “third person of the Godhead.” (Desire of Ages, page 671). Sister White's statement is true. However, problems arise when people add to her words or assume meanings that she never intended or stated, such as the following assumption. They say, “Sister White says that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Godhead. That means that the Holy Spirit is a person just like the Father and the Son are persons.” But Sister White did not say that the Holy Spirit is a person “just like” the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit cannot be logically thought to be “just like” Father and Son for several reasons: (1) God has the “Spirit of God;” Christ had the “Spirit of Christ.” Does the Holy Spirit have a Spirit? No. (2) The Holy Spirit is said to be “poured out,” “shed abroad.” Such things are never said about the Father and the Son. (3) The Holy Spirit is sometimes referred to as “it”. Never is that pronoun used in reference to the Father or the Son. (4) The Father and Son have physical bodies in whose image we are made. The Holy Spirit assumes different forms: dove-like, tongues of fire, etc., but never the image in which we are made. The wrongs that have settled in on God's church as the result of the influential Dr Kellogg's initial departure from the the faith have undoubtedly grieved the Father's Spirit. We need to heed God's prophet who gave us this counsel: “In His dealings with His people in the past the Lord shows the necessity of purifying the church from wrongs. One dinner may diffuse darkness that will exclude the light of God from the entire congregation. When the people realize that darkness is settling upon them, and they do not know the cause, they should seek God earnestly, in great humility and self-abasement, until the wrongs which grieve His Spirit are searched out and put away.” (Testimonies For The Church, Volume 3, page 265). Exposing the wrongs so they may be put away is the primary purpose of this discourse. We do not want to grieve our Father in heaven any longer. It is critical-even salvational-for us to understand the issues in this doctrinal controversy, because the Bible says, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be.” If we do not get this right, we will be stuck in the omega of deadly heresy. Not even God can extricate us from our choice of error if we stubbornly stick to it. Kellogg professed that he was a Trinitarian. I frankly do not like using word descriptions that are not found in the Bible or the Spirit of prophecy. There are two extremes: Christ and Satan, truth and error. Everyone will be aligned with one camp or the other. If we are to use any terms at all, perhaps the better choice would be this: Will we each be a Restorer, or will we choose to be non-Restorers? Remember what we read in Isaiah 58:12: “And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.” Yes, we are commanded to be repairers of the breach made in God's law regarding the fourth commandment, on behalf of our Christian brethren who ignorantly transgress that commandment of God. Unfortunately, though, because of the failures of our watchmen on the walls of Zion, we must restore and recover other paths travelled by our pioneers. Confusion must be replaced with confidence in our beliefs. Did Ellen White Become a Trinitarian? We know that the pioneers, including Ellen White, were non-trinitarians. However, since Kellogg stated that he believed in the trinity and cited Sister White's writings to support his belief, the question needing to be answered is, “Did Ellen White eventually become a Trinitarian by the late 1890's?” In other words, was she inspired to change her written understanding about who God is? Did she also come to believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? The answer is an unqualified No. If she did, then how could she dare rebuke Kellogg in 1903 and onward for bringing that same belief to light? Then she'd be a false prophet. The Holy Spirit would be called into question, too, if He changed what inspired her to write. As the document evidence shows, Kellogg believed in the three gods of the Trinity-the same three that are numbered 3, 4, and 5 in our current Fundamental Beliefs. But Ellen White basically wrote of such concepts, “That's deadly heresy.” That means she never believed in the Trinity doctrine. And was it God who told Ellen White to rebuke Kellogg? It certainly was, because she was writing under divine inspiration. Now if that's the case, then how could God inspire her to oppose the Trinity doctrine, if it is really truth?
Who else can't rap their head around the doctrine of trinity? It is really confusing... exactly!! It is a mystery that breeds confusion straight out of Babylon. The Trinity is Not biblical. You should study where the Trinity originated from. It surely is and was the foundation for many pagan worshipers. The papacy says that the doctrine of trinity is their central doctrine upon which all her other doctrine intwines. Study to show thyself approved into the Lord. Prove all things upon the word and bible alone. Do your own research and search the truth BECAUSE if we lean on ministers and follow big crowds and congregations there come a time when they fall we also too shall surely fall😔
The Holy Spirit speaks because it is none other than Jesus Christ Himself, not another separate third person.... The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
In the original language Matthew 28: 19- 20 jesus instructed them to "baptize in my name" reason why in acts the disciples were baptising in jesus name
The question one must ask when studying the scriptures regarding the Holy Spirit is: is this speaking of the identity or the nature of the Holy Spirit? Pastor Skeete, who I appreciate very much, understands scripture to mean the Holy Spirit is God- it’s His identity. However, I have searched high and low in the Bible for a scripture that actually says “God the Holy Spirit” and I still haven’t found one. The scriptures only say “the Spirit of God” which speaks to it’s nature. It’s Holy because God is Holy and because God is a father and Christ is a male it would be correct to refer to either of their spirits as He. Read these two statements and tell me if they mean the same thing. The Bible of Randy’s. Randy the Bible. Now compare: The Spirit of God. God the Spirit. How about: The Spirit of Randy. Or…Randy the spirit. 1 Chronicles 28:12 talks about “The house of God” could we interpret this to mean that God IS A HOUSE too? “God the house”? Let’s consider this scripture regarding Samson. Judges 15:19 (KJV) But God clave an hollow place that [was] in the jaw, and there came water thereout; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived: wherefore he called the name thereof Enhakkore, which [is] in Lehi unto this day. Was the spirit that “came again” a different being other than Samson’s? Sounds silly I know but it’s using the trinitarian method. I am born and raised a Seventh-day Adventist and was always proud of this but there are so many scriptures that just didn’t fit in with the doctrine of trinity- AT ALL. After learning last year that the SDA church has an SDA liason/ minister/leader person (Dr. Ganoune Diop) to the vatican I was blown away! To say the least! He wrote “that we are united with the Catholic Church through the shared doctrine of the trinity”. What?! This revelation lead me to study this out in the scriptures and reading sister White. There is no scriptural or S of P foundation for this doctrine. I also learned this doctrine made its way in the church namely through Dr. Kellogg and Leroy Froom and others. The war in heaven was because of lucifer’s jealousy of Christ’s sonship and he also tempted regarding this, “if you are the son of God…” I believe that this is the shaking. Pray and study this deeply.
KJV Matthew 12:31-32 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Really appreciate your time with teaching the word of God 🙏. Thank you so very much your brother Jose from Puerto Rico happy Sabbath and God bless you. 🙏🇵🇷
2 Corinthians 3 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Letter to Prescott W.W. E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894 We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency.
There is a very basic subject that would help enormously when we are faced with a variety of opinions on any subject, especially if there seems to be a difference between what some of the pioneers taught and the way those same subjects are being taught by SdA clergy today. There IS an alternative to arguing about such things. That alternative is to adopt the policy (as an alternative to criticizing the current officers of a local congregation, local conference, union conference or General Conference) of holding local elections no less often than once every two years and NOT electing the same person to hold any one office two election cycles in a row. While it is true (as I understand it) that a person who is ordained as a deacon remains a deacon until his death (unless he comes under church discipline) and an ordained elder remains an elder until his death ( “ ) (i.e. such persons are not elected as deacons or elders each election cycle), the office of first elder (aka head elder) or first deacon (aka head deacon) should be held by a variety of persons (preferably not always someone from one extended family). That way, even if an officer is teaching something the members consider antithetical to Bible doctrine, it is possible to minimize the need to “discipline” that officer (temporarily depriving him of his office or his franchise to vote in local elections). He will be removed from that particular office as a matter of course. Whereupon it becomes a matter of whether, in subsequent elections, he is elected to that same office again. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. - Romans 12:3 This means (among other things) that a person who thinks he is better qualified than anyone else to hold a particular office in the local congregation is thereby disqualified to hold that office. One time when my wife and I moved from one state to another (U.S.A.), we attended the services of a few different congregations before deciding to request a transfer of our membership. One Sabbath after our membership was transferred, we received a handout with our bulletins which handout asked that we list the offices we had held in the past and to indicate which office we would prefer to hold after the upcoming elections. According to the handout, such requests would be honored “so far as possible”. It was inappropriate for ANYONE to make that kind of a statement before the nominating committee had even been chosen AND that statement utterly ignored the advice in Romans 12:3. Before there was any such thing as a Seventh-day Adventist organization, there was a denomination called the Christian Connexion. The majority of the clergy of that denomination objected to something about “the doctrine of the Trinity” as it was taught in other denominations. James Springer White was one of the Christian Connexion clergy who agreed with William Miller’s calculations of the end of the 2300 days and, subsequently, with the doctrine that the event that occurred at the end of the 2300 days was the beginning of a new phase of the high-priestly ministry of Jesus - the cleansing of the sanctuary in heaven. Other members of the Christian Connection (including at least one of those clergy) became Millerites and, after agreeing with Miller’s calculations, continued not only to object to “the doctrine of the Trinity” but to edit Millerite publications. I consider the God of the Bible to be triune (one God in three persons) but it is possible for me to express my understanding of the nature of God without using the word “Trinity”. Given that James White and some other of the pioneers of the nineteenth century advent movement objected to something about “the doctrine of the Trinity”, I think it is unfortunate that some SdA clergy choose to use that word. How many of the people on this discussion thread can explain to me exactly what James White or other pioneers’ objection was to “the doctrine of the Trinity”?
