Holy Spirit is none other than Jesus Christ himself divested of his personality of humanity; so it is Jesus but without his humanity, and not a third separate divine being called the God the spirit..that’s why Jesus says is John 14:18, I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you….
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what? (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14. Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human). Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God. ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. King James version Bible "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Berean Study Bible. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth. "It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh. "It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
@@bredsfoodsltd1529 Please do your homework and find out that this is an added text, known as 'Comma Johanneum'. Even the SDA church Bible Commentary and SDA Bible Research Institute tell you not use this text. How sad that the vast majority don't think for themselves and study the Scriptures, but rather rely on their leaders who are leading them down the path to perdition.
@@bredsfoodsltd1529 Are you a Roman Catholic SDA? Trinity/godhead baptismal vow.(one against eleven) Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Baptized unto Jesus? "It is written???????" Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. "It is written???????" Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” "It is written???????" Acts 8:16 “For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” "It is written???????" Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. "It is written???????" Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. "It is written???????" Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. "It is written???????" Roman 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? "It is written???????" Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 1:13 “Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” [Implied] "It is written???????" Colosians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. "It is written???????" Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.-Evangelism, 615.
Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor. Those who claim to be identified with the message that God has given us should have keen, clear spiritual perceptions, that they may distinguish truth from error. The word spoken by the messenger of God is “Wake up the watchmen.” If men will discern the spirit of the messages given and strive to find out from what source they come, the Lord God of Israel will guard them from being led astray.-Manuscript Release 760:9, 10.
And we have to allow EGW to define what the landmarks are, and not just men preaching here and there... The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] >> the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." >>>One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. >>> The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. >>> The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. >> I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all IMAGINARY. 1888 518.2 So the truth of the Eternal existence of the Word that was made flesh, is not part of the landmarks.
@LatterRainPower Exactly! Since God was giving the pioneers great light, which laid the foundation of the SDA church, if their belief in the One true God and His dear divine Son was incorrect, God would have corrected the error. But He didn't because they had it right. The old landmarks that were established after the passing of the time in 1844 opened the pioneers' eyes to new light. No new light was needed on the understanding of who God and His Son are. Hence, no new light was given on this subject.
@dawnetteb8657 Sorry, but I disagree. Nowhere in the list that she gave the quote that I shared, she mentioned anything about the Sonship of Christ, WHATSOEVER. Read the quote again. It is an invented point to further people's theology, which, in the late 1890s, clearly showed a shift in the understanding of the Eternal Godhead, as Three Distinct Erernal Beings.
EGW's warning of the changes. “I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
As the SOP says: The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency. . 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
It is so clear about the Holy Spirit as part of the God head. The Holy Spirit is the One who seals us. We should take Jesus word for it. Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit!
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what? (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14. Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human). Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God. ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. King James version Bible "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Berean Study Bible. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth. "It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh. "It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
This concept was established in 325 AD at the first Council of Nicaea. It was Constantine who decided what the world church at the time would believe, "regard Jesus as divine and co-eternal with God the Father". No human on this plant is omniscient. STUDY TO SHOW Y O U R S E L F approved unto Jehovah.
@@vegancookingwithpamandcaro1884 EGW's warning of the changes. “I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915 "It is written???????" Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. "It is written???????" Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart(Mind) is far from me. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. "It is written???????" 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry It is written??????? 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.” "It is written???????" 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. "It is written???????" John 14:15 If ye love me, keep(OBEY) my commandments. (I wonder why Jesus use the word "IF")(SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME) 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth(obeys)them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. "It is written" John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 15:10 If ye keep(obey) my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept(obeyed) my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Christ's condition of having a connection with Him. "At that day," said Christ, "ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you." Christ sought to impress the minds of the disciples with the distinction between those who are of the world, and those who are of Christ. He was about to die, but He would imprint on their minds the fact that He would live again. And although after His ascension He would be absent from them, yet by faith they might know and see Him. And He would have the same loving interest in them that He ever had. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 7} Christ assured His disciples that after His resurrection, He would show Himself alive to them. Then every mist of doubt, every cloud of darkness, would be rolled away. They would then understand that which they had not understood,-that there is a complete union between Christ and His Father, a union which will always exist. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 8} "He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." Again Christ repeated the condition of union with Him. This promise is made to every sincere Christian. Our Saviour speaks so plainly that no one need fail to understand that true love will always produce obedience. The religion of Jesus Christ is love. Obedience is the sign of true love. Christ and the Father are one, and those who in truth receive Christ, will love God as the great centre of their adoration, and will also love one another. Mrs. E. G. White. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 9} "It is written???????" John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep(obey) my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. "It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. "It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. "It is written???????" 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. "It is written???????" Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. False doctrine or ideas is an idol, "trinity/godhead", "Christ's mass", and "Halloween"? ETC? IDOLATRY. In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists-the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions-is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia. {DD 29.1} No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God. {LHU 143.4}
Hebrews 11:6 will answer this, to all the read the bible and study diligently the truth will be shown clearly. Have we disregarded the pilars of our faith?
The 3 Person of Godhead: 1. Jude 1:20-21; 2. Titus 3:5-7; 3. 2 Corinthians 13:14; 4. 1 Peter 1:2 5. Romans 15:30. Holy Holy, Holy is 1. the Father, 2. the Son [Luke 1:35]; 3. the Holy Spirit, in Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8. ❤
The term "God the Holy Spirit" is a _spiritualistic_ expression. Compare to 1 Corinthians 5:3-5 where Paul speaks of his spirit as being present in Corinth while he was physically absent (in Ephesus, according to Ellen White). If we separate "Paul the Spirit" from "Paul the Man," we are claiming that Paul's spirit is a separate entity from Paul himself, and has its own existence apart from him. This is the essence of spiritualism, which is defined as: "the doctrine that the spirit exists as distinct from matter, or that spirit is the only reality." The Bible never speaks of "God the Spirit." It says "spirit of God." There is a difference. One is spiritualistic, the other is truth.
@@MongRay-n8i imagine Uriah Smith as head editor approving what you call “spiritualism” to be fed to the flock in the following statement: Preceding this beginning, there must have been, according to Rom. 16: 25, R. V., ‘ times eternal,’ when there were no worlds, no created being, not even an angel; in fact, there were only three beings-God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ; these three persons in the Godhead.” . Phelps, Review and Herald, Vol. 78, No. 1, January 1, 1901 Why did not a single pioneer oppose “God the Holy Spirit” when openly published in our leading periodical? The same goes for “God the Son” which non trinitarians have been deceived into believing was inimical to pioneer belief: Now, The Importance of Studying all the Prophecies D. T. Bourdeau Review and Herald - May 21, 1889 God the Father and God the Son will ever be the great teachers of all the immortal intelligences of the universe, who will ever delight to learn of God and the Lamb, from the character and incommensurable attributes of divinity as reflected by the Saviour, from nature, and from Revelation. The Mind of Christ James White Review and Herald - January 4, 1881 2. In creation, and in the institution of law, the Son was equal with the Father. In the beginning, before the fall, God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Gen. 1:26. Compare with this statement, words that are found in one of the gospels: "In the beginning was the Word [Christ], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. It was God the Father that said to God the Son, "Let us make man." The Extent and Purpose of the Third Angel's Message A. T. Jones Signs of the Times - September 30, 1886 The Third Angel's Message embraces Sinai and Calvary; the law of God and the gospel of Christ; God the Father and God the Son; and when this message ends the work of God for the salvation of men-the mystery of God-will be finished. Be a Berean or be deceived.
The 3 Person of Godhead: 1. Jude 1:20-21; 2. Titus 3:5-7; 3. 2 Corinthians 13:14; 4. 1 Peter 1:2 5. Romans 15:30. Holy Holy, Holy is 1. the Father, 2. the Son [Luke 1:35]; 3. the Holy Spirit, in Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8. ❤
@@pensamientosdepazpalabrasd4967 Let's consider one of your verses: 2 Corinthians 13:14, which says "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen." (KJV). It mentions "Lord", "God", and "spirit" (KJV: "Ghost") all in the same verse, right? But did you know that the terms "Lord" and "God" are not synonymous? Consider the following two texts: Mat. 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Rom. 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Christ is "Lord" of the dead, but God is NOT "God" of the dead. The two terms are distinct from each other, and cannot mean the same thing. If Lord=God, the Bible would contradict itself. Yes, Jesus and his Father are two separate beings. They each have their own persons. One is God, one is God's Son--our Lord. The holy spirit is their sweet spirit, their divine influence, that is our comforter. The Bible identifies this spirit in 1 John 2:1 as being that of Jesus Christ--unfortunately translated as "advocate" instead of "Comforter" as it was translated in every other place. Check the Greek.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3 May the Spirit of God give clarity.
I don't understand so much of this. Scripture seems clear there is one God, one son Jesus and the representative spirit of Jesus is The Holy Spirit. SDA pastors, leaders practicing speaking in tongues of gibberish, spiritual formation, contemplative prayer...Jesuit foundations last two. Now past doctrine and beliefs are wrong....so is it possible current new trends will be wrong/false.
"Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son....Yet Christ, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created...Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone." The Story of Redemption, Ch#1 Paragraph #1 ... "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:12-14
@@scottwakefield9741 I also believe the scriptures are CLEAR. ONE God, One Son of God, THEIR Spirit. I don't know why so many pastors are taking SO many words (and theatrics) in attempt to convince people to disbelieve what is so clear in Scripture. May God continue to lead His people to all truth 💕
@@MsSmilest it’s important to rightly divide the word. Note inspiration also says this: You left your friends and comfortable home, and came to teach me how to find Jesus, and believe in Him as the only true God. ChS 274.1
Chapter 73-“Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled” This chapter is based on John 13:31-38; John 14; John 15; John 16; John 17. Desire of Ages 1898 Before this the Spirit had been in the world; from the very beginning of the work of redemption He had been moving upon men’s hearts(mind). But while Christ was on earth, the disciples had desired no other helper. Not until they were deprived of His presence would they feel their need of the Spirit, and then He would come. { DA 669.1} The Holy Spirit (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)is Christ’s representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. { DA 669.2}
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8 Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
@@harley6394-h3f It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what? (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14. Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human). Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God. ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. King James version Bible "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Berean Study Bible. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth. "It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh. "It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
@@JamesE-f4b Act 8-29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. Act 10-19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Act 13-2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. In these verses, it is evident that the Holy Spirit is speaking Himself. There is no evidence in these verses that anyone is speaking through Him. The Holy Spirit is very much a Person Matthew 12-32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The 3 Person of Godhead: 1. Jude 1:20-21; 2. Titus 3:5-7; 3. 2 Corinthians 13:14; 4. 1 Peter 1:2 5. Romans 15:30. Holy Holy, Holy is 1. the Father, 2. the Son [Luke 1:35]; 3. the Holy Spirit, in Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8. ❤
But according to BRI and SDA Bible Commentary 1 John 5:7 cannot be used to prove the Trinity doctrine because it was not in the original manuscripts. Their own trinitarian theologians recognized that.
@15:20 Pastor Ron Kelly voices that John chapter 17 asserts that Christ's prays, 'Let this church, being his disciples, be one, as the Father and the Spirit and the Son are one.' And yet... when we read the whole of the chapter? The Spirit of God is not even spoken of once.
@@canadiancontrarian3668 TY for posting. I just re-read Jn 17. So many TRUTHS. "John 17:21 KJV - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
"Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son....Yet Christ, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created...Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone." The Story of Redemption, Ch#1 Paragraph #1 ... "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit ALSO upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:12-14
The Story Of Redemption was published in 1947. IT IS NOT a book written by E. G. White, but was from books she authored and those she never authored. Please read the actual Redemption Series Volumes 1 - 8. These she actually authored and James White published. They are really , really good. I'm just finishing #8 in the Series. This is my 3rd time reading in the 15 years I've had them. Still find new and exiting truths within them.
@@user-fe6km7gw8m That's fine. Search the Fall of Lucifer in Early Writings. Copyright 1882 But, more importantly - Search The Scriptures....for in them ye find eternal life. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3
@@user-fe6km7gw8mthank you for this information, I think it is vital to be able to see fully the way it was meant to be read as she wrote them, the compilations can be read/taken out of context perhaps not purposefully but because people seriously do not read as they did when she had written those volumes … and so shortened up there is sometimes lost what the author was actually saying.
@@user-fe6km7gw8m Also the Spirit of Prophecy vols 1-4 is authored by Ellen White in the year 1870. The Story Redemption has many small changes for example SOP vol 1 says “Satan” and Story Redemption changes to “Lucifer” For example the name “Jesus” they changed his name to “Christ” . SOP vol 1: “yet Jesus, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host.” pg 18 SOR: “yet *Christ* , God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host.” pg 13
The compilations allow us to read information from documents we do not have. Each paragraph is noted as to its origin. I am not sure where this is referenced, but I remember the jest of it... "Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne. They did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and pray, My Father give us thy spirit. Then Satan would breathe on them an unholy influence."
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8 Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
And Jesus did as He said. Read this verse very carefully. Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Wrong, the pioneers believed Jesus received His full divinity from the Father, the Son is the Heir of the Father, Jesus has the life of the Father in Him, the fulness of divinity dwells in Him. He was equal with the Father because the Father made Him so. The Father is greater because he is the source, Jesus is the channel, and he receieved everything from Him. We behold the Son to be sons and daughters and His spirit in us says Abba! The Son of God is begotten not created. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God and Christ, the life, the mind, the presence of them both. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. " 10LtMs, Lt 119, 1895, par. 18
All I have to say is bashing a people for analyzing the world around them and formulating an opinion based on the facts around them is not going to win them over to God. Secondly, Noah was a "conspiracy theorist" till it started to rain. Lastly stating Satan's lies as conspiracies is disingenuous. Call them for what they were, lies, no merroit in them.
As Adventists, we should be ahead of the pack of conspiracy theorists! Not that all claims of conspiracy are true, but our knowing that deception is the name of the game at the end, how in the world can we join with the mainline media? Have we become dogs that cannot bark? Who's going to blow the trumpet when the conspirators finally come out in the light of day. Unless there's a big turnaround, it won't be by pastor Ron. (I'm not a flat-earther.) We know, or should know, that the vile king of the north "by peace destroys many". He always flattered and then rose up and conquered the flattered people, kind of like Hitler laughing off an attack on Poland while he piled up his military on Poland's border. They were waltzing the night away when Hitler came down in short order taking over. Poor Polish people trusted him! How could he??!! I'm flabbergasted that whistle blowing SDAs are now called disingenuous by a renowned pastor. Isn't that any different from Ahab calling Elijah a troubler of the people? Especially when we know that there will be a fierce conflict when the papacy is ready to get back ALL its former glory and absolute power. If SDAs won't be crying out, the secular community will do it for us. And how will we do in judgment day at the court that has no appeal?
This message was given in a sda church for sda ppl. What can you expect? A watered-down message? There is a time and place, and the message is crafted for that particular time and place.
I am an Adventist and most of his sermons are not watered down. But this one was disingenuous. And most of the sermons from my church are not for the faint of heart.
Jesus was not distracted by the falsehood around him, he keep his mind and eyes straight on his Father, no lies and attacks could get his attention in the negative way.. Praise God again and again.
@13:25 Pastor Ron Kelly states that 'James White did not believe in the full divinity of Christ'... I am not aware of any such assertion by our first conference president, James White. Could Pastor Kelly please provide the reference or quote? From my readings of our church history, I have found the complete inverse. Such as... "We do not deny the divinity of Christ...We believe him to be the divine person addressed by Jehovah by his own words, 'Let us make man'. He was with the Father before the world was... We have not as much sympathy with Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ, as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the Father, and talk so mistily about the three- one god. Give the Master all the divinity with which the Holy Scriptures clothe Him." RH, June 6, 1871, page 196, Western Tour.
Brorher John Byington was the first president. Because of this mistake, i question the rest of your surmisings. But obviously, Brother White's beliefs changed over time, as mine and most people on earth as they are presented with new information.
@@1-John-2.4-3.3 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. "It is written???????" John 14:15 If ye love me, keep(OBEY) my commandments. (I wonder why Jesus use the word "IF")(SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME) 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth(obeys)them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. "It is written" John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 15:10 If ye keep(obey) my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept(obeyed) my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. "It is written???????" John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep(obey) my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. "It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. "It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 1John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. "It is written???????" Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
When you are talking about the divinity of this Christ, you are referring to? Which time period of his existence are you referring to? Is it before or after becoming human? If during his humanity? what kind of the divine nature attribute is the real 100% human Christ I ascribe, possess? "Partakers of the divine nature"? Can a human partake of the divine nature? or not. What does the God, I ascribe to, say? through HIS messengers/prophets? especially the last one.
I'm keeping you Pastor Kelly and this ministry in my prayers. God bless you always and all the rest of our leaders who are standing and form and strong for our faith.
Praying for unity, for the wisdom and discernment God has promised. We will be victorious the only living God is with us ! His Son our redeemer and Savior is interceding in our behalf as the Holy Spirit is convicting our hearts to get ready for the sealing of the almighty King of the Universe…. We must diligently prepare 🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what? (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14. Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human). Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God. ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. King James version Bible "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Berean Study Bible. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth. "It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh. "It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree; and ministers who are handling sacred things are guilty of sin in this respect. They are coveting their neighbors’ wives, and the seventh commandment is broken. We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird; and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?" {TSB 188.3} “There is hope in one direction. Take the young men and women and place them where they will come as little as possible in contact with our churches, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian.” The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters (1985), Page 344 “When a church proves unfaithful to the word of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them.” Manuscript Releases, Vol. 14 [Nos. 1081 - 1135], page 102 “If the church of God becomes lukewarm, it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.” Manuscript Releases, Vol. 19, page 176 I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant. EW 261.1
1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; “16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. ” John 14:16-18 KJV Who is the spirit of truth? Who is the 'I will come to you'?
If you want to know the truth about God please read "Christ and His Righteousness" by E.J. Waggoner. It is the message that God inspired him to give in 1888. And it makes this topic very clear! May we come in prayer to God, with a humble and teachable spirit. Being willing to follow the truth wherever it leads. AMEN
“3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain. 5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. 6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations. 7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. 10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. 12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. ” Ezekiel 8:3-18 KJV
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So very correct. Evil has been spoken of against our 1872/ 1889 Fundamental principles. We as watchmen on the wall are to guard the original pillars...Right?
Oh my, Ron. If what you say is true, then when EGW said, in 1896, that we have the truth, she was wrong. And at the same time, the Roman church and her daughters had the truth and we we’re saying that they were wrong about the trinity. One of the jobs of a prophet is to correct the church. If what you are saying is true then she was unable to correct her own husband and unable to correct the church. I’m the Desire of Ages she says that “while Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, he is still by his spirit the minister of the church on earth.”
The RCC's version of the Trinity is not the same as the SDA's version. The RCC believes there is only one God who manifests Himself in three ways where as we believe there is three distinct Gods, the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit who are one in purpose, plan, & action.
Did you hear about John 17? What verse points to the trinity in John 17? Where else in the bible to we learn that God is made up of three personal beings?
