Edgard Varèse, Ionisation - Ensemble intercontemporain
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- Edgard Varèse
Ionisation (1931), pour 13 percussions dont 1 piano
Editions Ricordi
Solistes de l'Ensemble intercontemporain
Elèves du Conservatoire National Supérieur de Musique et de Danse de Paris
Susanna Mälkki, direction
Percussions : Gilles DUROT, Samuel FAVRE, Victor HANNA (Ensemble intercontemporain) / Matthieu DRAUX, Adelaide FERRIERE, Jean-Baptiste BONNARD, Noam BIERSTONE, Christophe DRELICH, Julien LACROUZADE, Thibault LEPRI, Sylvain BORREDON, Othman LOUATI
Piano : Sébastien VICHARD
Enregistré à la Cité de la musique le 20 novembre 2012, dans le cadre du Festival d'Automne à Paris
Réalisation et montage : Jérémie Schellaert
Enregistrement sonore : Radio France
Production exécutive Ensemble intercontemporain
Remerciements à Laurent Bayle, Directeur général de la Cité de la musique et à ses équipes, à Christian de Portzamparc
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@@sonicsabbath That's not the joke :)
Hilarious. Well done. I smiled for the first time today :)
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Zappa had this record and would put chalk marks on the vinyl where the loud parts came in to cut to them when trying to impress his friends with this music. The average teen in the 50s was listening to Elvis and Pat Boone...
At the final months of his life, the last work Frank did was producing an album of Varèse performed by the Ensemble Modern, with whom he had worked with for The Yellow Shark. The session even saw Nicolas Slonimsky, the conductor of the premiere performance of Ionisation and a friend of Frank, take up the baton and conduct the piece. That album has yet to be released.
I have a theory about why the teenage Zappa loved this so much.
Listen to it. The snare drum has a definite motif. Zappa’s first instrument was marching band drum. He was taught the rudiments, and the recorded evidence shows that he wasn’t a bad drummer. The snare drum is basically the lead instrument in this piece, with the sirens an important supporting instrument.
Zappa grew up with a father who worked as a contractor for the Department of Defense. He spent the earliest years of his life growing up next door to Edgewood Arsenal in the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland. He must have got used to the sound of sirens; they used to be used all the time. I had friends as a kid who lived in Cork city in Ireland, and sirens were used every morning to alert dock workers that it was time to clock in. You could hear them all over the city. They must have been used even more frequently in US military installations, if only for emergency drill purposes.
The teenage Zappa hears a piece of modern music that incorporates snare drum, his own instrument, and sirens, the sound he most didn't want to hear.
No wonder he wanted to become a composer.
I should hate to make another silly comment, but: surely we must all agree that Zappa continued to be very good at the "rudiments".
Zappa was a schild of the cold war thearetenings in the 50/60ties and thus, growing up in a military zone used to the alarms of danger. Read his own whritings in the Great Frank Zappa book or in 'the negatieve dialect of poodle playing'. My english is not so good but I do understand where he got his musical conuntation . Overall: Zappa learnt me so much about art . Look further than what society is trying to get you focussed on. Edgar Varesse, stockhausen, Nam June Paike and Zappa and all those fantastic minds have shown me another way of thinking listening being. The modern day composer refuses to die.
I know it's old but, what a fascinating theory Alex ! I really liked that !
Cool. Can we get a psychoanalysis for why he might have liked webern, stravinsky, amd the shaggs?
@@jfleminator
I believe Zappa liked the Shaggs because they were so horribly bad, they were a force to reckon with.
Performed this many years ago, forgot how much groove there is to certain sections. Grade A club smasher.
Same here! one of my most memorable musical experiences in my life. what a trip.
Hey man, freshman musicology student, just wanna say I love your comments. I just saw you commenting on Webern's symphony Op. 25, it's nice to see people that aren't a) lmao frank zappa or b) holy fuck im 145 years old and love this
@@KonStafylides I love Webern. He really was on top of his pointilistic serial banger game. Whenever I hear his 5 bagatelles dropped in the club I lose my shit.