Does the church have Bible conferences where persons who research the scriptures can share their findings as scholars in other disciplines are able to do at academic conferences to extend the frontiers of knowledge? If they exist, they are largely unknown or not open for general participation, which explains why, although knowledge in other areas of study are advancing, the knowledge of scripture is limited, with old questions remaining unanswered and new ones creating confusion and uncertainty. Can interested persons come together and plan a Godhead Conference where all ideas concerning the subject can be aired and interrogated?
If Matthew 28 is true, how come all of Jesus disciples didn’t baptized that way! Read Acts! They all baptized in the name of Jesus only! And during Jesus baptism, didn’t your bible you just read said THE SPIRIT OF GOD? Did it read, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT? How readest thou? Matthew 12: the blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT will not be forgiven Thee cause as you said be careful when you say something against the SPIRIT OF GOD!
There is a verse which says >1 Corinthians 8:7 KJV Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:...What we know about God being one is not in every man Brother.
I have no college degrees and I’ve never attended a seminary of any kind. I have, however, been studying the history of the advent movement for more than sixty years. You probably expected someone to be able to answer your question with a simple “Yes” or “No” but the reality of adventist history is such that it is even difficult to describe any list of doctrines as “the original fundamental beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists”. This evening, I found two online resources that may help to answer your question to your satisfaction. Both of these sources use language that I find problematic. With that qualification, however, I can recommend that you (or anyone else interested in the subject) read one or both of these articles. The first is only about 20% as long as the second and perhaps the easier of the two to comprehend but the second is more “complete” including more about the context in which the pioneers of the advent movement developed their theology. These We Believe - Formulating fundamental Adventist beliefs by David J. B. Trim, March 1, 2021 (Adventist Review Online) ESDA Creeds (Encyclopedia of Seventh-day Adventists) C. Mervyn Maxwell also used language different from what I use to describe adventist history but his book Tell It to the World (Pacific Press Publishing Association - 1976) is a good source of information.
we should let the Bible explain itself not human philosophy Jesus is the best person to explain the happenings at his baptism...check John 5:37 for yourself and not rely on human interpretation
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Jesus received the spirit of the Father and then he (Jesus) poured it out on the disciples. The holy spirit is not God, it is the mind and the power of God, he gave it to Jesus his Son at his baptism. This is why when the holy spirit speaks it is through the spirit of Jesus. Jesus on earth could not be everywhere at once, but thanks to the spirit of God given to him, he could be everywhere by his spirit. Sr. White has a quote that demonstrates it. The holy spirit is the voice and the power of Jesus received from the father. Phi 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Pst. Randy Skeetes didn't mention this at any time.
God is a Spirit - John 4:23-24 God is light - 1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. Our God is a consuming fire - Hebrews 12:29. God is Love - 1 John 4:7-11, 16, Romans 8:39. God is the Holy Father - John 17:11 God is God the Father - John 6:27, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Galatians 1:1, 1:3, Ephesians 6:23, Philippians 2:11, 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 2 Timothy 1:2, Titus 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17, 2 John 1:3, Jude 1:1. God is Holy, His existence is referred to as Holy - “I AM HOLY” - Joshua 24:19, Leviticus 11:44, 45, 19:2, 21:8, 21:22, 1 Samuel 2:2, 6:20, 1 Chronicles 29:16, Psalm 71:22, 78:41, 99:5, 99:9, 106:47, Isaiah 5:16, 29:23, 30:15, 43:3, 48:17, 52:10, 54:5, 55:5, 60:9, Jeremiah 60:9, 51:5, Ezekiel 20:39, 36:22, 39:25, Hosea 11:9, Habakkuk 1:12, 3:3, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 4:8. WHAT GOD IS, IS A HOLY SPIRIT. GOD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. It is His Spirit, the Spirit of GOD. That is why the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, for it is a sin against God Himself. The one living and true God. No one else. And not a portion of a plurality of persons either or one of the three persons of a man made creedal godhead.
I knew someone relatively well who's father was a tree trimmer, his father at one time had pointed a 44 mag. hand gun at him threatening to kill him but he didn't. His father eventually put the gun to his own head and blew out his own brains. The son inherited the gun, a chain saw with a really long bar, and a safety belt with an adjustable leather lanyard from his father. The son dabbled in tree trimming. The son decided to take on the job of cutting off part of a really big limb that was probably bigger then most trees that went out almost horizonally from the main trunk. He shinnied out on the limb a ways laid down flat on it and slung the fully extended leather safety belt under the limb catching the other end and was just barely able to connect it to his belt. He then tried to make an undercut the best he could because of the size of the limb. He then started to cut off the limb. Part way down he started to hear a cracking sound as the limb started cracking lengthwise tightening up on his safety belt, tighter and tighter and tighter until he thought he couldn't take it any more and then the leather lanyard because of age and the cracking of the leather finally broke. The Seventhday Adventist Church is a lot like that fractured limb that we as SDA's have tied ourselves to and the more the fracturing that we caused continues to progress the worse it gets for all of us that have tied ourselves to the tree limb that is falling away from the trunk. What will save us from ourselves, what can save us from ourselves, only a total break away from the very thing that is killing us so we can once again get back to the main trunk, the root of Adventism.
In John 20:21-22 did Jesus breathe another person on the Disciples or did He breathe His OWN Holy Spirit on the Disciples? Careful how you answer! The disciples began to realize the nature and extent of their work. They were to proclaim to the world the wonderful truths which Christ had entrusted to them. The events of His life, His death and resurrection, the prophecies that pointed to these events, the sacredness of the law of God, the mysteries of the plan of salvation, the power of Jesus for the remission of sins,-to all these things they were witnesses, and they were to make them known to the world. They were to proclaim the gospel of peace and salvation through repentance and the power of the Saviour. DA 805.1 “And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.” The Holy Spirit was not yet fully manifested; for Christ had not yet been glorified. The more abundant impartation of the Spirit did not take place till after Christ’s ascension. Not until this was received could the disciples fulfill the commission to preach the gospel to the world. But the Spirit was now given for a special purpose. Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, 👉 Christ breathed "His Spirit" upon them.👈 (His Spirit, not another person!) He was committing to them a most sacred trust, and He desired to impress them with the fact that without the Holy Spirit this work could not be accomplished. DA 805.2
It doesn't make it right if SDAs believe it... the Pioneers of the SDA church did NOT subscribe to the Pagan / Roman Catholic non-Biblical teaching of the so-called Trinity. They taught the Bible-based Godhead doctrine. I Cor 8:6 sums up the Biblical teaching rather nicely.
... trinity is an adoption into SDA church it has no biblical proof, all the verses that bro Randy read did no prove that God is 1 in 3. Reading chapter 36 in GC, you will see that Catholic Church is a religion built on lies. However, there are faithful people of God there and they will see full light eventually.
@@rogermetzger7335 same as the sdagc is teaching today. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God in Three. All the same age= co-eternal. All roll playing parts in man’s salvation. One plays the Father, one plays the Son and the other plays the Holy Spirit. All three equal , all three knowing, all three the Most High God. Figure that one out😅 Catholic 101 Trinity on line should make you question ever thing you hear from these pastors today in the sdagc!
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us* {Matthew 1:23} “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” {John 10:11} ... “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.” {John 10:14} The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want... {Psalm 23:1a} I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. {Isaiah 43:11} Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. {Isaiah 48:12} And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; "I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, *and was dead* and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” {Revelation 1:18}
Recommend reading. Life Incidents 1868, p. 343. Chapter title The Law And The Gospel. “ Neither are the Father and Son parts of the “ three-in one God.” They are two distinct begins.”
Randy Skeete said: Jesus himself said that then the spirit must be fully god because only god can save you. 9:17 "the spirit must be fully god" Is there not a doubt on the part of Jesus in this sentence? Jesus is the truth, he cannot doubt. In the Bible does it say the Holy Spirit saves? John 3: 8 is not a reference. What does Jesus say: Jea 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Jea 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: He convinces the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. It is never said that the Holy Spirit saves. Verse 9 is very significant: Jea 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; Jesus never sinned, he is the spotless Lamb who was slain for our sins. It is by the blood of Jesus that we are saved. It is Jesus alone who saves. The Holy Spirit does not save, but on the other hand he sanctifies, he shows us our sins so that we abandon them and ask forgiveness from the one who saves us. Seriously refusing to forsake the sin that is exposed becomes sin against the Holy Spirit, and God cannot forgive that sin that goes against his Holy Spirit.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one. Randy was just trying to tell us that the Holy Spirit is also one with the Father and also of Jesus. If Jesus saves, then the Father and the Spirit also saves because They are One.😊❤️
Oh brother , Jesus is the son of The Most High God ! That is biblical! So who do you serve ? Why do you defend tradition ? One in Jesus all of us who love Him ! John 17
If Jesus is exclusively the Son, ehat was He before He became flesh? Trinitarians reply: Spirit of course Well there's one Spirit, one Lord. Connect the dots please.