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES? “The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. “This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled “The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28) According to Karen Armstrong Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106). “the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason. Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”. THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY" A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT “To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities." THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit". Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3} Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE? "It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. "It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
I truly hope that people will follow the advice to take their Bibles and study it out for themselves. I also hope that they will include passages like Roman 8:16 and Romans, 8:26, where the Holy Spirit is called "itself" rather than "himself" and also first Peter 1:11, John 1:32 where it has "it" instead of "he" when referring to the Holy Spirit. All of these need to be addressed and reconciled. Also study 1 Corinthians chapter 2 verses, 10 and 11, where man and his Spirit is compared to God and His Spirit. If we can harmonize these, then that will be great. Also, the Comforter (the paracletos) has a name. We find the name of the Comforter in 1 John 2:1. I hope people will study this. I would like to know why Luke 1:35 names the Holy Ghost as the father, yet Jesus called someone else His Father (God the Father). It is a pity James White, Ellen White and the founders were so wrong back in 1844 through to 1913, as the yearbook and publications were producing the 1872 fundamental principles which are, apparently, so wrong. I thought principles don't change. They should have used "fundamental beliefs"...we know beliefs change (they changed in 1980). I hope people study the foundation Jesus taught in Mt 16:15-18. It seems James White may have understood that passage.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what? (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14. Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human). Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God. ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. King James version Bible "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Berean Study Bible. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth. "It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh. "It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
THE SECOND COMMANDMENT, THE TRINITY, AND THE OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD I always wondered what was so significant about the second Commandment that Rome found it necessary to remove it altogether from the Ten Commandments. But it appears that there is a fundamental truth in that Commandment concerning where God's presence is that is intended to protect us from all forms of false worship.
The second Commandment tells us that we should not bow down before any image. This implies that God is not in any image. Which means that God is not everywhere. The Bible tells us that God is in heaven; and heaven is not everywhere. Heaven is above the earth and that is where we should direct our worship to God, where He is. He knows everything that happens everywhere and can go wherever He pleases but His abode is in heaven where Jesus, our High Priest and intercessor, is presenting our cases to Him. - "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Heb. 8:1). Furthermore, both the prophets Daniel and John saw God in heaven with the angels gathered around His throne and Jesus being separate and distinct (Dan. 7 and Rev. 4, 5). Daniel said "the Ancient of days did sit" (Dan. 7:9) and "one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days" (Dan. 7:13). John said "one sat on the throne" (Rev. 4:2) who was worshipped as the Creator to whom it was said "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11), with Jesus appearing before Him to receive a book and power and authority, as the Lamb who was slain, while the angels sang, "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (Rev. 5:13). God is not everywhere all at once like a vapour while part of Him or an image sits on the throne representing Him. God Himself sits, of whom man was made in His image after His likeness, "made after the similitude of God" (James 3:9). Logically, if God is everywhere, He can be worshipped wherever He is. One could then bow down and worship before a stone, a tree, a person or any object, not as worshipping the object but as worshipping God, since God is in it. That would open the door for the worship of false Gods as no one would be able to tell the difference whether you are worshipping the true God or not.
It would not be consistent to forbid worshipping before an object if God is in the object and one is worshipping, not the object, but God who is in the object. This is evident in the experience of the children of Israel in the wilderness. God appeared to them in a cloud and they were not forbidden to bow before Him in the cloud - "And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud" (Ex. 19:9), "And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door" (Ex. 33:10). If God is not in a particular place, say in an image, it means that there is at least one place where He is not. He cannot be everywhere and not everywhere at the same time. The idea that the Holy Spirit is God present everywhere was precisely the argument that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg put forward to justify his pantheistic teachings. And Ellen White told him that he was wrong. Initially, he said that God was in everything. And when God instructed Ellen White to oppose it, he modified it by saying that at the time of his first presentation of the matter in the book "The Living Temple" he did not believe in the Trinity. Because of that, he said he had not given a clear explanation of the matter. He went on to explain that he had now come to believe in the Trinity and could better explain his idea. The new explanation was that it was not God the Father, but God the Holy Ghost who was everywhere and in everything. Ellen White told him that he was wrong. And we can see why. If God the Holy Spirit is everywhere and can be worshipped, it is a doorway to replace worshipping God and Christ in heaven entirely.
Another modified version of Kellogg's idea is that the Holy Spirit is really Christ himself or both God and Christ in an omnipresent form. This is also not correct as it places God and Christ on earth rather than in heaven.
The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism stated in their Fundamental Principles of faith published in the 1889 Yearbook that God was everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. At face value, this would suggest that this representative is omnipresent. But it is perhaps more consistent with scripture to say that He is everywhere present by His representatives the holy spirits. Holy spirits are ministering spirits sent from heaven - "And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." (John1:51). "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" (Heb. 1:14).
This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere.
From this perspective, there is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18 who comes down from heaven with the latter rain - a similar occurrence as that which took place at Pentecost except more extensive - the Comforter would be seen as a messenger sent by Christ from heaven, as stated repeatedly in John 14-16. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). It should be noted that Jesus's warning against blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is not implying that the Holy Spirit is more to be revered than Jesus Himself. Jesus went back to heaven and promises to return to this earth to take us to His Father's house in heaven. He left the Holy Spirit to guide us until He returns. If we reject that guidance by blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, there will be nobody to guide us. The situation is like what God told the children of Israel in the wilderness - "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." (Ex. 23:20, 21). It is simply warning us not to reject the Holy Spirit's guidance. It is not forbidding us seeking to understand who the Holy Spirit is or what the Holy Spirit does. So, there we have it. The church has now fully accepted Kellogg's idea. Ellen White said that the initial presentation by Kellogg was the alpha of deadly heresies. She said that the omega would follow shortly afterwards and would be accepted. And it did follow shortly afterwards in Kellogg's modified version, based on his acceptance of the Trinity. And the church has now fully accepted it - that God (the Holy Spirit) is everywhere and should be worshipped. So, based on current practice, Jesus is worshipped, the Holy Spirit is worshipped but the One true God is almost entirely ignored. Jesus, praying to His Father, made it clear who the "only true God" is and identified Himself as the one sent by God - "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3). Nowhere in the Bible is worship given to anyone else except the one seated on the throne who is referred to as "LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come" (Rev.4:8) and to Christ, the Lamb, as it will be in the new earth - "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." (Rev. 21:22). God is the Father of Christ. Accordingly, Christ, the Lamb is seen with "an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads" (Rev. 14:1). It is the name of the Lamb's Father that will be written in their foreheads. Whatever one's concept of the Godhead, the term "godhead" is used only three times in the Bible (Acts 17:29, Rom. 1:20 and Col. 2:9) and in none of these places is the expression used to replace the idea of God being a single individual who has a Divine Son who is worshipped alongside Himself. And not even once does the term "godhead" in scripture allude to the worship of anyone else. All worship should be directed to God and Christ in heaven. It is not about where we are when we worship but, like sending a petition to the king of England, we do not send it to Spain or Australia but to him in England where he is. Similarly, Jesus in teaching us how to pray directed that we say, "Our Father which art in heaven".
We should not be praying to nor worshipping anything on earth. We should pray to God in heaven, approaching His throne through Christ, our Mediator, and we should direct our worship to heaven where God is. This is the substance of the second Commandment that Rome has removed.
Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. Only to know the Father and His Son… Joh 17:3
I was just delving into the Trinity subject and after reading all the biblical verses I could find regarding the topic I was presented with this video on my timeline. I don't think it was by chance.
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says. Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ? Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God is Three in one and one in three, they insist. Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures. Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power. Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. About a total of 45 verses in N.T. The rest of the statements are not found at all. God the Son = 0 But = The Son of God about 71 times. God the Spirit = 0 Spirit of God = about 105 times Spirit Definition American Heritage Dictionary: "Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings." So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form. Scriptures does NOT reveal that the Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
@@ericfolks1503Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says. Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ? Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God is Three in one and one in three, they insist. Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures. Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power. Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. About a total of 45 verses in N.T. The rest of the statements are not found at all. God the Son = 0 But = The Son of God about 71 times. God the Spirit = 0 Spirit of God = about 105 times Spirit Definition American Heritage Dictionary: "Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings." So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form. Scriptures does NOT reveal that the Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says. Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ? Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God is Three in one and one in three, they insist. Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures. Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power. Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. About a total of 45 verses in N.T. The rest of the statements are not found at all. God the Son = 0 But = The Son of God about 71 times. God the Spirit = 0 Spirit of God = about 105 times Spirit Definition American Heritage Dictionary: "Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings." So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form. Scriptures does NOT reveal that the Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
@@juliosalinas4436 Those verse are to show They are connected and They work in oneness to fulfilled what They had plan before world begin. God show His light according to the era and reasoning and discussion and correction is what scripture says. According to the light we know what says in the scripture says....Catholic terminology of trinity is very different from SDA terminology of trinity because SDA derived from scripture.
It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, “the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father.” It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, “He shall not speak of Himself.” John 15:26; 16:13. { AA 51.3} 52
Jesus us the comforter be He often said I don’t speak of myself but whatever the Father said to me I speak that to you. Here is a Bible study w SOP which makes it clear. God bless 🙏 www.earthenvessels.org.au/s/AJAG.pdf
@@NancyPierre-Louis-rf2ox do your research on 1 John 5:7 Go to the SDA Bible Research Institute and SDA Bible Commentary and find out what they say about that Bible verse. The word of God gives us plenty of evidence that God is the Father not three. That Jesus is the literal son of God not metaphorical.
As the SOP says: Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [This phrase was added by Ellen White.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” [John 14:26]. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you” [John 16:7]. . 14MR 23.3
The 3 Person of Godhead: 1. Jude 1:20-21; 2. Titus 3:5-7; 3. 2 Corinthians 13:14; 4. 1 Peter 1:2 5. Romans 15:30. Holy Holy, Holy is 1. the Father, 2. the Son [Luke 1:35]; 3. the Holy Spirit, in Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8. ❤
The divine unity between God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit is in Matthew 28:19 1 John 5:7 2 Corinthians 13:14 1 Peter 1:2 described. They are God the Father and God the Son two persons and the person of the Holy Spirit. 🙏📖❤
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES? “The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. “This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled “The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28) According to Karen Armstrong Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106). “the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason. Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”. THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY" A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT “To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities." THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit". Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3} Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE? "It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. "It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Amen!! Anyone who does some basic early church researching will find that what you are saying is spot on correct. I've done extensive historical and Biblical and SOP research on the trinity. It is a FALSE teaching which WILL ensnare those who do not have the love of the truth and who do not bother to investigate for themselves.
I believe in the Trinity, but I never believe Ron believes all the mainstream scientism, and the deep state and CIA had nothing to do with JFK and twin towers... so NASA produces a picture of the earth and he's convinced. He mentions a text of the Bible saying the Circle of the Earth, and he concludes it's a ball? So every time I eat a Circle Pizza I'm eating a round spheroid pizza??
We as Seventh-Day Adventist take the Bible as the Only rule for faith and practice. We also believe that "man doth not live by bread alone, but every word of God". The word trinity is of Catholic origin and is not found the bible nor the SOP. Why then adopt this "child of the papacy"? We believe in the biblical Godhead of which consist of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as separate/distinct individuals. The catholic trinity dogma does not agree with the bible on this. Why have leaders and admin chosen to adopt this term and bring in confusion among the ranks of believers? The best thing to do to promote unity in the truth is to drop the term "trinity" from all things related to Adventism and teach the truth of the Godhead by describing it just as it reads. Godhead! Let's turn back to the Bible and the "Testimonies of His Spirit": The Lord has pronounced a curse upon those who take from or add to the Scriptures. The great I AM has decided what shall constitute the rule of faith and doctrine, and he has designed that the Bible shall be a household book. The church that holds to the word of God is irreconcilably separated from Rome. Protestants were once thus apart from this great church of apostasy, but they have approached more nearly to her, and are still in the path of reconciliation to the Church of Rome. Rome never changes. Her principles have not altered in the least. She has not lessened the breach between herself and Protestants; they have done all the advancing. But what does this argue for the Protestantism of this day? It is the rejection of Bible truth which makes men approach to infidelity. It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4} Peace if Possible...Truth at all Costs! Elder Chris Mangar
@@Preschtheword It's the other word for 1000 years and therefore doesn't make a difference. The word 'trinity' has a definition that has stood for 1500 years. It doesn't apply to 'a team of three' as commonly thought. Linguistically, yes, but as the Christian dogma that it is, NO. For it to be the hallowed trinity that it has been since it's formulation, it should have at its core the claim that the three are an inseparable singular substance. Check the founding, historical ecumenical creeds. This is where the dogma taps its revered unscriptural, human authority that unleashed bloody terror on its rejectors. Currently a number of eminent Adventist theologians, including one Max Hatton, adhere to this view in their denominationally published and marketed (ABC) books and theses. You'll be shocked this is true; I'm not vilifying them. So this is believed in our church. A variant of this is the doctrine expressed Belief number 2 of SDA 28 Fundamental Beliefs which claims that the three are completely separate and distinct, having a co-equal, co-eternal existence. These three make up the being who is called God and this God is referred to by the pronoun 'He'. You'll have to face the hardship of denying tri-theism and establishing the claim that God is a singular, monotheistic being. In fact, the roots of these two views are the same, and the Bible, if understood in its simplicity gives a wonderful, gospel fulfilling view of the whole matter.
EGW's warning of the changes. “I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
Has anyone asked themselves why so many clear statements undeniable statements from the pen of SOP (on this topic) were written the very last yrs of her life. There is a big picture here ppl need to stand back.
"...that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferioir to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, “Let us make man in our image?”” (James White, November 29, 1877, Review & Herald)
Hmmm, I'd put in context of John 16:7, 13-14 [7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. [13] However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [14] He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. Friend, I'm curious. What would you do with John 14:18 in light of these words of Jesus?
@@brianhollis7585 Makes sense...Christ is speaking of himself in the third person. This is just another instance. This passage is also fully clarified four verses later. Judas tells us. 'How is it that THOU wilt manifest thyself to us, and not unto the world?' John 14:22 The disciples knew Christ was speaking of himself. So the choice is ours... Should we concur and side with the disciples? Or submit to the wrangling of the conference preacher?
Anthony, what Jesus said there in John 14:18 is true. The proof can be found in the combination of these three verses. Rev 3:1, 4:5 and 5:6. The Father GAVE Jesus His (our Father's) 7 Holy Spirits --- so now it IS Jesus' Spirit. And, they (Jesus' Spirits) are sent throughout the world to all of us.
@@holdthewinds The seven spirits are simply measured amounts of God's own Spirit. Right? There are many examples of this. Such as Elisha receiving a double portion of what was bestowed upon Elijah. Or as recorded in Numbers chapter 11, God removes a certain amount of HIS Spirit from Moses and apportions it to the 70 elders. These are instructional illustrations of how our Father pours out His own Spirit and how it is quantified by God's own choosing. Amen?
You want to know the problem with doctrine? When all we do is give great sermons, moving people to change their lives and FORGET to cover the basics behind our faith we start thinking like the rest of Christendom. Every so often I hear of a loving SDA passing away. Along with that I find loving SDA family members declaring that person is in Heaven watching over us. If we aren't teaching it or if we aren't teaching people to "study for themselves" we leave them without the things that move us to thirst after righteousness. Maranatha!
Well said. Unfortunately doctrines ain't the priority now in SDA church. It's all love love love. Ellen White calls it false charity or free-loveism and says it's Spiritualism . Yes the new age movement has taken over.
@@witness8907 Human mentality always gravitate, to paganism. Are you one of them? Trinity is trinity, no matter how you slice it. If you have dissected the god you ascribe to. That is your business. The SDA corporation Trinity is on your bible? It is not on mine. Deal with the following. It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? "It is written???????" Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. "It is written???????" Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart(Mind) is far from me. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. "It is written???????" 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry It is written??????? 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.” "It is written???????" 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. "It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. "It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. "It is written???????" 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. False doctrine or ideas is an idol, "trinity/godhead", "Christ's mass", and "Halloween"? ETC? IDOLATRY. In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists-the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions-is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia. {DD 29.1} No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God. {LHU 143.4}
"Adventists beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of 'present truth'. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord... Likewise, the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by early Adventists." -ibid “Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denomination’s Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity.” (George R. Knight-professor of church history at the Theological Seminary, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan; Ministry, October, 1993, p. 10) “either the pioneers were wrong and the present church is right, or the pioneers were right and the present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.” - Jerry Moon, The Trinity, Chapter, Trinity and antitrinitarianism in Seventh-day Adventist history, p. 190
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. This Bible verse applies to this video.
Pastor Kelly, at minute 15:15 you say the following, and I quote: "Read John 17, I don't have time to do it today, but Jesus' prayer is: "Let this church (praying for His disciples) be one, as the Father and the Spirit and the Son are one". That is a prayer that ought to take our minds into outer space". End of quote. Now brother Kelly, can you please tell us what verse you're quoting? And what translation of which Bible you're using? I've looked at several bible translations, in English and other languages and I do not find John mentioning the Spirit anywhere in John 17. What Bible are you using? I'm not non-trinitarian nor trinitarian. I believe my Bible that there is a God the Father, there is Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son, our Savior, and the Bible is also clear there is a Holy Spirit (though Revelation mentions 7 spirits at God's throne), so that is enough for me,i believe the three exist. I definitively do not believe the theory that seems to be taught in seminaries and is advocated by Vance Ferrell that the three are 'role playing' and that any of the three could have played the Father, or the Son, and they basically threw dice for what 'role to play'. Reading that theory in Vance Ferrell's book 'Defending the Godhead' actually turned me against what the SDA church officially teaches in regards to Trinity, for it is non-Biblical. I studied the subject seriously for years with much prayer, by studying from both sides and finally arrived at the conclusion that yes, there are three "worthies" in heaven, but our mind is too limited to discern the intricacies and details of the Godhead. Therefore I decided to leave the subject alone, if God wanted us to know He would have told us more clearly. However, to hear you defend Trinity by using verses that are not in my Bible makes me wonder who the Fake News actually is. Am I mistaken, does anyone know what verse pastor Kelly is talking about in John 17? As far as i can see, the verse that he seems to refer to is verse 21 that says: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:". No mention of the Spirit that I can find in my Bibles in this context. And I don't want to add it there, for I take seriously God's warning in Revelation 22:18 to those adding anything to the Scriptures. I'd like to hear from you pastor Kelly, or anyone that knows what verse he's using in this context, it happens that I do want to take the time to look for it, unlike pastor Kelly.
@@dennis3264 Titus 2:13 does not call Jesus God, as you have improperly claimed. It addresses two separate entities: Jesus and His Father. The use of "and" does not mean "equal," it means "also." This is supported by the Greek "καὶ" (kai) which is a dysjunctive conjunction. If a copulative conjunction were intended, Greek has the (more poetic) option of using "te kai" to indicate a "both...and" relationship between the two nouns--which does not occur in Titus 2:13.
@@dennis3264 Read Acts 5 until verse 9. You will see the whole truth. The Holy Spirit is not another person or God but the Spirit of God and the Spirit of our Lord which comes from God the Father. Let no man deceive you. God is a personal being and there is one God. Do not spiritualise God. Jesus is God by virtue of being the literal begotten Son of God. That's not metaphorical.