@@patrickkeenan8443 Keep it up lmfao
@@KonStafylides Zappa
That had to have been the most sensitive and moving performance of an air raid siren I’ve ever heard.
I found it tastefully understated.
Frank and Ruth. I'm still a fan. They're still my heroes.
This is beautiful. I don't believe that I'm able to comprehend entirely what's going on. But the sheer sounds of the instruments as they go along in the composition are very stimulating. I would love to hear that in a concert hall.
If you're enjoying it, you're understanding it! Maybe not true of all pieces of music but here the sound and the vibe are all important :)
@@BethanyLowe8773 It depends what you mean by “understand”. I think DerUfen means he doesn’t see how the piece is structured. It also depends what you mean by “sound”. A melody by Puccini is just a series of sounds (at least as performed), but the timbre of the voice singing and the timbre of the orchestral instruments accompanying are secondary to the pattern of the sequence of pitches (in other words, to the structure of the melody). You don’t have to be able to articulate analytically that structure, but if you can’t apprehend it synthetically, you”ve missed the melody entirely.
Spectralmusic hat auch etwas mit Mathematik zu tun! Diese Aufführung ist einfach nur grandios!
@@BethanyLowe8773 Sometimes understanding it is the opposite of enjoying it too.
I am delighted anyone undertakes a performance of Edgar's wonderful landmark work! Bravo for you ! I have studied and been an admirer or Edgar since 1969! Thank you for keeping Varese alive and in the halls.
Fantastic recording. Glad the mixing was capable of making all instruments properly audible unlike many other recordings available on TH-cam.
Thanks !
Mixing? Real composers don’t depend on mixes to patch holes in their scoring. An important part of composing is writing in such a way as to achieve a proper balance-without the artificial use of mixing boards.
That runs a cold second to...
Musicians capable of Dynamics!
Ie all the instruments can be heard in a proper fashion, as the composer intended.
this is my favourite roadtrip song
Totally blown away! When i first heard the audio of this, I had my fair share of doubts if anyone would be able to pull this off live. You guys did a splendid job!
What? You thought the “audio” was put together by overdubbing, splicing, and punching in? That’s not how a real composer works.
Perfect tempo. Textural clarity.
It's awesome listening to all the different timbres of the percussion instruments, and the variety of sound that can be coaxed from each instrument depending on how it is played. Great audio quality too :)
Ensemble Intercontemporain has always played the bizarre pieces they choose in a wonderful way, but THIS performance is easily one of my favorite recordings in the world. the conductor is very good, keeping pace with the strange meter, her movements large enough to be noted by the performers without seeming gratuitous or self-important. Fantastic performance, I watch it every couple months and am moved and impressed each time. Thank you for this performance!
This really is an astounding recording, from a performance point of view as well as a technical point of view. Thanks to the engineer(s) that recorded this. I don't believe there is an engineering credit listed in this video unfortunately.
Probably one of the best performances of this piece I've ever heard wooooow
Fantastic piece! Had to study it for my music degree in the 70s.
I haven't heard this piece since I was in college. Great job here. The different timbres, articulation, and style are perfect. One might think that a percussion piece would be all loud - boom bang boom- but not this one. Superb camera work too.
Susanna Mälkki has brought me here. I like her stile and her clothes and her way of leading this group. And I like the drummers, the percussion people. But I have to confess, I have it a little bit hard about that electric machine that now and then disturbes this concert. But Edgar wanted it this way . Brecht also wanted us not getting too envolved, to stop and think: "Wait, this is only a performance!"
Kudos on the multiple cameras for a Varese piece !
This is by far the best, and only, version I have heard of this piece.
I can very easily understand this being the piece of music that started Frank Zappa's interest in composing.