You did not handle this question well. THE CATHOLIC TRINITY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SDA TRINITY. THE CATHOLIC TRINITY SAYS ONE BEING DIVIDED INTO THREE PERSONS. HOWEVER SDA SAYS ITS AN ETERNAL UNITY OF THREE PERSONS WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL BE.
For antitrinitarians: God has adopted human nature in the person of His Son, and has carried the same into the highest heaven. It is the “Son of man” who shares the throne of the universe. It is the “Son of man” whose name shall be called, “Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6. The I AM is the Daysman between God and humanity, laying His hand upon both. He who is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners,” is not ashamed to call us brethren. Hebrews 7:26; 2:11. In Christ the family of earth and the family of heaven are bound together. Christ glorified is our brother. Heaven is enshrined in humanity, and humanity is enfolded in the bosom of Infinite Love. . DA 25.3 By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM.... Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Exodus 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3:16. And to us He says: “I AM the Good Shepherd.” “I AM the living Bread.” “I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” “All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.” John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matthew 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. “God with us” is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven. . DA 24.3 By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM.... Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Exodus 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3:16. And to us He says: “I AM the Good Shepherd.” “I AM the living Bread.” “I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” “All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.” John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matthew 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. “God with us” is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven. . DA 24.2-DA 24.3
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Ellen White? Ellen White wrote that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which has confused some. Please allow me to explain why she said this and reveal the real truth on the Holy Spirit. “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - MR 14, p. 84 “We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” - Letter 66, April 10, 1894 “but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” - Manuscript 36-1891 Ellen White frequently call the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ when the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of God or the Spirit of the Father more can be found in truthseeker ministries
These trinity god was first formulated in the council of Nicea and placed in the angle of equilateral triangle. “The ancient (satan) and honorable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are are led of them are destroyed. Isaiah 9:14-16. If you supporting trinity and become pastor of trinity god-God called you false prophets and the tail that spreading the thought of one who is on the head, ancient (devil) and honorable (President). The head is made up of two being(ancient) which is the devil and the honorable (president ). They (dragon) and the leaders formulate these teaching and fed millions church members through their tail (pastors) to teach three frog. Father is the only ONE God, “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6. If the father’s name is not written in your forehead, that means that you worship trinity and not the Father through Christ. “And I looked, and, lo a lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1.”. The name of the Father Contained in the seal, He is the one that created the heaven and the earth through Christ; let us fear Him that made heaven and the earth and worship Him. He is the only true God. In the temple of God on the seventh day Sabbath, people turned their backs toward God and they worshiped trinity- the god the son in trinity is referred to as “TAMUS”, the woman was weeping for Tamus in Ezek 8:14, “Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord’s house which was towards the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tamus”. The Tamu’s father is Nimrod, he is the one that begin the kingdom of Babel. “ And cush begat Nimrod he begin to be mighty one in the earth. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel.” Gene 10:8,10.” The father of Tamus is Nimrod, trinity referred it as god the father. The mother of Nimrod is, Queen of heaven, (Serenamus). In this verse of Jeremiah, they burned incense to the queen of heaven “But we will certainly do whatsoever things goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burned incense into queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offering unto her………….Jeremiah 44:17. Therefore, Nimrod (god the father), Tamus (god the son) and Queen of heaven (serenamus), (god the holy spirit are the trinity god, and they are the sun god that Sabbath church now turned towards east and worshiping it. The trinity god originate in Babel. It is the Babylonian god of catholic church-if you worship this god in seventh day Adventist church, you will never receive the seal of God. The seal of God contained (Father’s) name. Millions were in seventh day Adventist church and deceived into worshiping trinity-many are called but in the history of the bible-only few stands for the truth. “Thus, saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your soul. But they said, we will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16”
I find it startling that so many SDAs are completely ignorant about this part of early church history. It's not a hidden secret that there is no evidence of the early church (1st-2nd century) worshipping a Trinity god. The doctrine was developed over centuries and forced upon the church after council's in the 4th century. As Adventists, we are supposed to be historians, just like how we prove the false Sabbath of sun-worship by history. The Trinity has the same foundation, it's Roman Catholic. But people will continue to bury their head in the sand to this history for the sake of holding on to their cherished idol.
But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times... GC 565.4 Bro. Randy has here failed to discern the "sign of the time."
Yep, the church is waking up... Trinity is NOT biblical. 1 God, the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and their spirit known as the Holy Spirit. Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
the word trinity is a pagan concept. Luke 24:46-47 KJV “and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.” These scriptures are similar to each other,it’s the same command given by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28 :19, where he said, go into all the world teaching them to observe all things, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. The Terminology father son and Holy Ghost are titles , the name of God is Jesus and these titles are his manifestation’s . He is the Father as creator, the Son as regenerator, and the Holy Spirit as comforter. Matthew 28:19-20 KJV “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” The assertion that this passage of scripture is talking about tree separate persons is synonymous with misunderstanding, as the concept finds its roots in Roman Catholic theology, prior to the ecclesiastical councils convened by the Roman Catholic Church for Biblical canonization. There was no mention of a Trinity until these councils. The term “Trinity” is a pagan concept retained by some Protestant Church, up to the present day. The word 'trinity' appears nowhere in the Bible; the concept was finalized at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE after years of debate. Colossians 3:17 KJV “And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.” The word all means everything, including baptism, as per the Bible, I like how the amplified Bible said it. Colossians 3:17 AMPC “And whatever you do [no matter what it is] in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus and in [dependence upon] His Person, giving praise to God the Father through Him.” we must be knowledgeable about what we believe because knowledge is power Hosea 4:6 KJV “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
Skeetes believes in the Trinity doctrine and defends it as Biblical. Where do you find the word Trinity in the Bible? Trinity doctrine DESTROY the Biblical teaching that "wē are saved through faith in the merits of Christ's righteousness as the substitute for our sinful lives." Skeetes DO NOT KNOW the difference between the Biblical term "Godhead" and Trinity, and because of that, he invents his own definition tō suit. Trinity did not start with Catholics. Principle of Trinity started with Lucifer in heaven. Skeetes needs tō do some honest studies.
That "Pagans eat breakfast" is not remotely applicable to this question. This question rises and falls on the existence of inspired evidence. There is actually no inspiration whatsoever which says the one God is a unity of 3 persons. Non-trinitarians believe Jesus is fully God by Nature - He is fully Divine, because He is the "Son of God." So there is a fundamental misunderstanding on the part of Pr Skeete as to what non-trinitarians believe. Matt 3:16 does not prove a Trinity. It was the "Spirit of God" which came down from God (His Spirit) and which filled Christ, not "another being." Read it from EGW: "Never before have the angels listened to such a prayer. They are eager to bear to their loved Commander a message of assurance and comfort. But no; the Father Himself will answer the petition of His Son. Direct from the throne issue the beams of His glory. The heavens are opened, and upon the Saviour's head descends a dovelike form of purest light,--fit emblem of Him, the meek and lowly One." {DA 112.1} The "dovelike form" of the Holy Spirit of God are from "the Father Himself." It is the "beams of His glory." Not of some other person.
YOU USE THIS VERSE TO PROVE THE TRINITY ? Matt 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: THEN NO ONE IS SAVED BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE SON BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ... YOU ARE A DECEIVER ... THAT IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE ... A SHEEP IN WOLF CLOTHING WHO IS DECEIVING THE SHEEP ...AND BY THE LOOK OF IT IT MIGHT NOT BE THE ONLE DECEIVER IN YOUR CHURCH ... PEOPLE READ YOUR BIBLE FOR IN YOUR BIBLE YOU WILL KNO WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS NAME
This man put his own twist into Scriptures. Trinity or principle of Trinity he explains is NOT Biblical. He needs to study God's word without human opinion, his own personal opinion before sharing publicly.
TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OD OR 3 PERSON IN IONE GOD IS NOT ONLY WRONG IT IS BLASPHEMY ... IT SHOW THAT YOU DON'T KNOW GOD NOR HIS SON ... THE TRINITY ISNOT BIBLICAL FOR IIF IT WAS GOD WOULD HADE TOLD YOU SO ... GOD IS NOT A MYSTERY ... WHO IS THE FATHER AND WHAT IS HIS NAME? WHO IS THE SON AND WHAT IS HIS NAME? WHO IS THE HOLY GHOST AND WHAT IS HIS NAME? John 17:3 (KJV) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FATHER NOR THE SON WHO THE FATHER HAD SENT.THEN HOW WILL YOU EVEN KNOW WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT IF YOU CAN'T EVEN GET WHO IS THE FATHER AND WHO IS TE SON DON'T EVEN USE JOHN 1:1 ... FOR IF YOU TAKE THAT LITERALLY THEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE GOD YOU ARE A ADVENTIDT THAT BREAK THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF GOD Exod 20:2-3 (KJV) I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ( WHAT IS HIS NAME) Exod 6:3 (KJV) And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Deut 4:39 (KJV) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. Matt 4:10 (KJV) Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. SAYING THAT JESUS IS GOD IS BLASPHEMY AGAING THE FATHER ... HE DOES NOT GIVE HIS TITLE TO ANYONE ... HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL THINGS CREATED JESUS HAS A GOD WHO NAME IS JEHOVAH BUT JEHOVAH DOES NOT HAVE A GOD FOR HE ALONE IS GOD WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD
Because we heard a voice from heaven, a Spirit in form of dove, and Jesus doesn't mean 3 persons only. Does it mean God was not anywhere else but Jesus' location only??? There's one person and being in the Godhead, but this God has the power to exist in many persons (that is to multiply himself)
Zechariah chapter 6 verse 13 'Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both'. Of course only between them (the father and the Son) the holy spirit is their presence...as always referenced in the bible the holy spirit of God and NOT God the holy spirit The Trinity doctrine is NOT biblical and it is the central doctrine of the papacy upon which all her other doctrines intwine. Amen
With all due respect, Bro. Randy doesn't understand what trinity is or he has just decided to ignore truth about trinity. It is the Spirit of God our Father or Jesus the Son of God, period. And this is in no way degrading the Spirit.
Catholics expression of the trinity is like three God's and not one. They say God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit..like three God's. Trinity is Catholic. The more appropriate wording is triune One God and three persons.
We all know whom the Catholics are serving, so they'll apply the Trinity according to their liking and we all know by now the 3rd being they referring to.
Amen Ps Randy.
A true man of God preaching the truth from the bible to this last generation.
The question one must ask when studying about the Holy Spirit is: is it speaking about the identity or the nature of the Holy Spirit? Pastor Randy Skeete, who I appreciate very much, understands scripture to mean the Holy Spirit is God- it’s his identity. However, I have searched high and low in the Bible for a scripture that actually says “God the Holy Spirit” and I still haven’t found one. The scriptures only say, “the spirit of God” which refers to its nature. God and Christ are Holy so either of their spirits are Holy.
Read these two statements and tell me if they mean the same thing: The Bible of Randy’s. Randy the Bible.
Now compare: The spirit of God. God the spirit.
How about: The spirit of Randy. Randy the spirit.
1 Chronicles 28:12 talks about “the house of God”. Could we interpret this to mean that God is a house too? “God the house”?
Consider this scripture talking about an experience that Simpson had. Judges 15:19 (KJV) But God clave an hollow place that [was] in the jaw, and there came water thereout; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived: wherefore he called the name thereof Enhakkore, which [is] in Lehi unto this day.
Was the spirit that came again into Samson a being other than Samson? It sounds silly I know but that is just what the trinity doctrine tries to convince us of. I am born and raised a Seventh-day Adventist but have felt confused with the plain “thus saith the Lord” in the Bible regarding His spirit and how He is knocking at the door of my heart and wants to live in me, with the doctrine of the trinity that my church accepted in 1980. After learning last year that my church has a liaison, so to speak, that meets regularly with the pope at the Vatican (Dr. Ganoune Diop) I was blown away to say the least! He wrote and also spoke in a message that “we are united with the Catholic Church through the shared doctrine of the trinity.” He also said that those who deny the doctrine of the trinity are heretics. What!? This revelation drove me to study it out in the Scriptures and sister White’s writings. There is no biblical or SP support for the doctrine of the trinity. None. I also learned that it was mainly through Dr. Kellogg and later Leroy Froom that this doctrine crept into our church. Remember the war in heaven? Lucifer was jealous of Christ’s sonship and was trying to undermine Him and the Father. Remember what satan tempted Christ to doubt? The words that God spoke at His baptism. God said, “this is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”… satan tempted, ” if thou be the Son of God”… the trinity doctrine teaches us to deny that Christ is the divine son of God and to accept and invite another spirit god to live in us. Who said, “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me”? (Revelation 3:20)
It is Christ’s very Spirit that is knocking and waiting to sup with us. Let Him come in not another.
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Luke 24:39, Christ himself says, touch me, a spirit hath not flesh and bones.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. The Father and the Son have the same mind, same thought. Jesus received him from his Father in heaven and as the Son of man at his baptism.The one and only God is the Father, there is no other like him and Jesus is his Son, the image of the Father.
John 10:30
[30]I and my Father are one.
John 14:9
[9]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 20:29
[29]Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Genesis 1:2
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Matthew 28:19
[19]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Jesus believes in one True God only!
You are making Christ less than God. If you say the Father is the only God then you are making Jesus less than God, a false god.
@@untoldhistory2800 the fact that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God does not make him less and take away from him, it actually adds to his name, in fact the heart of the great controversy is that Satan challenged the sonship of Jesus, stating that if he was born of the Father, this implied that he was created, when in reality being begotten and created are two different things
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The Foundations of Our Faith.
In a letter addressed to Kellogg in 1903, Ellen White defended the truth very plainly: “Your ideas are so mystical that they are destructive to the real substance, and the minds of some are becoming confused in regard to the foundation of our faith. If you allow your mind to become thus diverted, you will give a wrong mold to the work of that has made us what we are-Seventh-day Adventists.” (Letter 52, 1903)
Now that we know what Kellogg believed, we need to understand why what Kellogg was teaching was endangering “the foundation of our faith” that makes us Seventh-day Adventists. What is it that was considered to be the foundation at that time? In other words, what was the church teaching about this topic that Kellogg was departing from, causing Ellen White to write, “You're endangering the foundation of the faith;” “you're departing from the faith”?
Let's see what the servant of the Lord had to say about the Spirit. Do you know that statement of hers that says, “third person of the Godhead,” a phrase that people still use today? Does she explain to us who the third person of the Godhead is? Does she explain more about the Holy Spirit? Yes she does.
Here is one of her statements found in the Review and Herald in 1906: “It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing; the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.” [She quoting John 6:63]. Christ is not here referring to to his doctrine, but to His person, the divinity of His character.” (Review And Herald, April 5, 1906).
The Holy Spirit is a person. Sister White said, “It’s the third person of the Godhead.” but it is the person of whom? It's the person of Christ; it is Christ omnipresent. This is who the Holy Spirit is. Kellogg was teaching that the Holy Spirit is a third person different from the Father and the Son.
Identity of the Comforter
For even more evidence of correctness of the pioneers’ common understanding, read John 14:16-18: “ And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”
Ellen White commented about John 14, when Jesus was speaking about the Comforter that would come. “That Christ should manifest Himself to them and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of an outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation.” (Southern Watchman, September 3, 1898).
Here is a powerful statement: “While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, ‘Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world’ (Matthew 28:20).” (Desire of Ages, page 166). This is made possible by His divine omnipresence.
We have more to examine, and although we have read a few quotations, repetition in different contexts deepens the impression. These repeated quotations should make even more sense now.
“Christ declared that after His ascension, He would send to His church, as His crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take His place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit, - the soul of His life, the efficacy of His church, the light and life of the world. With His Spirit, Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.” (Review and Herald, May 19, 1904).
Now that was a very clear definition and you do not want to miss it. The Comforter that Jesus promised to send is the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit is the soul of His life. Question: is the soul of Jesus’ life a different person from Himself? No. It's His very own person, His very own personality. How can the soul of the life of Christ be a different individual from Christ?
Continuing: “The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul.” (HM November 1, 1893).
And here is another example of that fact. “The Lord knows all about His faithful servants who for His sake are lying in prison or who are banished to lonely islands. HE COMFORTS THEM WITH HIS OWN PRESENCE.” (Desire of Ages p 669).
Who is Your Comforter?
Let me ask you this personal question: “Who is your Comforter?” This is a question that each one of us needs to answer. After all, your Comforter is the one who helps you overcome sin by faith in Christ. If you believe the doctrine that Kellogg believed-the one called Trinity, which is actually tritheism, or a belief in three gods-you would believe the teaching that God the Son ascended to heaven to minister there as our high priest, and now a third god-God the Holy Spirit-takes over here on earth and is your Comforter. That false Comforter, replacing the true Comforter which is the presence of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, is the role that Satan wants to fill. He wants to draw your worship away from the one true God to Himself. So... who is your Comforter? The true one, or the counterfeit one?