@@Cryaloud You're right about some things. But when you say Jesus is God, you are perhaps not realizing what you are teaching, nor that you oppose many plain passages of the Bible in doing so. Consider James 1:13 which says God cannot be tempted with evil. Was Jesus tempted? What theology would we have about salvation and the plan of redemption if Jesus had never been tempted in all points like as we are? Consider Numbers 23:19 which says God is not a man, nor the son of man. Did Jesus lie in Matthew 16:13 when he called himself "the son of man"? Consider Jesus' own words in John 4:24 that God is a spirit, and then Jesus' words in Luke 24:39 saying "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Jesus openly taught that he was not God! Would Jesus have been correct to say that the Father was "the only true God" (John 17:3) if in actual fact he, as "the literal begotten Son of God," was God too? Did people see Jesus? Yet why did John write, twice, that "no man hath seen God at any time"? (See John 1:18; 1 John 4:12.) Jesus said "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." (Matthew 22:32) But Paul said: "Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living." (Romans 14:9). Was Paul wrong? Is the Bible incorrect? Does God = Lord? These are questions you may wish to consider. In the spirit of 1 Peter 3:15 and Romans 14:5, I hope you are able to find solid answers to them. For my own journey to truth, John 14:10; 12:49; 10:38; and 8:28 were very helpful, in addition to things like John 5:43 & 37.
Anyone who can read Biblical Greek can easily see that the Comforter is Jesus. The Greek word is "parakletos." It occurs only five times in the New Testament, always written by John. In the last occurrence, the Trinitarian translators of the Bible changed this from their consistent "Comforter" translation to "advocate." This was in 1 John 2:1 which identifies our Parakletos as Jesus Christ.
@@MongRay-n8i Jesus is not two Comforters. Just one of two. Note James White: James White: There are two distinct comforters. "The distinction between the manifestations of the Holy Spirit and the personal presence of Christ at his second appearing is made very plain in the Scriptures. Says Jesus, "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter." John 14:16. This language implies the DISTINCT EXISTENCE of MORE THAN ONE COMFORTER. When Christ was with is people, he was their comforter. In his absence, the Father was to send another Comforter, even the Spirit of truth. During the absence of the Son, the Holy Spirit was to be his representative, and the comforter of his sorrowing people. {1865? JW, SEADV 11.3}
@@MongRay-n8i Another interesting note: The THREE horns (nations) that were plucked up by the big horn (beast) were Anti-Trinitarian. I always found that fact telling.
@@MsSmilest Yes! I just learned that fact about two months ago. The question it brought most sharply to my mind was this: Why haven't Adventists been teaching this? It is, as you say, "telling."
@@MongRay-n8i God is guiding His people. I believe - have believed for almost 50yr - that the "Doctrine of the Trinity" would be the cause of the SHAKING...and here it is. Praise God. Jesus is coming SOON ❤️
I have a question. If Jesus was omnipresent before He came to earth as a man. And He lost the ability to be omnipresent how was He auto send Himself back as the Comforter?
The nature of the Holy Spirit (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. { AA 52.1}
Not one of the founders could be baptized in the SDA church today including EG White because of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. None of the founders were Trinitarians. EG White’s husband was very vocal about being a non Trinitarian. If EG White was a prophet, which she definitely was, she would have corrected him. Not one Bible verse says “ God the Holy Spirit”.
"The doctrine of the trinity is true when rightly understood." --Stephen N. Haskell (SDA pioneer), Bible Training School, Feb. 1, 1906 "Elder Haskell is a man of influence and has had an experience that goes back to the early days of the message. His interests were closely connected with those of the pioneers in this cause in their early labors and conflicts... Elder Haskell has had a knowledge of present truth from the beginning. He knows how to keep minds fresh, regarding the events of our history as a people, and to teach those points of faith that have been present truth to us from the rise of the message to this time... and (he) will work in harmony with the testimonies that God sends through His chosen agencies." ---E.G. White, Letter 56, 1908
@@chrischung2365 Elder Haskell also wrote: ------- THE Brahmans gave India its religion; and yet all the heathens in India are not their followers, though they are all idolaters. The Brahmans, the priests, are an educated class of people. They belong to the higher caste, and the strictness of the caste can only be appreciated by seeing its effect on the East Indian people. Brahma is regarded as the supreme being, the god of gods; of whom Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva are manifestations. Their holy books, are prized as highly by the most conscientious as the Bible is by the Christian. These three gods represent the earth, sky, and heaven. Concerning the gods, we read in one of their holy books: "All the gods are in Brahma as cows in a cow-house; in the beginning, Brahma was this universe. He created gods. Having created gods, he placed them in these worlds; viz., Agni in this world, Vayu in the atmosphere, and Surya in the sky." Therefore all kinds of graven images of wood, iron, brass, or stone, as well as nearly all kinds of animals and many trees, are worshipped as proceeding directly or indirectly from Brahma. Brahma is further described as "the invisible, imperishable Brahma; varying in form, invariable in substance; the chief principle, self-engendered; who is said to illuminate the caverns of the heart; who is invisible, radiant, undecaying, multiform. To the supreme Brahma be forever adoration." This sounds something like descriptions we have read of the holy trinity: "Without body and without parts; one in substance; the three Gods in one,-God, his Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." When the Hindoo is charged with polytheism and with violating the primary law respecting the unity of God, he replies that "Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, etc., are only manifestations of the supreme Brahma." This idea lies at the foundation of the system of worshipping an innumerable number of gods of every description in India. New gods are continually being manufactured, and saints are being canonized; so in this respect their religion changes and their gods increase. [S. N. Haskell, Bible Echo and Signs of the Times, May 15,1890, Vol. 5, No. 10, p. 153] ------- That does not sound very flattering of "the holy trinity." Haskell likened belief in the Trinity to Hindu polytheism.
Trinitarianism isnt God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Trinitarianism is father/mother/son as false deity. Please start there. This rabbit hole was made by satan. God the Father and the Son are one. The Holy Spirit is always described working independantly of the Son and Father. Our finite numeration cant comprehind a numeration to place them under. But the one absolute distinction that seperates sda's from "trinitarianism" is "the mother of heaven," which is "the mother of harlots." And that was our fundamental then, and it is our findamental now. The papacy states that mary was born emaculantly just as Jesus was. This is the heart of trinitarianism and the ancient occult.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
To those in the SDA church seeking an understanding of this subject, you will never know the multitude of falsehoods in this sermon unless you study this issue for YOURSELF and study it FROM the Bible with an OPEN HEART. As a nontrinitarian, I can tell you this sermon is riddled with falsehoods about what nontrinitarians believe. The claims made are calculated to deceive you and secure you in a belief of the false god of the trinity. If you want to know what we SDA nontrinitarians believe and why we hold to the teachings in our past history, GO TO A NONTRINITARIAN and ask. The truth needs no false pretensions to prop it up and it can bear investigation. But have confidence in this at least, that the explanations you get from a trinitarian about what nontrinitarians believe is going to be slanted at best, and a lie at worst. Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.
I don't mean to sound angry, since we all agree that the letter killeth, while a personal presence giveth life. The letter has the built-in disadvantage of causing misunderstanding and strife. So Lord please help me. The above comment is general, but pointed enough to plead with anyone with a difference of understanding that they should seek out the other side of the story. This is what courtrooms do. Would to God that the scientific and religious communities might also use evidence from the opposers on the issues of the flood and creation. This is not a thoughtless request. And on the subject of the Godhead, looking at the opposite evidence is not rejecting a counterfeit in order to keep yourself unpoisoned. It's doing as Ellen White counseled following the 1888 warzone. She said that we should counsel together and to not automatically cry error because it disagrees with our interpretation of scripture. She also said that when there's no contradiction to established doctrine that causes us to dig deeper into scripture then we're in real danger. No doubt, in my opinion, there were 12 different opinions between the 12 tribes of Israel, maybe even 13 or 14 opinions. But they stayed together for a long time. And when the split came and the northern kingdom was taken away, the southern kingdom remained deeply concerned about them. So let the sparks fly, but also let brotherly love reign
EGW's warning of the changes. “I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
adventists should based the truth based on what is in the scripture, and the testimony of Jesus Christ. To the law and the testimony of it speaks not according to the word, it is because there is no light in them! Where is the word, plain from the scriptures, that the Bible teaches the One God consists three separate divine beings? And where is the 2nd and or 3rd Bible verse(s) as a true witness to establish the truth?
Pastor Ron Kelly. I love you! Thank you so much for this sermon. I was praying about this and I believe that God has used you to answer my questions. Thanks again.
I don't know what your questions were, but this man is NOT telling the truth. Bible study and research reveal the truth and his claims do not match a "thus saith the Lord". Isaiah 8:20 applies to this man's claims.
Pastor Kelly quoted Isaiah 40:20 regarding the circle of the earth to mean the globe, but it actually fits better with a flat earth. A flat earth is a circle, a globe is just that, "a globe". If you read all of the text, it goes on to say about the heavens being stretched out as a curtain, and stretched them out as a tent to dwell in. If you think of the firmament as a covering over the (flat) earth, Isaiah 40:20 makes more sense, there is your tent to dwell in. As regards the issue of the trinity within the church, the church leaders should be willing to openly discuss it, reluctance to do so would indicate lack of proof. I believe the church leaders made a big mistake over Covide 19 and the ensuing vaccines, it would appear that they followed the scientific narrative promoted by government. I have been a member of the SDA Church for over 50 years, I am 80 years of age in good health and didn't take the vaccine. I know of people who are supposedly still getting Covid, and they have had all the vaccines. I have lost confidence in the SDA leadership, I have only a secondary education and saw right through the narrative being pushed on us. The leadership with all their high academic qualifications, fell hook line and sinker for the "plandemic". 0
Who was Evangelism compiled by? Go to the original quote and see what it says in context. Evangelism was compiled by Leroy Froome, who Ellen White, sternly rebuked and stopped his book from being published. When he side stepped and got it to be printed, the whole pronting building and his plates were destroyed....
It is the efficiency of the Holy Spirit that makes the ministry of the word effective. When Christ speaks through the minister, the Holy Spirit prepares the hearts of the listeners to receive the word. The Holy Spirit(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) is not a servant, but a controlling power. He causes the truth to shine into minds, and speaks through every discourse where the minister surrenders himself to the divine working. It is the Spirit that surrounds the soul with a holy atmosphere, and speaks to the impenitent through words of warning, pointing them to Him who takes away the sin of the world. { GW 155.2}
Ron talks as if the word “Godhead” has some numerical value to it. The word for Godhead in the Greek simply means divinity. He is saying that the pioneers including, James White, did not believe in the full divinity of Christ. He couldn’t possibly be more wrong. Let’s let James White speak. “The father is greater than the son in that he was first. The son is equal to the father in that he has inherited all things.” (I don’t remember where to find that quote. Go find it yourself!) The pioneers looked in Genesis and saw that everything brings forth “after it’s kind.” They then concluded that if Jesus was begotten of his father before time began then by the law of inheritance he would have the same Devine life as his father had. In other words, if the God’s life was “original, unborrowed and underived” then Jesus would also have the same original, unborrowed and underived life as the father, which should remind us of the words of Jesus in John 5:26. Look it up.
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES? “The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. “This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled “The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28) According to Karen Armstrong Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106). “the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason. Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”. THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY" A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT “To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities." THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit". Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3} Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE? "It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. "It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
@@JamesE-f4b what is baffling to me is how anyone who studies the Scriptures can reject the teaching of Trinity considering the many passages that speak of it. The weakest argument against it that I have heard is a reference to pagan teaching supposedly adopted by those who accept trinity. Has Satan counterfeited any teaching that is not biblical? The very fact that in many pagan religions we fingers a concept of Trinity implies counterfeit of the truth. This can be compared to believing that keeping the Sabbath is not biblical because pagans kept Sunday or having a temple in Jerusalem or even in heaven being not biblical because pagan religions have temples. Rediculous argument.
Praise the Lord. Just yesterday, we just heard a sermon about this very topic and my family said we should really study it out, and this popped up!! Praise The Lord!!!!
I would suggest that you study it by yourself like you wanted before you found this sermon. Search Fundamental Principles of SDA in 1872 . In 1905 sister White stated that those pillars should not be removed. Search words as landmarks, fundamentals, pillars, last fifty years. You will be surprised.
PERSON AND BEING ACCORDING TO EGW. Ellen White demonstrated a distinction between the words “PERSON” and “BEING.” While she speaks of three persons or personalities and powers in the Godhead, she consistently identifies “ONLY” two beings -- the Father and His Son. Thus the words “PERSON” and “BEING” have different meanings to Ellen White. She called Jesus Christ by His Spirit a “PERSON,” but she obviously did not mean a literal person which has confused some. “When trials overshadow the soul, remember the words of CHRIST, remember that HE is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit,” - (Ellen G. White, DG(Daughters of God) 185.2, 1897). So when she calls the Holy Spirit a person, she is NOT referring to another being. She is referring to Christ by HIS Holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what? (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14. Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human). Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God. ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. King James version Bible "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Berean Study Bible. "It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth. "It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh. "It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; "It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Ellen was right the Alpha was big but the Omega would be so bad that she shuttered for Gods people. Look up all the verses on God the father, Christ-Jesus-son of God, and Holy Spirit. In the KJV only. You will get the right concept of the truth.
God's Breathe/Spirit It is written??????? John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: It is written??????? Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human being). It is written??????? Job 4:9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed. It is written??????? Job 27:3 All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils; It is written??????? Job 33:4 The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. It is written??????? Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; It is written??????? Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened. It is written??????? Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. It is written??????? Psalms 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. It is written??????? Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. It is written??????? Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? It is written??????? Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. It is written??????? Isaiah 30:28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and [there shall be] a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing [them] to err. It is written??????? Isaiah 33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, [as] fire, shall devour you. It is written??????? Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: It is written??????? Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things. It is written??????? Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
So sad So sad.Hearing offshoot sda sermons as these is chilling evidence that Mrs White is correct saying protestants will reach across divide an join hands with papacy,just was not expecting the general conference sda to be with the mix. It's clear Christ's return is closer than we expect His windowing fan is in His hand. We Must be as the wise virgins not corrupted with doctrines of man ,Follow the Lamb. Traveling down the narrow difficult and hard road will soon be like walking a wire,and it is possible., All things are possible for through Christ who strengthens us
O my goodness I love Ron Kelly but I find it so sad that the most dedicated pastors are so misled on this.Please study this.I wish our pastors will listen to Nader Mansour and Dustin Butler. The sunday people is misled about the mark but with our church satan misled the church with another god he created the last 40 years. Rev 1:1, Rev22:3... there is only the Father and the Lamb on the throne because the Holy Spirit is Their Spirit.Their Spirit comforts us,leads us in truth and to ONE GOD the Father and convince us of truth. Its not another person. Evangelism wasn't written by White but by Froom who believed in the Trinity. Come back to the full thruth Laodicea.
The Comforter is called “the Spirit of truth.” His work is to define and maintain the truth. He first dwells in the heart as the Spirit of truth, and thus He becomes the Comforter. There is comfort and peace in the truth, but no real peace or comfort can be found in falsehood. It is through false theories and traditions that Satan gains his power over the mind. By directing men to false standards, he misshapes the character. Through the Scriptures the Holy Spirit speaks to the mind, and impresses truth upon the heart. Thus He exposes error, and expels it from the soul. It is by the Spirit of truth, working through the word of God, that Christ subdues His chosen people to Himself. { DA 671.1}
The Triune God is also a person, but a fictional person. Does this preacher ever state that no prophet has ever said God is a trinity in any way, shape, or form? Does he tell you this teaching comes from the Catholic Church. Should I invest my time to watch the whole series? "God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God." 8T 268.3 At first I don't know if he's pro or con. I'm leaning toward pro-catholicism, because he's joking. Joking about the omega of deadly heresy, if he knew trinitarianism is the Omega. 2. Using non-biblical arguments. 3. Too high budget. 99% of Gideon's army were idolatrous. 99.9% of Jezebel subjects worshipped Baal. 99.9% of Jerusalem drank the Kool Aid in 70 AD. What % of professing SDAs drink the Kool Aid of deadly heresy? Prov 9:6: "6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding." Eccl 7:4: "4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth."
The reason why I never had problems with the Trinity is this: We can worship only God, and we can Idolise a created being. Knowing my sinful nature, I do not dare mix or even cathegorize Divinity with what is created.
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says. Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ? Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God is Three in one and one in three, they insist. Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures. Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power. Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. About a total of 45 verses in N.T. The rest of the statements are not found at all. God the Son = 0 But = The Son of God about 71 times. God the Spirit = 0 Spirit of God = about 105 times Spirit Definition American Heritage Dictionary: "Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings." So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form. Scriptures does NOT reveal that the Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
EGW's warning of the changes. “I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915 "It is written???????" Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. "It is written???????" Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart(Mind) is far from me. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. "It is written???????" 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry It is written??????? 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.” "It is written???????" 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. "It is written???????" John 14:15 If ye love me, keep(OBEY) my commandments. (I wonder why Jesus use the word "IF")(SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME) 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth(obeys)them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. "It is written" John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 15:10 If ye keep(obey) my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept(obeyed) my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Christ's condition of having a connection with Him. "At that day," said Christ, "ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you." Christ sought to impress the minds of the disciples with the distinction between those who are of the world, and those who are of Christ. He was about to die, but He would imprint on their minds the fact that He would live again. And although after His ascension He would be absent from them, yet by faith they might know and see Him. And He would have the same loving interest in them that He ever had. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 7} Christ assured His disciples that after His resurrection, He would show Himself alive to them. Then every mist of doubt, every cloud of darkness, would be rolled away. They would then understand that which they had not understood,-that there is a complete union between Christ and His Father, a union which will always exist. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 8} "He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." Again Christ repeated the condition of union with Him. This promise is made to every sincere Christian. Our Saviour speaks so plainly that no one need fail to understand that true love will always produce obedience. The religion of Jesus Christ is love. Obedience is the sign of true love. Christ and the Father are one, and those who in truth receive Christ, will love God as the great centre of their adoration, and will also love one another. Mrs. E. G. White. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 9} "It is written???????" John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep(obey) my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. "It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. "It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. "It is written???????" 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. "It is written???????" Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. False doctrine or ideas is an idol, "trinity/godhead", "Christ's mass", and "Halloween"? ETC? IDOLATRY. In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists-the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions-is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia. {DD 29.1} No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God. {LHU 143.4}
The Charm of New Theories Every phase of fanaticism and erroneous theories, claiming to be the truth, will be brought in among the remnant people of God. These will fill minds with erroneous sentiments which have no part in the truth for this time. Any man who supposes that in the strength of his own devised resolutions, in his intellectual might united with science or supposed knowledge, he can start a work which will conquer the world, will find himself lying among the ruins of his own speculations, and will plainly understand why he is there. . . . {2SM 14.2} From the light given me of the Lord, men will arise speaking perverse things. Yea, already they have been working and speaking things which God has never revealed, bringing sacred truth upon a level with common things. Issues have been and will continue to be made of men's conceited fallacies, not of truth. The devisings of men's minds will invent tests that are no tests at all, that when the true test shall be made prominent, it shall be considered on a par with the man-made tests that have 15 been of no value. We may expect that everything will be brought in and mingled with sound doctrine, but by clear, spiritual discernment, by the heavenly anointing, we must distinguish the sacred from the common which is being brought in to confuse faith and sound judgment, and demerit the great, grand, testing truth for this time. . . . {2SM 14.3} Never, never was there a time when the truth suffered more from being misrepresented, belittled, demerited through the perverse disputings of men than in these last days. Men have brought themselves in with their heterogeneous mass of heresies which they represent as oracles for the people. The people are charmed with some strange new thing, and are not wise in experience to discern the character of ideas that men may frame up as something. But to call it something of great consequence and tie it to the oracles of God, does not make it truth. Oh, how this rebukes the low standard of piety in the churches. {2SM 15.1} Men who want to present something original will conjure up things new and strange, and without consideration will step forward on these unstable theories, that have been woven together as a precious theory, and present it as a life and death question.--Letter 136a, 1898. {2SM 15.2}
When I watch in 2x speed it interestingni know they are trained to jump all over the stage because if it's not slightly entertaining the people will fall asleep, but when I'm watching my mind goes to Elijah's calm on mount Carmel as opposed to the 400 that jumped around trying to prove who had the truth.