@Uzair And now I feel old. But noticed! :)
@Uzair I'm almost 40. Try reading stuff you wrote in high school. That'll fry your skull for sure.
BRAVO! Awesome work, ladies and gentlemen!
Wonderful piece - what an ending!
Le documentaire passé récemment sur Arte m'a fait découvrir la personnalité hors-norme de Franck Zappa : Un gars à la fois lucide, libre et créatif. Rafraichissant par les temps qui courent...
C'est en quelque sorte sur ses "conseils" que je découvre ce morceau de Varèse (et c'est balèze).
En effet, Varèse, c'est du balèze ! :)
Gotta say. I'm gunna need a little more cowbell!
I wish I was an edgelord too
Personally, I'd rather listen to Varese being beaten with a cowbell for 7 mins and 27 seconds. Better him than me. Too bad Edgard didn't listen to his father and become an engineer.
@@charlesdavis7087 Cry about it
Studied Varèse at Juilliard back in the 70s.
let's not forget that this work is dedicated to Nicolas Slonimski, who gave it its 1st performance in 1933 at Carnegie Hall & first recording on Columbia in 1934 (& that Slonimski guested on keyboards with Zappa when he was 83!)
La meillleure version! Bravo!
Merci !
Nicely done. Well played, recording sounds great and nice videography.
totally awesome!
This isn't music. This is something else. Not sure what it is... but I'll listen to some more of Varese's efforts.
There is a natural music intertwined in the chaos. I guess it’s all in how you think about it.
Varese himself called it "organized sound".
So much percussion. Nice.
Frank Zappa documentary brought me here. Zappa mentions Varese as a strong influence on his young self. Easy to see that.
I had a chance to play this at UBC with the perc ensemble, such a gas to play! And hard as hell to keep your place.
nice performance this is too.
the point is not about Zappa etc bla bla.. the point is: "mr .Varese" wrote this in 1929...
1929, wow. The public must have thought Varese came from outer space!
@@jeffreydershin5763 the futurists had already made their mark by this point. The ballet Russe, Satie's ballets with Picasso, and the dadaists had already been around by the time this premiered. The interwar period was explosive and unstable for art music.
Je trouve votre phrase parfaite, au fil de la lecture des interventions ci-dessus publiées, son apparition m'a fait hurler de rire 🤣 (et ça fait beaucoup de bien... merci)
Drôle et poétiquement dit M. Lucas Brignole " etc bla bla .. Zappa Varese 1929 The point is… " 🤣🤣🤐 En accord avec vous, Même si j'adore aussi Frank Zappa....
@@paulphilemon2370 merci! rien contre M. Zappa bien sûr, mais souvent beaucoup de gens se perdent en regardant le doigt, quand le sage désigne la lune ;)
Okay, this is the tightest and most civilized performance of this work I've seen on TH-cam, capturing far more of the spirit and accurate notes than the Boulez.
Kudos to Ms. Mälkki. I'd love to work with you.
Merci la prof de musique
magnifique!
Great Work, perfect!!
AWESOME job! Bravo!
J'adore ce morceau emblématique de Varèse starter de la carrière musicale de Zappa.
Surprisingly catchy.
J'adore, tout simplement ! Rythme, scansion, pulsion et impulsion. Au commencement était l'action !
FACT
This ensemble absolutely NAILED this piece. They've played it at the exact tempo I like to hear it (not too languorous the way Boulez performs it - which is possibly more accurate - but not too fast like other recordings.)
Très bonne vidéo sur la ionisation de varese
Wonderful! This piece is both an auditory and a visual delight!😀😀😀
Perfectly done.