What does Ellen White say? “There is no Comforter like Christ, so tender and so true.” (Review and Herald October 26, 1897). And this: “The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” (Manuscript Releases, Volume 8, page 49).
What comfort would you receive from someone who was not “made flesh and dwelt among us,” who was not “tempted in all points like as we are,” who is therefore not “able to succour us” as we are tempted? That is not very comforting, is it? Shall we believe that Jesus came to earth, lived here for thirty-three-and-half years, experienced everything that we have to experience, and then left us and sent someone else without any of those qualifying experiences to help us? I don't think so.
It is so important that we know that it is the Spirit of Christ in His omnipresence that is in us, and not some other spirit. We are taught specifically, “And because ye are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Galatians 4:6).
First John 5:12 tells us how very important that biblical truth is: “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.” Eternal life is involved in this issue; it is a salvational matter. Any other spirit in us would that of an antichrist.
Listen carefully to my next question. What is the real reason that the church is so weak today? Could it be that the church has embraced a counterfeit third God that they have made their comforter? The Lord's messenger provides the answer to my question: “The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear the trembling souls. HE HAS SOUGHT TO SHUT OUT JESUS FROM THEIR VIEW AS THE COMFORTER, as the one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, ‘This is the way, walk ye in it.’” (Review and Herald, August 26, 1890).
What has the devil tried to do to weaken the churches? He has tried to keep us from the knowledge that Jesus Himself, our precious Redeemer, dwells in believers through faith in Him. With His presence we have His life, His strength to overcome, His love reflected through us to others, all the “fruit of the Spirit.” What magnificent knowledge is that! But Satan has deceived us into accepting another comforter-a counterfeit one that can never sanctify nor save us. We have played right to his evil hand. This Comforter today goes by the name “God the Holy Spirit,” a personality altogether different from Christ.
Paul's words in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 bear repeating: “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
Sad to say, that is the denominational state, at present. The watchmen have let into our denomination “another Jesus” and “another spirit,” which means we are being taught “another gospel” which cannot save us. We who know “what saith the Lord” must be restorers of paths to dwell in. Isaiah 58:12.
Well said - SDAs need to understand that this Trinity doctrine is not supported by scripture or EGW writings. I hope your post is read and understood by many
I’m sorry but those preaching ‘another Jesus’ are the antitrinitarians saying only the Father is God and teaching Jesus had a beginning
Brethren, please note that Dr William Johnsson (an Australian Seventh-day Adventist theologian, author, and editor of the Adventist Review from 1982 to 2006) wrote the following:
‘Adventists beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of ‘present truth’. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord … the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by early Adventists’.
(William Johnsson, Adventist Review, January 6th 1994, Article: ‘Present Truth - Walking in God’s Light’).
“Is the Holy Ghost a Person?”
Was there some specific theological point that Kellogg said would answer objections to his book? What was at least one of the reasons Ellen White warned that “the ministers of the gospel should not be united with him when he has his present sentiments”?
Let's read what Kellogg himself said. He wrote a letter to G I Butler, in which he stated, “As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to the question: is the Holy Ghost a person?” (Letter of J H Kellogg to G I Butler, October 28, 1903).
Kellogg defended his new Trinitarian understanding as he continued in his letter to Butler, “You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for reason that the personal pronoun ‘he’ is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun ‘he’ and has said in so many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see.” (Ibid.)
So what was the alpha “difficulty” all about? According to Kellogg, it centered on this: “Is the Holy Ghost a person?” That question sounds ironically familiar today. Kellogg believed that the Holy Ghost was a third divine person, a third god whom he called “God the Holy Spirit.” And what argument did Kellogg use to try to support this doctrine? He referred to the Spirit of prophecy-to a specific statement of Ellen White's, in which she wrote that the Holy Spirit is the “third person of the Godhead.” (Desire of Ages, page 671).
Sister White's statement is true. However, problems arise when people add to her words or assume meanings that she never intended or stated, such as the following assumption. They say, “Sister White says that the Holy Spirit is a person of the Godhead. That means that the Holy Spirit is a person just like the Father and the Son are persons.” But Sister White did not say that the Holy Spirit is a person “just like” the Father and the Son.
The Holy Spirit cannot be logically thought to be “just like” Father and Son for several reasons: (1) God has the “Spirit of God;” Christ had the “Spirit of Christ.” Does the Holy Spirit have a Spirit? No. (2) The Holy Spirit is said to be “poured out,” “shed abroad.” Such things are never said about the Father and the Son. (3) The Holy Spirit is sometimes referred to as “it”. Never is that pronoun used in reference to the Father or the Son. (4) The Father and Son have physical bodies in whose image we are made. The Holy Spirit assumes different forms: dove-like, tongues of fire, etc., but never the image in which we are made.
The wrongs that have settled in on God's church as the result of the influential Dr Kellogg's initial departure from the the faith have undoubtedly grieved the Father's Spirit. We need to heed God's prophet who gave us this counsel: “In His dealings with His people in the past the Lord shows the necessity of purifying the church from wrongs. One dinner may diffuse darkness that will exclude the light of God from the entire congregation. When the people realize that darkness is settling upon them, and they do not know the cause, they should seek God earnestly, in great humility and self-abasement, until the wrongs which grieve His Spirit are searched out and put away.” (Testimonies For The Church, Volume 3, page 265). Exposing the wrongs so they may be put away is the primary purpose of this discourse. We do not want to grieve our Father in heaven any longer.
It is critical-even salvational-for us to understand the issues in this doctrinal controversy, because the Bible says, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be.” If we do not get this right, we will be stuck in the omega of deadly heresy. Not even God can extricate us from our choice of error if we stubbornly stick to it.
Kellogg professed that he was a Trinitarian. I frankly do not like using word descriptions that are not found in the Bible or the Spirit of prophecy. There are two extremes: Christ and Satan, truth and error. Everyone will be aligned with one camp or the other. If we are to use any terms at all, perhaps the better choice would be this: Will we each be a Restorer, or will we choose to be non-Restorers? Remember what we read in Isaiah 58:12: “And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.” Yes, we are commanded to be repairers of the breach made in God's law regarding the fourth commandment, on behalf of our Christian brethren who ignorantly transgress that commandment of God. Unfortunately, though, because of the failures of our watchmen on the walls of Zion, we must restore and recover other paths travelled by our pioneers. Confusion must be replaced with confidence in our beliefs.
Did Ellen White Become a Trinitarian?
We know that the pioneers, including Ellen White, were non-trinitarians. However, since Kellogg stated that he believed in the trinity and cited Sister White's writings to support his belief, the question needing to be answered is, “Did Ellen White eventually become a Trinitarian by the late 1890's?” In other words, was she inspired to change her written understanding about who God is? Did she also come to believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? The answer is an unqualified No. If she did, then how could she dare rebuke Kellogg in 1903 and onward for bringing that same belief to light? Then she'd be a false prophet. The Holy Spirit would be called into question, too, if He changed what inspired her to write.
As the document evidence shows, Kellogg believed in the three gods of the Trinity-the same three that are numbered 3, 4, and 5 in our current Fundamental Beliefs. But Ellen White basically wrote of such concepts, “That's deadly heresy.” That means she never believed in the Trinity doctrine.
And was it God who told Ellen White to rebuke Kellogg? It certainly was, because she was writing under divine inspiration. Now if that's the case, then how could God inspire her to oppose the Trinity doctrine, if it is really truth?
Lord have mercy on the people of the apostate nominal SDA church
Who else can't rap their head around the doctrine of trinity? It is really confusing... exactly!! It is a mystery that breeds confusion straight out of Babylon.
The Trinity is Not biblical.
You should study where the Trinity originated from. It surely is and was the foundation for many pagan worshipers. The papacy says that the doctrine of trinity is their central doctrine upon which all her other doctrine intwines.
Study to show thyself approved into the Lord. Prove all things upon the word and bible alone. Do your own research and search the truth BECAUSE if we lean on ministers and follow big crowds and congregations there come a time when they fall we also too shall surely fall😔
The Holy Spirit speaks because it is none other than Jesus Christ Himself, not another separate third person....
The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
In the original language Matthew 28: 19- 20 jesus instructed them to "baptize in my name" reason why in acts the disciples were baptising in jesus name
For those of you who do not believe that The Holy Spirit is separate person, the Bible texts were given. You have a choice to believe or not.
Hasn’t the Bible said I will pour out My Spirit?
The question one must ask when studying the scriptures regarding the Holy Spirit is: is this speaking of the identity or the nature of the Holy Spirit? Pastor Skeete, who I appreciate very much, understands scripture to mean the Holy Spirit is God- it’s His identity. However, I have searched high and low in the Bible for a scripture that actually says “God the Holy Spirit” and I still haven’t found one. The scriptures only say “the Spirit of God” which speaks to it’s nature. It’s Holy because God is Holy and because God is a father and Christ is a male it would be correct to refer to either of their spirits as He. Read these two statements and tell me if they mean the same thing. The Bible of Randy’s. Randy the Bible. Now compare: The Spirit of God. God the Spirit.