POPULAR ARGUMENTS FOR THE TRINITY ADDRESSED The Bible teaches that there are three powers in heaven: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But it did not say that together, they are the one true God, or that they are co-equal. The concept of God as a Trinity has been prevalent in pagan religions and cultures but entirely absent from the religion of ancient Israel, the apostolic religion and even the religion of later pioneers such as James White, Joseph Bates, J. N. Andrews, J. N. Loughborough, J. H. Waggoner, and others. The Seventh-day Adventist church requires that persons wishing to become members make a vow to believe in "one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” whereas the Bible does not explicitly teach that. The previous vow that persons took prior to 1980 was belief in "God the Father, in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit", which the Bible clearly teaches. The church has not allowed views like those of the pioneers to be expressed in the church and has disfellowshipped or sidelined those who hold similar beliefs as the pioneers on this matter. The church then accuses those very persons whom they forced out of the church and who then operate outside of the church, of causing division or calling people out of the church. Is that fair? Or is it a repeat of Ahab’s accusation against Elijah? A few of the popular arguments for the Trinity are now addressed below. 1. Assertion: SDA pioneers only objected to the Catholic version of the Trinity. Response: The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism fully understood the doctrine of the Trinity and rejected it as error. Later, some persons such as John Harvey Kellogg and S. N. Haskel spoke favourably of the Trinity but earlier pioneers who Ellen White described as laying the foundations of our faith consistently objected to the Trinity. There is a common definition of the Trinity that is shared by all Trinitarians, whether Catholic or otherwise, even though explained differently by various bodies. This definition as given in the dictionary is that the one God of scripture is three co-equal persons. The SDA Church expresses its trinitarian belief that “There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” (SDA Fundamental Beliefs number 2). The definition of who is Catholic, as given in the Edict of Thessalonica expresses the same idea as follows: “let us believe in the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics” (Edict of Thessalonica issued 380 AD). This definition of who is Catholic and who is heretic was used as the basis for persecuting God’s people during the dark ages and continues to define what is considered Christian orthodoxy by the World Council of Churches (WCC). The Basis of the WCC speaks of “one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Basis of the WCC, adopted by the Third Assembly (New Delhi 1961). The Bible teaches otherwise, as Jesus, in praying, stated that the one true God is His Father - “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3). 2. Assertion: The Hebrew word for “one” that describes God really means “united”. Response: The Bible says that God is one (echad). The word echad is the first counting number in Hebrew, as with the numeral one. In other places of the Bible God is described using similar words such as “only” (quoted above in Jesus’s prayer), “none else”, “no other”, “He”, “none like me”. The Jews themselves, in whose language the word echad is used to describe God, understood it to mean one individual. The one God (one supreme Being) of the Bible is Jesus’s Father - “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” (Eph. 3:14, 15). The Father has no co-equals. He is “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see” (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). There aren’t three supreme beings, only One. All other beings are subject to Him. Another word that Trinitarians appeal to is Elohim, where God (Elohim) said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Gen. 1:26). They assume that God (Elohim) is three persons. The Bible does not say that. Ellen White explains, “I saw that when God said to his SON, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of JESUS.” (Ellen G. White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 1, pp. 17, 18). God (the Father of Christ) was speaking to His Son only. His Son is “the express image of His person” (Heb. 1:3). Ellen White speaks again explicitly in the following words: “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate - a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes”. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father - one in nature, in character, in purpose - the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” (E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34). 3. Assertion: Jesus is co-equal with the Father Response: Jesus never claimed full equality with God, His Father, at any point in His existence. Before He came to earth, His Father anointed and appointed Him - “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9; see also verse 2). While He was on earth, He said “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). After sin is finished, He will still be subject to His Father - “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:28). 4. Assertion: The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father Response: The Bible does not speak anywhere of a third God-Being who has the image or likeness of God or “the similitude of God.” (James 3:9). There is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18, the Comforter carries out a work of worldwide extent and is aided by other heavenly beings. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). The language of John 14-16 speaks of someone whom Jesus would ask the Father to send. That Person would not speak of himself but would speak only what He hears and would bring back to the minds of the disciples the things that Jesus would have told them - “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” (John 16:13). The three powers of heaven are God, Christ, and angels. There are many such references; for example: “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things” (1 Tim. 5:21). These are the same ones who were present at the creation - “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? …. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7). Again, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne” (Rev.1:4). These seven spirits are later described as “seven lamps of fire” (Rev. 4:5) and as “the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:2). This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere. 5. Assertion: Ellen White led the church into a Trinitarian understanding of God. Response: Ellen White never used the term Trinity to describe God. She spoke of three persons of the godhead, which is consistent with the view expressed here that the Holy Spirit is a person, just not someone co-equal with God or to be worshipped. Regarding Ellen White’s statement that “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived” (Desire of Ages, p. 530), the full statement shows that it is not Jesus Himself that is being described, but rather, life - which Jesus has and is able to impart. Here is the full statement as it was originally published in Signs of the Times: “In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ.” (The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897; also Selected Messages, vol. 1, pp. 296, 297). Being described is the nature and quality of this life and not the origin of it. Original - not a pattern or copy, but something genuine, authentic. Unborrowed - does not have to be returned. Underived - not being drawn from a source; He has it in Himself. How He came in possession of it? It was given to Him by His Father. Jesus said: “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26). The Trinity denies the most fundamental truth of the gospel that God loved us to the point of giving His only begotten Son to die for us (John 3:16). It was not an eternal God who cannot die, but the literal Son of God who did die and was raised from the dead by His Father (Gal.1:1).
As far as assertion 3 is concerned: It was to save the transgressor from ruin that He who was coequal with God offered up His life on Calvary.... FH 110.3
@@chrischung2365What is your point - reject Jesus's own words and accept a particular impression obtained from an EGW statement, without even an analysis of what she might have meant?
The Third Person of the Godhead. The Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ. Is it another personal being? How is this knowledge important in overcoming sin? "The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of man to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fulness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." ~RH May 19, 1904, par. 3
Why would a Pastor in leading out his sermon, quote profusely from sources such as independent and USA Today? It is almost as if they were some sort of modern translations of our Holy Bible. Would not the congregation be edified and blessed with many a 'thus saith the LORD' texts from the Holy writ? Throughout his 56 minute oration I did not see one Bible passage posted on screen for us to read and give proof to the contentious topic that was presented. How is this even fair to the audience?
I'm with you 100%. Having studied Hebrew and Greek for over six years, and knowing that our pastors also study these Biblical languages and should know better, the things I'm seeing in our church today bring literal heartache. I want to think that the pastors are just forgetful of their lessons, and ignorant. But it beggars belief. I don't want to think they would intentionally be feeding God's people lies. Why would they do this? The Bible is so clear. The Father is the only true God (John 17:3), and was Jesus' God as well as ours (John 20:17).
@@MongRay-n8ithey have been brainwashed with the ‘history’ that they were taught about how ‘few’ of the pioneers believed in the personality of God as they did, and not in the 3 in 1 God, this was noted to be unanimous for well over 50 years and past EGW death,… (evidence for this in the recorded 1919 meeting) and she refers to this belief as a pillar and also refers to this being part of what makes “us part of who we are”, beliefs they held “for the last 50 years” … but if you call it a conspiracy… well then I guess no one needs to look further or be shamed 🙄🙄🙄
It is strange that many of us wait for others to speak so we can cannibalise them. Each of us ought to study. The best argument is to share your study as a counter. Shut up if you cant share your study
I've posted my studies to a website. They are extensive. But YT won't allow links--too bad...another conspiracy, perhaps? The Bible tells us that conspiracies are real. We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says. Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ? Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. God is Three in one and one in three, they insist. Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures. Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him. 1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power. Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. About a total of 45 verses in N.T. The rest of the statements are not found at all. God the Son = 0 But = The Son of God about 71 times. God the Spirit = 0 Spirit of God = about 105 times Spirit Definition American Heritage Dictionary: "Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings." So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form. Scriptures does NOT reveal that the Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
Newme. If I may suggest John 17: 11says as we are one. " WE" can mean any number. The context for R.Kellys quote could be chap 16 and the work of the Holy Spirit Jesus promised to send after His ascencsion. All heaven is working together for our salvation from sin and Satans power . The Father sent Jesus to die in our place. When His work was finished here on earth Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to take His place on earth in teaching and guiding people back to Jesus to be reconciled baxk to the Father . Hope I have been helpful.
Pagan Trinity 1. God 2. God 3. God … at some point in time, transitioned into… 1. God the Father 2. God the Son 3. God the Holy Spirit You cannot find this role-playing concept to be taught anywhere in the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy. With this concept, a person might think that there are three supreme gods ruling the universe. We call this concept Tritheism or Polytheism. ONE TRUE GOD Doctrine Of The BIBLE Using Biblical terminology, it is clear that there is ONLY ONE GOD, and this ONE GOD is the GOD THE FATHER. JESUS CHRIST is the SON OF GOD and the SPIRIT is the SPIRIT OF GOD THE FATHER. The GODHEAD according to the Bible. 1. God the Father 2. Son of God 3. Spirit of God The Bible reveals that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD (Deuteronomy 4:35 / Deuteronomy 6:4 / Ps 83:18 / Isa 42:8 / Isa 45:5-6 / Jeremiah 10:10 / Mal. 2:10 / Gal 3:20). The Bible also reveals that GOD The Father, is the one and only TRUE GOD. (John 17:1, 3 / John 20:17 / 1 Corinthians 8:6 / Ephesians 3:14) GOD the Father is the source of all things (1 Cor 8:6 / John 6:57 / Acts 17:25 / Acts 17:28 / John 5:26 / John 5:21 / Eph 2:4-6 / Ephesians 3:14) Jesus Christ, the Son of God is truly God and is NOT a created being (John 1:1-3; Romans 9:5). Bible Teaches That Jesus is Pre-Existed Before The World Was (John 1:1 / John 1:3 / John 17:3-5) Jesus Identifies Himself as Divine (John 8:13 / John 8:24 / John 8:25 / John 8:58 / Isaiah 41:4; 43:10-13, 25; 46:4; 48:12; cf. John 13:19 / John 18:6 / John 5:18; 10:33). The Bible reveals the Holy Spirit as follows: The Spirit is the breath of God, His spoken word and the creative, life-giving power. (Genesis 2:7 / Psalms 33:6 / Psalms 33:9 / Job 26:12-13 / Job 33:4 / John 20:22 / John 6:63 ) Holy Spirit is the omnipresence of God; it is His own Spirit. (Psalm 33:13-14 / Psalms 51:11 / Psalms 139: 7-10 / Jeremiah 23:23, 24) The Holy spirit is also the life and presence of Jesus and not another, separate god. ( John 14:18 / John 14:20 / Acts 3:19-20 Romans 8:10 / Galatians 2:20 / 2 Corinthians 3:17 / 2 Corinthians 13:5 Ephesians 3:17-19 / 1 John 4:13 Philippians 1:19 / Colossians 1:27/ 1 Peter 1:11/ 1 John 3:24 / Revelation 3:20). ADVENTIST PIONEERS CAME FROM TRINITARIAN CHURCHES AND THEY CAME OUT AND REJECTED TRINITY DOCTRINE. In 1980, Adventist Church brought in the trinity doctrine into the church. They took the Adventist name but changed the doctrine of the Pioneers
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES? “The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. “This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled “The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28) According to Karen Armstrong Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106). “the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason. Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”. THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY" A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT “To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities." THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit". Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3} Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE? "It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. "It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Arians are Jehovah's witnesses? So? why are caveats, about non SDA's will be in heaven, from these so called pastors of the SDA corporation calling themselves "church". Why did the Roman Catholic corporation that call themselves church, wiped out all those Arians? the three horns out of the ten? Do you people really know what Arius? was asserting? Don't just listen to some Jesuit seminary educated SDA, leader, pastor, etc.
Do you know what names and labels were given to the early apostolic church in the book of Acts for their belief and teachings that the resurrected Jesus was the Christ, the literal begotten Son of the Living God?
EGW's warning of the changes. “I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
Holy Spirit is none other than Jesus Christ himself divested of his personality of humanity; so it is Jesus but without his humanity, and not a third separate divine being called the God the spirit..that’s why Jesus says is John 14:18, I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you….
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what?
(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14.
Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)
The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human).
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God.
ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James version Bible
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Berean Study Bible.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth.
"It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh.
"It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost.
@@bredsfoodsltd1529 Please do your homework and find out that this is an added text, known as 'Comma Johanneum'. Even the SDA church Bible Commentary and SDA Bible Research Institute tell you not use this text. How sad that the vast majority don't think for themselves and study the Scriptures, but rather rely on their leaders who are leading them down the path to perdition.
@@bredsfoodsltd1529 Are you a Roman Catholic SDA?
Trinity/godhead baptismal vow.(one against eleven)
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Baptized unto Jesus?
"It is written???????" Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
"It is written???????" Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
"It is written???????" Acts 8:16 “For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
"It is written???????" Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
"It is written???????" Acts 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
"It is written???????" Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
"It is written???????" Roman 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
"It is written???????" Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 1:13 “Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” [Implied]
"It is written???????" Colosians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
"It is written???????" Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.-Evangelism, 615.
“But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ”
Matthew 15:9 KJV
GODHEAD SAID THE PROPHET.
Fear God and give glory to HIM...
Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor.
Those who claim to be identified with the message that God has given us should have keen, clear spiritual perceptions, that they may distinguish truth from error. The word spoken by the messenger of God is “Wake up the watchmen.” If men will discern the spirit of the messages given and strive to find out from what source they come, the Lord God of Israel will guard them from being led astray.-Manuscript Release 760:9, 10.
And we have to allow EGW to define what the landmarks are, and not just men preaching here and there...
The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also]
>> the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."
>>>One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God.
>>> The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law.
>>> The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark.
>> I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all IMAGINARY. 1888 518.2
So the truth of the Eternal existence of the Word that was made flesh, is not part of the landmarks.
@LatterRainPower Exactly! Since God was giving the pioneers great light, which laid the foundation of the SDA church, if their belief in the One true God and His dear divine Son was incorrect, God would have corrected the error. But He didn't because they had it right. The old landmarks that were established after the passing of the time in 1844 opened the pioneers' eyes to new light. No new light was needed on the understanding of who God and His Son are. Hence, no new light was given on this subject.
@dawnetteb8657
Sorry, but I disagree.
Nowhere in the list that she gave the quote that I shared, she mentioned anything about the Sonship of Christ, WHATSOEVER.
Read the quote again.
It is an invented point to further people's theology, which, in the late 1890s, clearly showed a shift in the understanding of the Eternal Godhead, as Three Distinct Erernal Beings.
EGW's warning of the changes.
“I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
@@JamesE-f4b
And what are these supposed changes?
As the SOP says:
The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency. . 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
SHE SAID THEY ARE THREE DISTINCT BEINGS. CARE TO ELABORATE?
@@pacs0508 Scriptural evidence?
It is so clear about the Holy Spirit as part of the God head. The Holy Spirit is the One who seals us. We should take Jesus word for it. Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit!
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what?
(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14.
Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)
The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human).
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God.
ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James version Bible
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Berean Study Bible.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth.
"It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh.
"It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
This concept was established in 325 AD at the first Council of Nicaea. It was Constantine who decided what the world church at the time would believe, "regard Jesus as divine and co-eternal with God the Father". No human on this plant is omniscient. STUDY TO SHOW Y O U R S E L F approved unto Jehovah.
@@vegancookingwithpamandcaro1884 EGW's warning of the changes.
“I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
"It is written???????" Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
"It is written???????" Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart(Mind) is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
"It is written???????" 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry
It is written??????? 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
"It is written???????" 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
"It is written???????" John 14:15 If ye love me, keep(OBEY) my commandments. (I wonder why Jesus use the word "IF")(SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME)
14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth(obeys)them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
"It is written" John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
15:10 If ye keep(obey) my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept(obeyed) my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Christ's condition of having a connection with Him.
"At that day," said Christ, "ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you." Christ sought to impress the minds of the disciples with the distinction between those who are of the world, and those who are of Christ. He was about to die, but He would imprint on their minds the fact that He would live again. And although after His ascension He would be absent from them, yet by faith they might know and see Him. And He would have the same loving interest in them that He ever had. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 7}
Christ assured His disciples that after His resurrection, He would show Himself alive to them. Then every mist of doubt, every cloud of darkness, would be rolled away. They would then understand that which they had not understood,-that there is a complete union between Christ and His Father, a union which will always exist. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 8}
"He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." Again Christ repeated the condition of union with Him. This promise is made to every sincere Christian. Our Saviour speaks so plainly that no one need fail to understand that true love will always produce obedience. The religion of Jesus Christ is love. Obedience is the sign of true love. Christ and the Father are one, and those who in truth receive Christ, will love God as the great centre of their adoration, and will also love one another. Mrs. E. G. White. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 9}
"It is written???????" John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep(obey) my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
"It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
"It is written???????" 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
"It is written???????" Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
False doctrine or ideas is an idol, "trinity/godhead", "Christ's mass", and "Halloween"? ETC? IDOLATRY.
In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists-the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions-is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia. {DD 29.1}
No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God. {LHU 143.4}
@@vegancookingwithpamandcaro1884THE GODHEAD IS THE ANSWER.
THE GODHEAD IS THE ANSWER. GO WITH THE PROPHET. STOP GOING AROUND IN A DEMONIC CIRCLE WITH ONE ERROR AFTER ANOTHER.
Hebrews 11:6 will answer this, to all the read the bible and study diligently the truth will be shown clearly. Have we disregarded the pilars of our faith?
This man has disregarded them. Listening to him reminds me of LeRoy Froom.
Sorry pastor Ron 😢I am praying to the Lord to open your
Eyes and mind to see and Preach the truth ❤
The 3 Person of Godhead:
1. Jude 1:20-21;
2. Titus 3:5-7;
3. 2 Corinthians 13:14;
4. 1 Peter 1:2
5. Romans 15:30.
Holy Holy, Holy is
1. the Father,
2. the Son [Luke 1:35];
3. the Holy Spirit,
in Isaiah 6:3 and
Revelation 4:8.
❤
Pastor Kelly is so well balanced that I can no longer, with a clear conscience, classify him as a conservative.
The term "God the Holy Spirit" is a _spiritualistic_ expression. Compare to 1 Corinthians 5:3-5 where Paul speaks of his spirit as being present in Corinth while he was physically absent (in Ephesus, according to Ellen White). If we separate "Paul the Spirit" from "Paul the Man," we are claiming that Paul's spirit is a separate entity from Paul himself, and has its own existence apart from him. This is the essence of spiritualism, which is defined as: "the doctrine that the spirit exists as distinct from matter, or that spirit is the only reality." The Bible never speaks of "God the Spirit." It says "spirit of God." There is a difference. One is spiritualistic, the other is truth.