Delícia, ver os instrumentos em uma filmagem tão boa dá muito mais prazer do que só escutar, parabéns!
de onde voce é? no brasil raramente se escuta musica contemporanea. sempre param em stravinsky. o augusto de campos diz que estamos há 100 anos atrasado na musica!!!!!!
uma pergunta retórica em tempos de patrulha politicamente correta: seria machismo dizer que é sempre um prazer assistir música clássica contemporânea e mulheres bonitas numa mesma sala de concerto? ok, podem jogar as bombas... rsrs
I had recognised Edgard Varese as an influence on Frank Zappa. This made me interested in trying to find a piece of his work to listen to. After repeating the name many times, I gave up on Alexa.
Excellent recording!
Wonderful playing.
Frank Zappa makes so much more sense now. He had so many moments in his live shows and recordings that mimic this.
Zappa met Varese once as a teenager, and kept an autographed picture of him. He revered Varese.
Nice performance.
ps I also now know who has my Ludwig 'Coliseum' snare! Thanks for sharing!
I did my Master's recital on this stage.
AFTERWARDS I WAS WITH THE RATS IN THE CELLARS
still love it!!
When you're in band practice and you ask your drummer to play a four on the floor
this piece was so good in Hannibal
art works of rhythms, frequencies and intensities
Amazing music, awesome performance.
The Black Page, part 0 - the impossible version :)
if only there where more sirens and wind machines on The London Symphony Orchestra album! :(
where it all began
Completely agree!!
quels beaux rythmes. magnifique version.
"Threnody for Frank Zappa ".
"She dances in the wind "by Tony villodas composer
Magnifique
Awesome 👌
I can definitely see the big influence in Frank Zappa's music. FZ had good taste. :)
I heard an interview with Zappa in which he said (after first hearing Varese) "Boy, that sounds great. I'm going to have to write some of that."
Now listen to Zappa’s Black Page.
surpuissant !!!
An awesome performance👏👏👏👏👏
Does this have anything to do with war?
performance starts at 1:09
very interesting
Wow
BASED piece from Varèse.. primal and thrilling, with exquisite rhythms.
Based? Based on what
イオニゼーション大好きな曲です🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂
WOAAAAH😍😍
Lovely.
now i totally see how this inspired frank zappa.
Awesome.
Wonderful. I have only ever heard the original Varese recording (i have a 1970's vinyl re-release) and it is very powerful to see young musicians playing this piece so well.
Came here thanks to Frank Zappa. ;-) Very impressive.
The version with Pierre Boulez is not on TH-cam anymore?
Thank you. First time I heard anything like that. Music composed by space aliens.
Larger tempo, more accessible... great performance! Note perfect! Love the bull roarer!!
No, it does not get a whole lot better than this. From a pastoral, grass-fed world, to the mechanized world of plastics and other large man-made molecules-- or small ones, like NaZi Terror-- think of today's film compared with the Nastassja Kinski's nipple in Polanski's immortal film treatment of Hardy's "Tess of the d'Urbervilles". Machine guns vs cavalry + bravery. We were better off with grass-fed. Antibiotics were a plus (thank God for Fleming and the Scientific Method), but grass-fed even helped the sad urbanites, back then.
Great director!
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tres cool
I DID. MY MASTER RECITAL IN THE YARD OF MY BIRTHPLACE
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Reminds me of vangelis beubourge
Concrete Jungle Drums.
Damn, it sounds a lot like percussion pieces in Aliens.
More Cowbell!😁
Sounds like Bruford listened to this too. Can hear Zappa straight away, borrowed stuff.
No disrespect to Frank. If you needed a guitar player to swing/ rock and do stuff 4 finger payers like vs Aliens intent on eliminating us But they want a guitar battle. I’d say fuck them put Zappa in!
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Elle a fumé ma prof de musique ! C'est pas de la musique. Ca nuit gravement à la santé de mes oreilles !
Génial !!
who is this wonderful conductor ??
I was here 🙂
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This is exactly what inspired Frank Zappa! I have no idea why he was inspired by this? but that's alright he did some good stuff, and sometimes stuff like this? to me it's a mess, no beginning, no middle or no end? just a blurb of odd sounds, ah well, what do I know.