How about: The Spirit of Randy. Or…Randy the spirit. 1 Chronicles 28:12 talks about “The house of God” could we interpret this to mean that God IS A HOUSE too? “God the house”?
Let’s consider this scripture regarding Samson.
Judges 15:19 (KJV)
But God clave an hollow place that [was] in the jaw, and there came water thereout; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived: wherefore he called the name thereof Enhakkore, which [is] in Lehi unto this day.
Was the spirit that “came again” a different being other than Samson’s? Sounds silly I know but it’s using the trinitarian method.
I am born and raised a Seventh-day Adventist and was always proud of this but there are so many scriptures that just didn’t fit in with the doctrine of trinity- AT ALL. After learning last year that the SDA church has an SDA liason/ minister/leader person (Dr. Ganoune Diop) to the vatican I was blown away! To say the least! He wrote “that we are united with the Catholic Church through the shared doctrine of the trinity”. What?! This revelation lead me to study this out in the scriptures and reading sister White. There is no scriptural or S of P foundation for this doctrine. I also learned this doctrine made its way in the church namely through Dr. Kellogg and Leroy Froom and others.
The war in heaven was because of lucifer’s jealousy of Christ’s sonship and he also tempted regarding this, “if you are the son of God…”
I believe that this is the shaking. Pray and study this deeply.
KJV Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Really appreciate your time with teaching the word of God 🙏. Thank you so very much your brother Jose from Puerto Rico happy Sabbath and God bless you. 🙏🇵🇷
2 Corinthians 3
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of
the Lord is, there is liberty.
Letter to Prescott W.W. E.G. White, Lt66, April 10,
1894
We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we
commune with God, we shall have strength and grace
and efficiency.
Ooh my beloved pastor the way you explain makes unbelievers believe
Thank you pastor for giving us the message of heaven. In short ,And in detail.
There is a very basic subject that would help enormously when we are faced with a variety of opinions on any subject, especially if there seems to be a difference between what some of the pioneers taught and the way those same subjects are being taught by SdA clergy today. There IS an alternative to arguing about such things.
That alternative is to adopt the policy (as an alternative to criticizing the current officers of a local congregation, local conference, union conference or General Conference) of holding local elections no less often than once every two years and NOT electing the same person to hold any one office two election cycles in a row.
While it is true (as I understand it) that a person who is ordained as a deacon remains a deacon until his death (unless he comes under church discipline) and an ordained elder remains an elder until his death ( “ ) (i.e. such persons are not elected as deacons or elders each election cycle), the office of first elder (aka head elder) or first deacon (aka head deacon) should be held by a variety of persons (preferably not always someone from one extended family). That way, even if an officer is teaching something the members consider antithetical to Bible doctrine, it is possible to minimize the need to “discipline” that officer (temporarily depriving him of his office or his franchise to vote in local elections). He will be removed from that particular office as a matter of course. Whereupon it becomes a matter of whether, in subsequent elections, he is elected to that same office again.
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. - Romans 12:3
This means (among other things) that a person who thinks he is better qualified than anyone else to hold a particular office in the local congregation is thereby disqualified to hold that office.
One time when my wife and I moved from one state to another (U.S.A.), we attended the services of a few different congregations before deciding to request a transfer of our membership. One Sabbath after our membership was transferred, we received a handout with our bulletins which handout asked that we list the offices we had held in the past and to indicate which office we would prefer to hold after the upcoming elections. According to the handout, such requests would be honored “so far as possible”.
It was inappropriate for ANYONE to make that kind of a statement before the nominating committee had even been chosen AND that statement utterly ignored the advice in Romans 12:3.
Before there was any such thing as a Seventh-day Adventist organization, there was a denomination called the Christian Connexion. The majority of the clergy of that denomination objected to something about “the doctrine of the Trinity” as it was taught in other denominations. James Springer White was one of the Christian Connexion clergy who agreed with William Miller’s calculations of the end of the 2300 days and, subsequently, with the doctrine that the event that occurred at the end of the 2300 days was the beginning of a new phase of the high-priestly ministry of Jesus - the cleansing of the sanctuary in heaven.
Other members of the Christian Connection (including at least one of those clergy) became Millerites and, after agreeing with Miller’s calculations, continued not only to object to “the doctrine of the Trinity” but to edit Millerite publications.
I consider the God of the Bible to be triune (one God in three persons) but it is possible for me to express my understanding of the nature of God without using the word “Trinity”. Given that James White and some other of the pioneers of the nineteenth century advent movement objected to something about “the doctrine of the Trinity”, I think it is unfortunate that some SdA clergy choose to use that word.
How many of the people on this discussion thread can explain to me exactly what James White or other pioneers’ objection was to “the doctrine of the Trinity”?
Please can ant trinitarian explain to me 1john 5:7
Does the church have Bible conferences where persons who research the scriptures can share their findings as scholars in other disciplines are able to do at academic conferences to extend the frontiers of knowledge? If they exist, they are largely unknown or not open for general participation, which explains why, although knowledge in other areas of study are advancing, the knowledge of scripture is limited, with old questions remaining unanswered and new ones creating confusion and uncertainty. Can interested persons come together and plan a Godhead Conference where all ideas concerning the subject can be aired and interrogated?
If Matthew 28 is true, how come all of Jesus disciples didn’t baptized that way! Read Acts! They all baptized in the name of Jesus only!
And during Jesus baptism, didn’t your bible you just read said THE SPIRIT OF GOD? Did it read, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT?
How readest thou?
Matthew 12: the blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT will not be forgiven Thee cause as you said be careful when you say something against the SPIRIT OF GOD!
There is a verse which says >1 Corinthians 8:7 KJV
Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:...What we know about God being one is not in every man Brother.
Pastor is the doctrine of the trinity in the original fundamental beliefs of seventh day adventist?
I have no college degrees and I’ve never attended a seminary of any kind. I have, however, been studying the history of the advent movement for more than sixty years.
You probably expected someone to be able to answer your question with a simple “Yes” or “No” but the reality of adventist history is such that it is even difficult to describe any list of doctrines as “the original fundamental beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists”.
This evening, I found two online resources that may help to answer your question to your satisfaction. Both of these sources use language that I find problematic. With that qualification, however, I can recommend that you (or anyone else interested in the subject) read one or both of these articles. The first is only about 20% as long as the second and perhaps the easier of the two to comprehend but the second is more “complete” including more about the context in which the pioneers of the advent movement developed their theology.
These We Believe - Formulating fundamental Adventist beliefs by David J. B. Trim, March 1, 2021 (Adventist Review Online)
ESDA Creeds (Encyclopedia of Seventh-day Adventists)
C. Mervyn Maxwell also used language different from what I use to describe adventist history but his book Tell It to the World (Pacific Press Publishing Association - 1976) is a good source of information.
Should anyone pray to the Holy Spirit, or to the father in heaven, In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Happy Sabbath to all!!! And GOD bless all
Amen pastor The word is simple if we are honst
we should let the Bible explain itself not human philosophy Jesus is the best person to explain the happenings at his baptism...check John 5:37 for yourself and not rely on human interpretation
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Jesus received the spirit of the Father and then he (Jesus) poured it out on the disciples. The holy spirit is not God, it is the mind and the power of God, he gave it to Jesus his Son at his baptism. This is why when the holy spirit speaks it is through the spirit of Jesus. Jesus on earth could not be everywhere at once, but thanks to the spirit of God given to him, he could be everywhere by his spirit. Sr. White has a quote that demonstrates it. The holy spirit is the voice and the power of Jesus received from the father. Phi 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Pst. Randy Skeetes didn't mention this at any time.
Im not advantist. But i think ive heard trinutarian and unuversalist from Sda. So im a little confused what they think on this subjest ,
God is a Spirit - John 4:23-24
God is light - 1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Our God is a consuming fire - Hebrews 12:29.
God is Love - 1 John 4:7-11, 16, Romans 8:39.
God is the Holy Father - John 17:11
God is God the Father - John 6:27, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Galatians 1:1, 1:3, Ephesians 6:23, Philippians 2:11, 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 2 Timothy 1:2, Titus 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17, 2 John 1:3, Jude 1:1.
God is Holy, His existence is referred to as Holy - “I AM HOLY” - Joshua 24:19, Leviticus 11:44, 45, 19:2, 21:8, 21:22, 1 Samuel 2:2, 6:20, 1 Chronicles 29:16, Psalm 71:22, 78:41, 99:5, 99:9, 106:47, Isaiah 5:16, 29:23, 30:15, 43:3, 48:17, 52:10, 54:5, 55:5, 60:9, Jeremiah 60:9, 51:5, Ezekiel 20:39, 36:22, 39:25, Hosea 11:9, Habakkuk 1:12, 3:3, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 4:8.