@@MongRay-n8i imagine Uriah Smith as head editor approving what you call “spiritualism” to be fed to the flock in the following statement:
Preceding this beginning, there must have been, according to Rom. 16: 25, R. V., ‘ times eternal,’ when there were no worlds, no created being, not even an angel; in fact, there were only three beings-God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ; these three persons in the Godhead.” . Phelps, Review and Herald, Vol. 78, No. 1, January 1, 1901
Why did not a single pioneer oppose “God the Holy Spirit” when openly published in our leading periodical? The same goes for “God the Son” which non trinitarians have been deceived into believing was inimical to pioneer belief:
Now,
The Importance of Studying all the Prophecies
D. T. Bourdeau
Review and Herald - May 21, 1889
God the Father and God the Son will ever be the great teachers of all the immortal intelligences of the universe, who will ever delight to learn of God and the Lamb, from the character and incommensurable attributes of divinity as reflected by the Saviour, from nature, and from Revelation.
The Mind of Christ
James White
Review and Herald - January 4, 1881
2. In creation, and in the institution of law, the Son was equal with the Father. In the beginning, before the fall, God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Gen. 1:26. Compare with this statement, words that are found in one of the gospels: "In the beginning was the Word [Christ], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. It was God the Father that said to God the Son, "Let us make man."
The Extent and Purpose of the Third Angel's Message
A. T. Jones
Signs of the Times - September 30, 1886
The Third Angel's Message embraces Sinai and Calvary; the law of God and the gospel of Christ; God the Father and God the Son; and when this message ends the work of God for the salvation of men-the mystery of God-will be finished.
Be a Berean or be deceived.
Amen
You are absolutely correct. Scripture is silent about a spiritual being called God the Holy Spirit. Read also Genesis 1:2
The 3 Person of Godhead:
1. Jude 1:20-21;
2. Titus 3:5-7;
3. 2 Corinthians 13:14;
4. 1 Peter 1:2
5. Romans 15:30.
Holy Holy, Holy is
1. the Father,
2. the Son [Luke 1:35];
3. the Holy Spirit,
in Isaiah 6:3 and
Revelation 4:8.
❤
@@pensamientosdepazpalabrasd4967 Let's consider one of your verses: 2 Corinthians 13:14, which says "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen." (KJV).
It mentions "Lord", "God", and "spirit" (KJV: "Ghost") all in the same verse, right? But did you know that the terms "Lord" and "God" are not synonymous? Consider the following two texts:
Mat. 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Rom. 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Christ is "Lord" of the dead, but God is NOT "God" of the dead. The two terms are distinct from each other, and cannot mean the same thing. If Lord=God, the Bible would contradict itself.
Yes, Jesus and his Father are two separate beings. They each have their own persons. One is God, one is God's Son--our Lord. The holy spirit is their sweet spirit, their divine influence, that is our comforter. The Bible identifies this spirit in 1 John 2:1 as being that of Jesus Christ--unfortunately translated as "advocate" instead of "Comforter" as it was translated in every other place. Check the Greek.
Have always had great respect and hope for this village SDA and their ministry
We will be praying God's will to be done.
Same here. I'm so disappointed. God have mercy. Giants are falling.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3
May the Spirit of God give clarity.
Revelation clearly speaks of TWO THRONES, not three.
I don't understand so much of this. Scripture seems clear there is one God, one son Jesus and the representative spirit of Jesus is The Holy Spirit. SDA pastors, leaders practicing speaking in tongues of gibberish, spiritual formation, contemplative prayer...Jesuit foundations last two. Now past doctrine and beliefs are wrong....so is it possible current new trends will be wrong/false.
"Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son....Yet Christ, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created...Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone."
The Story of Redemption, Ch#1 Paragraph #1
...
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:12-14
@@scottwakefield9741 I also believe the scriptures are CLEAR.
ONE God, One Son of God, THEIR Spirit.
I don't know why so many pastors are taking SO many words (and theatrics) in attempt to convince people to disbelieve what is so clear in Scripture.
May God continue to lead His people to all truth 💕
@@MsSmilest it’s important to rightly divide the word. Note inspiration also says this:
You left your friends and comfortable home, and came to teach me how to find Jesus, and believe in Him as the only true God. ChS 274.1
Chapter 73-“Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled”
This chapter is based on John 13:31-38; John 14; John 15; John 16; John 17. Desire of Ages 1898
Before this the Spirit had been in the world; from the very beginning of the work of redemption He had been moving upon men’s hearts(mind). But while Christ was on earth, the disciples had desired no other helper. Not until they were deprived of His presence would they feel their need of the Spirit, and then He would come. { DA 669.1}
The Holy Spirit (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)is Christ’s representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. { DA 669.2}
Thanks for sharing. Profound statement
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8
Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
@@harley6394-h3f It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what?
(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14.
Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)
The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human).
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God.
ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James version Bible
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Berean Study Bible.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth.
"It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh.
"It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
@@JamesE-f4b Act 8-29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 10-19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 13-2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
In these verses, it is evident that the Holy Spirit is speaking Himself. There is no evidence in these verses that anyone is speaking through Him.
The Holy Spirit is very much a Person
Matthew 12-32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The 3 Person of Godhead:
1. Jude 1:20-21;
2. Titus 3:5-7;
3. 2 Corinthians 13:14;
4. 1 Peter 1:2
5. Romans 15:30.
Holy Holy, Holy is
1. the Father,
2. the Son [Luke 1:35];
3. the Holy Spirit,
in Isaiah 6:3 and
Revelation 4:8.
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OUR PIONEERS BELIEVED IN THE FULL DIVINITY OF CHRIST. FOLKS STUDY, STUDY OUR HISTORY YOURSELF AND DON'T LET A MINISTER TWIST IT FOR YOU.
Amen! “There are three that testify in heaven, Father, Son and Holy Spirit”! 🙏🙏🙏
What is their testimony, if you could clarify that to me?
@@soulpraisemediathat Jesús is the son of God
But according to BRI and SDA Bible Commentary 1 John 5:7 cannot be used to prove the Trinity doctrine because it was not in the original manuscripts. Their own trinitarian theologians recognized that.
Must be a pagan.
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Pastor Ron Kelly voices that John chapter 17 asserts that Christ's prays,
'Let this church, being his disciples, be one, as the Father and the Spirit and the Son are one.'
And yet... when we read the whole of the chapter? The Spirit of God is not even spoken of once.
“It will take your mind, to a dishonest Trinitarian outer space”
@@pilgrimsprogress6797 I didn't think he would present such an oxymoron. False news isn't good but falsifying scriptures is worse.
@@Cryaloud True, and imho not being a good friend either by making fun of his age and beliefs publicly.
Pr Ron misquoted John 17, he needs prayers
@@canadiancontrarian3668 TY for posting. I just re-read Jn 17.
So many TRUTHS.
"John 17:21 KJV - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
"Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son....Yet Christ, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created...Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone."
The Story of Redemption, Ch#1 Paragraph #1
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"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit ALSO upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:12-14
The Story Of Redemption was published in 1947. IT IS NOT a book written by E. G. White, but was from books she authored and those she never authored. Please read the actual Redemption Series Volumes 1 - 8. These she actually authored and James White published. They are really , really good. I'm just finishing #8 in the Series. This is my 3rd time reading in the 15 years I've had them. Still find new and exiting truths within them.
@@user-fe6km7gw8m That's fine.
Search the Fall of Lucifer in Early Writings. Copyright 1882
But, more importantly - Search The Scriptures....for in them ye find eternal life.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3
@@user-fe6km7gw8mthank you for this information, I think it is vital to be able to see fully the way it was meant to be read as she wrote them, the compilations can be read/taken out of context perhaps not purposefully but because people seriously do not read as they did when she had written those volumes … and so shortened up there is sometimes lost what the author was actually saying.
@@user-fe6km7gw8m Also the Spirit of Prophecy vols 1-4 is authored by Ellen White in the year 1870.
The Story Redemption has many small changes for example SOP vol 1 says “Satan” and Story Redemption changes to “Lucifer”
For example the name “Jesus” they changed his name to “Christ” .
SOP vol 1: “yet Jesus, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host.” pg 18
SOR: “yet *Christ* , God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host.” pg 13
The compilations allow us to read information from documents we do not have.
Each paragraph is noted as to its origin.
I am not sure where this is referenced, but I remember the jest of it...
"Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne. They did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and pray, My Father give us thy spirit. Then Satan would breathe on them an unholy influence."
I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you.john 14:18
2 Corinthians 5:19, God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8
Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
And Jesus did as He said. Read this verse very carefully.
Rev 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Wrong, the pioneers believed Jesus received His full divinity from the Father, the Son is the Heir of the Father, Jesus has the life of the Father in Him, the fulness of divinity dwells in Him. He was equal with the Father because the Father made Him so. The Father is greater because he is the source, Jesus is the channel, and he receieved everything from Him. We behold the Son to be sons and daughters and His spirit in us says Abba! The Son of God is begotten not created. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God and Christ, the life, the mind, the presence of them both.
Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. " 10LtMs, Lt 119, 1895, par. 18
Jesus is coming to us , not other person
All I have to say is bashing a people for analyzing the world around them and formulating an opinion based on the facts around them is not going to win them over to God. Secondly, Noah was a "conspiracy theorist" till it started to rain. Lastly stating Satan's lies as conspiracies is disingenuous. Call them for what they were, lies, no merroit in them.
As Adventists, we should be ahead of the pack of conspiracy theorists! Not that all claims of conspiracy are true, but our knowing that deception is the name of the game at the end, how in the world can we join with the mainline media? Have we become dogs that cannot bark? Who's going to blow the trumpet when the conspirators finally come out in the light of day. Unless there's a big turnaround, it won't be by pastor Ron. (I'm not a flat-earther.) We know, or should know, that the vile king of the north "by peace destroys many". He always flattered and then rose up and conquered the flattered people, kind of like Hitler laughing off an attack on Poland while he piled up his military on Poland's border. They were waltzing the night away when Hitler came down in short order taking over. Poor Polish people trusted him! How could he??!! I'm flabbergasted that whistle blowing SDAs are now called disingenuous by a renowned pastor. Isn't that any different from Ahab calling Elijah a troubler of the people? Especially when we know that there will be a fierce conflict when the papacy is ready to get back ALL its former glory and absolute power. If SDAs won't be crying out, the secular community will do it for us. And how will we do in judgment day at the court that has no appeal?
This message was given in a sda church for sda ppl. What can you expect? A watered-down message? There is a time and place, and the message is crafted for that particular time and place.
I am an Adventist and most of his sermons are not watered down. But this one was disingenuous. And most of the sermons from my church are not for the faint of heart.
th-cam.com/users/shortsFzN_wD5nnQM?si=5SsujFfjF3hD-9v- case and point.
Amen
Jesus was not distracted by the falsehood around him, he keep his mind and eyes straight on his Father, no lies and attacks could get his attention in the negative way..
Praise God again and again.
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Pastor Ron Kelly states that 'James White did not believe in the full divinity of Christ'...
I am not aware of any such assertion by our first conference president, James White.
Could Pastor Kelly please provide the reference or quote?
From my readings of our church history, I have found the complete inverse.
Such as...
"We do not deny the divinity of Christ...We believe him to be the divine person addressed by Jehovah by his own words, 'Let us make man'.
He was with the Father before the world was... We have not as much sympathy with Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ, as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the Father, and talk so mistily about the three- one god. Give the Master all the divinity with which the Holy Scriptures clothe Him." RH, June 6, 1871, page 196, Western Tour.
Conditioning the human mind for perdition, is the objective.
Brorher John Byington was the first president. Because of this mistake, i question the rest of your surmisings. But obviously, Brother White's beliefs changed over time, as mine and most people on earth as they are presented with new information.
@@1-John-2.4-3.3 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
"It is written???????" John 14:15 If ye love me, keep(OBEY) my commandments. (I wonder why Jesus use the word "IF")(SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME)
14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth(obeys)them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
"It is written" John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
15:10 If ye keep(obey) my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept(obeyed) my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
"It is written???????" John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep(obey) my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
"It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
1John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
"It is written???????" Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
When you are talking about the divinity of this Christ, you are referring to? Which time period of his existence are you referring to? Is it before or after becoming human? If during his humanity? what kind of the divine nature attribute is the real 100% human Christ I ascribe, possess? "Partakers of the divine nature"? Can a human partake of the divine nature? or not. What does the God, I ascribe to, say? through HIS messengers/prophets? especially the last one.
@@JamesE-f4b That was a statement of James White.
I'm keeping you Pastor Kelly and this ministry in my prayers. God bless you always and all the rest of our leaders who are standing and form and strong for our faith.
Praying for unity, for the wisdom and discernment God has promised. We will be victorious the only living God is with us ! His Son our redeemer and Savior is interceding in our behalf as the Holy Spirit is convicting our hearts to get ready for the sealing of the almighty King of the Universe…. We must diligently prepare 🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what?
(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14.
Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)
The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human).
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God.
ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James version Bible
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Berean Study Bible.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth.
"It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh.
"It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
@@JamesE-f4b Amen!
"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree; and ministers who are handling sacred things are guilty of sin in this respect. They are coveting their neighbors’ wives, and the seventh commandment is broken. We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird; and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?" {TSB 188.3}
“There is hope in one direction. Take the young men and women and place them where they will come as little as possible in contact with our churches, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian.” The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters (1985), Page 344
“When a church proves unfaithful to the word of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them.” Manuscript Releases, Vol. 14 [Nos. 1081 - 1135], page 102
“If the church of God becomes lukewarm, it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.” Manuscript Releases, Vol. 19, page 176
I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant. EW 261.1
At that day ye shall know that I am in the father and ye in me ,and I in you. St john 14:20
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
“16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. ”
John 14:16-18 KJV
Who is the spirit of truth?
Who is the 'I will come to you'?
Amen amen amen!
If you want to know the truth about God please read "Christ and His Righteousness" by E.J. Waggoner. It is the message that God inspired him to give in 1888. And it makes this topic very clear! May we come in prayer to God, with a humble and teachable spirit. Being willing to follow the truth wherever it leads. AMEN
16:31 There is no “conspiracy theories “when our own history condemns us.
I wish it were only a theory and not a FACT
“3 And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain. 5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. 6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations. 7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. 10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up. 12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them. ”
Ezekiel 8:3-18 KJV
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We need to be a David and be indignant that someone would speak evil against our God and church’s beliefs. Hold our head high and march on.
So very correct.
Evil has been spoken of against our 1872/ 1889 Fundamental principles.
We as watchmen on the wall are to guard the original pillars...Right?
Oh my, Ron. If what you say is true, then when EGW said, in 1896, that we have the truth, she was wrong. And at the same time, the Roman church and her daughters had the truth and we we’re saying that they were wrong about the trinity. One of the jobs of a prophet is to correct the church. If what you are saying is true then she was unable to correct her own husband and unable to correct the church. I’m the Desire of Ages she says that “while Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, he is still by his spirit the minister of the church on earth.”
The RCC's version of the Trinity is not the same as the SDA's version. The RCC believes there is only one God who manifests Himself in three ways where as we believe there is three distinct Gods, the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit who are one in purpose, plan, & action.
@@moelight3847the trinity is all the same … 3 gods in 1
Bible preaches one God 🌹
@@lucianacleaningservices2229Ellen White teaches Godhead. It's the PROPHET for me.
Thank God for sharing this Bible truth about the Trinity! 🙏✝️🙏
Did you hear about John 17? What verse points to the trinity in John 17? Where else in the bible to we learn that God is made up of three personal beings?
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES?
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
“This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled
“The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28)
According to Karen Armstrong
Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106).
“the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason.
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”.
THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY"
A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT
“To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities."
THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit".
Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3}
Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE?
"It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
"It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
I truly hope that people will follow the advice to take their Bibles and study it out for themselves. I also hope that they will include passages like Roman 8:16 and Romans, 8:26, where the Holy Spirit is called "itself" rather than "himself" and also first Peter 1:11, John 1:32 where it has "it" instead of "he" when referring to the Holy Spirit. All of these need to be addressed and reconciled. Also study 1 Corinthians chapter 2 verses, 10 and 11, where man and his Spirit is compared to God and His Spirit. If we can harmonize these, then that will be great.
Also, the Comforter (the paracletos) has a name. We find the name of the Comforter in 1 John 2:1. I hope people will study this.
I would like to know why Luke 1:35 names the Holy Ghost as the father, yet Jesus called someone else His Father (God the Father).
It is a pity James White, Ellen White and the founders were so wrong back in 1844 through to 1913, as the yearbook and publications were producing the 1872 fundamental principles which are, apparently, so wrong. I thought principles don't change. They should have used "fundamental beliefs"...we know beliefs change (they changed in 1980).
I hope people study the foundation Jesus taught in Mt 16:15-18. It seems James White may have understood that passage.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what?
(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14.
Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)
The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human).
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God.
ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James version Bible
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Berean Study Bible.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth.
"It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh.
"It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
@@JamesE-f4b Amen!
THE SECOND COMMANDMENT, THE TRINITY, AND THE OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD
I always wondered what was so significant about the second Commandment that Rome found it necessary to remove it altogether from the Ten Commandments. But it appears that there is a fundamental truth in that Commandment concerning where God's presence is that is intended to protect us from all forms of false worship.
The second Commandment tells us that we should not bow down before any image. This implies that God is not in any image. Which means that God is not everywhere. The Bible tells us that God is in heaven; and heaven is not everywhere. Heaven is above the earth and that is where we should direct our worship to God, where He is. He knows everything that happens everywhere and can go wherever He pleases but His abode is in heaven where Jesus, our High Priest and intercessor, is presenting our cases to Him. - "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Heb. 8:1).
Furthermore, both the prophets Daniel and John saw God in heaven with the angels gathered around His throne and Jesus being separate and distinct (Dan. 7 and Rev. 4, 5). Daniel said "the Ancient of days did sit" (Dan. 7:9) and "one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days" (Dan. 7:13). John said "one sat on the throne" (Rev. 4:2) who was worshipped as the Creator to whom it was said "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11), with Jesus appearing before Him to receive a book and power and authority, as the Lamb who was slain, while the angels sang, "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (Rev. 5:13).
God is not everywhere all at once like a vapour while part of Him or an image sits on the throne representing Him. God Himself sits, of whom man was made in His image after His likeness, "made after the similitude of God" (James 3:9).
Logically, if God is everywhere, He can be worshipped wherever He is. One could then bow down and worship before a stone, a tree, a person or any object, not as worshipping the object but as worshipping God, since God is in it. That would open the door for the worship of false Gods as no one would be able to tell the difference whether you are worshipping the true God or not.
It would not be consistent to forbid worshipping before an object if God is in the object and one is worshipping, not the object, but God who is in the object. This is evident in the experience of the children of Israel in the wilderness. God appeared to them in a cloud and they were not forbidden to bow before Him in the cloud - "And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud" (Ex. 19:9), "And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door" (Ex. 33:10). If God is not in a particular place, say in an image, it means that there is at least one place where He is not. He cannot be everywhere and not everywhere at the same time.
The idea that the Holy Spirit is God present everywhere was precisely the argument that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg put forward to justify his pantheistic teachings. And Ellen White told him that he was wrong. Initially, he said that God was in everything. And when God instructed Ellen White to oppose it, he modified it by saying that at the time of his first presentation of the matter in the book "The Living Temple" he did not believe in the Trinity. Because of that, he said he had not given a clear explanation of the matter. He went on to explain that he had now come to believe in the Trinity and could better explain his idea. The new explanation was that it was not God the Father, but God the Holy Ghost who was everywhere and in everything. Ellen White told him that he was wrong. And we can see why. If God the Holy Spirit is everywhere and can be worshipped, it is a doorway to replace worshipping God and Christ in heaven entirely.
Another modified version of Kellogg's idea is that the Holy Spirit is really Christ himself or both God and Christ in an omnipresent form. This is also not correct as it places God and Christ on earth rather than in heaven.
The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism stated in their Fundamental Principles of faith published in the 1889 Yearbook that God was everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. At face value, this would suggest that this representative is omnipresent. But it is perhaps more consistent with scripture to say that He is everywhere present by His representatives the holy spirits. Holy spirits are ministering spirits sent from heaven - "And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." (John1:51). "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" (Heb. 1:14).
This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere.
From this perspective, there is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18 who comes down from heaven with the latter rain - a similar occurrence as that which took place at Pentecost except more extensive - the Comforter would be seen as a messenger sent by Christ from heaven, as stated repeatedly in John 14-16. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399).
It should be noted that Jesus's warning against blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is not implying that the Holy Spirit is more to be revered than Jesus Himself. Jesus went back to heaven and promises to return to this earth to take us to His Father's house in heaven. He left the Holy Spirit to guide us until He returns. If we reject that guidance by blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, there will be nobody to guide us. The situation is like what God told the children of Israel in the wilderness - "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." (Ex. 23:20, 21). It is simply warning us not to reject the Holy Spirit's guidance. It is not forbidding us seeking to understand who the Holy Spirit is or what the Holy Spirit does.
So, there we have it. The church has now fully accepted Kellogg's idea. Ellen White said that the initial presentation by Kellogg was the alpha of deadly heresies. She said that the omega would follow shortly afterwards and would be accepted. And it did follow shortly afterwards in Kellogg's modified version, based on his acceptance of the Trinity. And the church has now fully accepted it - that God (the Holy Spirit) is everywhere and should be worshipped. So, based on current practice, Jesus is worshipped, the Holy Spirit is worshipped but the One true God is almost entirely ignored. Jesus, praying to His Father, made it clear who the "only true God" is and identified Himself as the one sent by God - "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3).
Nowhere in the Bible is worship given to anyone else except the one seated on the throne who is referred to as "LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come" (Rev.4:8) and to Christ, the Lamb, as it will be in the new earth - "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." (Rev. 21:22). God is the Father of Christ. Accordingly, Christ, the Lamb is seen with "an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads" (Rev. 14:1). It is the name of the Lamb's Father that will be written in their foreheads.
Whatever one's concept of the Godhead, the term "godhead" is used only three times in the Bible (Acts 17:29, Rom. 1:20 and Col. 2:9) and in none of these places is the expression used to replace the idea of God being a single individual who has a Divine Son who is worshipped alongside Himself. And not even once does the term "godhead" in scripture allude to the worship of anyone else.
All worship should be directed to God and Christ in heaven. It is not about where we are when we worship but, like sending a petition to the king of England, we do not send it to Spain or Australia but to him in England where he is. Similarly, Jesus in teaching us how to pray directed that we say, "Our Father which art in heaven".
We should not be praying to nor worshipping anything on earth. We should pray to God in heaven, approaching His throne through Christ, our Mediator, and we should direct our worship to heaven where God is. This is the substance of the second Commandment that Rome has removed.
Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
Only to know the Father and His Son… Joh 17:3
I was just delving into the Trinity subject and after reading all the biblical verses I could find regarding the topic I was presented with this video on my timeline. I don't think it was by chance.
Studying both sides. Why big issue again?
I had the same experience but with discovering the book “The Heavenly Trio”
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says.
Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ?
Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated:
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God is Three in one and one in three, they insist.
Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures.
Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power.
Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
About a total of 45 verses in N.T.
The rest of the statements are not found at all.
God the Son = 0
But = The Son of God about 71 times.
God the Spirit = 0
Spirit of God = about 105 times
Spirit Definition
American Heritage Dictionary:
"Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings."
So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form.
Scriptures does NOT reveal that the
Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
@@ericfolks1503Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says.
Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ?
Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated:
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God is Three in one and one in three, they insist.
Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures.
Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power.
Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
About a total of 45 verses in N.T.
The rest of the statements are not found at all.
God the Son = 0
But = The Son of God about 71 times.
God the Spirit = 0
Spirit of God = about 105 times
Spirit Definition
American Heritage Dictionary:
"Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings."
So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form.
Scriptures does NOT reveal that the
Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
@@juliosalinas4436
Careful. They may remove your comments and any reply like they did all of mine. heads up
Thank you, Pastor Ron. May God keep you safe as you continue to speak truth.
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says.
Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ?
Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated:
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God is Three in one and one in three, they insist.
Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures.
Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power.
Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
About a total of 45 verses in N.T.
The rest of the statements are not found at all.
God the Son = 0
But = The Son of God about 71 times.
God the Spirit = 0
Spirit of God = about 105 times
Spirit Definition
American Heritage Dictionary:
"Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings."
So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form.
Scriptures does NOT reveal that the
Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
Trinity is a false doctrine. Here is a Bible study w SOP that makes it clear. God bless you 🙏
www.earthenvessels.org.au/s/AJAG.pdf
@@juliosalinas4436 Those verse are to show They are connected and They work in oneness to fulfilled what They had plan before world begin.
God show His light according to the era and reasoning and discussion and correction is what scripture says. According to the light we know what says in the scripture says....Catholic terminology of trinity is very different from SDA terminology of trinity because SDA derived from scripture.
It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, “the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father.” It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, “He shall not speak of Himself.” John 15:26; 16:13. { AA 51.3} 52
Yes. Very true.
Jesus us the comforter be He often said I don’t speak of myself but whatever the Father said to me I speak that to you.
Here is a Bible study w SOP which makes it clear. God bless 🙏
www.earthenvessels.org.au/s/AJAG.pdf
ÉCOUTEZ BIEN NADER MANSOUR OUI, IL EST TRÈS IMPORTANT DE SAVOIR QUI NOUS SERVONS
I know the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and the three are one and divine; that’s enough for me.
@@NancyPierre-Louis-rf2ox do your research on 1 John 5:7 Go to the SDA Bible Research Institute and SDA Bible Commentary and find out what they say about that Bible verse. The word of God gives us plenty of evidence that God is the Father not three. That Jesus is the literal son of God not metaphorical.
Show me from scripture where it says the three are one?
As the SOP says: Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [This phrase was added by Ellen White.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” [John 14:26]. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you” [John 16:7]. . 14MR 23.3
The trinity has its roots in the Nicea council of 323AD chaired by constantine.
The Nicene Creed and the seventh day adventist believe about the Godhead / Trinity are quite different.
The only common thing is the number 3.
The 3 Person of Godhead:
1. Jude 1:20-21;
2. Titus 3:5-7;
3. 2 Corinthians 13:14;
4. 1 Peter 1:2
5. Romans 15:30.
Holy Holy, Holy is
1. the Father,
2. the Son [Luke 1:35];
3. the Holy Spirit,
in Isaiah 6:3 and
Revelation 4:8.
❤
@@pensamientosdepazpalabrasd4967 those are lies they tell you.
Yet a little while and the world seeth me no more ;but you see me;because i live,ye shall shall live also .st john 14:19
The divine unity between God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit is in
Matthew 28:19
1 John 5:7
2 Corinthians 13:14
1 Peter 1:2
described.
They are God the Father and God the Son two persons and the person of the Holy Spirit. 🙏📖❤
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES?
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
“This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled
“The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28)
According to Karen Armstrong
Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106).
“the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason.
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”.
THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY"
A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT
“To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities."
THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit".
Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3}
Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE?
"It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
"It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Amen!! Anyone who does some basic early church researching will find that what you are saying is spot on correct. I've done extensive historical and Biblical and SOP research on the trinity. It is a FALSE teaching which WILL ensnare those who do not have the love of the truth and who do not bother to investigate for themselves.
Amen!! PTL for the blessing of truth!! God bless you Pastor Ron Kelly, thank you!
I believe in the Trinity, but I never believe Ron believes all the mainstream scientism, and the deep state and CIA had nothing to do with JFK and twin towers... so NASA produces a picture of the earth and he's convinced. He mentions a text of the Bible saying the Circle of the Earth, and he concludes it's a ball? So every time I eat a Circle Pizza I'm eating a round spheroid pizza??
Trinity is a false doctrine. Here is a Bible study which makes it crystal clear what Gods truth is. God bless 🙏
www.earthenvessels.org.au/s/AJAG.pdf
We as Seventh-Day Adventist take the Bible as the Only rule for faith and practice. We also believe that "man doth not live by bread alone, but every word of God". The word trinity is of Catholic origin and is not found the bible nor the SOP. Why then adopt this "child of the papacy"? We believe in the biblical Godhead of which consist of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as separate/distinct individuals. The catholic trinity dogma does not agree with the bible on this. Why have leaders and admin chosen to adopt this term and bring in confusion among the ranks of believers?
The best thing to do to promote unity in the truth is to drop the term "trinity" from all things related to Adventism and teach the truth of the Godhead by describing it just as it reads. Godhead!
Let's turn back to the Bible and the "Testimonies of His Spirit":
The Lord has pronounced a curse upon those who take from or add to the Scriptures. The great I AM has decided what shall constitute the rule of faith and doctrine, and he has designed that the Bible shall be a household book. The church that holds to the word of God is irreconcilably separated from Rome. Protestants were once thus apart from this great church of apostasy, but they have approached more nearly to her, and are still in the path of reconciliation to the Church of Rome. Rome never changes. Her principles have not altered in the least. She has not lessened the breach between herself and Protestants; they have done all the advancing. But what does this argue for the Protestantism of this day? It is the rejection of Bible truth which makes men approach to infidelity. It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
Peace if Possible...Truth at all Costs!
Elder Chris Mangar
Dropping the word 'trinity' yet living and believing its definition is not enough to lead people out of its error.
Is the word Millennium in the Bible? Why do you use it in the teaching the 1000 years of the saints reign with Christ?
@@Preschtheword It's the other word for 1000 years and therefore doesn't make a difference. The word 'trinity' has a definition that has stood for 1500 years. It doesn't apply to 'a team of three' as commonly thought. Linguistically, yes, but as the Christian dogma that it is, NO. For it to be the hallowed trinity that it has been since it's formulation, it should have at its core the claim that the three are an inseparable singular substance. Check the founding, historical ecumenical creeds. This is where the dogma taps its revered unscriptural, human authority that unleashed bloody terror on its rejectors. Currently a number of eminent Adventist theologians, including one Max Hatton, adhere to this view in their denominationally published and marketed (ABC) books and theses. You'll be shocked this is true; I'm not vilifying them. So this is believed in our church.
A variant of this is the doctrine expressed Belief number 2 of SDA 28 Fundamental Beliefs which claims that the three are completely separate and distinct, having a co-equal, co-eternal existence. These three make up the being who is called God and this God is referred to by the pronoun 'He'. You'll have to face the hardship of denying tri-theism and establishing the claim that God is a singular, monotheistic being.
In fact, the roots of these two views are the same, and the Bible, if understood in its simplicity gives a wonderful, gospel fulfilling view of the whole matter.
@@Preschtheword Is the word 'Millennium' a doctrine? Apparently not, it is a measure of time.
Why would you add perplexity to the discussion?
@@canadiancontrarian3668 pleased to meet you again warrior of the One True God.
EGW's warning of the changes.
“I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
Has anyone asked themselves why so many clear statements undeniable statements from the pen of SOP (on this topic) were written the very last yrs of her life. There is a big picture here ppl need to stand back.
@@samanthawright4210 Lucifer is ramping it up, for he knows his time is short. So? his agents are coming out of the wood works.
"...that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferioir to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, “Let us make man in our image?”” (James White, November 29, 1877, Review & Herald)
Dear Pastor Kelly John 14 Vs 18 says : l will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
What do we do with this verse?
Hmmm, I'd put in context of John 16:7, 13-14
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
[13] However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [14] He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
Friend, I'm curious. What would you do with John 14:18 in light of these words of Jesus?
@@brianhollis7585 Makes sense...Christ is speaking of himself in the third person. This is just another instance.
This passage is also fully clarified four verses later. Judas tells us.
'How is it that THOU wilt manifest thyself to us, and not unto the world?' John 14:22
The disciples knew Christ was speaking of himself.
So the choice is ours...
Should we concur and side with the disciples? Or submit to the wrangling of the conference preacher?
Anthony, what Jesus said there in John 14:18 is true. The proof can be found in the combination of these three verses. Rev 3:1, 4:5 and 5:6. The Father GAVE Jesus His (our Father's) 7 Holy Spirits --- so now it IS Jesus' Spirit. And, they (Jesus' Spirits) are sent throughout the world to all of us.
@@holdthewinds The seven spirits are simply measured amounts of God's own Spirit.
Right?
There are many examples of this.
Such as Elisha receiving a double portion of what was bestowed upon Elijah.
Or as recorded in Numbers chapter 11, God removes a certain amount of HIS Spirit from Moses and apportions it to the 70 elders.
These are instructional illustrations of how our Father pours out His own Spirit and how it is quantified by God's own choosing.
Amen?
@brianhollis7585
'I am the way, the truth and the life'
Who said this?
You want to know the problem with doctrine? When all we do is give great sermons, moving people to change their lives and FORGET to cover the basics behind our faith we start thinking like the rest of Christendom. Every so often I hear of a loving SDA passing away. Along with that I find loving SDA family members declaring that person is in Heaven watching over us. If we aren't teaching it or if we aren't teaching people to "study for themselves" we leave them without the things that move us to thirst after righteousness. Maranatha!
Well said. Unfortunately doctrines ain't the priority now in SDA church. It's all love love love. Ellen White calls it false charity or free-loveism and says it's Spiritualism . Yes the new age movement has taken over.
Because mindless, and indolent human mind, always gravitate to paganism. Trinity is another way/form of an excuse, from being made accountable.
@@JamesE-f4b Three,trio,trinity God in heaven. Catholic terminology is very different from SDA terminology because SDA derives from Scripture.
@@witness8907 Human mentality always gravitate, to paganism. Are you one of them? Trinity is trinity, no matter how you slice it. If you have dissected the god you ascribe to. That is your business. The SDA corporation Trinity is on your bible? It is not on mine. Deal with the following.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
"It is written???????" Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
"It is written???????" Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart(Mind) is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
"It is written???????" 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry
It is written??????? 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
"It is written???????" 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
"It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
"It is written???????" 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
False doctrine or ideas is an idol, "trinity/godhead", "Christ's mass", and "Halloween"? ETC? IDOLATRY.
In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists-the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions-is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia. {DD 29.1}
No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God. {LHU 143.4}
@@witness8907 SDA is worse in that it believes Godhead means Trinity.
Critics are those who have failed to write. True criticism is to share your study on the same subject rather than pick out this and that
@@johnkariukimungai5211
My comments and reply has been removed and blocked. Heads up.
We are told to be “fruit inspectors”…..
@@PatriciaCaggiano-oy9uf fruit inpectors also bear fruit so they are also inpected
"Adventists beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of 'present truth'. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord... Likewise, the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by early Adventists." -ibid
“Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denomination’s Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity.” (George R. Knight-professor of church history at the Theological Seminary, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan; Ministry, October, 1993, p. 10)
“either the pioneers were wrong and the present church is right, or the pioneers were right and the present Seventh-day Adventist Church has apostatized from biblical truth.” - Jerry Moon, The Trinity, Chapter, Trinity and antitrinitarianism in Seventh-day Adventist history, p. 190
AMEN
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
This Bible verse applies to this video.
Pastor Kelly, at minute 15:15 you say the following, and I quote:
"Read John 17, I don't have time to do it today, but Jesus' prayer is: "Let this church (praying for His disciples) be one, as the Father and the Spirit and the Son are one". That is a prayer that ought to take our minds into outer space".
End of quote.
Now brother Kelly, can you please tell us what verse you're quoting? And what translation of which Bible you're using? I've looked at several bible translations, in English and other languages and I do not find John mentioning the Spirit anywhere in John 17. What Bible are you using?
I'm not non-trinitarian nor trinitarian. I believe my Bible that there is a God the Father, there is Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son, our Savior, and the Bible is also clear there is a Holy Spirit (though Revelation mentions 7 spirits at God's throne), so that is enough for me,i believe the three exist.
I definitively do not believe the theory that seems to be taught in seminaries and is advocated by Vance Ferrell that the three are 'role playing' and that any of the three could have played the Father, or the Son, and they basically threw dice for what 'role to play'. Reading that theory in Vance Ferrell's book 'Defending the Godhead' actually turned me against what the SDA church officially teaches in regards to Trinity, for it is non-Biblical. I studied the subject seriously for years with much prayer, by studying from both sides and finally arrived at the conclusion that yes, there are three "worthies" in heaven, but our mind is too limited to discern the intricacies and details of the Godhead. Therefore I decided to leave the subject alone, if God wanted us to know He would have told us more clearly.
However, to hear you defend Trinity by using verses that are not in my Bible makes me wonder who the Fake News actually is. Am I mistaken, does anyone know what verse pastor Kelly is talking about in John 17? As far as i can see, the verse that he seems to refer to is verse 21 that says:
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:". No mention of the Spirit that I can find in my Bibles in this context. And I don't want to add it there, for I take seriously God's warning in Revelation 22:18 to those adding anything to the Scriptures.
I'd like to hear from you pastor Kelly, or anyone that knows what verse he's using in this context, it happens that I do want to take the time to look for it, unlike pastor Kelly.
@@dennis3264 Titus 2:13 does not call Jesus God, as you have improperly claimed. It addresses two separate entities: Jesus and His Father. The use of "and" does not mean "equal," it means "also." This is supported by the Greek "καὶ" (kai) which is a dysjunctive conjunction. If a copulative conjunction were intended, Greek has the (more poetic) option of using "te kai" to indicate a "both...and" relationship between the two nouns--which does not occur in Titus 2:13.
Now the Lord is that Spirit. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
@@dennis3264 Read Acts 5 until verse 9. You will see the whole truth. The Holy Spirit is not another person or God but the Spirit of God and the Spirit of our Lord which comes from God the Father. Let no man deceive you. God is a personal being and there is one God. Do not spiritualise God. Jesus is God by virtue of being the literal begotten Son of God. That's not metaphorical.
@@Cryaloud You're right about some things. But when you say Jesus is God, you are perhaps not realizing what you are teaching, nor that you oppose many plain passages of the Bible in doing so. Consider James 1:13 which says God cannot be tempted with evil. Was Jesus tempted? What theology would we have about salvation and the plan of redemption if Jesus had never been tempted in all points like as we are? Consider Numbers 23:19 which says God is not a man, nor the son of man. Did Jesus lie in Matthew 16:13 when he called himself "the son of man"? Consider Jesus' own words in John 4:24 that God is a spirit, and then Jesus' words in Luke 24:39 saying "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Jesus openly taught that he was not God! Would Jesus have been correct to say that the Father was "the only true God" (John 17:3) if in actual fact he, as "the literal begotten Son of God," was God too? Did people see Jesus? Yet why did John write, twice, that "no man hath seen God at any time"? (See John 1:18; 1 John 4:12.)