WHAT GOD IS, IS A HOLY SPIRIT. GOD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. It is His Spirit, the Spirit of GOD. That is why the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, for it is a sin against God Himself. The one living and true God. No one else. And not a portion of a plurality of persons either or one of the three persons of a man made creedal godhead.
Is Jesus not God ?
I knew someone relatively well who's father was a tree trimmer, his father at one time had pointed a 44 mag. hand gun at him threatening to kill him but he didn't. His father eventually put the gun to his own head and blew out his own brains. The son inherited the gun, a chain saw with a really long bar, and a safety belt with an adjustable leather lanyard from his father. The son dabbled in tree trimming. The son decided to take on the job of cutting off part of a really big limb that was probably bigger then most trees that went out almost horizonally from the main trunk. He shinnied out on the limb a ways laid down flat on it and slung the fully extended leather safety belt under the limb catching the other end and was just barely able to connect it to his belt. He then tried to make an undercut the best he could because of the size of the limb. He then started to cut off the limb. Part way down he started to hear a cracking sound as the limb started cracking lengthwise tightening up on his safety belt, tighter and tighter and tighter until he thought he couldn't take it any more and then the leather lanyard because of age and the cracking of the leather finally broke. The Seventhday Adventist Church is a lot like that fractured limb that we as SDA's have tied ourselves to and the more the fracturing that we caused continues to progress the worse it gets for all of us that have tied ourselves to the tree limb that is falling away from the trunk. What will save us from ourselves, what can save us from ourselves, only a total break away from the very thing that is killing us so we can once again get back to the main trunk, the root of Adventism.
In John 20:21-22 did Jesus breathe another person on the Disciples or did He breathe His OWN Holy Spirit on the Disciples?
Careful how you answer!
The disciples began to realize the nature and extent of their work. They were to proclaim to the world the wonderful truths which Christ had entrusted to them. The events of His life, His death and resurrection, the prophecies that pointed to these events, the sacredness of the law of God, the mysteries of the plan of salvation, the power of Jesus for the remission of sins,-to all these things they were witnesses, and they were to make them known to the world. They were to proclaim the gospel of peace and salvation through repentance and the power of the Saviour. DA 805.1
“And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.” The Holy Spirit was not yet fully manifested; for Christ had not yet been glorified. The more abundant impartation of the Spirit did not take place till after Christ’s ascension. Not until this was received could the disciples fulfill the commission to preach the gospel to the world. But the Spirit was now given for a special purpose. Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, 👉 Christ breathed "His Spirit" upon them.👈 (His Spirit, not another person!) He was committing to them a most sacred trust, and He desired to impress them with the fact that without the Holy Spirit this work could not be accomplished. DA 805.2
❤❤❤❤ preach it!
It doesn't make it right if SDAs believe it... the Pioneers of the SDA church did NOT subscribe to the Pagan / Roman Catholic non-Biblical teaching of the so-called Trinity. They taught the Bible-based Godhead doctrine. I Cor 8:6 sums up the Biblical teaching rather nicely.
... trinity is an adoption into SDA church it has no biblical proof, all the verses that bro Randy read did no prove that God is 1 in 3. Reading chapter 36 in GC, you will see that Catholic Church is a religion built on lies. However, there are faithful people of God there and they will see full light eventually.
The Catholic have a different understanding of the trinity than seventh day Adventist
No it's samething. People don't understand this.
Can you explain to me exactly what James White or other pioneers’ objection was to “the doctrine of the Trinity”?
Same. Do your homework
@@rogermetzger7335 same as the sdagc is teaching today.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God in Three. All the same age= co-eternal.
All roll playing parts in man’s salvation. One plays the Father, one plays the Son and the other plays the Holy Spirit.
All three equal , all three knowing, all three the Most High God. Figure that one out😅
Catholic 101 Trinity on line should make you question ever thing you hear from these pastors today in the sdagc!
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us*
{Matthew 1:23}
“I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”
{John 10:11}
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“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.”
{John 10:14}
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want...
{Psalm 23:1a}
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
{Isaiah 43:11}
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
{Isaiah 48:12}
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; "I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, *and was dead* and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
{Revelation 1:18}
50 years of pioneer truth counted as error? You better be right, God will require an accounting
@1:40 speaker elucidates exactly how he views the Holy Spirit. As a distinct being. Amen and Amen.
Recommend reading. Life Incidents 1868, p. 343. Chapter title The Law And The Gospel.
“ Neither are the Father and Son parts of the “ three-in one God.” They are two distinct begins.”
Why do the church change the logo of three angels message to aflame
Thank you for taking the time to teach the word of God. Happy Sabbath your brother Jose from Puerto Rico.🙏🇵🇷
Randy Skeete said: Jesus himself said that then the spirit must be fully god because only god can save you. 9:17 "the spirit must be fully god" Is there not a doubt on the part of Jesus in this sentence? Jesus is the truth, he cannot doubt.
In the Bible does it say the Holy Spirit saves? John 3: 8 is not a reference. What does Jesus say:
Jea 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jea 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
He convinces the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment.
It is never said that the Holy Spirit saves.
Verse 9 is very significant:
Jea 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Jesus never sinned, he is the spotless Lamb who was slain for our sins. It is by the blood of Jesus that we are saved. It is Jesus alone who saves. The Holy Spirit does not save, but on the other hand he sanctifies, he shows us our sins so that we abandon them and ask forgiveness from the one who saves us. Seriously refusing to forsake the sin that is exposed becomes sin against the Holy Spirit, and God cannot forgive that sin that goes against his Holy Spirit.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one.
Randy was just trying to tell us that the Holy Spirit is also one with the Father and also of Jesus.
If Jesus saves, then the Father and the Spirit also saves because They are One.😊❤️
The Catholic’s understanding of trinity is three head in one
If the Catholic are not wrong with the doctrine of the Trinity then the Pentecostal are not wrong with the Oneness of God.
Oh brother , Jesus is the son of The Most High God ! That is biblical! So who do you serve ? Why do you defend tradition ?
One in Jesus all of us who love Him ! John 17
Can we also send in our questions pliz
If Jesus is exclusively the Son, ehat was He before He became flesh?
Trinitarians reply: Spirit of course
Well there's one Spirit, one Lord. Connect the dots please.
You did not handle this question well. THE CATHOLIC TRINITY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SDA TRINITY. THE CATHOLIC TRINITY SAYS ONE BEING DIVIDED INTO THREE PERSONS. HOWEVER SDA SAYS ITS AN ETERNAL UNITY OF THREE PERSONS WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL BE.
So after
For antitrinitarians:
God has adopted human nature in the person of His Son, and has carried the same into the highest heaven. It is the “Son of man” who shares the throne of the universe. It is the “Son of man” whose name shall be called, “Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6. The I AM is the Daysman between God and humanity, laying His hand upon both. He who is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners,” is not ashamed to call us brethren. Hebrews 7:26; 2:11. In Christ the family of earth and the family of heaven are bound together. Christ glorified is our brother. Heaven is enshrined in humanity, and humanity is enfolded in the bosom of Infinite Love. . DA 25.3
By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM.... Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Exodus 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3:16. And to us He says: “I AM the Good Shepherd.” “I AM the living Bread.” “I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” “All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.” John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matthew 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. “God with us” is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven. . DA 24.3
By His humanity, Christ touched humanity; by His divinity, He lays hold upon the throne of God. As the Son of man, He gave us an example of obedience; as the Son of God, He gives us power to obey. It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM.... Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Exodus 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3:16. And to us He says: “I AM the Good Shepherd.” “I AM the living Bread.” “I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” “All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.” John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matthew 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. “God with us” is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven. . DA 24.2-DA 24.3
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Please their is sound, check your device , God bless you
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Ellen White?
Ellen White wrote that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which has confused some. Please allow me to explain why she said this and reveal the real truth on the Holy Spirit.
“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - MR 14, p. 84
“We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” - Letter 66, April 10, 1894
“but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,”
- Manuscript 36-1891
Ellen White frequently call the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ when the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of God or the Spirit of the Father
more can be found in truthseeker ministries
Godhead!
Thanks , good explanation , I have learnt some new as usual
Sorry, Pastor, whether you like it or not. It is a Catholic Doctrine.
The doctrine of the trinity is not biblical. None of our pioneers believed this teaching. God should have mercy on the church.
These trinity god was first formulated in the council of Nicea and placed in the angle of equilateral triangle. “The ancient (satan) and honorable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are are led of them are destroyed. Isaiah 9:14-16. If you supporting trinity and become pastor of trinity god-God called you false prophets and the tail that spreading the thought of one who is on the head, ancient (devil) and honorable (President). The head is made up of two being(ancient) which is the devil and the honorable (president ). They (dragon) and the leaders formulate these teaching and fed millions church members through their tail (pastors) to teach three frog.