Jesus said "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." (Matthew 22:32) But Paul said: "Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living." (Romans 14:9). Was Paul wrong? Is the Bible incorrect? Does God = Lord?
These are questions you may wish to consider. In the spirit of 1 Peter 3:15 and Romans 14:5, I hope you are able to find solid answers to them. For my own journey to truth, John 14:10; 12:49; 10:38; and 8:28 were very helpful, in addition to things like John 5:43 & 37.
You have exaggerated what they said.
Anyone who can read Biblical Greek can easily see that the Comforter is Jesus. The Greek word is "parakletos." It occurs only five times in the New Testament, always written by John. In the last occurrence, the Trinitarian translators of the Bible changed this from their consistent "Comforter" translation to "advocate." This was in 1 John 2:1 which identifies our Parakletos as Jesus Christ.
@@MongRay-n8i Jesus is not two Comforters. Just one of two. Note James White:
James White: There are two distinct comforters.
"The distinction between the manifestations of the Holy Spirit and the personal presence of Christ at his second appearing is made very plain in the Scriptures. Says Jesus, "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter." John 14:16. This language implies the DISTINCT EXISTENCE of MORE THAN ONE COMFORTER. When Christ was with is people, he was their comforter. In his absence, the Father was to send another Comforter, even the Spirit of truth. During the absence of the Son, the Holy Spirit was to be his representative, and the comforter of his sorrowing people. {1865? JW, SEADV 11.3}
@@MongRay-n8i
Another interesting note:
The THREE horns (nations) that were plucked up by the big horn (beast) were Anti-Trinitarian.
I always found that fact telling.
@@MsSmilest Yes! I just learned that fact about two months ago. The question it brought most sharply to my mind was this: Why haven't Adventists been teaching this? It is, as you say, "telling."
@@MongRay-n8i God is guiding His people.
I believe - have believed for almost 50yr - that the "Doctrine of the Trinity" would be the cause of the SHAKING...and here it is.
Praise God.
Jesus is coming SOON ❤️
I have a question. If Jesus was omnipresent before He came to earth as a man. And He lost the ability to be omnipresent how was He auto send Himself back as the Comforter?
The nature of the Holy Spirit (Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. { AA 52.1}
Not one of the founders could be baptized in the SDA church today including EG White because of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. None of the founders were Trinitarians. EG White’s husband was very vocal about being a non Trinitarian. If EG White was a prophet, which she definitely was, she would have corrected him. Not one Bible verse says “ God the Holy Spirit”.
AND...
The THREE horns (nations) that were plucked up by the big horn (beast) were Anti-Trinitarian.
I always found that fact telling.
"The doctrine of the trinity is true when rightly understood." --Stephen N. Haskell (SDA pioneer), Bible Training School, Feb. 1, 1906
"Elder Haskell is a man of influence and has had an experience that goes back to the early days of the message. His interests were closely connected with those of the pioneers in this cause in their early labors and conflicts... Elder Haskell has had a knowledge of present truth from the beginning. He knows how to keep minds fresh, regarding the events of our history as a people, and to teach those points of faith that have been present truth to us from the rise of the message to this time... and (he) will work in harmony with the testimonies that God sends through His chosen agencies."
---E.G. White, Letter 56, 1908
@@chrischung2365 Elder Haskell also wrote:
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THE Brahmans gave India its religion; and yet all the heathens in India are not their followers, though they are all idolaters. The Brahmans, the priests, are an educated class of people. They belong to the higher caste, and the strictness of the caste can only be appreciated by seeing its effect on the East Indian people. Brahma is regarded as the supreme being, the god of gods; of whom Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva are manifestations. Their holy books, are prized as highly by the most conscientious as the Bible is by the Christian. These three gods represent the earth, sky, and heaven. Concerning the gods, we read in one of their holy books: "All the gods are in Brahma as cows in a cow-house; in the beginning, Brahma was this universe. He created gods. Having created gods, he placed them in these worlds; viz., Agni in this world, Vayu in the atmosphere, and Surya in the sky." Therefore all kinds of graven images of wood, iron, brass, or stone, as well as nearly all kinds of animals and many trees, are worshipped as proceeding directly or indirectly from Brahma. Brahma is further described as "the invisible, imperishable Brahma; varying in form, invariable in substance; the chief principle, self-engendered; who is said to illuminate the caverns of the heart; who is invisible, radiant, undecaying, multiform. To the supreme Brahma be forever adoration."
This sounds something like descriptions we have read of the holy trinity: "Without body and without parts; one in substance; the three Gods in one,-God, his Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
When the Hindoo is charged with polytheism and with violating the primary law respecting the unity of God, he replies that "Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, etc., are only manifestations of the supreme Brahma." This idea lies at the foundation of the system of worshipping an innumerable number of gods of every description in India. New gods are continually being manufactured, and saints are being canonized; so in this respect their religion changes and their gods increase.
[S. N. Haskell, Bible Echo and Signs of the Times, May 15,1890, Vol. 5, No. 10, p. 153]
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That does not sound very flattering of "the holy trinity." Haskell likened belief in the Trinity to Hindu polytheism.
Trinitarianism isnt God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Trinitarianism is father/mother/son as false deity. Please start there. This rabbit hole was made by satan. God the Father and the Son are one. The Holy Spirit is always described working independantly of the Son and Father. Our finite numeration cant comprehind a numeration to place them under. But the one absolute distinction that seperates sda's from "trinitarianism" is "the mother of heaven," which is "the mother of harlots." And that was our fundamental then, and it is our findamental now.
The papacy states that mary was born emaculantly just as Jesus was. This is the heart of trinitarianism and the ancient occult.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Thank God for the Holy spirit
To those in the SDA church seeking an understanding of this subject, you will never know the multitude of falsehoods in this sermon unless you study this issue for YOURSELF and study it FROM the Bible with an OPEN HEART. As a nontrinitarian, I can tell you this sermon is riddled with falsehoods about what nontrinitarians believe. The claims made are calculated to deceive you and secure you in a belief of the false god of the trinity. If you want to know what we SDA nontrinitarians believe and why we hold to the teachings in our past history, GO TO A NONTRINITARIAN and ask. The truth needs no false pretensions to prop it up and it can bear investigation. But have confidence in this at least, that the explanations you get from a trinitarian about what nontrinitarians believe is going to be slanted at best, and a lie at worst. Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.
Amen and well said.
Is this your only complaint?
I don't mean to sound angry, since we all agree that the letter killeth, while a personal presence giveth life. The letter has the built-in disadvantage of causing misunderstanding and strife. So Lord please help me.
The above comment is general, but pointed enough to plead with anyone with a difference of understanding that they should seek out the other side of the story. This is what courtrooms do. Would to God that the scientific and religious communities might also use evidence from the opposers on the issues of the flood and creation. This is not a thoughtless request.
And on the subject of the Godhead, looking at the opposite evidence is not rejecting a counterfeit in order to keep yourself unpoisoned. It's doing as Ellen White counseled following the 1888 warzone. She said that we should counsel together and to not automatically cry error because it disagrees with our interpretation of scripture. She also said that when there's no contradiction to established doctrine that causes us to dig deeper into scripture then we're in real danger. No doubt, in my opinion, there were 12 different opinions between the 12 tribes of Israel, maybe even 13 or 14 opinions. But they stayed together for a long time. And when the split came and the northern kingdom was taken away, the southern kingdom remained deeply concerned about them. So let the sparks fly, but also let brotherly love reign
EGW's warning of the changes.
“I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
@@RepaireroftheBreach amen
Welcome come back pastor 🙏🏾
Something can be flat and a circle, Ron.
adventists should based the truth based on what is in the scripture, and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
To the law and the testimony of it speaks not according to the word, it is because there is no light in them!
Where is the word, plain from the scriptures, that the Bible teaches the One God consists three separate divine beings? And where is the 2nd and or 3rd Bible verse(s) as a true witness to establish the truth?
Powerful Sermon... Praise GOD!! Thank GOD for this faithful witness to GOD'S truth 🙌🏾🙌🏾📖🔥❤️😇
Pastor Ron Kelly. I love you! Thank you so much for this sermon. I was praying about this and I believe that God has used you to answer my questions. Thanks again.
I don't know what your questions were, but this man is NOT telling the truth. Bible study and research reveal the truth and his claims do not match a "thus saith the Lord". Isaiah 8:20 applies to this man's claims.
Pastor Kelly quoted Isaiah 40:20 regarding the circle of the earth to mean the globe, but it actually fits better with a flat earth. A flat earth is a circle, a globe is just that, "a globe". If you read all of the text, it goes on to say about the heavens being stretched out as a curtain, and stretched them out as a tent to dwell in.
If you think of the firmament as a covering over the (flat) earth, Isaiah 40:20 makes more sense, there is your tent to dwell in.
As regards the issue of the trinity within the church, the church leaders should be willing to openly discuss it, reluctance to do so would indicate lack of proof.
I believe the church leaders made a big mistake over Covide 19 and the ensuing vaccines, it would appear that they followed the scientific narrative promoted by government.
I have been a member of the SDA Church for over 50 years, I am 80 years of age in good health and didn't take the vaccine. I know of people who are supposedly still getting Covid, and they have had all the vaccines.
I have lost confidence in the SDA leadership, I have only a secondary education and saw right through the narrative being pushed on us. The leadership with all their high academic
qualifications, fell hook line and sinker for the "plandemic".
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Who was Evangelism compiled by?
Go to the original quote and see what it says in context.
Evangelism was compiled by Leroy Froome, who Ellen White, sternly rebuked and stopped his book from being published. When he side stepped and got it to be printed, the whole pronting building and his plates were destroyed....
It is the efficiency of the Holy Spirit that makes the ministry of the word effective. When Christ speaks through the minister, the Holy Spirit prepares the hearts of the listeners to receive the word. The Holy Spirit(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) is not a servant, but a controlling power. He causes the truth to shine into minds, and speaks through every discourse where the minister surrenders himself to the divine working. It is the Spirit that surrounds the soul with a holy atmosphere, and speaks to the impenitent through words of warning, pointing them to Him who takes away the sin of the world. { GW 155.2}
Amen My Pastor kelly
Ron talks as if the word “Godhead” has some numerical value to it. The word for Godhead in the Greek simply means divinity. He is saying that the pioneers including, James White, did not believe in the full divinity of Christ. He couldn’t possibly be more wrong. Let’s let James White speak. “The father is greater than the son in that he was first. The son is equal to the father in that he has inherited all things.” (I don’t remember where to find that quote. Go find it yourself!) The pioneers looked in Genesis and saw that everything brings forth “after it’s kind.” They then concluded that if Jesus was begotten of his father before time began then by the law of inheritance he would have the same Devine life as his father had. In other words, if the God’s life was “original, unborrowed and underived” then Jesus would also have the same original, unborrowed and underived life as the father, which should remind us of the words of Jesus in John 5:26. Look it up.
what do yo say about to Seventh-day Church of Revelation and nader mansour?
Amen. A great message.
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES?
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
“This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled
“The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28)
According to Karen Armstrong
Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106).
“the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason.
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”.
THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY"
A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT
“To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities."
THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit".
Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3}
Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE?
"It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
"It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
@@JamesE-f4b what is baffling to me is how anyone who studies the Scriptures can reject the teaching of Trinity considering the many passages that speak of it. The weakest argument against it that I have heard is a reference to pagan teaching supposedly adopted by those who accept trinity. Has Satan counterfeited any teaching that is not biblical? The very fact that in many pagan religions we fingers a concept of Trinity implies counterfeit of the truth. This can be compared to believing that keeping the Sabbath is not biblical because pagans kept Sunday or having a temple in Jerusalem or even in heaven being not biblical because pagan religions have temples. Rediculous argument.
@@MrRomucha Where is your "It is written"?
@@JamesE-f4b Read it for yourself and you shall find it.
"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption"
Ephesians 4:30...
God is definitely not with this Pastor
Praise the Lord. Just yesterday, we just heard a sermon about this very topic and my family said we should really study it out, and this popped up!! Praise The Lord!!!!
Study means to study the word of God, not necessarily listen to more sermons. Test everything, hold tight to that which is true.
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@@Revelationforkids Absolutel! We don't rely on any one's words as 'study'. We will still be like the Bereans with all things spiritual.
I would suggest that you study it by yourself like you wanted before you found this sermon. Search Fundamental Principles of SDA in 1872 . In 1905 sister White stated that those pillars should not be removed. Search words as landmarks, fundamentals, pillars, last fifty years. You will be surprised.
@@bettyarauz9308 Thank you. I have studied many pillars by myself yeaaaaars ago and I continue to do so.
PERSON AND BEING ACCORDING TO EGW.
Ellen White demonstrated a distinction between the words “PERSON” and “BEING.” While she speaks of three persons or personalities and powers in the Godhead, she consistently identifies “ONLY” two beings -- the Father and His Son. Thus the words “PERSON” and “BEING” have different meanings to Ellen White. She called Jesus Christ by His Spirit a “PERSON,” but she obviously did not mean a literal person which has confused some.
“When trials overshadow the soul, remember the words of CHRIST, remember that HE is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit,” - (Ellen G. White, DG(Daughters of God) 185.2, 1897). So when she calls the Holy Spirit a person, she is NOT referring to another being. She is referring to Christ by HIS Holy Spirit.
Amen.
Well said.
Amen!
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What do you mean "holy spirit"? What are you implying? Is it a who? or a what?. I hope in your mind you are not thinking of the pagan "god the holy spirit" of trinitarianism. Godhead? A who, or a what?
(Powerful Holy Mind/heart/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God) The holy spirit is the powerful mind of the Almighty Creator. It is Holy, because my God is Holy.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:14.
Spirit of a man/thoughts/Spirit of God.(Powerful Holy Mind/Spirit/Divinity/Divine nature of God)
The Spirits/Powers of God is the presence of God, is the very Life of God, its the mind and breath of God.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human).
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: The mind that was in Christ Jesus was the mind of his Father,or the Holy Spirit thats why when we pray for the Holy Spirit many people are confused as to what they are praying for, a true biblical understanding will reveal that the spirit of God is the mind or the character of God.
ROMANS 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James version Bible
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Berean Study Bible.
"It is written???????" 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way NO ONE knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
It is written??????? 1 Thessalonians 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
It is written??????? Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
139:24 And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
It is written??????? John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
It is written??????? Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.
It is written??????? Jeremiah 15:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, [yet] my mind [could] not [be] toward this people: cast [them] out of my sight, and let them go forth.
"It is written???????" 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"It is written"??????? Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart(mind) bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart(mind) his mouth speaketh.
"It is written???????" Ephesians 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
"It is written???????" Jeremiah 17:9 The heart(mind/spirit)[is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Amen! Praise God that He is All we need...Father, Son and Holy Spirit🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
If you don't study the bible for yourself you will be deceived.
Ellen was right the Alpha was big but the Omega would be so bad that she shuttered for Gods people. Look up all the verses on God the father, Christ-Jesus-son of God, and Holy Spirit. In the KJV only. You will get the right concept of the truth.
God's Breathe/Spirit
It is written??????? John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
It is written??????? Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul(human being).
It is written??????? Job 4:9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.
It is written??????? Job 27:3 All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils;
It is written??????? Job 33:4 The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
It is written??????? Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;
It is written??????? Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.
It is written??????? Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
It is written??????? Psalms 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
It is written??????? Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
It is written??????? Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
It is written??????? Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
It is written??????? Isaiah 30:28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and [there shall be] a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing [them] to err.
It is written??????? Isaiah 33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, [as] fire, shall devour you.
It is written??????? Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
It is written??????? Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.
It is written??????? Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
So sad So sad.Hearing offshoot sda sermons as these is chilling evidence that Mrs White is correct saying protestants will reach across divide an join hands with papacy,just was not expecting the general conference sda to be with the mix.
It's clear Christ's return is closer than we expect His windowing fan is in His hand.
We Must be as the wise virgins not corrupted with doctrines of man ,Follow the Lamb.
Traveling down the narrow difficult and hard road will soon be like walking a wire,and it is possible.,
All things are possible for through Christ who strengthens us
You are not alone
O my goodness I love Ron Kelly but I find it so sad that the most dedicated pastors are so misled on this.Please study this.I wish our pastors will listen to Nader Mansour and Dustin Butler.
The sunday people is misled about the mark but with our church satan misled the church with another god he created the last 40 years.
Rev 1:1, Rev22:3... there is only the Father and the Lamb on the throne because the Holy Spirit is Their Spirit.Their Spirit comforts us,leads us in truth and to ONE GOD the Father and convince us of truth.
Its not another person.
Evangelism wasn't written by White but by Froom who believed in the Trinity.
Come back to the full thruth Laodicea.
@@b10mom39 why would anyone listen to the offshoots?
The Comforter is called “the Spirit of truth.” His work is to define and maintain the truth. He first dwells in the heart as the Spirit of truth, and thus He becomes the Comforter. There is comfort and peace in the truth, but no real peace or comfort can be found in falsehood. It is through false theories and traditions that Satan gains his power over the mind. By directing men to false standards, he misshapes the character. Through the Scriptures the Holy Spirit speaks to the mind, and impresses truth upon the heart. Thus He exposes error, and expels it from the soul. It is by the Spirit of truth, working through the word of God, that Christ subdues His chosen people to Himself. { DA 671.1}
When JESUS SAYS I WILL COME TO YOU. ITS NOT A FARY TALE STORY AND HE IS NOT LYING.
THE BIBLE IS TOO PLAIN . JESUS RETURN IN LIVING IN US.
The Triune God is also a person, but a fictional person. Does this preacher ever state that no prophet has ever said God is a trinity in any way, shape, or form? Does he tell you this teaching comes from the Catholic Church. Should I invest my time to watch the whole series?
"God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God." 8T 268.3
At first I don't know if he's pro or con. I'm leaning toward pro-catholicism, because he's joking. Joking about the omega of deadly heresy, if he knew trinitarianism is the Omega.
2. Using non-biblical arguments.
3. Too high budget. 99% of Gideon's army were idolatrous. 99.9% of Jezebel subjects worshipped Baal. 99.9% of Jerusalem drank the Kool Aid in 70 AD.
What % of professing SDAs drink the Kool Aid of deadly heresy?
Prov 9:6:
"6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding."
Eccl 7:4:
"4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth."
The reason why I never had problems with the Trinity is this:
We can worship only God, and we can Idolise a created being. Knowing my sinful nature, I do not dare mix or even cathegorize Divinity with what is created.
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says.
Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ?
Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated:
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God is Three in one and one in three, they insist.
Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures.
Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power.
Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
About a total of 45 verses in N.T.
The rest of the statements are not found at all.
God the Son = 0
But = The Son of God about 71 times.
God the Spirit = 0
Spirit of God = about 105 times
Spirit Definition
American Heritage Dictionary:
"Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings."
So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form.
Scriptures does NOT reveal that the
Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
Each statement I am shouting out Amen and Amen…..
Sometimes you should check your ego, my brother Kelly
EGW's warning of the changes.
“I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915
"It is written???????" Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
"It is written???????" Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart(Mind) is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
"It is written???????" 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry
It is written??????? 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
"It is written???????" 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
"It is written???????" John 14:15 If ye love me, keep(OBEY) my commandments. (I wonder why Jesus use the word "IF")(SHOW ME, DON'T TELL ME)
14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth(obeys)them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
"It is written" John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
15:10 If ye keep(obey) my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept(obeyed) my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Christ's condition of having a connection with Him.
"At that day," said Christ, "ye shall know that I am in My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you." Christ sought to impress the minds of the disciples with the distinction between those who are of the world, and those who are of Christ. He was about to die, but He would imprint on their minds the fact that He would live again. And although after His ascension He would be absent from them, yet by faith they might know and see Him. And He would have the same loving interest in them that He ever had. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 7}
Christ assured His disciples that after His resurrection, He would show Himself alive to them. Then every mist of doubt, every cloud of darkness, would be rolled away. They would then understand that which they had not understood,-that there is a complete union between Christ and His Father, a union which will always exist. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 8}
"He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." Again Christ repeated the condition of union with Him. This promise is made to every sincere Christian. Our Saviour speaks so plainly that no one need fail to understand that true love will always produce obedience. The religion of Jesus Christ is love. Obedience is the sign of true love. Christ and the Father are one, and those who in truth receive Christ, will love God as the great centre of their adoration, and will also love one another. Mrs. E. G. White. {BEcho, June 17, 1901 par. 9}
"It is written???????" John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep(obey) my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
"It is written???????" Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"It is written???????" Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"It is written???????" Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
"It is written???????" 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
It is written??????? Exodus 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
"It is written???????" Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
False doctrine or ideas is an idol, "trinity/godhead", "Christ's mass", and "Halloween"? ETC? IDOLATRY.
In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists-the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions-is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia. {DD 29.1}
No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry. It is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone. Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal. Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place? God is a God of truth. Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour. He is a God of patience and long-suffering. If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true God. {LHU 143.4}
The Charm of New Theories
Every phase of fanaticism and erroneous theories, claiming to be the truth, will be brought in among the remnant people of God. These will fill minds with erroneous sentiments which have no part in the truth for this time. Any man who supposes that in the strength of his own devised resolutions, in his intellectual might united with science or supposed knowledge, he can start a work which will conquer the world, will find himself lying among the ruins of his own speculations, and will plainly understand why he is there. . . . {2SM 14.2}
From the light given me of the Lord, men will arise speaking perverse things. Yea, already they have been working and speaking things which God has never revealed, bringing sacred truth upon a level with common things. Issues have been and will continue to be made of men's conceited fallacies, not of truth. The devisings of men's minds will invent tests that are no tests at all, that when the true test shall be made prominent, it shall be considered on a par with the man-made tests that have
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been of no value. We may expect that everything will be brought in and mingled with sound doctrine, but by clear, spiritual discernment, by the heavenly anointing, we must distinguish the sacred from the common which is being brought in to confuse faith and sound judgment, and demerit the great, grand, testing truth for this time. . . . {2SM 14.3}
Never, never was there a time when the truth suffered more from being misrepresented, belittled, demerited through the perverse disputings of men than in these last days. Men have brought themselves in with their heterogeneous mass of heresies which they represent as oracles for the people. The people are charmed with some strange new thing, and are not wise in experience to discern the character of ideas that men may frame up as something. But to call it something of great consequence and tie it to the oracles of God, does not make it truth. Oh, how this rebukes the low standard of piety in the churches. {2SM 15.1}
Men who want to present something original will conjure up things new and strange, and without consideration will step forward on these unstable theories, that have been woven together as a precious theory, and present it as a life and death question.--Letter 136a, 1898. {2SM 15.2}
When I watch in 2x speed it interestingni know they are trained to jump all over the stage because if it's not slightly entertaining the people will fall asleep, but when I'm watching my mind goes to Elijah's calm on mount Carmel as opposed to the 400 that jumped around trying to prove who had the truth.
A curious observation, not without warrant.
POPULAR ARGUMENTS FOR THE TRINITY ADDRESSED
The Bible teaches that there are three powers in heaven: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But it did not say that together, they are the one true God, or that they are co-equal. The concept of God as a Trinity has been prevalent in pagan religions and cultures but entirely absent from the religion of ancient Israel, the apostolic religion and even the religion of later pioneers such as James White, Joseph Bates, J. N. Andrews, J. N. Loughborough, J. H. Waggoner, and others.
The Seventh-day Adventist church requires that persons wishing to become members make a vow to believe in "one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” whereas the Bible does not explicitly teach that. The previous vow that persons took prior to 1980 was belief in "God the Father, in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit", which the Bible clearly teaches. The church has not allowed views like those of the pioneers to be expressed in the church and has disfellowshipped or sidelined those who hold similar beliefs as the pioneers on this matter. The church then accuses those very persons whom they forced out of the church and who then operate outside of the church, of causing division or calling people out of the church. Is that fair? Or is it a repeat of Ahab’s accusation against Elijah?
A few of the popular arguments for the Trinity are now addressed below.
1. Assertion: SDA pioneers only objected to the Catholic version of the Trinity.
Response: The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism fully understood the doctrine of the Trinity and rejected it as error. Later, some persons such as John Harvey Kellogg and S. N. Haskel spoke favourably of the Trinity but earlier pioneers who Ellen White described as laying the foundations of our faith consistently objected to the Trinity. There is a common definition of the Trinity that is shared by all Trinitarians, whether Catholic or otherwise, even though explained differently by various bodies. This definition as given in the dictionary is that the one God of scripture is three co-equal persons. The SDA Church expresses its trinitarian belief that “There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” (SDA Fundamental Beliefs number 2). The definition of who is Catholic, as given in the Edict of Thessalonica expresses the same idea as follows: “let us believe in the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics” (Edict of Thessalonica issued 380 AD). This definition of who is Catholic and who is heretic was used as the basis for persecuting God’s people during the dark ages and continues to define what is considered Christian orthodoxy by the World Council of Churches (WCC). The Basis of the WCC speaks of “one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Basis of the WCC, adopted by the Third Assembly (New Delhi 1961). The Bible teaches otherwise, as Jesus, in praying, stated that the one true God is His Father - “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3).
2. Assertion: The Hebrew word for “one” that describes God really means “united”.
Response: The Bible says that God is one (echad). The word echad is the first counting number in Hebrew, as with the numeral one. In other places of the Bible God is described using similar words such as “only” (quoted above in Jesus’s prayer), “none else”, “no other”, “He”, “none like me”. The Jews themselves, in whose language the word echad is used to describe God, understood it to mean one individual. The one God (one supreme Being) of the Bible is Jesus’s Father - “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” (Eph. 3:14, 15). The Father has no co-equals. He is “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see” (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). There aren’t three supreme beings, only One. All other beings are subject to Him. Another word that Trinitarians appeal to is Elohim, where God (Elohim) said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Gen. 1:26). They assume that God (Elohim) is three persons. The Bible does not say that. Ellen White explains, “I saw that when God said to his SON, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of JESUS.” (Ellen G. White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 1, pp. 17, 18). God (the Father of Christ) was speaking to His Son only. His Son is “the express image of His person” (Heb. 1:3). Ellen White speaks again explicitly in the following words: “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate - a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes”. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father - one in nature, in character, in purpose - the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” (E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34).
3. Assertion: Jesus is co-equal with the Father
Response: Jesus never claimed full equality with God, His Father, at any point in His existence. Before He came to earth, His Father anointed and appointed Him - “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9; see also verse 2). While He was on earth, He said “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). After sin is finished, He will still be subject to His Father - “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:28).
4. Assertion: The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father
Response: The Bible does not speak anywhere of a third God-Being who has the image or likeness of God or “the similitude of God.” (James 3:9). There is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18, the Comforter carries out a work of worldwide extent and is aided by other heavenly beings. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). The language of John 14-16 speaks of someone whom Jesus would ask the Father to send. That Person would not speak of himself but would speak only what He hears and would bring back to the minds of the disciples the things that Jesus would have told them - “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” (John 16:13). The three powers of heaven are God, Christ, and angels. There are many such references; for example: “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things” (1 Tim. 5:21). These are the same ones who were present at the creation - “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? …. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7). Again, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne” (Rev.1:4). These seven spirits are later described as “seven lamps of fire” (Rev. 4:5) and as “the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:2). This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere.
5. Assertion: Ellen White led the church into a Trinitarian understanding of God.
Response: Ellen White never used the term Trinity to describe God. She spoke of three persons of the godhead, which is consistent with the view expressed here that the Holy Spirit is a person, just not someone co-equal with God or to be worshipped. Regarding Ellen White’s statement that “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived” (Desire of Ages, p. 530), the full statement shows that it is not Jesus Himself that is being described, but rather, life - which Jesus has and is able to impart. Here is the full statement as it was originally published in Signs of the Times: “In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ.” (The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897; also Selected Messages, vol. 1, pp. 296, 297). Being described is the nature and quality of this life and not the origin of it. Original - not a pattern or copy, but something genuine, authentic. Unborrowed - does not have to be returned. Underived - not being drawn from a source; He has it in Himself. How He came in possession of it? It was given to Him by His Father. Jesus said: “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).
The Trinity denies the most fundamental truth of the gospel that God loved us to the point of giving His only begotten Son to die for us (John 3:16). It was not an eternal God who cannot die, but the literal Son of God who did die and was raised from the dead by His Father (Gal.1:1).
As far as assertion 3 is concerned:
It was to save the transgressor from ruin that He who was coequal with God offered up His life on Calvary.... FH 110.3
@@chrischung2365What is your point - reject Jesus's own words and accept a particular impression obtained from an EGW statement, without even an analysis of what she might have meant?
There are 2 systems of education, one is acredited by God, and the other is acredited by men
The Third Person of the Godhead. The Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ. Is it another personal being? How is this knowledge important in overcoming sin?
"The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of man to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fulness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." ~RH May 19, 1904, par. 3
Amen, the third person is explained and identified in the paragraph.
"Christ has give us HIS Spirit as a divine power."
Again I shout Amen !
Why would a Pastor in leading out his sermon, quote profusely from sources such as independent and USA Today?
It is almost as if they were some sort of modern translations of our Holy Bible.
Would not the congregation be edified and blessed with many a 'thus saith the LORD' texts from the Holy writ?
Throughout his 56 minute oration I did not see one Bible passage posted on screen for us to read and give proof to the contentious topic that was presented.
How is this even fair to the audience?
He quoted one verse that I can't find in John 17. It's scary!
@@Cryaloud @21 min he does read Matt 12:30.
But he did not display it on the screen as he did the many USA Today excepts.
This sermon was painful to listen to, I am very saddened by how misinformed some of these Ministers are.
I feel so sad for Pastor Ron Kelly.
I'm with you 100%. Having studied Hebrew and Greek for over six years, and knowing that our pastors also study these Biblical languages and should know better, the things I'm seeing in our church today bring literal heartache. I want to think that the pastors are just forgetful of their lessons, and ignorant. But it beggars belief. I don't want to think they would intentionally be feeding God's people lies. Why would they do this? The Bible is so clear. The Father is the only true God (John 17:3), and was Jesus' God as well as ours (John 20:17).
@@MongRay-n8ithey have been brainwashed with the ‘history’ that they were taught about how ‘few’ of the pioneers believed in the personality of God as they did, and not in the 3 in 1 God, this was noted to be unanimous for well over 50 years and past EGW death,… (evidence for this in the recorded 1919 meeting) and she refers to this belief as a pillar and also refers to this being part of what makes “us part of who we are”, beliefs they held “for the last 50 years”
… but if you call it a conspiracy… well then I guess no one needs to look further or be shamed 🙄🙄🙄
It is strange that many of us wait for others to speak so we can cannibalise them. Each of us ought to study. The best argument is to share your study as a counter. Shut up if you cant share your study
@@johnkariukimungai5211
My comments and reply have been blocked and removed.
I've posted my studies to a website. They are extensive. But YT won't allow links--too bad...another conspiracy, perhaps?
The Bible tells us that conspiracies are real. We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
We are not allowed to share our study (In my part of the world.). It is considered a conspiracy before it can be shared. Jesus had the same problem.
@@ralphsherman8404 and this TH-cam channel removes comments and replies. I know, it happened to me here and can’t reply to the person named John.
Thank you for this sermon! Happy Sabbath!
Wow !!! This pastor is a big liar. Our pioneers were not arians. They believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. And they believed that Jesus was the literal Son of God. They believed that Jesus was begotten of God as the Bible says.
Shall I believe more a mere man than the Word of God ?
Romans 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
SDA's 1980 doctrine of the Trinity is resume as stated:
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God is Three in one and one in three, they insist.
Of that statement you will find only the expression God the Father in Scriptures.
Romans 15:6 (ASV) that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (ASV) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.
1 Corinthians 15:24 (WTB) Then cometh the ende when he hath delivered vp ye kyngdome to God ye father when he hath put doune all rule auctorite and power.
Galatians 1:3 (ASV) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Timothy 1:2 (ASV) to Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
About a total of 45 verses in N.T.
The rest of the statements are not found at all.
God the Son = 0
But = The Son of God about 71 times.
God the Spirit = 0
Spirit of God = about 105 times
Spirit Definition
American Heritage Dictionary:
"Part of a human associated with the mind, will and feelings."
So this must be the same with the Divine except much more than that because the spirit of God can manifest itself in any form.
Scriptures does NOT reveal that the
Spirit is a third physical being independent of Christ and the Father
Where did Jesus say "let the disciples be one as the Father and the Spirit and the Son are one!!!!!??" 15:21
Newme. If I may suggest John 17: 11says as we are one. " WE" can mean any number. The context for R.Kellys quote could be chap 16 and the work of the Holy Spirit Jesus promised to send after His ascencsion. All heaven is working together for our salvation from sin and Satans power . The Father sent Jesus to die in our place. When His work was finished here on earth Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to take His place on earth in teaching and guiding people back to Jesus to be reconciled baxk to the Father . Hope I have been helpful.
Pagan Trinity
1. God
2. God
3. God …
at some point in time, transitioned into…
1. God the Father
2. God the Son
3. God the Holy Spirit
You cannot find this role-playing concept to be taught anywhere in the Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy.
With this concept, a person might think that there are three supreme gods ruling the universe. We call this concept Tritheism or Polytheism.
ONE TRUE GOD Doctrine Of The BIBLE
Using Biblical terminology, it is clear that there is ONLY ONE GOD, and this ONE GOD is the GOD THE FATHER.
JESUS CHRIST is the SON OF GOD and the SPIRIT is the SPIRIT OF GOD THE FATHER.
The GODHEAD according to the Bible.
1. God the Father
2. Son of God
3. Spirit of God
The Bible reveals that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD (Deuteronomy 4:35 / Deuteronomy 6:4 / Ps 83:18 / Isa 42:8 / Isa 45:5-6 / Jeremiah 10:10 / Mal. 2:10 / Gal 3:20).
The Bible also reveals that GOD The Father, is the one and only TRUE GOD.
(John 17:1, 3 / John 20:17 / 1 Corinthians 8:6 / Ephesians 3:14)
GOD the Father is the source of all things
(1 Cor 8:6 / John 6:57 / Acts 17:25 / Acts 17:28 / John 5:26 / John 5:21 / Eph 2:4-6 / Ephesians 3:14)
Jesus Christ, the Son of God is truly God and is NOT a created being (John 1:1-3; Romans 9:5).
Bible Teaches That Jesus is Pre-Existed Before The World Was (John 1:1 / John 1:3 / John 17:3-5)
Jesus Identifies Himself as Divine
(John 8:13 / John 8:24 / John 8:25 / John 8:58 / Isaiah 41:4; 43:10-13, 25; 46:4; 48:12; cf. John 13:19 / John 18:6 / John 5:18; 10:33).
The Bible reveals the Holy Spirit as follows:
The Spirit is the breath of God, His spoken word and the creative, life-giving power.
(Genesis 2:7 / Psalms 33:6 / Psalms 33:9 / Job 26:12-13 / Job 33:4 / John 20:22 / John 6:63 )
Holy Spirit is the omnipresence of God; it is His own Spirit.
(Psalm 33:13-14 / Psalms 51:11 / Psalms 139: 7-10 / Jeremiah 23:23, 24)
The Holy spirit is also the life and presence of Jesus and not another, separate god.
( John 14:18 / John 14:20 / Acts 3:19-20 Romans 8:10 / Galatians 2:20 / 2 Corinthians 3:17 / 2 Corinthians 13:5 Ephesians 3:17-19 / 1 John 4:13 Philippians 1:19 / Colossians 1:27/ 1 Peter 1:11/ 1 John 3:24 / Revelation 3:20).
ADVENTIST PIONEERS CAME FROM TRINITARIAN CHURCHES AND THEY CAME OUT AND REJECTED TRINITY DOCTRINE. In 1980, Adventist Church brought in the trinity doctrine into the church. They took the Adventist name but changed the doctrine of the Pioneers
A COUNTERFEIT OF THE THREE ANGELS MESSAGES?
“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
“This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled
“The Alexandria catechetical school, which revered Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the greatest theologian of the Greek Church, as its heads, applied the allegorical method to the explanation of Scripture. Its thought was influenced by Plato: its strong point was [pagan] theological speculations. Athanasius and the three Cappadocians [the men whose Trinitarian views were adopted by the Catholic Church at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople] had been included among its members.” - (Hubert Jedin, Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church: an Historical Outline, 1960, p. 28)
According to Karen Armstrong
Religion researcher Karen Armstrong explains in A History of God that “one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps” (1993, p. 106).
“the Trinity only made sense as a mystical or spiritual experience . . . It was not a logical or intellectual formulation but an imaginative paradigm that confounded reason.
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Trinity “For many Western Christians . . . the Trinity is simply baffling”.
THE GREAT DECEPTION "THE TRINITY"
A TWISTED TRINITARIAN CONCEPT
“To believe that doctrine [one God with three personalities or roles], when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, ‘Human blood can no more appease God than swine’s blood.’ Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities."
THE THIRD PERSON/BEING/PHYSICAL/"god-head", CALLED, PAGAN "god the holy spirit" is Lucifer himself. Trinitarians "god-head". The leader of the gang of three, Pagan gods of Trinitarianism. Satan coveted the position of the Begotten Son in heaven. He wanted to be co-equal, and co-eternal, with the Father and the Son. And be worshiped as "god". Since the devil can not accomplish that in heaven. Now he has set it up here on earth. Called the "TRINITY". Which is basically it is all himself. Lucifer + Satan + Devil = "god the holy spirit".
Lucifer was cast out of heaven because he was fully determined to have a position above that of Christ. He could not obtain what he coveted, and there was war in heaven, and he was cast out. {PC 91.3}
Who wants to be co-equal with the Supreme ONE?
"It is written" Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
"It is written???????" Psalms 1:1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
It is so sad that we have many in our denomination who are becoming 7th day Jehovah Witneses.
Arians are Jehovah's witnesses? So? why are caveats, about non SDA's will be in heaven, from these so called pastors of the SDA corporation calling themselves "church". Why did the Roman Catholic corporation that call themselves church, wiped out all those Arians? the three horns out of the ten? Do you people really know what Arius? was asserting? Don't just listen to some Jesuit seminary educated SDA, leader, pastor, etc.
Do you know what names and labels were given to the early apostolic church in the book of Acts for their belief and teachings that the resurrected Jesus was the Christ, the literal begotten Son of the Living God?
EGW's warning of the changes.
“I am charged to tell our people that they do not realize that the devil has device and device, and he carries them out in ways that they do not expect. Satan’s agencies will invent ways to make sinners out of saints. I tell you now, that when I am laid to rest, great changes will take place. I do not know when I shall be taken; and I desire to warn all against the devices of the devil. I want the people to know that I warned them fully before my death.” - Manuscript 1, February 24, 1915