Father is the only ONE God, “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6. If the father’s name is not written in your forehead, that means that you worship trinity and not the Father through Christ. “And I looked, and, lo a lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:1.”. The name of the Father Contained in the seal, He is the one that created the heaven and the earth through Christ; let us fear Him that made heaven and the earth and worship Him. He is the only true God.
In the temple of God on the seventh day Sabbath, people turned their backs toward God and they worshiped trinity- the god the son in trinity is referred to as “TAMUS”, the woman was weeping for Tamus in Ezek 8:14, “Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord’s house which was towards the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tamus”.
The Tamu’s father is Nimrod, he is the one that begin the kingdom of Babel. “ And cush begat Nimrod he begin to be mighty one in the earth. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel.” Gene 10:8,10.” The father of Tamus is Nimrod, trinity referred it as god the father. The mother of Nimrod is, Queen of heaven, (Serenamus). In this verse of Jeremiah, they burned incense to the queen of heaven “But we will certainly do whatsoever things goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burned incense into queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offering unto her………….Jeremiah 44:17.
Therefore, Nimrod (god the father), Tamus (god the son) and Queen of heaven (serenamus), (god the holy spirit are the trinity god, and they are the sun god that Sabbath church now turned towards east and worshiping it. The trinity god originate in Babel. It is the Babylonian god of catholic church-if you worship this god in seventh day Adventist church, you will never receive the seal of God. The seal of God contained (Father’s) name. Millions were in seventh day Adventist church and deceived into worshiping trinity-many are called but in the history of the bible-only few stands for the truth. “Thus, saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your soul. But they said, we will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16”
I find it startling that so many SDAs are completely ignorant about this part of early church history. It's not a hidden secret that there is no evidence of the early church (1st-2nd century) worshipping a Trinity god. The doctrine was developed over centuries and forced upon the church after council's in the 4th century. As Adventists, we are supposed to be historians, just like how we prove the false Sabbath of sun-worship by history. The Trinity has the same foundation, it's Roman Catholic. But people will continue to bury their head in the sand to this history for the sake of holding on to their cherished idol.
But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the gospel of Christ now than at any former period in her history. The Protestant churches are in great darkness, or they would discern the signs of the times... GC 565.4
Bro. Randy has here failed to discern the "sign of the time."
Yep, the church is waking up... Trinity is NOT biblical. 1 God, the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and their spirit known as the Holy Spirit. Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
the word trinity is a pagan concept.
Luke 24:46-47 KJV
“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
These scriptures are similar to each other,it’s the same command given by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28 :19, where he said, go into all the world teaching them to observe all things, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. The Terminology father son and Holy Ghost are titles , the name of God is Jesus and these titles are his manifestation’s . He is the Father as creator, the Son as regenerator, and the Holy Spirit as comforter.
Matthew 28:19-20 KJV
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
The assertion that this passage of scripture is talking about tree separate persons is synonymous with misunderstanding, as the concept finds its roots in Roman Catholic theology, prior to the ecclesiastical councils convened by the Roman Catholic Church for Biblical canonization. There was no mention of a Trinity until these councils. The term “Trinity” is a pagan concept retained by some Protestant Church, up to the present day.
The word 'trinity' appears nowhere in the Bible; the concept was finalized at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE after years of debate.
Colossians 3:17 KJV
“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
The word all means everything, including baptism, as per the Bible,
I like how the amplified Bible said it.
Colossians 3:17 AMPC
“And whatever you do [no matter what it is] in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus and in [dependence upon] His Person, giving praise to God the Father through Him.”
we must be knowledgeable about what we believe because knowledge is power
Hosea 4:6 KJV
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
Skeetes believes in the Trinity doctrine and defends it as Biblical. Where do you find the word Trinity in the Bible? Trinity doctrine DESTROY the Biblical teaching that "wē are saved through faith in the merits of Christ's righteousness as the substitute for our sinful lives." Skeetes DO NOT KNOW the difference between the Biblical term "Godhead" and Trinity, and because of that, he invents his own definition tō suit. Trinity did not start with Catholics. Principle of Trinity started with Lucifer in heaven. Skeetes needs tō do some honest studies.
That "Pagans eat breakfast" is not remotely applicable to this question. This question rises and falls on the existence of inspired evidence. There is actually no inspiration whatsoever which says the one God is a unity of 3 persons.
Non-trinitarians believe Jesus is fully God by Nature - He is fully Divine, because He is the "Son of God." So there is a fundamental misunderstanding on the part of Pr Skeete as to what non-trinitarians believe.
Matt 3:16 does not prove a Trinity. It was the "Spirit of God" which came down from God (His Spirit) and which filled Christ, not "another being."
Read it from EGW: "Never before have the angels listened to such a prayer. They are eager to bear to their loved Commander a message of assurance and comfort. But no; the Father Himself will answer the petition of His Son. Direct from the throne issue the beams of His glory. The heavens are opened, and upon the Saviour's head descends a dovelike form of purest light,--fit emblem of Him, the meek and lowly One." {DA 112.1} The "dovelike form" of the Holy Spirit of God are from "the Father Himself." It is the "beams of His glory." Not of some other person.
YOU USE THIS VERSE TO PROVE THE TRINITY ? Matt 28:19 (KJV)
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
THEN NO ONE IS SAVED BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE SON BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ... YOU ARE A DECEIVER ... THAT IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE ... A SHEEP IN WOLF CLOTHING WHO IS DECEIVING THE SHEEP ...AND BY THE LOOK OF IT IT MIGHT NOT BE THE ONLE DECEIVER IN YOUR CHURCH ... PEOPLE READ YOUR BIBLE FOR IN YOUR BIBLE YOU WILL KNO WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HIS NAME
The Trinity is not biblical
Jesus worship the Father
Or is it historic Adventist vs modern adventists? Better quit bashing and deal with this or you will destroy the church
Randy u don't have the mystery of God ..u have the mystery of teaching of Ellen white
This man put his own twist into Scriptures. Trinity or principle of Trinity he explains is NOT Biblical. He needs to study God's word without human opinion, his own personal opinion before sharing publicly.
TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OD OR 3 PERSON IN IONE GOD IS NOT ONLY WRONG IT IS BLASPHEMY ... IT SHOW THAT YOU DON'T KNOW GOD NOR HIS SON ... THE TRINITY ISNOT BIBLICAL FOR IIF IT WAS GOD WOULD HADE TOLD YOU SO ... GOD IS NOT A MYSTERY ...
WHO IS THE FATHER AND WHAT IS HIS NAME?
WHO IS THE SON AND WHAT IS HIS NAME?
WHO IS THE HOLY GHOST AND WHAT IS HIS NAME?
John 17:3 (KJV)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FATHER NOR THE SON WHO THE FATHER HAD SENT.THEN HOW WILL YOU EVEN KNOW WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT IF YOU CAN'T EVEN GET WHO IS THE FATHER AND WHO IS TE SON
DON'T EVEN USE JOHN 1:1 ... FOR IF YOU TAKE THAT LITERALLY THEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE GOD
YOU ARE A ADVENTIDT THAT BREAK THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF GOD
Exod 20:2-3 (KJV)
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ( WHAT IS HIS NAME)
Exod 6:3 (KJV)
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Deut 4:39 (KJV)
Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Matt 4:10 (KJV)
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
SAYING THAT JESUS IS GOD IS BLASPHEMY AGAING THE FATHER ... HE DOES NOT GIVE HIS TITLE TO ANYONE ... HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL THINGS CREATED
JESUS HAS A GOD WHO NAME IS JEHOVAH
BUT JEHOVAH DOES NOT HAVE A GOD FOR HE ALONE IS GOD
WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING DON'T KNOW HOW TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD
Because we heard a voice from heaven, a Spirit in form of dove, and Jesus doesn't mean 3 persons only.
Does it mean God was not anywhere else but Jesus' location only???
There's one person and being in the Godhead, but this God has the power to exist in many persons (that is to multiply himself)
Zechariah chapter 6 verse 13 'Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both'.
Of course only between them (the father and the Son) the holy spirit is their presence...as always referenced in the bible the holy spirit of God and NOT God the holy spirit
The Trinity doctrine is NOT biblical and it is the central doctrine of the papacy upon which all her other doctrines intwine.
Amen
With all due respect, Bro. Randy doesn't understand what trinity is or he has just decided to ignore truth about trinity. It is the Spirit of God our Father or Jesus the Son of God, period. And this is in no way degrading the Spirit.
Catholics expression of the trinity is like three God's and not one. They say God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit..like three God's. Trinity is Catholic. The more appropriate wording is triune One God and three persons.
We all know whom the Catholics are serving, so they'll apply the Trinity according to their liking and we all know by now the 3rd being they referring to.
A misunderstanding and error by this pastor
Can we also send in our questions pliz